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Speaker 1: This mind boggling episode is an old timey true crimey.

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Speaker 1: It concerns one of the worst families to ever set

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Speaker 1: up shop in Kansas, which is really saying something. In

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Speaker 1: the early eighteen seventies, the Bender family surreptitious killings pree

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Speaker 1: carried out in their own home no less, resulted in

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Speaker 1: the murders of at least twenty one people which are

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Speaker 1: in the family, the nicknamed the Bloody Benders. This episode

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Speaker 1: will knock your socks off, assuming they're still on your

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Speaker 1: feet after the other episode so far. Welcome to Stuff

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Speaker 1: You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck and Jerry's

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Speaker 1: here too, So this is Stuff you Should Know. The

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Speaker 1: Murder Family edition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Halloween right around the corner.

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Speaker 1: I've always liked to think of you, me and Jerry

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Speaker 1: as a kind of murder family.

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Speaker 2: As in, you and I and Jerry. Right. We always

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Speaker 2: have to correct that because people think you're talking about

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Speaker 2: you and your wife, right, Okay, yes, you me kamma

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Speaker 2: you kamma me kamma No.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean me, my wife, Umi and Jerry. I've

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Speaker 1: always thought of this as just you know, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 2: I miss what you said though.

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Speaker 1: You thought of this as what a murder murder family?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, in the kindest possible way.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly. No, we're no murder family. And after everybody

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Speaker 1: learns about the Bloody Benders, they'll be like, yeah, Josh

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Speaker 1: and Chuck and Jerry are no murder family, and we

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be either, because it turns out murder

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Speaker 1: families are not so great.

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Speaker 2: Chuck, right, And can we shout out a listener who

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Speaker 2: submitted this topic? Oh yeah, definitely, that's I feel like

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Speaker 2: that's happening more and more like a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: As our world gets smaller, our listeners are reminding us

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Speaker 2: that it is quite large. And we got this one

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Speaker 2: from a Canson.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's very appropriate.

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Speaker 2: Is that how you say it?

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Speaker 1: I think it's Kanzinia Knight.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Kenzinia Knight named Star White. And apparently Starr was

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Speaker 2: traveling with the family through Kansas and saw signs in

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Speaker 2: Montgomery County for the Benders, the Bloody Benders and things

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Speaker 2: commemorating this and said, I'm a Kenzania Knight and I

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Speaker 2: had no idea that this was a thing. I got

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Speaker 2: to learn more about this, So we're doing one. You know,

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Speaker 2: we like to keep it spooky in October where we

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Speaker 2: can for sure, and there's nothing spookier than a serial

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Speaker 1: Interestingly, too, this past I think March, what I'm taking

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Speaker 1: to be is one of the definitive books on the

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Speaker 1: Benders came out. It's called Hell's half Acre and it

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Speaker 1: is by an author.

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Speaker 2: Named named a drum roll.

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Speaker 1: Named Susan Joe Nosis. That's how I'm going with her

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Speaker 1: last name. But it came out in March called Hell'shead Figure,

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Speaker 1: and it does look pretty awesome, so I figured that

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Speaker 2: Huh, just driving through.

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Speaker 1: Great name too, by the way, Star White, what a

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Speaker 1: great name. It's almost like star wipe.

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Speaker 2: No one, do you like it? It's your favorite transition?

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: I do know a bender actually, but this is I

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Speaker 2: don't think there's any relation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's not entirely clear that that was even

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Speaker 1: their names too, so we should tell a good point.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about a family that lived in Kansas in

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Speaker 1: the eighteen seventies at a time when Kansas was like

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Speaker 1: O Sage people who had lived there previously have been

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Speaker 1: and the federal government said, come anybody, all you criminals,

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Speaker 1: you unsavory characters, people escaping your past, come and settle

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Speaker 1: here in Kansas. It's like Australia, but in the center

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Speaker 2: Did you do bad things back east? Just pick up

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Speaker 1: That's precisely right. And so a lot of them stopped

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Speaker 2: That's right, And that's probably a generous term for what

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Speaker 2: southeastern Kansas in eighteen seventy. It was not cherry Bell yet,

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Speaker 2: first the two gentlemen arrived John benderr. He was around

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Speaker 2: sixty years old. People called him Pa. He didn't talk

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Speaker 2: And you know, we're going to say things like identified

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Speaker 2: the facts of this, but John Bender Junior was with him,

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Speaker 1: But apparently John Gephart or John Bender Junior, was a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a German accent, but did speak fluent English,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what they built on their one hundred and

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Speaker 1: No, but I'm guessing like as you were passing through

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Speaker 1: and she showed up after this this tavern, this house

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Speaker 2: That's right. The two ladies were sent for after everything

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Speaker 1: I had like a terrible temper. She was widely reputed

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Speaker 1: I've seen both. I've seen her or I've seen Kate

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Speaker 1: and Kate. Kate was the daughter. She was in her twenties.

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Speaker 1: But I think more than anything, she kind of attracted

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Speaker 2: It's loose out there in eighteen seventies Kansas, right.

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Speaker 1: So one other thing I read, Chuck that Livia didn't

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Speaker 1: quite hit on was that this family, they weren't like

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Speaker 1: apparently their cherries and apples and peaches were like really

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Speaker 2: Right. So they have this thing set up. It's on

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Speaker 2: the edge of the Great Osage Trail, which is, like

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Speaker 2: you mentioned, earlier, where a lot of people continued westward

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Speaker 2: and it was a good place to have a little

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Speaker 2: bunk house that, you know, sold a few things. What's

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Speaker 2: the word, I'm looking for.

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Speaker 1: A general store, Ali's, bargain houses.

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Speaker 2: Rations, Oh okay, yeah, selling rations and things like that.

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Speaker 1: They sell rations at Ali's.

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Speaker 2: What is Ali's.

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Speaker 1: It's like a deep discount liquid or like if you

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Speaker 1: they'll buy everything and then turn around and sell it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they actually do that, but it's the

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Speaker 1: appearance of that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we should be clear, like, I've never heard of Ali's,

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Speaker 1: You should go wander around one. You'd be like, okay,

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Speaker 1: I gotcha. Here's an oriental rug. Here's some off brand

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, However, when they start turning up in regular

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Speaker 1: It didn't. And that, by the way, is a classic

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where guns and knives are presented as supper.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, right. So this is just kind of going along.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Good neighbor, Yeah, really good neighbor, like to do

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Speaker 2: So he's like, something is going on. I need to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, big time, enough to wear They got a search party,

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Speaker 1: It really did get weird. So it's not clear whether

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Speaker 1: I guess he gave enough of an explanation and was

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Speaker 1: Was guns and knis there's something about a pistol supper

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Speaker 2: Apparently the quote is she flew into a violent passion

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Speaker 1: Yes, she converted Kate's coffee into that mushroom coffee, and

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Speaker 1: It's exactly what it sounds like, exactly doesn't actually have coffee.

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Speaker 2: No, oh, it's made out of mushrooms.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you should try it sometimes just to say

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Speaker 2: Now. That's what on those survival shows. They get like

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Speaker 2: here's my morning coffee.

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Speaker 1: Coffee.

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Speaker 2: Have fun with that.

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Speaker 1: So they so again still like they were kind of like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: on them. But it was enough that Alexander York kind

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00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 1: of stuck around town and they held a meeting with

437
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: basically the whole town that Pa and John Junior even attended,

438
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: and they said, hey, this place has a bad reputation.

439
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: Something's going on. These two people at the very least

440
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: have been have turned up missing. We need to just

441
00:23:55,080 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: search everyone's homestead and apparently very brassly. At least one

442
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: neighbor said, I've got nothing to hide, search my homestead,

443
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: and Pa said the same thing. He said, I don't either,

444
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: You guys search my homestead. And so I guess they

445
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: kind of did a slow motion search, because it was

446
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: at least a week I saw, if not a couple

447
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 1: of weeks before they finally made it out to search

448
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: the Bender's place. And when they showed up, they realized

449
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: very quickly that the Benders weren't there and probably hadn't

450
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: been there since the night of that meeting.

451
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they realized, they told people to come search

452
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 2: their house. You said, what my favorite part about Kate's

453
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 2: jam is that they asked her to do the seance

454
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 2: to like give some more information, like, well, if you're

455
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,479
Speaker 2: so good at that, and she said, now, it's like

456
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 2: it's it's daytime. There's too many people around, Like, have

457
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: you ever seen a seance? She's like, why don't you

458
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: come back tomorrow night, just the two of you and

459
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: we'll do one. And they were like, no, thank you, right,

460
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: I think I'll take the zero in that one.

461
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, doctor, Colonel. No, Colonel, Alexander

462
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: York was a sharp dudeasically.

463
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the townspeople weren't sharp enough to go. I

464
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: don't know if they were searching other places. I know

465
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 2: there was a weather issue, but like you said, by

466
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: the time they got there, they were Gonzo's. They left there.

467
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: They took a train because they found their horse and

468
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: wagon and even their dog just on a public street

469
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: near the train station. And they got the heck out

470
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: of Dodge, well not out of Dodge, out of what

471
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: would become Cherryvale.

472
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: Very close, very close. So the volunteers were like, well,

473
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: I guess since they left, we can just go ahead

474
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: and go on in. And apparently they found very quickly

475
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: that there was a trap door in the floor. And

476
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: when they opened the trap door, I guess a lot

477
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: of them gagged because it smelled like decaying human remains.

478
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: And even though they looked in there and there weren't

479
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: actual bodies, there was so much blood and gore in

480
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 1: this cellar rotting that it was enough to make a

481
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: person gag even without a full body decomposing. There.

482
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 2: It's a great place for our second break. Oh okay,

483
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: the height of suspense.

484
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

485
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: We'll be back and talk about what was making that

486
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: smell right after this. All right, So they have a

487
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 2: stone cellar under the house covered in blood and stinks

488
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: like dead bodies even though there's no dead bodies. And

489
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: we said we were going to get to the bottom

490
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: of the smell. The bottom of it is there were

491
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: dead bodies in there previously. Yeah, so they had this

492
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: pretty easy.

493
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: They had the trap set up, the trap door set up,

494
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: so it led to a hole in the cellar, and

495
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: then there was a like a way outer I guess,

496
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: a way in from the foundation and they would kill people,

497
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: put them in the trap door through the trap door

498
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: to the cellar, and they'd retrieved them at night when

499
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: there weren't prying eyes around.

500
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty good system they had going. They started searching around.

501
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: They did eventually find bodies. They found William Yorke's body

502
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: buried in the orchard. They found a Lonker's body buried

503
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: along with young Mary Anne, who the two gentlemen had

504
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 2: the head wounds in the throat wounds. Maryanne, I've seen

505
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: variously was either suffocated or suffocated from being buried alive

506
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: man but not brained in throat slit at least tragic

507
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: either way, of course, sure, but very very sad case.

508
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: Eventually they would go on to find about a dozen

509
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: bodies and were eventually implicated in as many as twenty

510
00:27:59,280 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 2: one murders.

511
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they found it. Yeah, I saw eleven I think,

512
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: including Mary Anne. A bunch of them were in the orchard.

513
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: They looked around the property and realized that there were

514
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of depressions in the orchard, and they're like,

515
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: I wonder if those are graves, And they turned up

516
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: people in the graves. They found somebody in the well,

517
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: and then yeah, when you add them together with all

518
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: the people dumped in Drum Creek, I guess it comes

519
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: to about twenty one. And they developed this theory of

520
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: what had happened, in part based on some people who

521
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: had narrowly escaped with their lives and hadn't realized it

522
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: until after the Benders became national news. But that curtain

523
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: that they had dividing the tavern, the Olie's bargain bin

524
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: from the rest of the house was right behind the

525
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: seat where they would have travelers and guests sit when

526
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: they were eating a meal.

527
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And they would have them sit there, and

528
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: you know, from the other side it would you know.

529
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: They would be silhouetted by the candlelight so they could

530
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: see clearly where they were, and then Paw or John

531
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: Junior would either use like the butt of an axe

532
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: or a hammer to brain them. They would put them

533
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: in the cellar and rob them and then slit their throat.

534
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: And that's how it was sort of a I don't

535
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: know the fact, like, all right, let's go ahead and

536
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: tell the stories about the other guys. Because after this

537
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: came out, people started coming forward, like you said, a

538
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: guy named mister Wetzel said, hey, wait a minute. They

539
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: tried to get me to sit right by that curtain

540
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't sit by the curtain, and mob Bender

541
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: got really mad about that, and so we got the

542
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: heck out of there. And then another guy named William

543
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: Pickering said, yeah, I didn't want to sit by that

544
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: curtain because it was dirty and gross, and I took

545
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: a different seat and they got in a big fight

546
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: and Kate came at me with a knife. So I

547
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: don't know why they just didn't come up behind them

548
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: and brain them like the Maybe the felt the curtain

549
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: offered some sort of cover. It just seems very like stubborn.

550
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: Oh, like they had to follow procedure or else the person.

551
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, like allowed you have to sit there. I'm like, well,

552
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: you can't murder a guy in another chair.

553
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: Well I don't. Yeah, I don't think it would have

554
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: been as easy to come up behind him from the

555
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: from the curtain, you know what I'm saying.

556
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: Maybe it sounds a little I mean, I guess they

557
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: got away with it for a little while, so but

558
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, it sounds a little amateurish.

559
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: Sure, or they were such professionals they just stuck to

560
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: the script and if the script deviated it, they didn't

561
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: take chances. And there's there's actually a good suggestion of

562
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: why they didn't take chances, because there were later discovered

563
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: in the house bullet holes in the walls and in

564
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: the door frames, and that was taken to be from

565
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: people who had tried to fight back when they realized

566
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: what was going on. But I guess they had ultimately

567
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: been unsuccessful, because nobody escaped that house saying they had

568
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: shot at everyone because they tried to brain them, you know.

569
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: Or maybe it was just supper.

570
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: I guess sol pistol suffer, You're right.

571
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: Who knows? So the story gets out becomes, you know,

572
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: for the eighteen seventies, becomes a pretty big media storm

573
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: whatever that looked like back then, and that people, you know,

574
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: it became like a bit of a tourist stop. Like people.

575
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 2: It sounds like people essentially showed up there and kind

576
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: of looted the place. Over time, we're just kind of,

577
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: you know, breaking up pieces of the cellar and breaking

578
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: up the bed frame and kind of just taking whatever

579
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: they wanted with them.

580
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. And one of the reasons it became such a

581
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: media frenzy is they were the first serial killers in

582
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: America that America ever produced, at least as far as

583
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: the media could tell. A decade later, Austin would have

584
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: what's frequently referred to as the first serial killer in

585
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: America with the Servant Girl Annihilator, which is pre uh.

586
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I want to do a

587
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: podcast on that.

588
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: No, I don't know that name alone. It's like, yeah,

589
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: that's all right.

590
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: That stopped me called. I mean, this was ten years

591
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: before Jack the Ripper even right exactly.

592
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: And HH Holmes, who's also often referred to as America's

593
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: first serial killer, he wasn't until the eighteen thirties or

594
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: eighteen nineties, so he was like a good twenty years on.

595
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: So it was a big deal. So not only do

596
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: we have America's first serial killer, we had America's first

597
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: dark tourists show up at their house and take everything

598
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: they possibly could as a memento. But one of the

599
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: things that happened about this being such a huge media

600
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: sensation is that, like the country was following this and

601
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: everyone was basically looking for the Benders because don't forget,

602
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: they'd vanished. No one knew which way they went. All

603
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: they knew was that somewhere not too far off, they'd

604
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: ridden their wagon to that train station, and the train

605
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: ticket person had said, yeah, those four people definitely bought tickets,

606
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: but I can't tell you where. Yeah, And they said,

607
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: they said, you can tell us, so I'm a doctor. Right.

608
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: They did arrest twelve men. This sounds a little bit like, hey,

609
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: we've got to kind of do something. So they arrest

610
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: these guys who they alleged maybe were involved as far

611
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: as receiving stolen goods, because they never really found a

612
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: super clear motive. I mean, it seemed like a lot

613
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: of them may have had like traveling money, or like

614
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: the guy who had the two hundred and fifty bucks,

615
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: which was a lot of money at the time, but

616
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: it was never like one hundred percent established, like their

617
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: motive was just to rob people. But they implicated these

618
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: twelve guys as guys who may have helped them move

619
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: stolen items and money and stuff like that. And apparently

620
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: one of the guys was a member of a vigilanti

621
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: committee who tried to get on to help lead the

622
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: investigation with Colonel Yorke, but was denied and rejected, and

623
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: I think that kind of hurt his feelings. And I

624
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: think what it came down to was these guys, they

625
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: were known as the regulators, these vigilanties. They were throat cutters.

626
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: They would cut people's throat instead of like bringing them

627
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: back to face trial. And then they just sort of

628
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: tied it to these people because of the throat cutting.

629
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of pretty innocent a lot of

630
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: well a lot of innocent people died as a result.

631
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: So these people were bad dudes. But I saw that

632
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: it was more than just the throat cutting, that there

633
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: was a way that they would particularly leave bodies like you.

634
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: They would put the right hand against the right breast

635
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: and the left hand down like just by their side.

636
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: Like a pledge of allegiance.

637
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: Almost, but you're you're like as if you don't know

638
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: which side of your chest to put your hand and

639
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: you got it wrong, kind of like that. And apparently

640
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: they found a lot of the bodies in the orchard

641
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: at the Bender's place posed like this basically almost like

642
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: this was this is the sign, like this is what

643
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: this gang did. So I don't think they were like

644
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: in the gang, but it's possible that gang of vigilantes

645
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: were fencing this stuff for them, and that they were

646
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: at least tangentially related.

647
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: You know, sure, it's possible. Sure, when it comes down

648
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 2: to who these people really were, we're not exactly sure.

649
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of modern investigation about who they were,

650
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: and they think that Ma was a woman named Almira

651
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: Meek and was from upstate New York near the Adirondack Mountains,

652
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: so not German at all. There were some pretty sketchy accounts,

653
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: not super well researched, that said she had been married

654
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: before and that her husbands had all met violent deaths

655
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: from head wounds. So, you know, I don't know if

656
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: that's just the internet running with something, or if that's true.

657
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: Apparently, out of all of the four, the Ma and

658
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: Kate seemed to have actually been related, although I don't

659
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: know how. I didn't see how did.

660
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: You like how they were related?

661
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: No? No, no, like they were supposed to be mother

662
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: and daughter. But how did how did that ever get

663
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: turned up? Like? Where was that? How was that ever defined?

664
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: I think just people doing like modern research on lineage

665
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Okay, because they think they turned

666
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: up her original name too, that Ma was married to

667
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: a man named Griffith, and that Kate was really Eliza Griffith.

668
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: Okay.

669
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:20,479
Speaker 2: John Senior apparently was John Flickinger and was either from

670
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 2: Germany or the Netherlands. And then John Junior apparently israel

671
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: name was the alias that he was using that I

672
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: said to put up in in John Gerhart.

673
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: And now you can take that pin out and break

674
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: in half and throw it away.

675
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if he was using his real name as

676
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: an alias, then I'm not sure what was going on

677
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: with John Jr.

678
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: No, No, he's a Jettro type, don't forget. So there

679
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: were people who are like, oh, we've seen the benders.

680
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: Who saw the benders here, they went this way, they

681
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: went that away for years and years and years. It

682
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: was like like people would would report on their whereabouts,

683
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: and it's unclear to this day whether people did or

684
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: didn't know where they went. I saw there was one

685
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: kind of article I guess from the time that was

686
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: basically like, yeah, everybody knows where they are and there's

687
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: just nothing anyone can do. They made it to another

688
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: state and everybody just kind of leaves everybody else alone

689
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: out there. Other people have always reported like, no, they

690
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: have no idea where they went. They just kind of

691
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: vanished in the thin air. And then there were reports

692
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: that were usually incorrect, that they'd either been captured or

693
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: that they'd been killed, or there was one report that

694
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: Pod died by suicide in Lake Michigan in eighteen eighty four.

695
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: Right Another one said John Junior and Kate went to

696
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: New Mexico like sort of Texas New Mexico border and

697
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: John died of a stroke. Some people said that vigilantes

698
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: got them and they burned Kate alive and shot and

699
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: killed the other ones and buried him in the prairies,

700
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: but no one ever claimed the substantial reward, you know,

701
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: close to seventy grand today, So it seems like none

702
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: of these stories were probably true, or maybe who knows,

703
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: maybe one of them was. It's just no way to know.

704
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: So Laura Ingalls Wilder actually had a family story that

705
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: I read that her daughter basically said, hey, you should

706
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: weave this into our family story. So it's almost certainly

707
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: not true. That she and her family, on their way

708
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: to homestead passed by the Bender's tavern, but they didn't

709
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: have enough money to go in for food or to

710
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: stay there, but they settled in a close enough area

711
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: that after the Benders were found out her father, there

712
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: was a knock on her family's door and her father

713
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: was summoned outside with his gun and he didn't come

714
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: back till morning. But that anytime you ever asked him

715
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: about the Benders, he would say, they'll never be found again.

716
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: Right again, this isn't true. And one of the other

717
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: things that really undermines the Vigilanti theories again, seventy thousand

718
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: and today's dollars was offered as a reward. Somebody from

719
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: that group of Vigilanes would have stepped up and taken it,

720
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: or even if they didn't, how could a group of

721
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: vigilanes keep that secret for all that time? That it's

722
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: still to this day, never came out because that would

723
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: be something to boast about that you were among the

724
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: group of vigilanes that caught and killed the bloody benders,

725
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: you know. Sure, So I think the vigilane thing is get.

726
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: A book deal at the very least for sure these days.

727
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: I think it's the kind of thing where a lot

728
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: of Kansas Citianites know about it. You know, they celebrated

729
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: Bender Days for a while. They had a replica at

730
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: Cherry Vale at one point of the Bendor House. More recently,

731
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: in fact, just a couple of years ago, a gentleman

732
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 2: named Bob Miller, who was a financial advisor from Independence

733
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: and a historian and who knows maybe a bit of

734
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: a murder junkie, bought the land and basically said, like, Hey,

735
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: the people that own this land never did anything with it.

736
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: They never searched for the location of the murder sites

737
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: or the house, and I want to do that. I

738
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: want to like have like professional expert investigations done on

739
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: the property. I don't know if he plans to put

740
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: up like a Lizzie boardenhouse or something, but he wants

741
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 2: to get to the bottom of what he can, at.

742
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: Least right Yeah, he said he's going to try to

743
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: get with UK or K state. I don't remember which

744
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: one to do, like ground penetrating surveys, But I don't

745
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: know what his endgame is either. But it's pretty neat

746
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: that he bought it, And one of the reasons why

747
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: he's feeling good about finding something is the family that

748
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: he bought it from owned the land for like the

749
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: last sixty five previous years, and they showed zero interest

750
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: whatsoever in finding the actual site, and they just turned

751
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: it all into crop land. So there's a good chance

752
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: that there's something like the foundation, maybe even that gastro

753
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: seller the well that the one guy was found in

754
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: remnants of the orchard. Who knows, there could be plenty

755
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: of stuff left there. I don't know if they're gonna

756
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: I believe they exhumed all of the bodies that they found,

757
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: but that's not to say that they found everybody.

758
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, absolutely. There was a movie made in

759
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen called Bender that does not look great. Did

760
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: you see the trailer?

761
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: I know, I didn't. I just saw. Livia quoted a

762
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: user from IMDb that said it had some of the

763
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: worst acting I've ever seen.

764
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: What was the trailer like uh not, I mean, it

765
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: didn't look great. I read some other reviews that said

766
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: it was okay, but it wasn't like U super murdery

767
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: or super scary, so it kind of fell too much

768
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: toward like historical drama.

769
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: They talked a lot about like raising in harvesting grain.

770
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, but there was a thing that

771
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: in Red Dead Redemption two that is funny because I

772
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: kind of forgot about this. I played that game a

773
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and there's a pig farm where

774
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: your character shows up and there's a creepy old lady

775
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: and a creepy old man and they're like trying to

776
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 2: get you to stay for dinner. And apparently it's modeled

777
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: after this, and you don't really know, and you know,

778
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: when you're in those games, you don't know quite what

779
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 2: to do, Like I feel like I should leave. It's

780
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 2: kind of like real life. But they offer you libations,

781
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: and you need libations. So if you just I don't

782
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: all right, If you want to play this game and

783
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,479
Speaker 2: you haven't, it's pretty old, don't listen to this part.

784
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: But if you don't care, like most people, don't drink

785
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 2: the drink because as soon as you drink the drink,

786
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: the screen goes woozy, and you wake up the next day,

787
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure that good things happened overnight.

788
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: Okay, but you're not dead.

789
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: Huh, you're not dead.

790
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: That's not very bendery, No, it's not.

791
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: I think they were inspired by the Vendors a little bit,

792
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 2: but I don't know supposedly.

793
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: Also, I've never read American Gods, the Neil game and book.

794
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: Have you? Have you read any of his stuff?

795
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: Never have.

796
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: I've read some of his short stories and they're amazing,

797
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: so I'm surprised I've never read his novels. But in

798
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: American Gods, one of the characters is a Slavic god

799
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: named Zunborg, so that I'm going with. And every time

800
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: the Benders killed somebody, he gained strength from their sacrifice,

801
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 1: which is a pretty neat little take on the whole thing.

802
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: You know, because we're so like we have the blinders

803
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: on here on Earth, we don't even realize this murder

804
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: family is actually contributing to the well being of a

805
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: Slavic god.

806
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say, whenever they killed someone,

807
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: they would yell Zunberg.

808
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: Well they did that. Too, but that was never captured

809
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: in the articles from the time, Chuck, which, by the way,

810
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: if you're like I need to know more about the

811
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: bloody Benders, and I will not have it filtered through history.

812
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: I need the original stuff. There's a website called Genealogytrails

813
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: dot com and if you search that and Bender Family

814
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: and your favorite search engine, it will bring up the

815
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: crime related news articles from the time about the Bender family.

816
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: And it's awesome because it has a bunch of other details.

817
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: But also it's got like that old timey nineteenth century

818
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, crime reporting too write It's just worth reading,

819
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: for sure.

820
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 2: It's always fun.

821
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: You got anything else about the Benders?

822
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 2: Nothing else?

823
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: Well, that said about the Benders for now everybody. And

824
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: since Chuck said nothing else, that means it's time for

825
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: a listener. Man.

826
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, stumbled across you in the summer of twenty

827
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: twenty when I was employed as a USPS Rural Carrier associate,

828
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: not a rural juror. I heard it.

829
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: Wait wait, now, I need to know what was that.

830
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: I can't remember what that's.

831
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: From thirty Rock.

832
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: I still can't place it, but I'll think about it

833
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: and I'll say Eureka later.

834
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: Okay, well, what's funny is after we talked a little

835
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: bit about thirty Rock on our Sitcoms episode and Emily

836
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: went out of town for a week and I barreled

837
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: through season one of thirty Rock while she was gone,

838
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: and it was so good.

839
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, just really do it again.

840
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: What a show god. Alec Baldwin Yeah, and Tracy Morgan Yeah.

841
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: And don't forget Liz Lemon.

842
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: She was great. But uh oh boy, Baldwin and Tracy

843
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: Morgan just slavey on the show. I mean, everyone on

844
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: that show was really funny.

845
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Tracy Morgan's best quote was somebody offered him cash

846
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: who's and he said, I'm glad you said that, because

847
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: I thought it was a bowl of baby penises.

848
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: His other a good one that I got was you're

849
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: talking about how they go together, like peanut butter, and

850
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: he said, or like chicken and the chicken container.

851
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. So.

852
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: Rural Juror though, was the movie that Jane Krakowski was in,

853
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: and the joke is she goes Rure Duror and like,

854
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: no one knows what the title of the movie. He is,

855
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: but it had gone so long they couldn't really ask her, uh,

856
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: what the name of the movie was.

857
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 1: I don't.

858
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna keep watching it. She's so funny too, however, okay,

859
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 2: all right, back to the email. I have heard a

860
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: podcasts before, but never gave it much thought until a

861
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: friend insisted started to listen to some and they got

862
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: to the point of stuff you should Know, where I'd

863
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: talk to some much about y'all. My husband finally came

864
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: and said, who the Hecker Josh and Chuck, and when

865
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: you're going to introduce me to your new friends? But

866
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: now the show is our go to for family road trips.

867
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: Awesome.

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Speaker 2: One neat thing I wanted to write about, though, was

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Speaker 2: my last dental appointment in February. I decided to bring

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Speaker 2: along earbuds so I could listen to y'all while getting

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Speaker 2: some feelings done. I asked the dentist and the assistant

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Speaker 2: if it would be okay to listen to the podcast

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Speaker 2: while they work, and the dentist said it was okay,

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Speaker 2: but asked me what I was going to listen to first.

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Speaker 2: I told her it was stuff you should Know and

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Speaker 2: how much I enjoyed it. And I was listening to

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Speaker 2: the Chowchilla Bus kidnapping episode. My dentist lit up and

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Speaker 2: told me how awesome that episode was. Her assistant had

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Speaker 2: never heard of the show, but the dentist was happily

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Speaker 2: talking about your show so much that my entire visit

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Speaker 2: I didn't get to listen to the episode because I

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Speaker 2: was half chatting to my dentist about stuff. You should know.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for saving me while I was delivering people's mail,

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Speaker 2: and for keeping company during my commutes with love from

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Speaker 2: the Land of ten Thousand Lakes. That is Tanya Vanderpool

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Speaker 2: from Texas. Ten thousand Lakes, Texas has like two lakes.

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Speaker 1: What is that Minnesota? Minnesota?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, a thousand lakes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gotta be Michigan. No, Minnesota, Yeah, it's Minnesota

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Speaker 1: for sure. She really didn't say, you're not toying with me.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I'm saying I'm not toying

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Speaker 2: with you, but I'm also on the verge of saying

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Speaker 2: so many things that are wrong about lakes and states

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Speaker 2: that I'm just stopping.

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Speaker 1: That's fine, that's fine, But can you imagine the audacity

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Speaker 1: of just signing off with the Land of ten Thousand

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Speaker 1: Lakes and not putting in parentheses. What state you're talking about?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I like my email's Chuck of the Peach State.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well that is pretty audacious. Chuck, it's violently unusual.

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Speaker 2: What was the person's name again, Minnesota?

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Speaker 1: You're in fine form today, aren't you. You're being playful.

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Speaker 2: I'm kidding. It was Tanya Vanderpool.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thanks a lot, Tanya. We appreciate that, and we're

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Speaker 1: glad we can keep you company and that we made

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Speaker 1: your dentist's appointment so special. If you want to get

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Speaker 1: in touch with us like Tanya did and tell us

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Speaker 1: about your dental visits, why not, You can send it

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Speaker 1: in an email to Stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For

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Speaker 2: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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