Speaker 1: And now.
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Speaker 2: If you're just tuning into Civic Cipher, I'm your host,
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Speaker 1: And my name is qu Ward listended.
Speaker 2: And uh, I still want you to stick behind. We
Speaker 2: got a lot more coming away.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the Amad Aubrey verdicts uh
Speaker 2: next a little bit more positive than the first half
Speaker 2: of the show, hopefully, and we're going to take some
Speaker 2: time to also discuss uh the origins of policing in
Speaker 2: this country with our way Black History fact and you know,
Speaker 2: we we were admittedly very critical of policing as an
Speaker 2: institution on this show. We understand that it might be necessary,
Speaker 2: but it could be better in our jobs to be
Speaker 2: critical so that it can become better. So please stick
Speaker 2: around for that as well. I think if you understand
Speaker 2: the origins of policing, then you understand how the systems
Speaker 2: began as oppressive and still maintained that oppressive culture about them.
Speaker 2: But first, let us talk about how to become a
Speaker 2: better ally. And so I want to talk about a
Speaker 2: story my sources from CNN. I read an article about
Speaker 2: CNN about this. This is really cool. I thought. Some
Speaker 2: students at a Massachusetts high school held a walk out
Speaker 2: to protest a racist video made by a white student,
Speaker 2: to demand and to demand the change to the culture
Speaker 2: of racism in the school district. A top school official set,
Speaker 2: we heard them today, said Kevin W. Mulvey, who serves
Speaker 2: as the super intendent of Quincy Public Schools. Speaking CNN,
Speaker 2: he described to walk out as a protest against quote racism,
Speaker 2: hate speech, and injustice end quote knowledge that beyond the
Speaker 2: recent video, students have made complaints in the past about
Speaker 2: racism within the school district, saying the district confronted another
Speaker 2: recent incident last week that included hate speech and sexual harassment.
Speaker 2: A white freshman made a video over a year ago
Speaker 2: in which he used racist language, hate speech, and hate
Speaker 2: speech against black people, and it recently resurfaced on social media.
Speaker 2: According to the movie and a news release from school district,
Speaker 2: a black student approached the white student about the video
Speaker 2: and a physical altercation occurred on Tuesday. The white student
Speaker 2: was injured and needed to be treated for head injuries.
Speaker 2: Moby said. Students in the walkout called her disciplinary actions
Speaker 2: against the white student no disciplination, this disciplinary actions against
Speaker 2: the black student and immediate change as to how the
Speaker 2: administration handles racism. This student and it handles racism, I say,
Speaker 2: And so just a neat example of some folks coming
Speaker 2: together and saying, you know what, this is not right,
Speaker 2: not just a student, but the way that the system
Speaker 2: is dealing with this student and folks getting together. This
Speaker 2: is a young folks getting together using their privilege to
Speaker 2: try to bring about some publicity to you know, the
Speaker 2: changes that they want to see in the world. And
Speaker 2: so I want to salute them as our better allies
Speaker 2: and suggest that you, our listener, should aspire to become
Speaker 2: more like them. Now a mod Aubrey. So, just like
Speaker 2: with the first part of the show, Q, what are
Speaker 2: your thoughts about the verdict the verdicts on that trial?
Speaker 1: What do you think I'll say, how I actually feel?
Speaker 1: Please relieved, because I've gotten to a point now where
Speaker 1: I always expect people like this to get off, even
Speaker 1: when we watch them murder us on video, I still
Speaker 1: expect them to get off. Like Kyle Rittenhouse, it's not
Speaker 1: that the trials are not even about whether or not
Speaker 1: they did it. It's not like they have to launch
Speaker 1: an investigation to figure out if these things happened or not. No,
Speaker 1: the trials are about whether or not they're going to
Speaker 1: be held accountable, and we're in a position where we
Speaker 1: kind of always know that they won't be and in
Speaker 1: the event that we are, we celebrate as if there's
Speaker 1: some victory that happened. These people murdered a person on video,
Speaker 1: Like what are we even waiting to see that? The
Speaker 1: judge is going to say, I don't even understand, Like,
Speaker 1: we wait in anticipation to see if these people who
Speaker 1: we saw murder someone will be held accountable for that murder.
Speaker 1: And in this instance they were, and there's some relief,
Speaker 1: but there's no satisfaction. And I know people will be
Speaker 1: listening like, well, hey, when Rittenhouse got off, you were
Speaker 1: so upset, and now these guys are being held accountable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be held accountable. It's not like I'm
Speaker 1: not asking that people get some type of excessive punishment
Speaker 1: for what they do, and not asking that people be
Speaker 1: punished more than they should be. But the absolute minimum
Speaker 1: that we should expect when we watch three people murderer
Speaker 1: person on video is that those three people are found
Speaker 1: guilty of murder because we know they did it and
Speaker 1: listening to their defense attorney paint a picture of a
Speaker 1: person that was beneath being held accountable for murdering, describing
Speaker 1: him as dirty, reinforcing the idea that you know, they're
Speaker 1: not even really people, they're not even really worth us
Speaker 1: being so upset over and they've gotten She leaned into
Speaker 1: it to a point where it was, where's blatant, It's
Speaker 1: not even subliminal anymore? Right, You guys shouldn't punish these
Speaker 1: men for hunting this man down and murdering him. What
Speaker 1: was he even doing in that neighborhood? How dare he
Speaker 1: feel like he should even be able to exist in
Speaker 1: the same space as these people.
Speaker 2: Well, one thing that I will say is that, unlike
Speaker 2: the written house trial, the judge really felt like a
Speaker 2: judge was there to make sure that everybody was held accountable.
Speaker 2: Everybody came correct. You understand. There was no Okay, we're
Speaker 2: not going to use this language, and we're only going
Speaker 2: to say this, and you can do this, but you
Speaker 2: can't do that, and there's no funny business, right and
Speaker 2: I get it, there's and I said this in the
Speaker 2: first part of the show. There's a lot of inconsistencies
Speaker 2: with the criminal justice system, and with the court system
Speaker 2: was sentencing and so forth. And this is why we
Speaker 2: say we look at trends. You know, I have a
Speaker 2: good friend, her name is Alyssa, works in DC and
Speaker 2: she follows trends right, And we had a conversation on
Speaker 2: airplane one time where you know, when you take a
Speaker 2: step back and you look at overall what's happening, then
Speaker 2: you see how the system disproportionately affects black and brown
Speaker 2: people and provides an advantage or you know, it provides
Speaker 2: an advantage to folks who are less mellanated. We'll say,
Speaker 2: but these incidents, these these instances, rather what we're looking
Speaker 2: at is, especially with the Amaud Aubrey, we have a
Speaker 2: judge who I feel is a little bit more judge
Speaker 2: like when compared to the Written House trial, the prosecutor
Speaker 2: was a little bit more on top of the game
Speaker 2: than the defense attorney. What was at the I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: and then the prosecutor was in the in the written
Speaker 2: House trial. And that's just a personal opinion. You know
Speaker 2: that the prosecuting the Written House trial was talking about
Speaker 2: like video games and do you play video games and
Speaker 2: things like that really didn't have a really translated into results,
Speaker 2: you know, and they wouldn't. But you know, you, you're
Speaker 2: you made an excellent point. None of that should matter
Speaker 2: because it's literally on video. Okay, And and I'll say
Speaker 2: it and and this is the one thing that I
Speaker 2: loved about this trial is because you know, folks with
Speaker 2: a little bit of sense could breathe a sigh of relief,
Speaker 2: you know when this verdict was read. If you show
Speaker 2: up with the gun, you're the threat. That that is.
Speaker 2: That is a blanket statement across the board. You know,
Speaker 2: I mentioned all the time we've we've been very critical
Speaker 2: of the way policing has been done in this country.
Speaker 2: But this is something I wish every officer knew, you know,
Speaker 2: as a constant, they should like put it as a
Speaker 2: sticker in the car before they get out. If you
Speaker 2: show up with the gun, you are the threat.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: That's That's what it is. Every every single creature endowed
Speaker 2: with consciousness, It has its customary right to to protect
Speaker 2: its own life and to seek its customary freedom. There's
Speaker 2: a fundamental fact of nature. Everything's going to try to
Speaker 2: live right. And if you show up with the device
Speaker 2: that is designed to end lives, then you're the threat.
Speaker 2: And in this trial and a Marda Aubrey's trial, we
Speaker 2: saw the video and we saw what happened. This guy
Speaker 2: is doing his thing and you showed up with the gun,
Speaker 2: and he was trying to defend himself from you, because
Speaker 2: if you're just driven down the street, he wouldn't have
Speaker 2: attacked you. You know, the same thing with the Kyle
Speaker 2: Rittenhouse trial. But again we're coming to terms with Wow.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of strange things going on,
Speaker 2: a lot of inconsistencies going on, you know, and and
Speaker 2: you know I watched him read that verdict, and you're right,
Speaker 2: there is no real satisfaction. You know. Relief is a
Speaker 2: great word, because it's a very scary thing to feel
Speaker 2: like despite these courtrooms all being different in different states,
Speaker 2: with different laws and different on stand your ground over
Speaker 2: here and you know whatever over there, different judges with
Speaker 2: different you know, different juries, with different outlooks, whatever. But
Speaker 2: to feel like you're gonna get a second gut punch
Speaker 2: in the in the verdict of this Amad Aubrey trial,
Speaker 2: that's a very scary feeling. So when they read the
Speaker 2: guilty verdict, you know, I know that that sense of relief,
Speaker 2: but You're right, there is no satisfaction there because immediately
Speaker 2: after that, what they do they penned to his mother crying,
Speaker 2: and then it hits you her son is gone. And
Speaker 2: we're dealing with a court. We're not even dealing with
Speaker 2: the fact. Okay, why are we mistreated each other? Why
Speaker 2: are we so afraid of each other? Why do we
Speaker 2: hate each other so much? Why are we not listening
Speaker 2: to each other? You know, we're so far on on
Speaker 2: on opposite ends of ideas, and and you know whatever,
Speaker 2: we ask the question all the time, like why in
Speaker 2: the world would people vote against their own interest? You know,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a valid question, it makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense. But you know, as long as they can
Speaker 2: vote for something that's not us, you know, then that
Speaker 2: that's all that it is, you know. And and I
Speaker 2: can appreciate that because I've cast my vote in that
Speaker 2: same fashion before, because I'll vote for anything as long
Speaker 2: as it's not Donald Trump that represents a threat to
Speaker 2: my life. And you know, I could, I could make
Speaker 2: an argument for that. And you know, so there's a
Speaker 2: much bigger system that is causing issues like this to
Speaker 2: happen in the first place. Before we even get to
Speaker 2: the courts you got to go. It's it's a lot
Speaker 2: of steps you got to get through to get to
Speaker 2: a court deciding whether or not the person who killed
Speaker 2: a person was guilty or innocent. You got the whole systemic. First,
Speaker 2: you have the outlook, how do we view each other,
Speaker 2: how do we interact with each other? Then you've got
Speaker 2: a society, like a framework that reinforces subjugation. You know,
Speaker 2: where people think, well, black people just go to jail
Speaker 2: more because they're bad. There's people that really think that
Speaker 2: they don't wrap their heads around it beyond that point
Speaker 2: because they're not black. It's not their problem.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Then you have to get through policing. You know, we
Speaker 2: haven't even talked about school and education, the way that
Speaker 2: the education system fails poor people, black and brown people,
Speaker 2: et cetera. But you know, we'll get to policing. Then
Speaker 2: you got to go into the criminal justice system. And
Speaker 2: then if there's even charges brought, then you get to
Speaker 2: the verdict. And so there's all these systems in place
Speaker 2: that all these steps rather in place that you have
Speaker 2: to get through before you can get to that point.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, to know that we got all the
Speaker 2: way to the end, and there was a sense of relief.
Speaker 2: I think you nailed that one. You hit that right
Speaker 2: on the head. But let us not forget that. Okay,
Speaker 2: So how about this, que You remember how long it
Speaker 2: took those two guys to get arrested, the two guys
Speaker 2: that actually killed a mad Aubrey.
Speaker 1: I remember that. I think the state prosecutor or the
Speaker 1: DA had a relationship with one of them and went
Speaker 1: out of her way to make sure they were not arrested.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it took them two months.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. The United States justice system at work,
Speaker 1: so working exactly the way it was designed to.
Speaker 2: So what we see is obviously, had there not been
Speaker 2: a video, that's what it never happened because that video
Speaker 2: came out later and they thought it had blown over,
Speaker 2: you know, So the video comes out and then that's
Speaker 2: what you know. She's been a guest on the show before,
Speaker 2: Queeny Najaha. Some other activists went down to Atlanta or
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it wasn't Atlanta. It was Georgia. There's another
Speaker 2: city in Georgia and brought attention to it, like yo,
Speaker 2: this this guy lost his life. These people killed him.
Speaker 2: They chased him down in a truck and killed them.
Speaker 2: That's the most lynching, Like, that's like the epitome of
Speaker 2: a lynching. And these guys are still at home. They
Speaker 2: got in a truck with guns and chased them down
Speaker 2: and murdered him in the street, died on the sidewalk.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, and so we can see that. Yes, initially
Speaker 2: this was set up for these three men to go
Speaker 2: go on about their lives. You know, they could say
Speaker 2: whatever they wanted to say, you know whatever. But you know,
Speaker 2: when you put all the videos together, it was a
Speaker 2: video of him walking into the house house and then
Speaker 2: walking out, you know, maybe a minute later. It was
Speaker 2: an abandoned house or construction zone or whatever. Just went
Speaker 2: in to check it out, didn't take anything from the house.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was an abandoned house. I think it
Speaker 1: was a house that hadn't even finished being built yet built.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's probably a better way to say it.
Speaker 2: But no one lived there. It was like the doors
Speaker 2: were open, the windows were out of it. We just
Speaker 2: walked in, checked it out, went on about his jog
Speaker 2: and then and then of course we saw the second
Speaker 2: video where you know, they there was a little bit
Speaker 2: of a tussle they rolled up on him, a little
Speaker 2: bit of a tussle, shot him a couple of times,
Speaker 2: and or shot the gun a couple of times, and
Speaker 2: then he died on the street. That video changes things entirely.
Speaker 2: And again it's well, I can't say it's impossible to
Speaker 2: claim self defense when you're the person with the gun.
Speaker 2: You know you're there.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, we've we've seen that, we
Speaker 1: saw a video to yeah it was written.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, back to the judge and the prosecutor,
Speaker 2: they they were. The judge was fair, I believe, a
Speaker 2: little bit more fair, a little bit more objective, and
Speaker 2: the prosecutor was a little bit more on top of it.
Speaker 2: Not knocking the prosecutor in the in the written house
Speaker 2: trial was just there was some things that that prosecutor
Speaker 2: in the in the written house trial had his hands tied.
Speaker 2: There was nothing that we could you know that that
Speaker 2: judge tied his hands and there was a limited framework
Speaker 2: in which that prosecutor could work. So again, I'm not
Speaker 2: knocking anybody who's trying to help us, you know, away.
Speaker 1: Once the once the judge found a way to dismiss
Speaker 1: the underage kid with the assault rifle being an underage
Speaker 1: kid with an assault rifle. Then okay, then okay, there's
Speaker 1: nothing we can do here. Yeah, exactly. Hey, I heard
Speaker 1: that kid had a gun. No he didn't. Okay, I
Speaker 1: guess he didn't.
Speaker 2: I mean we saw it. No you didn't.
Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, he Jedi hit. He used the Jedi
Speaker 1: mind trick on him. Hey, the kid in the video
Speaker 1: has an assault rifle. No he doesn't. Oh okay, I
Speaker 1: guess he doesn't.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so you know, that's just that's that's what
Speaker 2: we got to deal with. But I do want to
Speaker 2: get your thoughts on this.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: Uh. This person's name is s Lee Merritt, and he's
Speaker 2: a lawyer for mister Aubrey's family, who called their defense
Speaker 2: the defense of the men who were ultimately found guilty,
Speaker 2: an asenine defense. The victim who ran away from the threat,
Speaker 2: he said, before being cornered and shot to death while
Speaker 2: quote desperately trying to disarm his assailant, cannot be the
Speaker 2: aggressor end quote. It was mister Aubrey, he said, who
Speaker 2: was engaging in self defense. There is no other way
Speaker 2: to see this, he said, So again, I want to
Speaker 2: get your thoughts on it. I kind of know what
Speaker 2: they are, but good.
Speaker 1: I think it's a shame that that has to be
Speaker 1: articulated that no doubt, Yeah, right, when it's so incredibly
Speaker 1: obvious that that's the truth. Except this attorney knew that,
Speaker 1: even with the video and even with facts that were
Speaker 1: incredibly obvious, that he had to use that type of
Speaker 1: language to hopefully get his point across the people who,
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases just make it their business
Speaker 1: to purposely not subscribe to very straightforward logic. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at this video of a man running away being cornered,
Speaker 1: trying to not be murdered, being murdered, But somehow I
Speaker 1: think he's still the reason why he got murdered. It's
Speaker 1: his fault. He shouldn't have been there, He shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been black, he shouldn't have been at at the property,
Speaker 1: shouldn't have dirty Yeah, he shouldn't have had dirty toe nails. Like,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about, ma'am? His dirty toe nails
Speaker 1: were somehow the reason why he deserved to be murdered
Speaker 1: that day. And no, she didn't say that, but why
Speaker 1: else described that? Why else tried to make this person
Speaker 1: out to be somehow less than less than clean, less
Speaker 1: than good less than deserving to not be murdered that
Speaker 1: day for simply being outside at the same time as
Speaker 1: the men that murdered him. They murdered him because they
Speaker 1: felt like it, and because they felt like they could,
Speaker 1: and because they felt like they could and get away
Speaker 1: with it, and they almost did. And it's a shame.
Speaker 4: That we have to have a video and a very
Speaker 4: very intelli an attorney with a perfect case for these
Speaker 4: men to be convicted of a crime we watch them commit.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the same thing that you said when
Speaker 2: the uh, the verdict came back from the officer that
Speaker 2: killed George Floyd. Your your words are almost exactly the
Speaker 2: same that you almost need a perfect case to get
Speaker 2: a conviction like that. But it's it's a conviction nonetheless.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: You know how it's it's I feel like it's kind
Speaker 2: of a left blow and a right blow, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. The left blow is the written house verdict,
Speaker 2: and the right blow is the amount Aubrey verdict, or
Speaker 2: the the verdict of the men who are guilty of
Speaker 2: murdering Amount Aubrey. Because on the one hand, uh, it says, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, we're entitled to defend ourselves. You know, we can,
Speaker 2: you know, we can take up arms and defend ourselves.
Speaker 2: You know, that's what happens. That's what it tells the
Speaker 2: country after the written House verdict. And then on the
Speaker 2: other hand, which I know it's not quite as high
Speaker 2: a profile, but it's in the same time, on the
Speaker 2: other hand, it says, well, wait a minute, hold on,
Speaker 2: if you're going to do that, you got to make
Speaker 2: sure that you know, blah blah blah. Is that in
Speaker 2: the third you know, And so it's a mixed bag,
Speaker 2: you know. And if anything, I wouldn't say that the
Speaker 2: world is a little bit better. If I had to
Speaker 2: say something, I would say the world's a little bit worse.
Speaker 2: But it has a lot to do with that written
Speaker 2: House verdict. You know. The people on the right are
Speaker 2: so charged by that, they're so happy with that, they're
Speaker 2: so elated with that, And that's the point, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really sad. It's not that justice has been served.
Speaker 2: It's celebratory in a way that's like blatant vigilante, blatant
Speaker 2: white supremacis. And I heard somebody or saw somebody argue
Speaker 2: it can't be white supremacy because the people he killed
Speaker 2: were white and they're completely missing the point. The people
Speaker 2: that he killed were white, but they were in the
Speaker 2: streets in support of black people. Boom, right, did you
Speaker 2: guys not read anything about slavery white people? Well, that
Speaker 2: freed slaves were considered criminal and shot too. White people
Speaker 2: that housed and helped free and fed and taught non
Speaker 2: free black slaves were considered on the same side of
Speaker 2: the tracks as those black slaves. So the fact that
Speaker 2: this guy murdered people because they were in the streets
Speaker 2: protesting the mistreatment by black people by law enforcement made
Speaker 2: them somehow worthy of justice, less worthy of their lives
Speaker 2: being worth more than being shot down by this kid
Speaker 2: who couldn't wait to get into the street and shoot people. Like,
Speaker 2: let's start. The kid got into a car, drove to
Speaker 2: another state with an assault rifle to shoot people, and
Speaker 2: then shot them, and then went home and then went
Speaker 2: to bars and took pictures and posed with people and
Speaker 2: had celebrities raise money for him. And now he's being
Speaker 2: lauded as some type of hero. Oh and our former
Speaker 2: president's son posted a meme of his dad awarding this
Speaker 2: kid the Medal of Freedom. I'm not making this up, people,
Speaker 2: Well again, a mixed bag, and you know, we're here
Speaker 2: to talk about it, and we're here to get through
Speaker 2: it together. That's what we do on Civic Cipher. We
Speaker 2: recognized that black people are more than just the songs
Speaker 2: and the dances that you hear on the radio. And
Speaker 2: you know, we were actual people with actual lives and
Speaker 2: hopes and dreams. And we appreciate those of you who
Speaker 2: are standing with us and marching with us and protesting
Speaker 2: with us and trying to fight for a world that's
Speaker 2: fair for all of us. And as long as you
Speaker 2: keep that energy, we'll keep it too. Moving on the way.
Speaker 2: Black history fact. So in case you didn't know, policing
Speaker 2: started as slave patrols. So my source this week I
Speaker 2: borrowed heavily from the New Yorker magazine, so I'll read
Speaker 2: through this. The origins of modern day policing can be
Speaker 2: traced back to the quote slave patrol quote. The earliest
Speaker 2: formal slave patrol was created in the Carolinas in the
Speaker 2: early seventeen hundreds, with one mission to establish a system
Speaker 2: of terror and squashed slave uprising with the capacity to pursue, apprehend,
Speaker 2: and return runaway slaves to their owners. Included the use
Speaker 2: of excessive force to control and produce desired slave behavior. I.
Speaker 2: So this is a quote from their like when they
Speaker 2: get sworn in their oath. So quote I in the
Speaker 2: patroller's name, do swear that I will as searcher for guns, swords,
Speaker 2: and other weapons among the slaves in my district, faithfully
Speaker 2: and as privately as I can discharge the trust reposed
Speaker 2: in me, as the law directs, to the best of
Speaker 2: my power. So help me, God can quote. So that's
Speaker 2: the Yeah, that's the North Carolina slave patrol oath. Slave
Speaker 2: patrols continued until the end of the Civil War and
Speaker 2: the passage of Thirteenth Amendment. Following the Civil War, during reconstruction,
Speaker 2: slave patrols were replaced by malicious style groups who were
Speaker 2: empowered to control and deny access to equal rights to
Speaker 2: freed slaves. Basically, we're going to change the title of
Speaker 2: your job to make it compliant. But you know, don't
Speaker 2: go nowhere. They relentlessly and systematically enforced black codes. If
Speaker 2: you don't know what black codes are, we want to
Speaker 2: make a note. We're going to talk about black codes
Speaker 2: one day. The strict local and state laws that regulated
Speaker 2: and restricted access to labor wages, voting rights, and general
Speaker 2: freedoms for formerly enslaved people. In eighteen sixty eight, ratification
Speaker 2: of the fourteenth Amendment of the US Constitution technically granted
Speaker 2: equal protections to African Americans, essentially abolishing black codes. Jim
Speaker 2: Crow laws, and state local statutes that legalized racial segregation
Speaker 2: swiftly took their place. By the nineteen hundreds, local municipalities
Speaker 2: began to establish police departments to enforce local laws in
Speaker 2: the East and Midwest, including Jim Crow laws. Local municipalities
Speaker 2: leaned on police to enforce and exert excessive brutality on
Speaker 2: African Americans who violated any Jim Crow law. Jim Crow
Speaker 2: laws continued through the end of the nineteen sixties. Remember
Speaker 2: this is from the New Yorker. This isn't from Ramsay,
Speaker 2: this isn't from black people dot com. Like this is
Speaker 2: the New Yorker, right, So I'll read a quote. The quote,
Speaker 2: the crisis in policing is the culmination of a thousand
Speaker 2: other failures, failures of education, social services, public health, gun regulation,
Speaker 2: criminal justice, and economic development. In eighteen sixty eight, ratification
Speaker 2: of the Fourteenth Amendment of the US Constitution technically granted
Speaker 2: equal protections to African Americans, essentially abolishing black codes and
Speaker 2: Jim Crow laws. Yeah, the gym Crow laws continued through
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixties. Okay, perfect, all right, So your first
Speaker 2: reaction to that, your initial reaction to policing as a
Speaker 2: form of keeping slaves, subdued.
Speaker 1: Slave patrols. Many of today's laws, the build of Rice,
Speaker 1: the Constitution, and all of these things were established at
Speaker 1: a time. We're murdering black people was just something we're
Speaker 1: doing today, Like, Hey, we're going to work and then
Speaker 1: they got this lynching your lady. You're trying to go,
Speaker 1: call them picnics or you know what I mean, y'are
Speaker 1: trying to go because just get the kids and just
Speaker 1: meet us over there, because they're they're like they got
Speaker 1: the hang in today, So you guys want to grab
Speaker 1: a couple of beers and just go that.
Speaker 2: They called them picnics.
Speaker 1: No, No, I mentioned that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I want people to know that picnics. That's the nick
Speaker 2: part is it comes from a different word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you can put together comes from exactly
Speaker 1: what it sounds like.
Speaker 2: We would go and have a picnic. That's why we
Speaker 2: saw outings instead of picnic. We don't use that word anyway.
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 1: So everything about all the things that we stand on
Speaker 1: sing about now came from a time where we were
Speaker 1: property and whatever our owners felt like doing to us
Speaker 1: was okay, including burning us to death, hanging us to death,
Speaker 1: shooting us to death was not only not thought of
Speaker 1: as criminal, but was thought of as completely moral. If
Speaker 1: you look at the pictures, they're families, husband, wife, kids,
Speaker 1: like nuclear family, husband wife, kids, dog, white picket fence family.
Speaker 1: They're smiling, having a good time. Nobody felt like anything
Speaker 1: was wrong. None of those laws and none of the
Speaker 1: things that were put into place from that time have
Speaker 1: done a lot of changing since then. Right, the profit
Speaker 1: centers have changed, the way that the capitalist society makes
Speaker 1: money has changed, and that's afforded us a few more freedoms.
Speaker 1: But this massive amount of progress that we feel like
Speaker 1: we've made, we haven't. And the police, the slave patroths,
Speaker 1: still operate rate the same way. And you can tail
Speaker 1: this from something as simple as a traffic stop. Okay,
Speaker 1: when we get pulled over for not doing anything. Drug
Speaker 1: dogs are called when they get pulled over for actually
Speaker 1: committing crimes or picked up or arrested for actually committing crimes.
Speaker 1: They get taken to get something to eat and or
Speaker 1: help down the steps. So if you want to know
Speaker 1: how I feel, I can't really express all of that. Well,
Speaker 1: but it's not good.
Speaker 2: Well, that's all right, that's all right. The point is
Speaker 2: is that we need to understand it, We need to
Speaker 2: know where it comes from, and we need to to
Speaker 2: use that to provide nuance and a framework for when
Speaker 2: we discuss, you know, as a community, our issues with
Speaker 2: policing and the way policing is done. There's this mentality
Speaker 2: that's real heavy on the right that wants to divorce
Speaker 2: this country from its past. This is why critical race
Speaker 2: theory is being challenged and so forth. They really want
Speaker 2: to divorce themselves from the history of this country. And
Speaker 2: you can't really do that because the history, the legacy,
Speaker 2: and the framework. We have to examine the history to
Speaker 2: understand what it's doing, how it's actively harming people, and
Speaker 2: how it has harmed people for such a long time
Speaker 2: and gives us a sense of scale and the snowball
Speaker 2: effect and so forth, And so it's important for us
Speaker 2: to talk about these things, and that's why we have
Speaker 2: the show and that's why we do this, and because
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