1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time. 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: Time, Luck and load. The Michael Vary Show is on 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: the air. 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 3: Swing Sweet. 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 4: Comes, Sweete. 6 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 5: Comes. 7 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 4: Car. 8 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 6: Two days ago, my husband Charlie went to see the 9 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 6: face of his Savior, and he's gone. 10 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 5: Charlie always said. 11 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 7: That when he was gone, he he wanted to be 12 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 7: remembered for his courage and for his pains. Yeah, women, sweetman, 13 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 7: And one of the final conversations that he had on 14 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 7: this earth, my husband witnessed. 15 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 6: For his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Now and for 16 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 6: all eternity, he will stand at his Savior's side wearing 17 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 6: the glorious crown of a murder Sweet. 18 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 7: Yeah. 19 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 6: He was the perfect father, He was the perfect husband. 20 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 6: Charlie always believed that God's design for marriage and the 21 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 6: family was absolutely amazing. 22 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 8: And it is, it is, and it was the greatest 23 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 8: shoy of his life. 24 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 2: Before we grow, open the lines in just a moment, 25 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: think about what you're going to say. Before you do so, 26 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: assume you're on the line when I ask. 27 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: You to be. 28 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 2: If you're not, only you lose, but if you are, 29 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: you waste the time of a lot of people. Compose 30 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: what you're going to say in your mind and rehearse 31 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: it a few times. These are the days where talk 32 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: radio shines, where you get to hear the disparate voices 33 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: of the people you pass on the road, and you 34 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: always wondered it's going through their mind? How did they 35 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: get to where they are today? What shaped them and 36 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,839 Speaker 2: molded them and inspired them and scarred them to make 37 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: them the juror they are, the voter that they are, 38 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 2: the neighbor that they are, And get to your point 39 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: quickly if you find yourself saying, oh, this one's going 40 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: to take a while, let's take a while to take 41 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: it and not do it today. Seven one three nine 42 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: nine nine one thousand seven one three nine nine nine 43 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: one thousand. So when people say to me, I never 44 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: heard of Charlie Kirk, my response to that is, isn't 45 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: that wonderful? When they think I'm crazy. I have a 46 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: tendency to feel that every bit of good music out 47 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: there that has ever existed that I'm possibly going to like, 48 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: I've already heard. Therefore, I don't go seeking new music. 49 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: And when I do hear something that I haven't heard 50 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: before that I really enjoy, it is delightful because there 51 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: is still something left in the world to experience. Imagine 52 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: when you've done everything and there's no more mountain to climb. 53 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: So if you never heard of Charlie Kirk, you have 54 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 2: a whole body of work you get to go explore now. 55 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: But it also means, and this is important, if you 56 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 2: never heard of Charlie Kirk, who else haven't you heard of? 57 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: Who else haven't you heard of? Do you honestly think 58 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: you hadn't heard of Charlie Kirk before? And now you've 59 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: heard of him, and you're blown away by his ministry 60 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 2: and you think he's the only one because he was martyred. 61 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: When Rush passed, a number of people sent me emails 62 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: because they had listened to Rush, literally for decades, some 63 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 2: of them from really the national syndication day was August first, 64 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 2: eighty eight. There were folks that have been listening to 65 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 2: him since eighty nine or ninety and here it was 66 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: February seventeenth, twenty twenty one, thirty three years after national syndication. 67 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: In fact, I even heard from a few folks that 68 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: had listened to him in Sacramento when he will before 69 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 2: he was syndicated. But what one of the things that 70 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: bothered me that I would receive was this is it, 71 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: this is the end. No one will do what Rush 72 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: has done. And they mean that as a compliment, and 73 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: so I don't respond, but I just internalized, which can't 74 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: be healthy. It's like holding in a sneeze. I just 75 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: go know there will be another rush. There must be 76 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: another rush. It's important that there's another rush. It does 77 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: not dishonor rush that there be another rush. There needs 78 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 2: to be another rush. And so after Charlie's assassination, I 79 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 2: heard from people that basically this was the first and 80 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: last activist minister truth teller, and it was important that 81 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: we understand that. I understand that this was never going 82 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: to happen again. But it's just not true. There are 83 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: plenty of others. That does not diminish the contributions Charlie 84 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: Kirk made. It should excite you. Isaac Newton famously said, 85 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 2: if I have seen further, it is only by standing 86 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 2: on the shoulders of giants. Charlie Kirk wasn't plopped into 87 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: the public sphere on his own. He learned from others 88 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: and he took that and he carried the ball down 89 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: the field and now he pitches it off and others 90 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: will carry the torch as it should be. There are 91 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 2: a lot of good people doing good work out there. 92 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: The only thing they can't get is an audience to 93 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: pay attention. Because we like the validation of the fact 94 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: that that's the person we're told who's the best. So 95 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: if I just like them, then I'm in safe space. 96 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: There are preachers who are bringing messages to church every 97 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: Sunday that deserve to be amplified based purely on the 98 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: merit of their work. There are elected officials who, in 99 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: their own lane, we have a tendency to think that 100 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: one person should be the be all end all, and 101 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: everyone else pails in comparison to them. But that's not true. 102 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: That's not how you build an army. You don't just 103 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: need infantry or just artillery. You build a great sports team. 104 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: You can't have a whole team of a pitching staff. 105 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: Somebody's got to catch for them. And you don't build 106 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: an army to take back your country based purely on 107 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: the guy who speaks to young people on campuses, or 108 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: the guy who speaks to this group, or that we 109 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: need and want and should have all of them all 110 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: right to the phone long seven one three one thousand, 111 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: seven one thousand, even folks trying to live off the 112 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: glory of the Charlie Kirk moment feel the need this. 113 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: This is how intense the indoctrination is. They feel the 114 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: need to say, as you toss governor did Yeah, Charlie 115 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: Kirk said some What was the word he used? It 116 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 2: was an offensive word, provocative things, but suggesting that he 117 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: was out, you know, threatening to kill people sort of things. 118 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 2: He said some some something things. I can't remember the word. 119 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: I'll find it or maybe somebody I'll find it and 120 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 2: send it to me. This was the governor of Utah 121 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: who has managed to jump to the front of the 122 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: stage like Sheila Jackson. 123 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 9: Lee throughout the process. Oh Charlie, I love you, Charlie. Charlie, Charlie. 124 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 9: This is the example of what not to do. We 125 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 9: love Charlie, Charlie is great. We love Charlie, Charlie. Charlie, Charlie. 126 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: Do a simple search of the comments Charlie Kirk made 127 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: about the woke governor of Utah. Now, I know we're 128 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: not supposed to say this, because I've heard a number 129 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: of the gatekeepers from the National Review crowd say all 130 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 2: the right wing is still not skipping an opportunity to 131 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: criticize the governor of Utah. He has been so strong 132 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 2: this week. Sure he has, he's been great, but that 133 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: does not undo and a moment of it slipped out. 134 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: A moment of it slipped out when he said, yeah, 135 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 2: Charlie has said some strange or crazy I can't remember 136 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: the word. I found it very offensive the way he 137 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: described that. It was setting up what was supposed to 138 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: be a compliment, but that's not what it did. It 139 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: was first burnishing his credentials with the Mitt Romney Bush 140 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: wing of the Republican Party. What he was saying was, look, 141 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: I'm not getting in bed with the Trump folks. I'm 142 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: just saying, you can't assassinate someone, so let me do 143 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: it this way. 144 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 9: I realize this guy's a kook, RaSE, he's nuts roze, 145 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 9: he's out there and he's inflammatory, and he's setting in 146 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 9: the world on fire. 147 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: But we need to be civilized and you shouldn't kill him. Okay, 148 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: how'd I do? 149 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: How do I do? 150 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 5: Guys? How'd I do? 151 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: And that's what he did, to which I respond, what 152 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 2: of what he said was so bad? When you have 153 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: been brainwashed to such an extent you fear your own 154 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: thoughts such that you don't give voice to them. So 155 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: you teach yourself to not even think thoughts that it 156 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: would affect upset the other side. You teach yourself not 157 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: to speak ill and not to speak positive of someone 158 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: who has been vilified. What I say, Oh, inflammatory, yes, inflammatory? 159 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: What's so inflammatory about them? Most of what Charlie Kirk 160 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: talked about, it's very upsetting to the left. I spent 161 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 2: a lot of time digging into this. The thing that 162 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: he said to upset people the most was talking about 163 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: being the person God made you to be, being who 164 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: you were born. You weren't indoctrinated in that, you weren't 165 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 2: coached or coaxed into being what God made you. Those 166 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 2: are your chromosomes. There was no doubt about that. And 167 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 2: to simply say, hey, you don't have to hate yourself, 168 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: you don't have to undertake these very painful, irreversible surgical procedures. 169 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 2: Love yourself for who you are, imperfect in every way, 170 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: who you are. Self love was supposed to be the 171 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 2: mantra of the left. Self indulgence, self acceptance. That's the eat, pray, 172 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 2: love woman, that's her mantra. I'm a middle aged woman 173 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: that doesn't enjoy sleeping with the man I'm next to 174 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: because he got fat and bald, and he's not glamorous, 175 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 2: and we're not jet sitting around the world. So I'll 176 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: leave him, and I'll drink what i want, and I'll 177 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 2: smoke what I want, and i'll take what drugs I want, 178 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 2: and I'll sleep with however many people I want to 179 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 2: whenever I want to. The hedonistic self love the self 180 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: god of narcissists. Charlie was simply saying, you're a child 181 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: of God. I love you for who you are, and 182 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: so should you and for that. So what's inflammatory about that? 183 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: Guarantee you? The governor didn't know what is inflammatory. Stephen King, 184 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: the author wrote when a tribute was paid to Charlie Kirk, 185 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: he said he literally encouraged stoning the gaze, to which 186 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 2: reaction was show that to me, everything he said was videoed. 187 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: He was brilliant in that way. He wasn't going to 188 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: create content twice. If he was in public, they were 189 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: filming it, they were putting it out there. He generated 190 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: more content in his few years than anybody because of that, 191 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: because he was smart. Why replicate it? Give your army 192 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: all they need here it is. Here's me speaking here, 193 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: here's me speaking here. Here's me meeting the people before 194 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: during after shaking hands, doing autograph signings. Here's me backstage 195 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: before I go. It was brilliant, absolutely brilliant. It's like 196 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: a one. 197 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 5: Male reality TV show. 198 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: So you can't say he said something unless you can 199 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: point to it, because if he said it such that 200 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: you would have heard it, it's in print or it's 201 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: on video, and it's not there because he didn't say it. 202 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: In fact, he said the opposite of that. The grapers 203 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: hated him because he didn't hate the homos and he 204 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: didn't hate the trainees. He said, I love you, I 205 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: love you for who you are. I think that this 206 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: act is sinful, but I love you for who you are, 207 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: and I want you to love you for who you 208 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: are because that's what my Bible teaches me. So to 209 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: say that he was for stoning the gays. Stephen King 210 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: comes back later. He apologizes, said he was wrong within 211 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: an hour. He's back to it. Not because he heard 212 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk say stone the Gaze. Who says stone the 213 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: Gaze in twenty twenty five, by the way, but not 214 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: that he ever, who even speaks ill of the gays. Honestly, 215 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: who even calls for violence against gays today? No kidding, 216 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: nobody does. So you're already making a fool of yourself 217 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 2: by saying that. It is almost as if you so 218 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: desperately want that to be the case. The appetite for 219 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: hate is far greater than the supply of it, and 220 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: so they make up for it out of whole call. 221 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: All right, to your calls we go, coming up, from 222 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: levicians to librarians. Everyone listens to Michael Verry show. 223 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 7: I'm must. 224 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: Rush. Limbaugh, even in death, was described as right wing 225 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: talk show host. Same with me, Hannity Levin back. 226 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. 227 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: We're all right wing talk show hosts. We're not just 228 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: talk show hosts. It's important you understand, here's the lane 229 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 2: of talk show hosts. We're over in the ditch. We're 230 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 2: the ones that pervert it. We're not allowed to be 231 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: discussed as talk show hosts. We're the weirdos. Well, that's odd, 232 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 2: because when you talk about left wing talk show hosts, 233 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 2: nobody calls them that they're just talk show hosts. That's 234 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: true of politicians, media influencers, talkers. It doesn't matter. They've 235 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: won the brain game. It is an act of defiance 236 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: to say something nice about Charlie Kirk. That's how powerful 237 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 2: they are. Their greatest power is in convincing you. They're 238 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: not wielding it. They are steering everything at all times. 239 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 2: As a minority, it was such incredible seething hatred for 240 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: Saddam Hussein because he represented a very small portion of 241 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 2: the population. But they had the levers of power and 242 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: they kept that power. The Saudi royal family does the same, 243 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 2: and that happens in this country as well. The governor 244 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: saying that Charlie Kirk says inflammatory things, but he didn't 245 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 2: deserve to be assassinated, and that too a week when 246 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: he has tried every way possible to associate himself inextricably 247 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: with Charlie Kirk. The amazing, the amazing, how that works. Tom, 248 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: you're on the Michael Berry Show. 249 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 5: Go ahead, Tom, mister Barry, I appreciate you taking a call. 250 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 5: Thank you. Simply enough. Two thousand years ago a man 251 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 5: was persecuted for telling the truth, and here we are 252 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 5: on Sunday. Our pastor compared the deception all the way 253 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 5: back to the Garden of Eden and realized that Satan 254 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 5: has been blaming everybody else for the problem, except Satan himself. 255 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 5: When Adam was in the garden, he said, the woman 256 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 5: gave me the fruit, and the woman said, well, the 257 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 5: serpent told me to take it. It was okay. Everybody deflected, 258 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 5: everybody blamed somebody else, and here we are. Nothing's changed. 259 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 5: We as Christians just need to be steadfast and stand 260 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 5: our ground and continue to be steadfast. 261 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: Steadfast such a good word because it suggests something more 262 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: than a shirt short and frenzied outburst of emotion. It 263 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: suggests that it is continuous. We I think we're very 264 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: good at being angry, and it's self indulgent. We're very 265 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: good at being angry because we can have this extreme 266 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 2: anger and in a week it's forgotten. So I've received 267 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: a lot of messages from people and I'm not angry enough. 268 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: I'm like expressing that anger, to which I respond, in 269 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: two weeks, I'll still be at this, and you'll be 270 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: over on sports radio, or you'll be doing your fantasy league, 271 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: or you'll have moved on. At Las Stevenson Bad Politics 272 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: Great Wordsmith famously said patriotism is not short, frenzied outbursts 273 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 2: of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime. 274 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: Patriotism is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the 275 00:21:50,480 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 2: tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime. Yes, I am 276 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 2: happy to see people being fired for celebrating the assassination 277 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: of a fellow American. Yes, i am happy to see 278 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 2: their teeth gnashing. I'm happy to see their frustration and 279 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: anger and sense of betrayal. I'm happy to see them 280 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: marginalized from polite society, because polite society doesn't have a 281 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: face to it. It's the large and madding crowd, each 282 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 2: one of whom makes up that people don't recognize. When 283 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 2: the New York Yankees were the first to put Charlie 284 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: Kirk's picture on their jumbo dron, the rest of the 285 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: league gasped, we can't do that, can we? And whether 286 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 2: they Cooter couldn't do that wasn't going to be determined 287 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: in the owner's meetings during the off season. It wasn't 288 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: going to be determined by the billionaire owners. It was 289 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: going to be determined by the guys shopping behind you 290 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 2: in HB and the person in front of you at 291 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 2: the gas pump and you. And what the New York Yankees, 292 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: in a step of great strength, showed is that if 293 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: we do what we believe in, others will follow. If 294 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: we show the people what they want, they'll follow. If 295 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 2: we wait on the people to show us, they may 296 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: never lead. What's happened since then, Oh, they can't get 297 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: in on it fast enough. Cede Lamb called for the 298 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 2: cowboys to do it. They delayed another day, and then 299 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 2: finally they said they would. Stores are making the most 300 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: of this. Politicians are now speaking out, but the internet 301 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: is forever. Are you the guy that called to silence 302 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 2: Charlie kirk or called him the worst of our instincts? 303 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 2: How long ago was that? Sixty days? You think we 304 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: don't remember. What you're seeing is that it's okay to 305 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 2: speak out when you make it okay to speak out. 306 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 2: But when you run out, fire off a few rounds, 307 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 2: and are run back and hide in your bunker, you 308 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: don't own the neutral ground. You've got to take it, 309 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 2: hold it, claim it, and defend it all day, every day. 310 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 2: And that's not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion. 311 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: That is continuous and constantly. 312 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: With his finger on the pulse, king up team continues 313 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: on the Michael Berry Show. 314 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 4: The Good Time. 315 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: David, You're on the Michael Berry Show. Go ahead, sir, David, David, 316 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: you may have your hand on the mute button. Could 317 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 2: be choked up, could be choked, could be choked with no. 318 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 2: Guy Lewis here too, with three strikes. Think to yourself, 319 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: what if Guy Lewis had taken two swings at that 320 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: and then decided, you know what, I'm gonna take a 321 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 2: couple of pitches. What if he hadn't reared back and said, 322 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 2: I'm swinging for the fences on this one. David, would 323 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 2: you like to contribute? The problem is his name is 324 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 2: not David. You've written his name as David, but his 325 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 2: name is Fabian or some other long huh oh, here 326 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 2: we go. 327 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 7: Hi. 328 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: No, it's a different David. 329 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 3: Hello, I'm David. 330 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: Are you the same David that was just it? I'm David. 331 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 3: I'm the David that's got the miracle. I'm the guy 332 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 3: that's got the miracle. They put on hold and then 333 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 3: sent me off to some place. It was a hair 334 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 3: salon or something. No it was no, it was a 335 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 3: pet place that I swear to God, I'm David and 336 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 3: I have a miracle and you can hold it in 337 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 3: your hand, you can see it. I swear to God 338 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 3: to you it's the truth. Michael Berry, please listen to me. 339 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. You're already three quarters on 340 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 2: my mind. 341 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 3: I'm the guy. 342 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, I'm it. 343 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: I'm I got it. You won't believe it, sir, Michael, 344 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 3: I am David. 345 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: Put him a home. 346 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 5: Down. 347 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: Down. If somebody says I swear to God to make 348 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: their point, I already don't believe them. If somebody says 349 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: I'm not lying, you can ask so and so. I'm 350 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: not asking so and so, and I'm not believing you. 351 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 2: Calm down, speak quen spoken to, don't talk over me, 352 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: and don't sound like a spaz. You've called before, and 353 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 2: Ramon already put bat blank crazy on there. So I'm 354 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 2: at the edge already. Okay, So just know you're on 355 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 2: double secret probation. You're that close to being block forever. 356 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: So with that in mind, use your inside voice. Slow down. 357 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: This miracle that you're trying to hype yourself up about, 358 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: and hope I come along for the ride needs to 359 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: slow its roll. Now you got one shot. 360 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 3: Go ahead, David, look, and all I wanted to do 361 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 3: was send you pictures of it. And I didn't want 362 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 3: to sound like a freak or anything. 363 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 2: Oh you did that, David. I have an email address 364 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: that I on the air fifteen times a day. If 365 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 2: you wanted to send me pictures or something, why didn't 366 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: you send them? 367 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: Because all this stuff went down with Glenn Beck and 368 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 3: this stone I have held a long time ago. 369 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 2: That's why you didn't send it. No, no, David Holand 370 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 2: no no. Most people just tune you out as crazy. 371 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 2: I'm going to do you the favor or disfavor of 372 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 2: playing along. You told me I wanted to send you 373 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 2: photos of it, and I said why didn't you? You 374 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: have my email address, and you started telling me about 375 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 2: Glenn back. So you said you wanted to send me 376 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: photos of it. Why didn't you, sir? 377 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 3: I met Glenn Beck. I send your name, Michael Barry because. 378 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: Oh, hold on, hold on, I got remote, give him 379 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: Glenn's number. You know what, you should call Glenn. That 380 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: would be great. Call Glenn and share this with him. 381 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: That's I'm sure Glenn would love your miracle rock. It 382 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: sounds like a wonderful idea. Let's go to Bertha. Bertha, 383 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: you're on the Michael Berry Show. 384 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 10: Go ahead, Good morning, Michael. I am sorry for everybody's 385 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 10: laws losing mister Kirk. It's hit us all hard. And 386 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 10: you mentioned Anderson Cooper before. I've seen his picture. Don't 387 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 10: know who he is, don't listen to him or anybody 388 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 10: else like him. But I tried to read the Bible 389 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 10: every night and with other books related to the Bible, 390 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 10: and it seems like we're gonna have another archangel I've 391 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 10: been having right now looking down and helping all of us. 392 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 10: And the same day mister Kirk was killed, I was 393 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 10: reading my Bible that night and I came across Chapter 394 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 10: nine and Ezekiel, and they talked about God sending an 395 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 10: angel to put a mark on the forehead of all 396 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 10: the believers. Only people to see these marks will be 397 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 10: other believers. No one else will be able to see that. 398 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 10: And they're I'm trying to piece together old and New 399 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 10: Testaments because they do fit together to make one big picture. 400 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 10: Israel comes into this picture too, with what's happening in Israel. 401 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 10: All these things are connected. And now we see that 402 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 10: things that are being connected this way. There's want to 403 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 10: be a few just a remnant of the israel people 404 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 10: left before the end times come, and Israeli people, the 405 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 10: Jews will be I guess they will have the mark 406 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 10: on them. At the bottom of the Bible. In my Bible, 407 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 10: there's a small caption that says what this mark sort 408 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 10: of looks like, not quite it's supposed to be. I'm 409 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 10: not going to say what it is because I want 410 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 10: people to go in there read the whole chapter of Ezekiel. 411 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 10: If they have the little captionings in their Bible as 412 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 10: mind as it says what the mark probably will look like, 413 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 10: they as close as they could come to identifying it. 414 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 10: That mark is in there, and I just want people 415 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 10: to go into that Bible and start reading the whole Bible, 416 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 10: because it all pulls together with the times. 417 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 2: Bertha, I don't know how many times you've spoken in public. 418 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: I don't know how many times you've spoken on a 419 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: talk show, but I get a sneaking suspicion that it 420 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 2: is not very often. And I am grateful that you 421 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 2: feel comfortable calling to share your testimony, your deep thoughts, 422 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: your vision. That's not easy to do. It's not easy 423 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 2: to state something so deeply held in public. Good on you. 424 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 2: Good on you, Richard Jore on Michael Berry. 425 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: Show, Heyzur Yeah, one thing about Charlie, I want to 426 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: speak a little good but Charlie is he did there's 427 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: a doctor and that's called it security. 428 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 5: He had internal security. 429 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: He knew for sure that if he was killed, he 430 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: would be in the presence of God and that's where 431 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: the real blessings come. And on that subject, I wanted 432 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: to maybe, uh, you know, tell. You'll hear people say, 433 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: especially if they go to megachurches no offense, but well offense. 434 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: Maybe they're told that if you come, if you accept Jesus, 435 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: if you trust in Jesus, he'll solve all your problems. 436 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: That's a false, that's false. He'll solve your eternal problem, 437 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: which would be if you don't trust him and your 438 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: attorney is very bad, you mean lake a fire. So 439 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: I think the problem with a lot of people is 440 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: they think that coming to Jesus will solve all the problems. 441 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: They're temporal in this lot of problems, and that's just 442 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: not true. Unfortunately, it's not a popular message, but it's 443 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: biblical messages. He he stores up your blessings where in 444 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: heaven in this world you will have persecution, and you 445 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: will be hated because you love me. That's the message, 446 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: and it's not Papa Lung, but it's a true message. 447 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: Great radio voice, Richard and great point. Good Sir. You know, 448 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: it's a lot like physical health, spiritual health. It's a 449 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 2: lot like physical health. Things that hurt the most, the 450 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 2: things that burn the most, The things that will be 451 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: most rewarding are the things that are hardest to do 452 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: and hurt the most. That's what the health and wellness 453 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: I mean, the Peace and Prosperity doctorate is. That's the people. 454 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: We won the game because God was on our side. 455 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 2: You've never read the Bible and you don't understand the 456 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: Christian faith. 457 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 5: That's not my success.