Speaker 1: You're listening to Comedy Central.
Speaker 2: Yah, Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight
Speaker 2: is a conservative commentator with her own show on the
Speaker 2: Blaze Network. Please welcome Tommy Laren.
Speaker 3: I'm in the Lions, Dan Trevor, I'm not.
Speaker 2: A lion, that's all. Is that like an African thing? No,
Speaker 2: welcome to the show. Before we get into it. I
Speaker 2: know who you are because my Facebook feed has you
Speaker 2: in it. There are a lot of people who don't,
Speaker 2: So if you don't know Tommy Larreen, this is a
Speaker 2: little taste of her show.
Speaker 3: The protesters are still out in force, but let's be honest.
Speaker 3: They're not protesters. They're cry babies with nothing better to
Speaker 3: do than manned around the streets with their participation trophies
Speaker 3: in false sense of purpose. This isn't for Hillary. I'm
Speaker 3: not even sure this is against Trump. It's the same
Speaker 3: thing we've seen time and time again with these so
Speaker 3: called protesters and administrators.
Speaker 2: It started with.
Speaker 3: The Occupy Wall Street brats, moved on to the more militant,
Speaker 3: overtly aggressive Black Lives Matter more crowd cycled through the
Speaker 3: DNC paid violence instigators, and now here we are. November
Speaker 3: of twenty sixteen, with President elect Donald Trump and a
Speaker 3: crowd of misfit baby's form from every failed movement all
Speaker 3: sandwich together to become the largest group of winers the
Speaker 3: country has ever seen. A right pretty much covers it,
Speaker 3: doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Trevor quick question like why are you so angry? I'm
Speaker 2: actually not that angry.
Speaker 3: It's just there's things that need to be said, Trevor,
Speaker 3: And a lot of people are.
Speaker 2: Afraid to say in an angry way. I mean, you
Speaker 2: can't say you're not angry, and I mean this is
Speaker 2: this is what you're known for. It's a strange thing
Speaker 2: to say, I'm not angry, but that is the one thing.
Speaker 2: It's like Ellen's saying, I don't like Dan sing. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you do, Ellen, you do. You are angry about everything.
Speaker 3: It seems somebody's you will just need to be called
Speaker 3: in there, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean? When what when you say the one
Speaker 2: in particular.
Speaker 3: This is the thing protesting a you know, fair and
Speaker 3: free election, that to me, you get called in your
Speaker 3: little bit. It's time to clear the streets, it's time
Speaker 3: to accept reality, it's time to move on, time to
Speaker 3: make America great again.
Speaker 2: You consider yours how the conservative I do. Okay, I
Speaker 2: mean I'm millennials.
Speaker 3: I don't really like labels, but yes I'm conservative in thought.
Speaker 2: Sorry, my brain, you just gave a label to say
Speaker 2: you don't like labels. But anyway, we exist on a spectrum.
Speaker 2: That was just funny. That was just funny. This is
Speaker 2: a funny moment. Millennial is just funny. In terms of
Speaker 2: Black lives matter. Like, you know, you have quite a
Speaker 2: record for somebody who is not racist. You have to
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time saying I'm not racist. What
Speaker 2: is your biggest issue with Black lives matter?
Speaker 3: I think, and I've said this many times, it started
Speaker 3: with good intentions. I think it was it was well intentioned.
Speaker 3: The moment that they started pushing hands up, don't shoot,
Speaker 3: which is a false narrative, proven time and time again
Speaker 3: to be a false narrative. The minute that that became
Speaker 3: their slogan, the minute that protesting turned it into rioting
Speaker 3: and looting and earning and militant actions, that's when I
Speaker 3: lost respect for Black lives matter.
Speaker 2: Okay, but now here's my thing. Let's address each of
Speaker 2: these things one by one. When you go protesting turning
Speaker 2: into rioting and looting, that's not a Black Lives Matter phenomenon.
Speaker 2: That is what happens when there is a protest. A
Speaker 2: lot of the time. There were people who rioted and
Speaker 2: looted when teams won in Chicago years ago. It doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that they are now bad people. That's what happens.
Speaker 2: There are some bad people in every instance. Going back
Speaker 2: to Black Lives Matter, though, for you to say that,
Speaker 2: you say they have good intentions. They had the good intentions.
Speaker 2: How are you labeling out the actions of a few
Speaker 2: and condemning an entire group. I don't understand that.
Speaker 3: They subscribe to the Black Lives Matter movement. They say,
Speaker 3: we are the Black Lives Matter movement. Frym like Bacon,
Speaker 3: f the police.
Speaker 2: There are so few people. These are a few people.
Speaker 2: This is not the Black Lives Matter. That is not
Speaker 2: the platform.
Speaker 3: Though I saw it in my city of Dallas. I
Speaker 3: saw what a Black Lives Matter protest look like and
Speaker 3: I saw five fallen officers because of it.
Speaker 2: That that's not f that's true. No, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 3: It is because the shooter said point like, shooter said,
Speaker 3: he's doing this because of Black Lives Matter.
Speaker 2: Yes, and there are many things you can say I mean,
Speaker 2: if you go outside, you can say anything about doing something,
Speaker 2: because if you cannot deny that the man had mental
Speaker 2: issues as well and he was in a tough place.
Speaker 2: Just because you say the thing doesn't mean it's what
Speaker 2: it stands for, right because you're the same person. You're
Speaker 2: the same person who argued on your show that just
Speaker 2: because Donald Trump has supporters from the KKK doesn't mean
Speaker 2: he's in the KKK. So it goes it goes against me.
Speaker 1: He can't say he did it.
Speaker 3: Because of no but he the shooter said I but Black.
Speaker 2: Lives Matter has never said go out and shoot people.
Speaker 2: I'm saying you're saying this to your audience, and I
Speaker 2: honestly do not understand where you're getting that from. Just
Speaker 2: because a person. What if somebody says, I felt emboldened
Speaker 2: by Tommy Larren and so I went out and I
Speaker 2: shot black people? Are you now responsible?
Speaker 3: Is that your TV? It's not one or two people.
Speaker 3: If you look at them, you look at every city.
Speaker 3: Look at the protests that have gone on in Baltimore,
Speaker 3: in Ferguson, in New York City, the protests that have
Speaker 3: now turned to anti Trump protests.
Speaker 2: Because are not a few people Okay.
Speaker 3: This is mass crowds of people. They're doing in this
Speaker 3: the name of Michael Brown, they're doing this the name
Speaker 3: of Freddie Gray. They're doing it as the front of
Speaker 3: Black Lives Matter, and the mainstream media is embold in
Speaker 3: these people.
Speaker 2: Okay, so then let's use that same logic that you're
Speaker 2: using then, and then go police. Are the police racist
Speaker 2: because police in many cities. You look at Baltimore, you
Speaker 2: look at what happened in New York, you look at
Speaker 2: what happened in the case of Walter Scott. You tell me,
Speaker 2: are police racist because they've been shown to harass black
Speaker 2: people unfairly, They've been shown to shoot black people when
Speaker 2: they're unarmed. Does that mean the police are racist them?
Speaker 2: Because that's the same logic you're using.
Speaker 3: It's really not, though, Trevor, because the meanstream media is
Speaker 3: not ebolding them as a group.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 3: And did you know that a black man is eighteen
Speaker 3: point five times more likely to shoot a police officer
Speaker 3: than a police officer is to shoot a black man.
Speaker 3: Those are statistic no one wants to talk about.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. So let me ask you this. Then,
Speaker 2: if you say as you said, when you walked out.
Speaker 2: I'm not as mean as people think I am. I'm
Speaker 2: not the person that people think i'm. What do you
Speaker 2: wish people would understand about you that are in another bubble?
Speaker 2: What do you wish people would understand about you on the
Speaker 2: other side.
Speaker 3: I wish that we could disagree with each other without
Speaker 3: thinking that we are bad people or ill intentioned folks.
Speaker 3: So because I criticize a black person, or I criticize
Speaker 3: the Black Lives Matter movement, that doesn't mean that I
Speaker 3: am anti black. It does not mean that I don't
Speaker 3: like black people or that I'm a racist. It means
Speaker 3: I'm criticizing a movement. I criticize Colin Kaepernick, that doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that I don't believe in his First Amendment rights.
Speaker 3: It means that I believe in my First Moment rights
Speaker 3: to criticize him. So it doesn't make me a bad person.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make me a racist to point out I mean,
Speaker 3: I've never used racial slurs to address people. I've never
Speaker 3: looked down on someone because of their skin color. To me,
Speaker 3: true diversity is diversity of thought, not diversity of color.
Speaker 3: I don't see color.
Speaker 2: I go after Hillary Clinton, and she is why as
Speaker 2: they come't you don't see color, so what do you
Speaker 2: do at a traffic lights? I don't believe in that
Speaker 2: at all. When people say that there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 2: seeing color, it's how you treat color that's more important.
Speaker 2: You're right, here's my thing. Like, all these points that
Speaker 2: you make are great, and I do believe that you
Speaker 2: believe them. And I don't believe anyone is actively trying
Speaker 2: their few people are trying to be bad from their
Speaker 2: point of view. But when I look at what you're saying,
Speaker 2: you say you're not pushing a racist narrative. You're not.
Speaker 2: You're criticizing. Do you really believe you're criticizing and you're
Speaker 2: not malintentioned when you say things like black lives matters
Speaker 2: the neu KKK because you realize black lives matter con
Speaker 2: me the u KKK. The KKK is still around, they
Speaker 2: have not vacated their premises. And most importantly, to say
Speaker 2: black lives matters the UKK is like to really really
Speaker 2: minimize what the KKK did and what they stand for.
Speaker 2: That is not the same thing. You surely you understand
Speaker 2: the incendiary like feeling of your comments. You know that
Speaker 2: surely it's controversial.
Speaker 3: But I think there are some things that need to
Speaker 3: be said. And when the Black Lives Matter movement is
Speaker 3: going out with signs saying frime like bacon f the police,
Speaker 3: when they're going out seeing if you see a white
Speaker 3: person target them, that is happening, Trevor. That happened in
Speaker 3: Milwaukee not too long ago. That is happening. So when
Speaker 3: that now becomes the narrative and you're starting to loot,
Speaker 3: burn and riot, what did.
Speaker 2: The KKK do? That is not Look, we'll go around
Speaker 2: in circles. Did you say, what did the KKK do?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: What do they do?
Speaker 3: When you're saying, listen, Trevor, Trevor, when you're saying when
Speaker 3: there are people in the streets saying if you see
Speaker 3: a white person beat their ass, does that not sound
Speaker 3: reminiscent of the KKK or their motives to you?
Speaker 2: Is that the narrative of Black Lives Matter or the
Speaker 2: people who are saying that within a crowd of other
Speaker 2: human beings. There is a distinction between a movement and
Speaker 2: the people. That is something that we keep coming back to.
Speaker 2: But let's go back to what you were saying on
Speaker 2: Colin Kaepernick and the national anthem. This is something I
Speaker 2: don't understand. And when I watch your videos, I go
Speaker 2: I truly do not understand. You say, Colin Kaepernick is
Speaker 2: exercising his First Amendment rights, and you are exercising your
Speaker 2: First Amendment rights in criticizing him. So what you're saying
Speaker 2: is you have the right to say anything you want,
Speaker 2: so shut up.
Speaker 1: No, not at all.
Speaker 3: I'm saying I don't agree with what he did. I
Speaker 3: think that he went about the wrong way.
Speaker 2: I don't think he is the right way. When people
Speaker 2: say that, I'm always fascinated what's the right way. So
Speaker 2: here's a black man in America who says, I don't
Speaker 2: know how to get a message across. If I march
Speaker 2: in the streets, people say I'm a thug. If I
Speaker 2: go out and I protest, people say that it's a riot.
Speaker 2: If I bend down on one knee, then it's not.
Speaker 2: What is the right way? That is something I've always
Speaker 2: wanted to know. What is the right way for a
Speaker 2: black persons of America taking them out?
Speaker 3: Trevor taking it out on our flag and our national anthem?
Speaker 3: To me, but how why would you take out your
Speaker 3: perceived oppression of black people out on the national anthem?
Speaker 3: In our flag, a country that you live in, a
Speaker 3: country that you benefit from, a country that people of
Speaker 3: all races have died for, have died to protect, have
Speaker 3: died for the vote, died to be enfranchised by this nation.
Speaker 3: How do you then go and disrespect the flag and
Speaker 3: the anthem of that country? Well, why is that the outlet?
Speaker 2: Well, maybe you're a person who's lived and read through
Speaker 2: history and you realize that a lot of those people
Speaker 2: of every color who died for this country, some of
Speaker 2: them didn't have the rights that their fellow servicemen had
Speaker 2: when they came back to the country off the fighting.
Speaker 2: Maybe you were one of those people who realizes that
Speaker 2: the penal system in America was designed to oppress black people,
Speaker 2: It was designed to enslave people. It is a relic
Speaker 2: of slavery. Maybe you're one of those people. So what
Speaker 2: I don't understand is a guy is kneeling in the corner.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why that offends you so much. It's
Speaker 2: not even like he's trying to sing over you. If
Speaker 2: he was doing that, he's like, oh say, oh say
Speaker 2: ken me see No he's singing. He's not doing anything
Speaker 2: that affects you. I don't understand why it gets to you.
Speaker 2: I genuinely don't. He's in a corner, kneeling by himself.
Speaker 2: Why does that offend you so much?
Speaker 3: For me, I know what that flag means to me.
Speaker 3: I know what that flag means to those that are
Speaker 3: fighting for our country right now. It's bigger than a
Speaker 3: piece of cloth. Is a symbol of patriotism. Our national
Speaker 3: anthem has meant a lot to a lot of people.
Speaker 3: It's got a lot of people through very hard times
Speaker 3: in this country. It's got it scarred, it's got it's wounds,
Speaker 3: it's got its history. But I still believe it's the
Speaker 3: greatest nation on the face of the earth. And I
Speaker 3: believe if you live in this country, you can want
Speaker 3: to better it, but to disrespect our flag and our
Speaker 3: anthem in that way and not be your outlet to
Speaker 3: get out whatever aggression you have, whether it be passive
Speaker 3: or active aggression. I disagree with it, and so he
Speaker 3: has every right to do it. That's his first moment rights,
Speaker 3: and I agree with his first min right to do it.
Speaker 2: I don't agree with what he did.
Speaker 3: So because I don't agree with what he did, then
Speaker 3: now I should shut up because I'm white.
Speaker 2: So I should shut up.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't be able to talk about black issues because
Speaker 3: I'm white.
Speaker 2: No one brought no one brought up whites at all.
Speaker 2: I never said that I don't see color. I don't
Speaker 2: think that that's what the argument is. What I'm saying
Speaker 2: is I asked you one question, and that is how
Speaker 2: should a black person bring up their grievances? That's all
Speaker 2: ask How if that's not the right way, If marching
Speaker 2: isn't the right way, what is the right way when
Speaker 2: you talk?
Speaker 3: What he said was he is protesting the anthem in
Speaker 3: the flag because of the oppression of black people in
Speaker 3: this country. I would like him to further explain what
Speaker 3: he's talking about when he's discussing the black oppression in
Speaker 3: this country. Also, is it against police? Is it against
Speaker 3: the government. I'm not sure what oppression he's discussing. I
Speaker 3: would love to have him come on my show and
Speaker 3: discuss it with me. To me, when you make the
Speaker 3: flag and you make the anthem the outlet for your
Speaker 3: anger or the outlet through which you're going to protest
Speaker 3: your country that you live and you reside in, that
Speaker 3: you take nineteen million dollars a year from I don't
Speaker 3: think that that is the correct outlet for your anger.
Speaker 3: So what is he protesting?
Speaker 2: So he's again, you haven't answered my question of how.
Speaker 2: How you want to tell me. I'm just asking how,
Speaker 2: and I'm asking you honestly. I'm not saying in a
Speaker 2: challenging way. I'm saying to you, I don't know the
Speaker 2: answer apart from these methods. So I would like to
Speaker 2: know if you've ever thought of a how. Because you're
Speaker 2: the first person i've met who said this, I've seen
Speaker 2: this message online. I'm not labeling you as the bad person.
Speaker 2: I just want to know if you've ever thought of
Speaker 2: the how. That's all I want to know. For me.
Speaker 3: I think there are a lot of folks in this
Speaker 3: kind of iving. A woman, I didn't have rights after
Speaker 3: black people until women got the right to vote. But
Speaker 3: because I feel like I'm a woman and I marginalized
Speaker 3: in some way, I don't protest my country. I don't
Speaker 3: see what he's protesting. I would like to know exactly
Speaker 3: what he is protesting.
Speaker 2: It's a very So how do you know? How do
Speaker 2: you protest them?
Speaker 3: That's right, I don't protest because I'm not a victim.
Speaker 2: I guess we can we can go back and forth
Speaker 2: on a lot of these issues. It's a It's an
Speaker 2: interesting place to be in because honestly, you've won, you know,
Speaker 2: like your side has won as you say, you know,
Speaker 2: the liberal snowflakes are melting in the streets as they protest.
Speaker 2: And now I would like to know from your side, genuinely,
Speaker 2: as someone who's won, do you believe that Donald Trump
Speaker 2: will follow through on his promises.
Speaker 3: I will be a vocal opponent if he doesn't. I
Speaker 3: am not somebody that gets on the cheerleading bandwagon. If
Speaker 3: he does something I disagree with, I will discuss it.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: Before I was a Trump supporter. I was critical of Trump.
Speaker 3: I was a Marco Rubio girl for a long time.
Speaker 3: And then I started to see that was gonna be
Speaker 3: our nominee, and I said, it's him or Hillary. A
Speaker 3: lot of Americans were in that position.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then I got closer to the campaign and I
Speaker 3: started seeing some of the things he was saying, and
Speaker 3: I started seeing the effect he was having on people
Speaker 3: and the things that he was saying that were touching
Speaker 3: people and making them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was, he really was.
Speaker 3: Hillary could use some of that every now and then, Right,
Speaker 3: Bill's a little busy, Bill's a little busy.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you being on the show. Thank you so
Speaker 2: much for being here.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: It is a conversation with you. Say you have nick having.
Speaker 2: You can find Tommy's final thoughts at facebook dot com
Speaker 2: slash Tommy Laren, Tommy Laren, everybody. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2: My guest tonight is the former federal prosecutor and governor
Speaker 2: of New Jersey who ran for president and served as
Speaker 2: head of President Trump's transition team. His new book is
Speaker 2: called Let Me Finish Trump, The Cushioners, Bannon, New Jersey,
Speaker 2: and the Power of in your Face Politics. Please welcome
Speaker 2: Governor Chris Christy. Welcome back to the show, sir, happy
Speaker 2: to be back. Interesting, you were the third guest on
Speaker 2: my show I was. You were also one of the
Speaker 2: only in fact, you are the only Republican who supports
Speaker 2: Trump who's come back to the show post Trump winning.
Speaker 2: Huge bravery, Chris, you also got nothing to lose, which helps.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, listen, it's you know, sometimes that's when
Speaker 4: you're bravest Trevors.
Speaker 2: Right, never know, how do you feel about these Republicans
Speaker 2: who seem to be pro trumple with him? And then
Speaker 2: when they're leaving, all of a sudden, they're like, he
Speaker 2: is the worst thing in the world. It seems like
Speaker 2: bravery does happen when the people leave.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you know you don't have to look at
Speaker 4: him every day or something. I guess, I guess that's
Speaker 4: probably it. But you know, they weren't brave in the beginning,
Speaker 4: you know, and what they're doing now is just faux bravery.
Speaker 1: So that's the way it goes.
Speaker 2: Hurricane Sandy was for you one of the most seminal
Speaker 2: moments in your life and your career. It's interesting because
Speaker 2: you went on this roller coaster ride of approval ratings
Speaker 2: Hurricane Sandy. Around that time, people said Chris Christy could
Speaker 2: be the next president of the United States.
Speaker 1: I recall that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then a while later, like this picture was
Speaker 2: one of those that made you one of the most
Speaker 2: hated men in the United States. When like a beach
Speaker 2: was shut down and there's you know, a shutdown and
Speaker 2: you out on the beach with your family. What was
Speaker 2: that like, just genuinely from your side as a human being,
Speaker 2: going from like everyone loving to use a feeling like
Speaker 2: everyone hates you.
Speaker 4: Try to make me cry, but no, no, no, no, serious, no,
Speaker 4: I mean listen seriously, like that's that's often what political
Speaker 4: life is like. You know, very rarely is there somebody
Speaker 4: in a political life who does anything that's worth anything right,
Speaker 4: that remains popular all the way through. Because if you're
Speaker 4: doing stuff that matters and stuff that needs to be
Speaker 4: done in your state or in this country, you're gonna
Speaker 4: anger some people. You have to, because unless you're just
Speaker 4: giving everything away, unless you're just saying yes to everybody,
Speaker 4: even if you don't mean it, you're gonna make some
Speaker 4: people angry. And so you know, to me, like it's
Speaker 4: never fun, like you always would much rather be seventy
Speaker 4: five percent than fifteen percent. But in the end, does
Speaker 4: it really matter, Like to me, what matters is what
Speaker 4: you did and what you accomplished, and so for me,
Speaker 4: that's what always mattered the most.
Speaker 1: No one likes it.
Speaker 4: Anybody who says they like being unpopular at times is
Speaker 4: just completely full of it. I didn't like it, but
Speaker 4: I also tried to have some perspective on it that
Speaker 4: that wasn't why I did it in the first place, anyway,
Speaker 4: was to be popular. And I used to tell my
Speaker 4: folks when we were at seventy five percent, Like we're
Speaker 4: not keeping this in the desk drawer, like just looking
Speaker 4: at it. Go look how pretty that seventy five percent is.
Speaker 4: Let's go spend it. Let's go do the difficult things
Speaker 4: that'll bring that down. And then you got to live
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 2: You've written a book, Let Me Finish Trump, the Kushioners, Bannon,
Speaker 2: New Jersey, and the Power of in your Face Politics.
Speaker 2: You take us through a little bit of how you began,
Speaker 2: a little bit of your life, the journey that made
Speaker 2: you into Chris Christy as people know you, and then
Speaker 2: you really get into the meat of the presidential campaign,
Speaker 2: from you announcing, from you going into the race, all
Speaker 2: the way through to dropping out, and then the story
Speaker 2: with Donald Trump. Let's start at the beginning of this journey,
Speaker 2: when you were running and Donald Trump was running. You
Speaker 2: guys have been friends for a while.
Speaker 4: Yeah, at that time, we've been friends for about fourteen years.
Speaker 2: Did you think he stood a chance?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: I thought the whole thing was a joke at the time.
Speaker 1: I really did.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, he'd been talking about running for
Speaker 4: president for a long time, I mean going back twenty years,
Speaker 4: and so when he finally look, he was getting older,
Speaker 4: and when he finally declared, I thought to myself, well,
Speaker 4: he's not going to stay in uh huh. I mean
Speaker 4: this is gonna be something where he's going to do
Speaker 4: it for a little while, get into a debate or
Speaker 4: too experience.
Speaker 1: It, and then go yeah, I don't need this. I'm
Speaker 1: going to go away.
Speaker 4: So the whole premise of me, and not just me,
Speaker 4: but most of the other men and women that were
Speaker 4: up on that stage, was like, all right, he's getting
Speaker 4: some attention now, but he can't be serious about this.
Speaker 2: Is that why you guys didn't work as hard to
Speaker 2: attack him. It felt like everyone was leaving him and
Speaker 2: it's like, ah, forget him, he's fun.
Speaker 1: You know what? It really was part of the problems.
Speaker 4: There were so many of us, and he had so
Speaker 4: much popularity in the polls early yes, that all the
Speaker 4: rest of was there was just a little bit left
Speaker 4: for everybody. So you remember when people would go to
Speaker 4: attack him, like ram Paul went to attack one thing,
Speaker 4: and he will look at me to go, you're a
Speaker 4: two percent, You're nothing, You're never going to win, be.
Speaker 2: Alone, right, or you shouldn't even be on the stage.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't be on the stage. Who are you? That kind
Speaker 1: of thing?
Speaker 4: And and everybody saw that happening, and the media would
Speaker 4: react to that and play it over and over again,
Speaker 4: so it'd be like you're getting getting you know, sad
Speaker 4: kicked in your face, not just once, but like a
Speaker 4: hundred times.
Speaker 1: And so people said, well, let's wait.
Speaker 4: The strategy of everybody was, let's wait till we're down
Speaker 4: to the last few and then we'll go after him.
Speaker 2: But when you saw that happening, when you when you
Speaker 2: saw Trump becoming a viable candidate, the race changed quite
Speaker 2: a bit. Did it change your friendship?
Speaker 4: You know? Interestingly know because we never except for one
Speaker 4: instance that I detail in the book, which well that
Speaker 4: is this was I got the the endorsement of the
Speaker 4: Manchester Union Leader in Hampshire, which is the biggest newspaper
Speaker 4: in New Hampshire and the biggest endorsement to get in
Speaker 4: the primary.
Speaker 1: And he was really pissed. And so he was in.
Speaker 4: South Carolina when it happened, and he and then he
Speaker 4: gives some speech saying that, oh, you know, Bridge Gate,
Speaker 4: he knew all about it.
Speaker 1: I know he knew about it. He had breakfast with
Speaker 1: these people every morning.
Speaker 4: What were they talking about? It was all made up? Right,
Speaker 4: a made up And how does that?
Speaker 2: How do you still stay friends with somebody who's accusing
Speaker 2: you of being part of something that is a crime.
Speaker 1: Well, part of what part of it? Is politics? Right?
Speaker 4: I mean people accuse people of everything in politics sometimes,
Speaker 4: and if you break every relationship you have with someone
Speaker 4: who says something bad about you, you're gonna be eating
Speaker 4: dinner alone in politics because it's a nasty game. But
Speaker 4: also what happened was when he did that, then I
Speaker 4: went after him. So I was in Iowa when he
Speaker 4: did that. That night, I went after him and I said, listen,
Speaker 4: Donald Trump said a whole bunch of lies about me today.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you the truth. We don't need a wall.
Speaker 4: We're never going to build a wall, even if he's elected.
Speaker 4: And if we ever did build a wall, I can
Speaker 4: guarantee you one thing, Mexico ain't ever going to pay
Speaker 4: for it.
Speaker 1: And you know the craft those things. Listen, it looks
Speaker 1: like I was right.
Speaker 2: No, But do you do you still believe all of
Speaker 2: those things?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's what I ran on. I don't
Speaker 4: think I don't think we need those things. Do we
Speaker 4: need some more security at the border. Of course we do,
Speaker 4: and I think everybody agrees on that. But did we
Speaker 4: need what he was talking about then, which was a
Speaker 4: concrete wall from one end to the border to the other. No,
Speaker 4: And and I said that at the time, and now
Speaker 4: he doesn't even say anymore. That's or steel slats or
Speaker 4: something like that. But but the point was when when
Speaker 4: when I went after him the next morning, Corey Lewandowski,
Speaker 4: who was campaign manager at the time, called my campaigner said, listen,
Speaker 4: Donald's really sorry.
Speaker 1: He didn't mean to say that.
Speaker 4: He knows it was wrong, he knows that that wasn't true,
Speaker 4: and he wants a truce. And so I said to
Speaker 4: my guy, if he wants a truce, he calls me.
Speaker 4: And so he called me and he admitted he never
Speaker 4: he didn't mean it, he knew it wasn't true. He
Speaker 4: was just angry, and he apologized.
Speaker 2: We haven't always agreed on everything. We fights an augue
Speaker 2: about stuff, but I've always appreciated that you come on
Speaker 2: the show and.
Speaker 1: That you told listen, you're great and coming on the show, and.
Speaker 2: Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Let me finish it's a fascinating book and it's available
Speaker 2: now coming to Chris christ Everybody. Explore more shows from
Speaker 2: the Daily Show podcast universe by searching The Daily Show
Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1: Watch The Daily Show weeknights at eleven.
Speaker 2: Ten Central on Comedy Central, and stream full episodes anytime
Speaker 2: on Fairmount Plus.
Speaker 1: This has been a Comedy Central podcast