Speaker 1: Welcome to the piked In Massacre, a production of iHeartRadio
Speaker 1: and Katie Studios. On the morning of April twenty second,
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, the small town of piked In, Ohio who
Speaker 1: woke to some horrifying news spread out across four homes,
Speaker 1: all within a few miles of each other, Eight members
Speaker 1: of a local family, the Rodents, were found murdered. They
Speaker 1: were shot execution style in their beds, the victims of
Speaker 1: a methodical killing spree. It was an unprecedented and confounding crime,
Speaker 1: one that would launch the largest homicide investigation in Ohio's history.
Speaker 2: Frustration, anger, sadness, emotions are still raw at Pike County.
Speaker 3: Most of the people in this town say, whoever shot
Speaker 3: and killed eight members of the Rodent family need to
Speaker 3: be found soon.
Speaker 4: I hope that the.
Speaker 5: UH now enforcene in this area apprehend each and everyone.
Speaker 4: These aren't peoples, these or monsters.
Speaker 1: Episode two, Wagner's in Custody. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a TV
Speaker 1: producer at Katie Studios. With Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane,
Speaker 1: we produced television series and documentaries. Here's Stephanie for me.
Speaker 6: This case was incredibly disturbing and personally really hard to
Speaker 6: stop thinking about eight people from the exact same family,
Speaker 6: all killed in one night, but at four different locations.
Speaker 6: That's extremely strategic. The three of us have been following
Speaker 6: this case very closely for years. Here's producer Jeff Shane
Speaker 6: talking to Jodi Barr, an investigative journalists who have reported
Speaker 6: for TV station Fox nineteen and Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: You're not, as a journalist, easily shocked, but like this
Speaker 3: was shocking, probably right, Yeah, it was shocking.
Speaker 7: I would say it was more confusion because on the
Speaker 7: typical murder, or you know, a breaking news story, you
Speaker 7: can roll the events in your mind. But this is
Speaker 7: this isn't the typical murder, you know, where there's one
Speaker 7: or two victims of a single house and you know
Speaker 7: the bad guy took off. You know, this was something
Speaker 7: way outside the norm. You're just thinking, what is going
Speaker 7: on here?
Speaker 4: This? None of this makes sense, But you knew.
Speaker 7: It had to be something big because you've got eight
Speaker 7: members of one family targeted, murdered in their sleep, in
Speaker 7: their homes, and the killers seemingly vanished. We didn't know
Speaker 7: the pieces, we didn't know how to put it together.
Speaker 7: There was no information coming out about these murders, about motives,
Speaker 7: Even the family members who were in direct communication with
Speaker 7: law enforcement, even they weren't being told anything. I mean,
Speaker 7: call it good investigative work, and you know you hold
Speaker 7: your cards close to the chest as an investigator. Maybe
Speaker 7: that's what it was, but you know, from the outside
Speaker 7: looking in, it was almost like law enforcement didn't have
Speaker 7: a clue at that point in time.
Speaker 8: An overwhelming amount of tips have been pouring into police,
Speaker 8: but nor rest have been made.
Speaker 2: Attorney General Mike Dwine is saying that over two hundred
Speaker 2: investigators and police officers have contributed so far to this
Speaker 2: on going.
Speaker 9: Investment, and he's being offered, but the killer has disappeared.
Speaker 1: As the investigation dragged on, rumors ran rampant in the
Speaker 1: close knit community, and journalists like Jodi Barr started digging deeper.
Speaker 7: This did seem to be a very tactical, a very
Speaker 7: clean sort of you know, when you think of an
Speaker 7: assassin doing a hit like you see.
Speaker 4: In the movies.
Speaker 7: You started to wonder if there wasn't something to that
Speaker 7: because of just how seemingly clean these killings were. I mean,
Speaker 7: how does one person or a group of people hit
Speaker 7: four separate homes kill eight different people seemingly leave absolutely
Speaker 7: no trace of any evidence.
Speaker 4: What does this mean? What is going on here?
Speaker 7: But after I started having conversations with the Rodent family
Speaker 7: and you start talking to some people who were very
Speaker 7: close to the victims in this case, at least very
Speaker 7: close acquaintances, you started to realize that, you know that
Speaker 7: there were some people that even I had conversations with
Speaker 7: than Pike County, who I knew they knew more than
Speaker 7: what they were telling me. I knew they knew more
Speaker 7: about what happened that morning, and they knew more about
Speaker 7: the circumstances surrounding the Rodents that could have led to
Speaker 7: these murders. But they would not tell it. And I
Speaker 7: don't know if it was because they were afraid or
Speaker 7: they didn't want to believe what they believed happened. But
Speaker 7: all we kept hearing from the Rodan family, from the
Speaker 7: people around there, and they were phrasing it this way
Speaker 7: is that it was locals.
Speaker 4: What did that mean? We didn't know.
Speaker 1: By the summer of twenty eighteen, the investigation had entered
Speaker 1: its second year and piked in. Residents like Barbara were
Speaker 1: becoming increasingly scared.
Speaker 10: It's an extremely sinister thing that occurred. It's like a movie.
Speaker 10: When I was young, people got along and you know,
Speaker 10: it was we left our doors unlocked. It was. It
Speaker 10: was that trusting and relaxed in Pike County, so we
Speaker 10: could believe something like that what happen here.
Speaker 11: And it was.
Speaker 10: It was especially terrifying because no one knew who did
Speaker 10: it or why. And you don't know if your family's next.
Speaker 12: It's just a grizzly scene in a grisly situation.
Speaker 4: If you are fearful, arm yourself. If you feel that
Speaker 4: you need to protect yourself or family, do so.
Speaker 1: On November thirteenth, twenty eighteen, everything was said to change.
Speaker 1: Here's Governor of Ohio, Mike Dwine, then Attorney General.
Speaker 10: Well, good afternoon.
Speaker 3: We promised that the day would come when the rest
Speaker 3: would be made in the Pike County masters.
Speaker 13: Today's that day.
Speaker 1: In a series of arrests that sent shock waves through
Speaker 1: the insulated community, six members of a local family, the Wagners,
Speaker 1: were taken into custody.
Speaker 9: Up your hands all right, brung up whack hollar.
Speaker 1: Forty seven year old Billy Wagner is the patriarch of
Speaker 1: the Wagner family and was arrested near Lexington, Kentucky, in
Speaker 1: a horse trailer that was pulled over.
Speaker 5: Go down your name and Hunterback and hungerbuy.
Speaker 1: Angela Wagner is Billy's wife and matriarch of the Wagner family.
Speaker 1: The forty eight year old was arrested at their home
Speaker 1: near Piketon.
Speaker 13: Ohioha Angela Wayner in the car twenty one copy thirteen
Speaker 13: thirty one.
Speaker 1: Angela and Billy's two sons, George Wagner and Jake Wagner,
Speaker 1: were arrested together during a traffic stop. George is twenty
Speaker 1: seven and Jake was twenty six. Seventy six year old
Speaker 1: Frederica Wagner, Billy Wagner's mother, was arrested at the family's
Speaker 1: horse farm, the Flying w Angela Wagner mother, sixty five
Speaker 1: year old Rita Joe Newcomb, was arrested at her home,
Speaker 1: while six members of the Wagner family were arrested in
Speaker 1: connection with the crime. Billy, Angela, George, and Jake Wagner
Speaker 1: were charged with eight counts of aggravated murder.
Speaker 3: It deals about the arrests of four people in the
Speaker 3: murders of eight members of the road in family.
Speaker 4: Back in April twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen, a criminal defense attorney and legal commentator for
Speaker 1: Fox nineteen and Cincinnati, was covering the story when the
Speaker 1: news broke.
Speaker 5: All the arrests happened within minutes of each other, and
Speaker 5: that tells me that the BCI, the Ohio Bureau of
Speaker 5: Criminal Identification, who was in charge of this investigation, they
Speaker 5: know what they're doing and they wanted to make sure
Speaker 5: that they affected these arrests without any kind of problems
Speaker 5: or tipping anybody off, so they had that thing down
Speaker 5: pretty tight. You've got four people charged in the murders themselves,
Speaker 5: and that's capital murder in the state of Ohio that
Speaker 5: does have the death penalty as a possible penalty in
Speaker 5: a case like this, so it is death penalty case.
Speaker 1: How rare is it to have multiple capital murder cases going.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen multiple four people up for capital murder
Speaker 1: in Ohio before.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 5: And I've been in the system for over fifty years,
Speaker 5: and I mean the most I've seen were two co
Speaker 5: defendants being tried for capital murder from the same set
Speaker 5: of facts, but never four. So that is extremely rare
Speaker 5: that you got for people. For defendants facing the death penalty.
Speaker 1: The charges for the two other family members were less severe.
Speaker 1: Grandmother Frederica Wagner, Billy Wagner's mother, was charged with obstruction
Speaker 1: of justice and perjury. Angela Wagner's mother, Rita Newcombe, was
Speaker 1: charged with forgery, perjury, and obstruction of justice. But to
Speaker 1: Mike Allen, one charge brought against the alleged trigger pullers
Speaker 1: makes one thing clear.
Speaker 5: They're also charged with conspiracy engaging in a pattern of
Speaker 5: corrupt activity, which means that they all work together on this.
Speaker 5: I think it's obvious, at least to the prosecutors and
Speaker 5: the investigators that this thing was nobody freelancing. They were
Speaker 5: possibly all operating together tampering with evidence. That kind of
Speaker 5: speaks for itself. I mean, you know, once they knew
Speaker 5: that they were the focus of the investigation, perhaps they
Speaker 5: did something with the evidence.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break here. We'll be
Speaker 1: back in a moment. We needed to know more about
Speaker 1: the Rodents and the accused, the Wagners. We also wanted
Speaker 1: to be mpiped in to learn about the town. So Stephanie,
Speaker 1: Jeff and I flew to Ohio.
Speaker 6: There was this extremely eerie vibe to the town. There
Speaker 6: definitely was a sense that something very big was happening
Speaker 6: in real time. It almost felt it felt a little dangerous.
Speaker 1: I think eeriness, she said, is the best word, like
Speaker 1: just something was not right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's not uncommon. It was a perfect American
Speaker 6: small town, right, there's one diner, there's not a movie theater.
Speaker 6: So again, small insulated.
Speaker 3: And you know, we just when we just started trying
Speaker 3: to go door to door to meet anyone who could
Speaker 3: tell us about the road and family.
Speaker 6: I would say every single person we spoke to legitimately
Speaker 6: invited us inside and could not have been lovelier.
Speaker 1: There also was the experience of knocking on doors knowing
Speaker 1: very well people are there. There was smoke coming out
Speaker 1: of the chimney. We physically saw the curtains be closed,
Speaker 1: and certain people ndstandably didn't want to speak to us,
Speaker 1: but those who did, they were so welcoming. We reached
Speaker 1: out to journalist Jeff Winkler, who was doing research on
Speaker 1: the Wagner family.
Speaker 4: For me personally.
Speaker 9: When I first got an idea of how their ownents
Speaker 9: lived and you know, who was related to who and whatnot,
Speaker 9: I think I originally had the sense that the Wagoners
Speaker 9: were in the same sort of position in terms of
Speaker 9: property and and and perhaps financial situation will not. But
Speaker 9: the Wagoners, I was rather surprised to learn that they had,
Speaker 9: you know, a huge farm. They'd been running various farm
Speaker 9: businesses on this huge bit of land or landlords. And
Speaker 9: there were there was something of a sort of sort
Speaker 9: of a family, if you will, in the area. And
Speaker 9: you know, there were people that they we spoke with
Speaker 9: that had some very open thoughts and loving thoughts about
Speaker 9: the family.
Speaker 1: In all this, we couldn't help wonder how could this
Speaker 1: esteemed piked In family allegedly be responsible for Ohio's most
Speaker 1: horrific murder. It seemed like everyone had an opinion. Here's
Speaker 1: Andreie Montgomery, a piked In resident.
Speaker 8: When the Wagners were arrested, you had your fifty to fifty.
Speaker 13: You had people that said, yes, I knew that they
Speaker 13: did that, and then you've got people that say, there's
Speaker 13: no way those people did that.
Speaker 1: But we wanted to get the story for ourselves, to
Speaker 1: talk to those who actually knew the people accused of
Speaker 1: carrying out these ruthless murders.
Speaker 3: Hello, Hi, Dorey, It's Jeff Shane calling Hi.
Speaker 5: Hi.
Speaker 3: How are you is now a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Deray Mcalvy. She's Billy Wagner's cousin and
Speaker 1: she grew up with the Wagners.
Speaker 3: Were you close with Billy.
Speaker 12: Billy was quite a bit younger than me.
Speaker 8: I was about eleven years old when Billy was born,
Speaker 8: but I was raised with him, and we had.
Speaker 12: A whole lot of fun. It was so much fun.
Speaker 8: We all bred horses, and we lived in Ohio and
Speaker 8: it was beautiful and it snowed in the wintertime, and
Speaker 8: it was beautiful in the summer, and we just had
Speaker 8: so much fun.
Speaker 12: It was unbelievable.
Speaker 3: He was like a really good dad, right, like a
Speaker 3: hard working just like sturdy, like good person, right.
Speaker 12: All for his family. M hmm, all for his family.
Speaker 1: Dere's depiction of her aunt, Frederica Wagner was just as glowing.
Speaker 12: I spent my summers with my aunt Frederica.
Speaker 8: It was awesome because we rode horses, we rode ponies,
Speaker 8: did all kinds of awesome stuff.
Speaker 3: I've heard the nicest things about her that she was
Speaker 3: like an angel in that town.
Speaker 8: She had to have been an angel in that town
Speaker 8: because what I seen for her, what she did for
Speaker 8: the community. She built a church for the community. She
Speaker 8: financed the church for the community. She loves people, she
Speaker 8: loves children.
Speaker 1: But we were curious what did Deray think about the
Speaker 1: charges against her family.
Speaker 8: Our family joke is that there's no way that Betty
Speaker 8: Crocker and the Dobe boys could ever go to an
Speaker 8: extreme of murder.
Speaker 12: It's not within their capabilities.
Speaker 8: They love animals and they love people, and they are
Speaker 8: really good at being resilient. And if you look up
Speaker 8: the word Hillbilly and you really research that word, they
Speaker 8: were very resilient in taking care of their family.
Speaker 12: Somebody did it, but it wasn't Now.
Speaker 1: To get more information on twenty seven year old George
Speaker 1: and twenty six year old Jake Wagner, Angela and Billy
Speaker 1: Wagner's sons, we reached out to Christina Howard. Christina's sister, Tabitha,
Speaker 1: was married to George Wagner. The pair later divorced. Christina
Speaker 1: spoke with Stephanie Leidecker about the time she spent with
Speaker 1: the Wagner family.
Speaker 11: My sister spent a lot of time over at George's
Speaker 11: house before they got married. She was pretty much living
Speaker 11: with them at the time before she got married, and
Speaker 11: then after she got married, she straight, you know, moved
Speaker 11: in with them, and I used to go over there
Speaker 11: to their house every now and again, you know.
Speaker 6: And did he seem like a nice guy?
Speaker 1: What was his demeanor like?
Speaker 11: He was funny. He was always cracking jokes and stuff
Speaker 11: all the time.
Speaker 6: So I don't know much about Jake Wagner at all.
Speaker 1: What was he like as a kid.
Speaker 11: He was actually really sweet as a kid. We got
Speaker 11: along pretty good because you know, we just hung out
Speaker 11: all the time, played video games, went outside.
Speaker 1: Was he shy?
Speaker 11: He wasn't shy with me. He was a really nice kid.
Speaker 11: And well, growing up, my sisters were kind of bullies
Speaker 11: to me and Taby she was dating George at the time,
Speaker 11: and Tabby she would pick on me and Jake he
Speaker 11: would take up for me, but like, hey, don't pick
Speaker 11: on your little sister like that. What's mean and stuff.
Speaker 1: Here's a Wagner family relative. She asked us not to
Speaker 1: use her name, but was happy to talk to us
Speaker 1: about the family. She remembers Angela Wagner as a caring
Speaker 1: mother with a big heart.
Speaker 13: Angela was just so sweet, like she was the sweetest lady.
Speaker 13: I mean, anybody could ask her for help. I know
Speaker 13: there was multiple times where there was just she had heard,
Speaker 13: you know of Like there was a woman and her
Speaker 13: daughter that was getting out of an abusive relationship and
Speaker 13: Angela had just heard about it. She didn't know this lady,
Speaker 13: you know, she had no idea anything about her. She
Speaker 13: just knew that this woman and her you know, needed help.
Speaker 13: The Angelos went and helped her get out of that.
Speaker 13: You know, she gave her place to stay, She made
Speaker 13: sure that the daughter had clothes and suit and you know,
Speaker 13: she would always do stuff like that for people.
Speaker 1: Everything we were hearing about the Wagner seemed at odds
Speaker 1: with this image of the cold blooded killers accused of
Speaker 1: murdering an entire family. But the deeper we dug, the
Speaker 1: more secrets we began to find. Jeff continued speaking with
Speaker 1: the same anonymous Wagner relative who speaks so closingly Evangela Wagner.
Speaker 1: As it turns out, not everyone in the Wagner family
Speaker 1: has such a sterling reputation, and when the conversation shifts
Speaker 1: to Billy Wagner, things take a turn. Here is the
Speaker 1: Wagner relative's first hand account.
Speaker 3: Do you know when she met Billy and like when
Speaker 3: that when they got married and how like that relationship
Speaker 3: started and progressed.
Speaker 13: Uh, yeah, that was. She has been with him for
Speaker 13: something years, maybe longer, but towards he goes now, that's
Speaker 13: a different Like I and my family we always kind
Speaker 13: of thought sometime was like off with him. We never
Speaker 13: actually never got to like connect with him in that way.
Speaker 13: We always everybody always kind of knew that there was
Speaker 13: something stranger that he was kind of he just had
Speaker 13: this persona about him, like he was just a very
Speaker 13: cold and just hateful person really is what I thought of.
Speaker 13: In anyways, he was just a very rough around me
Speaker 13: as a guy. And when it comes to him and Angela,
Speaker 13: I'm not sure really how the beginning of a relationship was,
Speaker 13: but I know towards the end, like before or you know,
Speaker 13: right after all this happened, he was just very controlling,
Speaker 13: very controlling. He She was afraid of him, extremely afraid
Speaker 13: of him, as were the boys now, their oldest son George,
Speaker 13: him and his dad. They were kind of like the same.
Speaker 13: I just I don't believe that they're good people at all.
Speaker 3: So what can you tell me about the relationship between
Speaker 3: Angela and Billy Wagner?
Speaker 13: I do know that Angela was, She was extremely She
Speaker 13: was just afraid to leave, you know, she was afraid
Speaker 13: to leave. She was terrified that if she did try
Speaker 13: to leave, that he would find her, because he made
Speaker 13: that very clear, you know, from what I've heard and
Speaker 13: what her father had said, all multiplecasions like you know,
Speaker 13: you're not gonna leave.
Speaker 1: Let's stop here for another quick break. We'll be back
Speaker 1: in a moment. This account of Angela and Billy's relationship
Speaker 1: piqued our curiosity, so we started poking around for more
Speaker 1: and from about the Wagoners. Most of what we uncovered
Speaker 1: had to do with grandmother Frederica Wagner, Billy Wagner's mother,
Speaker 1: and what seemed to be some potentially questionable business practices.
Speaker 1: I followed up with journalist Jeff Winkler to find out more.
Speaker 9: Rodrika Wagner was repeatedly referred to as a god fearing woman,
Speaker 9: was running a nursing home and doing a lot of
Speaker 9: community service and community care for people, but like the Wagers,
Speaker 9: had a lot of different sides.
Speaker 1: To them exactly. And she had started a church as well,
Speaker 1: and she took underprivileged kids. If people needed groceries, she
Speaker 1: brought them groceries. So there is all of that, and
Speaker 1: then on the flip side, many other people say they
Speaker 1: were very secretive. There's also allegations of for example, in
Speaker 1: the nursing home, maybe some dishonest business and perhaps cheating
Speaker 1: people who were at a disadvantage out of money. And
Speaker 1: these are substantiated court documents.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the longer we looked into it, the longer it
Speaker 9: seemed like thens you know, apart from having property and
Speaker 9: been there for a long time, they were wheeling and dealing.
Speaker 9: And I think although they were sort of pillars of
Speaker 9: the community and involved in the community, certainly I think
Speaker 9: that sort of especially when you have that sort of
Speaker 9: much to lose.
Speaker 4: You get protective.
Speaker 9: Frederica Wagner had very much built the family business. Fredrika
Speaker 9: Wagner was the one who kept the family business going,
Speaker 9: and she kept the family and businesses on track. And uh,
Speaker 9: you know, when you are building an empire, the last
Speaker 9: thing you want to do is to see it fall.
Speaker 9: And they were working on their fourth generation of Wagner
Speaker 9: uh dominance in the area. So I can definitely understand sort.
Speaker 4: Of protectiveness of that.
Speaker 9: And in those cases, you you know, maybe you close,
Speaker 9: maybe you close.
Speaker 4: Ranks a little bit. You stick, you stick to kin.
Speaker 9: You know, blood is thicker than water.
Speaker 1: As we talked to more people in the community, we
Speaker 1: found that these rumblings about the Wagner's business practices had
Speaker 1: been circulating for years, and somehowd the deep distrust of
Speaker 1: the family and their once sterling reputation. Jeff got Barber's
Speaker 1: thoughts about grandmother Frederica Wagner.
Speaker 2: All I've ever heard about her is one I've heard
Speaker 2: how wonderful she is, how generous she was. I never
Speaker 2: heard a bad word about that woman.
Speaker 10: But just you know, she knew what she was doing,
Speaker 10: and she just did what she could do to keep
Speaker 10: them from being guilty, to keep them from being found
Speaker 10: guilty or from being arrested, you know.
Speaker 11: What I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they seem like everyone was on the surface, like
Speaker 3: everyone loved them, and then when this happens, all the
Speaker 3: other dirt kind of starts coming out.
Speaker 10: It's like I can see beneath that surface, you know,
Speaker 10: I feel like I can see her heart. When I
Speaker 10: look at her, I just see is just kind of
Speaker 10: see evil.
Speaker 1: But while Frederica Wagner may have been involved in some
Speaker 1: questionable business dealings and to some accounts, Billy Wagner may
Speaker 1: not have been the best husband. We still didn't know
Speaker 1: what all this had to do with the Rodents. At
Speaker 1: their arraignment, all six members of the Wagner family pled
Speaker 1: not guilty to all charges. It is worth noting, however,
Speaker 1: that the charges against Frederica Wagner were eventually dropped and
Speaker 1: Rita Joe Nukam ended up taking a plea deal. There's
Speaker 1: more to tell on these grandmother stories, but we'll get
Speaker 1: to all that later.
Speaker 3: According to official court documents, all four of the Wagner
Speaker 3: family are considered trigger pollers, meaning each one of them
Speaker 3: had a hand in killing the Rodents that night, which
Speaker 3: means they drove house to house the time, killing eight people.
Speaker 6: It's also been speculated that Angela Wagner was really the
Speaker 6: mastermind of this whole plan. When you look at her picture,
Speaker 6: for example, her mugshot, she just looks like a regular
Speaker 6: mom that you would see at the market. She doesn't
Speaker 6: at all fit the profile that I have in my
Speaker 6: head of what a serial killer or a mass murderer
Speaker 6: should look like. And if she did do this, why
Speaker 6: did she put this plan together? Because she wanted to
Speaker 6: protect her own family? And if so, the irony is
Speaker 6: if she's found guilty, because they're all being tried separately,
Speaker 6: she may never cross paths with her husband or her
Speaker 6: sons ever.
Speaker 1: Again, you know, we obviously wanted to go back and
Speaker 1: see what was the lead up, what brought us to
Speaker 1: this point, and what was the intersection between the Rodent
Speaker 1: family and the Wagner family. We got very curious about
Speaker 1: the relationship between Jake Wagner and Hannah Rodin. Here's the
Speaker 1: anonymous Wagner relative again, Jake.
Speaker 13: She had got involved with with Hannah Roden.
Speaker 1: Hannah Rodin is the middle Rodent child and murder victim.
Speaker 1: She was found dead in bed next to her five
Speaker 1: day old baby, Kylie. She shared a child with Jake Wagner,
Speaker 1: a two and a half year old daughter named Sophia.
Speaker 13: Eventually, you know, they had separated. In everything that they
Speaker 13: had separated, I guess.
Speaker 3: On five term.
Speaker 1: It seemed that the demise of their relationship had sparked
Speaker 1: an ugly custody battle surrounding Sophia.
Speaker 13: Hannah she was, you know, refusing to allow him to
Speaker 13: see her, to get her or any of the family
Speaker 13: to see her, and so it kind of just it
Speaker 13: got out of hand. At that point it just set
Speaker 13: him off to the point where Jake he had made
Speaker 13: the comments you know that he were going.
Speaker 12: To kill her.
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