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Speaker 1: welcome to Patriot It's unfiltered. Good week for picks for

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Speaker 1: you guys. Oh yeah, yeah for you guys. Yeah not you.

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Speaker 1: I was fine, But I mean that, I mean the

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Speaker 1: book was right right when you would you rather the

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Speaker 1: Patriots sneaked through the playoffs and win the Super Bowl though, Yes,

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Speaker 1: but end up keeping Patricia as OC next year? Yes?

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Speaker 1: next Fie, I'll take the super bowlemy right, and his

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Speaker 1: number was lower than yours. Twelve point two. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: yours at twelve point seven, so we got half a

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Speaker 1: point one. No, he's saying, if you add I know

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Speaker 1: what he's saying. It's not hard, it's not brain surgery.

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Speaker 1: I understand what he's saying. They had one touchdown of one. Well,

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Speaker 1: what I'm glad I went to the car. Well, he

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Speaker 1: can't be the guy with the umbrella. Mike Stacey's from Seattle.

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Speaker 1: He frowns upon that. He really does. If Giardi was here,

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Speaker 1: he pitched a tent and he I'm sorry this is

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Speaker 1: Patriot's Unfiltered, fueled by Duncan. All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 1: It is the first of our off season. Unfortunately, our

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Speaker 1: first off season program of the twenty twenty three season

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Speaker 1: is of course, everyone knows Patriots season ended prematurely, right

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Speaker 1: on schedule. No, I mean that's a good question, Like,

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Speaker 1: of had them at eight nine, eight nine seven eight

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Speaker 1: now the off season process begins it. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, which we're gonna have people at the

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Speaker 1: combine the draft, free agency, and then internal probably before

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Speaker 1: I would think that would be reasonably quick. One of

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Speaker 1: Paul's guys, Greg Bdard, reported that the Craft, the Craft,

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Speaker 1: the Crafts and Belichick will have their meeting either last

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Speaker 1: night or today, So I would assume that, Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say it's interesting yesterday, like you

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Speaker 1: don't hear about it. Yeah, it's kind of like Dean

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Speaker 1: Brad Seeley got fired. Well you quit think? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he's, like I've seen him, you know, perform

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Speaker 1: flawlessly in those conditions. Like he's his release, his accuracy.

427
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Speaker 1: It's perfect for that type of system. And you just

428
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Speaker 1: don't have that kind of system. I know you'd have

429
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: to change, right, but if you bring you're gonna have

430
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: to do that too. Yeah, requires the most work, but

431
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 1: he also requires, you know, out of those options, the

432
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Speaker 1: highest upside, right. Yeah. I think that when you watch

433
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: this game against Buffalo, there's little things that come up

434
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Speaker 1: because he starts out he's thirteen for sixteen in the

435
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 1: first half, and he played well in the first half,

436
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Speaker 1: but then you start to look at Okay, what were

437
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Speaker 1: the throws that he actually made in the first half,

438
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Speaker 1: And a lot of it's off play action. It's a

439
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Speaker 1: lot of the things I used to say about Zappy

440
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 1: right where it's right, he's he's yes, he's distributing the

441
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Speaker 1: ball to the open guy, but there's open. These are

442
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Speaker 1: not high level throws, right, This is not Some of

443
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Speaker 1: the throws that he game made against Miami and Cincinnati

444
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 1: were higher level throws, and the throws that he made

445
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: in this game against Buffalo. But it's the little things

446
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Speaker 1: that come up, like on third down when he steps

447
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: through the pocket and he hits Hunter Henry over the

448
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: middle to convert. If that the ball just dives on him,

449
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: right if he if the ball hits Hunter in stride,

450
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: there's another fifteen yards to be had on that play.

451
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: But because mac Jones throws off balance, you know, with

452
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Speaker 1: his feet not set, he doesn't get it there on

453
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Speaker 1: a line and the ball ducks on him. It's stuff

454
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Speaker 1: like the first third down of the game, it's a

455
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: four man rush. They run a ten e on the

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Speaker 1: left hand side. It doesn't get picked up. I get that.

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Speaker 1: But DeVante Parker is on a shallow drag. He's open

458
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: and mac panics in the pocket. He runs around and

459
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: then he gets smoked by Greg Russo. And if you're

460
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Speaker 1: gonna be that type of quarterback, you're gonna be a

461
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: pocket passer. You need to beat pressure with your arm.

462
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Speaker 1: You can't. You're not You're not Lamar Jackson or Russell

463
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Speaker 1: Wilson or Josh Allen that can run out of pressure.

464
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Speaker 1: So the best way to beat pressure in that situation

465
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Speaker 1: was just to dump it off to DeVante Parker and

466
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Speaker 1: hope that DeVante Parker picks up the first down with

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Speaker 1: his legs. And he didn't give him the opportunity to

468
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Speaker 1: do that. And as a coach, I could see watching

469
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: that film and saying, well, if we get a quarterback

470
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Speaker 1: that keeps Hunter Henry on his feet instead of making

471
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: him go down to make this catch, this play doesn't

472
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Speaker 1: just gain eight yards, it gains twenty eight yards. And

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Speaker 1: if we get a quarterback that on third down doesn't

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Speaker 1: panic when the rush, you know, the pocket collapse, is

475
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Speaker 1: a little bit around him and hits the Vante Parker

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Speaker 1: on this shallow drag, then we don't go three and

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Speaker 1: out on the first drive of the game. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not necessarily saying that I agree with that as on

479
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Speaker 1: a hole. But I what I'm saying, what I said

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Speaker 1: at the beginning, is that I'm afraid that they're going

481
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Speaker 1: to see it that way because I can just I

482
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Speaker 1: just did talk myself into that, right, and so I

483
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Speaker 1: could see them seeing it that way. Now, my rebuttal

484
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Speaker 1: to that would be, for the first sixteen games of

485
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Speaker 1: the season, you ditch play action, You try to experiment

486
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Speaker 1: with outside zone all summer long. When you were a

487
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: gap running team, you did all of these things that

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Speaker 1: made no sense whatsoever. You are do you in the

489
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: league in play action rate? Last year? You were tenth?

490
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: Why why did we change that best interest of the team? Ever?

491
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Speaker 1: And then in Week eighteen they start to dial up

492
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Speaker 1: some play action and he goes nine for nine for

493
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Speaker 1: ninety five yards off of play action, And I'm sitting

494
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: there saying, where was this all year? Like? Why aren't

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Speaker 1: we why haven't we been doing this all year? Right?

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Speaker 1: I just can't. I'm going back to a point that

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Speaker 1: I made in the postgame show, which I brought up

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Speaker 1: Trent Edwards. I brought up Buffalo in two thousand and

499
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Speaker 1: nine or whatever, asking themselves, as Trent Edwards, the answer

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Speaker 1: and it's like, does it really matter when you've got

501
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: a Tom Brady or a Josh Allen in the division?

502
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Speaker 1: And at what point do you say, what are we

503
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Speaker 1: trying to do here? Are we legitimately trying to challenge

504
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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen over the next decade

505
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Speaker 1: or are we just trying to put together an okay

506
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Speaker 1: team that can maybe squeak into the playoffs. And so

507
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Speaker 1: it's like to some of these points that Evan's making,

508
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Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe you do just say screw it? Like, like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what would your advice be to the Bills

510
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: at the two thousands, Like, you're not beating the Patriots.

511
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Speaker 1: You're not going to beat the Patriots until twenty eighteen,

512
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, That's when you'll be competitive. Would they have

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Speaker 1: still continued that of all right, try trying to wait,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's try this other guy, you know, like

515
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Speaker 1: because do you do that? So? Like should you be affected?

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Speaker 1: Like and say, well, my guy's okay, but he can't

517
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Speaker 1: compete with that, yeah, and he's in my division, So

518
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: I need to try to get better. Like, as to

519
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Speaker 1: use Evans phrase that, I really like, you know, do

520
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Speaker 1: you do you go big do you do? You swing

521
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Speaker 1: for the fences and try to get something that can

522
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Speaker 1: compete with jas. I also don't think it has to

523
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Speaker 1: necessarily just be a quarterback, like I know it fell

524
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Speaker 1: apart from Miami, but they swing big by training for

525
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill and it makes their offense exponentially better. And

526
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Speaker 1: they played better against Buffalo than you did this year.

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Speaker 1: And it's been it's pretty apparent that when Tua is healthy,

528
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Speaker 1: and I know that's a big function, they can compete

529
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Speaker 1: with all those teams, right, you know, it's interesting while

530
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Speaker 1: Brady was here, you know, I'm talking about the Jets,

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Speaker 1: Buffalo in Miami, they really never got or one big

532
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Speaker 1: for a quarterback. They tried to draft quarterbacks, but Miami

533
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: trying to get Breeze I think at one point was

534
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: maybe one of the only but they didn't get them obviously,

535
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Speaker 1: but they failed is what they did. They I mean,

536
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: they all they often swung, but they never got the

537
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: right guy. Like they they went first round picks, you know,

538
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Speaker 1: multiple years with guys that just weren't good enough, like

539
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: JP Lastman, EJ Manuel you know in Buffalo, right, you know,

540
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: just as I mean, they were first round picks, but

541
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Speaker 1: they weren't good enough. Yeah, they were Mac Jones and

542
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: they were all what a couple of years and out.

543
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean, how many of those guys saw the end

544
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Speaker 1: of their contract as a starter. I mean any of them,

545
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Speaker 1: I don't think, you know, yeah, no, that like they

546
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: just weren't good enough. And you know, for the most part,

547
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Speaker 1: Miami had an endless circle of Joey Harrington, j Fieler,

548
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: all right, Gus far Rod. You know, I think they

549
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: even had Trent Green at the end of his career,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean the closest they tried, like, you know,

551
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: the Jets came the closest. I would say, like there

552
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: was that one period with Rex Ryan where Sanchez, But

553
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: again that's a swing, right, you had Pennyton as a

554
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: first round pick early with herm Edwards and then you

555
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: had Sanchez was like the sixth. I just don't think

556
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Speaker 1: the Jets you would be right right now, right, great defense,

557
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: everything else, everything else is in place. I can I

558
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: can win but eleven or twelve games, But can I

559
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: get where I want? Yeah? The difference being that the

560
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: Jets occasionally gave Brady trouble and the Patriots defense has

561
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: yet to prove that they can really do that to

562
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen ever, right, but that's a cyborg. So yeah,

563
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean, but I just wonder if you a point,

564
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: you know, like, do you pull the plug on a

565
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: guy you think is okay just because I know it's

566
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: it's bad? I think the answer. Yeah. I think Brady

567
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: in the Patriots forced these are the three teams into

568
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: making bad decisions over the last twenty years because of

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Speaker 1: the I do think it was panicking, but I'm not

570
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: sure they were bad decisions. That's that's a great thing, Fred,

571
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: you just said, And that's exactly how I used to

572
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Speaker 1: look at it. I looked at these teams as giving

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Speaker 1: up on coaches and quarterbacks and that they should have

574
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Speaker 1: stayed the course. And now that I'm on the flip

575
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: side of it, it's like, well, are we just going

576
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Speaker 1: to be hoping that maybe we squeak into that seventh

577
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: or sixth wildcard spot until Josh Allen decides to retire?

578
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: Like there's just part of me that doesn't think that

579
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: that that that's good enough, and that you'd rather I'd

580
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 1: rather spend the next ten years swinging for the fences

581
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: as much as possible every single position than just kind

582
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: of all right, well we got an okay quarterback and

583
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: he's okay, and we'll just trying to build it. And see,

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00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: I can make the argument either way. Duce, like you know,

585
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: constantly swinging for the fences. You could argue is making

586
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: bad decisions, is feeling this sense of complete urgency and panic,

587
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: like I gotta do something right? Oh my god, are

588
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: we gonna win? Now? You're gonna win now? You know?

589
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: But I think you do have to be alternative. Is

590
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: you resign yourself to the fact that you can't win,

591
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: or you or you resigned to the fact that I'm

592
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: gonna build and we're gonna stick and hope that the

593
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: guy is not going to be around for twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: I just I think you have to. I come back

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Speaker 1: to the coach is seventy one years old, so well

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Speaker 1: how much realistically and the way that it's looked a lot.

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00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: I always saw the COVID year out, so I would say,

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00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: the way it's looked a last two years realistically, where

599
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: are we at with his timeline? Because once he passes Shula,

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00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: is he done? I think that's sort of where we're headed.

601
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Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then you have a two

602
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: year window with Bill Belichick to compete for another Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, I'm convinced that he thinks that

604
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: Mac can't do it for him. So if he can't

605
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: do it for him, then then you need to find

606
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: that instant upgrade. I think that, but I think that's inarguable.

607
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: But Bill thinks that he can't do it with that guy,

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00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: it's you move on. But you bring up a good point,

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Speaker 1: you know, because I don't even think about the seventy

610
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Speaker 1: one like to me because I'm old too, so I

611
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,239
Speaker 1: don't want to like think about, you know, getting too

612
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: old for your job. But you would never yeah, yeah,

613
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: but but and then you bring up the Shula record,

614
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: right if if if that is important to him, then

615
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: he does want to win now he doesn't want to

616
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: like go on this rebuilding thing, and so you know,

617
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Speaker 1: then he would be on board till it's winking big. Right.

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Speaker 1: And let's say, for arguments, say he doesn't care about

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Speaker 1: the Sholay. I don't think he does. Okay, I think

620
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: I think that's the only thing he cares about. But

621
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Speaker 1: that's not even like not even worth arguing because who knows. Yeah,

622
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: but I mean, but it gets the motivation. But the

623
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Speaker 1: flip side of it is, what are you expecting out

624
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: of a seventy one year old coach eight more years?

625
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: He's going to coach two or three more years. Yeah,

626
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna get, right. But but again, if

627
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: that's true and the Shula record means a lot to him,

628
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna want to make a big move. Yeah. And

629
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Speaker 1: this goes back to the spending thing for me. Yeah,

630
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: because so they're twenty seventh and spending, and I think

631
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: people are like, well, why are they always still up

632
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: against the cap? So teams that want to spend, they

633
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: manipulate the cap right by roster, you know, salary conversion,

634
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: like they did at the end of the Bradio Right.

635
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: So a team like New Orleans for example, was way

636
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: over the cap. But Loomis shelled out the money, right,

637
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: the owners shelled out the money to get them under

638
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: the cap so that they could continue to build the roster.

639
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: So I think he looks at it and he says,

640
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: if we had more real cash spending on the roster,

641
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: that I could go for broke in the last couple

642
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: of years of my career. And that's why I think

643
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: he brought it up. I don't think that he brought

644
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: it up to necessarily take this huge shot at mister Kraft.

645
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I think he brought it up to say,

646
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm seventy one years old. We are not very good

647
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: football team, and the only way that I see us

648
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: getting out of this is if we throw everything at

649
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: it that we possibly have, and that includes not just

650
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: cap dollars but real cash spending. But you know what

651
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: about the only way you really get out of it

652
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: is the draft that you have to draft. I think

653
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: from Robert perspective, right, I think from Robert's perspective, that's

654
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: exactly what it is, and that's why they don't spend

655
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: to the top of the league because he believes in

656
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: building through the draft. But you have a seventy one

657
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: year old coach would also argue that those kinds of

658
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: cute phrases always work when you have high end talent,

659
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: and they don't, like if mac Jones was the next

660
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, then you could be content to continue to

661
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: build through the draft. Right Yeah, But I think Bill,

662
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: to Evan's point, has serious reservations not about him being Brady,

663
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: but about him being good enough to get me deep

664
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: into the playoffs period. Now, again, that doesn't mean like

665
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: I think Evan mapped it out perfectly, Like, it doesn't

666
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: mean Bill's right. But I think if you look, you know,

667
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: we always say, don't listen to really what he says,

668
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: look what he does, Like, if you just sort of

669
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: watch what's going on, I think it's pretty clear that

670
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: he's not sold. I don't think anybody is. Yeah, well,

671
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: if you called the game for sixteen weeks, Sarah have

672
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: thirteen weeks that MAC was held, if you called the

673
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: game like they did it on Sunday, they'd be in

674
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: the playoffs. And I get that they called the game

675
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: and some of those instances because their back was against

676
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: the wall because they had to win the game, But

677
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: so I will they would have been in the playoffs. Yeah,

678
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, you know, we haven't really you know,

679
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: it's Tuesday's show. We haven't really even talked about the game.

680
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: I do think there's an element of, you know, where

681
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily disagree with Bill, because I think early

682
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: in the year one of the things he kept fixating

683
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: on it And how many times during the course of

684
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: the middle portion did he reference the turnovers? Right? So yeah,

685
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: I can call the game like that, and we're going

686
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: to have to live with the fact that he might turn.

687
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: I would argue that I would rather have the mac

688
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: Jones that played Sunday than the mac Jones that played

689
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: the vast majority of the other thirteen games he played.

690
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: I agree with Evan. But the fact of the matter

691
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: is is it was three touchdowns and three interceptions again,

692
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: and two of the interceptions were a result of sort

693
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: of situational play. The one to Hunter Henry is a

694
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: throw he can't make. Mike, you and I have seen

695
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: that throw four thousand times the two years that we've

696
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: been watching training camp. Right, He's completed at like three

697
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: when it's been covered. Now sometimes his coverage breakdowns and

698
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: there's no one on him. Yeah, but he can't get

699
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: that ball into that window. And the the the last

700
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: one to Damian Harris, when they're sort of scrambling desperately,

701
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: trying one last, you know, chance to see if we

702
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: can get within the score. He gets some pressure and

703
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: the throws terrible and it results in a deflected pick.

704
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: And you might look at it say, well, it was

705
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: a deflected past. Doesn't It's not. No, it's a bad throw.

706
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, like he can't come from behind him.

707
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: He does have trouble going down the middle. But like

708
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: that passed to Henry, it was it was just high

709
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: and it exactly because so it's a bad throw. That

710
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: what the fancy term for this is that he can't

711
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: throw off off platform right. So if he can't step

712
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: into the throw and really put his whole body behind

713
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: a throw like the one to Hunter Henry in the

714
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: end zone, he doesn't have the velocity to hit it

715
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: the window. So that why it's high, right, So he

716
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: gets low, it gets picked off by a linebacker. So

717
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: if he makes that, he made a very similar throw

718
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: against Cincinnati to Kendrick Bourne up the seam and against

719
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: two man and he throws it right over the head

720
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: of the linebacker in between the safeties clean pocket. He's

721
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: got a whole clean pocket to go ahead and step

722
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: into the throw. Now, when he tries to make that

723
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: throw to Hunter Henry on Sunday and there's people at

724
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: his feet and he can't step into the throw, he

725
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: doesn't have the velocity to throw it on the line

726
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: and get it into that win. The same kind of

727
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: throw that he made in Las Vegas in the preseason

728
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: where he kind of rolled a little to his right,

729
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: kind of look back to the left. No, no, no,

730
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: to use evans turn a little off platform. Armstrength just

731
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: isn't there. And I think that's what Bill might be

732
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: looking at. I think that Bill might just look at

733
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: it from a pure physical skill set. I don't think

734
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: that he and I've been saying this since day one.

735
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: What you see, I think is about what you're going

736
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: to get for him, because I don't think he has

737
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: a tool bag to fall back on. Justin Fields has

738
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: the ability. I don't know if it'll ever happened, but

739
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: he has the ability to learn how to you know,

740
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: be more sophisticated in the passing game, because that's something

741
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: you can learn, right. Yeah, I don't think that there's

742
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: a lot that mac Jones still needs to learn. I

743
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: think he is extremely smart and I don't know what

744
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: he has to fall back on. I think the sample

745
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: size too. And when you consider how many practices training

746
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: camp practices we've watched, like you would think at some

747
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: point you know that you would see some of those glimmers,

748
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: but I have not. But I it mean it'd be

749
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: great to hear Bill like sit down with us plugs

750
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: and him open up, like, you know, what if Bill

751
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: was the Brian Belichick version of giving you a compliment.

752
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: You know, Evan got a nice compliment from Brian Belichick

753
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: in the locker room. I say, what if Bill said,

754
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: you know, Evan, that's a really good point. I really

755
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: don't believe in Mac Jones. I just the part that

756
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: frustrates me. And because I know that everybody's gonna say,

757
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: I haven't he did a one eighty on Mac, I'm

758
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: just trying to tell you what I think. Bill is like,

759
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't think you've done. I think you're telling us

760
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: what you think they have. And I the part that's

761
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: frustrating to me is that all of the little things

762
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: that they did from a play calling standpointer, just a

763
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: coordination standpoint in this game are all things that I've

764
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: been banging the table for them to do all year.

765
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: Luck right, they finally start to call some play action

766
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: on the touchdown to DeVante Parker the first touchdown, they

767
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: use that little motion with Marcus Jones to draw the coverage.

768
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: He doesn't even throw the ball to Marcus Jones, but

769
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: he looks at him and he holds the coverage that

770
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: direction just a little bit and that frees up the

771
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: crosser to DeVante Parker in the end zone. It was

772
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: a really good quarterbacking play. He used his eyes to

773
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: completely fool the entire defense was in a blender. All

774
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: it took was Marcus Jones running a little motion what's

775
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: called a boomerang motion when he comes in and then

776
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: goes back right out to the same side. All it took,

777
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: That's all it took, was a little bit of motion.

778
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: They they just called the game completely differently then they

779
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: had called pass games for MAC And now all of

780
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: a sudden, it looks better. And if that game had

781
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: happened against the Bills in week thirteen, we could have said, Okay,

782
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: let's play like that the rest of the year. Hopefully

783
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: we clean up some of the turnovers and make some

784
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: better decisions with the ball. But that was the best

785
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: the offense had looked all year. I get a question

786
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: for you. I mean, the big question is like, why

787
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: why in this game? Because it just it feels like,

788
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: and correct me if I'm wrong, but it just feels

789
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: like they kind of go from one thing to another

790
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: and there doesn't really feel like a whole sense of

791
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: purpose behind what they're doing in each game. It just

792
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: kind of and this week we did a couple of

793
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: our pos and that week we worked in the play. Actually,

794
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: like it doesn't really seem like it's focused on why,

795
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: like why against Buffalo? Was it? Are they opening things

796
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: up a little bit? As we talked about kind of

797
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: in the lead up to the game, like just let

798
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: them sling it? I mean, I think three touchdowns, three

799
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: interception might tell you that story, But is that what

800
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: I think? There was definitely an element of that where

801
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: they just wanted they had to go down swinging, and

802
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: they knew that in order to compete with Buffalo on

803
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: the scoreboard, they were gonna have to open up the

804
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: passing game a little bit. And I think the other

805
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: element of it is I think that they recognize some

806
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: of the things that they were good at later on

807
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: in the year. It is just a little bit too late,

808
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: And that's why I think that they're gonna look at

809
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: it and say, we got better, right, we coached it

810
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: better later in the year. Like they had a decent

811
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: game offensively, wasn't great offensively, certainly against Miami, but they

812
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: had the flashes against Miami, and then they scored three

813
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: touchdowns against the Bills and that's the way that I

814
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: feel that they're gonna see it. I just I don't know.

815
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how you throw out the first sixteen

816
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: games like that and just look at this last game.

817
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: But looking at this last game, that was how I

818
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: wanted them to play offense all year. And I get

819
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: that the turnovers happened, and I think that some of it.

820
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: You know, look the Hunter Henry throws third and twenty

821
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: from the you know, the twenty two yard line or

822
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: something like that, and he's just trying to make a

823
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: play and it wasn't a throw that he can make,

824
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: and we all know that and all that type of stuff,

825
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: So you learn from it. The Nelson Agilore interception another

826
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: bad decision. Did Aglare just stop or did he run

827
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: into White and got suffrocated? He was in a straight jacket,

828
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: mister Davious White. It's a much better player than he is.

829
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: And Mac threw it. Anyways, Uh, the Damien Harris won,

830
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're down, and you're you're trying to

831
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: make something happen, right, And that's like the point that

832
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: I was going to try to make about that whole

833
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: thing real quick is I think you can make an

834
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: argument that his two best games were Baltimore in this one,

835
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: and they both involved three interceptions and screaming. You know,

836
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: because he did make a lot of throws. I remember

837
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: back to that Buffalo game. Some of those throws to

838
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: Parker on the sideline fantastic throws. Yeah, I think the

839
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: Baltimore game, I don't think he can do that consistently.

840
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: If you if you ask him to do more than

841
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: the short stuff screen game and have him throw it

842
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: down field, I think you're running the risk. And I

843
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: think that's what they decided as a coaching staff after

844
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: he got hurt, was as long as we can get

845
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: him to protect the ball, we will always have a

846
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: chance to win the game. If he turns it over,

847
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: we'll have no chance. And I think that's what they decided,

848
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: and that's where the offense went. So, I mean, of

849
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: everything that that that didn't improve, that's one thing that

850
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: they did figure out until the end when it was

851
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: on the line, but right, and I think it was

852
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: my design. I think the plays also largely went away.

853
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: That's It's a good uh forty five minute therapy session there. Yeah,

854
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: So you know, let's talk about the game a little bit.

855
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: You know, we knew coming in that it was going

856
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: to be an emotional affair, and it certainly was. And

857
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: then the first play of the game they run it back.

858
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: That was my question for you guys that were in

859
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: the stadium, Like, I can't imagine what that place was

860
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: like when I mean, it was like something out of

861
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: a Disney movie that you know, it really was. It

862
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: was right out of a Disney movie. And the place

863
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: was going nuts. And I gotta give the Patriots credit

864
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: for like, you know, um, you know, you know, grace

865
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: under a grace under pressure, you know, shed and know,

866
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, like the poise they showed poise, especially like

867
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: the three and out you come out, I mean you

868
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: give up that you go three and out. I mean

869
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: right there, you're up against it. You're staring down the

870
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: barrel of this Josh out fourteen nothing right there, right,

871
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, to get a stop there, and you know,

872
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: and then for the offense to respond. I mean it

873
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: was I I was saying the word way, I was

874
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: worrying it when I was writing it was like, was

875
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: it one of their best efforts of the season. I

876
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: think it was one of their better efforts of the season.

877
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: But I think the fight that they showed, you know,

878
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: not just not just in the game but to the season.

879
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: Three touchdowns, yeah, I haven't had. They haven't had very

880
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: many games with three offensive touchdowns. I know that's an

881
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: average game for everybody else twenty points, but for them,

882
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: that's an explosion and usually always score too and maybe

883
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: one forcing the Bills to punt, like especially in the

884
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: first half. Times in the first half was like that

885
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: they forced three punts, and the Thursday night game, so

886
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean, like the no punts is an anomalous okay

887
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: against the Bill so early in the game, I was

888
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: as pretty s The Devin the mccordy interception in the

889
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: red zone was a big play by the defense. That

890
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: was the one play where I said, okay that because

891
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: he does turn it over in the red zone a lot,

892
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: and if you're gonna beat him, you need to force

893
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: some turnovers. And they got that big one right before

894
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: the half, and I was encouraged by that good pass

895
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: rush man coverage, one of the few reps they played

896
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: in straight up man coverage, and they were able to

897
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: force the turnover. The one the John Brown touchdown bugged

898
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: me a lot watching it again, because that's not the

899
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: throw to Diggs was stupid. Okay, like, there's like three

900
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league that can make that throw. The

901
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: one to John Brown, they just had poor awareness in zone.

902
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: They ran crossers from one side to the formation the other.

903
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: They kind of, you know, criss crossed them or over

904
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, and just nobody picked up

905
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: John Brown coming across the field on the other side.

906
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: Devin mccordy and Miles Bryant or just didn't have their

907
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: eyes in the right places on those that play. PFF

908
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: put it on on Devin. I think he could say

909
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: that both of them were kind of ad fault for it,

910
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: and that was just poor awareness in zone coverage and

911
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: more of a coverage bust than I would say a

912
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: fantastic individual play. But the Dig's touchdown was well, that's

913
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: why I told him after the game, it was stupid.

914
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw this out there at the risk

915
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: of Evan yelling, but but it could it could happen.

916
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: But I also, um, I was really disappointed with uch

917
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: on the John Brown touchdown. Yes, that's that's one of

918
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: the players. And after further review that I highlighted I'm

919
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: not having a big day. I'm not getting out. I

920
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: thought the pass rush, and Mike and I talked about

921
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: this in the post game. I thought the past rush.

922
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: It didn't like hound and harassed josh Allen all day.

923
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: But I thought they did a good job of not

924
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: allowing him to sort of script through holes and find

925
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: gaps occasional. You know it's going to happen sometimes, right, Um,

926
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: But on that play, I think they completely set josh

927
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: U j up. I think that was intentional. I don't

928
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: know for sure, I don't have the playbook, but I

929
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: think that that was designed to allow him to crash down,

930
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: to entice him to crash down with the idea of

931
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna roll here, get around him, because he's gonna

932
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: take himself right out of the play. The tight end

933
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: easily sealed him off once he crashed down, and he

934
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: had all day to make that throw. And again, other

935
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 1: teams have guys that are talented enough to make throws,

936
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: so like you have to cover the whole field, like

937
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: your whole that easy that throw was. It was a

938
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: good play, don't get me wrong, But like to your

939
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: point about UJ, the you gotta keep outside contained there

940
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: and push him into the sideline and make him decide

941
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do. Make him make that throw under

942
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: to arrest, Like at least let the one on the

943
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: Thursday night game when he's on the sideline and mac

944
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: Wilson's hanging on him, he's got to make a tough play. Yeah,

945
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: this was just like I'm gonna go out by time

946
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: for my guy to get all day. He had all

947
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: day and he's making the throw. So the only option

948
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: that you have on that play is if you're gonna

949
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: let Uj pin his ears back, because that's what they did.

950
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: He had six hurries in the game. They were just

951
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: trying to let him get after the court back. If

952
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna let Uj pin his ears back, then somebody

953
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: has to make them right. So Daniel Quality is on

954
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: that side of the line of scrimmage with josh Uja,

955
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: and when Jay jumps inside of the tight end, then

956
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: Equality has got to jump outside the tight end and

957
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: correct them right and close off the edge. And Equality

958
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: just kind of stood there and didn't do that. So

959
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: Jay might have just done that on his own right,

960
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: which which I think is part of the problem on

961
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: that play. And yeah, if you don't pin them into

962
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: the sideline and you don't make them throw the ball

963
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: either under the rest or make them throw it away

964
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: or make a decision. They did this great. Every time

965
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: they play Zack Wilson, they do a great job of

966
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: this because they know that the bootlegs are what he

967
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: wants to do to get outside and make throws down

968
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: the field. In this game, they try to do it

969
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: a couple of times. That shotgun roll out, like I

970
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: don't even know. It's not a bootleg, it's more like

971
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: a shotgun rollout. And they did it a couple of

972
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: times to try to catch the Patriots doing exactly what

973
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 1: Uja did on that play, and it burned them. Finally

974
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: they did. They covered it well for most of the

975
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: game until that play. Uh, you know, speaking of outside

976
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: contained on the first return, the kickoff return, all the

977
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: coveragers in the middle of the field, like no one

978
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: had the outside lanes, you know, and like they teach

979
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: you in high school, you know, stay in your lane

980
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: when you're playing, you know, on the special teams, and no,

981
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: like everybody was bunched up in the middle. The whole

982
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: outside was open. I mean two of them, they gave

983
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: up two of them, I like, and that's I think

984
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: why everyone I mean poor. I don't want to say poor,

985
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: but cam A courts getting at both barrels, you know.

986
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: But again, like to the point and nobody gets fired.

987
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: It just feels like you've been you've been put up

988
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: for reassignment. Like he's gonna end up like assistant cornerbacks

989
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: coach next year, you know. Like it just feels like

990
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna shuffle at best. There's not gonna be any

991
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: like but do you think that, Like, listen, I'm not

992
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: a big fan. I'm not a jerk. Okay, I'm not

993
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: a big fan of calling for people's firings, but this

994
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: is big boy business. If I performed like that for

995
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: two years, I would you'd fire me, Yeah you would. Yeah, yeah,

996
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: it's going down. I feel like, just where's the accountability? Like,

997
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: I like, it's it's like Bill for would, for instance,

998
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: be like, oh, it's my fault, like I'm the one

999
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: doing this, I'm the one doing that. But yeah, no,

1000
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: you're not like like you wouldn't make me like assistant

1001
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: to somebody else. You would say you're not you're not

1002
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: doing the job. You gotta go. Yeah, it's it's just

1003
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: an odd season because you know it's still Bill's team.

1004
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: I still I don't believe that Bill has stepped back

1005
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: and let coaches do more than they usually do. And

1006
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: we know from watching just training camp practice that even

1007
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: when it's special team's portion of the practice, Bill's out

1008
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: there watching special te the amount of time someone has

1009
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: run back. And I know, I know, it's so weird,

1010
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: it's like so like, has Bill lost his edge? Is

1011
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: he spending? Patriots? You know, dead last? And DVOA and

1012
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: special teams? The Patriots I know are dead last. It's

1013
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: never been the case. And I'll be special team spending

1014
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: right exactly. And here's the thing. You know, Cam Accords young,

1015
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: Steve's young, Brian's young, you know, Billy Yates is young.

1016
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: They might all know football and coaching, but are they

1017
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: good teachers? You know who's teaching? You know, you know

1018
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: when Ivan was here and Dante was here and you

1019
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: had older coaches that teach the game. You know, coaching

1020
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: is teaching. It's not just knowing the xs ands no,

1021
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: no disrespect, Evan, but it's knowing how to teach the

1022
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: X knows and the fundamentals and technique so that the

1023
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: guys understand what you're saying. And Bill is a great teacher.

1024
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: You know, I go back to lawyer Maloya in ninety

1025
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: six saying, the guy's a genius. He makes it easy

1026
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: for us, He makes it easy to understand. That's teaching.

1027
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: You know, smart people use simple language. You know, smart

1028
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: people use simple language. They don't, you know, they don't

1029
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: use fancy language. Yeah, gasper so, but is like okay,

1030
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: even if they are teaching it great, I'm sorry the

1031
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: punting has been terrible. What I'm saying, I don't know

1032
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: if skill, but but I don't know if they are

1033
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: teaching it. That's what I mean, like, you know, like,

1034
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: well teach it because the issues. Look, the punting hasn't

1035
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: been good, but you can't just go out and and

1036
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: and get you know, who's the gray guy? Like he

1037
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like they just don't grow on trees. So

1038
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: or they're not just all of I shouldn't say that

1039
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: they're just not just all available, right, Like they're not

1040
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: just all available when when a guy probably I don't

1041
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: when a guy punts thirty six yards on a line drive,

1042
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: your coverage isn't going to be there, right, But I

1043
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: don't want to be there. But I'm not blaming like

1044
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: cam Accord for the actual specialists. Yeah, like that's a

1045
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: skill that needs to be done. But running into the kicker, right,

1046
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: I'm talking about running into the kicker. I'm talking about,

1047
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, not the proper personnel in the field allowing kickoff.

1048
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: Three kickoff reacher, it was only six all year we

1049
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: had the entire league. Three of them against the Patriots

1050
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: and the third of them were in one game against

1051
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: the Patriots. But it's undisciplined, right, Like because to your

1052
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: point about the opening kickoff, everybody comes into the middle

1053
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: of the field, So why are we not in our rushians,

1054
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: Why are we running into punters when we're trying to

1055
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: block a punt? Like, that's discipline, and that's teaching, that's coaching,

1056
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: that's and that type of and that is a bigger

1057
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: issue than special teams. To me, that was an issue

1058
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: for the whole team this year with discipline, with pre

1059
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: snap penalties, I mean everything. So it's like it's as

1060
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: much as I want to kill, it's that was them.

1061
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: So then we get back to the conversation that they're

1062
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: going to have and Bill says, you've seen the coaches

1063
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: leave here. Yeah, I've got a young staff you know

1064
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: that needs to get better, but we also had a

1065
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: brain drain. Yeah you know, oh man, I can't have

1066
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: it with camera chord and I like cama chord and

1067
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: I hate like doing that. Yeah, I bought a big fan.

1068
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't like calling from people's jobs,

1069
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: but I can't because it's two years. I don't understand

1070
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: the media, like on Black Monday, like you know, just

1071
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: the breathless you know this, you know, like the anticipation

1072
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: of people getting fired and like almost like it's a

1073
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: blood sport. Well it's not right. It's not like they're

1074
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: rooting for it. It seems that was there, but they're

1075
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: rooting for the news. I wouldn't say rooting for the news,

1076
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: but I can make fun of the media like anybody

1077
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: that I don't think. I just think that's just too

1078
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: much glee in people getting fired. I wouldn't say rooting

1079
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: for the news. I would just say more so like okay,

1080
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: like it needs to happen. Rip the band aid off,

1081
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: like it needs to happen. There's no sugarcoating how bad

1082
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: things were. Give us things to write about. I know,

1083
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: what's the example of glee. I don't absolutely think about

1084
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: Kingsbury got fired. Yeah, so like, what's the Glee? What

1085
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: likes coming? Everybody just tweeted it out, like where's the Glee? Exactly?

1086
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: I said I wanted them to come here. I was

1087
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: happy about it with a lot of people. Did you

1088
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: put a Glee emoji on? But but you know, we

1089
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: talked about that offensive coordinate got you gotta take it

1090
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: if you if you bring in an established mind, whether

1091
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: it's offense or defense, that person is going to want

1092
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: to come in and do it his way, right, Is

1093
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: billun Is that okay with Bill? Is that? Is it

1094
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: okay to get an established offensive coordinator and just say, okay,

1095
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: the offense is yours? It's Bill gonna do that? No,

1096
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: But I think like I but I mean I I

1097
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: I there's something alike about the idea of taking an

1098
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: innovative mind and putting it through the Belichick machine and

1099
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: you know, coming together and establishing something new. And you know,

1100
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: maybe it's a way that Bill hadn't thought about something

1101
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: in past, like I can get excited about not necessarily Oh,

1102
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: someone's going to come in and be like I'm on

1103
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: the offense. Everyone I get away from me. I'm doing it.

1104
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: Whereas you know, I still think that Bill has a

1105
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: lot to offer. You know, anybody who comes in here

1106
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: as a coach, and you know, I think that that's

1107
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: that's something we should be taking as much advantage of

1108
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: while he's still here as you can is getting you know,

1109
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: those elements in play. So a guy like Kingsbury, he's

1110
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: owed money right at perfect another reason why it works?

1111
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: No perfect? So did he fails? Like I don't know

1112
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: the rules, but like if he comes to a team

1113
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: as an OC, do the Cardinals have to keep paying he, Well,

1114
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: they probably would have offset language. They probably wouldn't call

1115
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: him the OC. No, just like just like Patricia and

1116
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: Judge if but there has to be protections again that

1117
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: like if you're the other team, like and then you'll

1118
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: get mad when they call it the Patriots rule, Bret

1119
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: b Limit. Did he get like sued for this con situation? Well,

1120
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: these firings are buyouts, right, I mean they have to

1121
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: buy out him, buy out the rest of his contracts.

1122
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: So even if he's not getting paid like a weekly

1123
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: salary by the Arizona Cardinals, they're going to have to

1124
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: cut him a fat check at some point and say,

1125
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: but it won't be as big of a fat check

1126
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: if he's making say like two million a year to

1127
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: be the Patriots offer coordinator, right, do you know what

1128
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: I mean? Yep? Do you think that's why they won't

1129
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: call him the offensive coordinator and to be making like

1130
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: fifty cents an hour? I mean, do you think that

1131
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: there is a person with the title offensive coordinator for

1132
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots in twenty twenty three? Yes, And

1133
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: that's one of the things I want Robert Kraft to

1134
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: put his fat I need to know the identity of

1135
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: the person. Yeah, if it's Bill O'Brien, right, then yes,

1136
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: But but I mean if it's not somebody, they just

1137
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: don't see the purpose in hiding it, Like, what's the

1138
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: big deal? Who cares? Well, it's just like, for example,

1139
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: Gerard Mayo, Okay, he's not the defensive coordinator, so now

1140
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: he can go interview for DC job and it's considered

1141
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, a promotion. Yeah, and upward and upward higher,

1142
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: which is this is kind of the the back door

1143
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: to this whole system of Yeah, nobody has titles, we

1144
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: don't have to pay them. But also there's nothing preventing

1145
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: them from leaving for those jobs. Even though technically you

1146
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: can make an argument it's a lateral move. Yeah, but

1147
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: technically on paper it's not a law, right because he's

1148
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: only a linebackers coach, right yep. And then once they

1149
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: get they get draft picked for that right. If a

1150
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: minority coordinator, Oh right, I think you get Think now

1151
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: with the new rules, I think you end up getting

1152
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: like a third round. And then if he leaves, does

1153
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 1: does Steve Belichick then take the title? Does he now?

1154
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: Is he now the defensive coordinator? That's an interesting one

1155
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: to me because it feels like, of course, like in

1156
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: any other situation if this was I mean, I know

1157
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: no other situation is like this with two guys doing

1158
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: it like this, but it would just seem like it

1159
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: solves part of the problem. Steve's been calling the plays.

1160
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: We're beyond who's calling the plumber that like to who's

1161
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: calling the plays? We know it, Patricia, you know, I

1162
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: actually don't don't laugh. It could happen, which which I

1163
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: mean is a whole other discussion about philosophically, like I

1164
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 1: think Steve is more of the Flores, aggressive and and

1165
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: you know Patricia was always the ben don't break. Just

1166
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: some Patricia sprinkles on defense, so such as soft zone,

1167
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: saw zone dropping Matthew dream down right, which is can

1168
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: I can I make one little play? This is nothing

1169
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: really to doing anything, just a statistical anomaly that kind

1170
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: of just messed with my brain a little bit. Um.

1171
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: They had a ton of sacks this year where they

1172
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: third I think in the sacks fifty two sacks, Yet

1173
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: they're like twenty first in the league on third down.

1174
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 1: I just thought that was a weird kind of like

1175
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: you've got a super high amount of sacks. You would

1176
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: think usually third down you're coming for the quarterback. Just not.

1177
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: I'd like to know, Like I don't know if there's

1178
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: a stat but like what our third downs look like

1179
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: on defense versus other teams, Like what's our average third

1180
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: down yard? It's just a third and short that would

1181
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: minimize your effective You always have to have a call

1182
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: because if you're in third and long a lot, your

1183
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: sacks should be high. Yeah, they do have fifty three sacks.

1184
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: Is that's a high. That's a high total, especially for

1185
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: the Patriots. But hey, just you'd think that they would

1186
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: be I mean the top, but I mean football side.

1187
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: I gotta look at it. But they ranked them by

1188
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: like how are they in third and short? How are

1189
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: they in third medium, how are they in third and long?

1190
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: So they do break it down a little bit va

1191
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: and it's also their season third down percentage defensively is

1192
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: pretty good. But I agree with you guys, this is

1193
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: where sometimes the little Excel spreadsheet doesn't tell you the

1194
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: story and key moments. Against good offenses, they weren't good.

1195
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: They were one of the worst teams in the league

1196
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: in third and long, and Sunday was another example of that.

1197
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: Um I think it's because they didn't have anybody that

1198
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: could cover. I'm looking up to third downs on Sunday

1199
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: was where are we seven for twelve? And that was

1200
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: really seven for ten. They shred them on third down

1201
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: because the last two third downs, the first one was

1202
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: a bomb that gave Davis dropped in the end zone

1203
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: and the second one that they stopped was a kneel

1204
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: down at the end of the game. So they were

1205
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: really seven for ten on third downs in that game.

1206
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: They were air brutal against the Bills on third down. Defensively,

1207
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: they can't get them off the field. I just when

1208
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: it comes to third down. I think the biggest issue

1209
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: was covering, and they like to run man on third down,

1210
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: and if you don't have the horses to run man

1211
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: on third down, then you're gonna get beat. And they

1212
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: tried to get out of man a little bit in

1213
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: this game. And then he hits Diggs on the out

1214
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: and up and cover three because it's a man on

1215
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: the outside. Anyway, to Evan's point, that whole scenario came about,

1216
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: they had a second down pass that Dawson Knox made

1217
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: a really nice one handed catching, got either the first

1218
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: down or inches. Shy called back for one of the

1219
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: most bogus chop block penalties that you'll ever see. So

1220
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: now it's like second and twenty five. They get like

1221
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: a thirteen yard path they made. It must have been

1222
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: second in twenty three because I think they got thirteen

1223
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: made a third and ten, and that's what it's so like.

1224
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. If you're a good defense and you get

1225
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: that penalty in a five point game, you gotta get

1226
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: off the field. Gotta get off the field. Can make

1227
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: one point before the break, I'm gonna eat up. Just

1228
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: how did they lose to the worst team in the

1229
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: leagu get home thirty three to fourteen? Like I just

1230
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: like in retrospect, but in the in the grand scheme

1231
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: of things, that should have been just one of those games,

1232
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: like every team has. I agree that you have been

1233
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: one of those games, just in it's one of those

1234
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: though in retrospect the game they shouldn't have lost. They

1235
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: shouldn't have lost Vegas. That's when if they had won,

1236
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: they would have been eight and six in the driver's seat.

1237
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: That's the one that got away. It's that Vegas game.

1238
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: I agree. I'm over the Bears game. I know what

1239
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,479
Speaker 1: your point is. Just say, you get to the season,

1240
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: you look back and you're like, wait, they ended up

1241
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: being the worst. That was the only road game they

1242
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: won all year, and they won here thirty three to fourteen,

1243
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: and they were like, you know, unstoppable on third down?

1244
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Speaker 1: Is I mean, it's just it's food. I would have

1245
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,680
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1246
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,960
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Speaker 1: the key to win it, and that joy is the

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Speaker 1: whole game, not just the end game. Michelope Ultra ninety

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Speaker 1: five calories, two point six grams of cars. It's only

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Speaker 1: worth it if you enjoy it and you're responsibly a

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Speaker 1: B michelob Ultra Light Bear Saint Louis, Missouri playoffs start

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Speaker 1: next week. Reality is you're eight and nine. That's what

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Speaker 1: you are. It is full Who does the kickoff honors

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01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: with nine. He behinds the former cold deployed to our

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01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: white standing on the gold line down. The kick is

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01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: aloft left to right and it's short to the four.

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01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: Had a Jaila hashwarts hind straight ahead of the twenty

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01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: yard line. He bounces it right outside of the thirty.

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Speaker 1: He's changed by mac Pilson to the forty five. Fifty

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Speaker 1: fucking pursuit for the forty five women away running down

1279
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Speaker 1: the right side. He is gone, come he in Jones.

1280
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: What a start from Buffalo. This crowd says it all.

1281
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: You cannot hear yourself right now in Orchard Park. Amazing

1282
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: six yards. It's a short kick and lands at the five.

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01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: He hits that first wave that finds his way to

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01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots sideline and it's a foot race between he

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01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: and two defenders and there's no tunes. They're catching him.

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01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: Jones waits onless staff and he takes it. The Bills

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01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: will rush for Mac is pressure. He rolls left. He's

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01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: all old deck I sacked inside the twenties and Grim

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01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: Brusseau was there as the first Buffalo defender to bring

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Speaker 1: down Jones. Better get to number ten to get him

1291
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: on the bench and settle his tail down. You're rushing four.

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01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: He has to slide left because Trent Brown gets beat.

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01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: But then he pills back and then all of a sudden,

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01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: it's almost a knockout shot from the other side. Play fake.

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01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: He looks left, he throws back of the end zone

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Speaker 1: for Myers. Did you call me reaches up to make

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Speaker 1: the graph? It was he shoved out a bounce or

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01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: did he come in into play? The officials will confer

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Speaker 1: without a signal yet touchdown Patriots. I'm shocked they ruled it.

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01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: Me to me from up here, look like he at

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01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: one foot down. It's a play fake up the week side.

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01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: I don't think you got any cap Bob, he called

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01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: me reaching up right. It makes a tremendous grab with

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01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: the life footown. Oh god, he's down. Indeed, now that

1305
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: we get a better angle hold along this sideline, he

1306
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: does appear he's got the ball in his hands that

1307
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: his right foot comes down and then his left toes

1308
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: as well. Hey, if the Raiders were in, you're in.

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01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: That's all I know. Based on the way things these

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01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: things go for review. The ruling on the field does

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Speaker 1: stay and is called it's a touchdown. A sensational grab

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01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,479
Speaker 1: for Myers, his sixth touchdown catch of the season and

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Speaker 1: the third in his many weeks. It's an unreal catch,

1314
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: it really is. I thought in real time he was

1315
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: out ball on the playfag He drops back, he looked love,

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01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: he scanned the middle, He d his right, He fires

1317
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Speaker 1: for the middle, open knots touch down Buffalo file dugger

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Speaker 1: could not eat up with gossip knocks too much time

1319
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,959
Speaker 1: for Josh Shellen. Gills are back in the league. Can't

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01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: coming forever. Can't have these guy to hold their coverage

1321
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: for good. Four cop counting. There's still pressure on Allen.

1322
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: He flat puts it, he resets, he resets again, and

1323
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: it's like shooting fish in the barrel. Alan dropping back

1324
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: for Matt Rush again. Barnward under pressure here, that is

1325
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: stepped up and he sat back quality when you bring

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01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: him down at the forty six, that's the way you dollarhood,

1327
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: little twist, little booth, hand off the Steavens and what's

1328
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: he left? Bake Hall across the forty, cuts left the

1329
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: forty five and steam rolls to the defender there tackle

1330
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Speaker 1: in the open field the Buffalo forty eight yard line.

1331
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: I canna tell its run checks fighter backs player on

1332
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: the staff. Nice John mac joons getting the team in

1333
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: the right call. It's worth eighteen yards on McCarry, and

1334
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: it's worth more than a thousand yards on the season

1335
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: for Romandie Stevens. And he motions Marcus Jones into the

1336
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: back room. Matt takes me to have dropped back, looks right,

1337
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: looks down the middle, stepped up, lobs the past part

1338
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: Parker hoping, tounch down hedrids. I'll tell you what mac

1339
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: Jones came the play today, boy and pointing the ever

1340
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: snapped to Alan, Patriots rushing five. Alan stands in. He

1341
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: skinn as he throws. It's a one good picked up

1342
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: by mccorty to five ms, back left to the gun,

1343
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: step into the twenty, stumbles out of the head to

1344
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: the thirty and the party takes it to the thirty

1345
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: four yard line, tackled there by Brown. And what did

1346
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: we talk about with people at your feet? The Patriots

1347
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: pushed the middle of the pocket. It's far more and

1348
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: it's wise and they collapse Allen's legs and this ball

1349
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: pops straight up in the air and McCarty's air. That

1350
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: is a crucial turnover for the Bills. They had points

1351
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: before the half and then we gonna get some ball

1352
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: to come up and start that second half. That takes

1353
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: the snap, he's looking left, back shoulder throw and that

1354
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: passes intersected. He threw it for Agalore and he led

1355
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: it to the sideline for Trudavious wife. Buffalo takes over

1356
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: and it's two and attack. Find it picks you off.

1357
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: You gotta fight for it, Aggalore. It's a little pig

1358
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: kill him killer, because that's a great rise you had

1359
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: going right there. Now. Second down for Buffalo and they

1360
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: give a single tiry. He runs it to the right.

1361
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: He's spotted up. He dutched back to the inside of

1362
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: Out follows out and as the scrumming sues, the officials,

1363
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: led by Claymark and the referee god to wave their

1364
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: way through the crowd. But it got Patriot's habit. Thank you,

1365
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: he got it. That's a big one. Bud Folk delivers

1366
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: the kickoff left to right. It gets to the end

1367
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: zone two yards out from the left side. It's Hines

1368
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: across the twenty to the thirty, hides his head. Any

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01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: breaks your way to the far side fifty to the

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Speaker 1: forty to the thirty to the twenty nine heat Hides

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Speaker 1: has done it again, Pie stepping into the end zone. Touchdown, Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe it. I can't believe it. Well, the

1373
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: first return and they open a kickoff of the game

1374
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Speaker 1: was ninety six. You're not gonna beat anybody giving them

1375
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: four teen points on the silver platter. This one, this

1376
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: is pathetic. At least one hundred and one was snapped.

1377
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: Alany A faked to Cookie runs White outside of Boche.

1378
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: Alan's goning to go longa keep down the right side

1379
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: and openly see her Brown tiny cats touchdown, Buffalo, end

1380
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: que there's your brain. John Brown elevated off the practice squad,

1381
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: went to where he had to mouth criant Ooja had

1382
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: the pressure. You couldn't get to Allen and as the

1383
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 1: quarterback always does, he steps out of pressure, rolls right.

1384
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: Receivers breakdown. They sees in trouble and Brown just takes

1385
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: off and there's no one near him. Jones's back hen

1386
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: as he throws a long ball up the Parker makes

1387
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: the catch down in the end zone. Touchdown, Patriots. We

1388
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: just said you gotta get a quick score here, and

1389
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: they went right back to the bautepe Parker. He tried

1390
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 1: him with Aggalore, but now it's Parker with the chump

1391
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: ball to help the left sideline, and I think it's

1392
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: old Tredavious White. They line up four players to the

1393
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: right Will Kenner and the tide I left. Jones is

1394
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: under center, springing in motion to the leftist Marcus Jones,

1395
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: and Matt John throws it right a low cost at

1396
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,799
Speaker 1: the feet of Romandie Stevenson. It a period incomplete before

1397
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: if it did make the catch, they was stopped at

1398
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: the wad. Either way, the Patriot has failed to convert

1399
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: and we go to a timeout. Was eleven thirty seven

1400
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: to go in them fourth Patriots will rush forth, Alan

1401
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: dropped back. Sure it comes to quality. Alan hit as

1402
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: he throws a key ball down the left side and

1403
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: open digs him the bark touchdown, Buffalo, you deserve that one.

1404
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: The love foot a pump by Pilardia is high, it

1405
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: is short. They will come down to the bounce across

1406
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: the forty for the role inside the thirty folly hit

1407
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: one of the Bills. Block did a scramble for the

1408
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: loose balls. Patriots balls beat and the Patriots say they

1409
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,719
Speaker 1: have it and they do what the Deil store Matthew

1410
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: Sledder was engaged with Taiwan Jones blocking on the plane.

1411
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,719
Speaker 1: There is a flag on the other side of the field.

1412
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: It's later ruling on the gage with the Juffalo number

1413
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: twenty five coast the ball. We had a legal recovery

1414
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: by New England during the kick illegal block in the

1415
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: back Buffalo that penalties decline. It will be first found

1416
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: New England. So there is still life of the Patriots

1417
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: in this game. Lable drops back. He stands in throw

1418
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: us to the ends up for Henry off his left

1419
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: hand and intercepted by Mulano. Mulano rising to runner right side.

1420
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 1: Time to the fifteen to the twenty Falano twenty five thirty.

1421
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: Lano is chucked out from behind by Taekwon Thirton. Matt

1422
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: takes the staff. He's pressure, he steps up. He throws

1423
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: it to Damianare's Babbo. The ball's intercepted. Tavian Edmans comes

1424
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: away with it and let me tackle it. At the

1425
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: thirty another tip ball picked off by Buffalo came it

1426
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: competed to that in the NFL. All went on today.

1427
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: I think got the biggest thing for the week. I'm

1428
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: glad tomorrow hamlet is feeling better, but the league goes on.

1429
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: Playoffs start next week. You gotta figure out what you

1430
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: gotta do to get better in the off season. Just

1431
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: reality is your eight nine, that's what you are all

1432
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: right back here on Patriots Unfiltered. There's the mash up

1433
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: for the final, the final mash up for the final game. Uh. Boys,

1434
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,799
Speaker 1: it was tough. It was tough, you know. But I'm glad,

1435
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, and I know fans are gonna kill me

1436
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: for this, but I'm glad that having not won it,

1437
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: we didn't get in the playoffs, we didn't back. Um.

1438
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: That's actually a sentiment shared by the entirety of the

1439
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: pre impostgame show. You know, yeah, I just let's you know,

1440
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: as Tamara said, let's pull that band aid off. Let's

1441
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: not you know, all watching the red zone and we

1442
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: were all, I think, we're all this is not I

1443
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: don't want to speak, don't speak for me. I'll say

1444
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: I was rooting for Miami and Pittsburgh because I didn't

1445
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 1: want to go to the playoffs at eight and nine.

1446
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: I think that my my I think my co host

1447
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 1: felt but I'm not going to sit and just because

1448
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: of the like, let's just say it was eight nine,

1449
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: but our last five games we won and we were

1450
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: playing better yeats, Yes, exactly, it would be different. But

1451
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: the way we were playing, we weren't going to do anything.

1452
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: No no, I mean, especially not to have to go

1453
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: back to Buffalo to play them again. Right, So so

1454
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: let's let's, you know, finalize this season as it should be,

1455
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: and let's move on. Let's move on to twenty twenty

1456
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: three and get that band aid pulled off and let's go.

1457
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: Do we know if if Tua is a gonna play

1458
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: or he has any chances On Thursday, Mike, I heard

1459
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: they're working with him and he might. He's not clear

1460
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: to do any football activities, That's what McDaniel said yesterday,

1461
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: which means he can't even practice, can't do and Lamar

1462
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: anything on Lamar. We're waiting on Lamar. I'd be surprised

1463
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: to be the one of the play. That's what stinks.

1464
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: And I'm with Paul. I mean, I didn't want to

1465
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: back in the only My only pause, which I said

1466
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: to Evan I think on Friday, was just that the

1467
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: Damar Hamlin situation kind of made this game into something else,

1468
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: and if they had to back in I would a man.

1469
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't mean like, how excited are you

1470
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 1: to watch Skyler Thompson going to Buffalo. I mean, it's

1471
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 1: the same thing as the Patriots would have been. But

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Speaker 1: I'm generally I'm with you, guys. I would just rather

1473
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: have it. Oh yeah, that Miami's going. I just you know,

1474
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: let them go and didn't take the bufolf. Now, on

1475
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,799
Speaker 1: the other hand, if we had pulled off the winning Buffalo,

1476
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: I'd be like, all right, nobody wants to play us.

1477
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: But that's entirely different. And we said that before the game.

1478
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: You know, if you go up to Buffalo and you

1479
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: find a way to play like a real game, yeah,

1480
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, and you and you beat them with no asterisks.

1481
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 1: Absolutely at nine and eight, let's go. Yeah, and you'd

1482
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: be going to Cincinnati. Probably not probably you would be

1483
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: going to Cincinnati. So I would actually like that matchup

1484
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: better than playing Buffalo. Again, I don't think it's worth

1485
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: arguing because I think it's fifty you know, flip flip

1486
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: flip of the coin. But I don't like the idea

1487
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: of I think I think Cincinnati has their road is

1488
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: ridiculous now because they're gonna have to more than likely

1489
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: win in Buffalo and Kansas City. Yeah, Cincinnati had the

1490
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: best celebrations all weekend, but Cincinnati has that that combination

1491
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,799
Speaker 1: of a really talented team that feels like it was wrong. Yeah,

1492
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: and I don't like right now, if I were Buffalo

1493
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: and I were Kansas City, I would be rooting for

1494
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 1: them to be upset by somebody so I didn't have

1495
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: to see them. I don't think it's gonna happen. But

1496
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,679
Speaker 1: you know, they don't have the pedigree that Mahomes has obviously,

1497
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: but they went to Kansas City without the pedigree last year,

1498
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: and one I don't see why they couldn't do it again.

1499
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: And like they just have that like f you mentality

1500
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: right now, like oh, really, we have to have a

1501
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: coin flip, you know, even though we would have beaten

1502
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: them and still had a better record, and we would

1503
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: have had to have a coin flip. Like I think

1504
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: they feel like they bent over backwards to try to

1505
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 1: give a little glimpse of hope to Buffalo but didn't

1506
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: do that to Cincinnati. Yeah, all right, five five, five

1507
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 1: hundred is the a ticket hut line everybody's been holding on.

1508
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. We'll start with Patty and agawam, what's up? Patty? Hey, everyone,

1509
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: what's up? A couple opinions out there, and Fred at

1510
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: the end, I have a question for you specifically, and

1511
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: I'll keep them quick. When I was so just real

1512
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: quickly on Max Jones this season. You know, I've been

1513
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: a Mac guy and I'm not going to rehash what

1514
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: I said prior to the season, but one of the

1515
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: things I said I wanted to see him do was

1516
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 1: pull out a few last second or you know, two

1517
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: minutes drives to either tire or win a game. And Paul,

1518
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: You're right, you haven't done it. And I've been waiting

1519
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 1: for it for two years for it to happen. And

1520
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 1: we saw Kenny Pickett do it against Baltimore. Say what

1521
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: you want against what they did in Houston last year.

1522
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: That Baltimore team's a legit team. It's a lintic defense

1523
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: and they have a legit head coach on the other side. Now,

1524
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,799
Speaker 1: going on to Bill Belichick, Fred, if if I'm the owner,

1525
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: I'll say, hey, I'll tell you what I'll send the money,

1526
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: But guess what you're going to bring in some offensive coaches.

1527
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: You're not running it back. And I didn't see the

1528
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: the interview yesterday, but I read the transcript and more

1529
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: than what the what I gathered from that, more than

1530
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: the whole Max stuff was it sounded like he wants

1531
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: to run it back, and I hope to god it

1532
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Yeah, I think I could go either way there,

1533
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: Um from that interview. You know, so I don't know

1534
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: what what Bill really thinks. You know, I don't. I

1535
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: don't either. Yeah, but just real quick, Freddy, Yeah, I'm

1536
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 1: not living in denial. I'm just asking you simply yes

1537
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: or no question. Can we just pretend like we are

1538
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: still in the playoffs until the AFTY Championship game because

1539
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to give up my fee you three

1540
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: times a week and that's good guys, all right, thanks,

1541
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: Well you're gonna have to because we're down a two

1542
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: show tomorrow offseason schedule Tuesday and Thursday. If that's all right,

1543
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: I'll just do I do this all every year at

1544
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: this time of year. I am outvoted. I would love

1545
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: to be on the air tomorrow doing the show as normal.

1546
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 1: But Fred says, can I leave him wanting a little

1547
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,600
Speaker 1: bit more? Well, also, there's other things that we you know,

1548
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: we're very very busy right now. You know, we're getting ready.

1549
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: You know, we turned the page very quickly. Here the

1550
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: off season is Patty's first point. Though I think that's

1551
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: because I've been a Matt guy all year. I think

1552
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 1: this game made me so frustrated because I was like,

1553
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 1: they did put it in his hands, and they had

1554
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: some chances to make this game interesting and they still

1555
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: couldn't do that. What really frustrated me, that's that possession

1556
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: after the punt hit the guy in the foot, Like

1557
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: so you went three and out, you know, which is like,

1558
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: here we go again. Fourth quarter, you know, can't get

1559
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 1: it done, and then you get a reprieve and you

1560
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: take over the thirty five yard line and you get

1561
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: one penalty and that was it. You know, you couldn't score,

1562
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: you know it. It's third and whatever, third and twenty.

1563
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 1: By the way, by the way, loved the second and

1564
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: twenty draw. I'm not sure if you if you liked

1565
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: that one, and I did, Like, yeah, I loved it.

1566
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 1: I like, great, great call. Nothing like setting up third

1567
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: and nineteen on a second and twenty draw. Which one

1568
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: was this the one of Damien Harris? They chasing twelve

1569
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: points with five minutes later on the twenty three yard line.

1570
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: They were a freaking draw so they did it. The

1571
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 1: funny thing was, and I think this has happened a

1572
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,600
Speaker 1: lot with Patricia, is that once it works, once he

1573
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: goes back to it again and again and again. And

1574
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: so they they posted on Parker's second touchdown. Right on

1575
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: that drive, they got into first and twenty and they

1576
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 1: called a drawer and more Stevenson where he actually fumbled

1577
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the of the run. But it

1578
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: was a positive run. It was it was great ball security.

1579
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: Everybody tells me that it was a good run. No,

1580
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: I was. I know the player you're talking about. And

1581
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: they caught him in a rotation where the linebacker was

1582
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: dropping off the middle of the field and dropping into

1583
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: a zone, and they caught him in the exact right

1584
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,959
Speaker 1: defense to call that play, kind of like the Cleveland

1585
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 1: one right where they caught him in the right defense.

1586
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: But then he goes back to it in the exact

1587
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: same situation later in the game, and this time Buffalo

1588
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: is like, well, you're gonna do it again, like like

1589
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 1: now we're ready for it. Like the other part of

1590
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: it is those other like the one in Cleveland and

1591
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 1: the one earlier in the game. It's not like if

1592
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: it went for one yard, the game is pretty much over.

1593
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: You you have to score like this, five minutes left,

1594
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm down twelve. I need a touchdown, and I took

1595
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: a play away like you're not going to score on

1596
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: second and twenty from the twenty three. Like they needed

1597
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,799
Speaker 1: to score and score as quickly as they can take shots.

1598
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the interesting things for me

1599
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: going into this season. We talked about all the different

1600
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 1: things that go into being an offensive coordinator, and I

1601
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: think we mentioned like, you know, sequencing plays and knowing

1602
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: how to build off of things, and I think this

1603
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: was a really interesting year just to see how not

1604
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 1: to do it, or a team that doesn't really do

1605
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 1: it and doesn't really have any connection between play to

1606
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: play from game to game. You know it just I

1607
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 1: keep going back to their just calling plays. Never really

1608
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 1: felt like they were I don't ahead of the chains,

1609
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: not one of them, but you know, they were never

1610
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 1: ahead of the game where we got them real and

1611
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: right now they got no answers and We're gonna continue

1612
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: to press the envelope with other stuff. Instead, they would

1613
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 1: just like I'll go back to work. Last time. It

1614
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: doesn't work this time. Um, I think those are the

1615
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 1: things that you can't really Oh, it's going to get

1616
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: better next year. How much better is it going to

1617
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 1: get next year? Are they going to be back to

1618
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: middle of the league and offense, because that's not going

1619
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: to get you back into the playoffs, like they need

1620
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: to make a jump. And that's why the bill run

1621
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 1: it back thing. All Right, incrementally, you're going to be

1622
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: better next year. I don't think that that's a good

1623
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: enough answer. Well if well, what if you run it

1624
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 1: back and you spend a lot of money and it

1625
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 1: all comes together? Right, And if they run it back

1626
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: and they spend a lot of money and it looks better,

1627
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 1: it's because they have better players, right, It's not because

1628
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: they have better coaches. It just they have better players. Okay,

1629
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 1: if they run it back like the Chicken and the

1630
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 1: Egg thing, you know, I'll be on record, I'll say,

1631
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 1: if they run it back and it includes mac Jones,

1632
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: it won't work. And I'm not saying that because of

1633
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 1: mac Jones's ability. I'm saying he will not buy into

1634
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: it anymore than he did this year, and that's part

1635
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: of the problem. Right. But no one wants to really

1636
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 1: I agree with Do you get him to like if

1637
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: you trade for DeAndre Hopkins? Right, and Hopkins says to him,

1638
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,520
Speaker 1: you know what, Mac, these guys are a bunch of buffoons.

1639
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: But you and I are just going to do it

1640
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: together ourselves. Yeah, you sold me. Yeah that's that's a

1641
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 1: selling point, right, all right, Chris with A T, I

1642
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: A N. What's up? Christian? Hey everybody? Um, you know,

1643
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,600
Speaker 1: I'll be quick. It's so now the coach doesn't like

1644
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Um. So in addition to that, your special

1645
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: team stink, Your offense stinks. Your defense hasn't been able

1646
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: to stop anybody since you want a Super Bowl anybody,

1647
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: Any offense that has been good, Any offense that's good

1648
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: scores points. It beats them. So it's not just one thing.

1649
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: And you don't just need an offensive coordinator. You need

1650
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 1: a quarterbacks coach, You need an offensive line coach. Start over,

1651
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: see you later. It's been great. The best to have

1652
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 1: her do it. We'll see you with the red jacket

1653
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 1: and we'll see you in the yellow jacket. Wipe the

1654
01:21:56,040 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 1: slake clean, start over, Tamaras we rip the bandaid off,

1655
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: it fixed a minute of time. So as a fan.

1656
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: Are you okay reachless? I mean like it's been done

1657
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 1: before where a new head coach comes in and wins

1658
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 1: right away, but likely no. Are you ready for you know,

1659
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: another three years of building or worse than being around

1660
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 1: five three first time head coaches go to the playoffs

1661
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 1: this year? Yeah? I mean I'm ready to be. I

1662
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 1: have faith in the ownerships. This take owned the team.

1663
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 1: They fired Bill Parcells, pete down with Bill Belichick. I

1664
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: trust them to get a good guy whoa good point,

1665
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 1: come down on good point. There you going? There you go,

1666
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: Although they didn't hire Bill Parcells. But all right, thanks Christian, Um,

1667
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 1: you don't have to ruin it. Um. Wait, I would

1668
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: you want to comment on Paul's question to me about

1669
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 1: ripping the mandaid off? There? Well comments you were ready.

1670
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: I'm trying to put out what I want to say

1671
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 1: because per Paul's note on a whiteboard of who's going

1672
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: to win this who rule this year? When he said

1673
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,799
Speaker 1: Astrick I work here, this is my I think Patriots

1674
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: for the masterisk R work here. I'm trying to think

1675
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: about what I want to say. Aftric I work here.

1676
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:11,759
Speaker 1: I think that say if hypothetically Craft and Bill met

1677
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,799
Speaker 1: and he said, look, I think there needs to be changes,

1678
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: and but was like, I don't want to make any changes.

1679
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: I think everything's great. Then I would not be surprised

1680
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: if Robert Craft was like, well, all right, then band

1681
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: aid off. But but or I'm hoping that maybe they

1682
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 1: just ripped the band aid off on trying to keep

1683
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 1: everything the same and just yeah, get an offensive coordinator,

1684
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 1: name defensive coordinator, go spend some money. Yeah, I think

1685
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: that's what we all, I think most of us hope for.

1686
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:43,759
Speaker 1: There are some like Christian that everybody goes, Yeah, everybody

1687
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: goes clean slate, start from scratch. There is that faction

1688
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: of the fan base that, you know, despite him being

1689
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 1: the greatest ever, it's time. It's time to move on

1690
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: now if everything remains the same, including the outcome of

1691
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 1: next season, Yes, ripped the bandit off. Sorry, Yeah, I

1692
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: don't think that. The offensive coach had commented, all they

1693
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: need this, to need that. So the coordinator and the

1694
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach of the same person. Okay, if you bring

1695
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 1: in Cliff kingsburyer Bill O'Brien to coordinate the offense, they're

1696
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: coaching the quarterbacks, right, Okay, And yeah, maybe they need

1697
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: like a Jerry Schsplinsky or jet Fish or whatever to

1698
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: do some of the little Evan Rostein sure to do

1699
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,600
Speaker 1: some of the little things that. Oh and you know

1700
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: Kingsberry is in a game plan meeting with Bill and

1701
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: they need to just kind of go through film and

1702
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: he needs somebody to um. You know, Jetfish used to

1703
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: write the Q cards, the little QUE cards um with

1704
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: Mac Jones like those things. Okay, fine, like you need

1705
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 1: somebody to do that type of stuff. But if you're

1706
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 1: bringing in somebody like Bill O'Brien to coordinate the offense,

1707
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,600
Speaker 1: he's not handing the quarterback over to somebody else to

1708
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: do the coaching, right like he You know, Josh and

1709
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: Mac Jones were locked at the hip all the time

1710
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: like that. Josh was with Mac twenty four seven. And

1711
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: that's how it's going to be with the new guy

1712
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 1: coming in as well, and their offensive line coaches that

1713
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: you can hire that can that can do the job. Okay,

1714
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be Dante's Karnakia, but they can find

1715
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: an offensive line coach. So I don't think that that's

1716
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 1: that outlandish to think that that's this golden goose that

1717
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 1: they can't acquire. Todd's in North Carolina, Hey, Todd, So

1718
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: I just listened to everything you guys have said. And

1719
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 1: if this seems to be coming down to where's Bill

1720
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 1: is Bill? I did the point in his career where

1721
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 1: he's still doing what's best for the team or is

1722
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 1: he doing what's the best for Bill? Right? Did he

1723
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 1: have to Shool's record is if that's important to him?

1724
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: Is he just trying to patch things together for the

1725
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 1: next couple of years, in which case, you know what

1726
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: Christian with the tia n Yeah, he's got it, he's

1727
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: got a goal. Well. But on the other hand, though Todd, like,

1728
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: if that's all he cares about is getting that record.

1729
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. But if that's all he cares

1730
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 1: about and he's going to do anything to do that,

1731
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: that means winning and fans should want that. Yeah, how

1732
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:55,839
Speaker 1: many wins does he need? I don't know. Eighteen eighteen,

1733
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: so he can go basically nine and eight, nine and eight.

1734
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: We missed the playoffs for here's boom, I'm done, I

1735
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,759
Speaker 1: got Chula, goodbye, okay, or you can go four and thirteen.

1736
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: I mean, like, why, why is trying to win games

1737
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: counterproductive to what you want to do? I think it's

1738
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 1: Fred's points. If you're just trying to win x amount, No, no, no,

1739
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 1: he's not trying to win x many games as possible.

1740
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 1: Walk into the press conference after I got it, kind

1741
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: of get what you're saying, but I do. Look, is

1742
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:29,719
Speaker 1: Bill just patching holes like he did with the defense

1743
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 1: when we had the boogey Man? He's like, oh, I

1744
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: got all these old guys and they pay you off.

1745
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 1: Like is he just trying to get fined enough to

1746
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 1: get to get by and kind of ride it out,

1747
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:41,759
Speaker 1: or is he trying to build a team for the future,

1748
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: which might mean he doesn't get Shula's record. Is he

1749
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: able to do that? Is he able to say, hey,

1750
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: I don't need Chula's record. I can walk away from

1751
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 1: this team leaving the good position and they will get

1752
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl or two one time, but you know,

1753
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,919
Speaker 1: retire if they don't make improvements, if they just they're

1754
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 1: not even going to be eight nine next year, They'll

1755
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,839
Speaker 1: they'll get worse. You don't stay the same in the NFL.

1756
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: You either get worse you get better. You know. It's

1757
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: so like, if if he does what you're saying, Todd,

1758
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: he'll probably not win eight games lat next year. You know,

1759
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that if you do everything the same,

1760
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna be five hundred or you know, you can't

1761
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: be anymore, but you know what I mean. And then

1762
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: one other quick point. You're talking about a coach having

1763
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 1: to be a teacher, and so he's teaching in the

1764
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: seventies or sixties because he put Brendon School are probably

1765
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 1: one of our best guys for special teams on the

1766
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 1: bench and had him ride the bench at the start

1767
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 1: of the year. You put one of our best receivers

1768
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 1: born on the bench. Her school school is hurt going on.

1769
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: You can't do these kind of things with the team

1770
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 1: that age might be a different the born one's a

1771
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: little different. Yeah, because there was no particular reason why.

1772
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 1: But can we also like thanks to Kendrick Bourne played

1773
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 1: like crap for the last two games of the season,

1774
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: all right, So like I look, I like Kendrick Borne.

1775
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: I want him to play more too. He was great

1776
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 1: again Cincinnati. But I'm like Paul is just you know

1777
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice, right, Like if you just play him? Oh wait,

1778
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: but can you blame someone who barely gets any game reps?

1779
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm not blaming Kendrick Borne, Like necessarily, but the film

1780
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 1: is the film, Okay, Anybody like why he didn't get

1781
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 1: many game reps to start because because he's false starting

1782
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 1: and because he's dropping where he's going. Hountless mistakes right

1783
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: during training campaign, you know, whether they were on field

1784
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: or off, like besides the fact that everything this team

1785
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: does like they do nothing right, and it's like that guy.

1786
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's just like that guy is has from

1787
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: start to finish he has had. He's a very good receiver.

1788
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 1: He's a skilled receiver. Okay, and if you just did

1789
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 1: it on pure talent, he's probably the best that they have.

1790
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,520
Speaker 1: And I understand why people are frustrated about their best

1791
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 1: talent wise receiver not seeing the field more. But the

1792
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: proof is right there. It's it's third and six in

1793
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: a key spot last week and he falls starts and

1794
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 1: now that coaching, no, he all, he's got to do

1795
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 1: his way for the ball. I mean, I mean, why

1796
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 1: is why where? Why is there so much lack of

1797
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: discipline all around? Like I mean the whole offensive one.

1798
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 1: Trent Brown has a million of those, So like I know,

1799
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 1: the guy's leading the way I mean, and Heno leads

1800
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: the way I mean per snap per penalty. That can't

1801
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:26,919
Speaker 1: be a guy in the NFL that has more penalties

1802
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 1: per snap on the field. Thank Kendrick Bourne. He in

1803
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 1: the same game that everybody's praising him for having a

1804
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,919
Speaker 1: great game, he gets Johnny Smith put in concussion protocol

1805
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 1: because he runs the wrong route. He runs the wrong route,

1806
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: he runs right into Johnny Smith and Johnny Smith gets

1807
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 1: pancaked between two defenders because of it. And then in

1808
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 1: this game they're coming down to the wire, they're trailing,

1809
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 1: they need to score points. Mac throws him a ball

1810
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: in the flat that hits him in the hands and

1811
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:57,759
Speaker 1: bounces off that that was the play before the second

1812
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 1: and twenty draw. It was my point with Kendrick Bourne

1813
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 1: never watched one second of film, is everybody sits here

1814
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 1: and says that there's no reason why he's not playing more,

1815
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 1: that there's no evidence whatsoever that can possibly explain why

1816
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 1: this guy wasn't playing more when there's evidence all over

1817
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,679
Speaker 1: the place as to why he didn't play more this year.

1818
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: And I would I would just argue, And that's a

1819
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,639
Speaker 1: great rant of love that, but I would just argue,

1820
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 1: like I think Kendrick Boyne has talent, I'm not saying

1821
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't belong in the league. But if you honestly

1822
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 1: think the difference between wins and losses is Kendrick Bourne, Like,

1823
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about like adding DeAndre Hopkins, right

1824
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: or someone of that caliber. This is not We're not

1825
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: talking about adding Kendrick Bourne, you know in the offseason.

1826
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's a good, complimentary receiver. I think

1827
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 1: he would have helped, But I think there were reasons.

1828
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't understand why, if everything he did was so agreedious,

1829
01:30:56,120 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 1: why he's still on the team. Like Wes Welker, who

1830
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: caught a million passes a year, was punished for a

1831
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 1: whole quarter of a playoff game. And this guy is

1832
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:12,679
Speaker 1: not a pimple on West Welker's ass, and he's still

1833
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 1: on the team. He's out there like the next game

1834
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 1: after openly being insubordinate in the locker room, telling everybody

1835
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 1: they know all at plays, we gotta change things up

1836
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: on third down. By the way, mcconky is a slot receiver. Yeah,

1837
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 1: from last night, it's quick mcconky. Mccorgo. He's quick, great,

1838
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 1: Keep chasing the untalented bums and keep seeing that without breath.

1839
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: I remember Paul calling West Welker pocket change. I was

1840
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 1: wrong about that, and you might be wrong about McConkey too.

1841
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 1: Not if mac Jones is the quarterback, I won't be

1842
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 1: whether it's a slot hunter Renfro and you can keep

1843
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 1: all those guys. If you don't have a guy like Brady,

1844
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna work. Watch some short areas. I love.

1845
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 1: They don't have to be a seventh round like try

1846
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 1: hard guy. I just I like we got some long speed,

1847
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 1: but I just I want some quickness when it's third

1848
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: and four. They need to have somebody that can get loose,

1849
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: you can shake loose. I don't care, especially with this quarterbacks.

1850
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:12,639
Speaker 1: I don't need the I don't need a four two five.

1851
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: I want a three cone guy in the middle that

1852
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 1: candest people in clac I was thinking about this the

1853
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:22,679
Speaker 1: other day. When was it the Raiders? Same thing? Who

1854
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 1: did they play at the end of the year Chiefs

1855
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 1: Raiders on that that lovely primetime game and Renfro kept

1856
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 1: falling down. Okay, but he's weird, but in all stay

1857
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:37,600
Speaker 1: in all serious though, If like they took Renferro and

1858
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 1: put him in the offense with Brady, oh my god,

1859
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 1: that's different. And that's why I and that was my miscalculation.

1860
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 1: That's why I was wrong in the Fred argument. He

1861
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,760
Speaker 1: took a rocket shot at me just now, Fred, And

1862
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 1: he's one hundred percent right because I said that. I

1863
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: said that about Welker before he ever played a game

1864
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 1: for the Patriots, that he was pocket change. And I

1865
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 1: was wrong because I didn't take into consideration that's the

1866
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 1: perfect guy for I'm not didn't taken into But I

1867
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 1: think that's what Dante's talking about. I think when he

1868
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 1: says banky, he's not thinking Jamar Chase. He's thinking about

1869
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 1: that guy that's always open when I need him. Yeah,

1870
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 1: And that was Welker, that was Edelman, And you know

1871
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 1: it's a good slot guy that's quick and short. Like

1872
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,640
Speaker 1: you said, they need the other things. They need the

1873
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: other things too, for absolutely. But I think when he's

1874
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 1: thinking that that short guy that's reliable, James White's the

1875
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 1: Julian Edelman's Yes, Like they have so much trouble throwing

1876
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,640
Speaker 1: the ball out of the backfield to running backs, Like

1877
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 1: they can't throw the ball to a running back to

1878
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: save their life. And it's because they don't have And

1879
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: I asked Brady about Edelman when he came back from

1880
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: this Edelman came back from the suspension. I was like,

1881
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 1: what what makes throwing to Edelman like so great for you?

1882
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: Like why do you love throwing to him? And he

1883
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: said that he gets open early in the route, so

1884
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 1: you know instantly that he's open, and you don't have

1885
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: to sit there and pat the baby and pat the

1886
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 1: baby wait for him to run. It just is he's there.

1887
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 1: He's open, He's at the exact spot I expect him

1888
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 1: to be, and I can get the ball out of

1889
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 1: my hands, and you know, time's like I can't run

1890
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:09,640
Speaker 1: with the football like I do. You don't want the

1891
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 1: ball in my hands right like you want the ball

1892
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 1: and Julian's hands. And he was so good at just

1893
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: getting open initially off the line of scrimmage quickly in

1894
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:21,759
Speaker 1: the routestam where the quarterback just felt so careful comfortable

1895
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: throwing him the football. They don't have that guy. I

1896
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 1: think if you had the other guys, myers would be

1897
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:30,639
Speaker 1: close enough. He's not as quick as those guys. Yeah,

1898
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 1: I understand what I've been saying, and Evan's one thousand

1899
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 1: percent right, But I could take a guy with eighty

1900
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 1: five catches that gets open reasonably quickly on the short

1901
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 1: stuff and they just don't have anything else to go,

1902
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 1: you know. I'll speak a little Evan here. I think

1903
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 1: there's tape this year of Myers getting open quicker in

1904
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,719
Speaker 1: his routes, you know, being able to you know, really

1905
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 1: get that. I think he's off balance, and then I

1906
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 1: think he's very dependable too. And if Mac gets rid

1907
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 1: of the ball quickly, then he's gonna have a guy

1908
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 1: open quick, you know soon. Especially recently, he was running

1909
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 1: some of those like whip return routes and he was

1910
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:07,719
Speaker 1: open and that his eyes weren't in the right place

1911
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 1: on some of those plays recently, and Kobe's like throwing

1912
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 1: up his hands, Like I saw the tape. I was

1913
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 1: interested about your about your Walker thing, just because west

1914
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 1: Walker was such a little guy. Sometimes the football looks

1915
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 1: so big in his art. I can imagine being out

1916
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 1: there at mini camp and seeing this guy and be

1917
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 1: like what is this? Like this this is what they

1918
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 1: traded for m Yeah, you know that's saying like this

1919
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,600
Speaker 1: is like he had a couple of catches against us

1920
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: for Miami. Like yeah, I was like, oh, come on,

1921
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 1: staying up late at night thinking about did you see

1922
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 1: that guy's funny what he passes about the football. It

1923
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:53,799
Speaker 1: looks like rugby. It's too big on That's exactly rugby.

1924
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:55,760
Speaker 1: I know, I know. I remember just watching him go

1925
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 1: back for punts and he's like just the eyes coming

1926
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 1: out of his head. Not in the rachet away, but

1927
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 1: like in the say it all the time and the

1928
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: good way. I was wrong, Yeah, yeah, it was wrong,

1929
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 1: but caught like a hundred. He got to camp though,

1930
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 1: was he just was he just like he was making

1931
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: all kinds of place in the very first game. It's

1932
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 1: like the first touchdown of that two. I mean that

1933
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 1: O seven training camp was a revelation hit between him

1934
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 1: and Moss. You know, Moss came in and everybody, nobody

1935
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: caught the bomb and he just ran off the field

1936
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: and we never saw you know they Oakland was calling

1937
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 1: him a dog and all that. He comes in here

1938
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 1: and training get him and walk. I mean, like Paul said,

1939
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 1: the ball never hit the ground. It was unbelievable. He

1940
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 1: was getting cut supposedly. I away remember we were talking

1941
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 1: like yeah something because he pulled a hamstring. He caught

1942
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:42,599
Speaker 1: it right off the field, caught a bomb in training

1943
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 1: camp and basically went right off the field. We never

1944
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 1: saw him the rest of camp, no preseason, nothing. Next

1945
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 1: time he's d I wonder if they're gonna cut him. Yeah,

1946
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 1: and then you know he's the Jets happen and doing

1947
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 1: this thing at the launching it like seven yards down

1948
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 1: field to a spot and you just know that he's

1949
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 1: down there because you didn't see it on TV, that

1950
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 1: he's open. But when he would load up, I would

1951
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 1: just be like a Moss's wide open. But even then

1952
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 1: I was so I was so wrong about Welker Mike that,

1953
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 1: so that you know, when we had this argument and Fred,

1954
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 1: you know rightly, you know, makes fun of me like

1955
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 1: I would do to him. Not you know, wasn't not

1956
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: a cheap shot. Um. The next year was the year

1957
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 1: that Brady got hurt, right, thanks, And I still, I mean,

1958
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 1: I thought Welker was great. I mean obviously you know seven,

1959
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 1: but I was like, we really see, No, I was

1960
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:33,720
Speaker 1: stubborn as you, I mean, stopped me if you'd heard

1961
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 1: this one, pauls a little stubborn. I was like, Brady

1962
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 1: Brady did that? Yeah, yeah, And Andy said, who do

1963
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 1: you think will be more affected by Brady's absence? Moss

1964
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 1: or Welker, and I said, Welker, muzzle still do his thing.

1965
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 1: He I think he was off by one catch. I

1966
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,640
Speaker 1: think it was something like one hundred and fifty, you know,

1967
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 1: one hundred and twelve one year, one hundred and thirteen

1968
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 1: the next door something like that. Like again, I couldn't

1969
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 1: have been more wrong. You look up Welker's numbers there. Yeah,

1970
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 1: they really are people forget if that's the argument I

1971
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 1: used in Fred will tell you. I used the argument

1972
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 1: for Welker's candidacy in the Hall of Fame meeting last year,

1973
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 1: and everybody nominates people, then people talk about it. I

1974
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,200
Speaker 1: did this. I wasn't as good as that. He didn't

1975
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 1: win this, and I was like, well, here's what you

1976
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 1: need to know about Welker. When Brady missed the whole

1977
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 1: year and Matt Castle, a seventh round guy who didn't

1978
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 1: even play in college, he caught the same amount of

1979
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 1: passes with him without Brady, you know, and somehow he's

1980
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 1: still This goes back to and we're gonna have plenty

1981
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 1: of time talk to doc, draft and all this kind

1982
01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 1: of stuff though, but this goes back to like wide

1983
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: receiver evaluation to me as well, because Hunter Renfro was

1984
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:44,760
Speaker 1: like a clone of all those you don't he used

1985
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: to sign his autograph future Patriot Hunter rend right like Edelman,

1986
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,719
Speaker 1: Danny Am and Dola Hunter like he was a clone,

1987
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 1: and they passed on him time and time and time again.

1988
01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 1: And I Brady might still be here if if they

1989
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: didn't pass on some of these guys, right, like, if

1990
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 1: they had agree with that, And it's just like, come on,

1991
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 1: like that was said. That was so easy. Brady was here,

1992
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: he would have thrown the ball to him three hundred

1993
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 1: times a year. He'd he would have thrown every place.

1994
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 1: Let's go to Mark and ball to Harry like similarly

1995
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 1: unpleasing to the eye Hunter and hold on Mark, okay,

1996
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 1: go ahead, Mark, Sorry okay? Um uh. Last year, at

1997
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:33,600
Speaker 1: this time of year, I spoke to Paul actually on

1998
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 1: this show about Gerard Mayo and viewing him as an

1999
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:42,360
Speaker 1: asset and seeing how we could go forward and maximize

2000
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 1: both for the team and for him. And you know,

2001
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 1: the weak part of Mayo's resume is that he doesn't

2002
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 1: have any on field game management experience. And as far

2003
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:58,759
Speaker 1: as the Patriots are concerned, um, you know, if he leaves,

2004
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: they're not not gonna get anything for him if he

2005
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: goes for a coordinator's position. So my point is, I

2006
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 1: think that they should make him assistant head coach, um

2007
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 1: and uh in In that way, he's priming himself for

2008
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:17,640
Speaker 1: two years down the road to maybe take over for

2009
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 1: Bill or you know, if if he does get scooped

2010
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 1: up and go someplace else, you're going to get compensation

2011
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 1: for him as much as like a third round draft

2012
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:30,680
Speaker 1: pick in twenty twenty three and and also twenty twenty four.

2013
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 1: So um, just reapproaching this. I know, Paul, I love Mayo.

2014
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 1: I love Mayo, But how do you think Bill would

2015
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 1: like that? Why wouldn't this is the guy who's going

2016
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 1: to replace me Bill, It's not it's not affecting. Anybody

2017
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:47,720
Speaker 1: gets to have his son go to defensive coordinator and

2018
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 1: Mayo becomes assistant head coach and you know, uh if

2019
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:54,639
Speaker 1: he if he leaves, if he gets scooped up again,

2020
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:57,920
Speaker 1: to get compensation for him, and if not, you know,

2021
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:01,679
Speaker 1: you're prepping him for your you know, successor three years

2022
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:03,680
Speaker 1: down the road. Yeah, I don't think Bill would like

2023
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 1: to have his successor being prepped for him. While I don't,

2024
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 1: it's a good it's a good theory, like, I didn't

2025
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:12,640
Speaker 1: think of that that they could kind of reconfigure it

2026
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:16,680
Speaker 1: to set that situation up. I might be at and

2027
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:18,760
Speaker 1: I like Gerard Mayo a lot. I think he's a

2028
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 1: good coach and obviously a great person and all that

2029
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:25,560
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But I'm not like that. I don't know.

2030
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. The sky is not fallowing to me.

2031
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 1: If Gerard Mayo walks out the building and takes a

2032
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 1: job someplace else. And by the way, I do think

2033
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 1: that they would get compensation for him as a minority

2034
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:38,720
Speaker 1: higher not if it's if no no. I think that

2035
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 1: if he's a defensive coordinator, wouldn't be considered a lateral

2036
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 1: move correct, right, it's a promotion. I think that that

2037
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 1: gets them compensation. I'm trying to look it up. Um,

2038
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:49,640
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think you've got to be

2039
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 1: a head coach if you want to get drafted compensation.

2040
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 1: It's not like I think they know, you know what.

2041
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 1: I think it's GM or head coach. I think GM

2042
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 1: is right, but it's not. It's I don't think so.

2043
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 1: I don't anyways. I just so I think a name

2044
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:08,599
Speaker 1: that I don't know how market's good call I don't

2045
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:11,000
Speaker 1: know how they divvy up game planning your boys at

2046
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 1: Pat's pulpits say they would get compensation. It just says

2047
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:17,600
Speaker 1: they would receive extra draft capital. Under the change to

2048
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 1: the league so called Rooney Rule that was voted into

2049
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 1: action during the twenty twenty season, the Patriots would be

2050
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:25,360
Speaker 1: entitled to two compensatory third round draft picks in case

2051
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 1: Mayo or any other minority assistant left to become. Oh,

2052
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, head coach, You're right, Fred's rights, head coach.

2053
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 1: I just head coach. I never worry about the defense

2054
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 1: side of the ball. But here, but here's the other thing.

2055
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:43,280
Speaker 1: Like everyone's you know, I'll preface it by saying the

2056
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 1: same thing. Love Garrode, great guy, and everyone says he's

2057
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:51,439
Speaker 1: this brilliant coach, like sold them. Why aren't we doing

2058
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:56,320
Speaker 1: more with him? Like why are we? But but at

2059
01:42:56,360 --> 01:43:00,719
Speaker 1: the same time, people people call all in and say

2060
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 1: we can't get a good quarterback off the field. But

2061
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 1: then Gerardmeo is this like big time asset, right, So

2062
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:08,680
Speaker 1: I but ultimately what it comes down to is with

2063
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 1: somebody called a wasted asset. Right, Ultimately, what it comes

2064
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:14,679
Speaker 1: down to for me is that as long as Bill

2065
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:16,400
Speaker 1: is here to coach the defense, and I don't have

2066
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:19,280
Speaker 1: any worry about who's the assistance. They won't be they

2067
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:21,599
Speaker 1: won't ever be a train wreck on defense as long

2068
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:23,879
Speaker 1: as Bill is here. That's right. They might be average,

2069
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 1: but they won't be a mess. Benson Pittsfield, Hey Ben, Hey,

2070
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 1: Hey Ben. So Joe curious. I was following like all

2071
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:37,200
Speaker 1: the fires and stuff yesterday. I mean, I know the

2072
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 1: Patriots have a history of being not too open to

2073
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 1: the public about changes within the organization, but like, when

2074
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 1: do you think we could expect like an announcement about,

2075
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 1: you know, some change, whether as a fire or change

2076
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 1: of coaches or something like that. Mini camp. Well, if

2077
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 1: history has any I do think there's a chance. I

2078
01:43:58,120 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 1: got a feeling it'll be sooner. That'll be sooner this year.

2079
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: But I'm going to show them to many camp. Bill

2080
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:04,439
Speaker 1: O'Brien's just going to be out there, like, oh, think

2081
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: about it. Think about it? Is that Bill O'Brien were

2082
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 1: We were having our department meeting today and we were

2083
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,639
Speaker 1: talking about tent Pole, and one of the tent Pole

2084
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:15,960
Speaker 1: events coming up is the owners meeting, and always, you know,

2085
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,679
Speaker 1: the owner and the coach speaks. There's no way Robert

2086
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 1: Kraft's gonna speak without things having been done by then. Yeah,

2087
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I feel like I just wonder if

2088
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:28,720
Speaker 1: if I know, like a lot of the media has

2089
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 1: been saying something about how old Doe Judge back to

2090
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 1: special teams and Nott butchers to the defense. I'm not

2091
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 1: saying that's what I necessarily want, But would we like

2092
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 1: hear about that if you know, they said, Okay, you're

2093
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Speaker 1: not on offense anymore, you're gonna do something else. Would

2094
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 1: we hear about that when that happens, or is that

2095
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 1: just gonna be like a under the rug change and

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01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 1: then maybe one day we'll figure it out. Yeah, I mean,

2097
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 1: historically you're right, that's the way it would be. But

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01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:52,200
Speaker 1: if they bring in a Bill O'Brien, or they bring

2099
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 1: in a Cliff Kingsbury, if they know he's going to

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01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:56,519
Speaker 1: be if they bring in a new offensive coordinator, we're

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01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 1: going to know it. Right, It's like Joe Judge last year.

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01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 1: I mean, just Joe Judge coming back and right we

2103
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 1: didn't know, Yeah, we didn't know what he was doing,

2104
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:05,639
Speaker 1: but they knew they hired him. They're not hiring Bill O'Brien.

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01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 1: To be the assistant offensive line coach. Hell, we didn't

2106
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 1: know that I've been fears retired until we saw the

2107
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:12,240
Speaker 1: NFL films thing the other day. They never even announced

2108
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 1: that we should run Eric. We got, we got Eric's

2109
01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: peace ready to go on. I know, still waiting could

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01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 1: be the long could take the longest after a guy

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01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 1: worked here. Rough, Yeah, I had enough of us. I

2112
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 1: also feel like I think you're just hung up money camp.

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01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 1: That was bed. I hope that they make them before that, though,

2114
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 1: because you don't want to miss out on some potential

2115
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:35,720
Speaker 1: guys that you could hire. Like no, no, I'm not

2116
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:37,600
Speaker 1: saying that they're not going to hire them. They're just

2117
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 1: we're just not gonna know until we'll be on our

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01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:42,599
Speaker 1: third head coach. And like you think the court he's

2119
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 1: going to retire, does leave, though, I definitely wouldn't rule

2120
01:45:48,240 --> 01:45:50,639
Speaker 1: out Matt Patricia going back over to defense. I wouldn't either.

2121
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:52,760
Speaker 1: That's what I said earlier. You know, I think Mayo

2122
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 1: leaving is almost a fair to complete. Now he's you know,

2123
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 1: we should have talked about this earlier, But yesterday there

2124
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:02,560
Speaker 1: was a report that the Browns have requested permission to

2125
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,160
Speaker 1: speak to him for their vacant defense record in Flores,

2126
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 1: which I feel like both wants to be a DC

2127
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:09,720
Speaker 1: or did he want to be the head coach. I

2128
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 1: think he wants to be a head coach, but I

2129
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:12,560
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to get that until he's a

2130
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 1: d C. Right, Yeah, it's good for him to go

2131
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:17,200
Speaker 1: to somewhere else though, you know, it just gets the

2132
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 1: only Bill is the only one who doesn't care about

2133
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: that kind of experience before. The only coach that's the

2134
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:25,800
Speaker 1: only head coach in the league right now that never

2135
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 1: called plays before he became a head coach is Serenian

2136
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 1: in Philly. The only coach Sanni Sirianni. I always say

2137
01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:33,880
Speaker 1: his name wrong. He's the only coach in the league

2138
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:35,680
Speaker 1: that never called plays on one side of the ball

2139
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 1: before he got the gig. So Gerard Mayo is not

2140
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 1: going to get a head coaching job until he calls

2141
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 1: a defense, because that's you have to have an expertise, right,

2142
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 1: Like you have to have something that like this is

2143
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 1: my side of the ball, like this is what I did,

2144
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 1: had done it well right, right? Right? I mean the

2145
01:46:52,439 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 1: other coaching thing that I thought was fascinating. I don't

2146
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,719
Speaker 1: know if you guys caught this yesterday. But the Titans

2147
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:03,320
Speaker 1: cleaned house. Yeah, OC hired fired four guys, you know,

2148
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:09,240
Speaker 1: and evidently yeah, Todd Dowling, Yeah he's a nut. He's

2149
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 1: the one that had the dui coming home from Green

2150
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 1: Bay and they never won again. They lost their last

2151
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:18,439
Speaker 1: seven games after that. Right wow. Um, But evidently that's

2152
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 1: how I mean. I would say, Rabel, should you know,

2153
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:24,120
Speaker 1: get that house on the market, because this is it.

2154
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 1: He's gonna get one more year. I mean, he had

2155
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 1: probably had to, you know, get rid of those guys

2156
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 1: in order to save his own jobs. Bill Parcels would say,

2157
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 1: don't buy any green bananas. Absolutely, let's get to some

2158
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 1: of the emails. Boy, this show went fast. Huh, well,

2159
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:44,639
Speaker 1: wrap up. Some might say, we have plenty of content

2160
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:47,080
Speaker 1: for three days a week. Uh, Tony writes, and I

2161
01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 1: think it's called I think I called it back in September.

2162
01:47:50,479 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 1: I wish I were wrong. I applaud the player's effort.

2163
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,320
Speaker 1: I think, as I thought prior to the season, this

2164
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:58,160
Speaker 1: team is bereft of talent, and no amount of goat

2165
01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:00,960
Speaker 1: coaching can change that. How many starters would be the

2166
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 1: top five teams in each conference replace their own players

2167
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 1: with three, maybe four at most. This is a three

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01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:09,640
Speaker 1: to four year rebuild. Well, it's three years in, so

2169
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:13,200
Speaker 1: next year should be big. I think he means from now. No,

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01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, but that doesn't That's not how rebuilds work.

2171
01:48:16,720 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 1: Don't guarantee like when the same coaching is there. Like

2172
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:23,800
Speaker 1: the rebuild doesn't get a timetable reset. She keeps going. Now,

2173
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 1: if they hired you know whatever, Bill decided to retire

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01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:28,680
Speaker 1: and they had a new guy, No, that I'd be

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01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:32,719
Speaker 1: willing to say. It's the clock stots again, Joe writes

2176
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 1: in I he's in Michigan. I agree with Paul. We

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01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:39,160
Speaker 1: can reshuffle without blowing up everything. Must replace Patricia with

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01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:42,679
Speaker 1: dedicating and competent oc as for draft, get best players

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Speaker 1: available for positions of need, which are kicking game, offensive line,

2180
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:49,120
Speaker 1: defensive back, and receivers in that order. Well, I don't

2181
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:54,840
Speaker 1: know about that kicking game or yeah, sleep on free safety. No,

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01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:57,160
Speaker 1: I was writing about that in the mailback today. I

2183
01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 1: think I like to get the best players available, but

2184
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:02,559
Speaker 1: I don't even care what position, because I think literally

2185
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:04,800
Speaker 1: you could get any position and it would help you. Right,

2186
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 1: with the exception of very very hard guard. Don't take

2187
01:49:08,160 --> 01:49:11,880
Speaker 1: another guard. I'm already preparing myself for it. I mean,

2188
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:13,840
Speaker 1: everything else you could pretty much make a case for.

2189
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:16,360
Speaker 1: I mean, indeed, how do you feel about Pierce Strong

2190
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:17,880
Speaker 1: and Kevin Harris going in the next year? Do you

2191
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:19,479
Speaker 1: think that either one of those guys is ready? But

2192
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm fine not drafting or running back, but just I

2193
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:25,360
Speaker 1: mean they probably Yeah. I'm not gonna say, oh my god,

2194
01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:27,760
Speaker 1: what a wasted pick unless it's like you know, I

2195
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 1: was looking at some consensus big boards yesterday and that

2196
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:34,840
Speaker 1: running back from Texas is like fourteenth, and I was

2197
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:38,400
Speaker 1: just like, Spot, you're going to take a running back?

2198
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:42,680
Speaker 1: Is that Bjean Roberts? Yeah, yeah, Uzo and Houston. It's

2199
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 1: sad the season came to an end so soon, but honestly,

2200
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad it did because we were probably not going

2201
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:48,200
Speaker 1: to do much in the playoffs and we have a

2202
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 1: better chance at a good draft pick, assuming we actually

2203
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:53,320
Speaker 1: picked the best player that fits our needs. Fourteen du

2204
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 1: train down, Yeah, just our greatest needs. I missed the

2205
01:49:57,560 --> 01:50:00,559
Speaker 1: years when Patriots unfiltered and PFW would have three shows

2206
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 1: a week deep into January. Hopefully we get back to

2207
01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 1: our playoff winning way soon. I was never bored with

2208
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:11,800
Speaker 1: twelve and four did Yeah. I added that, by the way,

2209
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:13,479
Speaker 1: it seems like there are a lot of people that

2210
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:15,760
Speaker 1: right into the show from Houston. It feels good to

2211
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 1: be part of a decently sized Patriots community here. Yeah. Yeah.

2212
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time in Houston, A couple

2213
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:24,160
Speaker 1: of Super Bowls. Yeah. Some good memories down there, bad Field,

2214
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 1: great mall where we stay, some mall down there, Yeah,

2215
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:31,599
Speaker 1: Westminster Street. I don't remember the street name, but that's

2216
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 1: press freda um first class problem. Fred remembering the names

2217
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,640
Speaker 1: of the streets of the hotels that we stay at.

2218
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:43,000
Speaker 1: Flesh while Eric in Philly with that restaurant where remember

2219
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:46,720
Speaker 1: that the one that doesn't exist? Gerald and grimms of

2220
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 1: Victory Cafe. Patriots fan from back of the day when

2221
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,320
Speaker 1: he had to change TV stations with a dial growing

2222
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:56,599
Speaker 1: up in Montreal. I chose the Patriots as my team

2223
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:59,479
Speaker 1: because I love the uniforms. Grogan to Morgan forever. I

2224
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:01,840
Speaker 1: heard at the other day that Judge and Patricia did

2225
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:04,560
Speaker 1: not get official titles because of their contracts with the

2226
01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:07,840
Speaker 1: Giants and Lions. If they had coordinator above titles, then

2227
01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:11,080
Speaker 1: the teams would not have to pay their contracts. Um.

2228
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:15,240
Speaker 1: But that just seems like it's part of it. Yeah,

2229
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:19,200
Speaker 1: it's it's a fact. Fred, Yeah, his offset language and

2230
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:21,639
Speaker 1: you're you're able, Like if he's a coordinator, you can't

2231
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:24,080
Speaker 1: monkey around with the guy's salary. You can't pay the

2232
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:27,519
Speaker 1: guy like one hundred grand to be the offensive coordinator, right,

2233
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:30,120
Speaker 1: but you can to be the offensive line coach. But

2234
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:32,640
Speaker 1: but what about making him do the job and not

2235
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:36,240
Speaker 1: paying him. Well that's why, like Brett Bielamo had to

2236
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:40,800
Speaker 1: go to court. Yeah, Arkansas sued him, Like is are

2237
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 1: people gonna argue that Patricia wasn't the OC you know?

2238
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:48,600
Speaker 1: And I think if the Giants wanted to make a

2239
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:51,080
Speaker 1: stink about it, I think in the NFL it's kind

2240
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:55,720
Speaker 1: of known. Like that's the difference. Like in college. Arkansas said, No,

2241
01:51:55,920 --> 01:52:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're an NFL positional coach. Don't tell

2242
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:02,760
Speaker 1: me you're making nothing right, you know. But I think

2243
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:07,519
Speaker 1: like the man is really gonna you know, they want

2244
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 1: to do the same thing. Probably, Yeah, they probably do

2245
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 1: the same kind of stuff. Um, let's see David and Bethlehem.

2246
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:20,760
Speaker 1: Uh uh, you guys are insightful, very insightful and insightful

2247
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 1: where two different words, right, opinion? Coach must admit privately

2248
01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:30,400
Speaker 1: that he misevaluated coaching talent. Besides, Patricia Brown is a

2249
01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:33,600
Speaker 1: bad wide receiver coach, Judges bombed, and Mac has to

2250
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:37,400
Speaker 1: not just accept bad coaching, but execute that junk. If

2251
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 1: Belichick doesn't admit this change, I think he will be

2252
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:43,120
Speaker 1: forced to retire. O'Brien will take a head coach job

2253
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:47,280
Speaker 1: here O Troy Brown. We talked about another guy we

2254
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 1: all love, but do we know if he's a good

2255
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver coach? I have no idea. His position group stunk. Yeah,

2256
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:57,320
Speaker 1: just calling a spade and spade. I mean, they certainly

2257
01:52:57,400 --> 01:53:00,080
Speaker 1: didn't in our opinion, in my opinion, live up to

2258
01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:03,599
Speaker 1: their potential. Do you think people be satisfied if Roberts

2259
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:05,920
Speaker 1: if there's a message comes out that they had they

2260
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 1: had the meeting and Bill agreed and there's going to

2261
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:11,840
Speaker 1: be some changes. No, but they don't get the pound

2262
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:13,880
Speaker 1: of flash of Bill coming out and admitting he was wrong.

2263
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:15,840
Speaker 1: I think that's what people want, you know, what should

2264
01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:21,760
Speaker 1: be happier with as a fan that they met and

2265
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:26,479
Speaker 1: they Robert said there has to be changes, and Bill

2266
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:29,360
Speaker 1: said no, and Robert said, then we have to cut ties.

2267
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:32,600
Speaker 1: Thank you for twenty three years of excellence, but we

2268
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:36,120
Speaker 1: have to cut ties or Bill Roberts says, I think

2269
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:38,759
Speaker 1: we need to make changes, and Bill says I don't. Okay,

2270
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:40,760
Speaker 1: Then all right, carry on. What would you think the

2271
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:44,720
Speaker 1: fans would be happier with? They want the former? I

2272
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,120
Speaker 1: think I think you're right. Yeah, at this point, I

2273
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:49,840
Speaker 1: think you're right. Yeah. I think if if running it

2274
01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:54,320
Speaker 1: back or making changes or getting rid of Bill are

2275
01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:56,559
Speaker 1: the two options. Running it back or getting rid of Bill,

2276
01:53:56,760 --> 01:53:59,160
Speaker 1: I think people would rather, you know, I know Robert

2277
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 1: like he's worried about his own legacy. Does he want

2278
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:03,280
Speaker 1: to be the guy that got rid of Bill Belichick?

2279
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:05,240
Speaker 1: But I think in this case people would be like, wow,

2280
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:07,320
Speaker 1: that took a lot of balls to do what he

2281
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 1: did and it may not work, but he had to

2282
01:54:10,360 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 1: do what he thought he was right for the team.

2283
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:16,040
Speaker 1: It's it's a hard one, but I do I also wonder,

2284
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 1: like how many years or enough years to say, I

2285
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:22,799
Speaker 1: do remember what you did, but you haven't done that anymore?

2286
01:54:22,920 --> 01:54:26,559
Speaker 1: Like and I know that like the greats like Chuck Noll,

2287
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 1: Tom Landry, they got they got a lot of years

2288
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:35,440
Speaker 1: before that, you know, before they got the way that

2289
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:39,240
Speaker 1: these last three years have looked, was Don Shula's whole

2290
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:41,960
Speaker 1: second half of his career like that. We can make

2291
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 1: an argument on Don Shula too that he just never

2292
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 1: was that anyway. That's why I used I'm not saying

2293
01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:49,720
Speaker 1: that Chuck and Tom Landry. I'm not saying it's that

2294
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:52,120
Speaker 1: he's like that better, like not a good coach or whatever.

2295
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:54,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying it because like a lot of these great

2296
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:58,400
Speaker 1: coaches just kind of sputter out like at five hundred

2297
01:54:58,440 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 1: and that that just sort of how it ends. It's

2298
01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 1: a tough job, right, I mean, yeah, I meant the

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Speaker 1: whole army of people that you have to get to

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01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 1: play physically and mentally, it's a tough job. I think

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01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:08,840
Speaker 1: the hard thing about this year too, was that there

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01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:13,880
Speaker 1: were just a lot of set pieces of terrible plays

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01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 1: and endings. I mean, with the Raiders being the clear

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01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:20,080
Speaker 1: cut one, but you know, even the one against Cincinnati

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01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 1: of just thirty second and special teams, such things that

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01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 1: we've come to believe that are completely opposite of what

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01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:29,080
Speaker 1: you came to expect out of this football team. And

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01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:31,480
Speaker 1: you're not even saying I expect wins, but I expect,

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Speaker 1: you know, this gonna be a well coached team that's

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01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:36,280
Speaker 1: gonna like not kill themselves. Point like, it's not that

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01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:38,800
Speaker 1: they could be absurdity out Like everybody looked at it.

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01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:40,800
Speaker 1: When you know they went up to Buffalo and they

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Speaker 1: play and it's the first game after you know the

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01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:47,200
Speaker 1: emotions of the Hamlin situation, and it's a storybook that

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01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:50,600
Speaker 1: Buffalo returns to the opening kick. But look at it

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01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:53,200
Speaker 1: from the other side. Your team is going up to

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01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:55,920
Speaker 1: Buffalo and they need to play their absolute best game

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01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:59,200
Speaker 1: in three years to win in Buffalo to secure a

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01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:02,560
Speaker 1: playoff spot. You allowed the opening kickoff of that game

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01:56:02,640 --> 01:56:05,240
Speaker 1: to get taken back with a touchdown, right, Like, how

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01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:08,800
Speaker 1: did you win it? You let it happen again? Ye twice? Yeah,

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01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:11,280
Speaker 1: But like you're supposed to be like here we go.

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01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:13,960
Speaker 1: I know, we gotta you know, we gotta do that,

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01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:16,400
Speaker 1: and you allow the opening kick for a touchdown And

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01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:18,760
Speaker 1: how many and it wasn't as extreme, but how many

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01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:21,640
Speaker 1: games could you tie that into it? They needed this

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01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:27,600
Speaker 1: game three and out on the first position on the line.

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01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:31,000
Speaker 1: That would never happen. You just never. You have to

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01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:34,360
Speaker 1: take your shots at that game like the King want

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01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:39,520
Speaker 1: them though you want them, would love it, I would

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01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:43,280
Speaker 1: love it. You'd be so mean to Evan. I thought

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01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 1: that was a really great throw and he shut up.

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01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:48,480
Speaker 1: Oh I love them, Okay, took it into my veins.

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01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:53,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. Oh I don't want the back to back

2335
01:56:53,480 --> 01:56:58,680
Speaker 1: league MVP, Like what is wrong with you? People know?

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01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:01,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely not? Um, but I want to get my thought

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01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:04,080
Speaker 1: in before we close. The Vikings game was another one

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01:57:04,160 --> 01:57:06,240
Speaker 1: where I'm like, okay, they I thought they were finally

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01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:08,240
Speaker 1: going to pull it off and then you let a

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01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:12,840
Speaker 1: touchdown to get returned on the last I mean, it's

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01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:14,960
Speaker 1: just and this the last few years when this started coming,

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01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:18,560
Speaker 1: was the best football after Thanksgiving? Nope? No, they sure

2343
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:21,280
Speaker 1: don't know. And somebody all these cracks. Have we got

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01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,480
Speaker 1: to go back to like seventeen for that? Yeah? Their

2345
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:27,080
Speaker 1: record since you know, Thanksgiving over the last few years

2346
01:57:27,240 --> 01:57:29,040
Speaker 1: is a business. Its almost like the Miami miracle kind

2347
01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:31,120
Speaker 1: of kicked it off before they got one last super

2348
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:34,760
Speaker 1: Bowl and it was like five down the stretch. This year,

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01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:39,040
Speaker 1: you the four of you are no on Aaron Rodgers.

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01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm only kidding. I would be. I'm not a no

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01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:45,720
Speaker 1: one rational side of Aaron Rodgers. I just don't like him.

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01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:48,520
Speaker 1: With Bill as a coach, he'd finally win. Yeah, I think,

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01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:51,600
Speaker 1: I mean he wins plenty. He's a journey Yes, I

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01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:55,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't say his personality is why I'm like, no, he's yeah,

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01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:59,080
Speaker 1: my rational side of me. But but if he if

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01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:02,240
Speaker 1: he came here to play with Bill, you know that, Okay,

2357
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:04,800
Speaker 1: he's bought in because he knows what he's gonna be getting.

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01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 1: If he plays for Bills and bills you think there's

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01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:09,960
Speaker 1: a chance that Bill might not be back, and you

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01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:13,360
Speaker 1: still think of Bill in those terms. I don't know

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01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:15,920
Speaker 1: how those two things can co exist. I honestly think

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01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:17,600
Speaker 1: if they had Aaron Rodgers next year, they might want

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01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:21,040
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. That's insane. I think so. I think

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01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:23,440
Speaker 1: so highly of Bill Ball that I think he's going

2365
01:58:23,480 --> 01:58:25,560
Speaker 1: to agree with Robert that changes need to be made.

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01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:28,920
Speaker 1: If it's Aaron Rodgers coming in with like he's gonna

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01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 1: need six other things that you that you think that

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01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:36,520
Speaker 1: they might, then that's you're not gonna just his team

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01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:38,600
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers isn't any better than Green Bay with

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01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:40,280
Speaker 1: Aaron rod No, but you're not gonna just run it

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Speaker 1: back like you're gonna get better. You know you're gonna

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01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:45,000
Speaker 1: try at least to get better. We're gonna bring Higgins.

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01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to do something. And I mean he's

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01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:49,920
Speaker 1: just working on my side of this year. He's gonna

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01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:54,600
Speaker 1: want his wide receiver one like he's gonna want one Adams.

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Speaker 1: I do think Aaron Rodgers. Quite the pair, Quite the pair.

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01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:02,200
Speaker 1: We're going together? No no, no, no no. Yeah, I'd

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01:59:02,240 --> 01:59:03,440
Speaker 1: have to be something, so I are. And I was

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01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:06,200
Speaker 1: thinking about, yeah, that's nice. No over there, Maybe maybe

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01:59:06,200 --> 01:59:09,080
Speaker 1: it's Nathaniel hackn You imagine he brings an out, he

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01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:10,960
Speaker 1: brings an art and ride and says, oh and Matt

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01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:13,440
Speaker 1: Patris is going to be your your quarterback coach. So

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01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:16,800
Speaker 1: he saw my own quarterback coach, is what you're telling me?

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01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:18,760
Speaker 1: That's nope. I saw that guy who Detroit for a

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01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:21,000
Speaker 1: couple of years. Put him in. He would need media training,

2386
01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:24,240
Speaker 1: like every single day, every Stacey would have a heart attack.

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01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:29,120
Speaker 1: That's not a good person. That he made against Miami

2388
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:32,560
Speaker 1: to Marcedes Lewis was yes, the one that he dropped, Yes,

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01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:35,640
Speaker 1: sign me up for that. Oh, he's he's the most

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01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:39,640
Speaker 1: talented thrower. In the end, I said that the last show.

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01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:41,800
Speaker 1: I think he has the best skills that I've seen.

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01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:43,800
Speaker 1: Yea as a thrower. Yeah, you hate him and you

2393
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:46,840
Speaker 1: don't want him here. I don't. I didn't say I

2394
01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:50,120
Speaker 1: don't want him here. Got him out of the corner. Now,

2395
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:52,280
Speaker 1: the rational side of me is different, But you can't

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01:59:52,360 --> 01:59:57,360
Speaker 1: argue that you sound like the greatest skill set that

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01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:59,680
Speaker 1: we've seen does not win anough. I mean, they've had

2398
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:03,160
Speaker 1: the best team in the NFC countless times, owing to

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02:00:03,240 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 1: watch him lose pat lambeau Field to inferior opponents, most

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02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:10,640
Speaker 1: recently last year against San Francisco where they put all

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02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:12,640
Speaker 1: of what ten points on the board, Right, it's not

2402
02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:15,480
Speaker 1: like they lose thirty. Well, he has lost some high

2403
02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:18,240
Speaker 1: scoring games too, But all right, that's gonna be in

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Speaker 1: this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back on Thursday

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02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:30,000
Speaker 1: with our second offseason show, Catch twenty two, ten thirty

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02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 1: on Thursday. Okay, it's okay on video, all right, and

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Speaker 1: then Rook's gonna be after that. Okay, So big day

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