1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: I always unplugged, is forgotten seasons? 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back today. We have a I guess 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: we could call him like a colleague, not quite a coworker, 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: but cousin. 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 3: I like that cousin. 6 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: And I think we got a Me and El Hassen today. Man, 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 2: how's it going? 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: Man, it's going great, And I'm glad to do this. 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: You know, I've you know, watched you guys for a 10 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: while and I enjoy the stories you guys get out 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: of this podcast, So the opportunity to be a part 12 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: of it is not lost on me. And especially Saturday night, 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: I was at Suns versus Rockets, and that's when they 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: retired to March stout of my jersey, and so everybody 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: who's kind of that seven Seconds or less team was there. 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: Steve Nash was there, and Leando Barbosa and Gordon Dragas 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: and Sean Marion and there was just a lot of 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: memories coming back. So it's cool to be able to 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: do this show right after that. 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 3: Man, we appreciate you coming on to Man. I know 21 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: you got a you know, a special insight. I'm been 22 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: a fan of yours, you know what I mean for 23 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: a while now, So we appreciate you coming on and 24 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: this you enjoy. These stories means a lot to us 25 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: because we know your official tissue with yours as well. 26 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: Man, I'm gonna tell y'all right now, Like I said, 27 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, the career I have 28 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: now is because I got to spend a lot of 29 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: years with some of the greatest ever, you know, Like 30 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: I said, Steve Nash, Sean Marry, the Maiers, Odamar, Mike 31 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: D'Antoni as a coach, Alvin Gentry, Steve Kerr was my GM, 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: David Griffin was my assistant GM. Mark West was my VP. 33 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: So I got to be around people who have all 34 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: been involved in the game at a high level, both 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: playing and then afterwards, and I got to learn from him, 36 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,279 Speaker 1: Like you know, I here's a great example. I'm Jylan 37 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: used to me, I'm what six feet on a good day. 38 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: I've never I've never already know post player in the 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: league in my life, not for real, right, but I 40 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: worked with Mark West, and Mark West guarded Hakeem Olaijah Marcus. 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: Telling me about this is what made it hard to god. 42 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: Everyone thought it was hard to guard Akimoloja because he 43 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: was quick and yes, that was a big part of it, 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: he said. The thing that no one recognizes. He was 45 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: strong as ship. So he said, well, the first thing 46 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: you do when he capt when you catch he land 47 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: on both beat at the same time. 48 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: You don't know what. 49 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: Pavots right. And then he says that first dribble when 50 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: he goes in, he's trying to hit you. When you 51 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: go that way, damn well, it's not even you go 52 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: that way, you get hitting the chest. And now even 53 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 1: if you know he's just doing it to go back 54 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 1: to the other way, you almost paralyzed because he hits 55 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: you so hard. By the time you're able to react, 56 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: now he's coming back this way, you're going out with 57 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: So he said, the guys that gave him the biggest 58 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: problems were like, what's my man? Not not soccolitists, but 59 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: cats like that in them big Oh Joe Klein there 60 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: you go, Joe in there, because Joe Klin was strong 61 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: as shit, so it's like when he hit him, Joe 62 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: wasn't like okay. And then Joe Klin was slow. So 63 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: Haki would go into three different counters. By the time 64 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: he come back this way, Jill still here from the 65 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: first one. So He's like, those are the guys a 66 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: getting problems. But like that's an example of like now 67 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm seeing it and I'm seeing other great post players, 68 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: and it's clicking in my head in a way that 69 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: not just watching it, but watching it with the knowledge 70 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: that Mark West, who played seventeen years, is telling you, 71 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: with the knowledge that Steve Currole played seventeen years, and 72 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: he's talking about, you know, coming off of the screens. 73 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: Dan Marley was one of our assistant coaches, and Dan 74 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: talking about defensively kind of the things that he was 75 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: looking to do. So you get to pick people's brain 76 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: when you're in that or you know, in that situation. 77 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: I was lucky to have people who have been around 78 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: a long time to pick their brain, and that in 79 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: turn made me better for this job being media, which 80 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: is I never wanted to do this, but it started 81 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: happening and just all those stories now become my stories 82 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: in a weird way. 83 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: Fac So I think it's important to tell everybody, like 84 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: how this happened. Yes, we're cousins now, and there's a 85 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: lot of conversation of how can we get this show 86 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 2: and this person to this show, which is all great, 87 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: but this happened organically. We did the Matt Barnes episode 88 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: last week, and I take it on myself, it's skipped 89 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: my mind. I knew that you were with the Suns, 90 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: but you hit me after and said, Yo, I think 91 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: we were gonna call this somewhat of an emergency pod. 92 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: You were there for that year, you were there for 93 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: five or six seasons with Phoenix, and before that, you 94 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: spent a year with Isaiah Thomas's Knicks teams and Jesus 95 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 2: christ Man, what an introduction to NBA teams going from 96 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: the New York Knicks in two thousand and five, everything 97 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: that was going on there, and then you go to 98 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 2: the Suns, which I think we have a decent understanding 99 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: of like what was going on, But I saw you 100 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: say not too long ago, like some people with the 101 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: Suns were actually upset that more wasn't revealed with all 102 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 2: this everything. So I just wanted to give a preface 103 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: of of of why this is happening and then just 104 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: pitch it to you like when you saw that we 105 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: did that season, like why why did you want to 106 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: now come on and tell your side of the story. 107 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, that the season in New York 108 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: was incredibly educational. 109 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: As well educational. 110 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna be like so, first of all, Isaiah 111 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: Thomas is like my OG. He's always looked out for me. 112 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: He didn't have to do that, like I was just 113 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: an intern around the office or whatever. But every time 114 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: he saw me after that, even as I was still 115 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: kind of starting out in Phoenix and moving up, he 116 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: was always always come up, always say what up, always 117 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: asks me how everything's doing. And then when I got 118 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: into media, he always checks up on me. When I 119 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: was going through some some personal issues. This is maybe 120 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: like five six years ago. It's it's crazy. I was 121 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 1: going to some really crazy personal stuff that nobody knew about. Uh, 122 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm going to work and I'm doing everything. 123 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: I see Isaiah at the finals, and Isaiah like pust 124 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: me aside and say what's going on? And I said, 125 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: what's up? 126 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 3: Man? 127 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: Like, you know you're just excited for no, no, no, no, 128 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: something's going on with you. I said, I don't know 129 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: what you talk about. It's like you're full of shit. 130 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: Something's going on with you. I know. And I didn't 131 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,119 Speaker 1: tell him, but it in my mind, I'm like this, dude, 132 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, this is a guy that you know, drafted 133 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: David Lee with a thirtieth pick, drafted Wilson Chandler when 134 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: no one really thought Wilson Chandler was an NBA prospect. 135 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: Tam Mac when nobody really thought tm Mac was going 136 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: to be an elite prospect, like that was just a 137 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: skinny kid from high school. Trevor Ariza in the second round, 138 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: another UCLA guy talking about everyone told. 139 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: Trevor what was that? He what do you call ticket? 140 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 3: He went first? He wanted to have the ticket because 141 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 3: he had a special position. I think he called it 142 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: Raptor five. The raptor five a center who can be 143 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: a ballhander initiate the offense. So you know, Isaiah Thomas 144 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: been thinking out of the box and connecting dots for 145 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: a long time now. 146 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,119 Speaker 1: And on top of that, just the ability to see 147 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: something like literally he's watching me on TV and he 148 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: said there's something wrong with him, Like for him to 149 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: pick up on that, that's that's that's that's something that's 150 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: not learned skill, that's something that you got to be 151 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: almost born with. So I always give props Isaiah. I 152 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: know four if I was a crazy ass year, trust me, 153 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,559 Speaker 1: I know. But also I show respect because he's always 154 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: looked out for me in that way. And then other things. 155 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: There was my introduction to really understanding salary cap and 156 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: all that stuff was from the VP of the Knicks, 157 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: a guy named Frank Murphy was retired now, but Frank 158 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: was the first callery cap guy in the NBA. He 159 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: was the first dude who was like finding loopholes and 160 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: contracts and things like that. And so he taught me 161 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: a lot of the like the behind the scenes stuff 162 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: of why things happened on a business level in the NBA, 163 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: like why why why is this team not tanking? Why? 164 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: Why are why they signed this guy versus that guy? 165 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: And so I learned a lot in New York. I 166 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: also learned that losing sucks, So that was tough. But 167 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: it's funny because that wasn't my first NBA job. My 168 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: first NBA job was in Atlanta, and I learned stuff there. 169 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: I learned, you know, Rick Mahorne was my OG there, 170 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: Jimmy Jackson and Jason Terry, like those three guys, those 171 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: are the first three NBA guys that I knew who 172 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: you know, kind of rock with me or whatever, and 173 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: same thing with all of them every time. I saw them. 174 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: They always showed love way before the media stuff. So 175 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: that's kind of that's kind of what I walked in 176 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: the Phoenix, which was, you know, Atlanta, we were a 177 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: bad team. New York, we were a bad team. Walked 178 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: in the Phoenix and it was like this, the team 179 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: is gonna win a championship. 180 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: Was it six seven your first year or five to six? 181 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: So my first year was five to six, but nobody 182 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: knows it because I wasn't. I was like as periphery 183 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: as periphery can get. But then six oh seven, six 184 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: or seven, that was my I was there like one 185 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: hundred hours a week, even though it was technically an 186 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: intern and going to get my master's lead. I was 187 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: there every day. I was in the video room, I 188 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: was with the scouts, I was with the coaches. And 189 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: so that first year six oh seven, we won sixty 190 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: one games. We had a fifteen game winning streak, and 191 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: then we had a seventeen game winning streak in the 192 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: same season. Amari had just come back from his micro fracture, 193 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: was all NBA first Team. That's the first time still 194 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: Dunk Duncan and then came back with a whole new 195 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: package of floaters and jumpers and it was killing right. 196 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: Steve was either second or you know, he was third 197 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: in m VP voting, and obviously All NBA Leando Barbosa 198 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: was six Man of the Year, and then I was 199 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: Sean Marion, Boris dil Roja Bell, Roger Bell was All 200 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: NBA All Defensive Team. 201 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: So like Kobe closed line Kobe, that was the year 202 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: after he. 203 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: Closed line Kobe, he closed lines KOBEH five oh six 204 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: and then six oh seven. That's where like now he's 205 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: being recognized as being like, Okay, this guy's a premier 206 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: defensive player in the league. And so all of this 207 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: is happening, and we're like, oh, we about to do this, 208 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, how great is it my first year, 209 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: We're about to win a championship. And so the first 210 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: round series, I can't you remember we played that, but 211 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: we whooped the hell out of him. Second round we 212 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: played the Spurs, and it's this is our that's our 213 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: big obstacle, that's the one that we can't that mountain 214 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: that we couldn't climb, right, and so but we finally 215 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: felt like this was the year that we were deep 216 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: enough and experienced because they had lost to the Spurs 217 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: a couple of times before, so now it's like, okay, 218 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: we got these guys. So Game one is the game 219 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: where Steve's nose is cut, so he has to keep 220 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: coming out to get you know, because of where it is, 221 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: so they have to just keep dressing it. And the 222 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: refs were kind of like, now I can say this. 223 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: The rest are kind of helping us out because they 224 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: would like wait until the last like okay, now he's 225 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: dripping and you got to get out of here. You 226 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: go clean it up and we come back or whatever. 227 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: But Spurs basically steal that game because Steve's nose is 228 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: all messed up. We come back, we win game two, 229 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: they win game three, and then we win game four 230 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: and we win it kind of handily, I might add. 231 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: And that's the Robert or hip check. And so Robert 232 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: Rory hip check Steve Nash into the scores table. Just 233 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: a frustration play dirty play. I know Rob now he's 234 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: a good dude, but that was a bird of dirty play, 235 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: right Amarus stodam Iron Boris d r on the bench. 236 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: They run over to help Steve up, They get suspended. 237 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: They can't even touch anybody. 238 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: That was the rule can lead the bench dog man. 239 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 3: They got scouts. They got scouts. As soon as the 240 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: funk jumps out, they got somebody directly on the bench. 241 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 3: They got video, they start putting the camera on. They 242 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: start putting the camera directly on the bench specifically for that. 243 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: So that was the rule, the the the practice that 244 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: NB all they made teams do now, which is as 245 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: soon as anything happens, all the assistants jump up and 246 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: they do this. That's because of what happened to us, 247 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: Like before that, a couple you know obviously what you know, 248 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: Tim senr. They went through it against New York and 249 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: that was in ninety. It happened a couple of times, 250 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: but we were the one. They're like, everyone said, hey, 251 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: this is you gotta have a protocol for when a 252 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: fight happens. Here's a funny story. So we're saying to 253 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: the league, hey, those guys didn't get off to start shit. 254 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: They got off as peacemakers. They were gonna go check 255 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: out their teammates, and they ran up the sideline because 256 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: it was a scours. Commissioner Stern said, well, I'm sorry. 257 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: The law is the law, Like basically, there's no spirit 258 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: of the law here, and I said, but you the 259 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: one that wrote the law, bro, like, you can interpret 260 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: anyway you want. It's not like God came down with 261 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: the Ten Commandments and told you it's got to be 262 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: this way. So we watched the film and there was 263 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: a play in the first half where Francisco Elson closeline 264 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: James Jones, dirty foul, hard foul. Right, James falls down 265 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: on the ground. It's such a hard foul that on 266 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: the bench for the Spurs. Tim Duncan and Bruce Bowen 267 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: both step onto the floor. Oh shit, what's going's going on? 268 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: And then James, because James is a cool dude, gets 269 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: up and doesn't shakes it off, doesn't do anything, walks 270 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: to the free throw line. So there was no harm, no, 271 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: just a regular foul caol. And so we sent in 272 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: the tape. We said, Yo, these guys came on the 273 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: floor after left after like a dust up. They said, well, 274 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: that wasn't a fight, that was just a foul. So 275 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: my thing was, so James should have hit him after 276 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: he got clothes line. So if he had punched him, 277 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: then they would be suspended. But because James is a 278 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: professional and did the right thing, we in the wrong. 279 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 3: But then you would have lost James too if he 280 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 3: got to go to blows. They got to suspend him 281 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 3: too if he if he let one go. 282 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: Look, if you're telling me I lose James Jones, Amaras Stodamar, 283 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm already losing, Amari. And if you tell me I 284 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: gotta lose James Jones, but in return they losed him Duncan, 285 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: we'll take that deal. We'll take that there, because that 286 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: changes a lot. Now. Now now we're going against Obera 287 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: Toe and Elson or like, that's a lot. That's a 288 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: huge difference now. 289 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: So so that's seven. You brought us down, and then eight. 290 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: The next year Kerr comes in, you make the Shack trade. 291 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: So what transpires after seven into eight? 292 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: So when we lose that Spurs series, and that was 293 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: tough because we knew that was the NBA Finals, Utah 294 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: was the conference finals. They won't you know, Carlos Buzer 295 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: and Darren Win was no disrespect, but they were young 296 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: guys and that was their only kind of hurrah as 297 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: far as being that good. So the Spurs did them, 298 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: we would have done them the same way. And then 299 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: the finals that was Lebron with the cast team where 300 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: it just it was clear this isn't an NBA championship 301 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: caliber team, even though Lebron was amazing. So it was 302 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: kind of like, oh shit, man, like that was our chance. 303 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: So we come back the next year and it starts, 304 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: and now because the pressure is heightened, Mike Dad twenty 305 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: first got there, and I wasn't there when he first 306 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: got there. But when he first got there, it's like, yo, 307 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: the team wasn't good, and he said, you know, let's 308 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: play the style that I mastered in Europe as a 309 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: coach over there, spread floor five out nobody in the paint, 310 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: and shoot more threes. And so three oh four, no 311 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: one remembers, but like they started in three oh four 312 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: when Mike took over and it was all right. And 313 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: then four to oh five they signed Steve, they signed 314 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: q Rich and every want to say Stephen Hunter, and 315 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: they won sixty two games and it was the best 316 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: team in the league. And we're blowing teams out and everything, 317 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: but it's still kind of we're the young team, right, 318 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: And so they go to the conference finals and Joe 319 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: Johnson has the broken face and the Spurs were just look, 320 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: those Spurs were better than US No. Five for sure, 321 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: and they win a Championship. Obviously six Amari's out with 322 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: a micro fracture and Joe Johnson has left. 323 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: Now Clippers at you in the first round, right yeah. 324 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: Shout out to Daniel Ewing that you He hadn't played 325 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: a second in the game, and Mike Dunley his bright 326 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: ideas like I'm gonna put him in the game. And 327 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: as soon as we saw him on the court, Roger said, 328 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: just get just find me. He's on me, just find me. 329 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: And he hits the shot that three point in the corner. 330 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: And if you watch the replay, he's running up of 331 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: a corner. He's yelling at our bench. I fucking told you, 332 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: because it's like, yo, you're gonna put a rookie, a 333 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: cold rookie in the game. I think the reason why 334 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: he put him, like why Mike did, was, I want 335 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: to say, he played with Mike Junior at Duke and 336 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: like so he kind of like Mike Senior knew him 337 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: and thought like, oh yeah, like I can these dude guys, 338 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: I can put him in. I don't know, I don't 339 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: know what the logic was. All I know is that 340 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: Roger called that ship and then let us know that 341 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: he called the ship Mike, Mike sometime. So I've heard, so, 342 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: I've heard. So six that team started the year. People 343 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: thought we were gonna make the playoffs. We wont fifty 344 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: four games, and we go to conference finals again, and 345 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: in the conference finals, Kurt Thomas gets hurt, Roger Bell 346 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: gets hurt, and you know, the MAVs end up beating us. 347 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: So then O seven is like, Okay, we're all healthy 348 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: and that's the year. We're like, this is the championship year, 349 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: and what happens happened. So when we come back for eight, now, 350 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: it's like there's a pressure that didn't occur before. Mike 351 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 1: D'Antoni is starting to feel that pressure, the organizations starting to 352 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: feel that pressure. We start the year we're not great, 353 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: but we're also it's not falling apart. But Sean Marrion 354 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: kind of was wanting a new deal and his agent 355 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: at the time was the late Dan Fagan, And do 356 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: y'all know Dan Fagan was ruthless negotiator. 357 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: This dude. 358 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: He wasn't trying to do give any leeway. His whole 359 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: thing was like, I'm gonna put pressure on organization, yes, definitely. 360 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: So that we get married. 361 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: He did, but also like we were in the luxury 362 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: tax and he was the highest paid player on the team, 363 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: which was and he had two years left on his deal, 364 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: so he was looking for an extension and so and 365 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: they wanted Max every last dollar. So we were coming 366 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: up with scenarios of what if we did this, what 367 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: if we did that, And they're coming back like, no, 368 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: it has to be Max. So we're like, we want 369 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: to just play it out. Dan Fagan, being Dan Fagan, 370 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: was like, hey, man, we're gonna We're not We're not 371 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: doing that. So he's shaken, basically shaking the tree. At 372 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: the same time, in Miami, Shaq has worn out his welcome. 373 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all have big fellow on, but 374 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: that story is hilarious. Like him wearing out his welcome 375 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: in Miami, him and Pat pat Riley almost fought in practice. 376 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: Uncle Jerome said as they're walking off, he said, well, 377 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get my bags packed. He said, as 378 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: they're walking on the floor, like, well, I'm gonna go 379 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: home and pack. So at the time that that trade 380 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: was done, owner the owner Mickey Rison, the owner of 381 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: the Heat, and Robert Sarver, owner of the Sons, they 382 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: were talking about each other's problems, and they said, yo, 383 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 1: they all want to do this. So then it started 384 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: this whole thing about like can what happens if we 385 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,479 Speaker 1: get shacked? And so the first things first was, if 386 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: you remember, Shack was hurt like they won a title, 387 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: and then that next year it was hurt a lot, 388 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: and they were saying his career as. 389 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 2: Always in the end, was it the toe? Was it 390 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: still the toe? 391 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 3: Was the toe to the back the hip? 392 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 2: You know what I mean with a bunch of yeah, 393 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: it was four hundred, four hundred for ten years on that. 394 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: So Aaron Nelson, who was the head of our training staff, 395 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: they sat Aaron Nelson down and we watched. I had 396 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: to pull the film. I was a video coordinger of 397 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: that year. So I'm pulling film on Shock and we're 398 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: sitting there and Nelly's watching and he's like he's fine, 399 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: Like what like this' all my not. You see the 400 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: way he's doing this. That's because this muscle right here 401 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: is trying to compensate. But this muscle doesn't work out. 402 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: Bringing it here in two weeks he'll be fine, And 403 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: so he gets that's the green light. So then the 404 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: next thing was like the h the analytics right, and 405 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: so I had to do that. And our whole thing 406 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: was that year we were the number one or we're 407 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: top five in the league in terms of defensive field 408 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: goal percentage on the first shot. So we run a possession, 409 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: we're defending that shot that comes out of it. We've 410 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: defended it really well. Here's the problem. We're one of 411 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: the worst defensive rebounded teams. So these teams were grabbing up. 412 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: They were just put it up, grab it and go 413 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: back up with it, and we weren't. We weren't good 414 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:56,719 Speaker 1: at the second and third kind of contests. So guarding, 415 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: you know, defensive rebounding was an issue, and obviously keeping 416 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: defenses to one possession was an issue. And then the 417 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: third thing was we played the Spurs, and everything for 418 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: us was about the Spurs. The Spurs they were throwing 419 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: a timmy on that low block mercilessly, and we just 420 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: had we didn't have anybody like Amari tried, you know, 421 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: but it's just at some point that dude is just 422 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: bigger and taller and freakishly talented and skilled and smart, 423 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: and there were no team scheme you could do because 424 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: then he just hit it out there and now Tony's 425 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: going crazy. 426 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 3: He was just better. With all due respect to everybody involved, 427 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 3: Tim Duncan was just better than everybody else during those times. 428 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: You can have a lot of similar size, Like he 429 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 3: wasn't that you know, he was bigger, taller, but he 430 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 3: wasn't like Timmy was never really you know David Robinson 431 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 3: with it, you know what I mean. It was like 432 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 3: a likely he was just taller and bigger, but he 433 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: was just better than everybody else. Man, it was like 434 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 3: you could try to outthink Timmy or then he could sleep. 435 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: He'll do something sneakily athletic, He was sneaky after athletic 436 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 3: during that last little window when he was aggressive before 437 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 3: he started deferring. Remember he was hooked dunking and you 438 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 3: know what I mean. So Timmy was just it ain't 439 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 3: nobody else's fight as just as it was Tim Duncan. 440 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 1: So, but that was that was our big concern. So 441 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: we're like, if we get big fella, and if he's 442 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: healthy and he's bought in to like what we need 443 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: him to do, he can help us in all the 444 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: things that were awful out Now we knew he was. 445 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: There's a trade off here because Sean was our Swiss 446 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: Army knife. This was a guy that was guarding everybody 447 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: he was. He would guard. He would literally guard one 448 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: through five. We had him on Yaoming some games like that. 449 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: Sean doesn't get talked about enough as far as being 450 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: the first kind of were not the first. Actually, you know, 451 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: obviously there's been a lot of players like that, but 452 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: and the lead guy of that level, he. 453 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 2: Never made He never made an All defensive team, right, 454 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 2: Sean Mary. 455 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: So that's yeah, So that was funny back then. I 456 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: want to say, the all defensive teams were picked by 457 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: the coaches, it wasn't picked by the media. So we 458 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: would push him, like you know, doing the pr stuff, 459 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: so he would appear on the DePoy rankings. I think 460 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: he got third one year in Defensive Player of the Year, 461 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: but he was not on All Defensive team because I 462 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: don't know why the coaches didn't. I still don't understand 463 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: that when and maybe that's again that's the thing where 464 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: sounds kind of crazy, but like we were so ahead 465 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: of the game, people didn't understand what we were doing 466 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: and thought because you know, this is back when people 467 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: were still going, oh, how many points per game do 468 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: they allow? Oh, not by possession, not factoring in yo. Yeah, 469 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: we gave up a lot of points because we played fast. 470 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: If we held the ball like you guys like Detroit, 471 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: like you know San Antonio, our points per game would 472 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: be lower too. But because we're playing up and now 473 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: there's more possessions, it's a higher points per game. But 474 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: people weren't understanding that. So I think Sean was hurt 475 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: by that, even though if you look at it, we 476 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: weren't terrible defense. We probably middle of the road. So 477 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: I say, all that said, we do the deal, bring 478 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: shack in and uh I go pick him up from 479 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: the ritz midnight to start his workout. He gets in 480 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: and like literally midnight, we're doing the workouts and Shaq, 481 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: so it was a big fellow. My name's mean And 482 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: he says, are you Muslim? And I said yeah, and 483 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: he's like me too. I'm like, oh, like I've heard 484 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: things right, like I didn't know, like, oh man, like 485 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: you know things that you learned. So we go, we 486 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: go out there. The first workout we're doing, we're teaching 487 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: them how we do pick and rolls and so, Jolanna, 488 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: you remember this, Like Sean would slip, he'd come and 489 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: and we call him touch and go. You wouldn't even 490 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: set the screen. You would run up. 491 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 3: And then everybody stole that. Everybody stole that. 492 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: Everybody stole that. We were the first ones doing that ship. 493 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: So we're showing Shaq to do it. I'm the the 494 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: ball handler, defender. Coaches. I think it's coach gentry. He's dribbling, 495 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: so I'm like, okay, and Shaq and in his mind 496 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: he touches me and slips. But what happened was it 497 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: was like I got hit by a train. 498 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: Dude. 499 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: My neck crack, my ears started ringing, and it was 500 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: like it was I was that was my first introduction. 501 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: You know, you see Shack. Oh my god, he's a 502 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: lot bigger than on TV. But like on the court, 503 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: now I understood what everybody. 504 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 2: Damn, I think Kevin Garnett said. Thank god Shaq was 505 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 2: raised right. Shout out to Mamo Neil. 506 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: Facts one thousand. If he was if he was an 507 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: actual asshole, as opposed to. 508 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 3: If he liked Hennessy in Black and Miles, as opposed 509 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 3: to being a nice guy and occupying his time with 510 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 3: DJing and making movies and ship like, if he if he. 511 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: Wanted and wanting to be friendly and accessible. Boom that 512 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: wanted people. 513 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 3: What's the world Chamberlain the big man, uh, the big 514 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 3: Man complex. They talked about wiel chair. Mberlin used to 515 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 3: do that too with the league because he didn't want 516 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 3: to alienate himself off from the rest of the players 517 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 3: because he was so far advanced. And I think there's 518 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,479 Speaker 3: a bit, there's a book about it. I'll send it 519 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 3: to you. But I think Shack had the same thing. 520 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 3: Because he was so dominant, he almost had to maintain 521 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 3: some type of childlike quality about him, so he would 522 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 3: alienate himself from you know, you want friends, yeah. 523 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: Which is which is a crazy thing, you know, And 524 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: Shack behind the scenes is so different than what's on 525 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: TV facts and it's and I'm like that. I was 526 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: with him for a year and a half in Phoenix, 527 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: and I was always amazed, Like, you know, I'm like, 528 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: why doesn't why don't anyone notice about you? 529 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: Man? 530 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: It's like like he shot at Walmart. 531 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 3: Every day. 532 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: He would drive a Walmart at like two in the 533 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: morning and go to Walmart and he would come back 534 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: with ship. 535 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: Because he's he's got seventy five products in Walmart. He's 536 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 2: got to check the shelves. 537 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 3: Now he does. 538 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: Now he does back then, So I'll give you a 539 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: great timp. You remember the flip camera. It was like 540 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: a it was like it was like a camera you 541 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: take pictures, and then it had like a little stick 542 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: that come out in the USB whatever. The first time 543 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: I ever even heard of that ship was Shaq Shack 544 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: came in with it and I said, damn, And I'm 545 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: thinking it's Shack. So this must be like one thousand dollars, 546 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: like crazy features. It's ninety nine dollars and ninety nine 547 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: dollars would you get that from? Like what kind of 548 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,479 Speaker 1: deal was that? It's like Walmart? I'm like, you went 549 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: to Walmart. I go away for you night. 550 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 3: You can't sleep. 551 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: You can't sleep. Shot Shot drove an astro van. Like 552 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: everyone remembers the big truck, the fucking sixteen wheeler. Everyone 553 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: remembers the Lamborghini. It's a big the big motorcycle. I 554 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: don't even know. It was like a sling Shot, but 555 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was. It was just a huge ass 556 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: four wheel motorcycle. He drove an astro van most of 557 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: the time. Man. Now, it was a nice astrovan, but 558 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 1: it's an elevated astroum, but it's an astrovent and then 559 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: the day so we go through these workouts. He two 560 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: weeks later he's playing for us, and we end the 561 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: year like thirty and ten or something like that. It 562 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: was we went on a really good run. We get 563 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: now the last day of the year. It was one 564 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: of those if we win and he lose, they lose, 565 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: and they lose and they win, we're the three seed. 566 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: But if we da Dad, now we're like the seventh seed. 567 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: It was one of those years. So we end up 568 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: like this, I want to see the seventh seed and 569 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: we're playing the Spurs in the first round, so like, 570 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: here we go, this is what we bought Big Feller for. 571 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: Game one is like a heavyweight fight, back and forth, 572 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth. 573 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: And then. 574 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: They're down three and to go to overtime, they draw 575 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: up a play where Michael Finley starts under the basket, 576 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: he curls up and he curls around. I want to 577 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: say Alberto was the screener and it was Amari and 578 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: Barbosa on the play. They drew it up. They were 579 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: targeting those guys because those were like of the guys 580 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: on the floor. Those were kind of our weak spots defensively, 581 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: and Mike Finley hits that three. We go to overtime, 582 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: so it's like, all right, cool, like we still got this, 583 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: we were up in the game or whatever. And that's 584 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: the play where it's one of the most famous plays 585 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 1: in NBA history. They ran high pick and roll with 586 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: Manu and Timmy shot drops because we're trying to stop Manu. 587 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: Manu kicks it out to Timmy top of key three. 588 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: Hadn't shot a three the entire year, hadn't made one, 589 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: hadn't attempted. So our scout report was like, if he's 590 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: out there, don't don't react. And you see Roger go like, 591 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: oh no, it's Timmy and that motherfucker put it up. 592 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: And when he roared like that, I didn't say it 593 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: at the time. I've said it since, like since in 594 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: the media. This is Game one. I was like, ain't 595 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: no way we're beating there, because I saw the look 596 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: in his eyes and Timmy was never emotional, never emotional, 597 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: never the amount of raw just passion that came out 598 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: of him after you hit that shot. It was one 599 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: of those like I don't know how you could be 600 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: a backbreaking series, backbreaking three in game one, but it 601 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: felt like that. So now we're down one. We're in 602 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: San Antonio. Game one was like Saturday. Game two, Saturday afternoon. 603 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: Game two is like Wednesday night. We should have flown home. 604 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: We didn't. We stayed in San Antonio the whole time. 605 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: So now everyone's kind of going crazy. And it's only 606 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: so many times you go to. 607 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 3: I was just about to say, you river walking way 608 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 3: too much to diet. Ain't like that down in San Antino. 609 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 3: You got better culinary options at the crib. 610 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: Man, And and we're sitting there and now you're you 611 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: as a heartbreaking loss now and you're just sitting there 612 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: in a hotel room. Everyone doing this. At this point, 613 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: I think Mike D'Antoni is starting to feel like, man, 614 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: if we don't win this series, they're gonna get rid 615 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: of me. I know why he felt like that, because 616 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: coaches are paranoid creatures because they hired to get fired. 617 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: Is the same, right, But he wasn't gonna get fired, 618 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: like we were talking about, Mike gonna be like Jerry Sloan. 619 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: He's gonna be in Phoenix forever. Right. But Mike is 620 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: starting to feel the Itch, and Mike's agent is like, 621 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: all right, let's start figuring out what are the other 622 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: opportunities are going to be available? So now, Mike, I go. 623 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: We go, Me and a couple other guys on staff. 624 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: We go to fud Rutgers for lunch and we walk in. 625 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: We see Mike D'Antoni and his brother Dan d'antoni's on 626 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: the staff. They're sitting at a table. Now, anytime I've 627 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: ever walked into a restaurant and I've seen coach Hey, 628 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: come over here, what y'all getting? Dah da da? He 629 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: hit us with the Hey guys, and I'm like, oh, 630 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: they're having a conversation of that. Jack McCallum was with 631 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: the writer, so they were like, this don't feel right, 632 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: but like, all right, we'll go here. We see we 633 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: I went and saw Forgetting Sarah Marshall. Also between this Time, 634 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: great movie. I've only seen it one time. That one 635 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: time I loved it, But that movie always reminds me 636 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: of San Antonio, the Five Days of Waiting, Mike gonna 637 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: leave now and what are we gonna do? So it's 638 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: like I can't watch that movie. So Game two happens, 639 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: and amazingly we have a chance to win game two, 640 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: and like some ship at the end, as it always 641 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,719 Speaker 1: happens in sands On it, some shit happens. They did 642 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: everything right, we did one mistake. Now we're down too. 643 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: We're going back to Phoenix. Now, mind you, we we 644 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: could have been up too. Oh but you could tell 645 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: when the spirit is broken. So our spirit's broken. We 646 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: got game three, they blow us out, So now we're 647 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: down three zero, and now everyone's starting to get ready 648 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: like shit's about to change. We blow them out in 649 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: game four, but it doesn't matter. We come back. Game 650 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: five it closed game. We mess up like the ato 651 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: and now we're out. And so Steve, uh, you know, 652 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 1: Steve Curr's like, well, we just have to get better 653 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: at certain things or whatever. And I think Mike took 654 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: that as Steve trying to either push him out or 655 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: trying to trying to he become the coach or whatever, 656 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: which again was never a reality. At that point, Mike quits, 657 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: he goes to New York. So this is now I 658 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: gave it an hour leader when we get to the 659 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: season with Matt Barnes, right, we're interviewing different guys for coach, 660 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: and we end up hiring Terry Porter because two reasons. 661 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: One TP was Steve Curr's teammate in San Antonio, so 662 00:34:54,760 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: they were really close. Was TP was an assistant with Adalman, 663 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: and we had stolen a lot of Sacramentos stuff for Arseno, 664 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: so all that corner stuff was our elbow sitting. 665 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 3: I was about to say to elbow yeah. 666 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: So we like so we were like, Okay, this is 667 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: a guy who gets us offensively and maybe he can 668 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: coach us up defensively, right because we had the number 669 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: one offense. 670 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 2: Right even even after the system's there, it's good. 671 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: What do you call it when you buy a house 672 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: and you don't have to. 673 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 3: Do anything or turnkey? Turnkey yeah yeah, turnkey Yeah. 674 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: I don't have to do ship. The flooring is perfect. 675 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: All I gotta do. 676 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 3: Is get some get yeah. 677 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. So we hired TP and they go the coaches. 678 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: Now I'm in the front office, I'm out the video 679 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: room and now I'm like scouting coordinator or whatever. The 680 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: coaches go on the retreat, come back and treat ask 681 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: my guy like, yo, so how was it? And he's 682 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: like weird? And I said, what do you mean weird? 683 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: And he said we talked about offense the entire time, 684 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: And I'm like, wait, so y'all were teaching him our offense. 685 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: He said, no, he was teaching us his offense. What's 686 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: his offense? His offense was the Flip Saunders playbook. That's this. 687 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 3: Twist twist. Come on, man, I tell you that ship. 688 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: First of all, nothing funny than trying to hear Rookie 689 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: Gore on drag and try to say four to fifty 690 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: two twists facts. But like when I tell you, we 691 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: were like, the fuck are you talking about? Man? So 692 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: I'm thinking we're trying our front office guys. We're like, 693 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: we're trying to be hey, give him a chance. So 694 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: we're saying, you know what it is, he's going to 695 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: implement some of his offense at some point. He needs 696 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: y'all to kind of know it backwards and forwards. So 697 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: when the players ask, you're not doing the hey, coach, 698 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: I don't you know? So? But like once we get 699 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: to camp, this ship's gonna be the regulars. Okay. So 700 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: we get to camp day one now, mind you again, 701 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: defense was our big thing day one. Offense four fifty 702 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: two twists and all the all them bullshit yips. So 703 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: we're like Okay, so he's trying to like because everyone 704 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: on the team been here last year pretty much, you 705 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: know Matt, I think Matt was the only new guy 706 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: at that point, and the rookies, but like they'll pick 707 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: up our offense because everyone can help them with that, 708 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: but coach wants to do it. Day two his offense. 709 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: Day three, Steve has a word with him like, hey, man, 710 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: I think we should like start getting on the defense 711 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: because that's really a thing. So it's like all right, 712 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: So then he has them doing the remember the ship 713 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: from Hoosiers, like Brother. 714 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 3: H fire Fee and King the leader of the you 715 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 3: know what, I forgot the jail but yeah, diving on 716 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 3: the loose ball. 717 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 2: Take a charge, diving on the sly sly slide. 718 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 3: Jump up, get it down. 719 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Hoosiers was a movie about high school, small high 720 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: school in Indiana, college whatever. He's doing this to Steve Nash, 721 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: Grant Hill, Shaquillo Hill, right, like three Hall of famers 722 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: first ballot deep in their careers, two of them on 723 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: one m v P and the third almost one m 724 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: v P. Probably would have won one had he not 725 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: got hurt. So this is kind of like, this isn't 726 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: NBA defense this is this ship you're doing with a 727 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: high school team or a college team. So now the 728 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: guys are tuning to grumble. 729 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 3: And uh. 730 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: We come back from camp and we're like, Okay, is 731 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,720 Speaker 1: this really happening, but we're still kind of holding out hope. 732 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: Roger and Boris are like, Boris, Yeah, They're like, this 733 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: shit ain't working. 734 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 3: Bro. 735 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: It's funny that's whenever the shit's not working, there's always 736 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: someone who knows it immediately and tells everybody immediately, and 737 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: everybody else lies to themselves well as well. And we 738 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: were like, Roger and Bores were one, right, this ain't work. 739 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: It's not gonna work. That's why what happened in Milwaukee 740 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: with Adrian Griffin, even though they're thirty and eleven. I 741 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: understood it because I'm like, you know, you know when 742 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. But everybody's sitting around lining each other. 743 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: So Roger's super disruptive. Rogers might got my OG so 744 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: I could say that he's super disruptive. We've been doing 745 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: five on zero over here, Rogers on the other end 746 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: of the court, practicing hook shots from three. 747 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 2: Right, Roger seems like an asshole in the best way. 748 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: He's but he's both be true. Yeah, he's the kind 749 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: of asshole you need him because he'll tell you what 750 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: you need to hear, not what you'd like to. 751 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 3: Boris is like that too, and he do it from 752 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 3: the French side. He come with it, He come with French, 753 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 3: you know. 754 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give you the great example of how 755 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: they both did the same thing, but in their own way. 756 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: So Roger would like, I said, just mess around, and 757 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: then he would just grab the ball and then walk 758 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: up to this side of the court. Watched him go 759 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: through the five on zero and what the fuck are 760 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: we doing? And just walk back. And so I'm sitting there, 761 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, like this. You try not to laugh. 762 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: It's funny, but you can't laugh. But also you can't react, 763 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,240 Speaker 1: so we're just sitting there. Boris was different. So Boris 764 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,760 Speaker 1: Boris d I grew up. His mother was the greatest 765 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: French women's basketball player ever. So this dude was literally 766 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: born to play basketball. He he him and TP and 767 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: Tory Off and all those guys went to this academy incept. 768 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: It's literally designed just to make you into a pro 769 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: basketball player. His favorite player is Magic Johnson. So with 770 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: Mike d'An TONI we let Boris rebound and bring the 771 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: ball up and and like he would just leave the break. 772 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: T p comes in and says, you're a power forward. 773 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: When you grab a rebound, you got to find a 774 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: guard and get to him. 775 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 2: Pissed off the French dude, No. 776 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: Pissed off like imagine telling Mozart, you know you can 777 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,800 Speaker 1: only play bro like so he said, Now he's he's 778 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: he's a genius basketball. Yes, I know people are gonn 779 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: look at the stats and when I tell you this, 780 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: dude's like Q basketball wise was through the roof Bro. 781 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,919 Speaker 2: Steven Jackson said he's the most talented player he's ever 782 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:40,439 Speaker 2: played with. 783 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: Could do anything he wanted, just he. 784 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 3: Just didn't want to if he cared to what time 785 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 3: is lunch? I want to be you, you know you want. 786 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: With with the with the cappuccino practice of the facts. So, 787 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,280 Speaker 1: so Boris started doing this. He would grab the rebound, 788 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: take one hard dribble court like he was about to 789 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: bust out. Then he would stop and then he would 790 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: turn and he would find Steve and then he would 791 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: hand them the ball like it was a baby like this, 792 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: and then he turned in and look at the bench 793 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: like like I'm doing the thing you asked me to do. 794 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: So now TP is like, these guys, don't they we're 795 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 1: not buying in and da da da. So now we're like, 796 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: we gotta trade them because they're not buying in, even 797 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: though they were right and we were wrong. Also there's 798 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: some contract stuff with Roger too, but like the reality was, 799 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: it wasn't because of the contract. It was because he 800 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: was quote unquote being disruptive even though he was telling 801 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: the thing that everybody had on their mind. Shaq meanwhile, 802 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: would do this out Shaq would do We'd be stretching, 803 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: and Shaq would just start singing remember that T Paint song. 804 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: I could put you in the mansion somewhere in Wisconsin. 805 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: Shaq would sing, but he would change the lyrics to 806 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 1: no Bologney, we missed Mike D'Antoni. This is the middle 807 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: of practice, bro, what is stretching? So everybody's kind of 808 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: out on TP. They have a conversation with TP say, hey, man, 809 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: like the guys the morale is down and like the 810 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: offense ain't really clicking. I think you should start to 811 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: reintroduce the stuff that we do. So he goes in 812 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: and he takes. One of our more successful plays is 813 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: one called twenty one twenty one chase right, which is 814 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: a pistol action on the side, and the big comes 815 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: sets a drag screen after the handoff, and then he 816 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: rolls and the other guy players and it's a buncht thing, 817 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: but twenty one chase, twenty one player, they were all 818 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: twenty one keyp they were all different ones. So he says, 819 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna run this. It's called pistol. And 820 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: instead of the big coming and set the screen, he 821 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,919 Speaker 1: goes to the block, which is like, our whole shit 822 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 1: was fied out. Keep that paint clear so that Steve 823 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: can get in there and make plays. You throw Shack 824 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: on the block. You just now it's basically a postal play, 825 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: which Shack when he came, he was like, I don't 826 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: want to play offense anymore. I just want to be 827 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: Bill Russell and help Amari become the best big in 828 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: the league, and then all right things. 829 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 3: Not a lot of people know that. Not a lot 830 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 3: of people know that the big fellow will come over 831 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 3: and say something like that in a situation like that, 832 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 3: that's interesting, he said that. I mean, like nobody knows 833 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 3: you go ahead. 834 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: He thought his career was over. So he was so 835 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: appreciative that our training staff got him back. He was like, 836 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,280 Speaker 1: I'll do whatever it takes. 837 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 3: That's when he was diving all over loose balls. Remember 838 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 3: remember that year he was diving. Yeah, he was the 839 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 3: whole bench of movement because he was diving all over 840 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 3: loose balls all over the place. Yeah, he would. He 841 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 3: bought in. 842 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: He bought in. But so now we come back with 843 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: TP stuff, and now everything's a post up and at 844 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,920 Speaker 1: first Shack is like us, like what's going on? But 845 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, like a wild animal, he might look tame, 846 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: but you give him that taste of blood, it all 847 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,919 Speaker 1: comes rushing back. And so now Shaq is like, fuck, yeah, 848 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,280 Speaker 1: we're running that ship, give me the rock. So now 849 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: we're running everything through Shack, Steve bringing the ball up, 850 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,879 Speaker 1: dumping into Shack, and Shack is and Shack is so shot. 851 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 1: He's an All Star that year. He's All Star game MVP. 852 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: But that's not that's not what our offense was supposed 853 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 1: to be, and it made a lesser version of us. 854 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,359 Speaker 1: And then defensively we still weren't any better. And so 855 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: now everybody's kind of out on him, and we go 856 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: to then All Star break and the rumor starts moving 857 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,880 Speaker 1: around they about the fire TP. Now, mind you, this 858 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: was like a secret nobody knew except the admin for 859 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: Steve Kerr, who was a lovely lady and she was 860 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: on point. She knew her all her stuff like, she 861 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 1: was organized, she was excellent at her job. But I 862 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: guess she told her her son was a big Suns 863 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 1: fan and she told her son, you know, you're trying 864 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: to give your kid like yo, man, Like you know 865 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: by the way, they're gonna switch the coach and that's 866 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: something that the kid would feel like, Oh cool, I 867 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,239 Speaker 1: knew that before anybody knew it. This dumb ass goes 868 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 1: and writes a blog about it. Yeah, so it gets 869 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,399 Speaker 1: out and it ain't hard to tell from the last 870 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: name like it was. Her name wasn't like Johnson, there 871 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,359 Speaker 1: was me. It was his name, like, yo, is this 872 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: first related to you? Yeah, that's my son. She got 873 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: the heap hole. So TP gets fired. Alvin comes in, 874 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 1: and Alvin walks in and the first thing he does 875 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: in practice like and this is why I imagine what 876 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,359 Speaker 1: docted like when you got a guy who wasn't sure 877 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,399 Speaker 1: what he wanted to do whatever. Then the new guy 878 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,200 Speaker 1: comes in and he knows exactly what we're gonna do. 879 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: Everybody's energized, like oh okay, because he's like, we're doing this. 880 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 1: We're running twenty one. It's not called pistol, it's called 881 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 1: twenty one. Shaq, you're go instead of dragon scene the 882 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: first game. I want to say, man, let me look 883 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: it up because I know the first three games we 884 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 1: played under Alvin we average like one hundred and forty 885 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: games or something. 886 00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 3: It was. 887 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: It was the most obvious. It's like, hey, the joy 888 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: is back. Uh, and let me let me just hold 889 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 1: on just pulling. 890 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you score one. 891 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,319 Speaker 1: Uh. The first three games we went from like this 892 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 1: middling offense. Who now we're unto So now we're like, 893 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,399 Speaker 1: oh shit, this is it. We're gonna do the second 894 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 1: half of the season, this magical run. We're gonna get 895 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: to the playoffs and anything goes there. And then Lamar 896 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: gets poked in his eye. Out for the year. He 897 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 1: had been poked in his eye during training camp. I 898 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 1: was the one that had to drive him to the 899 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 1: I surgeon two hours from two Soon up to Phoenix, 900 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 1: we're like we're wondering whether he's gonna be able to 901 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: see again. So that kind of like kills us. But 902 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,360 Speaker 1: we're still good and we're competing. We're competing, we're competing. 903 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: We get to uh, it's like maybe the last month 904 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 1: of the season. It's like and it's clear now, if 905 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: you want to be in the Western His playoffs, you 906 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: got to win fifty games, which is insane, Like the 907 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,359 Speaker 1: minimum to get in the cover charges fifty fifty wins. 908 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,759 Speaker 1: So we're playing Denver. We're playing Denver and us and 909 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,759 Speaker 1: them are around that same kind of fighting for that 910 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 1: spot and Grant Hill's driving for to make the go 911 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,239 Speaker 1: ahead lay up. Dante Jones gets beat, sticks his legout again. 912 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: Crazy guy on the line, right Dante Jones, another one 913 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,960 Speaker 1: of them guys, stix is I got trips g Hill. 914 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,319 Speaker 1: G Hill falls, no call, They come back, they win 915 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,479 Speaker 1: the game. We lodged a protests. We said, yeah, this dude, 916 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,319 Speaker 1: now it should have been like a flavor and this 917 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 1: is a dirty play. He didn't eve make a play 918 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 1: on the ball, he just tripped them. And back then 919 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 1: you have to go into there's a website you put 920 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,920 Speaker 1: in you tag the play and you write with the 921 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,719 Speaker 1: complainants and all that stuff, and they came back to 922 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,279 Speaker 1: Jackson hit us back a couple of days later and 923 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 1: he's like, after a review, yes, it was should have 924 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 1: been a foul on Dante Jones are bad. 925 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:08,240 Speaker 2: No one one one protest ever is actually the Miami 926 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 2: one Shack. 927 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 3: He was Shack. 928 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,960 Speaker 1: Shaq fouled out and he actually had five fouls. So 929 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 1: that's that's the day I learned they'll never reverse a 930 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 1: bad call. They'll only reverse like a call that's like 931 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,480 Speaker 1: is illegal. Basically, it was illegal for them to foul 932 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 1: out Shack with five fouls. It's not illegal for them 933 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,160 Speaker 1: to miss Dante Jones tripping. We lose that game, we 934 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: lose the season, the season series to them. We end 935 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: up not making the playoffs. But that season was so 936 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:47,280 Speaker 1: fucking funny and hilarious because Shaq was full shock. Matt 937 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,759 Speaker 1: was like, Matt, well, this is Matt's first. No, he 938 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 1: was still doing one year deals, but this was his 939 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 1: first you're not making minimum so and he was a starter. 940 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 1: And the funniest shit was Matt Matt looks like Matt 941 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 1: obviously knows his game. He doesn't play outside himself. 942 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 943 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,880 Speaker 1: But once a game he would have a turnover that 944 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:20,440 Speaker 1: was so egregious, like what were you thinking? Either the 945 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: long past, it was like what were you thinking? So 946 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,280 Speaker 1: Shaq called him Apple turnover and caught him Apple turnover. 947 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: But it was like, you know, it wasn't his fault, 948 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,360 Speaker 1: like because if you look at his stats and stuff, like, 949 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, he never turns the ball over. It's just 950 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,719 Speaker 1: he'd have one memorable one like every couple of games. Now, 951 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,600 Speaker 1: the other thing that was happening was this is when 952 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: I learned that Shaq is one of the most magnificent 953 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,040 Speaker 1: liars knowing the man. This man just likes lying, not 954 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: because like he just likes telling. He likes telling stories 955 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,319 Speaker 1: and he's trying to see how far he can go 956 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,960 Speaker 1: with it. So Matt, you know, Matt was all State 957 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,320 Speaker 1: high school. You could have played D one college football. Facts, 958 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 1: mister football on a ship, Shaq said. Shaq said, I 959 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 1: was mister football in New Jersey, like at quarterback. But 960 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 1: then I got to they said I was too big. 961 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 1: It wasn't fair, so they made me switch to basketball. 962 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,320 Speaker 1: Like he just says shit like that. In training camp, 963 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:24,840 Speaker 1: we're at we're we have palm springs and we have 964 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,839 Speaker 1: a breakfast meeting the day before like our preseason game. 965 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:33,000 Speaker 1: Shaq coming late, sweating, like kind of dressed, like not 966 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,960 Speaker 1: not in sweats or whatever. Right, he sits down. I'm 967 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,360 Speaker 1: at the table with the rookies. I got all the 968 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: rookies because you know, early on I'm kind of walking 969 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,600 Speaker 1: them through a lot of shit. So Shaq sits down 970 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,479 Speaker 1: and I said, what's that big fellow over you? He's like, man, 971 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 1: I went to La last night. I went to meet 972 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 1: up with this with this girl and we went to 973 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 1: dinner and then we were like, you know what, let's 974 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 1: let's just take it to go and go back, and 975 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,600 Speaker 1: it says she's driving me back and then she started 976 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: acting and I said, yo, just dropped me off right 977 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: here in the middle of nowhere, like this is crazy, 978 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,520 Speaker 1: I can't be in this situation whatever. And she's like no, no, no, 979 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,759 Speaker 1: only you start gunning the engine. And the rookies are 980 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 1: all like, hoh shit, like this is what the NBA 981 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,279 Speaker 1: is like, Shack is on you crazy, being abducty whatever. 982 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 1: And then I'm sitting I'm listening to them like, so 983 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,000 Speaker 1: Jack says, So I said, how'd you get out of it? 984 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,960 Speaker 1: He said, I pull out the silverware, the knife from 985 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: the go box and said, yo, I'll stab me if you 986 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,840 Speaker 1: don't let me out. And so she pulls over and 987 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:37,799 Speaker 1: she lets me out. I said, hey, man, big fella, 988 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,960 Speaker 1: I've been to a lot of restaurants and fancy restaurants. 989 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,800 Speaker 1: I ain't never seen one where they give you metal 990 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,000 Speaker 1: utensils in the the go box and this smile box 991 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,839 Speaker 1: on the stage. I'm like, I knew this shit was fake, man, 992 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,440 Speaker 1: I said, how much of that was real? He said, 993 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,080 Speaker 1: I went to La. That was the only thing that 994 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,520 Speaker 1: I went to LA. I like, I spent the night 995 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,480 Speaker 1: there and little lake of it. That was the whole story. 996 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,680 Speaker 1: But he would like telling these stories. We went and 997 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 1: saw Notorious, Remember the Biggie movie. They had a screener 998 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 1: for us to watch it early, so we went and 999 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,600 Speaker 1: watched it as a team. And when we're sitting there afterwards, 1000 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,600 Speaker 1: Gee Hill's talking about I was at the Vibe party 1001 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,399 Speaker 1: that Biggie got shot at. We're like, word, He's like yeah, 1002 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,120 Speaker 1: because he was dating to me at the time, and 1003 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 1: to me, his godfather was Quincy Jones. And so they 1004 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 1: were at the party and then they left and they said, 1005 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,680 Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes later is when b got shot at 1006 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:37,200 Speaker 1: Fairfax and Losine or whatever. So we're all like, that's 1007 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 1: some wild that's a wild story. Shackson the only one 1008 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,239 Speaker 1: not over here over there, he said, Man, that ain't shit. 1009 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 1: I saw him that day. I was like, well, he 1010 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:49,880 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I was at the tattoo Parlos Me 1011 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,359 Speaker 1: and Uncle Jerome and Biggie and little Sees walked into 1012 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,520 Speaker 1: the tattoo parlor they to get tattoos. Andy, Hey man, 1013 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:56,920 Speaker 1: what's up? What's going on? What do y'all have to 1014 00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,600 Speaker 1: as much? What y'all love to? Or we going to 1015 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,359 Speaker 1: the vipe already tonight? And Shaq said, I said, don't 1016 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,239 Speaker 1: do that, And then he sat back in his chair 1017 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: as if they be like, I was, hold on you 1018 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,520 Speaker 1: trying to tell us that if Biggie listened to you 1019 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,759 Speaker 1: like that day, like you knew shit was gonna go 1020 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: down and shot like now, Jerome says they actually did 1021 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,560 Speaker 1: see no hold on, they didn't need them. 1022 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,480 Speaker 3: No hold yeah, now, hold on. Big fella had been 1023 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,480 Speaker 3: known to tell you, like when I played with him, 1024 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,879 Speaker 3: he's been known to tell you stay out of there, 1025 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,960 Speaker 3: don't be going over there with so and so I 1026 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,040 Speaker 3: heard you being with you heard you hanging out with 1027 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,759 Speaker 3: so and so, they see you in the club. Don't 1028 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,640 Speaker 3: be doing that, you know what I mean. He has 1029 00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,680 Speaker 3: been known to send send a message or two about 1030 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,280 Speaker 3: maybe you know, maybe what you should I'm not saying 1031 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,000 Speaker 3: it is true, you know what I mean? Or what 1032 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,760 Speaker 3: degree or what degree of completion we got to the truth. 1033 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,480 Speaker 3: But in fairness he has been to hey, who woo man, 1034 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,440 Speaker 3: I heard you be with so and so. I heard 1035 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,719 Speaker 3: you be a song. So every week, don't be don't 1036 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,879 Speaker 3: don't be going through there. People be getting Jack because 1037 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 3: he's been in LA, played in LA when we were 1038 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,040 Speaker 3: in the league. You remember during these times when there 1039 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,000 Speaker 3: was Jack and NBA players and me and coming out 1040 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,160 Speaker 3: of the clubs in l A. So if he found 1041 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,080 Speaker 3: out you are frequent a mood a garden, the eating 1042 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,560 Speaker 3: and there was getting a beat on you, he would 1043 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,920 Speaker 3: kind of act maybe not this week, you know what 1044 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,520 Speaker 3: I mean that he would kind of let you do 1045 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,239 Speaker 3: what you needed to do with it, you know what 1046 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:25,600 Speaker 3: I mean. 1047 00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,080 Speaker 1: So that's that's exactly that's how he pramed it. He said, 1048 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,000 Speaker 1: I don't do that, and then he just sat back. 1049 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, shout out to Shackman. 1050 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:34,920 Speaker 1: I think the. 1051 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,879 Speaker 2: Best NBA VET of all time, of all times. 1052 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 3: He made. 1053 00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,120 Speaker 1: He told us he was in beat Street. 1054 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,239 Speaker 3: Not that I can't be with a big family, he said, 1055 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:51,960 Speaker 3: I was in Beach Street. 1056 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,240 Speaker 1: I was look it up, Go get go, get the movie. 1057 00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,640 Speaker 1: Read the movie. You know, because Batreet, nobody has to 1058 00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:59,359 Speaker 1: block bus video. 1059 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:00,920 Speaker 3: You gotta go to track that down. 1060 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,080 Speaker 1: But our head video coordinator, No Gleslie, was like, I 1061 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,960 Speaker 1: got that ship at home. I'm bringing in tomorrow. So 1062 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,640 Speaker 1: we wrote that. We wrote on the whiteboard was Shack 1063 00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,560 Speaker 1: and Beat Street, Yes or no. Everyone had to vote. 1064 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,719 Speaker 1: We came, we got the tape. He's like, fast forward 1065 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,200 Speaker 1: to the talent show and the talent showing beatre with 1066 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,160 Speaker 1: these two kids. One kid was like this tall and 1067 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,479 Speaker 1: the other kid was like this giant, and I won't lie. 1068 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,480 Speaker 1: The kid looked a lot like Shack. 1069 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,239 Speaker 2: So when he was shot, like he said, he said, 1070 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,280 Speaker 2: when he was like a little child. 1071 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,479 Speaker 1: When he was ten or whatever or eight or whatever. 1072 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:39,839 Speaker 1: So in Germany. So okay, So I'm like something ain't 1073 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,080 Speaker 1: had no because we pull it up and we're watching 1074 00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,680 Speaker 1: him like is he telling the truth on this? 1075 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,439 Speaker 3: Yeah? 1076 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 1: And we stopped it. The whole team is crowding around 1077 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:56,360 Speaker 1: the TV like I don't know, so this is I 1078 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,399 Speaker 1: think IMDb was just starting like to be a thing. 1079 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,759 Speaker 1: So I was like, let me look this up. And 1080 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,919 Speaker 1: I looked up be Streeting and it had like child 1081 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,000 Speaker 1: number one, child number two and it was not Check's name. Obviously. 1082 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, Bro, black and White, that wasn't you. And 1083 00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,879 Speaker 1: he said no because I had to use a fake 1084 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,240 Speaker 1: name because the child labor. 1085 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 3: Law good come back, good come back. 1086 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 1: Labor laws, so we could come back. Nah. Man. That 1087 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,360 Speaker 1: season was so fun man, it was. 1088 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:26,760 Speaker 3: It was. 1089 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,480 Speaker 1: It was like even though we didn't win, but we 1090 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,560 Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs, but it's like when you got 1091 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,840 Speaker 1: a good group of dudes like it just it just 1092 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,560 Speaker 1: turns into fun. And and what happened next year for us, 1093 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,240 Speaker 1: I think a lot of it started with kind of 1094 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 1: the vibes we had built on the second half of 1095 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:42,600 Speaker 1: that season. 1096 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,120 Speaker 2: I think you having all that experience, like so many 1097 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,160 Speaker 2: people that are in the media now, you could tell 1098 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,560 Speaker 2: their you know, what they say isn't really based on 1099 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,320 Speaker 2: any experience or real knowledge. It's kind of just like observatory. 1100 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,400 Speaker 2: So I think so much of what you observe in 1101 00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,479 Speaker 2: the NBA applies to just like real life. 1102 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,560 Speaker 1: Shiit mm hmm, yeah, I mean, like I think, because 1103 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,960 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, my ship is an observatory ship. I 1104 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:11,440 Speaker 1: didn't play right, but. 1105 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,960 Speaker 3: You're exposed. 1106 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,880 Speaker 1: When you're in the inside, it's not That's why when 1107 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,920 Speaker 1: when Adrian Griffin gets fired, nine out of ten people 1108 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,040 Speaker 1: are like, how could this happen? And we're we were 1109 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,800 Speaker 1: being on the inside, We're like, I know, you know 1110 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:25,480 Speaker 1: it happened. 1111 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,240 Speaker 3: You know exactly, know exactly when you lose the locker room, yep. 1112 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,600 Speaker 1: And you never get it back. Hey, you could never 1113 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,560 Speaker 1: get that's what. Well, I'll give him a chance, ain't 1114 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,880 Speaker 1: non give them a chance once they've decided that's it, bro, 1115 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,680 Speaker 1: I don't care. If you're Phil Jackson. 1116 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,720 Speaker 3: You'll you'll be surprised to the depths that will go 1117 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,920 Speaker 3: to to to make sure your ship doesn't work too. 1118 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,280 Speaker 3: You get a real kGy vet, you know what I mean. 1119 00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,320 Speaker 3: You'll be surprised. You'd be like, no, yes he did, bro, 1120 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,760 Speaker 3: he completely went. You know, you tell that, you tell 1121 00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,880 Speaker 3: them left, they're going right for sure, like with an 1122 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,880 Speaker 3: exclamation point. They're gonna be rude about it, you know 1123 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,960 Speaker 3: what I mean. Depending on you get a hold of 1124 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,760 Speaker 3: the wrong vet and lose that locker room. I've seen 1125 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,200 Speaker 3: GP do a masterful job and getting a coach fire 1126 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,480 Speaker 3: is one of the best things I'd ever seen in 1127 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,120 Speaker 3: my life. But because of the way he did it, it 1128 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,960 Speaker 3: was in typical GP fashion. But I'm saying, as soon 1129 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,040 Speaker 3: as you locked out and you lose that locker room 1130 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,640 Speaker 3: with the wrong vet, you know, a tent over, it's 1131 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,480 Speaker 3: a rap, you know what I mean? 1132 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,120 Speaker 1: That was That was Barn with Mike Dunlevy exactly because 1133 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,280 Speaker 1: back Mike Dunlevy trying to call all the Barons again 1134 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:36,760 Speaker 1: a basketball genius. You can't be. 1135 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,520 Speaker 3: Looking at the calling every player, yeah. 1136 00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so and so so. Baron would be like, it's 1137 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,640 Speaker 1: funny because you know, obviously we're scouting them, so we're 1138 00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,280 Speaker 1: seeing that appen. 1139 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:49,120 Speaker 3: Baron be like. 1140 00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,160 Speaker 1: You want okay, and then he turned around called exact opposite, 1141 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,040 Speaker 1: whatever you want to run this ship, Okay, go over there, 1142 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,200 Speaker 1: you want to post, Okay, we're gonna do high picker 1143 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,760 Speaker 1: roll Like he was literally like okay, okay, coach and 1144 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,280 Speaker 1: then turn around and just call his own shit. 1145 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,320 Speaker 2: That's beautiful man, And man, I mean, we appreciate your time. 1146 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Man. 1147 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,400 Speaker 2: I think we usually do the player thing, but getting 1148 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,600 Speaker 2: the other side of the story. I mean, all this 1149 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,000 Speaker 2: shit is perspective, So let's do it again. I think 1150 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:18,720 Speaker 2: we probably cracked into like fifteen percent of the stories 1151 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,040 Speaker 2: and experience you got with Phoenix and the other team. So, man, 1152 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 2: this was awesome and we appreciate your time. 1153 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Man, No, man, thanks for having me. And like, like 1154 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,120 Speaker 1: I said, this is coming off the heels of seeing 1155 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,080 Speaker 1: Omar and as Jersey retired and watching those old highlights. 1156 01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,200 Speaker 1: I took my oldest child with me and she had 1157 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,040 Speaker 1: never she never knew. She's like, she's only known me 1158 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,240 Speaker 1: as a media guy. And I'm like, no, this is 1159 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:43,160 Speaker 1: what we did here. 1160 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,320 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm gonna be ho. I'm gonna be honest with you. 1161 01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,560 Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't realize you were that deep. I'm 1162 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,320 Speaker 3: not to extend this, but I didn't realize you were 1163 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,040 Speaker 3: that deep into the front office as you were. Now 1164 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,400 Speaker 3: makes a little bit more sense why I appreciate your 1165 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,880 Speaker 3: hand of journalism in media, because you know what I mean, 1166 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,800 Speaker 3: Like you said, Mark West, the people you've been around, 1167 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,800 Speaker 3: You've been exposed, the exposure at that level. Emphasize front 1168 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,560 Speaker 3: offices and NBA locker rooms. It leads you to another lens. 1169 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,480 Speaker 3: You can. You understand why people make certain decisions, You 1170 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,320 Speaker 3: understand the human side of players, you understand the business, 1171 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,120 Speaker 3: you understand how much the need to og. So just 1172 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,720 Speaker 3: as a fan, I'm just it makes sense now to 1173 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,720 Speaker 3: me while I gravitated the way you told stories because 1174 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,720 Speaker 3: you were exposed around a lot of the ogs and 1175 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,480 Speaker 3: people that I was to around the same time. So 1176 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,320 Speaker 3: we really appreciate you coming on and we're looking forward 1177 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,840 Speaker 3: to this. Ain't the only one. You're gonna be helped 1178 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,960 Speaker 3: to have enough on Forgotten Seasons, diving into some other 1179 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,840 Speaker 3: subjects and uh and in the spirit of our organics 1180 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,360 Speaker 3: partnership going. So we really appreciate it. 1181 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,640 Speaker 1: Bro, Thanks cousin. Thanks's cousin. 1182 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:47,000 Speaker 3: Yes,