WEBVTT - Prison Is Big Business 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:10.319 Remember an aggravated battery. I with a hand in the 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:15.800 leg like being related. I can't attack the money broad 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.000 face the line from the Los Angeles Get the Gangster 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:24.759 chronic post Sos McDonald race you right, Junior and Alex 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:30.760 lns on the digital soap us Let work. So what's 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.560 happening with your big James? Ain't nothing much, man, Glad 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.080 to be back at work. Bro. I love being up here. Man. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.080 I might not go home tonight. Just something to do. 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.240 Get out the damn house. I'm trying to the house. Yeah, 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.360 about time I got tired over the course. This is 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.800 another episode of a gainst the chronicles. I'm sitting in. 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.159 I'm norm Steel. You may have saw me on the 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.040 first two episodes, first two or three episodes, wasn't it? 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.160 First three, first three episodes. Now I'm back in the 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.680 saddle again with my man, James, holding on to my man. 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.920 Regy right, the third reg right, the second return by 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.000 Regie right, second returns home. So what's been going on 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.479 with you James? When this quarantine? Man? Oh not man 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.000 standing out to win everybody and and I'm doing my 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.960 part to to stay alive for sure, and we are 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.800 practicing social distance people. I actually just had a big 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.759 dart batter mask on and take it off to get 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.400 you guys this amazing content. Um, I didn't quite sign 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.080 right with that, and I was trying to make it work, 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.080 but it didn't work, so they had had me take 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.440 that off. So now we're back. Um, it's been a 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.280 lot of stuff going on. We just had an amazing 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.000 interview last week with Warring g Oh. Yeah, I dig 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.880 that man. That dude. He he enlightened me on a 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.760 lot of ship I didn't know. You know. Uh, it's 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:51.160 just crazy how they come up starting from nothing and 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.920 then they get to the point where where you at now, 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.120 but then not without help, you know what I'm saying, 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.880 And then just to make through that, and then you 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.520 had all of these people around you that I could 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.200 have had you where you was at, where you wanted 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.720 to be, way ahead of time exactly. It didn't happen 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.880 that way. I bet you should really trip that on 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:14.680 not getting that dude though. Man, that was a big 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:19.799 loss for death Row for a lot of a lot 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.680 of people that the right artists that wanted to come 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.799 to death Row didn't come. Sug had a certain ear 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:30.320 and knew what he wanted, and he turned down a 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.000 lot of money. He turned down a lot of people 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:37.880 that was gonna make money. Well, man, yeah, he turned 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.120 out a whole lot of stuff. Man, But you know 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.520 what the warrings, he probably wound up in the best sixtuations. 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.120 He went on the deaf jam and went on to 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:48.000 do some amazing things. Um, I was looking the other day, man, 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.200 and I don't know how we missed this man. Gentlemen 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.240 by the name of Matthew Charles. Man Matthew Charles was 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.320 a longtime drug dealer from North Carolina. Charles was convicted 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:02.120 of selling grahams of crack and illegally possessing the gun. 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:06.600 Labeled a career offender because of previous conventions evolving drugs, weapons, 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.560 domestic violence, breaking the homes, assault, kidnapping, and larceny, he 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:14.400 was sentenced to thirty five years in prison. Charles turned 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.040 out to be a model inminate. Authority said he organized 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.480 the Bible study, mentored other prisoners, and took college courses 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.840 to become a law clerk. Charles applied for early release 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.079 several times, and the federal judge granted it to him 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.840 in two thousand and sixteen. Once started prison, Charles continued 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.480 his mission to turn his life around. He moved to Nashville, 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.880 got a job as a driver, and volunteered as a 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.840 food at a food pantry. He also started dating again 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.120 and reconnected with his family, but federal persecutors fought the 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.640 jay Is ruling an appeals court degree that Charles did 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.240 not qualify for release because he was a repeat criminal 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.560 offender and ordered him back to prisoner, serving estimated nine 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.760 more years. He surrendered to a prisoner Kentucky last May. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.000 At the two years of freedom, he said he refused 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.040 to be bitter. You know. Eventually they went and gave 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.600 the guy's freedom again. Um, they let him back out, 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.040 and think January I from not mistaken. They let him 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:03.960 back out of jail aft to put another appeal in. 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.240 But just imagine what an incredible mind funk that would 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:08.960 be for you to be in prison. You already got 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.040 your mind set to do these thirty six years, right, 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.080 they left you all after twenty and you go home 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:16.840 and this man will third him of life. He got 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.240 him a girlfriend, got him a job, He volunteering some places. 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:24.279 Looks like the looks like he was really back on point, 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.560 you know what I mean? Well, after two years. Yeah, 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.840 he got his ship together and then they got to 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.000 look at it. If he ain't committed a crime within 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.800 that time to violate at least violate and then put 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.960 him back in there, then that's like some double jeopardy 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.720 ship that it don't make no sense to leave him 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.320 on the street for two years and then say you 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:49.280 don't you don't qualify, You don't qualify for something. Why 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.039 are they working with him? He looked like an older dude, 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:57.520 so it don't make no sense. And then he did 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.800 another nine years. Yeah he didn't. Well, actually he was 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.680 in there. I think he did another not quite nine years, 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.320 and I think he did another five years and they 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.520 let him back out again. Um, it's like a thing. 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.760 I would think that he was entitled to some kind 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.040 of because they let him back out this past January. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.560 You would think that he would be entitled to some 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:19.800 kind of settlement or something like that if he didn't sue. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.960 The shot of them man something trying to do that. Uh, 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.760 it would take them take him a minute to sue 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.320 and go through all the all the bullshit. But I 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.000 would have did something because you just can't play with 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:36.080 my life like that. I mean after doing twenty You 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.600 gotta think it's hard getting out of prison and then 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.680 coming back into society after twenty years, a whole lot 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.560 of ship change, and you're stretching your head trying to 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.599 figure out how I'm gonna get it because everything is 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.520 against you. You can't go and get a job because 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.640 after that ninety day background check come, they're gonna fire you, 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.920 so you can't and keep a job. Then you you're 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.359 looking at how people has changed. Some sh it. You 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.359 can't tyler ate some shit. You just gotta you gotta 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.279 deal with it. The way people is so just that 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.880 in itself. Man, it's hard. It's hard. But then they 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:22.320 put you in jail and they said they're gonna rehabilitate you. 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.880 You let me out and I do good for two years. 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.880 But you're saying I didn't deserve that. He already showed 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:34.240 you two years I didn't change, So he should have 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.320 got a pass on that. Let him continue doing If 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.279 you put an ankle brisont on him, let him keep 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.680 doing what he's doing. Why take him back out of 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:47.640 society and then giving five more years that would have 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.400 broken me to would have pitched me to funk off. Yeah, 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:53.440 I don't know actually if I you know, I know 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.400 a lot of people, I wouldn't want to turn myself 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.680 back in. But then you're running for the rest of 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.920 your life, so you gotta worry about that. I can't 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.920 use my name, I can't go here, I don't want 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.400 to get caught out. I can drive because if I 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.240 get pulled over, then them fucked. Yeah, you just think 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.679 about though, the actual people, man, like when it happens 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.280 to you. Because I don't know what I would have did. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.560 It's easy to say, me sitting up here today, what 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:17.200 I would have done it, what I wouldn't have done, 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:18.560 But it would have been hard for me to just 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.440 voluntarily go turn myself in after these people have set 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.120 me free. You gotta think about this dude's mindset because 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.520 I don't know if you ever get used to the idea, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.640 man of doing that much time, you know what I mean. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.360 You're sitting up there in jail, man, and you don't 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.440 kind of just got a custom to what's going on. 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.680 Then somebody gives you your freedom right, they say you're free, 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.520 You're free to go, So you leave. You go out there, man, 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.440 you meet you somebody that you like, You start your 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.120 life all over again, man, and then they come back 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.000 and get you. I would at least think, man, that 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.320 he was do some kind of settlement. I would think 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.120 that they settled some kind of way with this man 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.040 after taking him on that journey. You would think they 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.280 would think it's only right to do it. But they 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.680 don't see nothing wrong in it because they wanted came 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:02.080 and got him. He did five more years, so they 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.880 don't think they did nothing wrong. They think they within 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.640 the law to do you like that, and it's it's 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.240 just it's just a funked up the way the system 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.280 treat you, you know what I'm saying. So to get 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.720 a taste of his freedom and then get put back 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:21.200 in the cage, that's that's the killer part. Yeah, exactly, man. 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.320 You know the thing he was, man, and they said that. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.880 You know, it was a big outrage over the case. Man. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.320 They called for President Trump to grant you know, Charles clemency. 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.400 At the same time, the lawmakers and justice reform advocates 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.480 were pushing a rewrite of local drug laws. The result 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.000 was the first step back, which made retroactive for two 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:43.480 thousand teen law easy mandatory minimum minimum sentences for crack offenses. 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.319 You know, Charles public defenders Mariah Wootten and Michael Holly 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.240 agreed in December twenty seven court filing that the provision 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.880 applied to Charles. Prosecutors didn't fight the motion and on 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.960 January three day rude Charles was entitled to the media release. 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.839 So they went back and they did right at the 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:01.319 end of the thing. But you just got it. You know, 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.760 that takes us back to those cracking laws anyway. Man. 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.320 You know, it's a lot of brothers man that it 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.199 wasn't just him. It's a lot of people, man that 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.599 sat down because you think about the whole premise, is 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.920 just Craig who was selling crack at the time. That 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:18.640 was young black males, right, wasn't too many people in Hollywood, 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.800 and barely he was selling crack at the time. So 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.840 you would have dudes, man going to prison for twenty 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.520 and thirty years just for eight or fifty you know 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.760 what I'm saying. A zone. It was going to you know, 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.160 jail for a long time just for a zone. But 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.040 you would get a guy caught with some powder. You 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.080 can't get caught with two officers of powder and do 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.000 way less time. Don't you think it was kind of 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:47.239 racially motivating at the beginning. Yeah, I think everybody, everybody, 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:52.760 white boys, Michigan's everybody was getting caught with that ship. Um, 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.600 everybody started going out of town back in the days 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.640 when you was going out of town and set up 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:03.360 shopping whatever. I don't look at it like that. Everybody, 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.520 I don't give a what race she was was was 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.439 was selling the dope. If you don't think the crack 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.040 was in Beverly, Here's that's where it was right here. 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:17.160 It was just coming into our neighborhoods. But but all 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.880 the let's say politics, all the rich cats was on it. 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.560 But a lot of them was just doing the powder, 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.760 you know what I'm saying. And then when they got 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.560 to the to the rock ship, the rock just blew 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.760 everybody fucking mind. And that's when you start seeing the 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:37.120 crackheads and ship. But a lot of people out this 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.920 way and the good areas was doing blow. Yeah, well 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:42.960 that's what I'm seeing. It's like I think that the 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.760 correct you know, Craig hit the black community way harder. 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.840 James the black community way harder. You know. And don't 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.000 get me wrong, you had white boys hustling, you had 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.840 Mexican people hustling. Everybody was getting the hustle on, but 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.439 the majority of times with some crack came up. Man, 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.520 it was affecting the brothers a lot. It was just effect. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.680 It was hitting us different. Were the ones getting caught 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.360 with a little bit of ship. They wouldn't sending Kingopians 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.120 the prisoner Kingpians. Wasn't the ones getting the fifteen or 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.679 twenty years sentences. It was the lower level catch that 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.880 was on the corner. Yeah, it was. It was the 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:20.199 ones that was like, like us just just got uh 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.160 introduced to the ship, and then now we're on the block. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:28.640 We're selling cocaine, we're game banging, we're doing everything on 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.400 the block with cocaine. So it made it even even 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:36.200 harder for us because now they're hiring all these different 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:40.200 new cops, these different task forces to try to control it, 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.480 you know what I'm saying. So in between all of 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:48.000 that ship, Motherfucker's was going to jail but for murder 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:52.719 because nigger started killing Motherfucker's for it. The paper Motherfucker's 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.560 was making money and was getting killed for it. So 0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:01.440 it changed our ship big time. They time. So yeah, 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.880 it hit us hard because so much came with it 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.520 so much. So much change came with the cocaine. You know, 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:15.840 homies stopped being homies to respect the loyalty, the friendship, 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.719 and all that ship went away because now everybody is 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.240 out for themself and they see how easy it is 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.000 getting that money. You know, some some of us had 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:30.120 to dish in ourselves from the homies because the homies 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.880 then't like yes anyway, and you knew you was a 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:38.320 target because you're making money, you know what I'm saying. 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.680 So it was it was, yeah, it hit us, It 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.400 hit hard. Yeah, you know that the particular thing. Man, 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.480 I just remember about the crack eraor man, I remember 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.720 because I'm really from Cleveland, Ohio, and I remember going 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.400 back to the house. Man, just going back. Um, you 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.199 know you used to see the guys. Man that was 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.120 rolling hard. They had to do some the quarters on 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.120 datings and stuff like that, and you went back. Man, 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.640 I'm saying, dudes, Man, you see them do as they 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.640 walk in the streets. They're looking like hoboes, now you 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.280 know what I mean. Only only because you know they 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:10.560 used to say, don't test your own product. And some 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.000 of them when when harder the pain when they first 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.839 got it, it was easy money. And then you get 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.720 with a certain chick that probably doesn't smoked on that 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:23.439 ship before, now you on it, and everybody couldn't smoke 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:29.000 that ship and be cool. Yeah, for real, man, I 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:30.960 don't know too many people. I don't think I knew 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.040 anybody they could try, correct, man, and just come up 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:35.760 off of it just like that. I'm pretty sure with 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.880 somebody somewhere that experimented with it, man and came back. 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:40.640 But it was a whole lot of us. Man, They 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.480 pretty turned motherfucker's in the zombies. Let me tell you, man, 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:48.679 when in in eighty eight one rocking and ship and 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.920 and I'm gonna tell your story, man, we was in 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:56.400 our garage rocking ship big as mine, age jar one 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:02.040 of the Homeboys rest in peace, swirling the motherfucker thing 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:06.640 blew up. Pop. We got cocaine all on the motherfucking 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.280 panels in the garage, on the walls. And this is 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.120 the first time I've ever seen them straight that the 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:17.120 ship off the wall, crunched it up and a primo 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:23.440 they called it. Back in the days, everybody tried to promo. 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:27.840 Everybody was with smoking on prerolls, drinking their photies and 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:31.600 quotes or whatever superstar going jen doing a damn thing, 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.600 but was able to function and party. And it was 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.680 good when they started stepping on the ship and started 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.040 putting and doing all different types of shipped to it. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:44.840 That's when you're seeing the demons and seeing when they 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.400 started smoking and ship the jaws and ships sucking in 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.840 so from the beginning, and then you start seeing that 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.760 cocaine change being stepped on so many times. That's when 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:01.360 you see that people just start reacting to different into it. Man. 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:05.880 And you know, I don't seen the Mama's, the unchanged, 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:10.680 the sisters, brother everybody. So it didn't it didn't have 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:17.920 a a favorite that was anybody. And after let's say eighties, six, 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:23.200 eighty seven, eighty five on up that people just wasn't 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:27.560 the same and people the affected to on people was 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:31.720 just like crazy. You were feeding for the ship instead 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.960 of being high and ship and just you know, being 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.280 able to keep back and relate to what was going on. 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:43.120 And when that changed, everybody started looking and and doing whatever. 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:48.640 Coin man, Yeah, you had people, man, People's appearances would change. Man. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.400 You had keys start being left body self with the creb. Man, 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.040 it just got real real ugly during a certain time, man, 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.440 And you know, and I even bringing that to you 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:02.680 know today. Man, the crack eventually played out. You still 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.200 got a few people around the hood. They're still smoking crack, 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:06.720 you know what I mean. But for now, man, the 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.400 biggest thing I see now with these kids, these peels, man, 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.960 these um you know, they start off with the vicatins, man, 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.560 the percocets and all this other stuff. So we're kind 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.880 of seeing it like the correct This is known as 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.320 I guess the Opius generation. Man. We was more like 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.760 the Craig generation. This would be the Opious generation. Man, 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.480 because you got these guys man that I think hip 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.800 hop made that drinking that surup and all that stuff. 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.320 I wouldn't blame drinking serve on hip hop. They was 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.640 doing that ship back. He's these cats out here was 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:38.440 going out there. They got the win of that ship 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.120 and they started doing that ship out here. And now 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.800 there's just the thing to do. I don't think rapping 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.640 introduced them to it. Motherfucker's was getting down like that already. 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.800 Oh yeah, they was. But you know what, though, Man, 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.800 I'm a product hip hop. I love rapping. I can't 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.480 blame rapping. I'm not necessarily blame rap man. But way 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.440 anet walking around in the double cup. Damn it didn't 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.360 make a lot of people that didn't know nothing about 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.240 that start thinking that was cool. Man. I wouldn't even 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:09.560 say people was was doing that ship sipping on the scissor. 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:14.000 But on that ship before little Wayne, Little Wayne saw 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.600 somebody do it. Now he started doing it, and it 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:21.080 took effect to him totally different how it do other motherfuckers. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.680 Some motherfuckers can do that ship all day and and 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:28.960 and be cool. Some cats just take it and be 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.920 how to their mind with it funked up every every 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:37.399 every drug that they got out there. Some people can coach, 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:41.920 some people can't. Some people got the tolerance, some people don't. Yes, 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.119 what is for the most part, man, because all of 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.960 that stuff is really like when you start getting the 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.200 opius and stuff is really heroin. Man. It's all come 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.200 down to man. You know here when it's a hard 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.920 rug to kick, man was crazy though. The only thing 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.640 hard to kick than hero when the cigarettes. I think 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.639 cigarettes is hard. I ain't never no, but there is 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.040 the most the second hardest thing the most get. But 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:06.840 let's you know, let's go back to this guy, man, 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.520 So you figure it was some people that didn't want 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.720 him by the jail man. They figured he shouldn't be 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.680 back on the streets. So that's how he wind back 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.880 up in jail man. And you know, when you think 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.560 about it, man, I think in this particular taste, that 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.119 guy did deserve a second chance. Manswer the question I 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.840 asked Man, Me and you both come from cities that 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.760 were ravaged by drugs used by the drug trade. Right, 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:31.800 the violence. It wasn't just the things, it was the 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.040 violence because you figure once cast start making that money, 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.040 now you got brother against brother, Homie against homie, and 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:41.080 everything is this. Should they let a lot of them 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:42.680 cats back on the streets. Do you think a lot 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:47.320 of them people deserve get clemency? Well, man, I say 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.919 the majority of all of them should get it, because 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.520 I think that a lot of us are are being 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:58.240 over shins. But I'm gonna go back, and I'm like this, 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.720 if I did my time, If you give me fifteen years, 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.400 I did thirteen and a half. When I get out, 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.480 I should be good. I paid my debt, I paid 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.680 my debt to society. I shouldn't have this problem. I 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:18.200 shouldn't have this problem. But I don't care what black man, 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.359 go to jail and get out of the federal penitentiary, 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:25.520 or just stay. You're gonna have a problem this ship. Finally, 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.520 I'm fifty five years old and still still ain't voted, 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:34.399 and I've been out of prisoner from from being released 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.679 from prison, I couldn't do nothing but be a security guard. 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.320 And every ninety days they knocked my ass back and 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.760 you fired. So whether you lie on that on that 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.000 apvocation or you tell them the truth. If you tell 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:52.679 them the truth, uh, we don't need you. Wow. So 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.879 you you you locked up when you come home. You 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.760 blocked out a society in a sense, you can't do nothing. 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.080 So let me ask you what do we do if 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:05.960 if you don't want you don't want me to work. 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:09.400 I got a kid down the baby mama filed child 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:11.600 support on me. How the hell I'm gonna pay child 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:15.080 support by the time I do get a job, which 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:19.080 my kid is thirteen, fourteen years old. Now I'm holding 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:25.000 sixty seventy dollars to child support. So I go to work. 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:29.240 I'm able to file chexes. Now now they're taking my money. 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.359 Now I'm I'm feeling way worser and lesser than the 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:36.880 motherucking man, because I can't eat because I'm paying all 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:41.879 of this I'm doing, I'm doing everything. I'm paying society 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:45.600 still and I didn't. I didn't pay you all for 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:49.199 my time, for my mistake, but you still pay for 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:52.360 it when you when you release, when you get out. 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:57.440 So it's just the system is just so fucked up 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.840 and it don't help us at all. So don't tell 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:04.720 me you put me in jail to to rehabilitate me, 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.479 because when I get out, you ain't helping me, and 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.760 then you want to put me back in there. That's 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.879 what parole is for. If you if I'm living above 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.800 my means, if if I get a car, where you 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.600 get this mother phone? You ain't been at longer enough. 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:22.719 It's eighty eight and you got a motherucking uh uh 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:27.400 A ninety two A ninety No, you you can't have that. 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.760 You're living above your means. You can't be in a 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.840 certain place. You can't go and live in a certain place. 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:36.800 So you can't hang around certain people because it ain't 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:38.400 there the part when you first get out, you can't 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.120 hang around the feelings well gang of Felling yeah, no 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:43.679 fellas at all. So but when I when I got 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.440 out of out of the state. One of my conditions 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:51.280 was I couldn't get caught with game members. I couldn't well, 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:53.840 goddamn my brothers and game members. I can't get caught 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.840 in the car with them. You know what I'm saying, Cousins, 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:00.600 you can't. They got a chill on you. They pretty 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.560 much got a hold on you. And that's why a 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:07.040 lot of cats go back and forth from violations because 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.960