1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one sixty one, 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Episode one up. Ter Daily Guys of I Heart Radio. 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. It's Monday, November twenty three, uh 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: some fifty nine, eight days until January twentie. My name 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien, a K, It's Daily's I my name's 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien. It's Daily's I oh Daily's I that is 8 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: Curtsey Crizzy. I'm Hucci Mane and I'm thrilled to be 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: joined by two day's special guest co host. She is 10 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: the hilarious, the talented litlsam herself, Jamie laf a K 11 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: sees the fucking hotels in Los Angeles. A K. I 12 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: learned that Still Gates and Rashida Jones started a podcast 13 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: and now I'm obset. Wait what I'm started a podcast together? 14 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: Bill Gates and Rashida Jones started a podcast together? Why? 15 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. It doesn't compute for me. How did 16 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: they meet? It's one of those things where it's like, 17 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: how do these two people know each other? What? How much? 18 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: Who is even selling out in this equation? And I 19 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: mean I don't care enough about any She's really interesting 20 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: and I love her and this is like, what are you? 21 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: But what are you doing? This wrote toy story for 22 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: she just did that. She did that like that's my 23 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: favorite movie of all time and she just like and 24 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: I still forget, like every every time I watch it 25 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: that she wrote it. And then I just but a 26 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: podcast with a billionaire and the two thousand and twenty 27 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: it's just like, what is going on here? That feels 28 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: like a Google Camp match, like they were Google Camp roommates. 29 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: You know. It sounds like a mad lib. You're just 30 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: like who truly does? And so I have all those questions, 31 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: but I don't care about the answers enough to actually 32 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: listen to an episode, So that's it'll remain a mystery. Well, 33 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat 34 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: by the hilarious, the talented, the great Bridget Oh I 35 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: love the air horns. Thank you for that introduction. I 36 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: always feel I can like hear the air horns even 37 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: when you're not actually doing them. So I are you? Yeah? 38 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: How have you been? Things are good? Uh? I feel 39 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: like how are you? As almost like a triggering question 40 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: these days, like what do you What is that supposed 41 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: to mean? How am I? Um, you are in d C. 42 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: I am in d C coming at you from Columbia 43 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: Heights Heights? Uh? And is there because that that city 44 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: changes based on like the administration? Right? Absolutely? Yeah, I 45 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: moved I lived in d C for a really long time. 46 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: I moved here at the tail end of the Bush administration. 47 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 1: Was here for both Obama administrations and the Trump administration. 48 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: So I'm definitely the city definitely changes based on the 49 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: current administration. I can tell you that in when I 50 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: was here for the Bush administration, you would see dudes 51 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: walking around with like, um, cowboy booths and like cowboy 52 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: hats and like, um, what do you call those? Yeah, 53 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: blow ties? That there was a real weird Texas vibe 54 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: because of George Bush. Yeah, so the city definitely changes 55 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: based on who is in office and like what kind 56 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: of people are moving to the city for what kind 57 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: of administration? Oh my god, that's brutal. I wonder what Biden, 58 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: what Biden does, are going to look like Washington A 59 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: lot of people with like really tight faces. Maybe the 60 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 1: vineer movement is finally going to do Yeah, it has 61 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: the changeover happened yet, like have uh, the maga folks, 62 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: vacated people are just jubilant, like I think it is. 63 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: You know, when you live in d C, it's like 64 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: you see these assholes around, like I saw Ivanka Trump 65 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: outside of the Soul Cycle ones. You know, you see 66 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: these people like I don't imagine that me and a 67 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: lot of Trump administration officials were going to the same places. 68 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: But every now and then you'll see them. If you 69 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: go to like a fancy restaurant or something, you'll see officials, 70 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: Like all my friends have planned out. Like what would 71 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: you say if you saw, you know, Jared Kushner around 72 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: on the street, what would you do? Like, would you 73 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: yell at? What would you do? But the vibe in 74 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: d C is pure jubilant. I'm talking people spraying champagne 75 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: on the streets, people hanging out of cars screaming, we 76 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: cannot wait to be rid of this motherfucker and all 77 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: of his So we're just so happy. Yes that were 78 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: you in DC on election or not election day, but 79 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: day of the day they called it. I was in 80 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: d C the day it was called. Um it was 81 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: so I think wait a minute, I think I came 82 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: a day later. It was the vibe was still very 83 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: jubilee and honestly, like all my friends who were in 84 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: DC when it was called, they the images they showed me, 85 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: the like videos they showed me. People stood out on 86 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: their balconies and banged pots and pants and celebration. The 87 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: only thing that I could even compare it to is 88 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: I happened to be in Paris when France won the 89 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: World Cup. Compared to it was like that level of 90 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: of collective joy, like strangers high fiving in the streets, 91 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: banging pots and pans is my favorite because it's just 92 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: like so just infantile and just like I'm happy banging. 93 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: It's such a like, yeah, it's such a like infantile 94 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: except Russian of of happiness where you're like, I just 95 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: gotta make this loud. That rules. Um. Alright, Bridget, we're 96 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: gonna get to know you a little bit better in 97 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners just 98 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: a couple of things we're talking about. I feel like 99 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: we breathed past the Giuliani press conference, so we're gonna 100 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: just check in with that one more time. And we 101 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: didn't talk about his his seems at all, his like 102 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: skin that's falling apart at the seems Yeah. Yeah, and 103 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: his my cousin Binny performance. Uh. There's also an underrated 104 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: ghoul in the background. His um pal Sydney Powell is 105 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: very underrated and her background is interesting. So we'll talk 106 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: about that. We'll talk about uh st Pope John Paul 107 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: the second Uh turns out he not not the best 108 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: guy in the world. We'll talk about him. We'll talk Jamie. 109 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: You have a podcast coming out today about Lolita. Yeah, 110 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: so we're gonna talk about that, uh. And we're gonna 111 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: talk about the song You're Welcome and Alc Baldwin's sign 112 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: that he put up at the end of SNL saying 113 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: You're welcome, all of that plenty more. But first, Bridget, 114 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: we like to ask our guests, what is something from 115 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: your search history that is revealing, that is embarrassing that 116 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: you don't want us to know about. Well, I don't 117 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: know that I would say it's embarrassing, but um, something 118 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: that I have dedicated a lot of time to researching 119 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: and reading every single comment about is Janet Huber, the 120 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: original Aunt viv on Fresh Prince of bel Air. They 121 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: just had over union on I think HBO, Max and 122 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, oh my god, are they gonna 123 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: break out Janet Huber. I don't know if y'all watched it, 124 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: but Janet Huber and Will Smith finally buried the hatchet, 125 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: and so I have and doing some deep googling. I 126 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: needed to know every every detail of this feud to 127 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: remind myself she has held a grudge against him for 128 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: like since the you know, nineties, This is this is this, 129 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: this beef has really aged and they realized that was 130 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: still an active beef. Well, they buried the hatchet just 131 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: this week. But it's been like if this beef was 132 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: a child, it will be like twenty years old, I 133 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: will be old. Yeah. Maybe it's like I wonder if 134 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: like Will Smith is in the reconciling mood because of 135 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: his journey at the Red Table, remember that just like 136 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: just dragged me, you guys, Just yeah, I mean it's interesting, 137 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: Like the clip that I saw, she really you know, 138 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: was open about she was like you said, I was difficult, 139 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: and that really damaged my career. Like that's not a 140 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: thing that somebody a star can say about a woman 141 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: of color and not have it like really damage career. 142 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: And like the fact like that's kind of I don't 143 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: know that that's the sort of reconciliation that you don't 144 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: usually get. Usually it's just them being like, yeah, but 145 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: we're past it and like not like actually like bringing 146 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: the the actual damage to the foreground. I don't know. 147 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm really excited to watch the reunion now. Yeah, you 148 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: should definitely watch it. It is. I mean, I'm not 149 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: gonna lie. I cried it's it was. And also it's 150 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: like quarantine vibe, so like everything is like hitting up 151 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: at least me, Everything is hitting me emotionally in ways 152 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: that it maybe wouldn't before. But I think you're right. 153 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: I think I was happy to see the conversation take 154 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: that turn of like, well, what does it mean when 155 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: you call a black woman difficult in Hollywood? And actually 156 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: it means a lot. It's not you're not just casually 157 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: doing that. Um. But then also it really got me thinking, 158 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: like a lot of us, myself included, like grew up 159 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: on Fresh Prints, like they kind of weirdly, even though 160 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: it's a television show and they're actional, they felt like 161 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: family to me in a lot of ways. And watching 162 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: them reunite now and then talk about Uncle Phil who 163 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: passed away, like you really see like, oh wow, this 164 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: is like I feel like I grew up with them 165 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: in a kind of way. I don't think it's very cheesy, 166 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: but it was just really hitting me and all the 167 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: emotions that I didn't realize that that was the grounds 168 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: that their feud had been on. I just knew that 169 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: they didn't like each other for some reason. I have 170 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: to watch this. Yeah, you should definitely watch it. Yeah. Yeah, 171 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that either. And I applaud her for 172 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: like coming out and you know, be like saying that 173 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: to like one of the biggest, most powerful stars in 174 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: Hollywood and also him like leaving that in because it 175 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: is like, yeah, I think people realized a little bit 176 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: more like the depth of of what happened there. Yeah, 177 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that just this is all just from 178 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: the trailer, but that Uncle Phil was like a Shakespearean actor. 179 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: And after the scene, yeah, after the scene where Will 180 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: was like why what does love me? Uh? And like 181 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: Uncle Phil like hugs him like he said into his ear. 182 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: Now that's acting. That's that was acting. That was so good. 183 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: Not that you say he was a Shakespearean actor. Everything 184 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: about like his voice, his like the way he carries 185 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: himself that his Shakespearean down that back wall with gravitas. 186 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: He really had a presence. And uh. And then Carlton 187 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: when he did the Carlton dance, he walked up to 188 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: one said, that's dancing. That's not true. What is something 189 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: you think is overrated? Something I think is overrated. All 190 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: of your listeners in Atlanta are not gonna like this. 191 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: But t I, y'all, I know that I know that 192 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: we have speaking of the red table. T I has 193 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,359 Speaker 1: been brought to the red table before. You know his foolishness. 194 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: But I something that he said recently. The iidists cannot abide. 195 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: You know, he's he's not. He's known for saying things 196 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: that are a little bit out of pocket. But he, 197 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: in a complex interview, said that he does not need 198 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: to wear masks test curb the spread of COVID because 199 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: he drinks hot tea and hot beverages kill COVID in 200 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: your throat before before that, because because he drinks hot tea, 201 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: he doesn't need to wear masks. And exactly, exactly, and 202 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: here's my thing, I and I think that he needs 203 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: to loudly and publicly correct this harmful misinformation. I think 204 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, especially seeing is that he is such a 205 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: popular figure in black communities and seeing how much Black 206 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: communities have been ravaged by COVID, It's just so irresponsible 207 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: to get on your platform and spew dangerous falsehoods. Somebody 208 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: somewhere is going to hear this and be like, Oh, 209 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: I don't need to wear a mask, or I drink 210 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: hot tea, or I have a good immune system or something. 211 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: And I just think now is not the time to 212 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: be amplifying harmful misinformation when it comes to COVID, particularly 213 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: to Black communities who have already been hit so hard. 214 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: So t I, I'm sorry, I I really don't like it. 215 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: It's so disappointed. God damn it. That's also just like, 216 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: of all the COVID myths that have like taken hold 217 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: that one is one of the laziest ones. You're just 218 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: like tight. You have to imagine that you're just one, 219 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: like one, like someone who survived COVID, being like, I 220 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: I too drank tea and yet hot tea, right, Oh no, 221 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: I drink coffee. Like It's like, what are you talking about? 222 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: T I, God damn it? What is something you think 223 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: is underrated? Something I think it's underrated is the lesser watched, 224 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: less popular franchises in the Real Housewives uh series. I 225 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: just watched Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. I don't 226 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: know if you guys have seen any of it, but 227 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,359 Speaker 1: I think if people should give it a chance. Potomac. 228 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: I was a little bit late to the game on Potomac, 229 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: but I was under the weather, so I spent some 230 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: time getting caught up. And I think folks should give 231 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: it a chance. It's under their underrated m damn. All 232 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: right there. We talked about it a little bit on 233 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: Friday as well with with Alison Rosen. It seems like 234 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: it seems like it's sweeping. It's definitely sweeping my timeline 235 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: at least, so I feel like I just have to 236 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: like start watching so I know what's going on. I'm 237 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: having FOMO by not watching. Yes, let me give you 238 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: a little preview for Salt Lake City. One of the 239 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: castmates is married to her step grandfather. So you heard that, 240 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: you were so correctly. She is. Her grandmother died and 241 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: in her will, her grandmother spelled out that essentially it 242 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: was like I would like you to marry my husband, 243 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: and so she does. Her her husband is also her 244 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: step grandfather. You heard that correctly, What is the different 245 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: massive My head hurts. I feel like I haven't. I 246 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: haven't done enough research into Salt Lake City. Not that 247 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: like that anecdote is like, see, this is normal for 248 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. But people I keep hearing people being like, yeah, 249 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: I hear salt Lake cities beautiful, and uh, that's not 250 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: like a thing that necessarily I had always heard and 251 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: I don't. I've never been there, so um, I need 252 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: to show the show makes Salt Lake City look awesome, 253 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: Like I've been there. I've been. I've been there once 254 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: for Sundance and it was really beautiful. But you know, 255 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: you go for a film festival and it's not really 256 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: the same thing as going but it the show makes 257 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: salt Lake City looks like a very fun, beautiful place 258 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: to live. Yeah, we have some of some of the 259 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: best uh fans of Zeke. Some of the best members 260 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: of the Zeke Gang are are from Utah and Salt 261 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: Lake City. Yeah, it's interesting. I've also like read an 262 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: entire article about the city planning of Salt Lake City, 263 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: so of like, I do know stuff about salt Lake 264 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: City and I just don't. I haven't like really like gone, 265 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: or I feel like I need to do a deeper dive, 266 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: and by that, I mean I need to watch Real Housewives. 267 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: With Salt Lake City rail they apparently, uh shot an 268 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: entire season of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City that 269 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: they just scrapped. They're just like, yeah, we can't use this, 270 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: it's not interesting enough, and then went back and recast 271 00:16:55,280 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: it with just the um the people with the wildest 272 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: back stories that they can find. That makes so much sense, 273 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: because the women on this show are fucking wild, like 274 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: they're all their backstories. Mary's back stories obviously the wildest 275 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: cause she's married to her grandfather m but you know, 276 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: and also WHTU point out Mary is not a Mormon um, 277 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: which is you would think she would be, but she's not. 278 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, all of the women have I can see 279 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: that they were casting for wildness for sure. So intense. 280 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: That's I can't imagine imagine being told that your entire 281 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: season is being scrapped because you're too boring. That's hard. 282 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: That's what happened in DC. They had a DC they 283 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: had they had a D had a d c uh 284 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: season that aired the biggest, like, um, the biggest plot 285 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: line was that the White House party crashers? Do you 286 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: remember them couple that crashed the White House um state dinner? 287 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: That wasn't the biggest plotline. And then I guess people 288 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: thought it was too boring because like DC drama, it 289 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: is kind of boring. Yeah, that was just it. They 290 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: had one season, one and done, and that's not Potomac. 291 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: That's different. Potomic is different. Potomac is much better. I 292 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: would say I didn't. I didn't watch Potomac for a 293 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: long time because it almost felt like a little too 294 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: close to home, Like these women could be my mom's friends. 295 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: It's like a certain kind of like bougie black lady 296 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: that I was like, Oh, this is a little too 297 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: close to home. But it's definitely worth checking out. One 298 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: of these days, I'm going to watch a Housewives. It 299 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: sounds like Salt Lake City is a fun place to start. 300 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: Saltmake City is at a place to start if you 301 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: if you were just like I'm trying to casually dip 302 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: in just to you know, get a little taste. It's 303 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: to start, Jamie, you've never watched the Real Housewives? No, 304 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: I haven't. The big it's a big blind spot I 305 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: have that's that's amazing. That's you're I think you're one 306 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 1: of the few Americans left. Maybe that explains your unique 307 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: cultural perspective, is that you just a life free of housewine. 308 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm pickled by the housewives franchise. All right, let's take 309 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll come right back, and we're 310 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: back and the virus out of control. Um. Instead of 311 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: working with Biden to help the transition, Trump is actively 312 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: sabotaging the transition, not giving him access to any of 313 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: the information that he would need to actively prepare to 314 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: take over our battle against the coronavirus. I feel like Thanksgiving, 315 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, the CDC at the end of last week 316 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: said you can't you shouldn't travel basically for Thanksgiving. I'm 317 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: also like starting to see uh and not just from 318 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: uh science science expert t I, but starting to see 319 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: like studies that question other masks, like are enough anymore? 320 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: And not not like that you can just like go 321 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: do anything with masks on, but that Yeah, it seems 322 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: like all the different things that we're working before are 323 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: now not really working anymore, or like you could get 324 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: away with like taking risks before that you can't really 325 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: get away with, like they're in the UK their studies 326 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: saying that going to the grocery store is like the 327 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: way people are all catching it now, whereas that had 328 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: seemed to be fairly safe, like before, not like safe 329 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: that you can walk around without a mask on, but 330 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: like going with mask and like ppe and getting in 331 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: and getting out and like was a thing that you 332 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: could do. And now they're saying that might not be 333 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: the case anymore, just because it's so prevalent. Yeah, I 334 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: want I've been saying stories to that effect. I want 335 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: to be like careful not to say because it's like 336 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: this is all so far out of my area of 337 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: knowing anything, but it does it seem like I'm trying 338 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: to remember where I saw this story. But that, um, 339 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: it's becoming easy. Like you don't have to quote unquote 340 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: make a mistake to contract the virus. You don't need 341 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: to show up maskless to an event. It's like smaller 342 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: groups are contracting it more easily just because it's so 343 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: it's it's everywhere. It's it's scary. Um, I will find 344 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: out where I learned that, because it was a legitimate 345 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: news source. But and then also something that I I 346 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: was um just seeing from people that you know, it's 347 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: I hate that it's so normalized at this point, but 348 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: like someone's tweet that where they're like I found out 349 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: I have COVID nineteen. Uh, we all know what these 350 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: tweets look like. Um, but the kind of inherent shame 351 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: that's attached to it where it's like at this point, 352 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there's just no, it's so prevalent that it 353 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: kind of like breaks your heart on top of seeing 354 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: someone have to have this disease and let it hopefully 355 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: pass through them safely, but also experience this shame and 356 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 1: feeling of personal failure when it's like all they did 357 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: was go to this store to get food to survive. 358 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: It's just h yeah, yeah, I completely agree with you. 359 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: I think that's such an important thing to raise. Um. 360 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: I think that when it comes to conversations around quote 361 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: like healthy bodies, quote sick bodies, we still have a 362 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of work to do in terms 363 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: of like addressing able is um and stigma around illness 364 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: just in general, and how we have frame these conversations. 365 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: You know, if you get COVID, it is not a 366 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: personal or moral failing. Right at this point, people are 367 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: getting it who, like you said, like did like they would. 368 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: They did everything right. That's quote unquote, that's what they 369 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,239 Speaker 1: thought right. And so I think at this point like 370 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: it's very difficult to do. But I think what we 371 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: need to remind ourselves is if we had a functional 372 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: federal government that would pay people to stay home and 373 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: pay businesses to stay closed and incentivized making smart choices 374 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: for your health and for your body, people wouldn't feel 375 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: this way. But we've really been left on our own. 376 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: And you know, in the absence of that kind of 377 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: strong federal leadership that we can all agree on, we're 378 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: left to blame ourselves, blame each other because we don't 379 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: have some sort of centralized leadership making response, helping people 380 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: make responsible choices to keep us safe. And so it's 381 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: a it's a natural inclination to be like, oh, well, 382 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: what did I do to cause this? Or this person 383 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: was responsible, they caused this. All of that is just 384 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: is understandable, but it is taking away from the fact 385 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: that we don't have strong federal leadership to be dictating 386 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: a response to keep us safe. Yeah, so let's talk 387 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: about what they're doing instead tweeting about how they were cheated. Yeah, 388 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: my gosh, So I mean this the press conference that 389 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: happened I think last Thursday is kind of an all 390 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: time iconic just crystallization of of everything that's going on 391 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: with this administration. So Giuliani and Trump's other legal team, 392 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: Sydney Pale, who's a lawyer who also defended Enron executives 393 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: back when that happened in the early two thousand's, which 394 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: I feel like there's a similarity there, and that Enron 395 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: executives basically like took the concept of money and like 396 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: deconstructed it and like scammed it. They were like, yeah, no, 397 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: we can basically speculate that this is going to be 398 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: worth this much money, and they basically we're able to 399 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: name how much money they had in their in their 400 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: bank accounts. It was like a scam that was like 401 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: basically undercut the entire base that capitalism is based on. 402 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: And like Trump is doing the same thing with democracy. 403 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: Like so the this woman, I feel like it's just 404 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: always there when chaos is being sewn in a way 405 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: that is going to inevitably like dissolve our country. Showing 406 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: up in the background of a picture at every historical 407 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: event kind of thing like yeah, exactly, but just the 408 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: the theater of Rudy Giuliani. I feel like we need 409 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: to take a moment to appreciate he. So he comes 410 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: out and begins just sweating profusely, like in a way 411 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: that at first you see it just all over his 412 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: face and he's like hankying himself off. But then like 413 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: there's like hair dye like leaking down the sides of 414 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: his face in a in a way that makes it 415 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: look like he's like a ventriloquist dummy or something. Uh yeah, 416 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: melting for sure. There's a lot of there. There's a 417 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: lot of good tweets about this. There. I enjoyed the 418 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: Twitter disc or said this someone someone said, what are 419 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: Republicans turning back into putting a picture of that next 420 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: to like a picture of Lindsay Graham, who's also decomposing 421 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: at an alarming rate. Uh what else? A lot of 422 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: people pointed out that it looked like or from fifth Element. 423 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: Another person was like, this is why you hire union 424 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: makeup artists. And there's just there's a lot of good jokes. 425 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: So I actually don't think it's hair dye. I think, like, 426 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: so here's my thing. If it's hair dye, he would 427 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: have had I don't know, if you've ever self dyed 428 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 1: your hair, I don't recommend it, but if you if 429 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 1: you've done it, like he would have had to have 430 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: just for it to be that running and that thick, 431 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: he would have had to have like just done it 432 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: and then it got on stage. So like maybe he 433 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: was using that like um, that like quick stuff. It 434 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: kind of looks like mascara, that stuff that you like 435 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: kind of cake onto your hair and I just to 436 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: cover the roots to do a quick job. But like 437 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: with hair dye, he must have like like done it 438 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: and then gone right onto the podium because it's so thick, 439 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. DJ Daniel is our correspondent on the 440 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: street for this story. He's been following all the latest 441 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: rumors and background on this and he said that, uh, 442 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: some people think that it's messcara. He was using to 443 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: touch up his sideburns to match the hair um, which 444 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: when you look at it like it's really it looks 445 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: like he just painted the side of his hair like that, 446 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: like just literally used paint. Yeah, DJ Daniel on the 447 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: on the hairs. That's why we brought him on in 448 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: the first place, was his extensive experience with hair mascara, 449 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: UM but so Sydney Pale, who has been like from 450 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: day one, she's been this the person who has immediately 451 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: started throwing conspiracy theories. In addition to Enron, she was 452 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: defending Michael Flynn, and she's also full Q and on 453 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: like she's been retweeting Q and on like thought leaders 454 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: I guess for for a long time, thrown out wild 455 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: Q conspiracies over the whole Trump administration. So Tucker Carlson, 456 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: famous left wing journalist Tucker Carlson asked her to come 457 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: on to like, you know, present her case. He was like, 458 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: we would have even given her the whole hour to 459 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: like present the evidence that would have made the case 460 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: to our obviously incredibly friendly audience like that, Uh, there 461 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: was fraud happening. And Carlson said, but she never sent 462 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 1: us any evidence despite a lot of requests, polite requests, 463 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: not a page. When we kept pressing, she got angry 464 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: and told us to stop contacting her. Um, which is 465 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: really really unbelievable that she's like, God, these left wing 466 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: journalists that at Tucker Carlson's show won't leave me alone. 467 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: That is really galaxy brain rhetoric. She never demonstrated that 468 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: a single actual vote was moved legitimately by software from 469 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: one candidate to another, not one. This is a good 470 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Uh. These are actual quotes from 471 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: a actual episode of the Tucker Carlson Show. Like they're 472 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: they're just like I think they're confused, Like, why isn't 473 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: she coming on and proving the fraud. The fraud obviously 474 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: happened because the president said it did. Why where where's it? 475 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: Just show us the evidence? Why wouldn't they? Um? They 476 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: also claimed that it was a conspiracy involving George Soros 477 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: uh and the Venezuelan government because they just have a 478 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: hat that they pulled. Really totally. Note the hits there, Christ, 479 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is a tactic of theirs, Right, 480 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: Let me just throw a bunch of random conspiracy theories 481 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: to the wall and see what hits. It doesn't matter 482 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: if they make sense, it doesn't matter if some of 483 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: them contradict each other. Let me just see what happens. Um. Yeah, 484 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: that is a tactic to just overwhelm people with a 485 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: bunch of nonsense and hope some of it catches. Yeah. 486 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean, so experts are pointing out, like the computer thing, 487 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: that she is really going hard on that, like the 488 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: votes were hacked, like the experts are saying, like, you 489 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: could say that literally about any election, and from now on, 490 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: any loser will probably say that about like the election 491 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: that they lost in at least any like Republican candidate 492 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: who loses will from now on be saying that computers 493 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: might have been hacked. It's the most unfortunate way to 494 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: bring the hacker aesthetic back into the into mainstream. Jimmy, 495 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: you're you're a hawk, you're a hawker, what what would hacks? Yeah, 496 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: what's your take on on all this? We at the 497 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: hacker we in the hacker community, as as a both 498 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: a hacker and a coder, I cannot vouch for for 499 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: any of this because I'll tell you why. Keyboard, firewall, Uh, 500 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: what else is there? Screen? And U DSL? I think 501 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: that if there was DSL involved, we'd have something to 502 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: talk about here, But there's unfortunately on behalf of the 503 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: hacker community. I'd like to say, keyboard, motherboard, Uh, and 504 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: there's been no hacking. Yeah that is ad mainframe. Yeah, 505 00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: they might have. And to conclude, I am in Yeah, 506 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: it's just it's it's so sad to see, you know, 507 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: I have to say, this is such a sad day 508 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: for our democracy that like people that that like the 509 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: rhetoric of a ringed election quote unquote or like illegal votes, 510 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: the fact that that has been getting mainstream legitim like 511 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: legitimacy is really a travesty. Like there have been plenty 512 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: of presidents and I didn't agree with but you didn't 513 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: have them out here saying that our our democratic system 514 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: is ringed against them like that is such a different thing. 515 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, I just think that it is so beyond 516 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: the pale of what we should expect, even from shitty politicians. 517 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: Like it's just it's just so unacceptable. And I also 518 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: have to say, like I have to I for my 519 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: day job, I have to watch quite a bit of 520 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, Tucker Polson. I hate to give him this. 521 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: He's he's like playing his cards. He's being a savvy, 522 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: a savvy her sin and that I think he's very 523 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: clearly setting himself off as like, well, I'm the only 524 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: one you can trust here like Trump, you can't trust him, 525 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: his team is lying. Trust me, Tucker Carlson, I have 526 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: your best interests at heart, And I don't think it's 527 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: been terribly unaffective. As much as I hate his guts, 528 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: I have to say, like, I think he's playing a 529 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: long game. Yeah, cars, Yeah, he really could be our 530 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: next president. I yeah, I And it's like even going back, 531 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: I forget, I I like did a deep dive on 532 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: what his career was a couple of years ago because 533 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: unfortunately I worked at Playboy when he did the Playboy interview. Uh, 534 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: the definitive Tucker Carlson Playboy Interview was the most frustrating 535 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: two months of my fucking life. Uh. But but yeah, 536 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: like even learning how he's been strategically playing his cards 537 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: for so long, where it's like he used to hold 538 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: pretty different political views, but he just like rolls with 539 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: it and then justifies stuff on the back end by 540 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: any means necessary. And like, yeah, unfortunately, I totally agree Bridge. 541 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: He's like he's savvy in a way that you're like, oh, 542 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: this this seems dangerous. Yeah, definitely. And we also just 543 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: point to add the fact that, um, let's not forget 544 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: that John Stewart made fun of them from wearing bow 545 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: ties and he then he like switched up his entire 546 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: style and stock Randall's bow ties as soon as he 547 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: was called out I didn't forget about it, So I 548 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: just want I didn't know that his whole thing was 549 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: wearing a little like striped bow ties. And then in 550 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: that interview um where John Stewart basically just like destroying 551 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: him crosswire, he was like, Tucker, you're a grown man 552 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: wearing a bow tie. You don't wearing bow ties anymore. 553 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: You know, that's going to be the new villain origin 554 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: clip that's played if if Carlson runs is the same 555 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: thing of Trump at the White House correspondence dinner um. 556 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: And he's also like willing to be economically populist, Like 557 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: that was the thing that Trump, like the when he lost, 558 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 1: I feel like was when he just kind of became 559 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: disconnected from all the stuff that he ran on steen 560 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: of being an economic populist and was instead like you know, 561 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: doing tax cuts for all of his friends. And like 562 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson like criticized him at that point, which I 563 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: was like, oh, that was the first time I was like, oh, 564 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit scared of him as a political force. 565 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: All right. Also, can we insert the R. Giuliani's my 566 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 1: cousin Vinny impersonation just because it's such a strang it's 567 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 1: like a child doing an adult voice. Uh. He starts 568 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: just saying you remember when like in My Cousin Vinny's 569 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: like how many fingers do but then he like stops 570 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: himself and it's like, how many fingers do I got up? 571 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: And it's like, wait, what what the fuck did you? 572 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: What did what just happened? There? We could do like 573 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: a did you all watch My Cousin Vinnie? You know 574 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: the movie? It's one of my favorite world movies because 575 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: he comes from Brooklyn and when they lit a nice 576 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: lady who said she saw and then he, uh, he 577 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: says to her, how many fingers do I? How many 578 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: fingers will I got off? The fact that we that 579 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani like Fox up so regularly that people have 580 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: stopped talking about his turn in bor At two is 581 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: truly historians will be boggled in the future, like, wait 582 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: a second, didn't bor At two come out like three 583 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: weeks ago? And now he's done forty five ridiculous, horrible 584 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: things since then and everyone just kind of was like, well, 585 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: I guess we have to move on because now he's 586 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: doing my He's like Tucker curls and he's just but 587 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: he's just flooding you with like, yeah bullshit. That also 588 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 1: is it's not strategic. I don't know what the strategy 589 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: because maybe it is. Maybe it is. Maybe it's that 590 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: we talked before about how it is an actual Bannon 591 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: strategy that he calls flooding the zone with ship. Um, 592 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: very very smart and eloquent, where you just like throws, 593 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: that's right, flooding the pants with ships approached to fashion, uh, 594 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: and flooding the torso with shirts. He he has shirts. 595 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: He wears like seven shirts at Uh. But yeah, I 596 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: mean maybe he's just like fucking up constantly. So that 597 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: the him laying down in a underaged person's hotel bed 598 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: claiming he was tucking his shirt but reaching into his 599 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: pants is like the fifth thing in our memory. Uh. 600 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 1: The zone has been flooded with ship. Yeah. Anyways, Uh, 601 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: shout out to my cousin Vinny, which yes, the hardest 602 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: I've ever seen my grandfather laugh. Well, it's such a classic. 603 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: I'm just happy we're all talking about we're all talking 604 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: about my cousin Vinny, and I hope that we can 605 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: use it as a supring board to talk more about 606 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: Marissa tom because she's so good in everything every movie. 607 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: She's so good in every movie. Yeah, that's also something 608 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,439 Speaker 1: I'll find the tweet. Actually, I don't want to take 609 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: somebody's observation without crediting them. Um. But they were pointing 610 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: out that like her, oscar Wynn was seen as like 611 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: illegitimate and people made up like election conspiracy theory when 612 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: she was the rightful winner. Okay, real quick, I do 613 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: want to talk about just the Catholic Church. So they 614 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: just did this investigation. The Vatican didn't investigation into an 615 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,919 Speaker 1: American bishop, cardinal whatever, like one of the big main 616 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: church president guys for America who was a serial sexual predator. 617 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 1: And what they found out was that Pope John Paul 618 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 1: the Second, who was my pope when I was a kid, 619 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: I was JP two, but people informed him that this 620 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: guy was a serial sexual predator, and John Paul the 621 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 1: Second was like, Natham, It's cool. And they have since 622 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: like sainted him. He's now seen as a saint. He's 623 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: officially a saint in the Catholic Church. And he was 624 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,879 Speaker 1: basically like the Joe paterno of of the Catholic Church. 625 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: Just let let this dude continue to be in a 626 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: position of power. After people were like he makes people 627 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 1: who like other priests who worked for him, like sleep 628 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 1: in his bed, and he has had these accusations against him, 629 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: and like the report from the Catholic Church is like, yeah, 630 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: but Pope John Paul the Second like came up in 631 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: a communist world where the Communists were slandering bishops as 632 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: sexual predators just to you know, because communists hate church, 633 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,439 Speaker 1: and uh, I feel like that only makes me think 634 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: that they were right and that those bishops probably worse 635 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: sextually abusing miners. Like it doesn't. I mean, the Catholic 636 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: Church does not have a good track record on it. 637 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: Like I think it's pretty like a pretty bullshit argument 638 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: to be like, no, at this specific point in history, 639 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: it was actually nothing was happening because of because communism. 640 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: I just this is so like at at I don't know, 641 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,399 Speaker 1: I like grew up Catholic briefly and then we kind 642 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: of defected halfway through. But it just, I mean, everything 643 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: you hear, especially about the higher up um area of 644 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church, it just seems like unreformable, Like it 645 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: just is it. I feel like at the very very least, 646 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,280 Speaker 1: it demonstrates that you're complicit in something and it works, 647 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: you're perpetrating it. It's just it's so it's that story 648 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: was so unsurprising, um, because you have to imagine, I 649 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: mean every pope is complicit on on some level. Um, 650 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: unless they outright condemn it across the board and actually 651 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: try to do something about it. Um, Well, it's upsetting. 652 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 1: I went to Catholic school. Uh, my Catholic high school 653 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: has had a lot of trouble. They're they're like they 654 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: send these very urgent fundraising emails that are like, we 655 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: need money and we're going to close. And the reason 656 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 1: why is because people don't want to send their children 657 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: into Catholic schools to be educated. People like they like 658 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church rightly, so is having an image problem 659 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: is who they are having a financial crisis because of that, 660 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: And it's I can't blain people. It's like who would 661 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 1: who would want to give money? Who want to get involved? 662 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: Like it is really upsetting and I think Jamie, you 663 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: you said that you thought that it was sort of unreformable. 664 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: I completely agree. I think any organization or institution where 665 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 1: it's all men at the highest levels and there's no 666 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: women involved in like leadership, something's something's not right, like 667 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: that is just like too. I don't know. I guess 668 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 1: I just don't trust, whether it's the military, the government, 669 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: or the Catholic Church. If there are not if there's 670 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: no if there's not enough women in leadership positions, something's up, 671 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: Like I don't trust it is too, it's like not 672 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: especially if there haven't been for like millennia. It's just 673 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: yes and and and like to be Claire, I'm not 674 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 1: talking about Catholics as a group, like, obviously, express your 675 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: religion however you like. But something is stinky at the 676 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: top of the Catholic Church in particular, and some is stinky. 677 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 1: Oh man, when when you said you practice your religion 678 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: however you want, I immediately pictured the guy from Da 679 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: Vinci Code just whipping his own back. Yeah, well there's 680 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: there's the Alfred Molina connection. He's in the Da Vinci Code. 681 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: Um I have I only saw the Da Vinci Code 682 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,919 Speaker 1: once and I could not tell you a single thing 683 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:41,880 Speaker 1: that happens in that movie. Yeah, what were we doing 684 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: in two thousand six? Were we okay? Like? Why was 685 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 1: everyone reading the Da Vinci Code such a bad book? 686 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: It's like unbelievable, how how bad it is Um, I've 687 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: never read it. Oh don't I remember reading it in 688 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: the bath for some reason, which is I was, I 689 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: was like, why did I read the Da Vinci Code 690 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: in the bath? It's not a bath book, um, And 691 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: I have no idea what happened. All right, let's take 692 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll come right back. And we're back, 693 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: And Jamie, you have a new podcast out on this 694 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 1: very day about kind of one of the central cultural 695 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: texts in recent modern American history. Yeah. So I have 696 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 1: a podcast that's started releasing today called Lolita Podcast, and 697 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,879 Speaker 1: it is about, um, not just the history of the book, 698 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: but kind of how the the titular character has been 699 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,799 Speaker 1: taken so far out of context, um, in all of 700 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: the adaptations, in all of the ways that she's remembered 701 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: in uh music and movies and aesthetically. And so the 702 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: show is basically tracing what that is, Uh, why that happened? 703 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 1: Who you know, what kind of cultural um factors were 704 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,279 Speaker 1: at play here, because it's you know, it's I guess 705 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you both first what your experience 706 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: with Lolita is, if, if anything. Yeah, I so, first 707 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 1: of all, I cannot wait to hear this podcast. Holy shit, 708 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: what a good concept. Um, yeah, I have, I have so, 709 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 1: like I almost feel what we were talking about it. 710 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,399 Speaker 1: So I read Lolita when I was pretty young, and 711 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: I do think it kind of it kind it was 712 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 1: not like it was not a sign reading in my 713 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: high school, but I know for some high schools it was. 714 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: I think I just liked picked it up and read it. 715 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: I was really attracted to the heart shaped sunglasses, which 716 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 1: I know was like the iconic thing. Um. It definitely 717 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: early on in my young adulthood, set me up with 718 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: this idea that like, oh, relationships between young women and 719 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: older men are you know, fodder for romance or like intellectualism, 720 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 1: and like it kind of normalized those relationships for me 721 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: very early on. Um. So I've read the book and 722 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 1: I've seen both. I think there's something to both film 723 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 1: adapt patients. The Jeremy Irons adaptation with um is it 724 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: Dominic Swain and then the Stanley Kubrick adaptation, which I 725 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,800 Speaker 1: actually quite enjoy but like I probably should be a 726 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,360 Speaker 1: little more critical of that enjoyment. Um. But yeah, I 727 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 1: would say, even as someone who consumed the books in 728 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: the films, I think the impact that it had culturally 729 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: is like really clear this idea that you know, like 730 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,839 Speaker 1: it's it's it's like fucked up to say, but like 731 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 1: I I am like very drawn to film that plays 732 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 1: with kind of like that dynamic, like if you've ever 733 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 1: seen that movie with Alicia Sliverstone in The Crush, like 734 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 1: when I was when I was coming up, Like those 735 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: were movies that I always really liked, and looking back now, 736 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 1: I wonder, like, how did the normalization of those kinds 737 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 1: of dynamics through things like Lolita set us up for 738 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: like really toxic and most importantly, like on critically examined 739 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: dynamics when it comes to gender and like relationships totally. 740 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: Oh that's so, that's so interesting, Jack, What what is 741 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 1: what is your experience with this, with this text, with 742 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,959 Speaker 1: this this cultural text. It's very very surface level. It 743 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: wasn't like it signed a man, never was forced to 744 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,280 Speaker 1: read it. And I always there's just so many books 745 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 1: I haven't read, like I always like if there's a 746 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: just some small thing pushing back, like I don't know, 747 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: I always felt weird because it feels like pervy, Like 748 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 1: the subject matter felt pervy to me as like a 749 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 1: a teenager and a college student. But there was also 750 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 1: always this like intellectual heft of like people being like 751 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 1: this is one of the great novels in the English language. 752 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,800 Speaker 1: But I feel like then the the way the culture 753 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 1: kind of reinterpreted it makes it kind of not like 754 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like if I had to 755 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,399 Speaker 1: guess which is what my only because I haven't seen 756 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 1: the movies and I haven't read the novels, I guess 757 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 1: the novel is like great and a critique of like 758 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:41,440 Speaker 1: the sorts of uh masculinity that and just like predator 759 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: predatory behavior that is like at the center of it. 760 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 1: But then American culture just like managed to completely funk 761 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:57,600 Speaker 1: up the how they take and reproduce that that story totally. Yeah, 762 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 1: that's so That's kind of where I start out, is 763 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 1: I think that that there's there's a lot of truth 764 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,880 Speaker 1: to that, even though it's nabaka certainly like there's like 765 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 1: stuff to talk about in regards to I don't know, 766 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,800 Speaker 1: just like he had some shortcomings, he was not uh. 767 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 1: Something that a lot of people assume about the book 768 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 1: was like, well, was the author like uh uh criminal 769 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,920 Speaker 1: And the answer is no. But then the but then 770 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,120 Speaker 1: the next question is, well, then why write a book 771 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: like this? What is what function does that serve? Is 772 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 1: it useful at all? And so I came to the 773 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: book when Lemony Snickett recommended it in like two thousand 774 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: and four, and I really liked Lemony Snicket, and I 775 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 1: didn't know what the book was about. And then I 776 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:49,080 Speaker 1: read it and I was like, oh fuck. Like and 777 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: similar to you Bridget, I think I had a lot 778 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: of bad takeaways from it, uh in a way that 779 00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: was like I think I was like too young to 780 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,520 Speaker 1: be reading it and and just I don't know all 781 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:06,200 Speaker 1: this all this stuff that's at play there. So Jack, 782 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,960 Speaker 1: you're You're right that it's the culture takes it out 783 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 1: of context almost immediately, and it's kind of the show 784 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 1: is kind of tracing why because the book is extremely 785 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:22,080 Speaker 1: difficult and triggering, and it's like, I mean, rereading it 786 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: back as an adult is it's like it's heartbreaking, and 787 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 1: you know, we're now like closer to the age of 788 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: Lolita's parents than than her and and just plugging yourself 789 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: into the story is is really difficult. But then like 790 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 1: what's been interesting is digging into like, well, who was 791 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,840 Speaker 1: the first person to frame it as a love story 792 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,320 Speaker 1: and where does it go from there? And like the 793 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,600 Speaker 1: stuff I've been uncovering is it like hurts my head. 794 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:57,719 Speaker 1: But the I'll give you two little morsels, and the 795 00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:02,439 Speaker 1: first one you'll love, You love a morsel. Uh So 796 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: one of the first people to like break Lolita because 797 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 1: it was a really difficult book to get published because 798 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,400 Speaker 1: it was at the end of the McCarthy era. You 799 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 1: could literally be taken to court for addressing taboos in 800 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 1: a book, whether the book is good or bad. Uh So, 801 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: it finally gets published, and the reason that gets famous 802 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 1: is because this famous critic named Graham Green says it's 803 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,960 Speaker 1: a beautiful love story and like, this is one of 804 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,479 Speaker 1: the best books, and you gotta read it. And that's 805 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 1: part of why it gets famous. And so I was like, Okay, 806 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,800 Speaker 1: let's find out about this Graham Green character. I wonder 807 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 1: if he understood what the book was about. And you 808 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,439 Speaker 1: go back into his history and you find out that 809 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,040 Speaker 1: it's a part of his It's been kind of well hidden. 810 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: But he was once fired from a magazine about ten 811 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,160 Speaker 1: years before Lolita came out, maybe even sooner, uh for 812 00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,560 Speaker 1: talking about Shirley Temple in this very sexualized way, which 813 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: was nine years old. And so even like the guy 814 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,359 Speaker 1: who made the book, you know, like legitimized it in 815 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,680 Speaker 1: this literary sense. I didn't know what it was about. 816 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,280 Speaker 1: And it's like it just, uh, there's so many little 817 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: examples like that throughout the history of this book, where uh, 818 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,640 Speaker 1: the story is perpetuated over and over and over and 819 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: it's almost always by someone who hasn't taken in what 820 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,560 Speaker 1: it's the It feels like the book's very clear message 821 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,040 Speaker 1: is and so that is the show with the with 822 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: the Kubrick stuff there it news broke literally last month 823 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:45,320 Speaker 1: that um the the producer of that movie, was sexually 824 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 1: abusive towards the actress who plays the star or who 825 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,400 Speaker 1: plays Lolita. There's it just goes really like there is 826 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:58,640 Speaker 1: such a negative history associated with a book that I 827 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,719 Speaker 1: I think at its core and talked to a lot 828 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,880 Speaker 1: of people I talk to like a um child abuse therapists. 829 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,879 Speaker 1: I talk to a lot of people who argue that 830 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: the book itself is useful to exist while it is triggering. 831 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,600 Speaker 1: And there's certainly like a lot to unpack with the book. 832 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:21,279 Speaker 1: But the the wild out of context that has been 833 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 1: going on for like seventy years that still kind of 834 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:29,080 Speaker 1: hasn't been corrected. Um is is what the show is about. 835 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,920 Speaker 1: And it hurts my head and uh, and that's the show. 836 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 1: I can't even wait to listen to this. There's so 837 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,319 Speaker 1: much that the Jeremy Irons movie is. Like there's a 838 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,080 Speaker 1: clip of Jeremy Irons doing the press junket for that 839 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,279 Speaker 1: movie being like, let's see what the big deal is 840 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,399 Speaker 1: and you're like, remember Jeremy, I remember that. I mean, 841 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:56,279 Speaker 1: and he's like notoriously an asshole, but like he just 842 00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,279 Speaker 1: so like his attitude is so nineties. E cavill leader 843 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,399 Speaker 1: of like, well, you know, afore you talking about Dominique Swain, 844 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,279 Speaker 1: He's like, well, you know, a fourteen year old in 845 00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:10,160 Speaker 1: California they know everything, so, you know, kind of just 846 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:21,160 Speaker 1: this very it just it blows my mind how how 847 00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,000 Speaker 1: everyone who has been given this story to adapt has 848 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 1: demonstrated clearly that they don't know what the story is about, 849 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,520 Speaker 1: and so the wrong message is perpetuated over and over 850 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 1: and over. There's a Broadway musical that is written by 851 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,239 Speaker 1: the guy who wrote My Fair Lady that never debuted, 852 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:41,480 Speaker 1: but uh, there is like some lyrics to some of 853 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,520 Speaker 1: those songs are unpa who is that viper who likes them? 854 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: Post diaper is one of the lyrics. It's disgusting, and 855 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,400 Speaker 1: yet the songs are catchy. Edward Albe wrote a version 856 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,879 Speaker 1: of it. It's just David Mammitt wrote a draft of 857 00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,359 Speaker 1: a screenplay just everyone who you would be? Would who 858 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,920 Speaker 1: would be at the top of your list, as like 859 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,759 Speaker 1: the last person that would take in the message. The 860 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,800 Speaker 1: last part has been involved in some way over the 861 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,040 Speaker 1: Why is it always like old like people who are 862 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:19,600 Speaker 1: the age of the criminal, and not like women who 863 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: are doing like that's who should be interpreting the story, 864 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,640 Speaker 1: not uh, Stanley Kubrick and people who could be Stanley 865 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,680 Speaker 1: kuber if you showed me a picture of them, might 866 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,560 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, maybe that's Stanley Cooper. And not even 867 00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,960 Speaker 1: just like oldish white guys, but oldish white guys who 868 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:43,880 Speaker 1: already have a notoriously bad track record dealing with women, 869 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:49,840 Speaker 1: children or both, Like just what Adrian Line directs version 870 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,719 Speaker 1: and he uh what I always forget the Glenn Close movie. 871 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,600 Speaker 1: Oh um attraction, Oh my god, You're just like, well, 872 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,839 Speaker 1: that's well, that's not going to be a good fit. 873 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,120 Speaker 1: It's just so um. Sorry, I just like rant about 874 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,200 Speaker 1: this because it's all I think about anymore. But it basically, 875 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm trying to find what is the value in this story? 876 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:19,120 Speaker 1: Is it salvageable um for us in any way? And 877 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,440 Speaker 1: then also going into like there's a lot of internet 878 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:26,640 Speaker 1: subcultures that are dominated by women and girls surrounding this 879 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,000 Speaker 1: book and in kind of these reclaiming efforts that are 880 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,239 Speaker 1: that have been taking place online over the past ten 881 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,359 Speaker 1: to twenty years that are pretty interesting to to get 882 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 1: into as well. So that's not fascinating. I think it really, 883 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,239 Speaker 1: it really does exists at a really interesting intersection of 884 00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:48,359 Speaker 1: like culture, literature, film history, Like you know, it's it's 885 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,000 Speaker 1: a very interesting um thing to be examining. And I 886 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,760 Speaker 1: remember after the Asrian Line version of the film, Remember 887 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,640 Speaker 1: I was quite taken with Dominic Squeen as a young actress. 888 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,040 Speaker 1: I think when that film came out, we were on 889 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,840 Speaker 1: the same age. And it's interesting to me the films 890 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,759 Speaker 1: that she made after were sort of similar that, like 891 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,960 Speaker 1: films where she was like, you know, I'm a young 892 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,560 Speaker 1: girl like exploring the big like the big world of 893 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,359 Speaker 1: sexuality and blah blah blah. And I almost, I don't know, 894 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,080 Speaker 1: but I almost felt like doing Lolita as her first 895 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 1: breakout role kind of pigeon held her, or pigeon hold 896 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 1: her in a kind of way for like people wanting 897 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,480 Speaker 1: to see her be a certain kind of a certain 898 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,000 Speaker 1: kind of people wanted to see her exhibiting a certain 899 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,320 Speaker 1: kind of young email sexuality and certain kinds of roles. 900 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,200 Speaker 1: And so I just wonder like the sort of cultural 901 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,080 Speaker 1: undertow of Lolita, like it must be very strong, like 902 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,320 Speaker 1: people must really like it just must really have a 903 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,400 Speaker 1: lot of weight. I guess that's what I'm saying. Yeah, 904 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:53,760 Speaker 1: I feel like the just you know, straight old white 905 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:59,640 Speaker 1: cultural hedgemony like that men have just pushed. Like, for instance, 906 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,600 Speaker 1: Face Off was the other movie that came out the 907 00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:06,320 Speaker 1: same year as Lolita. She's in that. She's like the 908 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,520 Speaker 1: teenage daughter in that, and there's a scene where John Travolta, 909 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,800 Speaker 1: who is actually not her father, she just is wearing 910 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:23,040 Speaker 1: her father's face. But because that's a great movie, right 911 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,880 Speaker 1: right right, but like he like luss after her and 912 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,680 Speaker 1: like like had there's like a weird like moment of 913 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,880 Speaker 1: of that. I just yeah, it's like there there is 914 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:43,080 Speaker 1: a gravitational pool of of that whole. Yeah, just prvy, horny, 915 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:48,960 Speaker 1: old gross men who run Hollywood and all like forms 916 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,640 Speaker 1: of and publishing and all those things and did for 917 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,680 Speaker 1: the entire twentieth century. Like the late seventies was a 918 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,000 Speaker 1: real wild time for that. Like if you look at 919 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,560 Speaker 1: just the ads, like that was in the Brookshields ad 920 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:07,200 Speaker 1: where she's like thirteen starts being yeah. There there's literally 921 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:13,400 Speaker 1: a ad where where there's a woman dressed as like 922 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,560 Speaker 1: a doll and the ad she's like licking a lollipop 923 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,160 Speaker 1: and it says nothing sexier than a baby. Like that's 924 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:29,680 Speaker 1: that's an actual ad from the seventies. Everything, everything, literally 925 00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:34,640 Speaker 1: everything is sexier than her baby. Every yeah, everything, everything 926 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,600 Speaker 1: it perpetuates is just like there's and there's all these 927 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,080 Speaker 1: like bizarrely specific. I have a whole episode where I 928 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,720 Speaker 1: talked to actresses who have played Lolita at some point 929 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,080 Speaker 1: in their careers, and there is like this kind of 930 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,520 Speaker 1: through line of exactly what you're describing, bridget of like 931 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,720 Speaker 1: once you played this role, you can't get out from 932 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,320 Speaker 1: underneath the like cultural weight of it. And you never 933 00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,959 Speaker 1: see that with the actors who play Humbert or Quill, 934 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,520 Speaker 1: the who are playing literal pedophiles. But it's like Jeremy 935 01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Irons is totally fine. James Mason played him in nineteen 936 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,520 Speaker 1: sixty two. Donald Sutherland has played him before. Like, none 937 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:14,800 Speaker 1: of these men ever struggle to work. But in almost 938 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,760 Speaker 1: every single case, it doesn't always obliterate your career, but 939 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,520 Speaker 1: it's like a set back almost in a way that 940 01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,280 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be. It doesn't like it. It is. It 941 01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,720 Speaker 1: is so frustrating. But there's so many ways that. I mean, 942 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,280 Speaker 1: even with Sue Lyon, who played her in nineteen sixty two, 943 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:38,040 Speaker 1: being molested by the producer of the movie. Yeah, I mean, 944 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:42,680 Speaker 1: it's not unbelievable. It's actually very believable. Unfortunately, the worst 945 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:47,640 Speaker 1: case scenario, that's like exactly what you would would expect. Yeah. So, 946 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,720 Speaker 1: so there's a lot. It's nine, possibly ten episodes that 947 01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:56,040 Speaker 1: kind of each episode kind of takes a different perspective 948 01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:00,880 Speaker 1: or examines a different adaptation, and um, check it out 949 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,520 Speaker 1: if if that's something you're interested in. It's really amazing. 950 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,880 Speaker 1: I cannot I cannot wait to listen to this. I'm 951 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,600 Speaker 1: gonna listen to it. I see the trailer. I was 952 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,560 Speaker 1: like googling, I guess the trailer is up. I'm listening 953 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,760 Speaker 1: to the trailer as soon as we get off the air. 954 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,840 Speaker 1: I cannot wait. Hell yeah, I'm so glad. Uh yeah, yeah, 955 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,320 Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited about it. I'm also I also have 956 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,720 Speaker 1: like a phone line open for anyone who would like 957 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,280 Speaker 1: is reading it for the first time as they're listening 958 01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,360 Speaker 1: or like rereading it. There's like this kind of amazing 959 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,840 Speaker 1: like talking to people who have read it multiple times 960 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,800 Speaker 1: over the years, and the first time they read it 961 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:36,520 Speaker 1: they identified with Lolita, the second time they realized that 962 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,160 Speaker 1: Humbred is a clear cut pedophile, and in the third 963 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,800 Speaker 1: time they relate with her mother when they have kids 964 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,480 Speaker 1: of their own. There's just kind of this whole your 965 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,040 Speaker 1: relationship with the material really tends to like change as 966 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,880 Speaker 1: you get older. It's really interesting. I don't know, yeah, 967 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,960 Speaker 1: it's super interesting. Um alright, well, Bridget, it has been 968 01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:02,000 Speaker 1: a pleasure having you as always. Where can people find 969 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,840 Speaker 1: you and follow you? Oh, the pleasure is all mine. 970 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,120 Speaker 1: You can find me on Instagram at Bridget Marie and 971 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,479 Speaker 1: d C. You can find me on Twitter at Bridget Marie, 972 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,760 Speaker 1: and you can subscribe to my podcast. There are no 973 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,480 Speaker 1: girls on the internet on this very network. I heart Radio. 974 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,080 Speaker 1: If you want to have awesome conversations about underrepresenting communities 975 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,840 Speaker 1: and how we show up on the Internet and I 976 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,200 Speaker 1: would love to have you there. H yeah, Um, is 977 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,000 Speaker 1: there a tweet or some other work of social media 978 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,280 Speaker 1: you've been enjoying? Oh, there is so. Twitter user d 979 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:36,120 Speaker 1: bank underscore b Hugh pointed out that the Texas Tech 980 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:41,880 Speaker 1: football team recruits have really wild sounding names, names like 981 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:47,560 Speaker 1: Maverick mckiver or uh Mason mchorse. And I was thinking, see, 982 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,680 Speaker 1: those are some interesting names. Somebody replied to that tweet 983 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,280 Speaker 1: and they said, oh, you're really sleeping on the Texas 984 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,080 Speaker 1: men's lacrosse names. Just to give you a couple of 985 01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,840 Speaker 1: these names. These are real lacrosse players names. I looked 986 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,880 Speaker 1: them up myself, Like University of Texas. It's at Texas Tech. 987 01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:10,480 Speaker 1: Texas Tech, we have shackle Herd, Standwick, Sr Twinn Commandment, 988 01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:18,760 Speaker 1: Decklin Smartwood, Uh, Salis Creamer, which is my personal favorite, 989 01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:25,960 Speaker 1: Dallas Creamer. Um, yeah, these names are so fucking good. 990 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:31,720 Speaker 1: Wheat and jack Boys. That's actually a close personal friend 991 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:36,480 Speaker 1: of mine. But really that's so funny. Miss Key and peel, 992 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,040 Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, it's anything that like. Well, here's 993 01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,760 Speaker 1: my thing about that is, like I people love to 994 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,520 Speaker 1: make like jokes about how black folks have unusual names. 995 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,000 Speaker 1: Rich white people do the same things. So I just 996 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,840 Speaker 1: love that. This really underscore is that like, oh, rich 997 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:57,520 Speaker 1: white people, they have some wild names. We had a 998 01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,480 Speaker 1: person at my school was like the best lacrosse player 999 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:07,160 Speaker 1: on the women's team named Wickliffe stan Wick. Uh, and 1000 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,640 Speaker 1: that that has gone down in history. And my friend 1001 01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,600 Speaker 1: one time was having awkward conversation with her and said 1002 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,840 Speaker 1: this her name was Wick stan Wick and he said, 1003 01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:24,080 Speaker 1: this conversation is awkward. Stand awkward. Yo. Do you think 1004 01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,919 Speaker 1: was related to the Yeah? I think it might be 1005 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:37,520 Speaker 1: because they are family, are are lacrosse royalty. I'm not 1006 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,040 Speaker 1: sure if you're aware if anyone has any insights into 1007 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,160 Speaker 1: these like, like, please get at me on my personal 1008 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,920 Speaker 1: social media accounts. I want to talk about if you 1009 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,360 Speaker 1: if you have any insights into like lacrosse royalty. I 1010 01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,640 Speaker 1: need to know everything. Yeah, all the guys were named 1011 01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:56,680 Speaker 1: like Trevor Or Tyler or Skylar or some ship like 1012 01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:01,480 Speaker 1: that when I was in college. But uh, the this 1013 01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:07,280 Speaker 1: is the next generation the evolutionary lacrosse name. Uh, Dallas 1014 01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:11,000 Speaker 1: Creamer fucking rules. I want to meet this person so badly. Yeah, 1015 01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:18,480 Speaker 1: what has what has Dallas Creeper's life been like? Fucking 1016 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:23,040 Speaker 1: tight dude. Um, Jamie, where can people find you? And 1017 01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,360 Speaker 1: what's tweet you've been enjoying? Uh? You can find me 1018 01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:32,120 Speaker 1: on Twitter dot com at Jamie Lafta's Help, Instagram at 1019 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:37,040 Speaker 1: Jamie christ super Star. What's the tweet that I like? 1020 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:41,240 Speaker 1: All my light tweets are very depressing right now? Uh, 1021 01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,680 Speaker 1: that's so nice. You're just like, oh damn, these were 1022 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:51,040 Speaker 1: all these were all favor for sad reasons. Uh, let's see, 1023 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,400 Speaker 1: I'll go. I'll go with this one from Eric Francisco 1024 01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,480 Speaker 1: at Eric Francisco twitty four. Didn't expect to wake up 1025 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,640 Speaker 1: this morning and find Edward Norton's third eye wide open 1026 01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:06,919 Speaker 1: and galaxy brain activated. But here we are. Everard Note, 1027 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:11,000 Speaker 1: Norton had, at the time of this recording a very 1028 01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:15,760 Speaker 1: specific thread about what he thinks Donald Trump is doing. 1029 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:21,840 Speaker 1: Uh that didn't not make sense, but it was just like, 1030 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:28,800 Speaker 1: Edward Norton, why are you, Um, that's the treat I'm 1031 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:34,680 Speaker 1: picking m So speaking of Edward Norton underrated starting Edward Norton, 1032 01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,600 Speaker 1: I've never seen it. I'll check it out. But also 1033 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,560 Speaker 1: doesn't he have is that the one where he has 1034 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,680 Speaker 1: a like a girlfriend in high school or he meets 1035 01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,440 Speaker 1: a girl. He oh ship he meets it's Rosario Dawson 1036 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,840 Speaker 1: and their origin stories. They met when she was in 1037 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:56,240 Speaker 1: high school and he's like everywhere. Yeah, it always comes 1038 01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:02,760 Speaker 1: back to lolita really does um tweet that I've been 1039 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,760 Speaker 1: enjoying h Miles Cohn at Miles con tweeted, I'm no 1040 01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:12,800 Speaker 1: longer impressed that Sasha Baron Cohen trick Rudy Giuliani. Um Oh, 1041 01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to I forgot. I also went to shout 1042 01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,200 Speaker 1: out at something else about Sasha Baron Cohen, which is 1043 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,320 Speaker 1: just an interview that Helena Bonham Carter did last year 1044 01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,520 Speaker 1: where she was just asked about her past co stars 1045 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,400 Speaker 1: and she was nice to everybody except for Sasha Baron 1046 01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:31,760 Speaker 1: Cohen um who she said he needs a lot of attention, 1047 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:35,880 Speaker 1: doesn't he? And that's what she said about Oh my god, 1048 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:44,680 Speaker 1: I love her like she really just laid Mr Sudden 1049 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,480 Speaker 1: and she's so British that it was just like that 1050 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:55,080 Speaker 1: is the dirtiest you can possibly do. I mean, she's 1051 01:07:55,120 --> 01:08:02,240 Speaker 1: not wrong, not wrong. You can find me on Twitter 1052 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,600 Speaker 1: at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter 1053 01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:08,120 Speaker 1: at Daily Zeitgeist. Were at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. 1054 01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,640 Speaker 1: We have Facebook fan page and website Daily Zeitgeist dot com, 1055 01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,760 Speaker 1: Worried post our episodes and our footnotes where we link 1056 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,600 Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about uh in 1057 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,519 Speaker 1: today's episode, as well as the song we ride out 1058 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:26,120 Speaker 1: on and We're gonna ride out on another song from 1059 01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:30,600 Speaker 1: Open Mike Eagle. This one is called Relatable. It's a 1060 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:35,960 Speaker 1: little older, but as super producers Anna hosnie I said, 1061 01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:41,639 Speaker 1: it's a bop. Uh So I also use cool phrases 1062 01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,040 Speaker 1: like that. Um. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production by 1063 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,559 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. For more podcast from my heart Radio, visit 1064 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,640 Speaker 1: the heart Radio app, Apple podcast wherever you listen to 1065 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,920 Speaker 1: your favorite shows. That's gonna do it for this morning. 1066 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,800 Speaker 1: We will be back this afternoon to tell you what 1067 01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,639 Speaker 1: is trending. I think Miles will be back for that one. 1068 01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:07,600 Speaker 1: Uh school talk you all that I relatable. I'm hella relatable, 1069 01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,360 Speaker 1: this hella legit and not really debatable. I live in 1070 01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,360 Speaker 1: your neighborhood. They got you ship talking this right there 1071 01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,600 Speaker 1: and back at you. So try to hack that the 1072 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,680 Speaker 1: rule and remember that movie. They are gonna laugh at you. 1073 01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:24,280 Speaker 1: It's so understandable and sometimes when I'm socials. I feel incompatible. 1074 01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,559 Speaker 1: I live in the Capitol, I live in the forest, 1075 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,800 Speaker 1: just screening this magical, I live in the National. How 1076 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,520 Speaker 1: you're not Basha, No, tamn it. I'm just so logical. 1077 01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,839 Speaker 1: I don't we a monicle. I don't know which sequels 1078 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:40,880 Speaker 1: are truly canonical. I'm sorry, don't follow you. I promise, 1079 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,680 Speaker 1: I truly can really make with you.