1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Let's face it, the Pirates are going nowhere. Skeins is 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: an appreciating asset, four more years of control after this one, 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:15,079 Speaker 1: and he's never going to sign their long term. 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: Letit the inside scoop with that. Psenior insider Ken Rosendhal can. 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: Good to see you, and let's start with some teams 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: that I think deserves some love, and they got it 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: in your notes column this morning. That's out in the 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: athletic right now. Let us begin with the Saint Louis Cardinals. 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: We're trying to give them more attention this week after 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: they did essentially nothing in the offseason, and they look 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: pretty darn good. So can you give us a summary 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: of what you wrote about with the pros and the 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: cons of how the team is grading out right now? 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: The pros certainly are just what you mentioned, Scott. They're 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: playing really well and it can't necessarily be expected by 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: anyone because of also what you said. They didn't do 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: anything in the offseason. We're trying to trade Arnado. They 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: were talking about a reset or reboot, whatever the term is. 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: That's not rebuild, and here they are. They're right there 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: with the Cubs for the most part, and they've pitched 21 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: extremely well. They've also stayed extremely healthy. So what I 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: wrote about was, for all the good that the rotation 23 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: is doing, rotation is a very low strikeout rate, and 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: with their great defense, and their defense is the best 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: of the league according to outs above average, it can 26 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: mask some of the lack of swing and miss, but 27 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: it can't entirely erase it. So that's a concern. And 28 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: the other concern is, like the Phillies, they have only 29 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: one player, one pitcher on the IL right now. Kind 30 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: of remarkable at this stage of the season they have 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: only one player on the IL and they do. And 32 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: for the Cardinals, the reason that is a concern. Obviously, 33 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: it's a great thing when you're healthy like that, but 34 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: the concern is their lack of depth. They've got Michael 35 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: McGreevey at TRIPLEA. He could step into the rotation at 36 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: some point. They've got Steven mats who they've used as 37 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: a starter a couple of times, but they really don't 38 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: have many reinforcements if a pitcher or two in that 39 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: rotation goes down, and Gray and Michaelis are older guys. 40 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: But that said, offensively, while they don't really hit home runs, 41 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: they crush it with singles and doubles, and they have 42 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: this relentless style. They play the game well and so far, 43 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: so good. It served them really well. 44 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: Did they know going into the season that they didn't 45 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 3: they weren't going to hit home runs? I mean, they 46 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 3: still had Aeronatto. Ernatto is a thirty plus home run 47 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: guy consistently, But did they know that this was going 48 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: to be their mo Like a lot of these guys 49 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 3: are homegrown guys, are they growing guys in the minor 50 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: league saying don't worry about hitting for power. Jordan Walker 51 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: was one of their top prospects, never has had a 52 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: ton of power or elevation in his swing. 53 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: I don't believe they looked at it that way, Eric, 54 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: but I'm not really sure. I haven't asked that question. 55 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: Walker is a guy who, you're right, doesn't have a 56 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: lot of elevation in swing, but you would think can 57 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: develop power. Nolan Gorman has power, but both those guys, 58 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: Walker and Gorman have been struggling for the most part. 59 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: Some of their other players, Victor Scott the second and 60 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: Mason Win They're not going to be power hitters, even 61 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: Brandon Donovan, So they had to assume it to some extent. 62 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: William Contreras obviously has power, but I'm sorry, Wilson Contreras 63 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: obviously has power, as does William, but I don't know 64 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: that they saw themselves the home run team. But what 65 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: they've done is decide, Okay, we're not going to chase 66 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: power because that only makes hitters worse. What we're going 67 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: to do is play to our strengths, and their strengths 68 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: are putting the ball in play and making things happen 69 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: on the basis, and so far they've done a great 70 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: job of that. 71 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: New hitting coach Brent Brown obviously wasn't good as an 72 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: offensive coordinator. Is this his m because he was one 73 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: of the hitting coaches that helped that Marlins team with 74 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: Skip Schumacher making the playoffs. Now this is another team 75 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: that he is heading up the offense and they're overachieving. 76 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: Eric, It's always difficult to fully assess the role of 77 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: a hitting coach and how much impact he can have 78 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: or not have. Bran Brown, though, as you mentioned, has 79 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: had success in those two places in Seattle, it just 80 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: didn't work. He was only there a couple of months 81 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: before they let him go, so you'd have to give 82 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: him some credit. You definitely have to. You can't just 83 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: ignore the contributions of a hitting coach. But hitting is 84 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: so complex, it's so layered, there are so many things 85 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: that go into it. Then even the best hitting coaches 86 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: will tell you there's only so much they can control. 87 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: So Hey, great for Bram Brown and certainly good for 88 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: the Cardinals that this has all happened. How much credit 89 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: he deserves or that versus the development of younger players, 90 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm not. 91 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: Sure, Ken, I want to spin this forward for the Cardinals. 92 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: Obviously we're early for the trade deadline, but if they 93 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: stay in contention like this, do you think that there 94 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: are factors involved that lead them to be more aggressive 95 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: buyers than maybe they should be. And the two factors 96 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: for me that stand out are number one, this is 97 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: the last season that John Mazzelak is really running the 98 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 2: ship for the front office. And number two, I think 99 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: that the Cardinals might be a little less concerned about 100 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: their wind projections for the rest of the season. Let 101 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 2: me give you a quick example. The Orioles in twenty 102 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: twenty two were I think still kind of in the mix, 103 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: and I remember they ended up selling right, Michaelias ended 104 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 2: up selling Trey Mancini, and they got some good names back, 105 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: including Chase McDermott, who hopefully is healthy for them at 106 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 2: some point and contribute. I think they traded Jorge Lopez 107 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: as well, and they might have gotten like yan ner Cano, 108 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: somebody good came back there as well. So you look 109 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: at the long term great, but on the short term, 110 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 2: I was like, really, you don't think you have any chance? 111 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: And I think they were looking at their wind projections. 112 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: Do you think the Cardinals might go the other way 113 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 2: because they might not think like Michaelias does a little 114 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: less computer analytics for a year like this. 115 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: I expect that if they're in contention, this being Mosaillics 116 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,239 Speaker 1: last year, as you mentioned that they will buy Now, 117 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: are they going to expend assets to make a big 118 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: run go all in so to speak? No, I can't 119 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: see them doing that. I would expect that they make 120 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: relatively minor moves. You remember a few years back when 121 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: they acquired John Lester. That was Lane Thomas for John Lester. Now, 122 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,679 Speaker 1: Lane Thomas became a good player, but at the time 123 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: it was not a monster move. It was just a 124 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: move that would upgrade them a little bit. I expect 125 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: that that is what they would do. That is the 126 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: approach that they would take if they fall out of it, 127 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: and or if they are simply in a spot where 128 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: they don't see their playoff odds as being very good. 129 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: And like you said, the wind projections are not where 130 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: you would want them to be. Yes, I could see 131 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: them selling, but I really don't see that happening with them. 132 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: To me, they're going to be buyers, but limited buyers, 133 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: not giving up anything that's going to cost them too 134 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: deeply for the future. 135 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: Ft fam. 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Enter code foul 155 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: and you're all set. 156 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 4: I want to shift gears here a little bit and 157 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 4: talk a little about the Guardians and their needs. You 158 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 4: brought up in your story the other day about outfield needs. 159 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 4: Where do you see this going? Do you see them 160 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: buyers or sellers too as well? I mean they're pretty 161 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 4: good ball club. 162 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: Good segue Todd, because Leie Thomas just came back last night. 163 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: We just were talking about him, and that's a guy 164 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: that they missed. He had a bone bruise in his 165 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: right wrist and he's back in center field and had 166 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: a sack fly last night. I believe he will help them. 167 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: They still have nothing in right field to speak of. 168 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: It's been like a perennial problem for them, and it's 169 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: something that they're hoping to address. David Fry is going 170 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: to come back, but mostly as a DH and they've 171 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: got a prospect named Chase the Lauder who has been 172 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: frequently injured, but he could be someone who helps them 173 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: in the second half as well. I expect they too 174 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: will be buyers, but kind of like the Cardinals, probably 175 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: not willing to expend too much to make a big run. 176 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: They've got Shane Bieber coming back for the rotation. They 177 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: need him and he's on a good track right now, 178 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: so hopefully that goes well. But right now I just 179 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: see them as doing what they normally do, which is 180 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: kind of assessing all aspects of the market and then 181 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: hoping things go okay. 182 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 3: Even after last season, even after how close they got 183 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 3: last season, and they have a powerhouse bullpen, they still 184 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: wouldn't make that move to push them over the limit. 185 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: The Guardians are never going to be in that position, 186 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: and they are a low revenue team that acts according 187 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: to their revenues. Unlike some teams that we criticize for 188 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: not spending enough money, they actually seem to be in 189 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: a position where they can't spend all that much money. 190 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: Could they spend more, Yes, they could spend more, Don't 191 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: get me wrong. But they operate in a pretty restricted way, 192 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: and hey, it served them well. They've done a great 193 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: job with it. But are they going to do something 194 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: monstrous at the deadline. No, that's not what they've normally done. 195 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: Remember a couple of years ago they traded Savali for 196 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: Kyle Manzarto, and Kyle Manzarto at that time was a prospect, 197 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: but he ultimately now is helping them. So I don't 198 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: know what kinds of moves they're going to make. They 199 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: don't have the pitching depth to move a starter right now. 200 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: They need a starter, if anything, need an outfielder as well. 201 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: I would expect them to operate on the margins as 202 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: they generally do and maybe pick up something, but I 203 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: don't know that it's going to be terribly dramatic. 204 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Ken, We've given a lot of attention to the 205 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: Orioles in the past week, warranted with what's going on there. 206 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: I'll also try to spin this one forward. Could they 207 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 2: be the bell of the ball to take a turn 208 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: from fair territory at the trade deadline? You know, you 209 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: have the bottom feeder teams that don't necessarily have many assets, 210 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: and then you just have many teams that are close 211 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: enough in range that it gets weird at the trade 212 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: deadline and you almost feel like they're day to day 213 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: deciding things. The Oriols might be one of those teams 214 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: where it's like, we have assets, we are not good, 215 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: let's load up for next year. So what does that 216 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: look like? 217 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: I totally agree with you, Scott, and they can be 218 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: pretty dramatic buyers, quite honestly. Felix Bautista two years of 219 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: control left beyond this year, making only a million relatively speaking, 220 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: only this year. I would expect that he would be 221 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: someone who could bring something back pretty good. Zach Efln 222 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: potential free agent, Tomoyuki Shigano potential free agent, Cedric Mhens 223 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: potential free agent. All of these players should have some 224 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: appeal in the market for rentals or you got to 225 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: get a ton. Probably not, but they certainly can do 226 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: some things. And I'm not even talking about Ryan Mann, 227 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: Cassel Sir, Anthony Dominguez, Andrew Kittridge. There are a whole 228 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: bunch of players that they could move. Now, how Michaelias 229 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: approaches this could be interesting because I can't imagine he 230 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: wants to take too far a step back, so potential 231 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: free agents would be the way to go here and 232 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: the things that you would most likely trade Batista, maybe 233 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: you're more reluctant, but he can bring them most because 234 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: he's a reliever, under control and affordable. So it's going 235 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: to be interesting. Their situation is one where ultimately their 236 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: window already is closing as their young players get closer 237 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: to free agency. They're not that close yet, but each 238 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: year closer to arbitration, make more money, closer a free 239 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: agency possibly depart and now you're going to take a 240 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: step back. That's going to be difficult for them. But 241 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: at the same time, I don't know what other choice 242 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: that they have, given that they have a number of 243 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: expiring contracts and they're going nowhere. 244 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: You mentioned Sigano. They also mentioned that they wanted to 245 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 3: make a hit in the Japanese market. They wanted to 246 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: make their case for hey, bringing a player over. Good 247 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: way to do that is by bringing a veteran over 248 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 3: and a veteran saying, man, I love playing in Baltimore. 249 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 3: A bad way to do that is I'd love playing 250 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: in Baltimore, but they traded me in July, so I 251 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: had to learn a whole brand new city. 252 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: This is an interesting question too. And I raised this 253 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: in my notes column as well. You're trying to establish 254 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: a footing in that market. He signed Chigano, who's a 255 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: very accomplished pitcher over there, thirty five years old, one 256 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: of their best, and it goes like this, yew. They 257 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: sold him on the quality of the team and the 258 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: idea that they could help him improve. And he's done 259 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: really well. He's been one of their few bright spots. 260 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: But if you trade him, sure it's a dent, and 261 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 1: it raises the question if you're a Japanese player, I 262 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: would imagine, why would I go there? This is a 263 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: situation that is not as good as even Chigano thought. 264 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: So there is that, but there's also the reality that 265 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: why would you keep him? Just to keep him if 266 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: you're going to lose eighty to ninety to one hundred games, 267 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: that doesn't make much sense either. So I can see 268 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: the logic for trading him, but the whole experience not 269 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: playing well as a team him ultimately perhaps getting traded, 270 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: that's not exactly the way to plant the flag over 271 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: in Japan. 272 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 2: A couple fan questions on your way out here, Ken, 273 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: I'll go to the Blue Jays, Reagan says, where will 274 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: book is bobashek get traded to I'll counter that and say, 275 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: do we really think Bobashet's going to get traded? I 276 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: imagine the Blue Jays are going to hold on for 277 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: dear life, and they have to be really far out 278 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 2: of it if they are going to be sellers at 279 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: the deadline. They're in second place in the division right now, 280 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 2: they're within striking distance of a wild card, and ken 281 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: that probably will be the case the rest of the 282 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: ride here. The American League is not as strong as 283 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: the NL, so you can be five hundred and probably 284 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 2: be in striking distance. 285 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: They're over five hundred right now. They just swept Seattle 286 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: in San Diego. Two good teams, and they have been 287 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: talking as a team. If you read the articles about 288 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: the Jays as if the vibe is better, they are 289 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: more I don't know the right word to describe it, 290 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: but they're in a better place overall. They just feel 291 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: good about themselves. They feel like they're not out of 292 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: any game. All these cliches that you always hear, so 293 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: for them, it's put up a shut up because this 294 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: is Bashett's last year and I don't see them selling 295 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: unless they absolutely fall out of it. Remember, they were 296 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: adamant about keeping Bashette and Guerrero when he was unsigned, 297 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: and they ultimately signed Guerrero. They didn't want to ever 298 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: give up on this season. So I don't expect them 299 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: to give up on this season unless something goes really wrong. 300 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 4: I want to ask a little bit here. It's been 301 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 4: going around. It's been circling around baseball, whether it's true 302 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 4: or not. Paul Skein's traded, likely or unlikely? What do 303 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 4: you think? What have you heard? Is this just all nothing? 304 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: Unlikely? And the general manager of the Pirates, Ben Sherrington, 305 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: said yesterday to reporters that no, it's not even something 306 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: that's in their thought process. The reason it's going around 307 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: is because writers like myself are speculating. And let's face it, 308 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: the Pirates are going nowhere. Skeins is a depreciating asset, 309 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: four more years of control after this one, and he's 310 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: never going to sign their long term so you wonder 311 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: when the right time is. But for a variety of 312 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: reasons that I discussed on Fair Territory yesterday I mentioned 313 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: in my column today, I just can't see it happening. 314 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: One reason is Sherrington's status beyond this season is clear 315 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: he very well could lose his job. And if he's 316 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: going to lose his job, and if that thought is 317 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: in the owner's head, Bob Nutting, well why would you 318 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: trust him to trade your franchise pitcher? That doesn't make 319 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: much sense. The other part of his or the other 320 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: two parts of it are matching up in value. Skeens 321 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: has extreme value. Remember Jan Soto was traded with three 322 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: pennant races remaining, and you know what he brought back 323 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: along with Josh Bell to the Washington Nationals, Gore and 324 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: Wood and CJ. Abrams, plus Skeens has five pennant races remaining. 325 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: It would take that much more to get him, and 326 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: I don't know many teams that could do it. And finally, 327 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: the message they would sends an organization. Even if you 328 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: could make a great trade for Paul Steen's their fans, 329 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: They're dealing with their seventh straight losing season. So how 330 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: many you going to lose in a row losing seasons 331 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: until this team finally is good again. Now what they 332 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: should do, and I mentioned this as well, is build 333 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: around Skeens. But of course, with Bob Notting is their owner, 334 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: I have zero faith that that's going to happen. 335 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're in a tough spot, all right. Last one, 336 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: this is super Chat. It's a follow up to this 337 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 2: on Charrington. Daniel, who's an avid Fair Territory watcher and listener, said, 338 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: if the Pirates do end up switching GMS, he said, 339 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 2: he's pleading can it be from a small market team, 340 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: saying we need someone who's done this before, and that 341 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: Charrington was coming from bigger markets. Do you think that's 342 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: a factor in a case like this or in my mind, 343 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: the Pirates are such a unique situation because you're just 344 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 2: not able to partake in free agency. So even for 345 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 2: the teams that tank, like even the I mean the Guardians, 346 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 2: they're Rays, right, Guardians picking up Carlos Santana, Ray's picking 347 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: up Hassan Kim this offseason. Those are decent sized deals 348 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: at least for one season. The Pirates rarely even play 349 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: ball like that. 350 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: That's true. When I heard the question that you were 351 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: just mentioning, Scott, I immediately thought of the Marlins, and 352 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: the Marlins are somewhat similar to the Pirates that don't 353 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: play in free agent, and what did they do when 354 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: they needed a new GM? They went to Peter Bendix, 355 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: who of course came from the Rays. I do expect 356 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: or believe I should say that the best solution for 357 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: them would be a GM with small market experience. And 358 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: it's not that Ben Sherrington couldn't do that. I know 359 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: he worked in Boston and Toronto before, but he certainly 360 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: was capable. But that said, if you have that background, 361 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: if you're used to operating on the margins, if you're 362 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: used to relying on drafting and development, as Sherrington has 363 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: tried to be but just has not succeeded with, then 364 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: I think you would have that much more of an 365 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: advantage if you just know the landscape a little bit better. 366 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: So I'm not saying they should hire from the Marlins 367 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,239 Speaker 1: or necessarily even the Rays, but it would seem to 368 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: me that if you could get a bright person from 369 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: one of those types of clubs, a smaller market, lower 370 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: revenue team, that would probably be the way to go, 371 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: unless there's somebody with one of the larger markets that 372 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: is is so good you think he could do it 373 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: for you under the crazy restrictions that they were under. 374 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 2: Again, great stuff. Enjoy your Dodgers Mets game and call 375 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 2: with AJ long for the ride on Fox on Saturday 376 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: on this holiday winter weekend in the Northeast. If you know, 377 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: you know, bundle up. I'll be outside a lot this 378 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 2: weekend too, and not pleased about it, but it is 379 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: what it is. Ken, Thanks, guys. What's the beef? Nothing 380 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 2: like a good, good steak with some red You know 381 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 2: that one looks a little too rare for me. I 382 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: don't even know if that one was cooked that was 383 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: on the screen. But anyway, yeah, it's not Let's get 384 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: to this interesting, sir. There's been some Yeah, there's been 385 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: some lawsuits this week. What do you think about this one? 386 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: Guys? 387 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: And I think, did you play with Darren ruff Kratz? 388 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: You did? Okay? 389 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 3: Bushes and yep, okay. 390 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: So he's suing the Cincinnati Reds over what he calls 391 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: a career injury at Great American Ballpark. He's claiming that 392 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 2: when he crashed into an uncovered tarp roller at the 393 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: ballpark two years ago, it caused permanent and substantial deformities 394 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 2: to his knee. He went on the sixty day il, 395 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: never played in the major leagues again. Did attempt to 396 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 2: come back I think the next spring training, but never 397 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: made it. 398 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 3: Back. 399 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: I don't think there's past president on anything like this, 400 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: and I was trying to read as much as I could. 401 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 2: I'm no lawyer, but the lawsuit filed in Ohio charges 402 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: that the team had negligence and failing to maintain safe 403 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 2: field conditions and specifically cites the presence of the unpadded 404 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: metal tarp roller. We're actually showing you the exact play 405 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: and it looks covered but not padded. So I want 406 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 2: to hear player perspective on what you expect. Obviously none 407 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: of us are going to be able to chime in 408 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: too much on the lawsuit side of things, but what 409 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: you expect on the field, I mean, Kratz, I'll bring 410 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: this up too before you jumper judge. What was it 411 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: two three years ago? Missus half the season after there 412 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 2: wasn't full padding in the outfield that I think Dodger Stadium. 413 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: I know Bryce Harper's gotten pretty messed up early on 414 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 2: in his career somewhere where it was like very unpadded 415 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: against the out of town scoreboard. So can you pat everything? 416 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 2: I mean, we're not playing in a bubble. And do 417 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 2: you like which side of the story here do you 418 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 2: feel is more warranted. 419 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna go on the side of rough 420 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 3: side of the story, Like, we're not talking about Aaron 421 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 3: Judge slamming through a wall that he bent, well, I 422 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 3: mean the door that he bent and then his toe 423 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 3: hit the concrete. Like that's almost it's almost impossible. We're 424 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 3: talking about something like I wasn't Slade Heath got come 425 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 3: up with it for me, Scott the prospect who got 426 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 3: traded from the Front Valley yanked Dustin Fowler. Dustin, We're 427 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 3: talking about a an electrical box that wasn't padded and 428 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: essentially ruined his career. Yes, he had to hit when 429 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 3: he came back, and he didn't, but you're talking about 430 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 3: a speed guy with a lot of potential. This is 431 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 3: this is this kind of situation that should have been 432 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 3: padded covered. The tarp is always there. The tarp is 433 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 3: an obstruction that the Dodgers don't even have a tarp 434 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 3: on their field. Obviously they don't need it very much, 435 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 3: but it is out there all the time. It needs 436 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 3: to be. Players need to be protected, and this has 437 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 3: negotiated all that stuff. So to me, I don't see, 438 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 3: I don't see how he doesn't win this suit. But 439 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 3: obviously I don't know medical issues, I don't know law issues, 440 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 3: but a player should not get injured on something that 441 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 3: is in almost every ballpark. 442 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: Hold up before todd father goes, I don't think we've 443 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: seen past president of anyone winning this, and if it does, 444 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: you are opening up Pandora's box. I'm not trying to 445 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: defend the other side. I'm just like presenting a case 446 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: here of what I read. I mean, fans, players, anybody 447 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: right can bring up anything and say this caused a 448 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: problem for me. You know, I know it has to 449 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: be reasonable, but there are other cases, and that even 450 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: includes fal balls, right. 451 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: I mean, the league has put up netting, but you. 452 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: Can get hit by a baseball and there have been 453 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: one or two deaths in that case in the past 454 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 2: what ten twenty years, And I don't think there was 455 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 2: much to it in the court of law. And they 456 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: try and put the warnings out there and say we're. 457 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 3: Doing the best. 458 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 2: They I mean, you don't think there's any types of warnings. 459 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: And also just like when you're playing that you can 460 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: get hurt in many different scenarios. 461 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was gonna get hurt in different scenarios, 462 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: like if you step on a sprinkler head or something 463 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 3: like that. Now the sprinklers it's not the same. But yeah, 464 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 3: I guess, I guess. I guess there's no precedent of 465 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 3: somebody getting But to me, why would there not be 466 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: some type of padded petion Because if you hit the 467 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 3: tarp area, if you hit the tarp of the tarp 468 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 3: that's rolled up, you would be fine, it could hurt. 469 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 3: But a metal shard that slices your knee cap a 470 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 3: little different. 471 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, And honestly, I don't even remember this happening. That's 472 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 4: as terrible as that sounds. I don't even remember this happening. 473 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 4: But you know, I know Darren Ruff was a beast. 474 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 4: This guy could play. He's talking about permanent and substantial 475 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 4: deformities to his knees. So that's a big that's that's 476 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,719 Speaker 4: the claim there, so that he has substantial evidence for 477 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 4: sure if he's got permanent and substantial deformities. I'm no lawyer. 478 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 4: I don't know anything about that stuff. But when you 479 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 4: hear permanent and deformities, for me, I guess you know, 480 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 4: it's something that you have to try out. It's something 481 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 4: it's very hard to figure out. It's the weirdest thing 482 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 4: because baseball's are crazy sport. You don't think of contact 483 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 4: the time. You know, if he would have went maybe 484 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 4: two inches to his right or left, like what it 485 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 4: changed anything. So it's that's the tough part. I feel 486 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 4: bad for him. I just feel for the guy right now, 487 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 4: you know, because he still probably wants to play even 488 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 4: though he's an older cat at the end of the day. 489 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know what happens next. But I know, 490 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 4: you know this is this is gonna go on for 491 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 4: a little bit. 492 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to hear legal perspective because with cases 493 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 2: like this, they are looking at the past. They are 494 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: looking at things that we just don't have a lot 495 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: degrees for. Just from my take, Crat, I still think 496 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: it's gonna be a tough case, even though yeah, I'm 497 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,719 Speaker 2: on his side, Like it's not difficult to put padding 498 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 2: on a tarp. It should be pretty common sense. And 499 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: also it takes up a huge chunk of foul territory. 500 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 2: But I don't know, you could start to really nitpick. Hey, 501 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 2: there was a divot in the grass, I stepped in 502 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 2: it wrong. I shredded up my knee. 503 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: They should have cleaned that up unforesetated. You couldn't see 504 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 3: that coming. You can see that the tarp has a 505 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: sharp end or a padded end to it. Ultimately, it's 506 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 3: probably gets settled out of court, no no proceeding or 507 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 3: no whatever judgment comes down so that there is no 508 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 3: past precedent moving forward. 509 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: I don't want to make it like I'm not on 510 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: Darren's side, so I am on his side right like 511 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: put padding where you should put patting so guys don't 512 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: get hurt. But I don't know. I just know it's 513 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 2: tough with cases like this, and I feel like I've 514 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,479 Speaker 2: seen only fans trying to stay the case about an issue, 515 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 2: and maybe it gets settled so we just don't know 516 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 2: about it. It gets settled out of court. I do 517 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 2: think often people look at things and say, especially if 518 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: you're a team, do I really want to go at 519 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 2: it with a former player in public, pay for the lawyers, whatever. 520 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 2: And also if you do and you do lose, that's 521 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: when you do open up Pandora's box. So anyway, maybe 522 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 2: we can bring on Darren or a lawyer or somebody 523 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 2: like that to try and get more info on. 524 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 3: This, like like the Rockies player who got hit by 525 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: a foul ball and assuing the team because he got 526 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 3: hit by a foul ball and he said they weren't 527 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 3: worth watching and paying attention to the game. So it's dangerous. 528 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 2: That's a real thing. 529 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: By the way, that was a real story this week. 530 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 2: That's also a tough case. If you're in court so much, 531 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: I don't want to watch them. Yeah, it got attention 532 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: because of that. 533 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: That's why it hit some headlines.