1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: my name is Noel. 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined with our guest superproducer 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 3: Max the Freight Train Williams. Most importantly, you are you. 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: You are here that makes this the stuff they don't 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: want you to know. It is Thursday, August seventh, No 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: August eighth, as you are hearing this this evening, and 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 3: we're so glad that you joined us. Folks, this is 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 3: where we get to hear from the best part of 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: our show, our fellow conspiracy realists. We're going to We're 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 3: going to learn about bugs, big bugs. We're going to 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 3: have a discussion about factories, a little bit about dangers, 17 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: dangers that we clocked a while back in private industry 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: and DNA before we get to any of that. Boy, howdy, 19 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: as they say in the US, we've received a lot 20 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: of response to our concerns about speed limits or limits governors. Yes, indeed, and. 21 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 4: We will get to that after just a quick word 22 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 4: and we're back, and boy, Ben, did you nail it. 23 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 4: We got a lot of response from our EU listeners 24 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 4: about a story that Matt brought to the table about 25 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 4: technology potentially on the table to be added to vehicles 26 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: that would limit the maximum speed of cars, of consumer cars, 27 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 4: much like the governors that are placed on commercial vehicles 28 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 4: like trucks or. 29 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: I believe they're called lories over there school. 30 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 4: Buses, well, school buses one hundred percent, and the term 31 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 4: there is governors. 32 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: I think that's what they're still referred to. 33 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 4: We did get a couple of messages saying we have 34 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 4: we didn't quite nail the geography around that conversation. I 35 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 4: think we may have even already printed or spoken to 36 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 4: that in terms of you know, it was the difference 37 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 4: between Scotland and Ireland. 38 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 3: And that the United Kingdom is not the EU exactly. 39 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 4: But this one specifically comes to us from an Irish 40 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 4: listener that goes by see hey guys. Unlike what Luke 41 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 4: from the Netherlands said, unfortunately, some people in Ireland aren't 42 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 4: happy about the speed limit regulations. Ireland doesn't have a 43 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 4: great public transport system like mainland Europe. The majority of 44 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 4: people drive as it is unfortunately necessary. I don't drive 45 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 4: and it does limit me a lot. I live in 46 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 4: Cork City and can walk or get the bus most places, 47 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 4: but limited by the terrible bus service where you don't 48 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 4: know if the bus will show up or even go 49 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 4: to your destination, as they have a habit of just 50 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 4: stopping in the middle of the routes. At times there 51 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 4: is no connection either, so if you need to get 52 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 4: somewhere that could be less than thirty minutes away by car, 53 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 4: it could take ninety minutes by bus. The speed limit 54 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 4: changes for cars instituted by the RSA Road Safety Authority 55 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 4: are changing speed limits on the roads. Mainly, what people 56 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 4: are annoyed by is that they are decreasing rural roads 57 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 4: from eighty kilometers an hour to fifty kilometers an hour, 58 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 4: and roads closer to towns and villages from fifty kilometers 59 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 4: an hour to thirty kilometers an hour. This is really 60 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 4: needed on rural roads, as some of them are literally 61 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 4: big enough to fit one small car and would have 62 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 4: grass growing on them. It is the fifty to thirty 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 4: that is annoying everyone, as some of those roads are 64 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 4: newer and wider and don't need to be reduced for Matt. Yes, 65 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 4: grocery shopping can be a real pain without a car, 66 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 4: but maybe it's different in the US. A lot of 67 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 4: Irish would do a main shop once every four to 68 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 4: six weeks and a smaller one weekly which can easily 69 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 4: be carried by bus or train. I get my main 70 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 4: food shop delivered once every six weeks. And grocery delivery 71 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 4: I just want to point out like has been much 72 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 4: more of a thing in other parts of the world 73 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 4: and in bigger. 74 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: Cities, perhaps in the United States. 75 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 4: Than the advent of things like instacart have kind of created. 76 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 4: So it's become a lot more common for folks that 77 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 4: I know and myself included to get grocery delivery. But 78 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 4: in Europe and places like New York, for example, grocery 79 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 4: delivery has. 80 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: Been a thing for a lot longer. 81 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 4: Also, just to note, Ireland is very car centric and 82 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 4: Cork they were looking at changing the whole bus networks 83 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 4: to bus connects, which prior to public intervention, would have 84 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 4: vastly improved the service in Cork, but it was destroyed 85 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 4: by people who don't use public transit, and now it's 86 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 4: basically back to where it. 87 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 3: Which is pretty much useless. 88 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 4: I absolutely love the show and you guys' best ce 89 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 4: so you know, And there's also I'm gonna maybe save 90 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 4: this last little bit if we wanted to talk about 91 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 4: something else, but I did want to throw to you, Matt, 92 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 4: since it was your story that you brought. Does this 93 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 4: change your perspective at all on this type of legislation 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 4: or is it still kind of a matter of, like, 95 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 4: you know, this this should be something that's left up 96 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 4: to individuals. 97 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. 98 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 5: I'm still trying to process how I feel about the 99 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 5: government changing speed limits. 100 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 2: Ben. 101 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 5: I would defer to you a little bit just because 102 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 5: we've I know you've talked extensively about the types of 103 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 5: roads that get certain speed limits, basically the standards I 104 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 5: guess at least here in the US, where you know, 105 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 5: depending on how many lanes, depending on what type of 106 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 5: street or road or what highway or whatever it is, 107 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 5: it gets their own standardized speed limits. And like coming 108 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 5: through with this Road Safety authority coming through and nerfing 109 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 5: basically the speeds on all of the roads. I can 110 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 5: imagine that maybe happening in the US and maybe having 111 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 5: a little more safety, But I also know directly the 112 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 5: experience right after getting home driving forty five on a 113 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 5: thirty five because I'm trying to keep up with traffic 114 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 5: and still having vehicles behind me, like a giant ram 115 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 5: truck trying to get like through my vehicle somehow, because somehow, 116 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 5: if they got. 117 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: Through my vehicle, they could get through all the other ones. 118 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, I appreciate that really quickly. Did I screw up? 119 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: Is there no technological aspect to this conversation? 120 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 4: For some reason, I thought there was also conversation maybe 121 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 4: just came up, you know, as a part of the 122 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 4: conversation that the idea of technology that could limit yeah 123 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 4: max speeds, This isn't. 124 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, that's inherently part of it. Making sure, that's 125 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 3: a huge part because it's been an ongoing debate. And 126 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 3: you can go check out earlier episodes of Car Stuff 127 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 3: wherein you can see the history of this discourse on 128 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: the American continent Canada, US, Mexico or North American continent. 129 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 3: We've received some great correspondence that shows us how regionally 130 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: different parts of Europe and well Europe entire, the UK 131 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: and the EU can be in some places it is 132 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: almost American. It is very difficult to live without your 133 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: own personal transportation. In other places, a car, weirdly enough, 134 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: does seem to be a burden, right, and you run 135 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: into that in some large conurbations here in the US, 136 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: like Boston or New York City. It's kind of why 137 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: would you own a car if it wasn't your job 138 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: to somehow have a car. The technological aspect is fascinating 139 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: because history proves it is somewhat inevitable, especially in countries 140 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: that are already highly developed. This is seen as a 141 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: number one way to prevent unnecessary death. 142 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean, you know, it's actually a friend 143 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 4: of the show, Andy who's written into us. He's in 144 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 4: a band called Sky Trumpets, and I believe he actually 145 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 4: grew up in County Cork and I had the privilege 146 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 4: of hanging out with him on a European trip a 147 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 4: few years ago in Berlin, and he talked a bit 148 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 4: about life in the village. I mean, this is kind 149 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 4: of a much more rural area, and I can see 150 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 4: how the public transportation aspect could be really iffy, you know. 151 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 4: I mean, even like in my hometown Augusta, Georgia, it 152 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 4: is nearly impossible to get an uber when you actually 153 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 4: need it because the infrastructure is just not there. And 154 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 4: Augusta is actually the second largest metro area in the 155 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 4: state of Georgia, second to Atlanta, and Georgia, of course, 156 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 4: is largely pretty rural. 157 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 3: So even a. 158 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 4: Place that is considered a pretty big metro area, it 159 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 4: just isn't the demand for it, or there aren't the drivers, 160 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 4: or whatever the case might be. And very similar the 161 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 4: buses in Augusta. They just don't run predictably and you 162 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 4: really can't bank on them to get places on time. 163 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 4: And I've you know, been out with friends and Augusta 164 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 4: drinking or whatever and tried to get a lift or 165 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 4: an uber and it just it just won't come. It'll say, 166 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 4: looking for a driver, you'll find one, and it'll say 167 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 4: fifty minutes before the car will come. And so it's 168 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 4: just you can't really depend on stuff like that. 169 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: But the bus system, I would say here in the US, 170 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: especially in the South, there's not the necessary amount of 171 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 3: political will for the infrastructure of public transportation, and a 172 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 3: lot of that is unfortunately tied up in historic racism. 173 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 4: M you know, that makes me think of the whole 174 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 4: concept of the other side of the tracks, you know, 175 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 4: like development, you know, on the other side of like 176 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 4: a rail thoroughfare for you know, a movement of goods. 177 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 4: That term has inherent racism to it as well, the 178 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 4: idea of you know, having a community that was on 179 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 4: the other side of the train tracks that would often 180 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 4: be a more impoverished and minority community, and so that 181 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 4: term probably even a little problematic, And it hadn't occurred 182 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 4: to me until recently. Here in Atlanta, in the city 183 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 4: of Decatur, there was a pretty racist, i believe, lawmaker 184 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: who made a big deal about, you know, developing properties 185 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 4: like only on one side of the train tracks there. 186 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 4: And I think there was a middle school that was 187 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 4: named after him, but then they changed the name Renfro 188 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 4: But that was probably a conversation for another day. 189 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think these are very good points. And see again, 190 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 3: thank you so much for taking the time to give 191 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: us this invaluable perspective. We know that one of the 192 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 3: one of the biggest issues with the idea of public transportation, 193 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: or the idea with a bunch of people driving their 194 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 3: own vehicles together, is that it requires a public covenant, 195 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 3: It requires a level of trust, right, And this idea 196 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 3: of a speed limitter is you know, ideology aside. It 197 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: is the idea of reinforcing that covenant of public trust. 198 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: Part of the reason there's not a lot of public 199 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: infrastructure or transit, I should say here in the US, 200 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 3: is because that level of trust is simply not there yet. However, 201 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: always forward to the future. One thing I really like 202 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: about C's letter here, Noel, is that it's not just 203 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: about the speed governors, is it. Yeah. 204 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 4: I left out the final paragraph of the letter from C, 205 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 4: and I think we'll bring it up here now. Lastly, 206 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 4: Se says, it is crazy to me how much targeted 207 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 4: ads are happening. I have been going to talk therapy 208 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 4: and we've been discussing childhood trauma and learning to love 209 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 4: and listen to the inner child to help overcome a 210 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 4: lot of emotional the neglect in childhood. The week after 211 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 4: starting and using this language, Instagram has been showing me 212 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 4: ads for apps and therapy groups for childhood drama and 213 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 4: reconnecting with the inner child. It's actually kind of funny 214 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 4: and sick all at the same time. Presumably not sick 215 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 4: in the parlance of like Surfer Talk. I absolutely love 216 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 4: the show, and you guys, see, so we've talked about this, 217 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 4: the idea. I think it came up recently about someone 218 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 4: in a therapy type situation making notes in their phone 219 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 4: about like improvements or things that they wanted to change, 220 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 4: or keeping maybe a diary about medication or something like that, 221 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 4: and that once they stopped doing it in their phone 222 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 4: and put the phone aside and started writing it down 223 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 4: on pad and paper, they stopped getting these bizarrely intrusive 224 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 4: targeted ads that were relating to very very personal stuff. 225 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 4: So I really do fully believe that there's listening going 226 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 4: on and that you know it is interpreting it and 227 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 4: actually feeding you targeted ads. I would argue that's probably 228 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 4: not the best thing in the world to have your 229 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 4: phone anywhere near you when you're doing talk therapy. But 230 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 4: that does bring up the question about what about online 231 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 4: therapy where maybe you're using your phone or your computer, 232 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 4: and like, how is Google or Instagram or Meta or 233 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 4: whatever keyed into that, Because we also know that Chrome, 234 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 4: you know, from from a recent discussion on Google's kind 235 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 4: of shady search engine optimization practices and the murkiness behind that, 236 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 4: and you know the idea that they're potentially even using 237 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 4: Chrome as a key logger in a way to you know, 238 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 4: feed you more accurate advertising, you know, from your Gmail 239 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 4: terms and your search terms and all of that. Does 240 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 4: that extend to audio? And like, do we need to 241 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 4: be in a quiet room where there's no access, you know, 242 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: for these devices to listen in, you know, because again 243 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 4: in the conversation we had Ben in the previous Strange 244 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 4: News episode about the porn tokens or whatever you know 245 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 4: in Spain, the promise by these government entities that they're 246 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 4: going to delete this stuff about you. And that's similar 247 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 4: promise that comes from these giant, you know, conglomerates, these 248 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 4: corporations that are you know, in the tech trade, in 249 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 4: the in the data mining trade. 250 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 3: Their promise that they will delete this stuff. 251 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 4: The promise of the TSA that they will delete those 252 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 4: photos they take of you that matches your face, your 253 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 4: biometrics to your passport, that those will be deleted. I 254 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 4: don't want to like be scare mongerie, but I just 255 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 4: have a real hard time believing that that's happening unless 256 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 4: it's like absolutely forced, you know, like like an adult 257 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 4: in the rooms and show me you put throwing that 258 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 4: in the in the trash and then hitting empty trash. 259 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 3: You know, I just I don't believe it. Man. The 260 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: EU does have legislation in this regard that has the 261 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: kind of teeth and bite, the tooth and claw that 262 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 3: simply would not be allowed to exist in the US 263 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: to lobbying. One thing I really like about your note 264 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: there see if you haven't checked it out, please check 265 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 3: out an earlier conversation I outline part of why this 266 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 3: has become modern folklore. It's not so much the idea 267 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 3: of your phone entire listening to you. It's the implicit 268 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: privacy permissions you give to any app on your phone. 269 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: That's a big part of it, and it's often obscured purposely. 270 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: I would argue within the TOCs or within the sorry, 271 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: the terms of use and the terms and conditions, and 272 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. You know, the thing you scroll 273 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: past because it's purposely written to be nigh unreadable. One 274 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 3: other thing that can happen without being too redundant. Here, 275 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 3: one other thing that. One other way this process occurs 276 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 3: includes Wi Fi spots. The ISPs are able to monitor 277 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 3: this and you are. That's why your ads may change 278 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: depending upon the Wi Fi you are using. And it 279 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 3: can be an interesting thing because if you leverage it correctly, 280 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: it's a way to learn about other people around you. 281 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 3: Nothing weird. 282 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, see, I don't think you have anything to worry about. 283 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 5: I think your phone's not listening. Everything's fine. 284 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: What you need. 285 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 5: Just can give you a quick recommendation. Head on over 286 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 5: to the black Market on Monahan Road, pick yourself up 287 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 5: a fromo one of their signature mixes of slushies and 288 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 5: ice creams. It'll be delicious, and then just take a 289 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 5: quick walk over to the black Rock Castle Observatory. It's 290 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 5: I mean, come on, you're not getting get anything better 291 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 5: than a sixteenth century castle home that's also home to 292 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 5: a science center and observatory. It's open from ten to 293 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 5: seventeen o'clock. 294 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 3: Well, gee, that sounds delightful. I want to go to there. 295 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: Just if you happen to find yourself in Cork. 296 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 3: Thanks, targeted ads. 297 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 4: All right, we're gonna take a quick break and then 298 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 4: come back with another piece of listener man. 299 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 5: And we've returned just as I have recently returned from Ohio. Guys, 300 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 5: and we all saw this in our email inbox, a 301 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 5: message from Lauren. So it has to do with Ohio. 302 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 5: So we're gonna get to it. Lauren says, Hey everyone, 303 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 5: my name is Lauren, and I live in the Dayton, 304 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 5: Ohio area. You're all over Ohio these days, Matt, I 305 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 5: am so skippity Ohio. 306 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: A big local news story. This is Lauren again. 307 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 5: A big local news story this week is a giant 308 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 5: Homeland Security investigation into a local factory called fu yow 309 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 5: I think that's how you would say it, fu Yao 310 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 5: fo yow hm. Nearly thirty houses and the factory were 311 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 5: rated the other day as a part of a criminal 312 00:17:54,960 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 5: investigation involving labor exploitation and financial crimes. There's also a 313 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 5: possibility of money laundering and human smuggling. If Fuyao seems familiar, 314 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 5: it's because this factory was the one featured in the 315 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 5: Academy Award winning film American Factory from twenty nineteen. 316 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm laughing just because I'm not familiar with 317 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 3: this film. That's also a really dull name for a 318 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: film that decids what is this about? 319 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 5: Well, it's I watched the trailer that was available on 320 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 5: Netflix because that's where it was, and it looks like 321 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 5: a story of investors coming in from another country who 322 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 5: basically turn a factory around because of this small area 323 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 5: or the small town is basically dependent for jobs on 324 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 5: this one factory that was just going to go under, 325 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 5: and some investors came through and changed it. 326 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 3: But changed it means they also get it for a song, 327 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 3: yesite a few tax incentives and they story as old 328 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 3: as time, very American. 329 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, they changed it a lot and brought a 330 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 5: lot of people over that replaced a lot of the 331 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 5: factory workers that were existing in there. 332 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 2: So it's an. 333 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 5: Interesting story of like, what is the whole job dependent 334 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 5: life thing that we all exist on? 335 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 3: Right? What is this? 336 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 5: What does it really mean to have a dependable job 337 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 5: and be a good old battery going to continue? Lauren says, 338 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 5: just thought this was an interesting connection. There's definitely some 339 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 5: fishy stuff going on with the whole place. People who 340 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 5: lived near the houses rated said there would be like 341 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 5: ten to twenty men living in there, keeping to themselves 342 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 5: except when they left the house in vans to apparently 343 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 5: go to work. I would say, guys, we have seen 344 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 5: stories about that before in several other specific businesses and 345 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 5: in situations of you know, human smuggling, human trafficking, where 346 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 5: people are kept in places, oftentimes in factories and then 347 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 5: basically shuttled to work and shuttled back. 348 00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: In agricultures and others. 349 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 5: We've seen that time and time again. So we're going 350 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 5: to find out here as we continue a long if 351 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 5: that's actually happening. Just to finish out Lauren's message, they 352 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 5: say it also seems to be that many of the 353 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 5: houses were owned by the same LLC, according to the 354 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 5: local news. Then Lauren gave us a link to a 355 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 5: whio dot com article that, well, I guess we can 356 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 5: just pull that up right now. It is titled Fuyau 357 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 5: Plant nearly thirty other area locations rated in massive homeland 358 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 5: security investigation. It was posted by the Whio staff on 359 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 5: July twenty sixth. Guys, should we just go ahead and 360 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 5: dive into it and see what the see what the 361 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 5: news is saying. Sure, so they are saying HSI, which 362 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 5: is Homeland Security in collaboration with IRS, criminal investigations and 363 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 5: other law enforcement agencies, executed federal search warrants at Fuyau 364 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 5: Glass America. They are, by the way, a factory that 365 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 5: produces automotive class so glass for all types of different 366 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 5: vehicles of all shapes and sizes, and twenty seven other 367 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 5: locations in Dayton, Liberty Township, Miamisburg, I didn't know that 368 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 5: was a place that. 369 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: Sounds made up New York'sville. 370 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, Moraine, and West Carrollton. That all occurred, I guess, 371 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 5: very soon before that was posted on July twenty sixth. 372 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 5: The search warrants were part of a quote ongoing criminal 373 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 5: investigation looking into the very things that Lauren told us, 374 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 5: financial crimes, allegations of labor exploitation and the like. They 375 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 5: were also investigating allegations of money laundering and specifically human smuggling. 376 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 5: Is that's how they refer to it here on WHIO 377 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 5: the news center seven crews. 378 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 2: I guess, I'm not. 379 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 5: Sure who they are with regards to WHIO, but they 380 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 5: are Channel seven, so we're assuming it's their cruise. They 381 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 5: reported seeing members of the US Border Patrol at several locations, 382 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 5: in addition to Homeland Security investigators and yeah, they were 383 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 5: on the scene in several locations as it was happening. 384 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 5: They did they confirmed, I guess that it is happening. 385 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 5: They saw agents detain people at several homes. So these 386 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 5: are like residential houses where they searched the house and 387 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 5: they brought people out with zip ties, like their arms 388 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 5: clasped you can imagine and about a dozen people at 389 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 5: a home in Dayton, Ohio. Gosh, I don't know, guys. 390 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 5: Homeland Security apparently would not confirm if anyone was taken 391 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 5: into custody because. 392 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 2: Sh this is not going investigation. 393 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 5: But again, they are attempting to identify in the case 394 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 5: of the human smuggling aspect of whatever's going on here. 395 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 5: They're trying to identify victims, right, people who are being 396 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 5: exploited by some one, who are either being kept or forced, 397 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 5: you know, into a labor situation, or you know, often 398 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 5: people whose passports and other travel documents get taken when 399 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 5: they arrive into the US from another country. That's a 400 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 5: very common thing. I'm assuming that's what this is all about. 401 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 5: And again that's an assumption on my part. When WHO 402 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 5: News Center seven was reaching out to the people who 403 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 5: run the factory, the people at Fuyao, they did not 404 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 5: respond to requests for comment, but they did respond a 405 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 5: little while later. On July twenty ninth, the AP News 406 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 5: carries a story titled Chinese glassmaker says it wasn't the 407 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 5: target of raid at US plant featured an Oscar. 408 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: Winning film Q Shacky. It wasn't me, It wasn't me. 409 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just a glass. I can't do it. 410 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: I can't do it. 411 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 3: Then they caught me on the assumably all right, the 412 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 3: factory floor. 413 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, caught me on the factory floor. 414 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: It was I got it. But that is the important part, 415 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 3: is the blanket denial that we are not the target 416 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 3: of this thing, right. 417 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 5: Yes, because it did have to shut down all of 418 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 5: its production at its factory, a huge factory you can 419 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 5: see pictures of on Google Maps. You can also see 420 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 5: it in that documentary, massive plant that is producing this glass. 421 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 5: They are saying, fu out Glass America. That is that 422 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 5: they were told by authorities that a third party employment 423 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 5: company was at the center of the criminal investigation. 424 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 3: Hmm, similar to, for instance, the provable cases of child 425 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 3: labor yep in America's abbatois. 426 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, the idea that, Okay, you're a company that owns 427 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 5: a factory producing a good, you need cheap labor. Well, 428 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 5: you as the factory, as the company, aren't going to 429 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 5: hire that labor. You're going to hire a third party 430 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 5: that helps you get that labor. And if this is 431 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 5: the way, and if anything goes down, those are the 432 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 5: guys they get raided, and those are the guys, they 433 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 5: get blamed for all of it, even though you're benefiting 434 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 5: as the company in the factory. 435 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, with a little vigorous all around to grease the wheels. 436 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 3: But the idea that vigor is just for retreat, right. 437 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 3: The idea then here just to outline the process, and 438 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 3: and Lauren, I think I think you will find it 439 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 3: darkly surprising how often and how widely this process can 440 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 3: be applied to any given industry. The idea is that 441 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 3: your subcontractor your third party will be able to create 442 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 3: a Matroshka doll of other sub subcontractors, and each time 443 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 3: that occurs, some portion of the hot potato of legal 444 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: responsibility and blame gets tossed to the next team. So really, 445 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: what you're paying people for is just as much in 446 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: dimnification as it is ease of service and finding people. Mmm. 447 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 5: There you go, Hi, guys, I'm gonna give you a 448 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 5: little more context on here about the documentary and about 449 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 5: the factory itself. According to the AP, this factory was 450 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 5: originally a General Motors factory. Over ten years ago. It 451 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 5: was going it was shuttered, like it was shutting down. 452 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 5: They also got a ton of incentives from the state 453 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 5: and local government, and according to Fuyo, the Ohio plant 454 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 5: is the largest autoglass production facility, Like the largest, that's 455 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 5: what you say. 456 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 3: Because aren't they the second largest overall glass manufacturer. 457 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 5: They're massive. Yes, and guys get this. Don't want to 458 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 5: get too conspiratorial, but the please do. But the documentary 459 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 5: titled American Factory that came out in twenty nineteen and 460 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 5: won a twenty twenty OSCAR for Best Feature Length Documentary, 461 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 5: it was it was produced by a production company that's 462 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 5: backed by Barack and Michelle Obama. 463 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 3: And that's our show. Thanks for tuning a What was 464 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 3: that well done? 465 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 5: There was Obama's There was a huge There was a 466 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 5: lot of conspiratorial talk, at least on our conspiracy in 467 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 5: a couple other places about some movie that came out. 468 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 5: I can't remember the name of it. I think it 469 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 5: was on Netflix and it was backed by one of 470 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 5: these production companies that is backed by the Obamas, and 471 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 5: it was about the technology and the world shutting down. 472 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 5: I specifically remember this shot of all these teslas that 473 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 5: were like automated and just running into each other on 474 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 5: the road. Can't remember the name of it. Somebody write 475 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 5: to us and remind us what that was and what 476 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 5: was about. But it was a bunch of hubbub about 477 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 5: the Obama's basically putting money into telling a narrative. 478 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 3: Also, yeah, I vaguely recall what you're speaking about there, 479 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 3: matt let us. Also note something, and this happens on 480 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 3: all sides of the political aisle most often. When you hear, oh, 481 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 3: this powerful political figure finance this thing, what that usually 482 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 3: means is that a very wealthy person who is active 483 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 3: in politics has some sort of financial portfolio, right, and 484 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 3: that touches on the thing. They might not know what 485 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 3: they are actually funding, right, They might think, oh, Vanguard 486 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 3: has their fingers and all sorts of bags of badgers. 487 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 3: And then you know, when you find that connection, then 488 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 3: you can say, ooh, you know insert insert political figure 489 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 3: I already didn't care for is clearly planning to make 490 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 3: these weird toilets or you know, whatever the weird thing is. Also, 491 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: you know, to be completely fai, sometimes yes, there is 492 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 3: a concerted effort at an agenda. 493 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 2: Yep. 494 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 5: In this case, I don't know, I don't know that agendimen. 495 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 3: I don't I don't know, I mean, like, can't can 496 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 3: these individual This is a question, can the these individuals 497 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 3: really keep their eye on every falling financial Sparrow, I 498 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: guarantee you that in many I feel like that guy 499 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 3: who sold the suits. I guarantee you that in many 500 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 3: of these cases, the people being accused of conspiracy are 501 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 3: not really aware of where their money's going. They're aware 502 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 3: of the percentage of money that comes back to them 503 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: in terms of quarterly profits. I don't know, But then again, 504 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 3: I'm arguing against myself here because guys, the Clinton's got 505 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 3: into some really sketchy stuff during Bill Clinton's governorship, right, 506 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 3: I don't know, It's a pickle. 507 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 5: I want to end the segment here, guys, with a 508 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 5: quick word from one of the people that worked at 509 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 5: the factory and was there when all this went down. 510 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 5: His name is Miles Smith. He, at least as of 511 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 5: the time of this reporting on July twenty sixth, had 512 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 5: worked as a forklift driver there at the factory for 513 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 5: two years. And this is what he had to say. 514 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 5: I seen the FBI, like Homeland Security. They said, go 515 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 5: back in the building. We got a warrant to search 516 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 5: the place, and so he spoke with some agents. Then 517 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 5: he said, we couldn't do nothing. We couldn't go nowhere. 518 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 5: They said, you got to go to the bathroom. Well 519 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 5: we got to escort you to the bathroom. Basically, they 520 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 5: had us lockdown, shut down and sweating. And then he said, 521 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 5: a couple of weeks before they came some of Homeland 522 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 5: I believe came in and got some of the immigrants 523 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 5: that were working here. Then he said, I saw them 524 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 5: going through lockers, going through the equipment, checking the bathroom. 525 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 5: And then according to Smith, the agents made everyone fill 526 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 5: out cards to identify themselves. So not just whatever your 527 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 5: picture ID that you have on you, as like, actually 528 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 5: fill out your information. Then they had to get in 529 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 5: four lines, and these agents took all the cards. They 530 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 5: id'd everyone basically to verify who everyone was there. 531 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 3: Also too, Also that's a very brilliant countermeasure. Uh, not 532 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 3: only like, Okay, anybody can have fake paperwork, right, but 533 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 3: can you yourself replicate that paperwork when asked? 534 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly in the moment they're doing when you're in 535 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 5: their stress. M yep, that's a big deal. But Smith 536 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 5: said he watched several people get detained from those lines 537 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 5: after everybody you know, was trying to prove their identity. Guys, 538 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 5: I don't have a bunch more on this, uh, Lauren, 539 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 5: if you hear anything more, please let us know. We 540 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 5: hope all else is going well in the Dayton area 541 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 5: and where you are. And uh yeah, just to enjoy Ohio, 542 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 5: gotta say, guys, went I went to a place called 543 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 5: put In Bay and I had never been there before. 544 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 5: I didn't know anything about it. According to the locals, 545 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 5: it is a big old party island that people go 546 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 5: to just to get nice and schwasty. 547 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: But it was lovely. Ohio was lovely. 548 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 5: My son who is caught up in the Ohio thing 549 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 5: like using Ohio, I guess in some kind. 550 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: Of shrugatory progatory. 551 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, he was like, I'm going to tell 552 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 5: all my friends Ohio is amazing. 553 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 3: And I again, I want to do this on air 554 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 3: accountability moment. I apologize for bugging you about both pictures. 555 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 3: I'm just very excited by boats and water and you're 556 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 3: an excellent photographer. 557 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 5: Oh I got some great stuff. If you haven't seen 558 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 5: it yet, I will send it your way. Also got 559 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 5: some interior cave footage, guys, that I tried to replicate 560 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 5: some of the seventies eighties, like shooting a model of 561 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 5: a train station or a city, you know, where you 562 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 5: have a little camera and you'd move it over the 563 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 5: little model and make it look like it's a huge city. 564 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: I did it. 565 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 5: I did that upside down in a cave interior, and 566 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 5: I made it look like it's the ground of the cave. 567 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 5: But it looks like I have an unending like helicopter 568 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 5: shot over a canyon or something. 569 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 3: It's awesome, beautiful. Please send it, oh I will. 570 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 5: All right, that's it for now, Thanks Laren. We'll be 571 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 5: right back with more messages from you. 572 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,719 Speaker 3: And we have returned shout out to our guest producer 573 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 3: Freight Train, who, as a michigan or himself, notes that 574 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 3: he regards Ohio as the frozen swamp of America. Okay, hey, 575 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 3: all right, I got family from there also. I don't 576 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 3: like this anti swamp rhetoric. So unless you meant it 577 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 3: as a compliment, which perhaps you did, here we go. 578 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 3: We've got We've got an email, and then we've got 579 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 3: a letter from home, and we need all hands on 580 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 3: deck for this one. If you are hearing this, that 581 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 3: applies to you as well. Our next piece of correspondence 582 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 3: arrives to us from sc bug Geek that's all one word, 583 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 3: s C. Bug Geek. We're kind enough to begin your 584 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 3: letter with the following, Hey, guys, I love the show. 585 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 3: You all have explored Big Sugar, Big Death, and such, 586 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 3: but you all have yet to discuss Big bug slight 587 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 3: editorial note here. As my colleagues know, I am incapable 588 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 3: of saying certain contractions in this language. I am paraphrasing 589 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 3: you a bit sc bug Geek. SC bug Geek continues. 590 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 3: I am an associate certified entomologist and a master termite 591 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,479 Speaker 3: technician in South Carolina. I have been in the bug 592 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 3: biz pest control for going on ten years. There is 593 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 3: an ongoing technique where large think global pest control companies 594 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 3: buy up smaller companies and mom and popshop like me. 595 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 3: The new parent company keeps the original name and forward 596 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 3: facing workers, much like Big Death. And here here are pal. 597 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 3: The bug Geek is referring to our earlier episodes on 598 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 3: the funeral a mortician industry, wherein we discovered that unfortunately, 599 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 3: monopoly laws don't seem to apply to that industry. They're 600 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 3: buying up all these supposedly mom and pop funeral services 601 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 3: or funeral homes, and they're letting them keep their original branding, 602 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 3: but they are essentially franchises and subsidiaries of a larger 603 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 3: hidden hand. So apparently the same thing is happening with 604 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 3: the pest control industry. And I didn't look through the 605 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 3: entirety of our episode catalog, but guys, I know we 606 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 3: have discussed this in the past, the serious problems with 607 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 3: the modern pesticide industry overall, and a lot of our 608 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 3: fellow listeners are in that industry or have had some 609 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 3: pretty disturbing experiences with it. Right. 610 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, that's a little I'm trying to apply it 611 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 5: to the same context here, right, So, when these larger 612 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 5: companies in the funeral business are buying out the smaller 613 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 5: ones there, I kept trying to I remember thinking about that, 614 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 5: like thinking about the profit motive for all of those 615 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 5: and in my head, I swear it goes back to 616 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 5: the McDonald's thing we talked about, where it's buying up 617 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 5: the property, and the property was the thing. It wasn't 618 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 5: even the funeral services or the company or the people 619 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 5: that's generating some kind of profit. It's just now they 620 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 5: own a crap ton of pretty big property. If you 621 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 5: think about a funeral home, I wonder if that's happening here. 622 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 5: But you know, these pest control companies must be generating 623 00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 5: quite a bit of profit. 624 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, very much so, especially when we consider that just 625 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 3: like how the big boys in the funeral industry can 626 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 3: control resources, right, kind of like how Walmart can set 627 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 3: the prices or dictate prices for supplies and lower costs 628 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 3: for everything just so yeah, and also operate at a 629 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 3: loss if they need to drown the local mom and pops. 630 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 3: And that seems to be what bug geek is arguing 631 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 3: is occurring in the pesticide industry, which I honestly find unsurprising, 632 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 3: and I believe this may be worth an episode because 633 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,959 Speaker 3: we know that we know that the American public will 634 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 3: have concerns when it comes to visible monopolies, right someone says, hey, 635 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 3: Google does kind of run a lot of stuff, or like, hey, 636 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 3: why can't I have a different internet provider here? Oh? 637 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 2: Exactly. 638 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 5: It makes so much sense now in some of that contact, 639 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 5: because I can imagine, especially if you're talking about investor 640 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 5: money rather than like an arrow exterminators, which is a 641 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 5: really big one here at least in our section of Georgia. 642 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 5: Like if you imagine them, this is theoretical but imagine 643 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 5: them buying up a mom and pop store, right, That 644 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 5: doesn't make much sense, I guess unless there are major 645 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 5: investors in a company that are making money by somehow 646 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 5: a publicly traded. 647 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 2: Price going way up. 648 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 5: If they are expanding, right, and they're making acquisitions and 649 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 5: all that stuff, that makes sense to me. 650 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I actually want to save some of what 651 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 3: bug geek is telling us here, because you have hit 652 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 3: upon something that most people don't know, and I think 653 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 3: it's a thing this industry in particular would rather the 654 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 3: public not know, because it's not a sexy thing to 655 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 3: talk about, you know what I mean, It's not as 656 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 3: fun as as on as pop culture conspiracies, because it 657 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 3: is monopolization is an actual conspiracy. And we have to 658 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 3: remember a lot of the substances getting supplied here are 659 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 3: provably carcinogenic. Well, with that note, Buggy, please be safe. 660 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 3: You're obviously a professional in your field. We'd love to 661 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 3: hear your war stories. And Matt, I think you absolutely 662 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 3: nail it in terms of the danger of private equity. 663 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 3: Just like Unilever really is a corporate chameleon. You know, 664 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:36,399 Speaker 3: its tentacles are so disparate and unidentifiable until you get 665 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 3: to the hive brain and then you go, oh wait. 666 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you guys all along, and it's just got 667 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 5: a giant mouth like a whale though that kind of 668 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 5: combs through the ocean of companies and some of them 669 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 5: go in and some of them it spits right out. 670 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 3: With its bailing plates. Yes, private equity, Yes, that seems 671 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 3: to be what is happening. And here then is a 672 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 3: and call right now, This is kind of a think 673 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 3: of this, folks. As ats. We get a lot of 674 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 3: episodes from strange news and listener mail, from your suggestions, 675 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 3: from your input. We want to hear from anybody's worked 676 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 3: with Big Bug in one capacity or another. We also 677 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 3: want to hear about people who have had dangerous experiences 678 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 3: with pesticides. And also their lobby is huge, the power 679 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 3: the pesticide lobby. It is a sleeping giant, and there's 680 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 3: a reason it's not in the press all that often. 681 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 3: So that's the downer. But we don't want to leave 682 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 3: you without some good news to step to, or at 683 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 3: least something interesting, So we will end tonight's exploration with 684 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 3: a letter from home. This one is a little bit different. 685 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 3: I'm putting the spotlight on you guys tonight and all 686 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 3: our fellow listeners. Do you know how I have like 687 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 3: I don't want to say mental dysfunctions. I got quirks, right, 688 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 3: you know, I get a little obsessive about stuff. That's 689 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 3: you know what. We all go a little mad sometimes. 690 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 2: Ben, It's fine, well, Ben, as I will. I just 691 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna give context if you don't mind. 692 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 3: Ben. 693 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 5: Ben's name currently in our recording session is Ben in 694 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 5: an accent. 695 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,919 Speaker 3: That's it's for a different show, a different thing for Ben. 696 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 3: Thank you, Matt, thank you Blackstone Enthusiast, which we'll get 697 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 3: to next week. By the way, that's a really juicy one. 698 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 3: And uh Noel, I give you so many monikers and nicknames. 699 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 3: I like to think you take some of them. Oh 700 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 3: I dig them all? All right? All right, back man 701 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 3: shovel so here as they call him in the Eus Spade. Yes, yeah, 702 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 3: Here is our our letter from home again. This is 703 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 3: a spotlight on you guys and freight Trainer. I hope 704 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 3: you joined this conversation. One of my new obsessions, and 705 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 3: I've been talking with a lot of people about this 706 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,320 Speaker 3: on social media and on different shows that we do. 707 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,959 Speaker 3: Famous Last Meals. Context while back, went to a weird 708 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 3: museum in New York called the Museum with two MS 709 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 3: at the front, two ms at the back, and they 710 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,320 Speaker 3: had an exhibit entirely about famous last meals. And I 711 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 3: have to ask you guys, starting with you first, then 712 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,919 Speaker 3: we'll get to the listeners. If you had a fame 713 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 3: it if you had a last meal defined as the 714 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 3: last thing you eat noel holds barred before a state 715 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 3: or powerful entity executes you, what would that be? And 716 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 3: freight train for you. Since this is a thought experiment, 717 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 3: you do not have the condition in this scenario, So 718 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 3: what would be your dream last meal? 719 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 6: Well, if I'm going to jump in, uh, this is 720 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 6: very much not a thing I can't I can eat 721 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 6: with the condition. It would just a Caesar salad, a 722 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,720 Speaker 6: small one of big a big Caesar salad, no chicken 723 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 6: or hunt. 724 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 3: That just that could be the death salad. That would 725 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 3: be the execution and of itself, it would kill you dead. 726 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 6: I also, like you know, because the condition, I haven't 727 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 6: been able to eat caesar salad for almost two years now, 728 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 6: so I really eencrave in one right now. 729 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 3: So thank you for date. It is delicious. 730 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 2: Just the case, I gotta. 731 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 5: There's one in my fridge that I'm going to eat 732 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 5: immediately following this recording. 733 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 3: You bastard. We need you to have Fomo max. 734 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can FaceTime you while I consume it if 735 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 2: you want. 736 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 3: There's a fetishy internet name for that map. Yeah, it's 737 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 3: like that lady who makes millions of dollars just rolling 738 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 3: her face and bread. Hm you know, bang right bang. Yeah, 739 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,720 Speaker 3: it's similar. Yeah, it's heavily in that genre. 740 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 5: I've been looking to diversify my revenue streams boys, so hey, 741 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 5: it's a big economy. 742 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Bread Lady might have been first 743 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 3: to the post on that. Uh, but the so it's weird. 744 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 3: I've been fascinated with the history of last meets. It 745 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 3: actually dates back our earlier conversation about the Olympics, right, 746 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 3: and the pseudo controversial Paris opening game ceremony. Last meals 747 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 3: are kind of an ancient Greek thing, and they predate 748 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 3: the idea of probably the most famous last meal in 749 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 3: the West, which is, you know, the Last Supper of 750 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. 751 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 5: Uh. 752 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 3: The that's the most famous last meal right now. But 753 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,359 Speaker 3: when I'm looking back through the history of this, it's 754 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 3: quite common throughout the world for people to give someone 755 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,760 Speaker 3: a last meal. And we're going to have a hopefully 756 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 3: fascinating episode on this for Ridiculous History coming up pretty soon. 757 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,880 Speaker 3: But I just I immediately thought of you guys. I 758 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 3: was so fascinated. I've been thinking through what you all's 759 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 3: like based on my understanding of your favorite foods, what 760 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,399 Speaker 3: your favorite what your last meal would be. Uh, there's 761 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 3: no holds barred. Let's pretend that, like, there's no budget, 762 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 3: there's no cutoff. It could be anything. I think the 763 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 3: gold should be barred, choke hold should be you want 764 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 3: to eat a choke hold? 765 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,879 Speaker 4: Well, I told you a joke that I stole from 766 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 4: the I guess that was on the Adam Friedland podcast 767 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 4: where he said he had this is like a whole 768 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 4: like hack. He said his last meal, he would choose 769 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 4: to eat the electric chair every time, and and then 770 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 4: they have to, you know, eat the electric chair. Then 771 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 4: it wouldn't function and they'd have to, you know, give 772 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 4: him a stay of execution and then presumably a new 773 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 4: last meal, and then he'd do it again every time. 774 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 3: I thought this cute. There's the all you can eat 775 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 3: buffet hack. The intent right, like I'm getting you know, 776 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 3: all you can eat crab legs in case dias, I'm 777 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,359 Speaker 3: just never quite done. I'm taking a break. 778 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 5: Uh. 779 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 3: The execution apparatuses of the world are hipped to that one. Unfortunately, 780 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 3: a lot of people wait, so are you saying you're 781 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,840 Speaker 3: joking or would you you would try to do that? 782 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't get down any any part of 783 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,600 Speaker 3: an electric chair. Just think of the fiber in the 784 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 3: minerals and the minerals. Think of the minerals. There's also 785 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 3: this goes state by state here in the US. But 786 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 3: the one thing that's really heartbreaking that you may find 787 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 3: is that typically when people are on death row, whether 788 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 3: or not they were guilty of the crime that they're 789 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 3: being executed for, typically after they've spent that much time 790 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,880 Speaker 3: in lock up, the things they want become relatively simple. 791 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 3: I was talking about this on Daily Zeitgeist. You know, 792 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 3: you might imagine something opulent like ortilon, or you know, 793 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,879 Speaker 3: give me a tiger. I want tiger meet Most people 794 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 3: are like, I want a burger and fries and some 795 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 3: ice cream, or I'd like a three piece fried chicken. 796 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 4: But maybe I really like a double double animal style 797 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 4: from In and Out that'd be good. I think i'd request. 798 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 4: I think I'm finally on board with the idea that 799 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 4: in and out fries or trash. I always try to 800 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,320 Speaker 4: defend them, but they really aren't that good, like the 801 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 4: crispy bits at the bottom of the fry bag. So 802 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,239 Speaker 4: I think i'd ask I request fries from outside a 803 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,400 Speaker 4: different place. Yeah, some nice seasoned fries. 804 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 3: All right? So uh, in and out double animal style 805 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:18,920 Speaker 3: seasoned fries from somewhere else TBD. Caesar salad for freight train, Matt, 806 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:20,680 Speaker 3: Do you have a pick? Oh? 807 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, green curry tie, hot stinged rice and jasmine. 808 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,319 Speaker 5: Need some spring rolls in there, for sure. The kind 809 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 5: of haves shrimp in them, like the. 810 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 4: Like the like the fresh spring rolls or the fried 811 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,760 Speaker 4: spring rolls. Fresh spring rolls, Yeah, with the nice papery 812 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 4: kind of sticky. 813 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 2: The rice paper all day. 814 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 5: And I'm gonna need tofu in that green curry as 815 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,839 Speaker 5: it will absorb the deliciousness. And we gotta make sure 816 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,000 Speaker 5: it's not that runny watery. No, you's gotta have some 817 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 5: got some body and the tofu. Do you like a 818 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,680 Speaker 5: little seer on your tofu? Ye? 819 00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, thank you? What are we playing otherwise now 820 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 3: sometimes kind of like a custardy tofa. Sometimes I don't 821 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,439 Speaker 3: need to see her for the last meal. 822 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 4: Oh no, I get a really rad dish from There's 823 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 4: a place called High Chinese here that does this thing 824 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 4: called Mapo tofu. Yeah, it's fabulous, but the tofu is 825 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,719 Speaker 4: this custardy consistency. It's not fried at all, and I 826 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,200 Speaker 4: love it, But for the most part, I would prefer 827 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 4: a little a little crispiness on my tofu. 828 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 3: I'd be worried if you're eating slovenly tofu. It's it 829 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,800 Speaker 3: holds together. It's custardy. Custardy. That's a pleasant that's a 830 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 3: pleasant mouth feel, guys. 831 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,160 Speaker 2: But if you feed that to me, you can just 832 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 2: take me away. I'm good to go there. 833 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 3: They are also tragic stories because this gets into the 834 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 3: larger conspiracy and problems with the death penalty. Like there 835 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 3: there's at least one case I know of a mentally 836 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 3: impaired person who, upon being led to their execution, saved 837 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 3: their cake for afterwards, and they asked the guard to 838 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 3: keep an eye on it because they didn't understand what 839 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,800 Speaker 3: was happening to them. Wow, But in good news, in 840 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,319 Speaker 3: good news, there are for a while. It seems there 841 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 3: were no limits on what people could order, and our 842 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 3: buddy Miles from Daily Zeitgeist and Jack from Daily Zeitgeist 843 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,880 Speaker 3: they pointed out, maybe this was a show of conscience 844 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,319 Speaker 3: on the part of the prison staff or the executors. 845 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 3: You know, I think they have empathy, you know, especially 846 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 3: when facing down the reaper. 847 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:38,439 Speaker 5: Yeah. 848 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 3: It's a little too late, too little though, maybe so 849 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,719 Speaker 3: I'm just you know, just be a devil's advocate. Yeah, 850 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 3: I think that's appropriate. But it's like, hey, sorry, we're 851 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 3: going to kill you, even though the state has serious 852 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:57,960 Speaker 3: questions about whether you did the crime. Here is a cheeseburger. 853 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,120 Speaker 3: Best we can do as long as it's a double 854 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 3: double animal style baconator baconator, right, because you don't have 855 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,919 Speaker 3: to worry about the calories. Oh boy, that went dark. 856 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,240 Speaker 3: This is This is a fascinating thing to me because 857 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,880 Speaker 3: food is such a fundamental part of human culture, and 858 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,960 Speaker 3: this would be your last chance to participate in that 859 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 3: universal interest. And this is where we throw it to you, folks. 860 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,200 Speaker 3: We want to hear your story, not even your stories. 861 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:38,319 Speaker 3: What is your ideal last meal? Please? Please do tell us, 862 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 3: take all the time, all the detail, you need check 863 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 3: out earlier conversations about this in different shows. Stay tuned 864 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 3: for our Ridiculous History episode that dives into the origin 865 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:54,720 Speaker 3: story of Last Meals, along with notable episodes in the future. 866 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,760 Speaker 3: I hope you are never in this situation, but please 867 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 3: do remember Last Meals in the US do go state 868 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,640 Speaker 3: by state. For instance, in Florida, you have to have 869 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 3: local ingredients and it can't be over forty dollars. In Oklahoma, 870 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,800 Speaker 3: it can't be over twenty five dollars. In Louisiana, the 871 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:19,640 Speaker 3: warden sits down and eats with you. Oh damn, which 872 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,919 Speaker 3: bothers me. It's a little weird. I feel like that's 873 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,239 Speaker 3: I would I would request that I would give a 874 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 3: pass on that. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. And in 875 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 3: Texas they don't do it anymore. 876 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,000 Speaker 4: What if there was a thing in Texas, like an 877 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,279 Speaker 4: episode of King of the Hill where you have to 878 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,800 Speaker 4: eat the biggest giant t bone steak and if you 879 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,359 Speaker 4: finish the whole thing in less than thirty minutes, your 880 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,759 Speaker 4: whole meal is free. Oh and you don't get executed. 881 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 4: That Okay, that would be such a Texas thing. Man, 882 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 4: wouldn't that be like a man? And then you get 883 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,080 Speaker 4: your picture up on the board too. 884 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,320 Speaker 3: You know, Oh my god, he's got a picture of 885 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,760 Speaker 3: the board. Yeah, we want to hear your stories about this, folks, 886 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,880 Speaker 3: and as always, we greatly appreciate your time. Big thanks 887 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,640 Speaker 3: to Laura and big thanks to See, big thanks to 888 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 3: sc bug Geek. Let us know, seriously, tell us in 889 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 3: detail last meal. You will be referenced on on a 890 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,800 Speaker 3: future show perhaps And you might be thinking, Hey, that 891 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,759 Speaker 3: sounds like a fantastic idea. I'd love to tell you 892 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,719 Speaker 3: I've been thinking about this, But how do I get 893 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 3: in touch with your show? 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