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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: from house Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, Charles W. Chuck Bryant's warming up,

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Speaker 1: getting ready to uh carry this jam out to its conclusion.

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Speaker 1: I was literally stretching. I know, it's as if you know, well,

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Speaker 1: I was telling everyone else, not you. Oh yeah, people

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Speaker 1: speaking to you. How is everybody great? Need to get

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Speaker 1: used to this. It's been a while, it has been,

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Speaker 1: but it feels good to be back in the saddle. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My saddle still smells like me gross. Yeah, it's pretty gross,

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Speaker 1: like leather and geez. Yeah, but I found it has

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Speaker 1: staying power. Um to you? Doing good? Yes, In the

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Speaker 1: We don't need talking about that though. It was great

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Speaker 1: fun California all the way way to go California, California.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that Board to Death's bands song? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Jason Schwartzman, Oh yeah, sure, Yeah, was it Coconut Records. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's had a couple of bands. I didn't recognize it

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Speaker 1: when you called it Board to Death. Well, it's his

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Speaker 1: new name. That's Board Death with the haircut. All right,

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Speaker 1: we should get going here, Chuck. Yes, did you know

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Speaker 1: that President Barack Obama is planning to take over virtually

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Speaker 1: the entire U S economy and infrastructure? Uh? No, I

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Speaker 1: did not know that. Yeah, well, or you Jim Powell

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Speaker 1: Kato Senior Fellow and author of the book FDRs Folly

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Speaker 1: Wilson's War, Bully Boy, The Triumph of Liberty. Well, those

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Speaker 1: you would have known this already because Jim Powell sent

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Speaker 1: I think that Barack Obama had created this plan a

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Speaker 1: if you're guys in the White House. But the moment

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Speaker 1: like this guy is falling and like Nazism is rising again,

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Speaker 1: and it's just bad, you know. But it is true.

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Speaker 1: Obama did issue this very sweeping proclamation. Now this isn't

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Speaker 1: just on a Tuesday. It's supposedly a preparedness plans called

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Speaker 1: That's a that's a quagmire. It is a quagmire. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then what else? Obama's basically on day one famously

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Speaker 1: of money into the facilities. They're adding a soccer or

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Speaker 1: I guess that part's good. I don't know that I

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Speaker 1: So Clinton just did it himself. He didn't officially declare war,

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Speaker 1: He committed ground troops through executive order to NATO, and

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Speaker 1: that he carried out through executive order. I noticed that stuff,

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Speaker 1: it's thinking and then he gave like this brilliant answer. Um,

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Speaker 1: those things as well. And his advisor was the one

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Speaker 1: what were the last minute ones called the midnight Midnight regulations.

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Speaker 1: That was the one that we talked about. I think,

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Speaker 1: corpus boy, we've been around the block at this point,

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Speaker 1: we've done some political stuff. So that's the executive orders.

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Speaker 1: Huh yeah, look for one coming to a piece of

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Speaker 1: like the first day executive orders, like traditionally now a

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Speaker 1: And here, here, and here three examples, you know, and

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Speaker 1: here's what I'll do right away. Yeah, I declare craft

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Speaker 1: cheese awesome. So that's it. If you want to learn

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Speaker 1: And I said, search bar is time for listener mail.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to do this, Chuck, I know, I just

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Speaker 1: said it's time for us for mail. It's actually time

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Speaker 1: for plug fests real quick, because it's gonna be like

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Speaker 1: have a horror fiction contest and and we're hoping our

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Speaker 1: Read that and then act accordingly. Yeah, really follow the

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Speaker 1: rules closely because we want you to if you've worked

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Speaker 1: hard for this to be you know able to win. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And and look for other mentions than like social media

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Speaker 1: go check it out and go write something. It'll be cool. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then also Comic Con right yet, we are going

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Speaker 1: and we're going as stuff you should know with Slash

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Speaker 1: Science Channel people exciting we're doing. We're we're crossover hybrid people,

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Speaker 1: that's right, like uh, the Toyota Prius exactly. We're the

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Speaker 1: pre I of the podcasting world. Yes, So Thursday, July twelve,

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Speaker 1: we will be podcasting live. Um. We don't have the

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Speaker 1: and Twitter and there will be special guests that will

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Speaker 1: be UH dancing, that will be singing. There will be

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Speaker 1: gnashing of teeth and wailing and perhaps even vomiting live

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Speaker 1: on stage. Yeah, by me, that's right at the very beginning, kids,

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Speaker 1: I won't be able to see straight. I'll be so nervous. Yes, cool, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that was quick plugfest. Not we're getting good at this

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Speaker 1: susy dude every time now, Okay, listener, ma'l Josh, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna call this UH from a from a pastor to us,

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Speaker 1: complimenting us, okay, not from the usual hate mailing. Hey,

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Speaker 1: guys and Jerry. I'm a United Methodist pastor and started

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Speaker 1: listening to the podcast a few years ago to pass

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Speaker 1: up seminary. Learning about things like uh cannibalism and delta

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Speaker 1: force really helped break up the constant stream of theology

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Speaker 1: and philosophy I was studying. I bet I really enjoyed

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Speaker 1: scientific explanations about biblical material. There are plenty of us

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Speaker 1: out there who love science and aren't afraid of it

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Speaker 1: debunking scripture. It actually excites me to hear those sorts

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Speaker 1: of explanations. You've probably been referred to a time or

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Speaker 1: two in these uh in the classes I teach in

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Speaker 1: some class a couple of heathens like us. Uh. Mainly,

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Speaker 1: I'm writing to thank you for a few things. First,

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Speaker 1: thanks for handling matters of faith with tact um. Whether

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Speaker 1: matter in a gracious way. See. I like this guy's use.

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Speaker 1: I like him a lot. I would argue that we're

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Speaker 1: not always gracious, but I appreciate the compliment. Um. Second,

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Speaker 1: I remember, back in the Brainwashing episode, Chuck said something

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Speaker 1: not to comment about my Baptist upbringing pastures and religious

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Speaker 1: people in general can be pushy. Chuck, You're passing comment

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Speaker 1: has been a constant reminder to me to not be

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Speaker 1: that guy. Um. And Third, you guys are the ones

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Speaker 1: Keep up good work, Jeff and Jeff dude, Pastor Jeff, Pastor, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I would go to your church. Yeah, thank you for

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Speaker 1: the email. That was awesome. Please keep in touch. We

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Speaker 1: want to know how your religious career goes. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: and if you think Chuck and I are awesome and

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Speaker 1: gracious and we take criticism well and we get things

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Speaker 1: generally right, say puppies, Yeah, um, and we do it

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Speaker 1: all without messing up our hair. What do you want

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Speaker 1: to hear from you? All right, Chuck? Yes, we want

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