1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Ye, 2 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as 3 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: always so much for tuning in. Let's give it up 4 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: for the one and only super producer, Mr Max Williams, 5 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: and I love the energy, guys. Let's also let's see 6 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: also give it up for our research associate on this show, 7 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: this episode, Mr Max Williams. Okay, al right, okay, you 8 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: know what, you keep this up. Max, I'm gonna start 9 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: going in and doing some post production because I got 10 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: some opinions on these wos. I think, no, no, no, no, 11 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: don't don't do that to our listeners. Our listenership will 12 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: just fall off a cliff if you get in there. 13 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: Well they called me Ben uh and we are so 14 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: glad you're here, Ridiculous Historians, especially because you, like us, 15 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: are getting the chance to hang out with an actual 16 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: legend in the podcasting space. Uh, one of my dear friends, 17 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: co founder of this show. We hang out all the time, 18 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: and we still, for some reason, are our best friends. Uh. Folks, 19 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: Mr Noel Brown a wott have bit awkward if you 20 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: were talking about someone else and I was like, yeah, 21 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: that's true. I love that there. There's such a good 22 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: trope in in in in movies where there's like a 23 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: big speech where it's some you know, um family, you know, 24 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: patriarch announcing who his successor will be, or a king, 25 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: and then you see the one who thinks it's gonna 26 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: be him, all chuffed in the audience, and then it's 27 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: this other guy. I feel you. I feel that way 28 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: every time. Um okay, so you guys know I'm I'm 29 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: a sucker for advertising. I am so interested in nine 30 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: percent of all types of food. Ever, I feel that 31 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: way every time I have ordered fajitas in a restaurant, 32 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: you know where they sizzle and and I see somebody 33 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: coming out with a plate of sizzling fahitas and they 34 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: walk on bhy like my heartbreaks. That has nothing to 35 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: do with today's episode. That's just a universal human moment, folks. 36 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: May your fahitas come for you? Uh man, have you 37 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: seen that meme where it's the Alex Jones courtroom scene 38 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: where he and is like everybody at the Mexican restaurant 39 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: when someone orders sizzling fahitas, we're there with you. We 40 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: have like so one thing that we really wanted to 41 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: make like a day one rule when we started Ridiculous 42 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: History number of years ago is we wanted to find 43 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: these sort of universal truths. We wanted to correct the 44 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: misconception that history is just a bunch of words and 45 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: dusty textbooks. Uh, the people in these stories are very 46 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: much like you. They're very much like us, regardless of 47 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: how they may be portrayed, regardless of what they're known for. 48 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: And one of the reasons we did a classic episode 49 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: earlier this week, Noel, you and I A long time ago, 50 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: we did episode just on presidential pets because, like many 51 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: of our favorite episodes, we had this conversation off air 52 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: about about pets and we were like, well, a lot 53 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: of people have pets, and then before you know it, 54 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: we're Uh, We're sitting there frantically searching on our phones 55 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: about statistics of cat dog ownership in the US and abroad, 56 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: and then we stumbled on this idea of presidents also 57 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: being human and having pets. And uh, when Max forces 58 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: with us and classed up the show a little, we found, Noel, 59 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: that are are good pal. Mr Williams is also a 60 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: cat lover. Now do you think we should uh, I 61 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: think we should talk about cats for a second, well, 62 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: I think we must and I actually it was introduced 63 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: to a new to me term um that you you 64 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: you guys may be familiar with. But the idea of 65 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: of being a cat daddy, cat and daddy, yeah, cat daddy. 66 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: I think it's like, I think there's some sexual vibes 67 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: to it where you're sort of like a burly dude 68 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: who who has lots of cats, a bit of of 69 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: a of a bear, you know, like a like it's 70 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: like a leather daddy, but it's a cat daddy, So 71 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: I think it implies sensitivity, um, but also you know, 72 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: brute strength and potentially down to clown in this in 73 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: the bedroom. I don't know, it's just it's just a guess. 74 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: Maybe I wasn't actually introduced to the true meaning with 75 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: that whatever I heard ddy thrown around, I can't not 76 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: think that. But yeah, I've become a bit of a 77 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: cat daddy of late, I have to um of Vanessa 78 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: and kom and um, I know you have one that 79 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: shall not be named, isn't that right? And then also 80 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: Dr Vankman, Yes, that's correct. No, I have two cats. 81 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: One is named Dr Vankman, which is an amazing name. 82 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: I can say that because it wasn't my idea. Uh. 83 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: The second is a cat with many many names. You 84 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: may see him occasionally, may hear him occasionally on the air. 85 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: And uh Max Max Jaman you have since you said, 86 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: we can say Max stands for whatever. Max. You have 87 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: a cat as well, who we talked about in the 88 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: past on our episodes. Oh yeah, yeah, my Sylvia, who 89 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 1: I have a ceramic Sylvia right here for us to see. 90 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: It's terrifying, but I have my Sylvia, who is a 91 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: loud cat. She's a rescue herself. Though I can we 92 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: have one cat because she would try to kill any 93 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: other cats around. But uh yeah, I grythin assessment of 94 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: what a cat daddy is and I can say that 95 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: I fully am one. Okay, I'm proud of that. Alright, 96 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: cat daddy's We're also going to introduce you to a 97 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: another cat daddy, one of historical note folks, you you 98 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: may remember one Abraham Lincoln as a famous trash talking wrestler. 99 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: Fun note he was also president of the US once 100 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: upon the time. But for our purposes today, the main 101 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: thing we want to talk about is that Lincoln was 102 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: a cat daddy, as you would say, nol yeah, possibly 103 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: like one of the o G cat. I don't know. Cats. 104 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: Cats are ancients, pats domesticated cats, you know, all the 105 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: way back to you know, the Egyptians and stuff that 106 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: there's so much cat imagery and a lot of their 107 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: you know, hieroglyphs and things like that. There was cat worship, 108 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: even a lot of deities that resembled cats and the like. 109 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, ab Lincoln uh, definite cat daddy. Um he 110 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: uh was the sixteenth president of course of these United States, 111 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: and he was just bananas for for for kiddies. He 112 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: would just play with them, presumably spoke to them directly 113 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: for like like extended periods of time. That's right, we 114 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: we know you'll recall also, I believe from our previous 115 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: Presidential Pets episode that was more focused on the dog side, 116 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: or maybe it was this episode into itself, I can't remember. 117 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: We definitely talked about Fido, which is like sort of 118 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: become this like cliche kind of stand in for dog, 119 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: kind of like xerox is to you know, mimiographs or 120 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: whatever or carper machines. Fido mainly from cartoons. I've never ever, 121 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: in a million years known a person with a dog 122 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: named Fido because it's so cliche that no one would 123 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: ever do it. But it's like you see in bugs 124 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: Bunny cartoons like hey Fido, come here, boy fight whatever. 125 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: And it was because of of President Lincoln's dog, Fido, 126 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: who they had to leave back home in Springfield, Illinois, 127 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: where we're from, because the dog was a little skittish, 128 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: not to take too well to excitement and chaos that 129 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: comes along with, you know, being elected president. So they 130 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: adopted the dog out to some some neighbor friends. Um, 131 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: but kitties, as we know, are a little more resilient, 132 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: I would argue, Um, for better or for worse. I mean, 133 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: I would also argue that kiddies, you know, don't give 134 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: a f you know when it comes to like people 135 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: and dogs are much more doting. But Lincoln believed that 136 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: the kiddies were. He he liked something about that vibe, 137 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: the way that they kind of just you know, we're 138 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: a little indifferent. But also you know, snuggly, especially kittens. 139 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: He loved kittens, was always rescuing him, snuggling them and whatnot. Yeah, 140 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: he's a kitten guy, and he uh, you know. One 141 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: time someone asked Lincoln's spouse, Mary Todd Lincoln, and they said, 142 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: just did your husband have a hobby? Does the old 143 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: man have a hobby? And she just said yes, cats. 144 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: He was elected president, had to bid fond farewell off. 145 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: He just ain't to Fido, and Secretary of State at 146 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: the time, William Seward, said, I can't let it in 147 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: this way. So he gave the president two kittens as 148 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: a gift, sort of a congratulations, sort of a surprise. 149 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: And the President, old Abe was all about these cats. 150 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: He named them Tabby and Dixie, and he did things 151 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: that are familiar to a lot of people who get 152 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: uh very far in the extreme cat loving spectrum. Uh. 153 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: He once had a formal dinner at the White House 154 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: and had Tabby over and fed her at the table. 155 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: No report on what the other attendees, the human attendees 156 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: of the dinner thought, but Mary Todd was kind of embarrassed. 157 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: She said, this action is shameful in front of our guests. 158 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: And then this is when Abes trash talking wrestling comes back. 159 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: He's got a clap back, dude. Yeah, he said something 160 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: to the effect of, uh, if this golden spoon is 161 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: worthy of the former president James Buchanan, Well, I think 162 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: it is good enough for the Tabby. For Tabby, I 163 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: guess that's meant to be a dig at James Buchanan. 164 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: Uh is that is? That? Is that right? I mean 165 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: it's a little little column, a little column b. It's 166 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: partly a dig at Buchanan's partially saying my cat's awesome, 167 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: though it's a big up to Tabby, A bit of 168 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: a day to to Buchanan. You know what I like 169 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: about Lincoln though, he really is you know, one of 170 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: the first kind of like kind of fish out of 171 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: water presidents. You know, he was sort of this hay 172 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: seed that kind of like took his country ways to 173 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: the White House. And it's like, you know, I just 174 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: picture him like wearing shoes look like up toe poking 175 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: out of the shoe because his warm as he doesn't 176 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: he refuses to get a new pair of shoes until 177 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: they're purely worn out. And you know, Mary Todd was 178 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: just a little bit more trying to adapt to this. 179 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, this is just my imagination running wild here, 180 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: but the wrestling and just the kind of outdoors men 181 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: Lee Beardy nest of Lincoln just really does make me 182 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: see him as this kind of like fun fish out 183 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: of water, you know, Washington. Mr Lincoln goes to Washington 184 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: kind of story. Yeah, yeah, and his he had a 185 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: quite strange, dare I say unprecedented rise to the position 186 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: of Commander in chief. It's the story for another day. 187 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: We're Ridiculous Cats in this episode, we're Ridiculous cats talking 188 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: about cats as someone work on that, we'll fix it 189 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: and post. Lincoln has this friend named Caleb, Caleb Carmen, 190 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: and Caleb is the guy who tells us about how 191 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: Abe would talk to his cats. He would just choose 192 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: one at random, either Tabby or Dixie. He would pick 193 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: it up and he would just talk to it for 194 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: thirty minutes, you know, all the like. Imagine Abraham Lincoln 195 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: doing baby talk to cats. That's what he was. And 196 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: also I want to point out about domestication. Cats are 197 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: really interesting. Cats domesticated themselves. They're not truly domestic cadid creatures. 198 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: They just hung out in um. What you could argue 199 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: is uh mutualism in terms of organisms interacting. But cats, 200 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: unlike dogs, were not really domesticated by people. That's why 201 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: if you have cats, if you live with cats, I 202 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't say own them. If you live with them. That's 203 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: why they have a lot of natural wild animal tendencies. 204 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: It wasn't bred out of them. That's why if they 205 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: think you can't hunt, or they think you're getting a 206 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: little skinny and they want to impress you, they go 207 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: and you know, they catch a mouse and they bring 208 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: it to you and eviscerated and make this weird sort 209 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: of grand dunal tapestry. For I think we've all experienced that, right, absolutely, Yeah, 210 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: Now it's true, like um with the I think I 211 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: talked about a previous cat that I had that would 212 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: just leave these like weird assembly bits of severed parts 213 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: from various animals, like in these you know, true detective 214 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: esque array is like on the porch, like like with 215 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: a little garland of grass, you know, around the end 216 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: of a mouse and the body. Yeah, it's it's truly 217 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: maccab And then there's one time, my why this is 218 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: this is an ongoing thing and like you know, people 219 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: always say, oh, they're just they're they're they're trying to 220 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: give you a present. I'm like, I think it's a threat. 221 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: I think it's a threat. It's like this could be you, 222 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like also it's it's a 223 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: sort of their way of saying, you suck at hunting. 224 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: Here learn but but yeah, but Lincoln, Lincoln had all 225 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 1: these cat owner moments. You're listening, if you're listening in 226 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: the year this comes out, Folks, you're listening, and if 227 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: you have a cat, you probably have some questions or 228 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: observations about your own little fur ball of fury. Lincoln 229 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: has all your same questions, all your same fascinations. One time, 230 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: he gets pissed at his cabinet in his first term 231 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: as precedent, and he says, this is a quote. He says, 232 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: Dixie is smarter than my whole cabinet. And furthermore, she 233 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: doesn't talk back. He was. He was not cool with it. 234 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: He also, by the way, didn't just stick with Dixie 235 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: and Tabby. He would find stray cats and sometimes he 236 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: would bring him home or they would follow him home. 237 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: And this happens often. It doesn't just happen in d C. 238 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: One time he was meeting with General Ulysses S. Grant, Yes, 239 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: that General Grant, who later became president himself. He's meeting 240 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: with him City Point, Virginia. There's a siege happening. It's 241 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: the siege of Petersburg March eighteen six, and Lincoln is 242 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: having problems paying attention to the general during the siege 243 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: because part way through he's going, well, hold on, hold on, 244 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: you're here. That sounds like sounds like kittens. Yes, it does. 245 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: And if you hear that, move aside, General, there's kittens 246 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: in need. There's an animal in trouble. Anybody who has 247 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: kid wonder wonder pets, that's what that's what hey. Lincoln 248 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: was like his ears would perk up and he go 249 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: the phone, the phone is ringing, and anything's running and 250 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: rescue the kittens. And there are accounts of the way 251 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: he would just dote on these rescue kittens. A guy 252 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: named Admiral David Porter, in what I would argue as 253 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: a bit of a subtweet, says he was struck by 254 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: the side of the president quote tenderly caressing three straight kittens, 255 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: and that it well illustrated the kindness of the man's 256 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: disposition and showed the childlike simplicity with which was mingled 257 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: with the grandeur of his nature. A little bit of 258 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: a isn't that a little bit of a backhanded compliment 259 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: the childlike simplicity? Yeah, I could say I could say 260 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of it's edits ororeal license at 261 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: the very least right, and and he also the same guy. 262 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: Admiral Porter also says Lincoln would talk to the cats 263 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: and be like kitties. Then god, you are cats and 264 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: can't understand this terrible strife that's just going on. Who's 265 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: your widow, pretty widow? Fooball, pay no attention, pay no 266 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: attention to this civil war. We find ourselves in the 267 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: midst of max Is above our attempts to do Lincoln 268 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: baby talk. I see you mane zie and weird. Yeah, 269 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: we definitely did. But yeah, I mean he also like, 270 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, again, this is like a wartime president. He's 271 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: he's going to back to his his presidential tent or whatever. 272 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: And he says to a colonel, I leans in and says, 273 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: I hope you will see that these poor little motherless 274 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: waives are given plenty of milk and treated kindly. And no, 275 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: he's not referring to actual like orphans. He's referring to kitties, Maxican. 276 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: We sound cute and all they're like the most obnoxious 277 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: cutesy Ah. There it is perfect. It does seem like 278 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: he was a good guy. I will say, I mean, 279 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: you know, presidents are complicated, history is complicated. We know 280 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: that that Lincoln wasn't like perfect. He really is held 281 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: up there as this like you know, paragon of like 282 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, um presidential empathy and like he you know, 283 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: he's he free the slaves. He was the greatest man 284 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: ever lived. But we know that that that there was 285 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: some you know, complexities to that. But it will I 286 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: will say that for his time, this whole all this 287 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: kitty love really makes me feel like he had a 288 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, had a pretty good heart. I would say, well, yeah, 289 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: let me to that point about complexity. Let me let 290 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 1: me bring into the conversation a quotation that Max found 291 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: that go into your note about subtweets Snoll and also 292 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: going to the note about complexity. There's a Treasury official, 293 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: Mansell B. Fields, which is a weird name, uh, who 294 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: writes about Lincoln in the following way. He says, President 295 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln quote possessed extraordinary kindness of heart when his 296 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: feelings could be reached. What he says, he was fond 297 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: of dumb animals, especially cats. I've seen him fondle one 298 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: for an hour. Fondle meant something very different back then 299 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: helplessness and suffering touched him when they appealed directly to 300 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: his senses or when you could penetrate through his intelligence 301 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: to them. So it sounds like he's saying, uh, there's 302 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: some kind of wall around Lincoln's mind, right, like only 303 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: like he may be hardhearted or cold to a lot 304 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: of human beings, but if you're infantile enough or feel 305 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: it enough, arguably, then all of a sudden, he's your 306 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: biggest fan. Does that feel like a subtweet to you? 307 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: It's just it gets me where he says possessed extraordinary 308 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: kindness of heart when his feelings could be reached right 309 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: and implied that he was a bit of I don't know, 310 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: a tough nut to crack, and then he and then 311 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: maybe it's like, you know, all this kitten love and 312 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: stuff is like that is a way that maybe a 313 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: person that is typically not able to be emotionally vulnerable, 314 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, to humans, is able to exhibit that level 315 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: of vulnerability. But only two creatures, you know. It strikes 316 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: strikes me as that that that Lincoln would have been 317 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: a very perhaps a difficult man and uh and an 318 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: emotionally you know, guarded man, but with the kiddies. He 319 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 1: could just let it all hang out, you know. Yeah, 320 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: a dent. And again to the point about Fido that 321 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: we raised earlier. Uh, Lincoln was a yes, all pets 322 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: kind of dude. He you know, there's a great ongoing 323 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: debate nowadays about whether someone is a dog or a 324 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: cat person. Lincoln rejects these labels. He had tons of 325 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: pets during his life, even had a pig. That's a 326 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: true story, but that is a sad story. And on 327 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: the advice of our pal Max, we are leaving it 328 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: out of the narrative unless you have a declaration to 329 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: make about this, Max for ridiculous historians. Oh, I have 330 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: a declation, Maka. I actually wrote in the in the brief, 331 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: this is too heartbreaking the start. We're not going to 332 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: talk about it. That's it. Yeah, okay, well that's we 333 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: set you up to confirm that, all right. So if 334 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: you are feeling in too good of a mood, if 335 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: you're having too good of a day and you need 336 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: to take it down and notch, look up Lincoln's pet pig. 337 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: So we talked about other pets Lincoln had. In a 338 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: previous episode, we mentioned his dogo Fido. We should also 339 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: note that Lincoln had multiple ponies. They technically belonged to 340 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: his sons, but come on, he was there, and he was, 341 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: you know, chuffing with them and and petting their manes 342 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: and saying like I wish you were the secretary of 343 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: Defense or whatever. And then he had a white rabbit. 344 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: He had two goats. We know the names of the goats, 345 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: Nanco and Nanny. He had another dog named Jip. And 346 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: he was associated with a pet turkey once upon a time. Yeah, yeah, 347 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: he had yeah, exactly. Uh Jack was that was the 348 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: name of the of the turkeys. There was Jip the 349 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: dog and Jack the turkey. Sounds like a classic setup 350 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: for an animated pair of adventurers. Yeah, I'm thinking of 351 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: Jake the dog and Finn the human. The funnel never end, 352 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: It's adventure time, lovely show. Um, so yeah we we. 353 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: We can now probably move on to a president. And 354 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: I don't typically think of um Franklin Pierce. I think 355 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: that's probably true for most folks. He wasn't really considered 356 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 1: one of the best presidents. I didn't do anything outward 357 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: and horrific. He was just he was just a little 358 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: bit of a turd, you know. He was like a 359 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: bad outfielder, you know, he's just kind of it's kind 360 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: of stood around. He did he did the open trade 361 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: relationship with Japan, which was kind of a big deal. Right, 362 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: I don't know why I need the guy so are there. 363 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: That's a big deal. But he really isn't a president 364 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: that you know, comes to mind as like being like 365 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: one of the greats. Uh. He thought abolition was a 366 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: fundamental threat to the United States. So it's very pro slavery. 367 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: Just gonna pop that in there, whatever you think of 368 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: Franklin Pierce. Yeah, that's that's his that's where he's calling from, 369 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: as rum M Carver would say. But he did have pets, 370 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: didn't he. That's why we're talking about. Yeah, and and 371 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: then then you know, it seems like some of this 372 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: maybe stemmed from that that relationship with Japan. He had 373 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: He had dogs that were some of the earliest examples 374 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: of the breed known as the Japanese chin um, which 375 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: were huge in Japan. But they yes, right, they're they're 376 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: small everywhere, but they're very popular in Japan. And this 377 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: is like sort of an example of them coming over 378 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: here for the first time. Uh, they're which you would 379 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: call toy dogs, you know, um toy sized dogs, like 380 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: like miniature, which I believe is Isn't that a process 381 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: that requires some pretty gnarly in breeding and weird breeding pressing. Yeah, yeah, 382 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 1: it's kind of eugenics. Yeah, I mean, dog breeding in 383 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: general gets pretty crazy. And maybe we can do a 384 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: history of dog breeding in the future, but Yukonuba definitely 385 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: will not sponsor that because it gets dark really quickly. 386 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: You're you're right, No, you're absolutely right. Uh he he did, 387 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: as you said, open trade relations with Japan, and that 388 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: was quite a coupe because Japan had for many, many years, centuries, 389 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: they had closed their borders to almost every foreign trading party. 390 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: So he sends this guy named Matthew Perry, US representative, 391 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: also commodore. Commodore Matthew Perry goes back to the States 392 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: after cracking this deal with Japan, and he says, hey, 393 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: President Pierce, I got you something. Here are the seven 394 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: very tiny dogs. And they're not just tiny, their teacup size, 395 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: so any dog Fishionado knows that as the tiniest absolute 396 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: tiniest dog. And they were called I believe they were 397 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: called sleeve dogs because if you had the right kind 398 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: of outfit, like say a kimono. You could fit them 399 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: up in your sleeve. I guess they're you know what 400 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: they are. They're like a in my head, dude. They're 401 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: like a predecessor of the emotional support animal that is 402 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: so popular now. Yeah, um, you know it's funny. It's 403 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: just a back duck really quickly. It's a little trivia moment. 404 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: Not really trivia, I guess, but you I know you 405 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: from you're familiar with the Cohen Brothers anthology Western The 406 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: Ballot of Buster scrugs uh. And there's one of the 407 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: chapter is this that's one of the longer ones, and 408 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: it's it's really really good, incredible twist, very sad um 409 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: but excellence, called the Gal who Got Rattled, And in 410 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: it there is a dog named President Pierce. It takes 411 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: place presumably during this time. Um, so they knew about 412 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: Pierce and it seemed seemed fits. But I believe it 413 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: was even like it was her brother's dog and he's 414 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: kind of an idiot politically, and so I think there 415 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: was this this um the sense that Pierce wasn't a 416 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: particularly good president, but his brother like supported him and 417 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: therefore naing the dog after him. Uh, and it might 418 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: be I might be misreading that, but it did just 419 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: occur to me. Yeah, and so these dogs are not 420 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: universally loved. You could say, we'd like to introduce a 421 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: character named Verena Davis. She was the spouse of a 422 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: guy who was serving as the Secretary of War at 423 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 1: the time. One of Max's favorite political figures in US history, 424 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: guy named Jefferson Davis. Now, Max, you have a sound 425 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: cue for us. Yes. Also, I just want to stay 426 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: it very clearly that Ben was being sarcastic when he 427 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: said one of my favorite political figures. I really do 428 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: not want anyone out there thinking I like Jefferson Davis 429 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: of all people. So you've heard it conclusively. Uh. If 430 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: you are a fan of Jefferson Davis, then please follow 431 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: Max on Twitter. Uh, so you guys can talk about it. Uh, 432 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: he is are you trying to No? No, no, no, Max, 433 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: being a tremendously good person, also knows that Jefferson Davis 434 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: is a piece of wet garbage. So anyhow to his 435 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: friends j D to his friends, Yeah, they're all terrible people. Yeah, 436 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: you knail, you brought it home. Yeah. So now that 437 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: we're done dancing, on the grave of that terrible person. 438 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: Let's point out that his wife had some opinions regarding 439 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: Pierces dogs. She described the dogs, these seven dogs, who 440 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: are again tiny, as having quote head like a bird 441 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: with a blunt beak, eyes large and popped, and a 442 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: body like a newborn puppy of the smallest kind. And 443 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: then she said they can scamper around on a coffee sauce. 444 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: They're so tiny. And we don't know if she loved 445 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: them or if she hated them, but that gives you 446 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: a sense of how how small these sleeve dogs were. 447 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: Pierce loved them, by the way. He was over the moon. Uh, 448 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: nobody could say that, Like if you've ever hung out 449 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: with your friends who are clearly treating a small dog 450 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: as their child, and you know they're saying stuff like, oh, well, 451 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, we shouldn't eat waffles in front of Rupert 452 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: because it offends his sensibilities. He's a sensitive boy. This 453 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: is how Pierces with his dogs. And he kept showing 454 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: like he One day showed up to talk with Jefferson 455 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: Davis more like Jevis to du Fis. He shows up 456 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: at the Davis place and he says, generally have a 457 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: dog for you. And then uh, Pierce gives one of 458 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: these seven tiny dogs to Secretary Jefferson Davis. You suck, 459 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: you sucked, Davis go home, turns and Davis Davis names 460 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: this dog. He accepts the dog, accepts delivery of the dog. 461 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: He names it bon In b O N I N 462 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: and named dogs by Bonin and Uh. He carries little 463 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: bon In around in his pocket. So we can only 464 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: imagine this is just us guessing, felt ridiculous historians. We 465 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: can only imagine that a multiple times during his life 466 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: someone asked, Jefferson Davis, is that a bone in your pocket? 467 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: Are you just happy to see me? Why? Why does 468 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: it have to be one or the other? Why? Why 469 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: does the why are those things mutually exclusive? Right? Good question? 470 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: Lost to history maybe, And so he gives the uh. 471 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: He only keeps one of these seven dogs. He gives 472 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: the others to his friends. Like we mentioned, uh, mr 473 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: boo hiss Davis. And we don't know much about how 474 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: these dogs lives went. We know that they were for 475 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: a time, they were kind of like an important political currency, right, 476 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: You were able to convey favor if you were Franklin 477 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: Pierce by saying, hey, here's one of my exclusive run dogs. 478 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: And uh. This did always remind people of trade relations 479 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: with Japan. As weird as it sounds, those very little 480 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: dogs made some very big history. So let's move on 481 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: to America's first and so far only bachelor president. Let's say, uh, 482 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: as as you noted Max, just because he didn't take 483 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: a spouse, I mean to have a partner, but an 484 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: official partner. Just because he didn't take a spouse didn't 485 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: mean he didn't enjoy some companionship. Walked through those multiple 486 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: negatives on your own, folks. He had a pair of dogs. Uh. 487 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: He also had eagles. He had a legit pair of 488 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: bald eagles. So America, man, I know, I know, uh, 489 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: and they would He was not one of those people 490 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: who were clipping the wings and keeping them in cages. 491 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: He attained these eagles. They were not domesticated, of course, 492 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: they're not domesticated animals, but he attained them to the 493 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: point where they would fly away from their cages and 494 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: then they would come back. They just liked hanging out. 495 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: They associated Buchanan with um with a good life, which 496 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the US rightly did not 497 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: at the time. But now for a little bit of 498 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: a quick run trivia game or a laundry list, nol. 499 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: I propose that we just round robin the many many 500 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: pets A former president Rutherford B. Hayes. Great name, by 501 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: the way, I've always liked Rutherford. It's just an old 502 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: timey name, you know. It's a name you can't see. 503 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: This got a good mouth feel. It just kind of 504 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: rolls around in there. Yes, yeah, it really does. First off, 505 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: we have Hector. The Newfoundland dog is a breed of 506 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: of Newfoundland of Newfoundlandic origin, Duke possibly English Massiff, but 507 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: don't d us. Yeah, some of these they're there. You know, 508 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: there's some speculation as to the breed. We've got Grim. 509 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: I think it's a cool name for a greyhound, especially 510 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: they are very dire looking creatures. Otis mini toure full 511 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: are just too much too Germany. Yeah. Yeah. And then 512 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: we've got Dot, a Cocker Spaniel Juno and shep to 513 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: hunting dogs. Sheep is a great name for a dog, 514 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: by the way. Um, we've got Jeff is almost my name. 515 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: Thank god I got in a car accident on the 516 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: way to the Yeah true story anyway, Jet Wow, my 517 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: name was almost Lyle that's a good name. I know, 518 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: we we we we love a lile. He's a he's 519 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: a dear friend of us both. But it would have 520 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: been awkward if you had the same name. But I 521 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: think actually don't like crossed it off my birth certificate 522 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: or something. But that that's that. That could just be 523 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: Lower Noel Brown Lower. Next guy can call me Shepherd 524 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: if you want Jets. Yes, Jet is a mutton. Uh. 525 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: And I would like to propose that I remained the 526 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: primary shep of this show. Shepherd im in troubled Uh. Siam, who, 527 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: funnily enough is this is a cat fact hashtag cat fact. 528 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: Siam is the first Siamese kitten to reach North America. Wow, 529 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: and a burst of creativity, as you would say, really 530 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: really leaned into that one. Uh, that's one. I'm sorry 531 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: you gotta say this one with a mint. Julia Boys 532 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: Stewart miss pussy who was another sign he's cat. And 533 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: then there's Piccolini. Picco You've got to raise your fish 534 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: in like a little cadence, you know, with your touching 535 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: your middle finger to your thumb. Piccolomini is a cat. 536 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: It sounds like an Italian restaurant. I love it. And 537 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: then we just have a goat. Yeah, but who knows. 538 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: I want to know more about this mysterious goat. Mr President, 539 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: what's your goats name? Leave? You have to leave now? Uh? Yeah, 540 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: the goat probably had a big, big voice in policy. 541 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: Then he had a mocking bird, but that wasn't the 542 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: only bird he had. He had four canaries as well. Yeah, 543 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: he got some cows. That's how you know you're making it. 544 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: Back then he had Jersey cows. He also had Yeah, 545 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: they were they were pedigreed, by the way, not just 546 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: any run of the mill Jersey cows. These where these 547 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: were these were pure bred Jersey cows. And then he 548 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: also had several carriage horses. And this is even more 549 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: impressive when, as you pointed out, Max, we realized this 550 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: guy served only one term as president, so he was 551 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: spending a lot of time at the petting zoo basically. 552 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: And so now let's give an honorable mention to former 553 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: President Millard Fillmore. We don't know a ton about his 554 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: pets other than a couple of ponies he had Mason 555 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: and Dixon, get it. But he definitely cared about animals. 556 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: This was something new to me until I didn't know 557 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: this until we went into the research. But he helped 558 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: found a chapter of the American Society for Prevention of 559 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: Cruelty to Animals or ASPCA in his hometown in Buffalo, 560 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: New York, all the way back in March of eighteen 561 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: sixty seven. And this wasn't just a pr thing for him, 562 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: like he honestly cared about it. He led local meetings, 563 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: he would use he did this three was president. Obviously 564 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: he used his juice, his political capital too, like influence 565 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: the laws to change laws so that animals in Buffalo 566 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: would be treated better, which is that's cool, right? Yeah? Man? 567 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: You know. And one thing that's it's a commonality in 568 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: the in these cases is usually you see that the 569 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: presidents that had the most pets and that treated them well, 570 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: we're probably relatively not beastly human beings. And it's always 571 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: a little sketchy when you have a president that doesn't 572 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: take a pet, because it's such a tradition to have 573 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: a presidential pet. The ones that don't must really hate animals. 574 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: That's my theory. I don't know what you think about that. Okay, 575 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: we have to talk about it. Then we have to 576 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: talk about it. Because we looked into this, folks, there 577 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: is one president that may have not had a pet. 578 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: And now history is a little unclear on this, and 579 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: we have, you know, we have a silver lining at 580 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,479 Speaker 1: the end of the show here. But of the few 581 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: presidents who were thought to have not had any pets 582 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: at all, one of the ones who stands out to 583 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: us is former US President James K. Polk. You won't 584 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: find any canonical historical mention of him being a pet guy. 585 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: A cat daddy, he is not. But we know he's 586 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: good with horses, so you would have to assume he 587 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 1: had some sort of relationship with various steeds. And then 588 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: of course there's Andrew Johnson. Now, Andrew Johnson is a 589 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: little bit of a in my head, he's a little 590 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: bit of a ratitude president. What do I mean by that, Well, 591 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: he never formally had pets, but the guy loved mice 592 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: and he didn't want to kill him, and he would leave, 593 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: you know, little like pieces of cheese out there. I 594 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: like the idea of him doing the radituy thing all 595 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: the way, you know what I mean? Like, I like 596 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: the idea of a mouse under a hat was president. 597 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: The mouse was the president the whole time. He was 598 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: the brains operation. No. I love that Ben. That is that. 599 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how much brains was going into the 600 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: Johnston administration though, I'm clear not not much hot take 601 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: hot historical presidential take when it comes to Johnston. I 602 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: don't think it's really even that hot of a take. Honestly, 603 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: I just don't know. I just don't really know much 604 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: about him. He was, he was one of he was. 605 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: He was kind of a monster, right, He was a 606 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: known bad dude. He kind of killed reconstruction. Yeah, he 607 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: he was not what we would call a banger of 608 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: a president today. First president to be impeached. I'm not 609 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: sure if I mentioned this in the past, but even 610 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,720 Speaker 1: if you go to his hometown and you ask people 611 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 1: about him, they'll say, yeah, not that, not that great. 612 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: He's not He's not anybody's favorite except maybe some some mice. 613 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 1: Maybe you know, it's really weird. Uh. I just looked 614 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 1: up some fun facts about President Andrew Johnson. Apparently he 615 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: escaped from indentured servitude. One would think someone who had 616 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: escaped from indentured servitude would have a unique position to 617 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 1: be anti slavery. He he was unique in many ways, 618 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: so like he was the only Southern senator who states 619 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: the seeded from the Union, who showed back up at 620 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,399 Speaker 1: his job, like all of them just laughing. The seed 621 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: he was from Tennessee. He just showed back up and 622 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: just kind of he wasn't Abraham Lincoln's first um VP. 623 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: It was when leacoln won reelection, like, hey, this is 624 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: our it was coming becoming pretty clear how the war 625 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: was gonna go. This is our alive branch. We have 626 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 1: this guy who is flip parties. He's a Republican now, 627 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: but he's a Southerner. And then he Lincoln got assassinated, 628 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: which was actually a three prong assassination tamp It was Lincoln, Johnson, 629 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: and Seward they went after and Stewart survived. Lincoln obviously 630 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: did not. Johnson became president and uh yeah six temper 631 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: tyrannus and all that. Yeah, so funny story. Again, I 632 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: think I mentioned this on the air, but there's a 633 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: little town called Greenville, Tennessee that is very Andrew Johnson 634 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 1: branded of a treehouse there that I sleep in. Sometimes 635 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: true story. I'm not gonna explain it. And even if 636 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: you go there and you ask people about Johnson, they 637 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: will all say, uh yeah, I mean he was a president, 638 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: and as we closed today's episode, we do have to 639 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: have one last dubious mention. Uh that was very important 640 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: to our guest research associate, Mr Max Williams. That is 641 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: the most recent president, the president. How many how many 642 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: pets did have Max? We talked about this from part one. Well, 643 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: I mean he had Eric, he had I'm not gonna 644 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: stays gonna kiss some people. Now, he did not have 645 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 1: any pets. He was very adamant about not having a pet. 646 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,839 Speaker 1: It's funny is when writing the stuff I had nature 647 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: to listen through the original episode and Mr No you 648 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: made you noted that You're like, yeah, it's really where 649 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,919 Speaker 1: this guy dosn't have a pet. Maybe he maybe he'll 650 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: get one eventually, because like like when I was doing 651 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: the research, I was like, yeah, like you know, like 652 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: like some other people didn't have pets. No, it really 653 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: looks like every single of them in some sort of 654 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: way had some sort of pet. Again, if only because 655 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 1: of the tradition of it all. Yeah, right, It's like 656 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: there's some really cute ones that I left out, like 657 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, H. W. Bush had his like bleep cocker 658 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: spaniel and then when w became president, he had one 659 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: of the puppies that his dad's cocker spaniel had had 660 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: while he was a white house. Look, it's just cute, 661 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: and it's a way to relate to them, to show that, like, hey, 662 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: they're humans. The publicity stun sometimes absolutely at this point, 663 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: want to thank you again, ridiculous historians for going on 664 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: this journey with us. Lincoln avowed cat Daddy. This has 665 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: been Presidential Pets Part two. Most importantly, folks, this is 666 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: the time when I revealed my ulterior motive. Get the 667 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: two ridiculous historians on Facebook and show us pictures of 668 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: your pets. I love when we get to do this. 669 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: Show us, yeah, listen, good ones out there for sure, 670 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,479 Speaker 1: and also shout out to the Presidential Pet Museum, which 671 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 1: is the thing. Presumably most of these animals are there 672 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: in taxidermy form I would hope preserved for future generations 673 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: to enjoy. What's sales position on taxidermy. By the way, 674 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 1: taxidermy of of beloved pets maccabre or or or totally on. 675 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: It's hard to say goodbye to yesterday man Boy's memoir, right, 676 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: especially if you're yesterday was the name of your beloved 677 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: cocker span that'd be a good name for a dog. Yeah, yeah, 678 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. It depends on whether canines uh fall 679 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: under the theory of nominative determinism. You know, if you 680 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: name a dog chomp, is it gonna bite someone? Well? 681 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 1: And and and then it begs the question, do in fact 682 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,840 Speaker 1: all dogs go to heaven? Uh? And do all dogs go? Direct? 683 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: Video and all dogs go to Heaven? Part two m 684 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: And with this, with these weighty philosophical conversations, we are 685 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,879 Speaker 1: going to uh. We are going to wait to hear 686 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: from you ridiculous historians. Will be back next week with 687 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: an episode on Pringles that you uh that it's gonna 688 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,760 Speaker 1: surprise you. It's it's going really weird places. We're excited 689 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 1: for you to hear it thinks as always to you 690 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Thanks to our super producer, Mr Max Williams, 691 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: our composer, we have one, Mr Alex Williams. And thanks 692 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: to let's see who else know who else? Who else? 693 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 1: Oh you know, Christopher hasciodes Us, Jeff Code here in 694 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: spirit elsewhere in the world doing great things. Our love 695 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 1: to you, bo uh. Jonathan Strickland, as you mentioned him, 696 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 1: I try not to It's okay because sometimes when you 697 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: say if you say his name too loudly into a glass, 698 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: darkly things happens. Sort of a candy man rules, you 699 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think we've passed the threshold 700 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: for his appearance and UH, special thanks, one last special 701 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,399 Speaker 1: thanks to all of our fellow ridiculous historians who are 702 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 1: out there volunteering with animal shelters, with animal rescue. UH. 703 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 1: This is often a volunteer driven enterprise. It's a nonprofit UH, 704 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,280 Speaker 1: and it can be really really tough work. But from 705 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,240 Speaker 1: all of us to all of you, thanks for thanks 706 00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: for being the good folks. We'll see you next time, folks. 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