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Speaker 1: I gave the Dodgers an A for Winter meetings. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Where the hell is ta Oscar Hernandez? And why why

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Speaker 1: We are always so happy to have you here on

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Speaker 1: Dodgers Territory. For the next thirty minutes, we will take

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Speaker 1: you through all things Los Angeles Dodgers. I am Alana Rizzo.

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Speaker 1: That is my co host and crime Clint Paesius. Happy

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Speaker 1: to be with you today. Thanks for being with us,

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Speaker 1: you guys, we always appreciate it. Please rate us five stars,

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Speaker 1: as Clint likes to say, all right, so today is

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Speaker 1: the last day of winter meetings, Clint, which leads us

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Speaker 1: to our big ticket, let's do it all right? So,

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Speaker 1: I think if you're going to give the Dodgers a grade,

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Speaker 1: which I know we love to do that. We love

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Speaker 1: going to give them an A. And the reason being

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Speaker 1: is they don't need to do more than they have done.

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Speaker 1: but let's keep in mind that they didn't go to

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Speaker 1: the Winter Meetings needing a splash, because they already had

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Speaker 1: a couple of splashes prior to they extended Tommy Edmund,

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Speaker 1: They got Blake Snell. They also got Blake turning on

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Speaker 1: a two year, twenty two million dollar deal during these

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Speaker 1: I'm pleased with what they've done so far.

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Speaker 2: What say you to the meetings part of it, I'm

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Speaker 2: a little disappointed. I would like to see more activity,

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Speaker 2: more whatever happened, they weren't gonna win headlines at the

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Speaker 2: Winter Meetings because they weren't going to sign Juan Soto.

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Speaker 2: But that's me being greedy, that's me being way over

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Speaker 2: the top. I agree with you, they are greedy. Well yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm a Dodgers fan, like we just get everything these

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Speaker 2: these players. This winter. I really like what they've done

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Speaker 1: Now, I do too. And here's a couple of things

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Speaker 1: we can finally put the is Garrett Crochet go in

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Speaker 1: tired of talking about Garrett Crochet. He was traded. He

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what I had said many many times. I

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Speaker 1: They're not going to pay Burns two hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you this. I mean for Walker. Good on

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers being in on another back end of the

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Speaker 2: bullpen piece.

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Speaker 1: So just get one of those guys. They get one

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Speaker 1: of those guys. They signed Blake Trying, and they got

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Speaker 1: Blake Snell, They extended Tommy Edmund, they got confordo and

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Speaker 1: you can get tay Oscar. Dodgers won the off Dodgers

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Speaker 1: won the off season. Yeah, by the way, let's get

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Speaker 1: to bleed and blue.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: All right, So get ready for Mookie Bets at the

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Speaker 1: shortstop position again in twenty twenty five. What the hell

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Speaker 1: are we doing?

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Speaker 2: Listen? They made it official on uh what, the first day,

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Speaker 2: the first official full day of the winter meetings. Mookie

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Speaker 2: Betts going to shortstop. Tommy Edmund will be mostly playing

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Speaker 2: in center field. And I had that that kind of

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Speaker 2: take at first as well. I'm like, I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think and I still don't think that's where

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Speaker 2: Move's future ends up. He's not going to be a shortstop,

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Speaker 2: So why do it now? But the shortstop market with

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Speaker 2: William Damis off of it isn't quite robust. And if

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Speaker 2: what Dino Ebel told us a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: the biggest issue for MOOKI was throwing if he has

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Speaker 2: a full offseason instead of seven to ten days to

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Speaker 2: figure out the position on the fly. I agree with

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Speaker 2: the team in saying I will bet on Mookie Bets.

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Speaker 2: I bet on the man, you bet on the person,

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Speaker 2: You bet on the player. This is a Hall of famer.

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Speaker 2: He's a very very good baseball player. And it's not

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Speaker 2: catching the ball, it's not the range, it's just the

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Speaker 2: footwork and the arm angles. And Dino said he already

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Speaker 2: got better immediately when he went back into right field

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Speaker 2: and kind of kept practicing a shortstop. Am I excited

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Speaker 2: about it? No? Am I worried about it? No, because

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Speaker 2: you still have the depth there. What is your take

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Speaker 2: on Mookie Bets shortstop Era two?

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Speaker 1: To me, it just says that we don't have a

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Speaker 1: shortstop for the foreseeable future in terms of long term shortstop,

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Speaker 1: And it also says to me that they only trust

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Speaker 1: Gavin at second. It also says, I, I love Tommy

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Speaker 1: Edmund and center. I think that's the exact right place

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Speaker 1: for where Tommy Edmund needs to be defensively obviously with

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Speaker 1: his skill set. I love that, you know. To me,

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Speaker 1: it just says that they're still questioning that they don't

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Speaker 1: have a long term shortstop because MOOKI will not be

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Speaker 1: a shortstop for the remainder of his career. Like that's

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Speaker 1: just your body just doesn't work that way, So is

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Speaker 1: it a short term fix perhaps? Do I trust Mookie?

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Speaker 1: Of course I do think he can be a gold

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Speaker 1: Glover at short But does that mean that so you

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Speaker 1: keep Gavin at second because you don't trust Gavin to

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Speaker 1: be the future at the shortstop position. They're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to address the shortstop spot soon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that I fully agree with. They have some options

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Speaker 2: in house. We know Miguel Rojas will be around for

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Speaker 2: another year.

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Speaker 1: Migul is my you know, like Miguel is, Miguel Is,

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Speaker 1: he's not knowing battles. But Miguel Rojas is a player coach.

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Speaker 1: He can't. He can't play shortstop every single day. He

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Speaker 1: just can't. I mean again, your body, it's a very

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Speaker 1: very difficult defensive position and it takes a toll on

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Speaker 1: your body.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they they have again, they have options for kind

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Speaker 2: of a rotation you would like to see, like the

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Speaker 2: man being there, especially after this team had uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: Corey Seeger for all those years and then and then

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Speaker 2: another season of Trey Turner, and then it's just kind

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Speaker 2: of been this weird, you know, sort of black hole

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Speaker 2: at shortstop, and and to me, it feels a lot

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Speaker 2: like the the post Adrian Beltray era where they had

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Speaker 2: no idea what they were doing at third base until

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Speaker 2: Justin Turner showed up. So this could be a problem

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Speaker 2: at shortstop for quite some time, unless you know some

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Speaker 2: of the draft picks they've made. Last year, their first

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Speaker 2: round pick Kellen Lindsay, he's a long way away from

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Speaker 2: being the answer at shortstop if he ever is. And

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Speaker 2: they have some other guys the minor leagues that play shortstop.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't necessarily mean that this position of this

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Speaker 2: front office, this organization believes in them as big leaguers,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know that. Now you can, like in

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Speaker 2: this window, you can try to rush or put some

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Speaker 2: of these guys out, whether it be an Alex Freeland,

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Speaker 2: who's one of the guys that's probably closest to making

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Speaker 2: his big league debut. You can't have a championship window

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Speaker 2: and go with a rookie at shortstop. That's just not

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Speaker 2: what the Dodgers are able to do now. In the

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Speaker 2: show Heyo tani.

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Speaker 1: Ara, Now long long gone are the days of the

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Speaker 1: you know, the Corey Seegers and Trey Turners, like, we

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Speaker 1: just don't. We have a lot of folks in the pipeline,

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Speaker 1: and I love that this is one of the teams

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Speaker 1: in the BIGS that can continue to reload, not even rebuild,

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Speaker 1: reload and not decimate the farm system. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: have such a great part. I think probably the Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Orioles would be the only farm system that rivals ours.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of those guys are already up. You

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Speaker 1: can see that. So I don't know. I think again,

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Speaker 1: I trust Mookie, but there's got to be some sort

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Speaker 1: of long term plan at the shortstop position, because that

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Speaker 1: ain't it for the remainder of his contract. I think

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Speaker 1: Mooki's what thirty two thirty, I mean thirty something.

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Speaker 2: He's on the wrong side of thirty.

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Speaker 1: We'll say he's on the wrong I mean, I wish

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Speaker 1: I was on the wrong side of thirty. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get it. It'll be interesting to see. But we gotta,

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Speaker 1: you know, we gotta we gotta shore that up. We

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Speaker 1: gotta shore that up.

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Speaker 2: Hey, going back a little bit before we continue on this,

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Speaker 2: we did get a super chat from from Mike Lopez here.

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Speaker 2: Mike appreciate Actually he dropped two two dollars super chats.

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Speaker 2: One he did the second one because he misspelled he

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Speaker 2: said Mark Reynolds, and I looked up as like, I'm

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Speaker 2: pretty sure Mark Reynolds is very very retired, very retired.

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Speaker 1: But Brian, he met Brian, He met Brian.

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Speaker 2: But Brian Reynolds being of course, you know, recently signed

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Speaker 2: an extension with the Pirates, but was somebody the Dodgers

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Speaker 2: were interested in both just before that deal. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if that's a if that's a move they would consider,

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Speaker 2: the Pirates would continue trading a.

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Speaker 1: Start absolutely, if you want to unload payroll. I know

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Speaker 1: that they just signed you to an extension. I realize that,

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Speaker 1: but then you still get to keep schemes, You still

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Speaker 1: get to keep Jared Jones. Maybe maybe you do listen

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Speaker 1: to trading. Brian Reynolds, and I'm sure he has you know,

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Speaker 1: he gets to choose. I'm sure where he goes if

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Speaker 1: he'll you know, I don't know if he has a

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Speaker 1: no trade clause in his contract. But if you're going

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Speaker 1: from the Buckoes, and I know he said he wanted

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Speaker 1: to be there for the rest of his career. But

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Speaker 1: if you're going to the Buckos to the Dodgers and

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Speaker 1: you want a chance to win, why not. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that is that's a thought. If they don't sign I

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Speaker 1: would I would imagine Brian Reynolds is right handed. I

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Speaker 1: don't remember off.

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Speaker 2: The top of my head left handed.

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Speaker 1: He is left handed, all right, So I don't know

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Speaker 1: that that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, good talent. You find a way to

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Speaker 2: fit talent in any way you can. But I don't

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Speaker 2: know that that's where the Dodgers are at right now.

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Speaker 2: I think you need more of a focus on short,

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Speaker 2: on middle infield maybe rather than center field now. But

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Speaker 2: you know, if to the question, if they don't bring

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Speaker 2: back to Asker Hernandez two thousand percent, it should be

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Speaker 2: something that is in the realm of consideration. The Dodgers

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Speaker 2: need to explore all options and avenues and they kind

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Speaker 2: of already started that with the Michael Confordo signing, which

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, by the end of the year, we

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Speaker 2: will like it. I hope. I'm not going out on

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Speaker 2: a limb here. I'm not going to put myself out

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Speaker 2: on the strongest limb to say, like, I think we're

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Speaker 2: gonna love Confordo. But it's a good depth move. That's

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Speaker 2: what this team does. But so all the focus needs

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Speaker 2: to be on ta Oskar Her Nandez. We know he fits,

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Speaker 2: we know the bat plays in there. The clubhouse presence

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Speaker 2: is all the way there.

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Speaker 1: Well, you and I were both right. Dylan McKay said

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Speaker 1: he's a switch hitter and he's a dog. And speaking

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Speaker 1: of dogs, let's get to last lit.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, let me introduce you to beautiful Malibu.

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Speaker 1: Malibu is a beautiful girl that she's unbelievably sweet. She

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Speaker 1: is currently residing in Sherman Oaks, California, but unfortunately her

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Speaker 1: family wants to give her up because the owner is

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Speaker 1: a daughter that's going to college and she can't take her.

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Speaker 1: This is why you don't get a pup until you

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Speaker 1: can be dedicated to that pup for its entire life.

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Speaker 1: She is a love you guys. She's about one years old.

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Speaker 1: She gets along great with other dogs, she's great with kids.

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Speaker 1: She's very sweet. And we're trying to do everything in

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Speaker 1: our power to avoid this little girl going to a

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Speaker 1: shelter because I can tell you that if she goes

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Speaker 1: to a shelter in Los Angeles City County, any of it,

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Speaker 1: it's very unlikely she's going to make it out alive.

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Speaker 1: There is no such thing as a no kill shelter

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Speaker 1: in the La City in La County Shelter systems. So

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Speaker 1: if you could please share Malibu, I would greatly appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: She needs our help. Please reach out to me Alana

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Speaker 1: Rizzo at Alana at Gidreysguardian dot org and obviously on

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Speaker 1: the social stuff as well. All right, what's coming up

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Speaker 1: on your show?

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Speaker 2: Say make Malibu You're most wanted? Oh, I just listen

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Speaker 2: more of that. Those kind of jokes coming up tonight

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Speaker 2: on All Dodgers. Now, we'll be live at about six

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Speaker 2: talking more about all of the winter meetings and where

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Speaker 2: we think that the team is trending and liking and

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Speaker 2: disliking moves, and just having a little bit of fun

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Speaker 2: with the chat with the comments there on All Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: Before we do leave though a lot. I don't know

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Speaker 1: Right now, we have seven folks listening live. We had

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Speaker 2: Go Dodgers, Okay bye, Yeah