WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 112721 Ahmaud Arbery Trial Verdict Reaction (Part B) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:00.920 And now. 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:05.560 Watch my back like. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:13.520 Strike Waters from Headquarters, Behind and the Border. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.000 If you're just tuning into Civic Cipher, I'm your host, 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:17.000 Ramsy's joh. 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:21.080 And my name is qu Ward listended. 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:23.840 And uh, I still want you to stick behind. We 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:25.040 got a lot more coming away. 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:25.360 Uh. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:31.160 We're going to talk about the Amad Aubrey verdicts uh 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:38.480 next a little bit more positive than the first half 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.479 of the show, hopefully, and we're going to take some 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:45.279 time to also discuss uh the origins of policing in 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:50.440 this country with our way Black History fact and you know, 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.920 we we were admittedly very critical of policing as an 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:59.280 institution on this show. We understand that it might be necessary, 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.400 but it could be better in our jobs to be 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.520 critical so that it can become better. So please stick 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:06.920 around for that as well. I think if you understand 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.600 the origins of policing, then you understand how the systems 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:15.200 began as oppressive and still maintained that oppressive culture about them. 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:20.440 But first, let us talk about how to become a 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:26.679 better ally. And so I want to talk about a 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.399 story my sources from CNN. I read an article about 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.960 CNN about this. This is really cool. I thought. Some 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.399 students at a Massachusetts high school held a walk out 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.319 to protest a racist video made by a white student, 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.040 to demand and to demand the change to the culture 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.679 of racism in the school district. A top school official set, 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.919 we heard them today, said Kevin W. Mulvey, who serves 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:54.000 as the super intendent of Quincy Public Schools. Speaking CNN, 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.080 he described to walk out as a protest against quote racism, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.800 hate speech, and injustice end quote knowledge that beyond the 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.480 recent video, students have made complaints in the past about 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:07.120 racism within the school district, saying the district confronted another 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.520 recent incident last week that included hate speech and sexual harassment. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.600 A white freshman made a video over a year ago 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.839 in which he used racist language, hate speech, and hate 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.880 speech against black people, and it recently resurfaced on social media. 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:25.760 According to the movie and a news release from school district, 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:27.960 a black student approached the white student about the video 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:32.920 and a physical altercation occurred on Tuesday. The white student 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.040 was injured and needed to be treated for head injuries. 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:40.480 Moby said. Students in the walkout called her disciplinary actions 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:44.919 against the white student no disciplination, this disciplinary actions against 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.520 the black student and immediate change as to how the 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:53.560 administration handles racism. This student and it handles racism, I say, 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.519 And so just a neat example of some folks coming 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.240 together and saying, you know what, this is not right, 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.760 not just a student, but the way that the system 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.239 is dealing with this student and folks getting together. This 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.680 is a young folks getting together using their privilege to 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:13.320 try to bring about some publicity to you know, the 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:15.320 changes that they want to see in the world. And 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:21.320 so I want to salute them as our better allies 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.720 and suggest that you, our listener, should aspire to become 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:29.720 more like them. Now a mod Aubrey. So, just like 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.880 with the first part of the show, Q, what are 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:38.680 your thoughts about the verdict the verdicts on that trial? 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.440 What do you think I'll say, how I actually feel? 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:51.360 Please relieved, because I've gotten to a point now where 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:58.480 I always expect people like this to get off, even 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.720 when we watch them murder us on video, I still 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:08.080 expect them to get off. Like Kyle Rittenhouse, it's not 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.680 that the trials are not even about whether or not 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.840 they did it. It's not like they have to launch 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.400 an investigation to figure out if these things happened or not. No, 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.960 the trials are about whether or not they're going to 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:23.680 be held accountable, and we're in a position where we 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:27.520 kind of always know that they won't be and in 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.720 the event that we are, we celebrate as if there's 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:38.160 some victory that happened. These people murdered a person on video, 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:46.480 Like what are we even waiting to see that? The 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.279 judge is going to say, I don't even understand, Like, 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:53.479 we wait in anticipation to see if these people who 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.520 we saw murder someone will be held accountable for that murder. 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:05.920 And in this instance they were, and there's some relief, 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.760 but there's no satisfaction. And I know people will be 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:14.160 listening like, well, hey, when Rittenhouse got off, you were 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:19.200 so upset, and now these guys are being held accountable. Yeah, 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:23.120 they're supposed to be held accountable. It's not like I'm 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:27.000 not asking that people get some type of excessive punishment 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.120 for what they do, and not asking that people be 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:34.080 punished more than they should be. But the absolute minimum 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:38.080 that we should expect when we watch three people murderer 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.400 person on video is that those three people are found 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:46.839 guilty of murder because we know they did it and 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:54.360 listening to their defense attorney paint a picture of a 0:05:54.400 --> 0:06:01.120 person that was beneath being held accountable for murdering, describing 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:08.360 him as dirty, reinforcing the idea that you know, they're 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:12.720 not even really people, they're not even really worth us 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:16.960 being so upset over and they've gotten She leaned into 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:18.680 it to a point where it was, where's blatant, It's 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:24.920 not even subliminal anymore? Right, You guys shouldn't punish these 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:30.240 men for hunting this man down and murdering him. What 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.320 was he even doing in that neighborhood? How dare he 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.880 feel like he should even be able to exist in 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:38.480 the same space as these people. 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:49.040 Well, one thing that I will say is that, unlike 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:59.039 the written house trial, the judge really felt like a 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:08.159 judge was there to make sure that everybody was held accountable. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:12.840 Everybody came correct. You understand. There was no Okay, we're 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.800 not going to use this language, and we're only going 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:16.280 to say this, and you can do this, but you 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.280 can't do that, and there's no funny business, right and 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.240 I get it, there's and I said this in the 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.200 first part of the show. There's a lot of inconsistencies 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.840 with the criminal justice system, and with the court system 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.480 was sentencing and so forth. And this is why we 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:33.960 say we look at trends. You know, I have a 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:38.560 good friend, her name is Alyssa, works in DC and 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.480 she follows trends right, And we had a conversation on 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:46.600 airplane one time where you know, when you take a 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.320 step back and you look at overall what's happening, then 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:57.200 you see how the system disproportionately affects black and brown 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:03.360 people and provides an advantage or you know, it provides 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:08.440 an advantage to folks who are less mellanated. We'll say, 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:15.480 but these incidents, these these instances, rather what we're looking 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.240 at is, especially with the Amaud Aubrey, we have a 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:23.679 judge who I feel is a little bit more judge 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:28.280 like when compared to the Written House trial, the prosecutor 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:34.840 was a little bit more on top of the game 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:41.760 than the defense attorney. What was at the I'm sorry, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.200 and then the prosecutor was in the in the written 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.280 House trial. And that's just a personal opinion. You know 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.880 that the prosecuting the Written House trial was talking about 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.040 like video games and do you play video games and 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.160 things like that really didn't have a really translated into results, 0:08:56.320 --> 0:09:00.920 you know, and they wouldn't. But you know, you, you're 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.520 you made an excellent point. None of that should matter 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.800 because it's literally on video. Okay, And and I'll say 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.679 it and and this is the one thing that I 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:13.000 loved about this trial is because you know, folks with 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:17.959 a little bit of sense could breathe a sigh of relief, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:22.319 you know when this verdict was read. If you show 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:28.080 up with the gun, you're the threat. That that is. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.240 That is a blanket statement across the board. You know, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.360 I mentioned all the time we've we've been very critical 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.240 of the way policing has been done in this country. 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.840 But this is something I wish every officer knew, you know, 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.280 as a constant, they should like put it as a 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.760 sticker in the car before they get out. If you 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.960 show up with the gun, you are the threat. 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:51.240 You know. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:55.520 That's That's what it is. Every every single creature endowed 0:09:55.520 --> 0:10:01.800 with consciousness, It has its customary right to to protect 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.240 its own life and to seek its customary freedom. There's 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.760 a fundamental fact of nature. Everything's going to try to 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.480 live right. And if you show up with the device 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.800 that is designed to end lives, then you're the threat. 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.959 And in this trial and a Marda Aubrey's trial, we 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.280 saw the video and we saw what happened. This guy 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.319 is doing his thing and you showed up with the gun, 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.520 and he was trying to defend himself from you, because 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.160 if you're just driven down the street, he wouldn't have 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:36.400 attacked you. You know, the same thing with the Kyle 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:42.199 Rittenhouse trial. But again we're coming to terms with Wow. 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:45.719 You know, there's a lot of strange things going on, 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:52.520 a lot of inconsistencies going on, you know, and and 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:57.800 you know I watched him read that verdict, and you're right, 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:03.880 there is no real satisfaction. You know. Relief is a 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.800 great word, because it's a very scary thing to feel 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:14.280 like despite these courtrooms all being different in different states, 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.880 with different laws and different on stand your ground over 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.280 here and you know whatever over there, different judges with 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.880 different you know, different juries, with different outlooks, whatever. But 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.560 to feel like you're gonna get a second gut punch 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.760 in the in the verdict of this Amad Aubrey trial, 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:33.679 that's a very scary feeling. So when they read the 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.080 guilty verdict, you know, I know that that sense of relief, 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.280 but You're right, there is no satisfaction there because immediately 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:45.560 after that, what they do they penned to his mother crying, 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:53.920 and then it hits you her son is gone. And 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.840 we're dealing with a court. We're not even dealing with 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.520 the fact. Okay, why are we mistreated each other? Why 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.720 are we so afraid of each other? Why do we 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:05.800 hate each other so much? Why are we not listening 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.840 to each other? You know, we're so far on on 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:15.040 on opposite ends of ideas, and and you know whatever, 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.440 we ask the question all the time, like why in 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:24.720 the world would people vote against their own interest? You know, 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:26.959 it's a it's a valid question, it makes a lot 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.040 of sense. But you know, as long as they can 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:34.360 vote for something that's not us, you know, then that 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.679 that's all that it is, you know. And and I 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.959 can appreciate that because I've cast my vote in that 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:43.640 same fashion before, because I'll vote for anything as long 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.560 as it's not Donald Trump that represents a threat to 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.160 my life. And you know, I could, I could make 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.199 an argument for that. And you know, so there's a 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:56.000 much bigger system that is causing issues like this to 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.200 happen in the first place. Before we even get to 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.280 the courts you got to go. It's it's a lot 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.360 of steps you got to get through to get to 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.440 a court deciding whether or not the person who killed 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:09.200 a person was guilty or innocent. You got the whole systemic. First, 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.160 you have the outlook, how do we view each other, 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.000 how do we interact with each other? Then you've got 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:20.560 a society, like a framework that reinforces subjugation. You know, 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.640 where people think, well, black people just go to jail 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.199 more because they're bad. There's people that really think that 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:28.880 they don't wrap their heads around it beyond that point 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:30.440 because they're not black. It's not their problem. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:30.920 You know. 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:36.679 Then you have to get through policing. You know, we 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.319 haven't even talked about school and education, the way that 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.320 the education system fails poor people, black and brown people, 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.760 et cetera. But you know, we'll get to policing. Then 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.080 you got to go into the criminal justice system. And 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.240 then if there's even charges brought, then you get to 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.120 the verdict. And so there's all these systems in place 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:57.040 that all these steps rather in place that you have 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:58.480 to get through before you can get to that point. 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:03.080 And so yeah, to know that we got all the 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.559 way to the end, and there was a sense of relief. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.040 I think you nailed that one. You hit that right 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:15.680 on the head. But let us not forget that. Okay, 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.560 So how about this, que You remember how long it 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.840 took those two guys to get arrested, the two guys 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:23.320 that actually killed a mad Aubrey. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:28.720 I remember that. I think the state prosecutor or the 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.920 DA had a relationship with one of them and went 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.200 out of her way to make sure they were not arrested. 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.800 Yeah, it took them two months. 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:42.200 Ladies and gentlemen. The United States justice system at work, 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.680 so working exactly the way it was designed to. 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:52.360 So what we see is obviously, had there not been 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:57.520 a video, that's what it never happened because that video 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:02.160 came out later and they thought it had blown over, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.520 you know, So the video comes out and then that's 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.400 what you know. She's been a guest on the show before, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:12.800 Queeny Najaha. Some other activists went down to Atlanta or 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.920 I'm sorry, it wasn't Atlanta. It was Georgia. There's another 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.760 city in Georgia and brought attention to it, like yo, 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.960 this this guy lost his life. These people killed him. 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.200 They chased him down in a truck and killed them. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:30.640 That's the most lynching, Like, that's like the epitome of 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:36.000 a lynching. And these guys are still at home. They 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.320 got in a truck with guns and chased them down 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.240 and murdered him in the street, died on the sidewalk. 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:48.000 That's crazy, and so we can see that. Yes, initially 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:52.119 this was set up for these three men to go 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.720 go on about their lives. You know, they could say 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.880 whatever they wanted to say, you know whatever. But you know, 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.600 when you put all the videos together, it was a 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.440 video of him walking into the house house and then 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.240 walking out, you know, maybe a minute later. It was 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:08.040 an abandoned house or construction zone or whatever. Just went 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:09.960 in to check it out, didn't take anything from the house. 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:11.880 I don't think it was an abandoned house. I think it 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.360 was a house that hadn't even finished being built yet built. 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.320 Yeah, so that's probably a better way to say it. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.800 But no one lived there. It was like the doors 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.320 were open, the windows were out of it. We just 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.520 walked in, checked it out, went on about his jog 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:28.680 and then and then of course we saw the second 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.440 video where you know, they there was a little bit 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.240 of a tussle they rolled up on him, a little 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:35.880 bit of a tussle, shot him a couple of times, 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:37.680 and or shot the gun a couple of times, and 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:48.160 then he died on the street. That video changes things entirely. 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:57.040 And again it's well, I can't say it's impossible to 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:00.480 claim self defense when you're the person with the gun. 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:01.480 You know you're there. 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.960 I was going to say, we've we've seen that, we 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.960 saw a video to yeah it was written. 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:12.640 Yeah, but you know, back to the judge and the prosecutor, 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.240 they they were. The judge was fair, I believe, a 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:20.119 little bit more fair, a little bit more objective, and 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.280 the prosecutor was a little bit more on top of it. 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.880 Not knocking the prosecutor in the in the written house 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:29.000 trial was just there was some things that that prosecutor 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.600 in the in the written house trial had his hands tied. 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.119 There was nothing that we could you know that that 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:38.560 judge tied his hands and there was a limited framework 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.520 in which that prosecutor could work. So again, I'm not 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:44.800 knocking anybody who's trying to help us, you know, away. 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.480 Once the once the judge found a way to dismiss 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.040 the underage kid with the assault rifle being an underage 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.560 kid with an assault rifle. Then okay, then okay, there's 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:59.280 nothing we can do here. Yeah, exactly. Hey, I heard 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.280 that kid had a gun. No he didn't. Okay, I 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:01.960 guess he didn't. 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:05.800 I mean we saw it. No you didn't. 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.639 Oh well, yeah, he Jedi hit. He used the Jedi 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.520 mind trick on him. Hey, the kid in the video 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.119 has an assault rifle. No he doesn't. Oh okay, I 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:16.879 guess he doesn't. 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:23.800 But yeah, so you know, that's just that's that's what 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.080 we got to deal with. But I do want to 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:27.040 get your thoughts on this. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:28.040 So. 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:34.520 Uh. This person's name is s Lee Merritt, and he's 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:39.680 a lawyer for mister Aubrey's family, who called their defense 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.280 the defense of the men who were ultimately found guilty, 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:48.440 an asenine defense. The victim who ran away from the threat, 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.040 he said, before being cornered and shot to death while 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:55.960 quote desperately trying to disarm his assailant, cannot be the 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.720 aggressor end quote. It was mister Aubrey, he said, who 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.240 was engaging in self defense. There is no other way 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:10.000 to see this, he said, So again, I want to 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:11.560 get your thoughts on it. I kind of know what 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:15.400 they are, but good. 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.720 I think it's a shame that that has to be 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:24.080 articulated that no doubt, Yeah, right, when it's so incredibly 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:28.760 obvious that that's the truth. Except this attorney knew that, 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.359 even with the video and even with facts that were 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:36.280 incredibly obvious, that he had to use that type of 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.800 language to hopefully get his point across the people who, 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:41.800 in a lot of cases just make it their business 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:49.480 to purposely not subscribe to very straightforward logic. I'm looking 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:53.640 at this video of a man running away being cornered, 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:58.960 trying to not be murdered, being murdered, But somehow I 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.360 think he's still the reason why he got murdered. It's 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.040 his fault. He shouldn't have been there, He shouldn't have 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.280 been black, he shouldn't have been at at the property, 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:12.560 shouldn't have dirty Yeah, he shouldn't have had dirty toe nails. Like, 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:17.320 what are we talking about, ma'am? His dirty toe nails 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.120 were somehow the reason why he deserved to be murdered 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:24.359 that day. And no, she didn't say that, but why 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:28.919 else described that? Why else tried to make this person 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:33.120 out to be somehow less than less than clean, less 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.800 than good less than deserving to not be murdered that 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:40.600 day for simply being outside at the same time as 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.960 the men that murdered him. They murdered him because they 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.439 felt like it, and because they felt like they could, 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:48.920 and because they felt like they could and get away 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:54.320 with it, and they almost did. And it's a shame. 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:59.240 That we have to have a video and a very 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:03.880 very intelli an attorney with a perfect case for these 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.520 men to be convicted of a crime we watch them commit. 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:09.680 You know, that's the same thing that you said when 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:18.480 the uh, the verdict came back from the officer that 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:22.720 killed George Floyd. Your your words are almost exactly the 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:25.960 same that you almost need a perfect case to get 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:34.320 a conviction like that. But it's it's a conviction nonetheless. 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:34.000 And. 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.120 You know how it's it's I feel like it's kind 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:40.480 of a left blow and a right blow, you know 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.639 what I mean. The left blow is the written house verdict, 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:46.800 and the right blow is the amount Aubrey verdict, or 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:51.200 the the verdict of the men who are guilty of 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:58.160 murdering Amount Aubrey. Because on the one hand, uh, it says, yeah, 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.480 you know, we're entitled to defend ourselves. You know, we can, 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:04.120 you know, we can take up arms and defend ourselves. 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.320 You know, that's what happens. That's what it tells the 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.720 country after the written House verdict. And then on the 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.280 other hand, which I know it's not quite as high 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.520 a profile, but it's in the same time, on the 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:17.240 other hand, it says, well, wait a minute, hold on, 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:20.320 if you're going to do that, you got to make 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.359 sure that you know, blah blah blah. Is that in 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:28.080 the third you know, And so it's a mixed bag, 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:32.119 you know. And if anything, I wouldn't say that the 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:35.280 world is a little bit better. If I had to 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:37.439 say something, I would say the world's a little bit worse. 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:40.879 But it has a lot to do with that written 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.640 House verdict. You know. The people on the right are 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:46.040 so charged by that, they're so happy with that, they're 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:49.560 so elated with that, And that's the point, right, Yeah, 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:53.400 it's really sad. It's not that justice has been served. 0:22:53.440 --> 0:23:01.240 It's celebratory in a way that's like blatant vigilante, blatant 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:05.040 white supremacis. And I heard somebody or saw somebody argue 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:08.040 it can't be white supremacy because the people he killed 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:11.399 were white and they're completely missing the point. The people 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:14.080 that he killed were white, but they were in the 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:18.080 streets in support of black people. Boom, right, did you 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:21.480 guys not read anything about slavery white people? Well, that 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:26.680 freed slaves were considered criminal and shot too. White people 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:31.680 that housed and helped free and fed and taught non 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:36.520 free black slaves were considered on the same side of 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:41.480 the tracks as those black slaves. So the fact that 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:47.600 this guy murdered people because they were in the streets 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:56.280 protesting the mistreatment by black people by law enforcement made 0:23:56.359 --> 0:24:04.120 them somehow worthy of justice, less worthy of their lives 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:06.880 being worth more than being shot down by this kid 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:11.960 who couldn't wait to get into the street and shoot people. Like, 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:15.879 let's start. The kid got into a car, drove to 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:19.680 another state with an assault rifle to shoot people, and 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:22.560 then shot them, and then went home and then went 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:26.800 to bars and took pictures and posed with people and 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:30.960 had celebrities raise money for him. And now he's being 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:34.679 lauded as some type of hero. Oh and our former 0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:39.480 president's son posted a meme of his dad awarding this 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:45.480 kid the Medal of Freedom. I'm not making this up, people, 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:53.520 Well again, a mixed bag, and you know, we're here 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:54.960 to talk about it, and we're here to get through 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:57.879 it together. That's what we do on Civic Cipher. We 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:02.040 recognized that black people are more than just the songs 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.359 and the dances that you hear on the radio. And 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:07.359 you know, we were actual people with actual lives and 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:10.280 hopes and dreams. And we appreciate those of you who 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.600 are standing with us and marching with us and protesting 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:15.440 with us and trying to fight for a world that's 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.280 fair for all of us. And as long as you 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:23.800 keep that energy, we'll keep it too. Moving on the way. 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:30.120 Black history fact. So in case you didn't know, policing 0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:34.560 started as slave patrols. So my source this week I 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:38.880 borrowed heavily from the New Yorker magazine, so I'll read 0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:42.720 through this. The origins of modern day policing can be 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:45.760