Speaker 1: Remember an aggravated battery. I with a hand in the
Speaker 1: leg like being related. I can't attack the money broad
Speaker 1: face the line from the Los Angeles Get the Gangster
Speaker 1: chronic post Sos McDonald race you right, Junior and Alex
Speaker 1: lns on the digital soap us Let work. So what's
Speaker 1: happening with your big James? Ain't nothing much, man, Glad
Speaker 1: to be back at work. Bro. I love being up here. Man.
Speaker 1: I might not go home tonight. Just something to do.
Speaker 1: Get out the damn house. I'm trying to the house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: about time I got tired over the course. This is
Speaker 1: another episode of a gainst the chronicles. I'm sitting in.
Speaker 1: I'm norm Steel. You may have saw me on the
Speaker 1: first two episodes, first two or three episodes, wasn't it?
Speaker 1: First three, first three episodes. Now I'm back in the
Speaker 1: saddle again with my man, James, holding on to my man.
Speaker 1: Regy right, the third reg right, the second return by
Speaker 1: Regie right, second returns home. So what's been going on
Speaker 1: with you James? When this quarantine? Man? Oh not man
Speaker 1: standing out to win everybody and and I'm doing my
Speaker 1: part to to stay alive for sure, and we are
Speaker 1: practicing social distance people. I actually just had a big
Speaker 1: dart batter mask on and take it off to get
Speaker 1: you guys this amazing content. Um, I didn't quite sign
Speaker 1: right with that, and I was trying to make it work,
Speaker 1: but it didn't work, so they had had me take
Speaker 1: that off. So now we're back. Um, it's been a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on. We just had an amazing
Speaker 1: interview last week with Warring g Oh. Yeah, I dig
Speaker 1: that man. That dude. He he enlightened me on a
Speaker 1: lot of ship I didn't know. You know. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: just crazy how they come up starting from nothing and
Speaker 1: then they get to the point where where you at now,
Speaker 1: but then not without help, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And then just to make through that, and then you
Speaker 1: had all of these people around you that I could
Speaker 1: have had you where you was at, where you wanted
Speaker 1: to be, way ahead of time exactly. It didn't happen
Speaker 1: that way. I bet you should really trip that on
Speaker 1: not getting that dude though. Man, that was a big
Speaker 1: loss for death Row for a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of people that the right artists that wanted to come
Speaker 1: to death Row didn't come. Sug had a certain ear
Speaker 1: and knew what he wanted, and he turned down a
Speaker 1: lot of money. He turned down a lot of people
Speaker 1: that was gonna make money. Well, man, yeah, he turned
Speaker 1: out a whole lot of stuff. Man, But you know
Speaker 1: what the warrings, he probably wound up in the best sixtuations.
Speaker 1: He went on the deaf jam and went on to
Speaker 1: do some amazing things. Um, I was looking the other day, man,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how we missed this man. Gentlemen
Speaker 1: by the name of Matthew Charles. Man Matthew Charles was
Speaker 1: a longtime drug dealer from North Carolina. Charles was convicted
Speaker 1: of selling grahams of crack and illegally possessing the gun.
Speaker 1: Labeled a career offender because of previous conventions evolving drugs, weapons,
Speaker 1: domestic violence, breaking the homes, assault, kidnapping, and larceny, he
Speaker 1: was sentenced to thirty five years in prison. Charles turned
Speaker 1: out to be a model inminate. Authority said he organized
Speaker 1: the Bible study, mentored other prisoners, and took college courses
Speaker 1: to become a law clerk. Charles applied for early release
Speaker 1: several times, and the federal judge granted it to him
Speaker 1: in two thousand and sixteen. Once started prison, Charles continued
Speaker 1: his mission to turn his life around. He moved to Nashville,
Speaker 1: got a job as a driver, and volunteered as a
Speaker 1: food at a food pantry. He also started dating again
Speaker 1: and reconnected with his family, but federal persecutors fought the
Speaker 1: jay Is ruling an appeals court degree that Charles did
Speaker 1: not qualify for release because he was a repeat criminal
Speaker 1: offender and ordered him back to prisoner, serving estimated nine
Speaker 1: more years. He surrendered to a prisoner Kentucky last May.
Speaker 1: At the two years of freedom, he said he refused
Speaker 1: to be bitter. You know. Eventually they went and gave
Speaker 1: the guy's freedom again. Um, they let him back out,
Speaker 1: and think January I from not mistaken. They let him
Speaker 1: back out of jail aft to put another appeal in.
Speaker 1: But just imagine what an incredible mind funk that would
Speaker 1: be for you to be in prison. You already got
Speaker 1: your mind set to do these thirty six years, right,
Speaker 1: they left you all after twenty and you go home
Speaker 1: and this man will third him of life. He got
Speaker 1: him a girlfriend, got him a job, He volunteering some places.
Speaker 1: Looks like the looks like he was really back on point,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Well, after two years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got his ship together and then they got to
Speaker 1: look at it. If he ain't committed a crime within
Speaker 1: that time to violate at least violate and then put
Speaker 1: him back in there, then that's like some double jeopardy
Speaker 1: ship that it don't make no sense to leave him
Speaker 1: on the street for two years and then say you
Speaker 1: don't you don't qualify, You don't qualify for something. Why
Speaker 1: are they working with him? He looked like an older dude,
Speaker 1: so it don't make no sense. And then he did
Speaker 1: another nine years. Yeah he didn't. Well, actually he was
Speaker 1: in there. I think he did another not quite nine years,
Speaker 1: and I think he did another five years and they
Speaker 1: let him back out again. Um, it's like a thing.
Speaker 1: I would think that he was entitled to some kind
Speaker 1: of because they let him back out this past January.
Speaker 1: You would think that he would be entitled to some
Speaker 1: kind of settlement or something like that if he didn't sue.
Speaker 1: The shot of them man something trying to do that. Uh,
Speaker 1: it would take them take him a minute to sue
Speaker 1: and go through all the all the bullshit. But I
Speaker 1: would have did something because you just can't play with
Speaker 1: my life like that. I mean after doing twenty You
Speaker 1: gotta think it's hard getting out of prison and then
Speaker 1: coming back into society after twenty years, a whole lot
Speaker 1: of ship change, and you're stretching your head trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how I'm gonna get it because everything is
Speaker 1: against you. You can't go and get a job because
Speaker 1: after that ninety day background check come, they're gonna fire you,
Speaker 1: so you can't and keep a job. Then you you're
Speaker 1: looking at how people has changed. Some sh it. You
Speaker 1: can't tyler ate some shit. You just gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: deal with it. The way people is so just that
Speaker 1: in itself. Man, it's hard. It's hard. But then they
Speaker 1: put you in jail and they said they're gonna rehabilitate you.
Speaker 1: You let me out and I do good for two years.
Speaker 1: But you're saying I didn't deserve that. He already showed
Speaker 1: you two years I didn't change, So he should have
Speaker 1: got a pass on that. Let him continue doing If
Speaker 1: you put an ankle brisont on him, let him keep
Speaker 1: doing what he's doing. Why take him back out of
Speaker 1: society and then giving five more years that would have
Speaker 1: broken me to would have pitched me to funk off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know actually if I you know, I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people, I wouldn't want to turn myself
Speaker 1: back in. But then you're running for the rest of
Speaker 1: your life, so you gotta worry about that. I can't
Speaker 1: use my name, I can't go here, I don't want
Speaker 1: to get caught out. I can drive because if I
Speaker 1: get pulled over, then them fucked. Yeah, you just think
Speaker 1: about though, the actual people, man, like when it happens
Speaker 1: to you. Because I don't know what I would have did.
Speaker 1: It's easy to say, me sitting up here today, what
Speaker 1: I would have done it, what I wouldn't have done,
Speaker 1: But it would have been hard for me to just
Speaker 1: voluntarily go turn myself in after these people have set
Speaker 1: me free. You gotta think about this dude's mindset because
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever get used to the idea,
Speaker 1: man of doing that much time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You're sitting up there in jail, man, and you don't
Speaker 1: kind of just got a custom to what's going on.
Speaker 1: Then somebody gives you your freedom right, they say you're free,
Speaker 1: You're free to go, So you leave. You go out there, man,
Speaker 1: you meet you somebody that you like, You start your
Speaker 1: life all over again, man, and then they come back
Speaker 1: and get you. I would at least think, man, that
Speaker 1: he was do some kind of settlement. I would think
Speaker 1: that they settled some kind of way with this man
Speaker 1: after taking him on that journey. You would think they
Speaker 1: would think it's only right to do it. But they
Speaker 1: don't see nothing wrong in it because they wanted came
Speaker 1: and got him. He did five more years, so they
Speaker 1: don't think they did nothing wrong. They think they within
Speaker 1: the law to do you like that, and it's it's
Speaker 1: just it's just a funked up the way the system
Speaker 1: treat you, you know what I'm saying. So to get
Speaker 1: a taste of his freedom and then get put back
Speaker 1: in the cage, that's that's the killer part. Yeah, exactly, man.
Speaker 1: You know the thing he was, man, and they said that.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a big outrage over the case. Man.
Speaker 1: They called for President Trump to grant you know, Charles clemency.
Speaker 1: At the same time, the lawmakers and justice reform advocates
Speaker 1: were pushing a rewrite of local drug laws. The result
Speaker 1: was the first step back, which made retroactive for two
Speaker 1: thousand teen law easy mandatory minimum minimum sentences for crack offenses.
Speaker 1: You know, Charles public defenders Mariah Wootten and Michael Holly
Speaker 1: agreed in December twenty seven court filing that the provision
Speaker 1: applied to Charles. Prosecutors didn't fight the motion and on
Speaker 1: January three day rude Charles was entitled to the media release.
Speaker 1: So they went back and they did right at the
Speaker 1: end of the thing. But you just got it. You know,
Speaker 1: that takes us back to those cracking laws anyway. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot of brothers man that it
Speaker 1: wasn't just him. It's a lot of people, man that
Speaker 1: sat down because you think about the whole premise, is
Speaker 1: just Craig who was selling crack at the time. That
Speaker 1: was young black males, right, wasn't too many people in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and barely he was selling crack at the time. So
Speaker 1: you would have dudes, man going to prison for twenty
Speaker 1: and thirty years just for eight or fifty you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. A zone. It was going to you know,
Speaker 1: jail for a long time just for a zone. But
Speaker 1: you would get a guy caught with some powder. You
Speaker 1: can't get caught with two officers of powder and do
Speaker 1: way less time. Don't you think it was kind of
Speaker 1: racially motivating at the beginning. Yeah, I think everybody, everybody,
Speaker 1: white boys, Michigan's everybody was getting caught with that ship. Um,
Speaker 1: everybody started going out of town back in the days
Speaker 1: when you was going out of town and set up
Speaker 1: shopping whatever. I don't look at it like that. Everybody,
Speaker 1: I don't give a what race she was was was
Speaker 1: was selling the dope. If you don't think the crack
Speaker 1: was in Beverly, Here's that's where it was right here.
Speaker 1: It was just coming into our neighborhoods. But but all
Speaker 1: the let's say politics, all the rich cats was on it.
Speaker 1: But a lot of them was just doing the powder,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And then when they got
Speaker 1: to the to the rock ship, the rock just blew
Speaker 1: everybody fucking mind. And that's when you start seeing the
Speaker 1: crackheads and ship. But a lot of people out this
Speaker 1: way and the good areas was doing blow. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: that's what I'm seeing. It's like I think that the
Speaker 1: correct you know, Craig hit the black community way harder.
Speaker 1: James the black community way harder. You know. And don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, you had white boys hustling, you had
Speaker 1: Mexican people hustling. Everybody was getting the hustle on, but
Speaker 1: the majority of times with some crack came up. Man,
Speaker 1: it was affecting the brothers a lot. It was just effect.
Speaker 1: It was hitting us different. Were the ones getting caught
Speaker 1: with a little bit of ship. They wouldn't sending Kingopians
Speaker 1: the prisoner Kingpians. Wasn't the ones getting the fifteen or
Speaker 1: twenty years sentences. It was the lower level catch that
Speaker 1: was on the corner. Yeah, it was. It was the
Speaker 1: ones that was like, like us just just got uh
Speaker 1: introduced to the ship, and then now we're on the block.
Speaker 1: We're selling cocaine, we're game banging, we're doing everything on
Speaker 1: the block with cocaine. So it made it even even
Speaker 1: harder for us because now they're hiring all these different
Speaker 1: new cops, these different task forces to try to control it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So in between all of
Speaker 1: that ship, Motherfucker's was going to jail but for murder
Speaker 1: because nigger started killing Motherfucker's for it. The paper Motherfucker's
Speaker 1: was making money and was getting killed for it. So
Speaker 1: it changed our ship big time. They time. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it hit us hard because so much came with it
Speaker 1: so much. So much change came with the cocaine. You know,
Speaker 1: homies stopped being homies to respect the loyalty, the friendship,
Speaker 1: and all that ship went away because now everybody is
Speaker 1: out for themself and they see how easy it is
Speaker 1: getting that money. You know, some some of us had
Speaker 1: to dish in ourselves from the homies because the homies
Speaker 1: then't like yes anyway, and you knew you was a
Speaker 1: target because you're making money, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it was it was, yeah, it hit us, It
Speaker 1: hit hard. Yeah, you know that the particular thing. Man,
Speaker 1: I just remember about the crack eraor man, I remember
Speaker 1: because I'm really from Cleveland, Ohio, and I remember going
Speaker 1: back to the house. Man, just going back. Um, you
Speaker 1: know you used to see the guys. Man that was
Speaker 1: rolling hard. They had to do some the quarters on
Speaker 1: datings and stuff like that, and you went back. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, dudes, Man, you see them do as they
Speaker 1: walk in the streets. They're looking like hoboes, now you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Only only because you know they
Speaker 1: used to say, don't test your own product. And some
Speaker 1: of them when when harder the pain when they first
Speaker 1: got it, it was easy money. And then you get
Speaker 1: with a certain chick that probably doesn't smoked on that
Speaker 1: ship before, now you on it, and everybody couldn't smoke
Speaker 1: that ship and be cool. Yeah, for real, man, I
Speaker 1: don't know too many people. I don't think I knew
Speaker 1: anybody they could try, correct, man, and just come up
Speaker 1: off of it just like that. I'm pretty sure with
Speaker 1: somebody somewhere that experimented with it, man and came back.
Speaker 1: But it was a whole lot of us. Man, They
Speaker 1: pretty turned motherfucker's in the zombies. Let me tell you, man,
Speaker 1: when in in eighty eight one rocking and ship and
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell your story, man, we was in
Speaker 1: our garage rocking ship big as mine, age jar one
Speaker 1: of the Homeboys rest in peace, swirling the motherfucker thing
Speaker 1: blew up. Pop. We got cocaine all on the motherfucking
Speaker 1: panels in the garage, on the walls. And this is
Speaker 1: the first time I've ever seen them straight that the
Speaker 1: ship off the wall, crunched it up and a primo
Speaker 1: they called it. Back in the days, everybody tried to promo.
Speaker 1: Everybody was with smoking on prerolls, drinking their photies and
Speaker 1: quotes or whatever superstar going jen doing a damn thing,
Speaker 1: but was able to function and party. And it was
Speaker 1: good when they started stepping on the ship and started
Speaker 1: putting and doing all different types of shipped to it.
Speaker 1: That's when you're seeing the demons and seeing when they
Speaker 1: started smoking and ship the jaws and ships sucking in
Speaker 1: so from the beginning, and then you start seeing that
Speaker 1: cocaine change being stepped on so many times. That's when
Speaker 1: you see that people just start reacting to different into it. Man.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't seen the Mama's, the unchanged,
Speaker 1: the sisters, brother everybody. So it didn't it didn't have
Speaker 1: a a favorite that was anybody. And after let's say eighties, six,
Speaker 1: eighty seven, eighty five on up that people just wasn't
Speaker 1: the same and people the affected to on people was
Speaker 1: just like crazy. You were feeding for the ship instead
Speaker 1: of being high and ship and just you know, being
Speaker 1: able to keep back and relate to what was going on.
Speaker 1: And when that changed, everybody started looking and and doing whatever.
Speaker 1: Coin man, Yeah, you had people, man, People's appearances would change. Man.
Speaker 1: You had keys start being left body self with the creb. Man,
Speaker 1: it just got real real ugly during a certain time, man,
Speaker 1: And you know, and I even bringing that to you
Speaker 1: know today. Man, the crack eventually played out. You still
Speaker 1: got a few people around the hood. They're still smoking crack,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But for now, man, the
Speaker 1: biggest thing I see now with these kids, these peels, man,
Speaker 1: these um you know, they start off with the vicatins, man,
Speaker 1: the percocets and all this other stuff. So we're kind
Speaker 1: of seeing it like the correct This is known as
Speaker 1: I guess the Opius generation. Man. We was more like
Speaker 1: the Craig generation. This would be the Opious generation. Man,
Speaker 1: because you got these guys man that I think hip
Speaker 1: hop made that drinking that surup and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't blame drinking serve on hip hop. They was
Speaker 1: doing that ship back. He's these cats out here was
Speaker 1: going out there. They got the win of that ship
Speaker 1: and they started doing that ship out here. And now
Speaker 1: there's just the thing to do. I don't think rapping
Speaker 1: introduced them to it. Motherfucker's was getting down like that already.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they was. But you know what, though, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm a product hip hop. I love rapping. I can't
Speaker 1: blame rapping. I'm not necessarily blame rap man. But way
Speaker 1: anet walking around in the double cup. Damn it didn't
Speaker 1: make a lot of people that didn't know nothing about
Speaker 1: that start thinking that was cool. Man. I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: say people was was doing that ship sipping on the scissor.
Speaker 1: But on that ship before little Wayne, Little Wayne saw
Speaker 1: somebody do it. Now he started doing it, and it
Speaker 1: took effect to him totally different how it do other motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: Some motherfuckers can do that ship all day and and
Speaker 1: and be cool. Some cats just take it and be
Speaker 1: how to their mind with it funked up every every
Speaker 1: every drug that they got out there. Some people can coach,
Speaker 1: some people can't. Some people got the tolerance, some people don't. Yes,
Speaker 1: what is for the most part, man, because all of
Speaker 1: that stuff is really like when you start getting the
Speaker 1: opius and stuff is really heroin. Man. It's all come
Speaker 1: down to man. You know here when it's a hard
Speaker 1: rug to kick, man was crazy though. The only thing
Speaker 1: hard to kick than hero when the cigarettes. I think
Speaker 1: cigarettes is hard. I ain't never no, but there is
Speaker 1: the most the second hardest thing the most get. But
Speaker 1: let's you know, let's go back to this guy, man,
Speaker 1: So you figure it was some people that didn't want
Speaker 1: him by the jail man. They figured he shouldn't be
Speaker 1: back on the streets. So that's how he wind back
Speaker 1: up in jail man. And you know, when you think
Speaker 1: about it, man, I think in this particular taste, that
Speaker 1: guy did deserve a second chance. Manswer the question I
Speaker 1: asked Man, Me and you both come from cities that
Speaker 1: were ravaged by drugs used by the drug trade. Right,
Speaker 1: the violence. It wasn't just the things, it was the
Speaker 1: violence because you figure once cast start making that money,
Speaker 1: now you got brother against brother, Homie against homie, and
Speaker 1: everything is this. Should they let a lot of them
Speaker 1: cats back on the streets. Do you think a lot
Speaker 1: of them people deserve get clemency? Well, man, I say
Speaker 1: the majority of all of them should get it, because
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of us are are being
Speaker 1: over shins. But I'm gonna go back, and I'm like this,
Speaker 1: if I did my time, If you give me fifteen years,
Speaker 1: I did thirteen and a half. When I get out,
Speaker 1: I should be good. I paid my debt, I paid
Speaker 1: my debt to society. I shouldn't have this problem. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have this problem. But I don't care what black man,
Speaker 1: go to jail and get out of the federal penitentiary,
Speaker 1: or just stay. You're gonna have a problem this ship. Finally,
Speaker 1: I'm fifty five years old and still still ain't voted,
Speaker 1: and I've been out of prisoner from from being released
Speaker 1: from prison, I couldn't do nothing but be a security guard.
Speaker 1: And every ninety days they knocked my ass back and
Speaker 1: you fired. So whether you lie on that on that
Speaker 1: apvocation or you tell them the truth. If you tell
Speaker 1: them the truth, uh, we don't need you. Wow. So
Speaker 1: you you you locked up when you come home. You
Speaker 1: blocked out a society in a sense, you can't do nothing.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you what do we do if
Speaker 1: if you don't want you don't want me to work.
Speaker 1: I got a kid down the baby mama filed child
Speaker 1: support on me. How the hell I'm gonna pay child
Speaker 1: support by the time I do get a job, which
Speaker 1: my kid is thirteen, fourteen years old. Now I'm holding
Speaker 1: sixty seventy dollars to child support. So I go to work.
Speaker 1: I'm able to file chexes. Now now they're taking my money.
Speaker 1: Now I'm I'm feeling way worser and lesser than the
Speaker 1: motherucking man, because I can't eat because I'm paying all
Speaker 1: of this I'm doing, I'm doing everything. I'm paying society
Speaker 1: still and I didn't. I didn't pay you all for
Speaker 1: my time, for my mistake, but you still pay for
Speaker 1: it when you when you release, when you get out.
Speaker 1: So it's just the system is just so fucked up
Speaker 1: and it don't help us at all. So don't tell
Speaker 1: me you put me in jail to to rehabilitate me,
Speaker 1: because when I get out, you ain't helping me, and
Speaker 1: then you want to put me back in there. That's
Speaker 1: what parole is for. If you if I'm living above
Speaker 1: my means, if if I get a car, where you
Speaker 1: get this mother phone? You ain't been at longer enough.
Speaker 1: It's eighty eight and you got a motherucking uh uh
Speaker 1: A ninety two A ninety No, you you can't have that.
Speaker 1: You're living above your means. You can't be in a
Speaker 1: certain place. You can't go and live in a certain place.
Speaker 1: So you can't hang around certain people because it ain't
Speaker 1: there the part when you first get out, you can't
Speaker 1: hang around the feelings well gang of Felling yeah, no
Speaker 1: fellas at all. So but when I when I got
Speaker 1: out of out of the state. One of my conditions
Speaker 1: was I couldn't get caught with game members. I couldn't well,
Speaker 1: goddamn my brothers and game members. I can't get caught
Speaker 1: in the car with them. You know what I'm saying, Cousins,
Speaker 1: you can't. They got a chill on you. They pretty
Speaker 1: much got a hold on you. And that's why a
Speaker 1: lot of cats go back and forth from violations because
Speaker 1: you can't beat them. Oh man, the probation thing is
Speaker 1: the biggest trick bag in the world. Man, man, how
Speaker 1: are you gonna tell me not to be around gang bangers?
Speaker 1: But on this side of me and on that side
Speaker 1: of me and the street of gang members. I grew
Speaker 1: up with these people here and you ray, you come
Speaker 1: in my house to check and see if if I
Speaker 1: got guns or whatever in here in my bedroom. But
Speaker 1: then my cousin on the couch where you from, I'm
Speaker 1: from whoo to whoo oh, you got a game bang
Speaker 1: in here. You're gonna get covered, and they take you
Speaker 1: to jail just to be shitty, Just to be shitty.
Speaker 1: It's hard to beat them. And that's why a lot
Speaker 1: of cats keep going back and forth to prison, because
Speaker 1: once you go to prison. You kind of fucked when
Speaker 1: you come home because you don't have you don't know
Speaker 1: what to expect. They stay going back and forth. Man,
Speaker 1: you know, like the thing is, man, that's the biggest
Speaker 1: thing that you bring a point to the thing just
Speaker 1: about not being around the fellers. What about if your
Speaker 1: mama game bang, your daddy a gag banging, your brother,
Speaker 1: gang banger, everybody pretty much in your house half the
Speaker 1: time as feelings. And that's what they call self parole.
Speaker 1: You gotta self parole. Don't parole when you get out.
Speaker 1: Don't have an address, you know what I'm saying. Uh,
Speaker 1: They expect you to go out there and get some
Speaker 1: type of general relief. They want you to go get
Speaker 1: some food stamps to something else. They won't let you
Speaker 1: be a man. They won't let you build your character,
Speaker 1: you know. Um. And what what's good with me was
Speaker 1: Shill Night came to my rescue, and I had a
Speaker 1: good ass baby mama. I had a straight ride of
Speaker 1: dive baby mama. My son Mama was at every prison
Speaker 1: I got rolled up to and and she was there
Speaker 1: to pick me up. She had her own ship. She
Speaker 1: never did no county, and I didn't have to worry
Speaker 1: about paying the county back. Real good show. If Nick
Speaker 1: ain't got a straight backbone when you come home, you
Speaker 1: out there by yourself. Yeah, let me ask you this, James.
Speaker 1: When you was in prison, how long did you do?
Speaker 1: I did two years and three months. Two years and
Speaker 1: three months. So she came straight to your rescue. He
Speaker 1: came to you, of course, and the rest is history.
Speaker 1: Came to you saying he needed you. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: when y'all kind of got your thing going, because without you,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have been able to make some of the
Speaker 1: moves he made. I think, and I still say this,
Speaker 1: when she came to me, she'll had a purpose. I
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was at the time. I was
Speaker 1: and and I don't have no more grapes. I was
Speaker 1: enjoying my freedom and the ship that he introduced me to.
Speaker 1: I was loving it. I'm fresh out, I'm good. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And you know, if she would
Speaker 1: have just left me alone, and I'd have probably been
Speaker 1: bad married to my first time mother, I probably would.
Speaker 1: It would have just had the weather the storm, because
Speaker 1: she had no you ain't gonna do this, We ain't
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna do this. But you know that penitentiary
Speaker 1: propaganda bullshit. You oh baby, we're going to church, we
Speaker 1: will will. Didn't happen that way. As soon as I
Speaker 1: stepped foot out, that motherfucker. It was only cracking. The
Speaker 1: first thing you want to do. You want to get
Speaker 1: something to drink. You wanna fuck, and you want to
Speaker 1: go see what the homers doing. I don't care what
Speaker 1: you're talking about in prison. And I said, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing none of that, and you can't. Soon as you
Speaker 1: came back, he was just right back on the blade.
Speaker 1: Then that the knock on the door. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: I make it to the house that night, I said
Speaker 1: about that morning before for I even at breakfast, ship
Speaker 1: was at the door, and uh he asked me what
Speaker 1: was going on? Ship nicking fresh out and what's happening?
Speaker 1: He looked out for me, okay, told me he was
Speaker 1: gonna come back this one he was going and forth
Speaker 1: to Vegas. Came and got me to a rod to
Speaker 1: Vegas with him, like fucking let's roll me and me
Speaker 1: and a homeboy time time when he kicked with him.
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, it was on. It was just
Speaker 1: on from there, man, like really man so and we
Speaker 1: didn't gonna turn this back into these things. But I
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people know, man, as a
Speaker 1: guy that did at that time. Man, do you think
Speaker 1: that it should wouldn't have came and got you? You You
Speaker 1: think you would eventually wound up going back in. To
Speaker 1: be honest, I think I probably would have had a problem.
Speaker 1: But and then on the other hand, I really don't know, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, my baby mama she was she was strong,
Speaker 1: she was solid, and she had me. But how long
Speaker 1: am I gonna be able to ride her? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because all of these things I said
Speaker 1: I want to do and I gotta do and and
Speaker 1: be good to her and and and love my son
Speaker 1: and provide. I can't get it out there with her
Speaker 1: job and her trying to take care of me. What
Speaker 1: that made me look like? So that was like a
Speaker 1: no no. That was like a no no. But then
Speaker 1: when I got to taste that that that freedom was
Speaker 1: should Man, I sucked up my relationship, put my baby
Speaker 1: mama just out there on some other ship, and then
Speaker 1: I went to I think North Carolina was the first
Speaker 1: place we went to when I got out, and it
Speaker 1: was it was just over I was. I was like
Speaker 1: old boy on Harlem nights. Uh tell your MoMA coming
Speaker 1: home no more. I was straight in the streets. So
Speaker 1: I mean, I made mistakes along the way and and
Speaker 1: and funked it up. But me and her are real
Speaker 1: cool now, you know what I'm saying. But you know,
Speaker 1: she would played a big part in it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it would have been well, I do know
Speaker 1: it would have been different. It would have been totally
Speaker 1: different because I would have had to I would have
Speaker 1: had to live like a regular motherfucker. But at that time,
Speaker 1: I still had the the gang mentality. I still wanted
Speaker 1: to be I still wanted to be morm James, and
Speaker 1: I was still out there like that. And the way
Speaker 1: the homies was, and the way my brother's and then was,
Speaker 1: you know, my brother Country was going back and forth
Speaker 1: to prison, and you know that part of the life.
Speaker 1: I don't think I was ready to let that go.
Speaker 1: Just just chunk the hood out and just you know,
Speaker 1: now I'm cutting grass and you know, and trying to
Speaker 1: pay bills, yeah, exactly, and they make it to wear
Speaker 1: man like I don't know, no man man that wants
Speaker 1: to live on general relief? What was General releaf like
Speaker 1: two hun month month something like that. A lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of cats get content and they're cool with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I ain't gotta do ship with sit
Speaker 1: back and smoke weed. It's out there every day and
Speaker 1: everybody out there that's listening. No, I ain't bullshit. It's
Speaker 1: it's just like catch moving in with a chick and
Speaker 1: she got get foods down and stuff. And you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And she don't want you to do ship.
Speaker 1: You feel me, I got this. As soon as she
Speaker 1: can't pay that bill, she's gonna be like, babe, we
Speaker 1: need to pay the light bill. And you like what
Speaker 1: you're telling me for you don't want you know, I
Speaker 1: ain't got it. You gotta get your sorry ass out.
Speaker 1: Now she's bringing you down. So now that's you gotta
Speaker 1: attack because you know what I'm saying, You gotta be aggressive.
Speaker 1: So now I'm arguing with you. Now you're telling me
Speaker 1: to get out your till. But he me, don't realize
Speaker 1: that the longer you lay up in her ship and
Speaker 1: be content, that's what you're gonna be. When she put
Speaker 1: you out, you ain't gonna want to get up and
Speaker 1: do it. And a lot of us have have fell
Speaker 1: into that that. Yeah, it's the biggest trap in the world, man,
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying, you know, So you get
Speaker 1: out to you on parole, man, you can't hanging around
Speaker 1: with no homies. You can't go get a job nowhere
Speaker 1: because they tell you got a record. Now you're on
Speaker 1: general relief and you're pretty much living with some chicken.
Speaker 1: This is the same scenario. I see a dude moves
Speaker 1: in with a bro. She got her section, they crib.
Speaker 1: She paying, you know, fifty dollars a month or whatever
Speaker 1: it was section they give you. Right, she got two
Speaker 1: or three kids, she's getting a couple hundred dollars for
Speaker 1: each kid, right, So it's chicken in the pot every night.
Speaker 1: He get this three hundred dollars a month. He's sitting
Speaker 1: around smoking weed all day and watching cable TV. And
Speaker 1: he gets accustomed to that, Like you said, the next
Speaker 1: when the time comes when they need that bill pay.
Speaker 1: How can you live in the house with a woman?
Speaker 1: And then she regulating ship because she paying all the ship.
Speaker 1: You you gotta come in, so long as you don't
Speaker 1: come in at a certain time. Now, no argument ship starts,
Speaker 1: you know, what I'm saying. So she paying all the
Speaker 1: vills and you're just sitting there chilling some cash. Are
Speaker 1: intent like that? But a real nigga that want to
Speaker 1: get his own ship and have his own ship, letting
Speaker 1: the homies pick me up and all this other bullshit
Speaker 1: ain't having it. But we we just get lazy and comfortable.
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna depend on this female to take
Speaker 1: care of me. I can't. And you know there's a
Speaker 1: lot of women out there say they'd rather have a
Speaker 1: half a man than a real man. She lost her
Speaker 1: motherfucking mind. You don't want the real nig You ain
Speaker 1: a real bit, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be with her anyway, fun taking care
Speaker 1: of me. I gotta get out here and get my
Speaker 1: own Now. If you tell me to put that back
Speaker 1: in your pocket, I'm gonna put it back in my pocket.
Speaker 1: Yeah see see you know what I think happens, though, Man,
Speaker 1: it's a really big trick bag man with just us
Speaker 1: as black man, because the separation of the family don't
Speaker 1: been going on for so long, man, because they tell
Speaker 1: you know, even when the women are on Section eight,
Speaker 1: they get told they're not allowed to have nobody in
Speaker 1: the house but them and their kids. A man is
Speaker 1: technically not supposed to be around for the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the first time you piss her off, all she gotta
Speaker 1: do is make a phone call. This dude is in
Speaker 1: here and he won't leave. You're going to getting as leaves.
Speaker 1: So what they're pretty much telling that woman you could
Speaker 1: push out as many babies as you want to and
Speaker 1: we go get you. I don't. I don't know whether
Speaker 1: he knows, so people don't don't. I don't want to
Speaker 1: see it in the comments, and I I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Is it three to five hundred dollars
Speaker 1: a baby or something they have? So you figured woman
Speaker 1: got three kids in the house. That's plus she's getting
Speaker 1: food stamps and all that kind of other stuff, and
Speaker 1: she probably I think, on the um, what is it
Speaker 1: on the section, Nate, But they're paying a couple of
Speaker 1: dollars a month and they create the Yeah, exactly, So
Speaker 1: she's getting tailored from them. So you got it in
Speaker 1: that bros here from the time she little where her
Speaker 1: mama telling her all them news ain't ship. They this
Speaker 1: ain't ship. So she don't really need a man in
Speaker 1: her mind, so the first time she gets one, she's
Speaker 1: in the position to control almost that kind of you
Speaker 1: kind of went from from the mama. Now everything is
Speaker 1: a system norm and you see it every day. The
Speaker 1: home girl. The home girl got section eight. She got
Speaker 1: a dude stand with her. But they don't want nobody,
Speaker 1: no male figure in the house. Why why why this
Speaker 1: my just my boyfriend because he should be able to provide, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: but it's a little deeper than that. What happens when
Speaker 1: you got the mom and daddy living together and raising
Speaker 1: their kids. Oh, everything go trying to be righteous? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got a strong foundation. You well, now I'm gonna say, Sean,
Speaker 1: but you have a foundation with without both hairs. You
Speaker 1: just got the mama trying to raise knuckle heads such
Speaker 1: as myself. What you have exactly what they want you
Speaker 1: to have. We I can't keep my job if I
Speaker 1: don't have nobody to put in jail. If they patrolled
Speaker 1: the good and what do they see? They see us?
Speaker 1: That's why you get some kinds that don't get a column.
Speaker 1: They block your gass up, put dope on you and
Speaker 1: all the other ship. I'm going I'm going like like
Speaker 1: losing myself. But it's everything is a is designed for
Speaker 1: us to lose, you know, and it's a thing we
Speaker 1: don't see it. When we see it, it's too late.
Speaker 1: When we don't understand it, it's too late. I was
Speaker 1: I was reading, uh this guy somebody uh a text
Speaker 1: and I was reading and you know, just listening, and
Speaker 1: half of the ship that they you know, people say
Speaker 1: it's crazy. M hmm. Every baby in mama had was
Speaker 1: none of them was ever on the county, none of them. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't have nobody to blame pretty much but myself
Speaker 1: for half of the ship that I did. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because I accepted cocaine over my baby mama.
Speaker 1: I accepted gang banion over my baby mama's. You know,
Speaker 1: if I had got my motherfucking mind right at the beginning,
Speaker 1: when I first had my first son, then I think
Speaker 1: I would have been cool. I wouldn't have went to prison.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have did this. And and you know, having
Speaker 1: my son come to prison and see me in prison
Speaker 1: was the worstest fucking feeling, but it was a good
Speaker 1: feeling at the same time. I was able to sing,
Speaker 1: I was able to pick him up and hug him
Speaker 1: and watch him running around that goddamn up visiting room,
Speaker 1: you know, pointing people and tell him that's my daddy,
Speaker 1: that's my daddy. And it was a good thing. But
Speaker 1: just to watch them leave it was another thing. You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's crazy, man. Yeah, well you know what I think, man,
Speaker 1: I got the biggest behind that. That's why I brought
Speaker 1: up this guy in the beginning, man, because it seemed
Speaker 1: like they wanted them back there so bad. I think
Speaker 1: prison has turned into a gold mine for these people.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this. You know, they're talking about the
Speaker 1: prison phone industry, and that's a market dominated by several
Speaker 1: large five the Hill firms that earned an estimated at
Speaker 1: one point to billion dollars a year. They make one
Speaker 1: point two billion dollars years just from Nikka's call at
Speaker 1: home and and the phone because the phone is different.
Speaker 1: You gotta put the ship on the car now you
Speaker 1: can't call collect exactly. And then uh Sherman Sherman Block
Speaker 1: daughter runs the canteen in the county jail. She she
Speaker 1: making millions of dollars. She she breaking it up. So yeah,
Speaker 1: they swished it for them to make money. And then
Speaker 1: look at what they're doing right now. They have removed
Speaker 1: the in person family vegetation room to make way for
Speaker 1: video vigitation terminals, and those are provided by private firms
Speaker 1: to wishing charges as much as thirty dollars for forty
Speaker 1: minutes of screen time. One prison phone company, Securious Technology,
Speaker 1: says in the marketing materials that this is paid up
Speaker 1: one point three billion dollars and commissions over the past
Speaker 1: teen years. So that makes me think, you go back
Speaker 1: to this Charles guy, right, they let him out of jail,
Speaker 1: then somebody looks up and says, you messed with my money,
Speaker 1: and I'll bring that niggas ass back to jail. I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, what if he wouldn't getting visits? What if
Speaker 1: he wouldn't uh, let's say a productive inmate like that. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, that wouldn't make no sense to holding back
Speaker 1: in jail. They had a reason to go you know what.
Speaker 1: But but they had a reason to go back and
Speaker 1: get him. But but that's the thing though, It's like
Speaker 1: we're more valuable inside man than we are out, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, because it's let's say, it's
Speaker 1: profitable to have you and and and incrocerated in the
Speaker 1: county jail, in any any prison, because they found a
Speaker 1: way to break your family, to work your family out
Speaker 1: of money, just like selling drugs. Put that money fifty
Speaker 1: seventy dollars on the card and that should go like this.
Speaker 1: You don't control the minutes or none of that ship,
Speaker 1: then the the food. You can't send the package like that.
Speaker 1: Like out of TVs, everything is through a catalog. Now
Speaker 1: whoever control that catalog is making a lot of goddamn money. Okay,
Speaker 1: check this out. The commissary in prison earned one point
Speaker 1: six billion dollars last year. So that same dude you're saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: he might not have got no phone calls, but that
Speaker 1: motherfucker eat and he works in there. Everybody you're working for.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying, saying, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Them things that they built, and you think they're not
Speaker 1: making the profit off of them, They the police is
Speaker 1: making profits. But you ain't gotta pay number in there
Speaker 1: that that that's gonna take care of you. You're gonna
Speaker 1: get your your your probably your hygiene ship or whatever.
Speaker 1: If you don't have nobody on the our shot to
Speaker 1: take care of you, you pretty much done in the system.
Speaker 1: Unless you gotta hustle. Whether you're working from the house
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Speaker 1: and this ship on your your envelotion and ship like that.
Speaker 1: If you don't know how to make frames, if you
Speaker 1: don't know, if you don't have a hustler in there,
Speaker 1: your asses out living, just think you gotta wump with
Speaker 1: the motherfucker's on every day. Think about its ninety five
Speaker 1: degrees out of here. How to degree ease. But if
Speaker 1: I want to go outside, I got to wear these boots.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's real talk. So if if you gotta live
Speaker 1: in that station ship everything every time you walk, it's
Speaker 1: gonna remind you where you at. But you got cash
Speaker 1: out there living and got their own motherfucking me. I
Speaker 1: had my own shoes, my my own ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But it's rough. But they're making a
Speaker 1: lot of money off of it because they figured the
Speaker 1: way out. They got a plan. So everything you're doing there,
Speaker 1: whatever you're doing there, is making them money. Yeah. That's
Speaker 1: the thing, man. That's why I tell my kids, I
Speaker 1: tell all my nephews and stuff. Man, if you can
Speaker 1: stay out that system, stay out of this this, don't
Speaker 1: even get started in there, because the thing is, it's
Speaker 1: almost like they're waiting to trap you know, once they
Speaker 1: get ahold of you, they got you forever. Almost have
Speaker 1: seemed like, you know, you've been very fortunate, James, you know,
Speaker 1: just you know, some of the stuff that has happened
Speaker 1: in your life, man, just to be able to make
Speaker 1: that transit and I speaking to that, so you wanna
Speaker 1: flay it again when you do that right before the
Speaker 1: going oh yeah, and in between the quarantine, yeah yeah, flatished.
Speaker 1: Me and Black became really cool, um, you know, conversation wise,
Speaker 1: and I mean, you know, we we don't hang out
Speaker 1: or nothing like that. Um, you know, father conversation. You know,
Speaker 1: hearing like me on a lot of ship ship that
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, And I was gonna say
Speaker 1: that earlier. People say you need to do this, and
Speaker 1: you need to that. You man, read some books. I
Speaker 1: started reading books. I started paying attention more like Black
Speaker 1: was saying. Um, a lot of a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: people say about Black. I listen, But then I don't
Speaker 1: see that in him. Well, you know the thing he
Speaker 1: was man, and I ain't gonna get into a big
Speaker 1: conversation about Lad. Lad is not Lad is not a
Speaker 1: bad dude to me. Lad promotes the show constantly. I
Speaker 1: don't have nothing bad to say about the man. First
Speaker 1: of all, I don't know him like that like him,
Speaker 1: but all my interactions with him has been pretty positive.
Speaker 1: It's one question he asked, though. He asked about the
Speaker 1: KEYPD thing we were doing. That is going to happen,
Speaker 1: But so for your information, we are going to do that.
Speaker 1: You know, let's go do it, but it has to
Speaker 1: be at the right time. We are in the middle
Speaker 1: of a quarantine and we did try to set that
Speaker 1: meeting up with Keifi a few times before it happening.
Speaker 1: And he was taking this time getting by it. So
Speaker 1: it ain't just like it was just on me and
Speaker 1: James to make that happen. But that is something that's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, um. And you know, I think, like I
Speaker 1: told you before, I try to make moves without rushing
Speaker 1: into things. You know what I'm saying. It has to
Speaker 1: be right. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do I'm
Speaker 1: learning I had no patience whatsoever, and I'm I'm learning that.
Speaker 1: And I know it's a lot of brothers out there
Speaker 1: like me that that lives that life and want to
Speaker 1: change it. And the beginning of it. The whole recipe
Speaker 1: is you gotta have patience. Sh It ain't gonna change
Speaker 1: for for us overnight because we still gotta battle out
Speaker 1: here and then we gotta deal with ourselves. This right
Speaker 1: here was the worstest part fighting myself, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's it's a lot of guys out there,
Speaker 1: and and I get it in my comments Facebook all that,
Speaker 1: that's that's man trying to find that way out. But
Speaker 1: it's hard as your motherfucker. Your way out might not
Speaker 1: be the same way my way out. It's not hard.
Speaker 1: You just gotta really like say funk that this is
Speaker 1: the way for me. I gotta do it. I don't
Speaker 1: give a funk if he thinking it's fucked up hard,
Speaker 1: I'm turning into a pussy. Show me. I'm a pussy,
Speaker 1: y'all to know what you're that's what you have to
Speaker 1: find your own way because you know we us are you.
Speaker 1: I get like at least maybe ten fifteen brothers a
Speaker 1: week hitting me, man, I got a story? Can I
Speaker 1: do a podcast? And it's just like I tell him,
Speaker 1: I say, whatever was James the way yours? Maybe something
Speaker 1: else different, bro, But everybody just can't go get a
Speaker 1: podcast and crack off like that. This is a lot
Speaker 1: of work too. It's a lot of time that goes
Speaker 1: into it. It It ain't just like we just come in
Speaker 1: here and just six we just go in and talk.
Speaker 1: If it was up to me, I would have told him, hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can do a podcast. You you want to come
Speaker 1: in and shoot in on the podcast, or you want
Speaker 1: to just talk about your story, because I guarantee you
Speaker 1: this is what helped, This is what helps Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: Now if they want to come in and be a guest,
Speaker 1: I'm more than willing to do that. But what I
Speaker 1: always like being I always like to help people manage
Speaker 1: the expectations, right the first step, come in and talk
Speaker 1: to us. Tell your story if it's something that because
Speaker 1: right I don't decide who gets a podcast to people do.
Speaker 1: If we have a guest and somebody is writing in
Speaker 1: the meet like man, have him on there again, have
Speaker 1: him on it, then that's when I have to literally say,
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe it is to make an evest.
Speaker 1: It's worth the investment to do it. Because the thing
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, going back to the Kifie thing.
Speaker 1: You just told me about that situation with him. How
Speaker 1: many months before we actually met, maybe two months to
Speaker 1: three meetings, you know. So the thing it was after
Speaker 1: while I had to think about as a businessman, think, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this thing now if I get this
Speaker 1: cat some money, is he gonna run off? Is he
Speaker 1: gonna trail over? You know? How can we do it
Speaker 1: to where? Don't is? I'm not an lose either. And
Speaker 1: one thing about it is um like a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't know. We're don't talk about the business too much.
Speaker 1: But James own is a part of against the chronicles.
Speaker 1: It's not you know, you know, I'm just being real
Speaker 1: now because we have to start doing stuff. What I
Speaker 1: really want brothers to start doing is it's okay to
Speaker 1: go to different people and do interviews and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but learn how learn how to own your own stuff
Speaker 1: well and and and that's hard to do because I've
Speaker 1: never thought that I would be in a position. And
Speaker 1: that's one thing. We got to stop selling ourselves short.
Speaker 1: But I never thought i'd be in a position to
Speaker 1: say I want a part of anything. So everybody is
Speaker 1: not can't get that break, but the beginning of it,
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody got their own way and the way
Speaker 1: it is right there. Chalk about your situation because everybody
Speaker 1: out there doesn't live this life. The majority of the people.
Speaker 1: Everybody can't say they pretty much did it rough like that,
Speaker 1: or or they can't believe that you know, cats live
Speaker 1: like that. But we all lived a ship and everybody's
Speaker 1: story is different, you know what I'm saying. But not
Speaker 1: to just let everybody know your business or this and that.
Speaker 1: Like even even the podcast, the first thing I asked,
Speaker 1: what you want to talk about? What you don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about? Because I don't want to put you
Speaker 1: out there and and and put you on the spot.
Speaker 1: Me and Blair talked to about that type of ship.
Speaker 1: It's up to me to shay and speak on what
Speaker 1: what I speak on. If I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about it, I'm not scared of nobody. I'm not scared
Speaker 1: of Lad. I'll just shut the funk up. So we
Speaker 1: all have. I ain't even got the right word for it,
Speaker 1: but we all. I'll make up my own mind exactly,
Speaker 1: and I and I know how far I'm gonna go,
Speaker 1: and and and to each his own. Everybody got their
Speaker 1: own way. And that's the thing. Man. Like I said
Speaker 1: before and before I say what I'm gonna say, I
Speaker 1: don't have no problem with Lad. Lad has promoted this show,
Speaker 1: He promotes stuff. Lad treats me with utmost respect every
Speaker 1: time we talked. As far as I'm concerning, Vlad is
Speaker 1: a good brother. I'm gonna tell you one thing that
Speaker 1: I didn't like that M and Adam tween two did.
Speaker 1: I admit Damon Dash could be an asshole. I think
Speaker 1: Damon Dash is arrogant. I think cocky sometimes, you know.
Speaker 1: I think he just kind of overtalks itself so much
Speaker 1: with leads with which may lead the people who want
Speaker 1: to see him lose. But I didn't like and it
Speaker 1: wasn't so much just Lad. I don't like the way
Speaker 1: Adam twenty two and them put him out there about
Speaker 1: the fives. I thought that was kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of like it's almost like they got hard on.
Speaker 1: I don't know what daming him dead to him, but
Speaker 1: I didn't like that because it kind of made him
Speaker 1: look a little you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I'm always right with my brothers, you know. I didn't
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know if that was so much
Speaker 1: Lad as it was versus Adam, but then Adam have
Speaker 1: been up there. I don't have personal problems with these
Speaker 1: guys though, so when people hit us up in the comments,
Speaker 1: I look at people sometimes it's not saying what the
Speaker 1: hell is Vlad done to you for you to feel
Speaker 1: that way about him? You feel what I mean because
Speaker 1: the old on, because these brothers have a choice of
Speaker 1: answering these questions when they go up there. I don't
Speaker 1: see Vlad with no gun and nobody's head making somebody
Speaker 1: answer some ship. Well, I'm on the same side, okay.
Speaker 1: On this side of the table is black. On this
Speaker 1: side of the table. It's it's me. M Blad has
Speaker 1: got a platform. Blad want to speak on things and
Speaker 1: get you to say things. That's gonna boost the views
Speaker 1: on this show. Yeah. Sure. So if he didn't do that,
Speaker 1: then how good is this show gonna be? And how
Speaker 1: many people are gonna view it to say oh that's
Speaker 1: that's or to see the next clip or whatever. And
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna happen if you don't get no juices ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, you know what I'm saying. So he's doing
Speaker 1: what he has to do. It's up to me being
Speaker 1: to say, Man, I'm not gonna answering that ship. Why
Speaker 1: are you asking me that it's being good? Because you
Speaker 1: know all of that mac teen? Right? Um, Me and
Speaker 1: mac teen was talking another day and he hit me
Speaker 1: and it was kind of tripped me out because I
Speaker 1: ain't talking to Mack in a minute. He hit me.
Speaker 1: It was like, still you see the Lad interview we
Speaker 1: did And I said, yeah, looked at it a little bit.
Speaker 1: He was like, man, I wasn't about the answer of
Speaker 1: that stuff, and that was his choice. He did this
Speaker 1: move as hell. You know, Lad asked something, He's like,
Speaker 1: what did you think? Do you know you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I think it's everybody's choice, and I
Speaker 1: think lad is pretty much doing his job. He got
Speaker 1: a platform. If he was on there talking about with everybody,
Speaker 1: would nobody be looking at that ship? Exactly? So who
Speaker 1: do you blame when when if I asked you a
Speaker 1: question and you answer it, that's my fault because I
Speaker 1: answered that ship. You know what I'm saying, So however
Speaker 1: came out of me. That's that's the same perception people
Speaker 1: gonna get. Yeah, exactly. And that's and that's the thing, man,
Speaker 1: you know, just going back to all this, I look
Speaker 1: at this guy, you know, going back to him that
Speaker 1: we started off talking about now, brought him up just
Speaker 1: to go back to the point about the prison industrial
Speaker 1: system about how they like to keep brothers locked up.
Speaker 1: You know. You know who came to his rescue, right,
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian. Why well, she's the one that brought it
Speaker 1: up about when they want to put him back in jail.
Speaker 1: She started advocating for him. And you know, I guess
Speaker 1: this relationship that that that that um that the wests
Speaker 1: have with our president is pretty strong, because you know,
Speaker 1: Trump maybe to where he got to jail after five
Speaker 1: more years. You know what, I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was five more years he did. I got to go
Speaker 1: back and do the research. Maybe we had to bring
Speaker 1: the fact check back. Yes, we got research that. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he did five more years, but he
Speaker 1: definitely went back to sailing. Did some time. If it
Speaker 1: was a month, it was too much, you know, it
Speaker 1: was a month too much, you know, because they just
Speaker 1: you know, they let their brothers, gave his freedom and
Speaker 1: then want to drop him back in jail, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like I said, every time we put
Speaker 1: our pants on and walk out the door and getting
Speaker 1: board and some ship's double jeoparty, we we wake up
Speaker 1: taking a chance. We wake up in the middle of
Speaker 1: some ship. You think we have We think we have opportunity.
Speaker 1: We think today're gonna be better. But as soon as
Speaker 1: you walk out that door, all the bushes started hitting you.
Speaker 1: Living is not designed for us, I mean to be comfortable.
Speaker 1: I mean, I ain't saying we can't be productive, because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of black people out there that's doing
Speaker 1: a thing. But to come from where we come from,
Speaker 1: just being in the hood and and and living the
Speaker 1: body life and all of the other bullshit in prison,
Speaker 1: it's totally different. The odds are against us, it's against you.
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk how do you do it?
Speaker 1: And it's it's just totally different. It's you know, our
Speaker 1: our sisters out there ain't um like they used to be.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's some good ass black
Speaker 1: women out there, no doubt, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But the ones that that was that was stick by
Speaker 1: their dude. You know what I'm saying. When man, I
Speaker 1: don't want to get all of my personal business, but
Speaker 1: every every woman I had in my life, all my
Speaker 1: baby mama's had good jobs. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: They just fucking with the wrong dude me because I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I my weird life and my way of thinking wasn't
Speaker 1: getting the funk up and going to work and then
Speaker 1: coming home and bringing a woman my money. Being in
Speaker 1: the hood and hanging with the home girls and drinking
Speaker 1: and and and everything else was was my thing. I
Speaker 1: was more comfortable living like that. So that's why I say,
Speaker 1: we can't blame nobody for our get down. This is
Speaker 1: what I chose to do. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you got to learn how to appreciate what you can
Speaker 1: do and where you had at that point, because then
Speaker 1: I lost a lot of good friends. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying that. You know, when they died, they didn't
Speaker 1: have that, you know, their son to carry on and
Speaker 1: they didn't have nothing. We just just young niggas and
Speaker 1: they're gone, you know what I'm saying. So, Man, I
Speaker 1: appreciate everything every day every morning. Oh for sure, you
Speaker 1: have to, man. And you know as far as that go, man,
Speaker 1: I think that, Um, we all have a we all
Speaker 1: have a major part to play in our own life, man,
Speaker 1: and we can pretty much. I never talked about my
Speaker 1: story too much. Man. I came out to California, man
Speaker 1: in and when I say, you know how they talked
Speaker 1: about the story of carrying the stick. You know, you
Speaker 1: see the little things back in the day with the
Speaker 1: guy with the kid carrying the stick with the little
Speaker 1: um tied tied up with his belongings in it on
Speaker 1: the tip of the stick. That was literally me. Man.
Speaker 1: I came out here from Cleveland, Ohio, man with um,
Speaker 1: I think maybe seenti five dollars in my pocket right
Speaker 1: and um, back in the day, they used to have
Speaker 1: them vultures that used to getting the back of the
Speaker 1: newspaper buy tickets anywhere in the country for two hundred dollars. Right.
Speaker 1: They didn't have no tickets to go to l A.
Speaker 1: They had tickets to go to Vegas. And so that's
Speaker 1: back then we had the maps. Right. I looked, I said,
Speaker 1: what Vegas ain't That was before the internet. It wasn't
Speaker 1: the internet to go on and got no stuff. Right,
Speaker 1: So I said, what man, Vegas ain't too far away
Speaker 1: from Los Angeles, right, So I coordinated it. Man, where
Speaker 1: you figured? I was seventeen eighteen years old at the time.
Speaker 1: I caughta um the playing out the Vegas Man got
Speaker 1: in the Vegas like a twelve thirty at night. Man,
Speaker 1: got to the Greyhound station. Don't remember how I got there.
Speaker 1: I might have very well walked right went over there.
Speaker 1: Man went to call my mama. Man turned around, somebody
Speaker 1: on stole my luggage. Luckily I have my UM. Luckily
Speaker 1: I have my bus ticket in my thing. Man. So
Speaker 1: I caught a great hound man from Vegas and the
Speaker 1: Long Beach, California man and winning setting the bus um
Speaker 1: winning setting the studs man at Long Beach City College.
Speaker 1: Because I was out there to play football. I got
Speaker 1: the Long Beach City College man, maybe at four in
Speaker 1: the morning and setting the steps of the football office
Speaker 1: and just smiled and watched the sun rise. A lot
Speaker 1: of people might have been like, Man, I would have
Speaker 1: been panicking, But no, you figured I can't. Why well,
Speaker 1: how I wasn't shi out there for me? Man? If
Speaker 1: I don't want to stay, you know how I wound
Speaker 1: up there in prison somewhere. It was just was nothing
Speaker 1: from me out there. I had to get it from
Speaker 1: out there. So I say that to say this, man,
Speaker 1: I came out here man, selling the steps. Man. The
Speaker 1: coach came over the morning, said are you okay? Like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just a young dude sitting on the steps,
Speaker 1: and I'll say, I'm Norman Steel. I'm here to play football,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so they took care
Speaker 1: of me. Man. I've been going strong ever since. Man.
Speaker 1: But you know, um, everything in life, man is up.
Speaker 1: We we determined how successful we are, man, and we
Speaker 1: really have to believe in ourselves, man, to the point
Speaker 1: to where we're willing to go put some skin in
Speaker 1: the game. I got up off my ass left Ohio,
Speaker 1: came out west and when I came out here doing
Speaker 1: a D eight James. You know, it was on a
Speaker 1: cracking out here. It wasn't an easy place to live.
Speaker 1: You know. You just couldn't up and say you just
Speaker 1: gonna move from the Midwest to California and just not
Speaker 1: you know, it was banging was on at the fullest back.
Speaker 1: But you had to figure it out and at every
Speaker 1: we all got options. You can either go this way
Speaker 1: and get involved in this football shaped over with, or
Speaker 1: stick with it. You know what I'm saying. It's hard
Speaker 1: to stick with something positive when everything around you as negative.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Because you started you don't
Speaker 1: know nobody out here. I gotta eat, but how how
Speaker 1: am I going to eat? So you gotta sit here
Speaker 1: and figure out a way how to eat. So it's
Speaker 1: it's just it's crazy, but you was one of the
Speaker 1: lucky ones. Everybody don't got it right here like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's one of our biggest problems.
Speaker 1: We all ain't strong like that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And that's that's the demise of the majority of us,
Speaker 1: because we don't see nothing else but the hood. My
Speaker 1: vision was only comforting my vision was only the hood.
Speaker 1: My vision where where I'm gonna be at by six
Speaker 1: o'clock tonight, I'm gonna be on Pine Street getting drunk
Speaker 1: and motherfucker, I don't want to hear nothing now and
Speaker 1: after that smoking a fucking premo. Let's let's go roll
Speaker 1: trying to go to work. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That type of ship my vision was was short. I
Speaker 1: didn't have no nothing where. Okay, it's gonna take me
Speaker 1: here until after prison. Getting out of prison. Now getting
Speaker 1: out of prison, now you're back involved in and the
Speaker 1: ship that shunned you back to prison. So how do
Speaker 1: you work both of these to stay out of prison? Okay?
Speaker 1: One thing when you talk to police, police right to
Speaker 1: ship down, police put it in the computer. Now they
Speaker 1: got something. They know who you is the whole nine.
Speaker 1: We can't function doing what we're doing, and then everybody
Speaker 1: know who the funk we is. We've been a good
Speaker 1: caught up. So now you gotta figure out to slow
Speaker 1: your role. Are you just continued running reckless? No, I
Speaker 1: ain't nothing, pression you know, ain't nothing, ain't nothing at all.
Speaker 1: So I mean, we just gotta understand our surrounded and
Speaker 1: what the fun is going on and where we're at
Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, I just think, man, that um
Speaker 1: us as black man, and um I think the biggest
Speaker 1: thing we gotta stop doing. Man, it's just imagined, like
Speaker 1: you know, because I hear people always talk about the man, right,
Speaker 1: like the white man, this the white man, and I
Speaker 1: think we give that too much power roll sometimes, Manah,
Speaker 1: you know that they have a certain amount of power.
Speaker 1: But this also was up to man to get up
Speaker 1: off our tail feathers and go do something. You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's like the thing is, man. When I first
Speaker 1: started this network, Man, it almost started by accident, right,
Speaker 1: But I never looked for that nobody, you know. For
Speaker 1: the first thing we have to do is get out
Speaker 1: the thing that somebody owes or something. Right, don't nobody
Speaker 1: owe us the damn thing. We owe it to ourselves, man,
Speaker 1: to really do as much as we can. Man. And
Speaker 1: if we're doing what we're supposed to do. Man, I
Speaker 1: tell people all the time, Man, if you keep swinging
Speaker 1: the X, man, and you keep swinging the hammer, events
Speaker 1: you to tree go fall. It might take a little
Speaker 1: longer than than it would it be if you had
Speaker 1: to change so or something like that. But you keep
Speaker 1: swinging the X man, eventually that tree go go and
Speaker 1: fall down, you know what I mean. So we really
Speaker 1: have to really, man, just still on our peas and queues, man,
Speaker 1: and stop being so damn lazy and look for the
Speaker 1: hook up all the time. We just gotta start believing
Speaker 1: in ourselves, come being and doing the streets. Man. We
Speaker 1: gotta start paying attention. The police job is to lock
Speaker 1: you up to say whatever they gotta say to get
Speaker 1: you to say what they want you to say, period, period.
Speaker 1: Stop hating your your your brother, let it ride until
Speaker 1: you see otherwise. The only way, motherfucker I can prove
Speaker 1: to a motherfucker that that motherfucker telling on me if
Speaker 1: he's sitting in that chair and he pointed at me.
Speaker 1: These guys ain't gotta don't have to happen like that
Speaker 1: no more, because as soon as the police say y'ada, y'ada,
Speaker 1: you're gonna went down, you feel me, we gotta start
Speaker 1: believing in our in our motherfucking's self. And some of
Speaker 1: the homeboys and everybody ain't like that, But the police
Speaker 1: create the ship, and we're so easy to let other
Speaker 1: people put it in our fucking mind to where we
Speaker 1: believe it, and then we go nuttie on the ship
Speaker 1: not knowing the truth. And that's because the majority of
Speaker 1: us are aren't uneducated, and and we have that fuck
Speaker 1: the mentality where I'm not listening to ship, I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear ship. We gotta change that with us.
Speaker 1: That's what's gonna better. We have to really change that, man,
Speaker 1: because I look at so many man of us, like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what the biggest opportunity it is
Speaker 1: man for us as a people in the last twenty years,
Speaker 1: Man is really on our own content. We have the
Speaker 1: talent to sing, We got telling you know music, you know, rappings, music,
Speaker 1: just all around entertainment. Man. It's stuff that we're doing
Speaker 1: right now for example. Man, we have the opportunity now
Speaker 1: more than every man. I tell people all the time
Speaker 1: when they you know, I used to work in the
Speaker 1: music industry. People ask me all the time, how could
Speaker 1: I get on to do this and do that? I
Speaker 1: should tell them, man, I always tell them, stop waiting
Speaker 1: for somebody to give you something. You can do your own.
Speaker 1: Ship are rappers of California. Are not the a cons
Speaker 1: of Africa. The money that they're putting out there and
Speaker 1: building schools and all of this other ship. We're not
Speaker 1: doing that with ourselves out here. We're not taking a
Speaker 1: building and opening that building and putting the ship that's
Speaker 1: constructive to teach our little homies, our youngsters that y'all
Speaker 1: can meet in the middle. You in this class, y'all
Speaker 1: doing this and you you're learning the trade. We're not
Speaker 1: opening the building. You know, these guys can come together
Speaker 1: and put their money together, because the first time of
Speaker 1: two black niggers put their money together, the first thing
Speaker 1: come out of their mouth that they can cheating me,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he coming up on me? Or why you
Speaker 1: getting more money than me? And and and we divide
Speaker 1: ourselves from that. We ain't no good together. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: really got to change that narrative, because you look at us,
Speaker 1: we do good business together everybody. I don't have no
Speaker 1: problems with nobody on the networking. And I think, man,
Speaker 1: we really have to change that narrative among us and
Speaker 1: start really just thinking that everybody to come with us
Speaker 1: as enemies and the part of that same this communication too.
Speaker 1: It's hard for us and I'm gonna use Games of
Speaker 1: Chronicles as an example. It's hard for for for brothers
Speaker 1: to be together and be successful and see each other
Speaker 1: come up, not watch you come up? Are you come up?
Speaker 1: And my whole concept since I start doing this is
Speaker 1: a we week is I want to see us come up.
Speaker 1: I don't funk the fame aspect of it or this
Speaker 1: other bullshit that that all these other cats, I won't mind.
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk about them. That's where is
Speaker 1: the money ain't no good. You're gonna do what you
Speaker 1: do with it. But it is as you build, you're
Speaker 1: creating enemies. You're creating that. To me, everybody is stagnated.
Speaker 1: Everybody you're not getting nowhere because you're hating on him
Speaker 1: and he hating on you and you hate on him.
Speaker 1: Now with us, I think if we're all on the
Speaker 1: same page, we're all good. But something that somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: fall off. You can't get fire motherfucking niggas together, black
Speaker 1: men together and everybody thinking be on the same page.
Speaker 1: It's hard. It's very hard. It is not just hard,
Speaker 1: it's almost impossible because I think the big elephant in
Speaker 1: the know, even with us, what we're talking about, the
Speaker 1: gangster chronic goes on. I think people have noticed that
Speaker 1: Alex hasn't been on the show, probably like the past
Speaker 1: three episodes. Right, Well, I'm gonna say this, and and
Speaker 1: I've been getting a lot of that with the things
Speaker 1: that Alex has got going on. That Alex handah was business.
Speaker 1: Uh once again, James gonna try to hold this ship down.
Speaker 1: You know, we gotta wait on Reggie. And then here
Speaker 1: comes the creator of the Gangs to Chronicles. Had to
Speaker 1: come in and sit down because you know, my two
Speaker 1: hosts had gone, My my my brothers is gone. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I didn't ask for this ship.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how to do this, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So here you are, and I
Speaker 1: know people are gonna ask questions. Everybody knows where Reggie at.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, can't wait till you get
Speaker 1: his ass home. Well, me and Reggie gonna have a
Speaker 1: fight in June. Then we're gonna have a drink and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna come to work. That's how I see it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, So get that ship out of the way.
Speaker 1: And and you know the craziest shit about it is
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you that's how we're so fucked up.
Speaker 1: The people are Reggie sitting to jail. Let Reggie do
Speaker 1: is goddamn time and jail. Reggie don't need to know
Speaker 1: what the fund is really going on on the street.
Speaker 1: But people are are are getting that Reggie and talking
Speaker 1: to Reggie. That makes his time harder. You might not
Speaker 1: understand that, and people don't get it, you know, just
Speaker 1: sitting in jail to knowing what's going on on the streets.
Speaker 1: You want to be there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You want to be there, um and and and and
Speaker 1: Reggie's living like that, Reggie and jail, knowing the whole
Speaker 1: everything what's going on, and and that Reggie do his time.
Speaker 1: That that's gonna make his time harder at the end
Speaker 1: of it, because now that you know he's gonna come
Speaker 1: home and just people need to stop talking to him
Speaker 1: and being in his ear and let Reggie do his time.
Speaker 1: When Reggie come home, Reggie gonna be ready to go
Speaker 1: to work, ready to do his thing and just get
Speaker 1: back into it, especially getting that them with some negative ship,
Speaker 1: because you know that's what both But I here all
Speaker 1: the time. You know, well I heard that y'all did
Speaker 1: this and that, and you know half the ship. Don't
Speaker 1: be true, like where you get that from every once again,
Speaker 1: a man got a man gonna make up his mind.
Speaker 1: Don't react to react off of some bullshit that you
Speaker 1: don't even know is right or wrong. Because I can
Speaker 1: make a phone call, I can get in touch with you.
Speaker 1: And that's one of our biggest problems. We don't want
Speaker 1: to look at each other in the eye. And had
Speaker 1: that conversation. We don't want to be one hunt with
Speaker 1: each other. But we say one hunt every day, but
Speaker 1: we don't want to keep it one hunted. So a
Speaker 1: motherfucker gonna shot away. But when this cat right here
Speaker 1: trying to be one huney with you, he on some
Speaker 1: bullshit or he this, and that the story gets turned around. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Like I'm pretty sure that e Gene deal interview we
Speaker 1: did a few weeks ago. I'm pretty sure somebody that
Speaker 1: went back until Reggyo. They Haggene on the show when
Speaker 1: he said this net butine did he apologize to that
Speaker 1: man on the show. And it was the beat and
Speaker 1: it was letting noon that we ride with racing. Well,
Speaker 1: everybody out there, No, I'm a Robert Reggie. The only
Speaker 1: problem I got it, and what we don't have a
Speaker 1: day with each other's loyalty and and I think every
Speaker 1: since I started this, since Reggie introduced me to and
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm saying this and I ain't gonna say
Speaker 1: no more introduced me to the the the interviews and
Speaker 1: the in the gamest chronicles and all that I thought
Speaker 1: coming in with him, I'm doing. We're good, So showing
Speaker 1: my loyalty to you, Alex Brian, the whole nine. And
Speaker 1: that's always been my biggest slogan. If something happened while
Speaker 1: we're all here together and the motherfucker come tripping, I'm tripping.
Speaker 1: I'm just it ain't just your fight is our fight.
Speaker 1: If you take anything outside of that and go next
Speaker 1: door and and switching around, that's on you. That's on you.
Speaker 1: My loyalty having having changed, it's not gonna change. So
Speaker 1: when you get to talking and saying it about me, Nick,
Speaker 1: I don't think I ain't gonna bite back you bark
Speaker 1: at me. I'm gonna bark at you. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I gotta I gotta right to you
Speaker 1: feel me. And I'm not trying to bring up the
Speaker 1: other ship, but we shouldn't if we're rocking together like
Speaker 1: that I ain't got nothing bad to say. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna say nothing about you or no other motherfucker can
Speaker 1: sit in my presence and talk about you. That's just
Speaker 1: my loyalty to money. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's
Speaker 1: how it should be, man. And uh, you know the
Speaker 1: thing is, man of us, I go go back to
Speaker 1: it again. It's communication. Man. Like you said, it's like
Speaker 1: we have a problem with looking each other in the
Speaker 1: eye and telling each other what it is that we
Speaker 1: got on our minds. You know what I mean. Some
Speaker 1: of us was taught that back in our days, that
Speaker 1: when you look at him man, looking him in his
Speaker 1: eyes and talk to him, you know, don't don't talk
Speaker 1: to me with your head down. Catch these days, they
Speaker 1: ain't getting that. The younger generation ain't getting that. And
Speaker 1: I think, how do we put that back? You need
Speaker 1: we got boys, everybody that have kids. We need to
Speaker 1: instill that in them, you know what I'm saying, Our nephews,
Speaker 1: our cousins, and then they let other motherfuckers know. This
Speaker 1: is how men talk. You know what I'm saying, This
Speaker 1: is how we're supposed to be. If you got something
Speaker 1: to say to me, said, well, I'm offended or not.
Speaker 1: If it's wrong, I'm gonna tell you why it's wrong.
Speaker 1: But if it's the truth, I can't say, ship, you
Speaker 1: can't do nothing about that. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: But we don't accept that. We just want to get
Speaker 1: mad and we want to be violent. We are not
Speaker 1: just yeah we are. We were violing creatures, we somewhe
Speaker 1: but I mean, it's it's it's so easy for us
Speaker 1: to change who we are and what we want to be.
Speaker 1: Let's just stop blaming every motherfucking body for for our problems.
Speaker 1: Because ain't no motherfucker on the TV told me to
Speaker 1: get my gun and go shoot this motherfucker. Ain't nobody
Speaker 1: on TV told me I need to drib somebody to
Speaker 1: eat that. I know this, I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: It ain't your fault, it ain't your fault. We let's
Speaker 1: stop blaming everybody for our ship. Let's get our ship right.
Speaker 1: I swear the guy when I get good and and
Speaker 1: then and ready, then I'll be able to show instead
Speaker 1: of talk that ship, I'll be able to walk that walk.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Because I've always preached that
Speaker 1: I need a house for for for boys to get
Speaker 1: him in there and then to show them like my
Speaker 1: grandson so much practice. I'm rubbing him at three years old. Man,
Speaker 1: and and and I feel good because I didn't use
Speaker 1: that formula on my two sons. Us they they they
Speaker 1: my voice straighten them niggers out. I didn't have to
Speaker 1: whoop my sons. I went by the older son one time,
Speaker 1: my youngest son. As soon as I got aggressive, he
Speaker 1: put up the prayer of hands okay, dad, please please please.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying my my grandson, it's it's
Speaker 1: like hands on when he when he when he sucking up,
Speaker 1: stand right here and he no, no, and start doing this.
Speaker 1: I want to laugh at him, but I got him
Speaker 1: right here and he put his head down and do this,
Speaker 1: lift your head out, talk to Papa, look at me
Speaker 1: and and and he sit there and he looked at
Speaker 1: me like this, and he said no or whatever for
Speaker 1: going on. The situation might be. He don't put his
Speaker 1: head back down no more. And he talked to me.
Speaker 1: I want to teach him not to be scared of me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand me, but we get it twisted when we
Speaker 1: don't understand that. And you know, some cats and you
Speaker 1: know when I see him jerkob pull away or don't
Speaker 1: want to come close to me. Don't be afraid of me.
Speaker 1: I'm your papa. I got you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And everything I do, he's attached to it. And he
Speaker 1: started doing this ship I do. So he getting it
Speaker 1: and he understanding. And I wanted to rub off on
Speaker 1: him because the way I feel now and about myself,
Speaker 1: I'm just wrapped up in so much good ship. I'm cool, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of positive stuff going on. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm not angry whatsoever, no more. Yeah, man, And that's
Speaker 1: good because you've been able to use this as a
Speaker 1: platform to heal man. You know when I think that's
Speaker 1: what it is about. You know, the thing is, man,
Speaker 1: a lot of us need therapy. Man, a lot of
Speaker 1: us we don't need. Can't nobody sitting me in the
Speaker 1: chair and talk to me and tell me about me?
Speaker 1: And I and I made that quite clear in the
Speaker 1: fourth grade with a with a psychiatrist. That psychiatrist don't
Speaker 1: know jack shit about me. You can't tell me what
Speaker 1: I am today. You can't tell me. Take that pencil
Speaker 1: and draw all of those those squares and triangles and
Speaker 1: and make that start right there. Okay, I'll do that.
Speaker 1: I sat there with the pencil. That motherfucker walked out
Speaker 1: the dough, I put the put the the circle on
Speaker 1: the paper, and I traced that motherfucker and and and
Speaker 1: I did all of them. The butterfly, all that ship.
Speaker 1: I traced it and and put the pilce down and
Speaker 1: left it right there. Just say he ain't crazy for real,
Speaker 1: real talking, I'm not finn. I'm not gonna play that game.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna figure the easy way out. So
Speaker 1: it's that. I don't think it's nothing room with therapy, though, James,
Speaker 1: you know some people, some people need it, man, you
Speaker 1: know some people. You think about it. You got fortunate,
Speaker 1: man that she was able to go out and talking,
Speaker 1: you know, able to get it all like your system
Speaker 1: with this. Everybody don't have that though, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. This didn't this, this, this was the better
Speaker 1: part of it. I had to get to understand where
Speaker 1: I wanted to go and with the fun what I
Speaker 1: don't want to do no more, what I was uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with doing. I didn't want to carry my pistol on
Speaker 1: the daily. I don't want to go out there and
Speaker 1: shoot at a brother that that this should have don't
Speaker 1: mean nothing. It don't mean nothing. Game banging was was
Speaker 1: senseless at this point to me, Why continue to destroy
Speaker 1: when you could be a total different way? Why, I mean,
Speaker 1: just just just going to sleep, just the nightmares, just
Speaker 1: to think in the way I was thinking looking out
Speaker 1: the fucking windows. Think. I mean, it's so much ship,
Speaker 1: come with this. It ain't just you game banging and
Speaker 1: you're just living that life and everything is is easy. Man.
Speaker 1: I had to find a way, liquor, what's my way
Speaker 1: to cope with a lot of this ship. I had
Speaker 1: to get fucked up drunk, pissy drunk, not to even
Speaker 1: worry about that type of ship. So man, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a it's a process. Here's a big learning process.
Speaker 1: So if you're not ready to go through that, then
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. You're just gonna be where you at.
Speaker 1: So every man, that just every individual has to figure
Speaker 1: out a way and what's the best way for me
Speaker 1: to change get my ship together? And and that's where
Speaker 1: it all starts. Once you figure that out, and and
Speaker 1: and and learn how to respect your homeboys, and learn
Speaker 1: how to respect your mama. Learn how to respect your sisters,
Speaker 1: because if you don't respect your mama and your sisters,
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna respect nowatire on the street. But on
Speaker 1: that note, I mean, you know, we got great stuff coming.
Speaker 1: We got uh Willie D coming, Yeah, we got Willie
Speaker 1: D coming up. If that brother every hits me back again,
Speaker 1: we got mac ten coming up. We got a lot
Speaker 1: of incredible stuff coming. Man. We want to thank you
Speaker 1: all man for sitting here with us today on another
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Speaker 1: we see you all at minute. I got one more thing.
Speaker 1: Um my boy, Nino Capaccino. I got to give a
Speaker 1: shout out to him, and I think it's only right.
Speaker 1: That's just my boy. Uh, he got his podcast, ain't
Speaker 1: going rules of engagement check him out. He owned some
Speaker 1: positive ship. He's trying and I'm with the uplift. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to support my brother because he's doing his ship
Speaker 1: on his own. One hunter to you, rules of engagement,
Speaker 1: check him out, Nino Brown. I mean, where's where's ninos?
Speaker 1: Some podcasts? That is everywhere I've listened on Spotify And
Speaker 1: what I do is I get a link for you
Speaker 1: and I put it in our things so we can
Speaker 1: get their brothers subscribed. But shut off the Nino cappuccino
Speaker 1: all the time. One we're out