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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 2: a sibling.

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Speaker 1: Reval No, no, sibling, you don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 2: Revelry.

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Speaker 1: That's good. I'm really excited about this. Reveler revel in it.

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Speaker 2: Revel in it. We need to do a revel in

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Speaker 2: it interest.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm all, are this is your this is

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Speaker 1: my I brought Abby on board.

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Speaker 2: Right, and and you know, for those who might not

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Speaker 2: know or understand in this news, are you turning.

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Speaker 3: This into a competition?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, but I'm not. I'm not because I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not. But my point is that the revel in

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Speaker 2: it are the people who.

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Speaker 3: We, yeah, who were into.

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Speaker 2: Or even if we're.

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Speaker 1: About writer, we see and we're like, I want to

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Speaker 1: talk to that person, right.

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Speaker 2: And we each have our own lists that we're trying

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Speaker 2: to get, so, yeah, like, this is your revel is

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Speaker 2: this is.

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Speaker 1: What my revel? Gabby Burnstein different, she's a manifestor I

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Speaker 1: did she so? My My girlfriend Jen introduced me to her,

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Speaker 1: not personally, but just through her work and she had

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Speaker 1: this thing called a manifesting challenge and it was years ago,

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Speaker 1: I think before I met Danny, or maybe it was

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Speaker 1: the year that I met Danny or something, but it

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Speaker 1: was all she does this thing in the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the year where you go and you do this whole

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Speaker 1: manifesting thing, which then led me to her books since

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Speaker 1: she's all about you know, spiritual teachings and her path

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Speaker 1: and she's a very interesting life which we'll learn about.

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Speaker 1: But in these revel in its, we just want to

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Speaker 1: really talk to people that are inspiring or could inspire other.

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Speaker 2: People and have inspired us and inspired one way or another.

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Speaker 1: And I love manifesting as a practice.

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Speaker 2: Well I'm excited because manifesting for me, I'm a little

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Speaker 2: skeptical because I have to find the word a little

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Speaker 2: bit more meaning. You know, manifests like a jewel and

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Speaker 2: it comes out of your ear, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: But levels to manifestations.

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Speaker 1: Is the great manifesto.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: Come on, what if Baba just like showed up right

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Speaker 1: now and he's like, Oliver, no, I mean, here, here's

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Speaker 1: a jewel.

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Speaker 2: Like I love. I believe in magic of sorts.

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Speaker 1: I gotchat.

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Speaker 2: I believe in the power of positive thinking. I believe

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Speaker 2: in positive affirmation. But I don't know I'm gonna if

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Speaker 2: I wanted to manifest a job like I've been trying.

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Speaker 1: Like you should have asked, Gabby, is that is that

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Speaker 1: is not the definition of manifesting. But but we could

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Speaker 1: get into that with Gabby's anyway, here, this is our

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Speaker 1: this ret.

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Speaker 3: Open the door.

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Speaker 2: We should do a door found.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Gabby, you are a number one New York Times

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Speaker 1: bestselling author. You are a motivational speaker, you are a

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Speaker 1: spiritual leader. Talk to us, give us a little bit

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Speaker 1: of background as to like how you started this path

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Speaker 1: and like what was the first thing where you're like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I want to help people live their

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Speaker 1: best life?

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Speaker 2: And did you graduate college?

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Speaker 3: I graduated college with a BFA and theater and definitely

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Speaker 3: did not need to go to college. Let's start with that.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with that. I was like being taught to

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Speaker 3: breathe throughout college, and I was way too young to

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Speaker 3: be understanding how to breathe at that time, So college

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Speaker 3: was a bust for me. So I've I think that

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Speaker 3: do the work that I do now be a spiritual

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Speaker 3: teacher in whatever form. When I was fourteen, Okay, so

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Speaker 3: I was at the time the president of the regional

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Speaker 3: youth group at my temple, and I recall feeling very

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Speaker 3: called to lead these weekends, Like we would do these

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Speaker 3: and really lit up about the spirituality, not particularly the religion,

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Speaker 3: of reminds me of what I think of your mom. Like,

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Speaker 3: but Mom's like super zany major hippie like would bring

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Speaker 3: me to the ashrums. When I was younger, I was

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Speaker 3: named by the gurus, I was taught how to meditate.

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Speaker 3: She would shut the door, an incense would be pouring

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Speaker 1: That's not far off, far off, right, Like she was

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Speaker 1: raised Jewish and then became a Buddhist.

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Speaker 3: Like that's pretty much. Yeah, that's pretty much what I would.

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Speaker 2: Have to India for twenty five years, has hit up

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Speaker 2: And I was married by yeah right, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah we are. We are cut from the same cloth here.

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Speaker 3: And so that seed was planted at a really young age,

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Speaker 3: I had this beautiful spiritual foundation of learning how to

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Speaker 3: then I turned my back on that for probably my

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Speaker 3: early adolescence and most into my high school and college,

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Speaker 3: and I started to try to numb out some of

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Speaker 3: the depression and anxiety. And I, just like a normal teenager,

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Speaker 3: by the time I was twenty five. The beautiful thing

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Speaker 3: recognized that this path of looking outside of myself wasn't

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Speaker 3: so I got sober eighteen years ago and then really

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Speaker 2: But do you think do you think the reason that

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Speaker 2: you sort of were Trump was trying were trying to

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Speaker 2: you know, just how sensitive you are, meaning as far

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Speaker 2: as your intuition goes, as far as how you're taking

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Speaker 2: like very like my intuition and I just my empathy.

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Speaker 2: then that's what my anxiety has stemmed from, amongst other things.

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Speaker 2: And it's easy to sort of smoke a bunch of

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: The other is all of the above. I too felt

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Speaker 3: a lot. I also think, yes, having that kind of

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Speaker 3: overwhelming for me. But I also didn't know why I

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Speaker 3: control my life, or whatever it was. But the addiction

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Speaker 3: And it was when I was thirty six that I

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Speaker 3: And that memory was horrific and terrifying, And if anyone

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Speaker 3: I explained why I was afraid of being in my body,

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Speaker 1: So as you were going through this process, were you

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Speaker 1: aware did your life sort of immediately start to shift

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Speaker 3: I think, oh, no, it was happening simultaneous. Like by

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Speaker 3: So everything that came before that memory was exactly as

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Speaker 1: Take take our our listeners or we were called what

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Speaker 1: were we calling them our revelers?

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Speaker 2: There's ten of them.

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Speaker 1: I want to get to the I want people to

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Speaker 1: what are those key principles that you really you know,

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Speaker 1: if someone was coming to being, like how do I

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Speaker 2: And maybe we can fold this into it because I'm

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Speaker 2: interested in we already skipped through eight times bestsellers in

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Speaker 2: Oprah being your best Friend? Like how did we get there?

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Speaker 2: Like what was the moment you know where it's like,

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: Like it actually brings me back to a question that

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Speaker 3: Kate had asked earlier, and I was going to answer it.

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Speaker 3: You were like, well, when did you know that you

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Speaker 3: were meant to do this? And I always knew when

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Speaker 3: I was fourteen years old, when I was when I

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Speaker 3: whoever was I was like, yeah, nice fucking try. And

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Speaker 3: I have a mantra that I live by. It's this

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Speaker 3: how I teach, That's how I do it. I go first,

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Speaker 3: I say, hey, I've lived through addiction. Okay, here's how

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's a predestined When we were talking,

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Speaker 2: Drunk and smacked you in your face and you were like.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like that was like its intoxicated free will.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm in the wrong work.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody if they're tuned in to like their

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Speaker 2: It must feel so gratifying to help so many people,

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Speaker 3: You should talk about it here whatever you're ready.

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Speaker 2: Too many times I talked about it on the podcast

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Speaker 3: You know, I think that it's not about how many

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Speaker 3: and as a result, our change ignites change in others period.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into the nuts and bolts of this a

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Speaker 3: That actually is the first step them coming and saying

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Speaker 3: Sometimes people are forced into recovery, but that often doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: Yet yeah, it's like those small steps. I'm always like

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Speaker 3: And I think also what you're saying is that whatever

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Speaker 3: And it's those moments where we just literally can't breathe

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, well, it's funny you say that,

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Speaker 3: Are you ready for us?

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Speaker 3: If you dig it and if you're into it.

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Speaker 3: So one of the things is that everyone has that wish, right.

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Speaker 3: So I took all those little small things and it

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Speaker 3: put them actually started the Gabby Coaching app, and I'm

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Speaker 3: I say to them, Even if you just open the

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Speaker 3: the consistency and sort of the repetition. I'm studying Spanish

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Speaker 3: Exactly, so you you know, sort of Spanish and and

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Speaker 3: this app as sort of the self help dual lingo. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so like the less little less gamification. But you get

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Speaker 3: Meditation for you for anxiety. And the thing is there's

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Speaker 3: this whole section called the get Gabby section where you

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Speaker 3: can literally go in and it's like get Gabby and

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Speaker 3: in the section there's like feeling anxious is the first one,

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Speaker 3: and it's a two minute practice for anxiety. I can

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Speaker 3: teach it to today too, and then there's you know,

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Speaker 3: want to pick up a drink? Get Gabby.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: This woman told me the other day that her daughter

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Speaker 3: was like sixteen, having anxiety. They've been using the app together,

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Speaker 3: and then her daughter was like screaming in the middle

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Speaker 3: that I think she was having a nightmare. And her

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Speaker 3: mother goes in and she was like half awake, half asleep,

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Speaker 3: and she was like, get Gabby. I was like, and

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Speaker 3: then I think that she did. I like, I literally

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Speaker 3: she'd turn on a meditation. They're going back to sleep.

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Speaker 3: But the point, the point is is that I wanted

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Speaker 3: to democratize these tools and make them like the duo

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Speaker 3: lingo for self help, because why should someone just because

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Speaker 3: they have the resources and the you know, the and

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Speaker 3: the ability to go to Hoffman, right, or the privilege

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Speaker 3: of being able to go to a Hoffman or the

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Speaker 3: resources to have a therapist or a life coach or whatever,

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Speaker 3: or even get into a yoga class. I mean, so

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Speaker 3: many people don't have that, and so to be able

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Speaker 3: to make this more accessible to people is my intention.

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Speaker 3: And those small right actions and staying consistent with them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you did your sort of like do you

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Speaker 1: still do your New Year's kind of You've.

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Speaker 3: Been talking to Jen, haven't you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I did it with Jen one year.

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Speaker 3: You did it. I think I think that Jen Meyer

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Speaker 3: is my pro bono publicist. I mean probably all of ms. Frankly,

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Speaker 3: she loves people and she is just the most one

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Speaker 3: of the most beautiful humans I've ever met. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I know she loves My manifesting challenge that's coming up

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Speaker 3: that it's actually in the app, so I'll give it

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Speaker 3: to you, give you that you can do it in

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Speaker 3: the app now, but it's it's twenty one days, which

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Speaker 3: hopefully would give somebody that inspiration to keep going.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the manifesting challenge challenge. This is

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Speaker 1: fun sort of take Oliver and our listeners through, like

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Speaker 1: what what that is? So at the beginning of the year,

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Speaker 1: you do the Manifesting Challenge and it's basically I mean,

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Speaker 1: you explain it. I could explain it, but you explain it.

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Speaker 3: I love that you did it.

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Speaker 1: Yeay.

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Speaker 3: January first is the first day of the year, and

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Speaker 3: it's a time when we're super primed and we're ready

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Speaker 3: and we're wanting to show up for ourselves. So I've

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Speaker 3: forever for about four or five years now, I've done

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Speaker 3: a twenty one day Manifesting Challenge. And it's small, like

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Speaker 3: five six, seven, maybe sometimes ten minute audio lessons followed

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Speaker 3: by some journaling prompts. Sometimes there's little things where you'll like,

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Speaker 3: you know, write a letter to the universe and bury it,

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Speaker 3: and there's like little actionable things. But it's it's fun

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Speaker 3: and it's actionable, but super deep. Like everything I do

496
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Speaker 3: is deep. It's it's it's just I'm a very good translator.

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Speaker 3: I'm really good at demystifying big things. So I am

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Speaker 3: a deep spiritual teacher who's really good at making complicated

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Speaker 3: things simple. And so that's what I'll do with these

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Speaker 3: these challenges, and it takes these concepts of really helping

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Speaker 3: you recondition your thinking and claim you're yes, what are

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Speaker 3: you a yes for? And open up to shifting your

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Speaker 3: energy and meditating on a vision and one day to time,

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Speaker 3: this cumulative effect of really owning what you desire, becoming

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Speaker 3: unapologetic about what you desire, bringing momentum to that desire,

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Speaker 3: bringing spiritual connection into your life. And people have reported

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Speaker 3: the most unbelievable results from the challenge, things like manifesting

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Speaker 3: babies and green cards and relationships and jobs, and even

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Speaker 3: some people reporting back like I lost my job and

510
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Speaker 3: that was the best manifestation ever because it put me

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Speaker 3: on the path of my purpose. And really the most

512
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Speaker 3: valuable results often are just the people that are like,

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Speaker 3: I feel spiritually connected.

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Speaker 1: Now. Now for those who are skeptical about manifestation, because

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Speaker 1: I get that a lot, because I feel like I

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Speaker 1: feel like I've manifested everything in my life, but just

517
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Speaker 1: based in my almost almost like my personality profile, but

518
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Speaker 1: also because I'm very intentional in the things that I do.

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Speaker 1: So but when people are skeptical about manifestation, how do

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Speaker 1: you explain it to them? How do you define manifesting

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Speaker 1: to them.

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Speaker 3: Simply put, every thought that we have has energy behind it.

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Speaker 3: So if you're thinking a high vibrational thought, you're elevating

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Speaker 3: your energy. You're elevating the energy of the people around you.

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Speaker 3: When you elevate the energy of the people around you,

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Speaker 3: you create more possibilities in your life. You attract more

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Speaker 3: people to you, you attract opportunities for employment, just you're

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Speaker 3: fun to be around. The more fun you have, the

529
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Speaker 3: more joy you bring, the more you connect to what

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Speaker 3: we all have, which is our super attractor power. And

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Speaker 3: that power is in all of us. We just either

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Speaker 3: block it or embrace it and magnify it. And so

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Speaker 3: we block it when we're addiction or in judgment or

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Speaker 3: in really just unhealthy states. And it's not that even

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Speaker 3: in the darkest moments, we can still be using manifesting principles.

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Speaker 3: Right So, at twenty five getting clean and sober, I

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Speaker 3: wanted to get clean. Was I manifesting a life beyond

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Speaker 3: my wildest dreams within the first ninety days of my recovery. No,

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Speaker 3: But what I was manifesting at that time was sobriety. Right. So,

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Speaker 3: in any no matter what our circumstances are, and this

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Speaker 3: may be really controversial, but even in the darkest moments,

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Speaker 3: you have examples like you have Gandhi or individuals who

543
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Speaker 3: have lived through extreme circumstances but have had extreme impact

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Speaker 3: because of the thought forms that they've chosen. Now, that's

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Speaker 3: not how I look for some of us who have

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Speaker 3: the privileges of being able to live these amazing lives

547
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Speaker 3: and have all of it in front of us. We

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Speaker 3: owe it to those who don't to really elevate our thoughts,

549
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Speaker 3: to elevate our energy, to enjoy our our lives. And

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Speaker 3: again it happens, it's available to us even when we're

551
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Speaker 3: in those dark moments. So it's proactively and consciously healing

552
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Speaker 3: our belief systems because we manifest what we believe. And

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Speaker 3: so we as we heal, as we go to Hoffmann,

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Speaker 3: as we listen to this episode, as we read a

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Speaker 3: self help book, or do a manifesting challenge, or commit

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Speaker 3: to twenty thirty days of yoga practice, whatever that may be,

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Speaker 3: we're committing to a new thought form. We're reprogramming the

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Speaker 3: neural pathways in our brain.

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Speaker 1: We're changing, right, and now we know that those are science.

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Speaker 1: It's not science.

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Speaker 2: Science science, right, Well, the manifesting part. Look, I go

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Speaker 2: both ways with this stuff. Like when I am in

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Speaker 2: like a sort of that dark hole that you're talking about,

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Speaker 2: the negativity sort of shifts or it comes into more

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Speaker 2: into my right into my face, right, and you think, oh,

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Speaker 2: everyone says, we'll just think positively, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: manifest this manifest that I'm like, Okay, that's a.

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Speaker 3: Fuck you to who's having a biochemical.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. But when I

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Speaker 2: do start to come out, I understand that letting go

571
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Speaker 2: really sort of just allows you to feel more at

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Speaker 2: ease in the day, and you're looking at things and

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Speaker 2: being having gratitude towards things that you normally wouldn't have,

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Speaker 2: which that in turn is being a positive person, and

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Speaker 2: your energy is better, it's bigger, it's out there right,

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Speaker 2: understand that I can feel that. But part of me, though,

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Speaker 2: is like with the manifest like, how come everyone's not rich?

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Speaker 2: How come everyone you know? How many humany you know?

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Speaker 2: But you know how many people think positively and try

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Speaker 2: to manifest and bring good things to them and really

581
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Speaker 2: and it just doesn't fucking happen. Right, So there's eight

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Speaker 2: billions of people in the world, there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: manifesting that's not happening.

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Speaker 3: There's two things. There's two questions. So first of all,

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Speaker 3: I think that what you're saying about having when someone's

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Speaker 3: having a biochemical condition like getting disorder or depression, to

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Speaker 3: say to that person, meditate or think better thoughts, that's

588
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Speaker 3: literally like the biggest fuck you to that person. And

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Speaker 3: so for me, I didn't understand that until I lived it.

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Speaker 3: I lived I had suicidal postpartum depression, which really just

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Speaker 3: magnified an anxiety disorder that I didn't even that had

592
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Speaker 3: been managing for so many years. And so while I

593
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Speaker 3: was not able to really tune into my super attractor

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Speaker 3: power in the darkest moment of my life, what I

595
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Speaker 3: could do was consistently lean into I want to get

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Speaker 3: more help. I want to get more help. And as

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Speaker 3: I started to consistently open my heart to more and

598
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Speaker 3: more help, I manifested help. And so even though you

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Speaker 3: may think, Okay, well I'm in this dark moment, but

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Speaker 3: I'm not manifesting, Well, what are you trying to manifest?

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Speaker 3: You can't be at your lowest load trying to manifest

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Speaker 3: like complete and utter transformation. You can manifest help you're.

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Speaker 1: Like, God, I'm really depressed, Like I want to manifest

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Speaker 1: Rolls Royce.

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Speaker 2: I did when I was I think when I was

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Speaker 2: doing Namo Hold and get Coo and I was Doingddhism

607
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Speaker 2: and I was in that world for six months with

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Speaker 2: my ex girl friend Vanessa. Eventually I was going all

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Speaker 2: these meetings. I'm like, I don't like this. Someone's like,

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Speaker 2: do you want like a new roles just say, I'm

611
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Speaker 2: not joking. That happened all the time.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're going the wrong meetings.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of like bs spirituality out there,

614
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Speaker 3: and so you can get people in the door. When

615
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Speaker 3: you say manifesting, you say the law of attraction. You

616
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Speaker 3: tell people about the power that they have. But my

617
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Speaker 3: intention isn't to teach people magic tricks. My attention is

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Speaker 3: to teach people how to change the way that they feel.

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Speaker 3: The simplest thing is when you change how you feel,

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Speaker 3: that's how you change your life.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean I think sometimes the brain when

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Speaker 1: when you know, I think some teachers will say, when

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Speaker 1: you desire an outcome, if you focus on that outcome, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, keep focusing on that outcome. I want to

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Speaker 1: be let's just let's just say I want to be

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Speaker 1: a of I want to be a Nobel Piece Prize winner.

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Speaker 1: I want to be a Nobel I want to win

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Speaker 1: a Nobel prize. I want to win it. I want

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Speaker 1: to What happens is is that as you start doing

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Speaker 1: certain manifestation practices kind of veers you away from this

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Speaker 1: concept and and what it should be doing. If you're

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Speaker 1: with either the right teacher or you're doing the right

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Speaker 1: you're inside of the practice in the right way, is

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Speaker 1: that all of a sudden it leans you into the

635
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Speaker 1: things in your life that you that you do need

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Speaker 1: more of, like oh, like I want to be more

637
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: open and curious, or like I want to read more.

638
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: I want I oh, I'm actually far more interested in

639
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: reading this book than I am watching this program on television.

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Speaker 1: It starts to shift the focuses, and then that endgame

641
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Speaker 1: prize isn't what you're manifesting. You're actually manifesting a better

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00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: way for you, a desire to live. I think that's

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Speaker 1: I think that's because this idea like oh, I'm going

644
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Speaker 1: to manifest like the great you know, like ultimate wealth,

645
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Speaker 1: Like that's not what it's gonna You're not you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I know people do try to do that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's That's sort of where the skepticism

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Speaker 1: of this concept of manifestation. When you say, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to manifest, manifesting is this idea that you know,

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Speaker 1: when you think of something, when you put when you

651
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Speaker 1: put the this is my own personal relationship to it,

652
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Speaker 1: when you put it in a momentum to move forward,

653
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Speaker 1: it's telling your brain, oh, this is the direction in

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Speaker 1: which we're moving. And when you say I need help,

655
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: that's the direction in which your brain starts to move.

656
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: And I'm playing Devil's advocate, meaning I practice all of

657
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: these things, you know, But at the same time, I'm

658
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: a realist and a spiritualist. If that's even a word.

659
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: You manifested your boat, well, I just asked a lot.

660
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: But my point, though, is just more of a realistic

661
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: look at it. When you have this many people in

662
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: the world who are trying to manifest and who are

663
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: who are doing it, you know, but the best intentions

664
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: and it just isn't working, you know what I mean,

665
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: They're not.

666
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: I think that really the secretive manifesting is to forget

667
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: what you think you need and really focus on how

668
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 3: you feel. Because when we are in a space that's

669
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: free inside, and we feel unburdened from our past, and

670
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: we've done the work, the inner work, to heal that

671
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 3: wreckage from our past and to come out the other side.

672
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 3: That's when we reclaim who we really are. We reclaim

673
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,479
Speaker 3: that innocence that we were born with, because when we're born,

674
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 3: we're really we're born into this world and then we

675
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: pick up all of these different experiences that some of

676
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: which are super extreme. Some are more extreme than others,

677
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 3: but they're still extreme nevertheless, and they become these feelings

678
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: that we just try to manage and override for the

679
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: rest of our life. With anxiety or with addiction, or

680
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 3: with relationships, what manage, manage, manage, and that just blocks

681
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: that natural innocence. So when we actually do start to

682
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: do the heavy lifting of really therapeutic support, self help

683
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: support and being in that curious, as Kate said, beautifully

684
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: curious connection inward, that's when we start to feel a

685
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: shift inside. And that shift is what manifests, not some

686
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: vision board and that's some repeated thought, it's the inner

687
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 3: change inside of you. And so there's a lot that

688
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: I was able to manifest in my life because I

689
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 3: believed it, and because I was moving towards it and

690
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: take taking actions towards it. But the greatest manifestations in

691
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: my life have been the ones that have just come

692
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 3: into my life naturally, in a free flowing state, just

693
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: feeling and trusting. And there's this beautiful message. I keep

694
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 3: quoting all these beautiful messages, but there's one that is

695
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 3: from this text of course and miracles and the messages.

696
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: Those who are certain of the outcome can afford to

697
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: wait and wait without anxiety.

698
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

699
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 3: And so when we just start to have you to

700
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: our inner world, when we say that, yeah, those who

701
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: are certain of the outcome can afford to wait and

702
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: wait without anxiety. Right, And that certainty.

703
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: Only comes I'm not certain of the outcome.

704
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: Well, there is one out This is where I go.

705
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: Yes, the outcome being when we do that work on ourselves,

706
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 3: that we and we start to recognize freedom. Really, to

707
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: me means that we recognize that no thing, no amount

708
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: of money, success, person, lover, will give us the freedom

709
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: inside that we desire. I know that, and I shall

710
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: have free right. It's the devotional commitment to healing the

711
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: wounds in the blocks that hold you back from living

712
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: in that freedom. And that's why I write self help

713
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: books because I know that not everybody's going to have

714
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: you know, DEEPOK on speed dial like I might write,

715
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 3: or like be able to you know, have a mother

716
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: like we had. That that's not the norm. The norm

717
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: is push it down, numb it out, don't feel it.

718
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: I think it's also it's also really interesting when you

719
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: when you do, when you're like, I'm a I love

720
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: to travel, I love to see the world. I love

721
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: to go to you know, I love to talk to

722
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: people all over the world. And what you realize is

723
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: like it doesn't at the end of the day, when

724
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: you get to the like core, the spiritual core of

725
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: every single human, it doesn't matter where. You can't gauge

726
00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: someone's trauma or someone's pain, or someone's anxiety, or someone's

727
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: like why they feel liberated or why are they so happy?

728
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: Why do they find such contentment? You can go all

729
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: around the world and see people of completely different socioeconomic backgrounds,

730
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: completely different cultures, and you can tell there are just

731
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what you have or where you come from.

732
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Speaker 1: There are certain people who are who who are connected

733
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: to their spiritual core brings them a sense of contentment

734
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: and liberation that someone who seemingly has it all can't

735
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: quite grasp.

736
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean how many people do you know?

737
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: You guys know so many people who have it all

738
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: and they're fucking miserable. I imagine that you know them all, right,

739
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a really yeah.

740
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, no, no, of course I think I

741
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: find it. I find so lucky just breathing and living right.

742
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to say is I'm trying to

743
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: say like that is something I think everybody, no matter

744
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: where you come from or what your experience are. Of

745
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: course that is if you know, taking you know, trauma,

746
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: certain kinds of trauma out of the equation, but that

747
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: there is a very relatable thing across the board, which

748
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: is people actually connecting to that place inside of them

749
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 1: that makes them feel truly liberated. That can only truly

750
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: exist in the simplest form of how we live spiritually.

751
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 3: I can really just speak for myself and that I

752
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 3: can say that the spiritual foundation is the thing that's

753
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 3: carried me throughout my life through a lot of ups

754
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 3: and downs and sometimes things that I wouldn't wish upon anyone.

755
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: But it was when I committed to really becoming courageous

756
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: and brave enough to connect to the parts of myself

757
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 3: that I had been pushing down for a lifetime for decades.

758
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: When I made that commitment to courageously turn inward, that's

759
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 3: when that freedom started to come into my life. And

760
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 3: that was spiritual recovery, therapeutic recovery, addiction recovery, and literally

761
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: what I'm most proud of in about myself is my

762
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: courage to change, my courage to heal. And I wrote this.

763
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 3: My ninth book was a book called Happy Days, and

764
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: it's the guided Path from trauma to profound freedom and

765
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: inner piece. And I've written a lot of manifesting books

766
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 3: right like I've written A Universe has your Back, I'm

767
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 3: super Attractor, it may cause miracles, and all these books

768
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: I'm manifesting, and people love those books. They want the universe,

769
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: they want the super attractor. But when I hold up

770
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: Happy Days, which is like a book that maybe didn't

771
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 3: sell as well as o other manifesting books, but I

772
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 3: can hold that book and I can say to somebody,

773
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: this is my greatest manifesting book that I have. Why

774
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: because it teaches you how to do the inner work.

775
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: You could do all that manifesting spiritual and you will

776
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: have change. But the lifetime change, the massive radical change,

777
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 3: happens when you start to dress the parts of you

778
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: that live in fear, the parts of you that are

779
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: so anxious, the parts of you that need your attention.

780
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and by the way, you know it's not

781
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: a one and done and I know that just even

782
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: from being an Hoffman like you can dig up and

783
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: you can go through this process, which I did, and

784
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: there's this euphoria that you feel for like two or

785
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: three weeks. It's this honeymoon phase, and then all of

786
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 2: a sudden, life creeps back in. You know, when it's

787
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: that deep, you're always going to be dealing with it.

788
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: And that's what they tell you too when you go there.

789
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: They're like, you're not cured, No one's cured. You're just

790
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: given the tools to deal with this shit as it

791
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: comes up. Now, you know you've done the work, you've

792
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: done the digging, you've uncovered the treasure.

793
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: So to speak, and the discovered that the relationship to

794
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: the work can be interesting and enjoyable and rewarding.

795
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: Sure, and extremely difficult and angering right because you're like,

796
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: oh my god, why am I like this again, what happened? Yeah,

797
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: you know, because it's work, you have to keep working.

798
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: Again, We're like, this is like the quoting episode, but

799
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: like I all also, one of my favorite quotes is

800
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: contentment is a discipline. And I find that what you're saying,

801
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: even if it's one little thing, but like those disciplines

802
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: that you know that you connect with, that make you,

803
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: that connect you deeper to yourself, or make you just

804
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: feel a little bit better, make you feel like you're

805
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,959
Speaker 1: in that forward movement in motion.

806
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: Well, I have a quote that I'm going to make

807
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: that right now, which is another which is another way

808
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: to live by. In a hundred million years, we're all

809
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: going to be a ball of fire. So who gives

810
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: a shit anyway?

811
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 3: Yeah?

812
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean that's it's kind of it's

813
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: like sometimes.

814
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: I do that in my head.

815
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, we all have these issues, we're all

816
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 2: feeling these things, but in fifty million years, it's gonna

817
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: be a big ball of fire. Civilization will no longer exist,

818
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: and all of these problems like why am I so crazy?

819
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 3: Why are we all?

820
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: Why are we all so nuts? Yeah? No, it's a

821
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: good that's a good. I mean, look we've been asking

822
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: ourselves that from the beginning of Time books.

823
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: It's called ball of Fire.

824
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: You're qualifier.

825
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: We got to let you go.

826
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 2: What do you think about the qualifier theory?

827
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 3: I think you might want to consider writing a self

828
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: help book. And I'm totally serious right now, and I

829
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: will totally help you if you wanted to do this,

830
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: write a self help book about the ballifier. Yeah, and

831
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 3: let it be just about really what it should be.

832
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: It should be only animated though. It should just be

833
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: a picture book.

834
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: I like Bullifier.

835
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: Bullifier is good.

836
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: It's a good title. I'm telling you I like it.

837
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: Gabby for the last question, thank you so much for

838
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: joining us. I'm so happy. Can we talk to you

839
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: more offline?

840
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: At some point, qualifier collapse is going to be huge.

841
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: But I just break the forward. I'll write the forward.

842
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: Okay, perfect, perfect.

843
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So well, let's just start with this. I like

844
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: this question, which is in the context of this rapidly

845
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: changing world, speaking of a world on fire, how do

846
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: you see the role of spirituality and personal development in

847
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: contributing to the global consciousness?

848
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: Thank you for this question. I really appreciate it. I

849
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: think it's go time. I think that those of us

850
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 3: who have made a commitment to do in their work

851
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: in whatever form that comes, whether it's through books and

852
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: broadcast widely, or even individually in your home putting your

853
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 3: child to bed at night. Those of us who have

854
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: had the privilege of being cracked open in whatever form

855
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 3: that is, and opened up to a spiritual connection or

856
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 3: personal growth connection, it is our duty to share it.

857
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 3: It is spiritual activism. When we tell a story, when

858
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 3: we make that change, we ignite that light in somebody else.

859
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 3: And so there's a lot of darkness that we need

860
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: to transcend and transmute. And I don't believe that can

861
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: happen with one spiritual teacher, one author, one person. I

862
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 3: think it happens on the individual level. I think it

863
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: happens with anyone who's listened to this episode today and

864
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: is like, I want to, you know, let that energy

865
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 3: move through me. I'm going to take something I learned

866
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: here and share it with somebody today, or even share

867
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 3: the episode right or go to Hoffmann, whatever it might

868
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 3: have been. That inner shift happening for anyone listening has

869
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 3: to be shared, and that's how it happens. That's how

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Speaker 3: that shift occurs, because it has to happen on a big,

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Speaker 3: big global level. Mm hmm yeah, thank you Jaby. You

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Speaker 3: guys are so cute. I love you. Nice to be

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Speaker 3: with you.