1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: Is that smarts. Hi. My name is Jamie Loftus, and 2 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: this is the first episode of My Year in Mensa, 3 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: a four part podcast series about that time I joined 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Mensa as a joke and then nearly got kicked out 5 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: of it after getting targeted by a secret Facebook group. 6 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: There's obviously more to it than that, but I've got 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: to get you interested now. I want to be clear 8 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: that I am not doing this podcast series too strictly 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: dunk on the mensines. I will be dunking on them occasionally, 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: but I'm more doing this to analyze how these sorts 11 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: of groups came to be in the first place and 12 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: sort of what they have evolved into. Because it definitely 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: did start as a dumb joke on my part, but people, 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: unfortunately contain multitudes awful and so what I'm gonna do 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: is take you through the story via my experiences and 16 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: then go back in time to trace the history of 17 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: these organizations and ultimately figure out what the fucking point 18 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: of any of it was in the first place. And 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: if you are listening from Mensa right now, Hi, maybe 20 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: we've met before, maybe we haven't. Um. I hope you 21 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: enjoyed this, and congratulations and doing well on that test once. 22 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: So before we unpack this ship show as a whole. 23 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: Hot is MENSA. I'm glad you asked. I have a 24 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: prepared answer. MENSA is a high i Q organization founded 25 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: in the UK and that requires that members take a 26 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: test for admission or submit test scores within i Q 27 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: beginning at one thirty two, then pay about seventy five 28 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: and member dus a year and hopefully participate in local activities. 29 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's a smart people club and 30 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: people absolutely love to make fun of it. I used 31 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: to love making fun of it, and now it just 32 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: makes me tired to think about. But in short, MENSA 33 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: is the most popular high i Q club on the planet. 34 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: So we're gonna be skipping around in time, gonna go 35 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 1: a little memento on this one. So we're gonna make 36 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: a really fun turn the page noise. Listen to this 37 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: noise I found online. Oh so bear that in mind. 38 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: All right, podcast is starting to the disclaimer at the top. 39 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: Let's hit a little a light music bed just to 40 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: ease us in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a degree 41 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: in radio production and and here I am using it 42 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: for the first time, and so to be clear, All 43 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: of the names in this story, even ones that it 44 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: agreed to or previously one on the record, have been changed. 45 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: We're just keeping it clean here. So MENSA has three purposes, 46 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: which are outlined in its constitution. According to the MENSA 47 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: website this year, they are one to identify and foster 48 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: human intelligence for the benefit of humanity. Two to encourage 49 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: research into the nature, characteristics, and uses of intelligence, and 50 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: three to provide a stimulating intellectual and social environment for 51 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: its members. So we're gonna jump around in time a 52 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: little bit. So we're gonna start towards the end on 53 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: July four, day one of the MENSA Annual Gathering. M 54 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: you do have to question the intelligence of anyone who 55 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: holds a week long conference in Arizona in July, But hey, 56 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: this event was planned by some of the brightest minds 57 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: in the world. I'm told Jamie right. I've been at 58 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: the MENSA Annual Gathering in Phoenix, officially titled MENSA Rising 59 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: for all of five minutes, and one of the few 60 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: faces I recognized from the mostly forgotten high i Q 61 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: Society has already spotted me. It's ten thirty in the 62 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: morning on the fourth of July and my sweat from 63 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: the walkover hasn't dried at and I'm sort of slumping 64 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: in the back of one of the Sheraton Grands millions 65 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: of beige conference rooms. There's a speaker at the front 66 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: for the Afrodds Acts Forbidden Food and Beverages talk, and 67 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: he's going on about millennials in their avocado toast, and 68 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: there's a room full of medicines who are just laughing 69 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: it up. And as I said, joining this group was 70 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: supposed to be a joke originally, but here I am 71 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: full year later, traveling seven hours by greyhound to try 72 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: and take it seriously. So who is the victim of 73 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: the joke? But this guy and I started conversation and 74 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: I whisper yeah and angle my body away because I'm 75 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: sweaty and it's Arizona. He's quick to remind me of 76 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: his name and standing as the second most blocked, reviled, 77 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: and harassed member of an American MENSA Facebook group, the 78 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: unmoderated chaotic online landscape that is cursed and fascinated me 79 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: for over a year. It's called Firehouse, and I incidentally 80 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: am the number one blocked member, even though I've only 81 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: posted there twice. In fourteen months. At an average MENSA 82 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: annual gathering, about two thousand members of American Mensa, which 83 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: hold more than fifty thousand members as of this recording, 84 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: attend the organization's city of choice, and I would estimate 85 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: that about four hundred of them in Phoenix know exactly 86 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: who I am and have a strong opinion about me 87 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: one way or the other. So the man I'm talking to, 88 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: who I'm going to refer to as two, is a 89 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: self described communist originally from Puerto Rico and is one 90 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: of the few people in the MENSA endorsed group that 91 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: regularly posts about radical left politics, only to be excoriated 92 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 1: by the majority conservative and far right leanings in that community. 93 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: Hasn't been bad so far, he says, saying that he 94 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: met some of the far right group members that he 95 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: regularly spars with the night before. He shares an anecdote 96 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,119 Speaker 1: of an older white woman telling him in a black 97 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: man that Donald Trump is a better speaker than Barack Obama, 98 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: which okay, and he sounds equally annoyed and entertained when 99 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: he's telling me this, You feeling okay about being here? 100 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: And while I'm improvising a lie about how I think 101 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: this will actually be really good for me. There's a 102 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: deep sense of dread, just like adding another layer of 103 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: sweat to my body, because I am genuinely pretty nervous 104 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: to be here, and it's not entirely paranoia. There was 105 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: an internal poll of who is the most despised mencin 106 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: and Firehouse, and I won by an absolute landslide, although 107 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: because I'm blocked by most of the people in the group, 108 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: I couldn't witness the victory personally, and feeling nervous around 109 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: a group of two thousand random smart people does sound 110 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: a little far fetched, but there's already a low humming 111 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: of safety concerns surrounding this event. The annual gathering in 112 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: Indianapolis was a pr disaster, ending with one arrest, allegations 113 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: of harassment that it resulted in a man being banned 114 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: from a part of the event space, and two members 115 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: reporting that their drinks had been drugged after official bartenders 116 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: had gone off duty. And believe me, the smarts know 117 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: how to party, and the smarts fiercely protect their own. 118 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: So the backtrack. A little over a year ago, I 119 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: tested into the High i Q Mental Society as an 120 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: overpriced joke for a satirical column that I was writing, 121 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: and the whole admittedly underthought idea was to just kind 122 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: of make fun of what I thought then to be 123 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: an outdated organization of people who had paid these steep 124 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: dues to announce that they were smarter than of the planet. 125 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: So too jokey columns into this conceived project. The online 126 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: trolls of Firehouse discovered my writing and just attacked from 127 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: every angle and for any woman who has expressed an 128 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: opinion online before, I received what I think most would 129 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: consider the starter pack of like online harassment, so middling 130 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: insults about my appearance, guessing who's dick I had sucked 131 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: to get such and such job, demands that I be 132 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: removed from the group and was unfit to be there 133 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: at all, and what most of our house insists to 134 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: this day was a death threat presented as a joke 135 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: because the prevalent idea in this group, The argument then 136 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: and the argument now, is that who you are online 137 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: is not who you are in real life. So after 138 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: posting a few of these comments to my Twitter last 139 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: October without the names redacted, an action I have lived 140 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: to regret. In the preceding months, the satirical column was off, 141 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: and it sort of had to be because the high 142 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: browed dorks I thought I was making fun of it 143 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: didn't actually exist. When it comes down to it, mensa 144 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: is a group of thousands of people who did well 145 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,359 Speaker 1: on a test one time, and the rest is completely unpredictable. 146 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: The people I've interacted with online and in real life 147 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: this past year are protective, They're more right leaning than 148 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: I could have imagined, and they are highly effective organizers 149 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: of the occasional online mob. Sometimes their families who are 150 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: trying to have something in common with each other, and 151 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: sometimes they're older, single people who are seeking community, and 152 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: sometimes there are people from remote areas looking to just 153 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: meet up with other smart people to relate with. There're 154 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: sometimes impossibly kind and other times alarmingly not so. A 155 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: lot of them are misfits, and some of them are 156 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: on the autism spectrum. And at least one lunged and 157 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: accused me of being a spy and a share it 158 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: and suite where a cardboard cutout of Donald Trump was 159 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: looming in the background at one in the morning on 160 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: the fourth of July, and at least one comforted me 161 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: for an hour after that happened. The Mendicines contain fucking 162 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: multitudes and they're more complex than I ever gave them 163 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: credit for, and for that I would suffer. So after 164 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: the organized blocking and harassment campaigns against me started last fall, 165 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: I stopped making fun of the Mentions who did not 166 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: exist and started reporting on the Mentions that did. Going 167 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: to their annual conference called the Annual Gathering in Phoenix 168 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: is what I hope will be my last stop and 169 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: a to finally understand them, as many members have requested 170 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: I do, instead of making fun of them, which is fair, 171 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: and to be clear, I was not here to cause 172 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: any sort of commotion or really rock the boat in 173 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: any way. Uh. Eric Andre already did that, and he 174 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: did it way funnier than I would have, so I 175 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: was truly just there. I'll play you a thing from 176 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: eric Andre's episode. Anyways, Hey guys, I'm here for they 177 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: can mention. Well, I have a I have a fo Q. 178 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm in super Men, So okay, well let me just 179 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: go on this board and I read quick very wait 180 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait how high 181 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: is the guy? Wait? Wait wait wait? I have questions? Question? 182 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: And is that the best? Yes, but it wasn't what 183 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: I was trying to do here. So no, this is 184 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: not an outsider story of random millennial inserting themselves somewhere 185 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: they don't belong and making fun of it. And trust me, 186 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: I was alive and I've written those stories. I didn't 187 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: spend seven d dollars of my own money to come 188 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: to Phoenix in July to tease two thousand people that 189 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: hate me. I was actually invited. The member of Firehouse 190 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: who invited me insisted, as is the company line, that 191 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: I needed to meet them mentions in real life instead 192 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: of judging them from their direct online death threats. And 193 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: so for one second, let's return to that conference room 194 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: on the fourth of July. Two says he's going to 195 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: go to a different talk after growing board with the 196 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: speaker regaling us on the horny properties of chocolate. I stay, 197 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: and I pushed myself up against the wall, and as 198 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm writing a few things down on a pad of 199 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: paper that has the mental logo just burning at the top, 200 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: one of the favorite insults directed at me and Firehouse 201 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: over the past year is just like pulsing through my 202 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: head and it goes like this, I am a mentioned 203 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: the comment says towards the end of a multi paragraph taunt, 204 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: so presumably not a total idiot. M all right, I'm 205 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: taking you back a full year to summer when I 206 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: first decided to take the MENSA test. And I'm sorry 207 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: if you're feeling time jump whiplash, but you know, keep 208 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: up smarty. You know, mensa means stupid lady in Spanish, 209 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: right like crazy lady. This is my friend MICHAELA. And 210 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: we're drunk on those hangover in a bottle shandies they 211 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: sell at CVS the night before I take the MENSA 212 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: admission test. And at this time I did not know 213 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: that mensa meant stupid lady in Spanish, nor that I 214 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: would be reminded of this once a week by someone 215 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: or other for the next year, because it didn't matter 216 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: to me what MENSA meant. Really, the point of what 217 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: I was doing was to not get in and dump 218 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: on the whole experience and in six hundred words or less, 219 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: for what I considered to be my birthright as a 220 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: millennial woman, which is of course an underpaid personal experiences 221 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: column on a Middle and culture website. The concept of 222 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: a pay to play high i Q society is ripe 223 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: to be fun of, and a lot of people have 224 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: done it before. So as we kept drinking and watching 225 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: King of the Hill, I built out my flawed vision 226 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: of who I thought Amensum member was. So I thought 227 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: all men, for sure, fiscally conservative, ideologically liberal, just solving 228 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: puzzles and discussing the comedic merits of the Big Bang theory. 229 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: And this is all wrong except for the last part 230 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: mentions love the Big Bang theory and they're not funny. 231 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: What I had not considered was that having sixty dollars 232 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: and the willingness to wake up on a Sunday to 233 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: take the test at all made me a perfect candidate 234 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: for this group. My entire generation has been hardwired to 235 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: excel at standardized tests at the expense of all else. 236 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: And to be honest, I had been taking practice tests 237 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: in secret because I'm very insecure, and because I wasn't 238 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: having a lot of sex at this time. Besides, at 239 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: this time, I thought that the concept of i Q 240 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: tests had been proven over and over to be elitist 241 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: pseudo science designed to elevate a group who were good 242 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: at multiple choice tests and deciding that makes them intellectually superior. 243 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: Was this assumption as far off as my first picture 244 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: of a mention was. Well, like so many parts of 245 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: this story, that's a complicated question. There's rumblings of talk 246 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: about the role of i Q tests throughout history and 247 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: the high i Q societies that have sprung into occasional 248 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: relevancy over the past hundred years or so. So it's 249 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: kind of hard to say. And the mensine I was 250 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: picturing would probably tell you to look at the evidence 251 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: and decide for yourself. The actual medicine might just tell 252 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: you what they think with little or no sourcing whatsoever, 253 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: which is why I feel comfortable telling you that I 254 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: think i Q testing is still more or less bullshit 255 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: does more harm than it does goods. But please, perceived medicine, 256 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: decide for yourself. So before we can talk about the test, 257 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: we have to talk about how and why the test exists. 258 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry, but we need to do it, 259 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: interrupting this biased gonzo piece to lay out some facts. 260 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: So there's a great podcast released as an offshoot of 261 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: Radio Lab called g Show, which examines the perception of 262 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: the idea of general intelligence. And I'm gonna start by 263 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: citing an episode called the Miseducation of Larry p which 264 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: is an in depth look at how i Q tests 265 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: have been used to racially discriminate, beginning with its inception 266 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: in the early nineteen hundreds and into now they were 267 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: culturally specific to European Americans. This is black psychologist Brandon 268 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: Gamble talking to Radio Lab in the episode, and he 269 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: goes on to explain that contemporary i Q tests were 270 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: designed using only white children as the control group. Now, 271 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: to be clear, MENSA does not use the conventional i 272 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: Q test that the criminal justice system, the NFL, and 273 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: American schools used, but the tenants of the test are identical. 274 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: It asks the question are you smarter than the average person? 275 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: And what does that mean? Our MENSA heads you use 276 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: the rate or r a I T scale that measures 277 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: the following categories. You can you can ask me what 278 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: these categories mean or to me, they all kind of 279 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: sound like the same thing. Crystallized intelligence, fluid intelligence, total intelligence, 280 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: quantitative intelligence, total battery intelligence. That sounds like a car. 281 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: And they have you take the Wonderlock Cognitive ability test. 282 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: And as far as I know, there is no precise 283 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: way to translate your mental scores into a traditional i 284 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: Q number score. But the mental website specifies that if 285 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: a member is hoping to join based on a previously 286 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: taken test, the lowest Binet i Q score accepted is 287 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: one thirty two And right, Banet, I should tell you 288 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: who that is. The originator of the i Q tests 289 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: upon which all of these societies are built is French 290 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: psychologist Alfred Binet, who spent his life studying how children 291 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: learn over time. I'm getting with the inch music, but 292 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: I mean, what if I stuck to it? Maybe I will, 293 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: and devised an exam that would theoretically reflect how the 294 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: student was learning based on an average for their age. 295 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: So if a six year old got a score of 296 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: one hundred on a Binet test, that would mean that 297 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: a six year old was comprehending at the rate of 298 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: Benet's average six year old, and a higher or lower 299 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: score would indicate proficiency on either side. However, and this 300 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: is very important, Benet's i Q test was not designed 301 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: to be exceptionalist in nature, and by exceptionalists in nature, 302 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: I mean you know, it wasn't invented for bragging rights 303 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: or as a value judgment on a person at all, 304 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: which is something that virtually every high i Q society misses. 305 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: It was not a test that was designed to say 306 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: this is how smart you are forever, and you should 307 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: consider yourself better or worse. It was supposed to be 308 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: a reflection of where you're learning is at in a 309 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: specific moment. And this distinction is something that MENSA and 310 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: all societies like it have completely ignored. High ACCU society's 311 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: view intelligence as a permanent and never fluctuating state of being, 312 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: rather than just a reflection of how you took a 313 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: test at one point in your life, the scores of 314 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: which could reflect a circumstance or a relationship to the 315 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: style and content of a single test. And Benet himself 316 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: was adamant on the fact that a score on his 317 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: test was not an enduring statement on what a person's 318 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: intelligence was. In ben I read a book called and 319 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: Get Ready for an incredible French accent les Ideas Mont, 320 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: and he said the following. Some recent philosophers seem to 321 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: have given their moral approval to these deplorable verdicts that 322 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: affirmed that the intelligence of an individual is a fixed quantity, 323 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: a quantity that cannot be augmented. We must protest and 324 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: react against this brutal pessimism. We must try to demonstrate 325 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: that it is founded on nothing. So that's Benet's take. 326 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: You can get an accuse score, but it's not a 327 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: statement on who you are forever. It's a statement on 328 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: where you're at right now. And his work in stating 329 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: that intelligence was not fixed was more or less completely 330 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: undone by a British psychologist named Charles Spearman, who noticed 331 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: that if someone performed well in one section of a 332 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: Benet test, they tended to do well in the other 333 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: sections as well, and Spearman ended up describing this observation 334 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: as general intelligence. Under Spearman's logic, the amount of general 335 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: intelligence every person has is a fixed, unchangeable amount. And 336 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: not coincidentally, Charles Spearman was a eugenicist, and this fixation 337 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: on eugenics, which if you've managed to not have to 338 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: interact with the idea, it is a proven false pseudoscience 339 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: concept that states that the shape of the skull indicates 340 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: your intelligence. Charles Spearman believed this strongly, as did Men's 341 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: A co founder Roland Beryl, as do a lot of 342 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: racist people on the Internet. Unfortunately, Spearman started to introduce 343 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: this idea of general intelligence and the idea that i 344 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: Q is fixed right after Bannet dies. So Spearman's work 345 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: in the nineteen tens led to Bonet's i Q test 346 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: to be used for purposes that were the complete opposite 347 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: of its intent. And because Spearman just happened to start 348 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: spouting this bullshit right after Bannet died, Banet was not 349 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: able to call him from wherever dead people go to 350 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: correct it. The eugenics movement that Spearman believed in would 351 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: use a low i Q score under the idea of 352 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: intelligence being fixed, as an excuse to separate, discriminate against, 353 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: and even euthanize those that the test considered inferior. And 354 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: there's many examples of this happening in America any episode 355 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: of the Radio lab G series called Unfit, which discusses 356 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: the role of euthanization based on arbitrary and frequently biased 357 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: i Q tests, as well as the America and bugfeed 358 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: Bell Supreme Court decision which stated that the compulsory sterilization 359 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: of the quote intellectually disabled for the protection and health 360 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: of the state unquote was not unconstitutional. That is to say, 361 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: in certain cases, the i Q test could kill you 362 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: Menso wasn't founded until the nineteen forties, but its co founder, 363 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: Roland Barrel, was an Australian expatriate whose interests included the 364 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: pseudo science of phrenology, a variant of which is used 365 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: as part of the logic that in cells used today 366 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: to incite violence against women, and was rehashed in the 367 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: controversial book The Bell Curve to discredit the intelligence of 368 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: black people. This since disproved study was focused around because 369 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: these people are obsessed with skulls, the shape of a 370 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: person's skull indicating things about them like intelligence and potential, 371 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: or the lack thereof. Roland Barrel would later complain that 372 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: he was disappointed that people who qualified FERMENTA would sometimes 373 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: come from humble homes because he thought that the premise 374 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: of the group was quote an aristocracy of the intellect unquote. 375 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 1: In The Miseducation of Larry P. The reporters expand on 376 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: the still valid law that black children cannot be given 377 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: an i Q test in the state of California, a 378 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: decision that was based around a case in which a 379 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: young black student was deemed quote educably mentally retarded unquote 380 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: after scoring poorly on an IQ test. This action, which 381 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: was taken without notifying the parents, resulted in five black 382 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: families whose children had been given similar diagnoses filing a 383 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: class action lawsuit against their school district, and ultimately they 384 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: effectively argued that the i Q tests of the time 385 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: were demonstrably biased against your children, and Judge Robert Peckham 386 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: ruled in the family's favor, saying this, we must recognize 387 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: at the outset that the history of the i Q 388 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: test and of special education classes built on i Q 389 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: testing is not the history of neutral scientific discoveries translated 390 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: into educational reform. It is a history of racial prejudice, 391 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: of social Darwinism, and of the use of the scientific 392 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: quote mystique to legitimate such prejudices. So the result of 393 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: this ruling has a fairly complicated historical legacy. Peckham did 394 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: not enforce the discontinuation of i Q testing in California 395 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: for discriminatory separation of students. It was merely the discontinuation 396 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: of giving i Q test to black children. Specifically, black 397 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: students are still not allowed to take the tests in 398 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: California schools, and as tests continued to be updated to 399 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: cater to more than just white students of the nineteen seventies. 400 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: This has kind of created a second prejudice that continues 401 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: to separate students from each other by race. The prejudice 402 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: roots of i Q based evaluation was given another talking 403 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: point in that book, The Bell Curve, which is written 404 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: by Charles Murray and Richard Hearnsan. The Bell Curve is 405 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: uncritical of i Q tests themselves, claiming that the test 406 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 1: has never in its history discriminated across any social, economic, 407 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: or racial divides, and presupposes that intelligence, contrary to everything 408 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: the inventor of the i Q test, Alfred Bennett, ever said, 409 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: is fixed, and attempts to explore why certain racial and 410 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: class groups did better or worse on the test. Quote, 411 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: it seems highly likely to us that both genes and 412 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: environment have something to do with racial differences. Unquote. The 413 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: Bell Curve is a very controversial book that I personally 414 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: have absolutely no respect for, and it rears its had 415 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: every several years since its publication, and whispers of this 416 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: book still permeate Mensa to this day. A few references 417 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: are made to it in the time that I spend 418 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: in Phoenix, whether it be in praise of a discussion 419 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: of intelligence, or as quote disgusting racist bullshit unquote during 420 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: a casual meal at a Scottish Hooters restaurant. There has 421 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: been a talk at a MENSA annual gathering on the 422 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: topic of the Bell Curve sometime in the past five 423 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: years from a member that firehouse members described as an 424 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: unabashed white supremacist, which causes yet another wave of drama 425 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: at the annual event. Now MENSA itself was founded shortly 426 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: after World War Two ended in ninety in Oxford, England, 427 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: by English barrister and biochemist Lancelot linel Ware and the 428 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: aforementioned Australian Elita's blowhard, Roland Barrel. These two guys just 429 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: met on a train by chance. They'd both recently become 430 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: interested in i Q tests, and they were enthusiastic about 431 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: founding a society for fellow smarts, and like many people 432 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: who meet on public transportation, menton history indicates that Lancelot 433 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: linel Ware quickly grew annoyed with Roland Barrel's bullshit after 434 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: the organization was formed, and only rejoined and participated in 435 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: MENSA when his co founder died. Unlike its European counterpart, 436 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: American men has a far more left leaning origin story. 437 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: It was started in Brooklyn in nineteen sixty by Peter 438 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: and Enez Sturgeon, a forty something year old married couple 439 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: closely aligned with the Socialist Workers Party. MENSA International since 440 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: its founding has ballooned to include over one hundred thousand members, 441 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: most of which live in America and the UK, and 442 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: as mostly who we'll be talking about. So it's impossible 443 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: to separate any high i Q society from the history 444 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: of the test itself. But that doesn't mean that i 445 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: Q testing is entirely bad or sociologically completely useless. Radio 446 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: Labs g explores a few different examples of i Q 447 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: testing proving beneficial, including its function in curbing the lead 448 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: industry during the Reagan era, when a doctor effectively argued 449 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 1: that putting lead in public water would lower the general 450 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: i Q of the population and affect the workforce. And interestingly, 451 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: this argument relies on Benet's assertion that i Q is 452 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: not fixed and can be influenced by external fact. So hey, 453 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: that's something, but this does not get MENSA off the hook. Unfortunately, 454 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: MENSA does not have a history of using the test 455 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: in this way. To get into MENSA, you get a 456 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: maximum of two chances to formally test in for your 457 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: entire life. One option is the traditional standardized test option 458 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: that I took, and the other is called the culture 459 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: fair option that is considered a better option for those 460 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: that don't speak English as a first language or quote 461 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: have language processing problems such as dyslexia unquote. That information 462 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: comes from MENSA UK. If both of these options don't 463 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: yield qualifying scores in the top two percent of the population, 464 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: you don't get to take the test again in one year, 465 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: or ten years, or fifty years. In high i Q societies, 466 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: Spearman's hate enabling assumption that intelligence is fixed and unchangeable 467 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: is the logic used. And conveniently, there is no conceivable 468 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: way under this model that intelligence could be wasted. M hm. 469 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: So with this in mind, we're going back to summer. 470 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: I'm taking the test for real this time, no more sidetrack. 471 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: I show up hungover at a college in Pasadena on 472 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: the morning of my MENSA admissions test, and I am 473 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 1: ready to fail. The test, which is taken by sections 474 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: and all of those confusing sounding rate categories, takes about 475 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: two hours to take and it's administered by a proctor 476 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: who splits his time between engineering and repairing large orchestral organs, 477 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. I do tease this engineer, organ 478 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: intellectual guy a fair amount in what I thought was 479 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: going to be a one off column about taking a 480 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: standardized test that to me closely resembled the S A T. S. 481 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,479 Speaker 1: And we even maintain a friendly email correspondence for a 482 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: little while after the test is over. But he strikes 483 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: me at first as the typical smart, dorky mensine. I've 484 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: been going on about to my friend the night before. 485 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: He's kind of a nerd, and he's a proud nerd. 486 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: In hell, if I can knock him for knowing how 487 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: to fix an orchestral organ at the Disney Concert Hall, 488 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: that's fuck me. I mean. The only other people taking 489 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: the test this day a local CrossFit law student and 490 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: his much friendlier girlfriend. Unfortunately I didn't find out what 491 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: she did, but because he was talking too much to 492 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: let her get a word in edgewise. But all three 493 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: of us listen to the proctor patiently between sections that 494 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: are on math, logic, vocabulary, and verbal intelligence, and while 495 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: we're supposed to be focusing on the test, the proctor 496 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: occasionally mentions what he feels are the benefits of the 497 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: mensine lifestyle. He tells us about game nights we can 498 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: attend if we get in, how fun local meet up 499 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: dinners are should we be smart enough to attend them. 500 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: And this is like shortly after her editory came out 501 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: and he just like spoiled the entire movie. And if 502 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: you've seen them that movie, that's a really has really 503 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: mean to spoil that movie. But anyways, we're reminded that 504 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: we only have this one chance to take this test 505 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: in our one human life. And if we fail this test, 506 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: we can take the culture Fair test, and if we 507 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: fail that test, we are doomed to resume our lives 508 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: not going to game nights and dinners with this specific 509 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: test proctor, so the stakes are high. It's very important 510 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: to him, and he lets us know. And it is 511 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: a little funny. Sorry. In my column at the time 512 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: after I took the test, I wrote, quote, maybe you 513 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: don't feel non mentioned deserve you, or maybe the opposite. 514 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: That's a manic episode. You set yourself up to fail. 515 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: It's a waste of money that could end hopefully in 516 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: community unquote quoting myself. Awesome. So if the history of 517 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: the i Q test in the controversial application of fixed intelligence, 518 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: is any indication. I don't think the fact that I 519 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: got into MENSA makes me even remotely smarter than other people. 520 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: It does make me remotely had sixty dollars, woke up 521 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,479 Speaker 1: on time and had taken a lot of standardized tests 522 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: in the early two thousand's. I firm we believe if 523 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: that you, who have taken the time to listen to 524 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: this could get into MENSA, my stupidest acts could get 525 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: into MENSA, and he's and he is dumb, my con 526 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,719 Speaker 1: artist uncle could get into MENSA, and I just as 527 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: firmly believe that all three of us being in that 528 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: group wouldn't make us better than anyone. It would only 529 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: make us a pair of new balance is poorer, because 530 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: I think all it takes to get into a group 531 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: like this is a little bit of predisposed aptitude for 532 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: a standardized test, and a little bit of ego. And conversely, 533 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: if you historically don't test well, which many intelligent people don't, 534 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: you probably won't do well in this test. It's almost 535 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: as if it's a flawed metric. So I take the 536 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: test and the email comes two weeks later, while I'm 537 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: in the dressing room of a Forever twenty one trying 538 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: on something that looks bad, and it says this, congratulations, 539 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: your MENSA admissions testing has been scored, and based on 540 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: the percentile rank, you qualify for admission into MENSA. I 541 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: would tell you how my scores translate to a formal 542 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: i Q test, but as I said, the Intelligence Index 543 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: scores that you're given are only used for MENSA admissions. 544 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: I got nothing for you. And when I get this email, 545 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm like laughing my mostly exposed ass off, and I 546 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: do feel a small tinge of pride that I remind 547 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: myself to feel ashamed about later. And I write my 548 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: next column, which was called good news they let dumb 549 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: sluts into MENSA Now. And I wrote that as a 550 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: follow up to my first piece, which is about taking 551 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: the test. And in this piece, I'm joking about infiltrating 552 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: the local Los Angeles branch. But I think it's pretty 553 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: clear that I don't actually have an intention to, because 554 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: at this point I've already spent half of my freelance 555 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: paycheck just to take the test and enroll in the 556 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: group to get a membership card that I use to 557 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: take stupid Instagram pictures with to this day. So continuing 558 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: in MENSA for me makes no financial sense, not even 559 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: for those cool, smart people game nights that I'd heard 560 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: so much about. And the hundreds or some people that 561 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: usually read my column seem to enjoy it. A handful 562 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: of mensa reach out to say it made them laugh 563 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: and to say welcome. And two people tell me about 564 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: a closed Facebook group that might be of interest to me, 565 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: and yes it is that one. The first is my 566 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: test proctor, the organ fixing engineer, and he says, quote, 567 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: the articles were very funny, I'll be it occasionally mean spirited. 568 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: He also thanks me for changing his name in my column. 569 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: This is sort of unrelated, but this was written in 570 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: response to an email i'd written him asking if I 571 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: could see what an orchestral organ repair looked like in person, 572 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: to which he said no. So if anyone is wondering 573 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: who the dork and this email thread is, it is me. 574 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: And then another mensum member contacts me about Firehouse with 575 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: a far sterner warning and he says, quote, I am 576 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: writing you because menso is not just silly fun board games, 577 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: hug dots, don't ask, and happy nerds. There's also a 578 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: nasty alt right undercurrent that you can find in MENSA 579 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: Facebook groups. They consist mainly of Trump supporters, and if 580 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: you join, you will be amazed at what supposedly intelligent 581 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,239 Speaker 1: people believe. Okay, so I searched for the group on 582 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: Facebook and request to join, and in keeping with the 583 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: inclusive spirit of MENSA, I also need to send them 584 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: my membership number to qualify for entry into the group. 585 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: His message continues, quote, these groups are no moderation, which 586 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: is the code of angry white people, for I want 587 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: to say racist things without a moderator calling me a racist. 588 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 1: In any case, if you are looking to blow people's 589 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: minds with a behind the scenes look at MENSA and 590 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: that might be a good place to start. And Okay, 591 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: I know that sounds like a lot, but once Firehouse 592 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: grants me access, the preconceived mention I had been making 593 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: fun of this whole time completely implodes. There are some 594 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: scattered liberal ideas posted in Firehouse, but the vast majority 595 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: are far right leaning news sources, pixelated political memes, dirty 596 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: inside jokes, and something called the boob thread. I tell 597 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: a few of my friends about the group, but I 598 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: hold off on writing about it, thinking back to what 599 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: that mention had mentioned just before warning me of the 600 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: group's off He said, quote, if and when you make 601 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: fun of MENSA, please don't forget that a lot of 602 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,439 Speaker 1: these people were bullied because they were smart, and they 603 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 1: finally found a club where they belong and where everybody 604 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: is a little awkward or at least understands them. And 605 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: that's completely fair. But does that apply to a far 606 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: right closed Facebook group. I'm a little lost on this, 607 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 1: So I go back to the group and I read 608 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 1: its description and it says, quote, this group, like MENSA, 609 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 1: is very diverse and can range from fluffy kittens two 610 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: items that will make you wish you could bleach your brain. 611 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: If someone upsets you or post things not to your liking, 612 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: reported to Facebook and or block this person. The administrators 613 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: will not take any actions to edit or delete post unquote. 614 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: So here I am a sweet young lady in an 615 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 1: unmoderated online forum. This lack of moderation is the same 616 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: logic that what I do think it is interesting in 617 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: the abstract has given way to websites like four chan, 618 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: eight chan, and other dark corners of Reddit that function 619 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: as venues for hate speech, which makes some members of 620 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: the group extremely vulnerable. But what really threw me about 621 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: the Firehouse group was the logo in the top right 622 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: corner of the page. Firehouse, I saw was a group 623 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: that was owned by the official American Mens of page 624 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: and was ostensibly endorsed and encouraged by it. So a 625 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: Facebook group of undercover bigots is unfortunately nothing new, but 626 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: their encouragement by what is supposed to be the smartest 627 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: organization in the country was not something that I had 628 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: seen before. What academic institution in their right mind would 629 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: proudly endorse a group that clearly states that no one 630 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: is safe and that hate speech would not be deleted 631 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: unless the historically faulty Facebook reporting system deemed it so. 632 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: And this back in July is something that I think 633 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: I could write about. But even so, I was nervous 634 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: because when you're comedian online you encounter some pretty brutal 635 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: comments that I didn't know if I wanted to put 636 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: myself in the comment section line of fire because I 637 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: think that there is an exact number of times you 638 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: can be called an ugly cunt before you impulsively get 639 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: a terrible haircut and Switcher meads and I had already 640 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 1: passed this point a long time ago, but I'm still interested. 641 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: And I talked to a few of my friends to 642 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: see if this idea an official organizational endorsement of a 643 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: far leaning, unmoderated group, was something they'd ever come across, 644 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: and whether it was a story worth pursuing, even in 645 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: spite of whatever backlash might happen. But while I was 646 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: thinking about this man that Firehouse group, that they do 647 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: not wait for you to be ready and make a 648 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: rational decision, and I never have time to reach a conclusion. 649 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:48,760 Speaker 1: They find me first, and they are not happy. Alright. 650 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: That was episode one of my year in mensa. Thank 651 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,919 Speaker 1: you so much to all of my wonderful friends who 652 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: contributed voice work to this. They are Miles Gray, Maggie 653 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: may Fish, if you, Waddy Way, Caitlin Durante, Danny Fernandez, 654 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,760 Speaker 1: and Isaac Taylor. And thank you to Sadie Dupre wrote 655 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: the incredible theme song. And to all those medicines out there, 656 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: see you. In episode two, Gang