1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this the 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. It is the 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: last listener mail segment of the year. It is twenty Yes, 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: the next time you hear this, it will be twenty 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: twenty two. If you are tuning into each of these 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: as these each come out, and uh, well keep these voicemails, 14 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: keep these emails coming. Uh we love hearing from you. 15 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: We have got some strange places to go in in 16 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: today's show. So we're going to see what lies beyond 17 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: the boundaries of death. We're going to see what lies 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: beyond the horizon the geopolitical future, and then we're going 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: to quite literally hear some strange things. You might see 20 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: some strange things as well. I suggest that we begin 21 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: at the end. For a great many people Uh, and 22 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: that that is the idea of death. I always know that. Unfortunately, 23 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 1: suicide does tend to spike towards the end of the year. Um. 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: People have a lot of challenging things. Everyone is fighting 25 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: a great battle that you probably don't know about unless 26 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: you are that person. And Uh, it makes me think 27 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: of Voltaire who famously asked, I believe it was Voltaire asked, 28 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: why are we afraid of death? Were we afraid of 29 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: being born? It's a question that's very difficult to answer. 30 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: But a lot of our fellow conspiracy realists listening along 31 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: today have had near death experiences. UM. And I I 32 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: think that, you know, without putting a spotlight on any 33 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: of us, I don't know about you guys, but I've 34 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: had some things like that that I can't explain because 35 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: I have often, you know, had some ill informed misadventures. 36 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: But we are here, we are with you. In the 37 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: last week, and uh, you know, we received this excellent 38 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: We had a lot of people writing into us about 39 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: things concerning reincarnation, things concerning you know the great question 40 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: of what happens when your body and your mind appear 41 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: to leave this mortal coil. Uh, And quite recently received 42 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: an excellent story about this, but I think no this 43 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: this also has a mention of something else you found 44 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: interesting that is more disease related than death related. Right 45 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: and times we're talking about death and disease um with 46 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: this listener mail. It's the double whammy. And it comes 47 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: from listener who'd like to be referred to as almost 48 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: widowed that as a specific nickname tied to this particular story, 49 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: Almost widowed rights. My husband was completely against the COVID 50 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: nineteen vaccine. I was vaccinated with a trial vaccine, novavax. 51 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: I'd love an episode on that, and I do believe 52 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: that it's very much worth that. Uh Well, in September, 53 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: our oldest son, fourteen, got sick from school. He was 54 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: COVID positive. We all got tested. My husband and youngest 55 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: son also tested positive. My daughter and I did not, 56 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: so we all tried to separate, but the damage was done. 57 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: We all ended up getting it. I went to the 58 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: hospital um September twenty nine. My husband came to the 59 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: hospital the same day and was admitted. Shout out to 60 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: my best friend for caring for the house, kids and 61 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: animals when we were both sick. I was on a 62 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: low amount of oxygen for a few days, went home 63 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: October three. On October four, however, my husband was placed 64 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: on a ventilator. UH. Things were very rough for us. 65 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: Then on October eleven, he was transferred up to Atlanta. 66 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: We live in Columbus, UH to go to Emory University 67 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: for e c M O ECMO, which is a thing 68 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: that was mentioned in the last Strange News episode. Been 69 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: your story about how pig anuses can help with oxygenation 70 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: of the blood potentially. UM, So if you haven't checked 71 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: that one out, very much worthwhile. Also shout out to 72 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: Columbus State University in Columbus, Georgia. Absolutely, it was a 73 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: long road do do do do with many d's, UM, 74 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: but I did get him back home on December two, 75 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: Thank the Lord. UM. Before we get to the near 76 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: death experience story, I just want to mention this um 77 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: no vax nova vax Rather, I did not realize this 78 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: was a experimental uh covid vaccine that held clinical trials 79 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: here in the US. And then the results from this 80 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: phase three clinical trial that enrolled around thirty thousand adults 81 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: in the US and Mexico showed that the quote investigational 82 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: vaccine known as nv x DASH c o V two 83 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: three seven three showed a ninety point four percent efficiency 84 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: in preventing symptomatic COVID nineteen disease UM, and the candidates 85 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: also showed a hundred percent protection against moderate and severe 86 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: disease UH and in people at high risk of developing 87 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: complications from COVID nineteen people sixty five years and older UH, 88 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: and people under the age of sixty five with certain 89 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: COMORBIDIT ease like regular exposure to COVID nineteen. The vaccine 90 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: also was very effective and showing ninety one percent efficacy 91 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: and preventing symptomatic COVID nineteen UH. The US clinical trial 92 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: results show that it is safe and it does appear 93 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: to be very close. This company, Novak's, which is based 94 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: in Maryland, is very close to getting approval for this vaccine, 95 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: which would make it UH the five I think UM 96 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: approved vaccine here in the United States. If I'm not mistaken, 97 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,119 Speaker 1: maybe it's yeah, it's definitely EU. But this is something 98 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: that would potentially UM come to the United States. So 99 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: UH shout out to almost widowed for participating in this 100 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: clinical trial and it apparently worked so well. I guess 101 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: it could have been a placebo though, right, isn't that 102 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: part of the risky run in participating in a clinical 103 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: trial you might not get the real thing, right, Yeah, 104 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: Typically if you're part of the control group, then you 105 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: might not get the h the actual thing they're testing. 106 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: So we need to learn more about the specifics of 107 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: that trial. But just to be clear to everybody, yes, 108 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: novavax real vaccine. It works in a different way, which 109 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: is something we can talk about later, which if I'm fascinating, 110 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: But it is definitely not nova locks. That is something different. 111 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: It is not effective against against the COVID ninteam um 112 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: virus to Oh yeah, I'm saying if only it were, 113 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: I would be a happy boy. That is some good stuff. 114 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: I recently went to New York City for fun. I 115 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: got out of there too, which seems to be a 116 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: pattern for me. Right before the COVID hit the fan 117 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: he had again. Now literally week after I've been there, 118 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: everything is closing down again and people are not having 119 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: a particularly great time in New York City. Um. Anyway, 120 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: going to the death part of the story, back to 121 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: the letter, my husband I believe had a near death 122 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: experience when he was finally woken up from all the drugs. 123 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: He was asking for his Bible. Now, my husband has 124 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: never been a religious man, but I brought up two bibles, 125 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: my Bible along with his family's Bible. I also gave 126 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: the hospital staff some YouTube videos to quote read the 127 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: Bible to him. They would turn it on for him, 128 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: sit the computer on his shoulder, and every time a 129 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: nurse would come in he would get their attention. He 130 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: still couldn't talk, so all of this was mouthed. It 131 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: took quite some time before he could speak, and I 132 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: would ask him why he was asking for a Bible. 133 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: He told me that he had dreams over and over 134 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: again that he was dying and my father and I 135 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: were there and we went toward the light, and he 136 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: went to hell. He saw himself die multiple times, and 137 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: he could tell he was being tormented in Hell. He 138 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: doesn't talk about it much, and I don't want to 139 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: push the issue because I know he's still trying to heal. 140 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: But I certainly believe this falls into the quote near 141 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: death experience. I love the show. Y'all are amazing. Feel 142 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: free to use my email code name whatever you want. 143 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: Almost widowed. Um, Yeah, I mean this whole going into 144 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: the light thing like it's all so fascinating, uh, in 145 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: that it appears to be a shared experience for many, 146 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: many people who are on their deathbed or on death's door. 147 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: I guess as it were. Um. Not not making light 148 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: of this at all, but it reminds me of a 149 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: scene in my Obligatory Sopranos reference where Michael Imperioli's character 150 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: Christopher multi Santi Uh is in the hospital. Um. No spoilers, 151 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: but he is in the hospital, UM, and he says, 152 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: I saw the tunnel and the white light, I saw 153 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: my father in hell, and the bouncer said that I'd 154 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: be there too when my time comes, to which Pauli 155 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: Walnuts asked what bouncer, and then Christopher says, the Emerald Piper, 156 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: that's our hell. It's an Irish bar where at St 157 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: Patrick's day every day forever, um, because you know they're 158 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: Italian and they don't care for the Irish. But yeah, 159 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it is such an interesting shared experience in 160 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: the same way that people who takes a d M 161 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: t UM apparently have very very similar experiences where they 162 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: have these like sort of spirit guides that sort of 163 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: you know, guide them through this very very intense psychedelic experience, 164 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: and oftentimes they emerge from it feeling like they have 165 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: learned this like unlearnable life lesson and a lot of 166 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: people that do that one time they say they don't 167 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: ever need to do it again because it's sort of 168 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: like a one and done kind of situation, and it 169 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: reminds me of of a near death experience. Almost. Yeah, 170 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: what was that? You know, Matt, We had a phenomenal 171 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: interview with Professor Ethan Needelman, the creator of the show Psychoactive, 172 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: and I don't remember if it's I don't think it's 173 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: come out yet, but he was he was telling us 174 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: much the same thing, not just with kadamine and d 175 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: m T, but there was there was another thing that 176 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: he hipped us to. Uh, you know what, fellow conspiracy realists, 177 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: We're just gonna have to wait till the interview comes 178 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: out because I don't I don't remember, well, I can't 179 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: wait to hear it because I was unfortunately not not 180 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: present for that one. But it sounded like a fascinating interview. 181 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: He's a great guy. But bringing that up to say, 182 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, almost widowed first, thank goodness that your husband 183 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: pulled through a lot of people didn't um and to 184 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: hold him close while you can. Fascinating thing here is 185 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: that there is a lot of research on near death 186 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: experiences and like you said, no, uh, it is a 187 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: transformative experience for the majority of people who who have 188 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: a vision or come back with some sort of memory. 189 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: And you know, we often hear the stereotypes so widely 190 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: quoted in works of fiction of seeing the light of 191 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: being politely told that it's not your time to go. 192 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: But if you'd like to learn more about the other side, 193 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: distressing your death experiences, there is an excellent article in 194 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: Missouri Medicine, which is a journal from the Missouri State 195 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: Medical Association, called Distressing Your Death Experiences the Basics, and 196 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: they documented three types of these unpleasant in d ease, inverse, void, 197 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: and hellish. And this is a scientific journal, so yes, 198 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: so they've put they put the time in and I 199 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: recommend reading that to get some stats and to get 200 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: a sense of the pattern. I think you would find 201 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: especially interesting for you and your spouse. Uh, the way 202 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: they break down the responses, not just those three types 203 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: of experiences, but types of response which they categorize as 204 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: the turnaround or you know, saying I needed that and 205 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: I will be different now reductionism, which is saying like, well, 206 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, I know a little bit about neuro chemicals, 207 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: and I know a little bit about the working of 208 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: the brain, so I can scientifically explain this away. Or 209 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: three the long haul, which is more of a big 210 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: picture Look what did I What did I do? Because 211 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: this experience stays with people. It doesn't have to even 212 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: if you consider yourself a hard hardcore atheists or whatever 213 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: you want to call it. The thing is that that 214 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: doesn't make the PTSD of these kinds of experiences any 215 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: less real, and it can stay with people, it can 216 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: haunt you, agreed. And it also not not to harp 217 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: on this whole psychedelic angle, but it makes sense that 218 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: psychedelic drugs are substances are very popular or apparently very 219 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: effective to ease people and end of life situations into 220 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: that transit ship into that light, the one where you 221 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: actually do go through. Because it does appear that people 222 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: can have these types of visions and types of you know, 223 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: transformative experiences with doses of certain doses of psychedelics. So 224 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: I definitely understand why that would be a valuable way 225 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: to kind of get someone to not maybe have a 226 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: hellish experience. You know, we recently got a call from John, 227 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: who's a person who talked to us before about ketamine 228 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: use and you know, yes, stopping addiction a couple of 229 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: other things, and he recently called back to talk to 230 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: us about reincarnation. But that conversation really actually dovetails nicely 231 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: into this, just with how in his use of the 232 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: substance he has found just a almost a oneness with 233 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: what he describes as infinite energy, and how it really 234 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: does as you're describing their noal, um, it's eased the 235 00:13:54,720 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: way he imagines life or existence upon corporeal death. Um, 236 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: So I can just see that matching up really well 237 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: and shout out to you or like or like Aldus Huxley, 238 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: who had one of the most baller ways of leaving 239 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: the mortal plane ever. You guys may remember the story. 240 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: Huxley was bedridden. He was he had been experimenting with 241 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: UH psychedelics later in life, and he was dying of 242 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: I believe, terminal cancer. So he requested that his wife 243 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: give him a hundred micrograms of LSD I. I think 244 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: that's a lot, right. What's the usual dosage of L 245 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: s D I think it's many many fewer micrograms than that. 246 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure. Um. I've also heard that it's not the 247 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: best way to take the drug to have it injected. Uh, 248 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: and then it could maybe No, I don't know. No, No No, 249 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't LSD. It was somebody injected themselves with psilocybin 250 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: and caused the spores to like grow inside of your 251 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,119 Speaker 1: body and cause some kind of horrible, horrible blood infection. 252 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: Uh So maybe LSD being more of a you know, 253 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: synthesized substance rather than an organic thing that can grow 254 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: within you a fungus essentially, maybe it's better that way. 255 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: But also, you know, just in general, don't do drugs, 256 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: everybody know for sure. But unless you don't do don't 257 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: do drugs. Everybody is doing some sort of drug. It's 258 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: very rare to not be doing something, even if it's 259 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: like aspirin or caffeine. You know, caffeine is delicious. Yeah, um, 260 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: what is that? It's a boy? I would never I 261 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: would never. You will never catch me drinking? Okay, fair enough. 262 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: I don't care for the stuff. It tastes like vinegar. Um. 263 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: But thank you so much, Almost widowed and really glad 264 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: that your husband's doing better, and UM glad to hear 265 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: that in some way, perhaps this was a valuable experience. 266 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: UM if a little bit scary it. Um, we're gonna 267 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: take a quick break and then we'll be back with 268 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: some more messages from you. And we have returned as always. 269 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: I want to thank everybody who has reached out, especially 270 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: this past year, and in my case especially over over 271 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: the last month and change. Reached out just on a 272 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: personal level. You can always do so. I'm at ben 273 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: Bowling on Instagram at ben Bowling hs W and I 274 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: want to give a particular shout out to someone who 275 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: brought up a subject of endless fascination for me at 276 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: least I hope it will fascinating or fellow listeners as well. 277 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: This comes from S that pauses intentional. It is dot 278 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: dot dot st for the gravitas, right, So so they 279 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: got me. But here we go. Here's here's what S 280 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: wrote to us to say, Hey you all, uh fun fact, 281 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: I have a very difficult time pronouncing the contraction you all. 282 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: It's embarrassing. I've tried. Um. A lot of people assume 283 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: everyone in the South can say it. I cannot, So 284 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: hey can you? I just want to hear it. It's 285 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: really embarrassing. Yeah, really, Yes, you can ask our good 286 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: friend Lauren Vogelbaum if you need confirmation. Nola has probably 287 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: seen me try to pronounce it too. So I am 288 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: a North American white girl who recently had the benefit 289 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: of being educated on some going on in Africa by 290 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: my colleagues from Zimbabwe and Nairobi, specifically China. Apparently China 291 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: Chinese corporations have been supplying grants to African governments to 292 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: build infrastructure. This is confirmed by a couple of sources 293 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: linked below. And this is what I love about emails. 294 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: S I love when people are able to send us 295 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: those links, to send us those photographs of whatever you saw, 296 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: whether it's a strange thing in the sky or creepy 297 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: government installation. That I think is one of the primary 298 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: advantages of email. So we've got these links, and s says, 299 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: now here's where it gets crazy. The Diplomat article that 300 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: she said suggests this is not just global capitalism and action, 301 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: but it's a power grab. China is using these grants 302 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: to lean on African countries for those sweet, sweet U 303 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: N votes. But here's where it gets crazier. My colleagues 304 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: tell me these grants are actually being funneled back to 305 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: China as the infrastructure is built by Chinese corporations who 306 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: don't even hire locals, They just import their own staff 307 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: from Asia. And this extends after the project is done 308 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: due to the maintenance contracts. You need a wallpainted, no problem, 309 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: They'll fly in a painter from China. Now here's where 310 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,239 Speaker 1: it gets crazy er er. They tell me that this 311 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,479 Speaker 1: extends beyond the build site to the Chinese corporate rations, 312 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: even bringing street vendors into the community to replace the 313 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 1: local vendors. I wasn't able to verify this myself, so 314 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: I'm punting it to you. What do you think conspiracy 315 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: to basically turn African countries into Chinese satellite states wouldn't 316 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: be the first time Africa has been in this position 317 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: by reducing the population to vassals and the government's devoting 318 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: blocks or just good old global capitalism. Sorry for the 319 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: long email, Love the show. Feel free to read this 320 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: on air. You can call me s well S, just 321 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: just for the sake of dead air. I think we're 322 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: gonna hold on the pause now that we all know 323 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: you're the s we're talking about. Uh, this This segment 324 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: is brought to you by the letter in the person s. 325 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: We have talked about China in Africa in the past. 326 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: We have a classic episode on this highly recommend checking 327 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: it out. But this is going to become an increasingly 328 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: important issue as the years while on, as long as 329 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: people are still functioning under the current global power structure. 330 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: But the problem with this, like so many issues reported 331 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: in mainstream media, is that the view presented is often 332 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: pretty simplistic anti colonialism stance. People get that now, we 333 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: can all agree colonialism was bad, but there is zenobia 334 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: that goes into this. There's a lot of like big 335 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: bad China reporting, you know, and and look, don't get 336 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: us wrong, don't get it twisted here. China is doing 337 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: bad stuff. They're weaker concentration camps as we're recording. And 338 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: if saying that on air means that I can't get 339 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: to China, then that's fine because it's true, and I 340 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: would rather get you know, I would rather be prevented 341 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: from going to a country because I said something true, 342 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's just an ethical standpoint. 343 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: And of course the US has hasn't is doing terrible, 344 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: terrible things. Both domestically and abroad. So there is the 345 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: argument to be made there's a little bit of a 346 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: glasshouse situation sometimes, but that doesn't mean what it is 347 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: happening on the African continent is not true. We have 348 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: talked about the ways in which those infrastructures, those infrastructure 349 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: deals and loans can be used to boost the Chinese 350 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: economy at the expense of a lot of just the 351 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: regular people living in some of these countries and regions 352 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: on an enormous and diverse continent. You know, it's not. 353 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: The sad truth of the matter is often in international 354 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: deals with with authoritarian countries, at least the people at 355 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: the very top, at the tippy top will make gangbusters 356 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: about the money, and the people to bottom won't see 357 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: too much of a change. Like, yeah, you're building a road, 358 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: but what good is the road if it just goes 359 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: from the port to the mind, right, and there's not 360 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: there's not a road paved to like the place where 361 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: the people live. Uh, this is a problem. This does 362 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: accelerate racist attitudes on all sides and serious and I 363 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: would say valid concerns about inequality. But while that is 364 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: while while that complicated, nuanced system is true, it's in place, 365 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about a bigger picture of this, something 366 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: called one Belt one Road, which you may have heard 367 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: of if you, you know, study Chinese foreign policy and 368 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: for an infrastructure, etcetera. Uh. One question that really stood 369 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: out to me that s has proposed here is the 370 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: idea that this economic assistance could be used to influence 371 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: conversation and policy in the United Nations. And after doing 372 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: just a little bit of reading, because this this definitely 373 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: One Belt one Road in the U n is its 374 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: own episode and it's one of those episodes that will 375 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: be I think of a creasing value over the next decade. 376 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: But one thing you released about is uh, I'm persuaded 377 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: that it's true. Now I'm persuaded the conspiracy is real. 378 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: There's a great Wall Street Journal article that came out 379 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: in September of last year called how China is taking 380 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: over international organizations one vote at a time. Now, this 381 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: is not the same thing, not not quite the same 382 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: thing as say, China Chinese officials going to Zimbabwe and 383 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: saying you need to vote this way on the weaker 384 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: situation or something like that. Uh. What it is a 385 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: piece of that, But it's also noting that Beijing is 386 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: exerting more control over the committees in the United Nations. 387 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: So United Nations has you know, you've heard things like 388 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: the Food and Culture Organization. They have things like the 389 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: Industrial Development Organization. Things like if you are if you're 390 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: a country and you're just a u N member, you 391 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: end up being a member of those organizations. Hopefully this 392 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 1: same way that senators and members of Congress get a 393 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: lot of power from the committees that they join. Right. 394 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: That's why people want to be on the Intelligence Committee 395 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: because it gives you some heft. You know you want 396 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: and you know you want to be on the Budget 397 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: committee to write, Always be on the Budget committee. Always 398 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: be on the budget and uh. This is to some 399 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: who are more averse to China's international growth, this has 400 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: been seen as a something like a sneaky tactic or 401 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: something even phrased as you know, a new front in 402 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: a new Cold War, which you could say as little alarmists. 403 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: But the tendencies are there. Uh. China has a pretty 404 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: good catbird seat in the U N. And some of 405 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: this development because it's the world's second largest economy, but 406 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: it's still often pays discounted funding rates because it is 407 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: considered a developing nation, so like in as Wall Street 408 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: Journal points out, and this article, by the way, is 409 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: by three authors Kato'keith, Drew Hinshaw at yaroslav Trophy, mov 410 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: this nice Russian accent, thanks man. Maybe maybe I can, uh, 411 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: maybe I can get into China from Russia. Problem for 412 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: another day. But so in China contributed one point three 413 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: billion US dollars equivalent to the U N and the 414 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: US the same year contributed ten billion. Uh. It's hard 415 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: to grasp the difference of billions, but just know that 416 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: a billion is a lot of money. A billion is 417 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: too much money for any one person. Basically, uh, maybe 418 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: I can, Maybe I can't get into Amazon now having 419 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: said that to Jeff, sorry Pale, thirty trials up, thirty days, 420 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: trial is up. I need my need my petition Prime service. 421 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: So so what do you guys think? First off, I've 422 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: made my initial conclusion clear, and of course I'm always 423 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: glad to go back and modify those opinions if new 424 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: information emerges. But do you think it's possible that China maybe, 425 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: uh maybe making these deals with African countries and then 426 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: later kind of voluntelling those countries. How to vote in 427 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: the UIT. I mean, I can totally see that position 428 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: right logically, those those things follow. I have a hard 429 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: time getting my mind out of the resource extraction argument 430 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: for why, you know, China's motivations behind their actions in 431 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: in Africa just from our previous conversation been about steel production, 432 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: and I think it's manganese that is needed that in 433 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: certain parts of Africa, cobalt that they're extracting, and what's 434 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: the coltan? Is that the one for electronics? There's another 435 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: C word that exists in a specific part of Africa 436 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: that China is just ripping out of the ground to 437 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: use an electronics manufacturing Yeah, Colton, Uh, they use gold 438 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: mining techniques and there's also a big slavery child slavery 439 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: problem with it, and like the DRC and so on. Yes, 440 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: but it's I remember that was one of the main 441 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: reasons we had covered China and their activities in Africa. 442 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm having a difficult time ripping my 443 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: mind out of that being their primary reasoning. But I 444 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: can totally see I mean, if you're making that kind 445 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: of investment in a country, if there are actual benefits, 446 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: even to the upper echelon of the leaders of specific 447 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: countries within Africa. Then I can imagine them having that 448 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: kind of sway just just I mean, it doesn't need 449 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: to be as you know, it doesn't mean to be 450 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: super complicated. It's just they're bringing in tons of money 451 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: that a few key people are benefiting from, and then 452 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: they could have that diplomatic movement. I think, yeah, yeah, 453 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: And there's I mean, there's deathly resource extraction going on. 454 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: The position of the Chinese government is that there is 455 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: somewhat more altruistic, right that they're trying to help people 456 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: while also you know, making moves that are good for 457 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: their own economy. Uh. I believe it was. It was 458 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: an Indian academic, a guy named Brahma Chilani, who first 459 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: introduced them. The theory of a Chinese debt trapp diplomacy, 460 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: which is sort of company storing people into compliance that 461 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: has been at least by a lot of people in 462 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: the West. That has been considered debunked recently, and you 463 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: can read some interesting articles about that on the China 464 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: Africa project dot com, which, by the way, if you 465 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: can tell from the headline, is a somewhat bias source, 466 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: but there's also reporting from places like the BBC. There's 467 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: an excellent article assummation of this. UH are defensive this 468 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: position by dickens Alowe, who wrote an article called why 469 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: African Countries back China on Human Rights? I recommend reading 470 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: that at this point, the issue here is really one 471 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: of perspective. Yes, resource extraction is occurring. Yes, there is 472 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: the high potential for forming voting blocks, and that's not 473 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: something original to China though, right other countries do that, 474 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: the US does that UH and you can see it 475 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: in controversial issues. Almost any time un vote comes up 476 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: that goes for or against one country's interests, then they 477 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: both scramble to see how many clients states, let's be honest, 478 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: they can they can force to vote on their side. 479 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: So to me, that conspiracy is both plausible and real, 480 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: and it is probably happening. The question is to what 481 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: degree is that happening? And then the question also becomes 482 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: what what is the individual situation for each of those 483 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: countries who are maybe voting with the Chinese stance in 484 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: the u N are they Are they doing it because 485 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: they genuinely agree with some ideological point, or are they 486 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: doing that because it is a condition, even if not 487 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: explicitly written out. It's a condition of the deal they have. 488 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: It's hard to tell. Trying really hard not to be 489 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: extra super massively cynical about all of this been and 490 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: just like apply it to everybody and analyze how everyone's voting. 491 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: Which master is pulling the puppet strings in this scenario. Well, here, 492 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: here's here's the key, here's the key. Math. It's the 493 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: puppet that's pulling the puppet strings. You don't ever even 494 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: see the master. It's just another puppet. Yeah, it's puppets 495 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: all the way down and all the way up. That's 496 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: very special type of born. It's it's mitro Chica puppets. Man, 497 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: there's also a little puppet inside the other puppet. It's 498 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: like a puppet mech uh, We're I mean, but that like, honestly, 499 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: there is a complex web of stakeholders interest competing interests. 500 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: But here's why I love this questions, and here's why 501 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: this question is so incredibly important to ask. There is 502 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: right now an enormous global level infrastructure project that's happening, 503 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: and it's um I would say it's not getting to 504 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: due of fair reporting in the West. It's something called 505 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: the One Belt, One Road Initiative. We know about the 506 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: Silk Road, the famous transit route. Oh actually have some 507 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: books on that somewhere, the famous transit route from the 508 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: Chinese mainland through Central Asia getting to Europe. Right, that's 509 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: how Spice has moved so jade. Things like that, and 510 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: that occupies a place in history. Now, you will be 511 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: hard pressed to find someone who says Samarkand is these 512 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: days a hub of global trade. They're probably more likely 513 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: to name something like London, you know, and then shout 514 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: out to how this concern has been building for a while. 515 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: It made me re read one of these books, Africa's 516 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: Silk Road, which I'd like to recommend to us if 517 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: you haven't read, it's yet China and India's New Economic 518 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: Frontier by Harry G. Broadman. But once you note something 519 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: very interesting the printer the imprint on this, I don't 520 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: know if it's reversed or if you can read it. 521 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: It says the World Banks. When you get into these conversations, 522 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: uh right, Uh, you know, recently in recent years under 523 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: the Trump administration, uh, the US was told to withdraw 524 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: from some international organizations like the World Health Organization that 525 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: are known as the less famous who and this this 526 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: prompted fears that it would be an opportunity for the 527 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: for the government of China to expand into the vacuum 528 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: that was left behind. The One Belt, One Road initiative 529 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: is sort of a new Silk Road, and it's tremendously 530 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: fascinating if you are if you're into foreign policy and 531 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: you're into the long term effects of this, it will 532 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: affect you if you're in the US. By the way, 533 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: we just don't know how yet. The Silk Road economic 534 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: belt is. It's like this massive new on steroids version 535 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: in the Silk Road. We're talking rail, We're talking new 536 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: inner states that are providing all this ground transportation to 537 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: these landlocked areas going through these historical trade routes using 538 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: those old mountain passes. UH. This is incredibly controversial because 539 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: a lot of the countries affected by this, in Central 540 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: Asia are the people aren't necessarily behind it. They're big 541 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: protests in Pakistan as we're recording this UH and the 542 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: this system, this one Belt one Road is going or 543 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 1: is meant to go to Africa, to the African continent 544 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: as well, prompting no small amount of fear in local populations. 545 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: And each country is handling this differently because despite what 546 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: I know, I keep saying mainstream news here, but I'm 547 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: not using this hyperbolically, but mainstream news in the US 548 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: often has a terrible habit of acting like these countries 549 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: are not somehow very different from each other, you know, culturally, economically, 550 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: they're incredibly different, And it's weird for that oversight to occur. 551 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's intentionally misleading or if they 552 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: just have a certain amount of time when they're talking 553 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: on the news, but it's like, everybody who lives in 554 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: the US knows that Mississippi is culturally very different from 555 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 1: New York. So why would we assume that a continent 556 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: of so many nations with huge populations in some cases, 557 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: why would they all be same e same? You think 558 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: people are usually saying that people have a tendency to 559 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: generalize overly, so because it's easier on their brains. Perhaps 560 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: it is absolutely a mistake to do that, Um, but 561 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: I think we all do it from time to time. 562 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, then, but something to always be self 563 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: aware about not not a good thing to do. Yeah, 564 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: you're right, you're right and well said. We know that 565 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: multiple countries in the Africa on the African count have 566 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: signed some kind of cooperation agreement for one Belt one Road. 567 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: The big question is how extreme will this support become. 568 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: Could could a sovereign nation be compelled to vote even 569 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: against its own interest in the international sphere year this 570 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: this can be dry for people who are maybe not 571 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: as nerdy about this as as some I guess by 572 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: me included, But but it is important. A lot of 573 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: the real conspiracies in the world, the things that have 574 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: the most power and that will affect you most. Adversely, 575 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: a lot of them are meant to be boring by design. 576 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: They're meant to sound boring. You are not supposed to 577 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: watch the hand behind the curtain. And with that, I 578 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: propose that we consider this a future episode. We just 579 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: have to work on the timing. But we need to 580 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: talk about this more. The world needs to talk about 581 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: this more, because this influence is is something that couldn't 582 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: have happened on this level before the dawn of the 583 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: age of information and before these massive, logistically byzantine global 584 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: trade networks. So stay tuned. Thank you so much. S. 585 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: You can take a page from his book We Are 586 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: a Conspiracy. Diheart Radio dot com went eight three three 587 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: st d w y t K anytime you want to 588 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: drop us alide, but don't do it get because we're 589 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: gonna pause for word from our sponsor, and then we're 590 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: gonna send you some strange signals I hear. All right, 591 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: we're back and we're going to hear a message. Hi, guys, 592 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: I love your show. My name is Maggie, and I 593 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: just wanted to tell you a short little tale. It's 594 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: not really anything weird or something you would cover on 595 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: your show, but I thought you would appreciate it. A 596 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: couple of months ago, I was taking a really long drive, 597 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: like partially across the country, and it ended up being 598 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: a lot longer than I had planned for because of 599 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: traffic and other horrible things that have happened. So I 600 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: was driving, like in the middle of the night, and 601 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: I was so tired, and I was sick of listening 602 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: to like audio books of podcasts, and I just wanted 603 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: something different. So I turned on the AM on the 604 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: car AM radio because I thought maybe there was a 605 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: chance I could pick up something weird or different. You know, 606 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: because of the sky wave propagation. I'm sure you guys 607 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: know about that, where AM signals can travel farther than 608 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: normal at night. It was really scratchy, of course, like 609 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: a m is. I was flipping through a little bit 610 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: and it's so dark, and I'm right on like Lake Erie, 611 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: like near like Ripley, like in between Erie and like Dunkirk, 612 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: New York, and it's like the black darkness to my left. Okay, 613 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: of like Lake Erie. There's no lights there, and I 614 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: hear voices and they're talking about something weird. Was oh, 615 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: what is this? It's scratchy, guys, It was you. It 616 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: was stuff they don't want you to know. And I 617 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: was delighted. I thought you would be too. That I 618 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: was looking for something strange and unusual to keep me 619 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: awake on AM radio, and I assume that somebody was 620 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: illegally broadcasting it. I don't think that you guys are 621 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: on on any terrestrial radio that I'm aware of. Maybe 622 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: you know, Um, I don't know. I thought you would 623 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: like that and appreciate it. I was looking for something 624 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: weird and I got it. It only lasted a few 625 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,439 Speaker 1: minutes before the signal faded out, but it was really 626 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 1: enjoyable and I always think about it when I listened 627 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: to your show. Um, keep up the good work. Okay, 628 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: thanks guys. Bye. Hey, Yeah, now, Matt, I mean, I'm 629 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: not an expert on the way you know, AM FM 630 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: frequencies interact, but I wouldn't be surprised if it could 631 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: have possibly been some bleed into an AM frequency from 632 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: an FM station that was maybe playing one of our 633 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: episodes on Oh we get played on AM stations. Yeah, 634 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: that's how the first stations we've ever we were ever 635 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: played on on trestro radio. We're AM stations because of 636 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: coast to coast. Uh it maybe we'll just se talk 637 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: Talk talk yep, that's coast to coast syndicated, so it 638 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: gets on a bunch of AM stations too. But uh, 639 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 1: this is awesome pirate radio right up our alley. I 640 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: hope that's what it is, Matt. I uh, you know, 641 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: when you tell me not to listen to some of 642 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: the advance, I do because always an amazing surprise. Yes, yes, Maggie, 643 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: We Are show is on terrestrial radio at various times, 644 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: and to be honest with you, we don't always know. 645 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 1: But but the skywave phenomenon is interesting because I believe 646 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: it happens at night, right, Yeah, yeah, that's saying at night, 647 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: right at night, it can they can travel further because 648 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: of the bounts sphere bouts. Yeah, exactly, and that's why, 649 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's one of the reasons that listening to 650 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: AM radio in a storm is so great. Yes, you 651 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: get the weird little now you mentioned it. I never 652 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: realize this, but I do a lot of. I do 653 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: a lot of when I'm on road trips, I go 654 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: nocturnal unless if I have time. Then I won't drive 655 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: during the day and I just drive at night because 656 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: that's always when you find the interesting AM stations. And 657 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: I can't believe I never put that together, but especially 658 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: rural areas, I love it. Uh. That is part of 659 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: hidden America, and if we can be a part of that, 660 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: regardless of how small, then that is a proud moment 661 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: for us. I would say, right, let's be part of 662 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: modern folklore. Let's be a ghost baby station, dude, exactly. 663 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: So one of those like one of those numbers stations, 664 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, like Yankee Hotel. Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, 665 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: I want that. So, Maggie, thank you so much for 666 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: that wonderful message. It was just wonderfully put together, and 667 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: you have a fantastic voice. Good job. I wanted to 668 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: play that for these guys because I was I happened 669 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: to be reading a bunch of YouTube comments on our 670 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, and you know, it's pretty overwhelming, just saying like, 671 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: where where did these guys go? What's happening? Why are they? 672 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: Why do I see their faces all the time now? 673 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: And you know, it just strikes me that people who 674 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 1: are listening to this right now maybe have been listening 675 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 1: for a long time, maybe have been watching for a 676 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: long time, maybe you're new, and anybody could be jumping 677 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: on at any point really to the show. And every time, 678 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 1: you know, we we don't know who we're calling out to. 679 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: Necessarily when we say you are you and you are here, 680 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: we know it's you. We're just not sure who you are. 681 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: That's a weird statement. But I mean the royal you, right, 682 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: like the the all encompassing you of the ether. But 683 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to take yes, oh dude, yes, Oh. We 684 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: got a great message about that from somebody. Oh man, 685 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: somebody just told us on voicemail about how they it 686 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 1: was John, the same person talked about Kenemy. First time 687 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: he saw his wife walk into the school room where 688 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 1: he was, he felt he knew her immediately. You have 689 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: no idea who this person was, but he knew her 690 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 1: and fascinating phenomenon. Um So the reason I want to 691 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: bring this up is just to kind of at the 692 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: end of the year, let you know, Maggie how much 693 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: that message means to me personally, and I hope to 694 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: you guys too, just when we think about where we 695 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 1: are and where we you know, where we started, uh 696 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,839 Speaker 1: way back in the day, gosh, I think I think 697 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: eleven twelve years ago when we started creating stuff they 698 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Um So I just want 699 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,439 Speaker 1: to go over some of it, and if you guys 700 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: could help me fill in and just tell the story 701 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: a bit. I figured this would be a time to 702 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: do it if there was any right, um So, Noel, 703 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 1: forgive me. We're gonna start with just Ben and I 704 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: because that's where it began. And then you're gonna jump in. 705 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: If that's okay, you got it. So, oh man, Ben's 706 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: pulling Scully over and and this will be this will 707 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,280 Speaker 1: be important at the end of this Uh yeah, okay, 708 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: So it's not the past, but I think will end 709 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: in the future. Yes, exactly. Starting in the past, Ben, Uh, 710 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 1: we were making videos. We needed to create a show 711 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: with video footage that we had from Discovery Channel. We 712 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 1: needed to find a way to make a show around 713 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: that concept. We came up with a conspiracy Unsolved Mysteries 714 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 1: style show and we created stuff they don't want you 715 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,240 Speaker 1: to know, and we started making videos that went on iTunes. 716 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: They went into the iTunes video podcast feed, and that's 717 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: how it all began. I was producing all of those videos, 718 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: so actually editing and shooting the videos, and Ben, you 719 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: were writing and starring in them. Is that accurate? Uh? 720 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: Starring is very kind? Um, I mean the truth. Likely 721 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: think of things as a group project, and that's sometimes 722 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: sometimes to my detriment, but not not in that case. 723 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: And uh, I'm not saying it wasn't a group project. 724 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 1: I'm saying, yeah, you were. You were the voice. You 725 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: both wrote the voice in you and you spoke the voice. 726 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,320 Speaker 1: Well yeah, And we we worked together on finding things 727 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: that we thought people hadn't heard about and should hear about, 728 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 1: and asking questions, lying critical thinking to the concept of 729 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,800 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, and we went into some very strange places 730 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: very quickly. Because I think our very first, our very 731 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:26,839 Speaker 1: first pilot episode was we went into working on we said, Okay, 732 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 1: let's do JFK assassination by far the most popular widely 733 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: believed conspiracy theory in the US. UH. And then we 734 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: stopped for a second, and you and I had a 735 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 1: moment where we said, no, let's get weird with it. 736 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: Other people have done that. There's other stuff and uventual 737 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: flora instead. UH. And eventually we decided we thought, I 738 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: don't know about you. I thought we were going to 739 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: get fired in two weeks, but we decided to We 740 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 1: ended up moving to YouTube, and then we're doing more 741 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: videos and for a new one who doesn't know, Matt 742 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:07,880 Speaker 1: is a maestro as in video and audio and production, 743 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 1: and so we were making at some point multiple videos 744 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 1: per week, and we had different formats. And then I 745 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,840 Speaker 1: remember you and I may remember this differently, but I 746 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,760 Speaker 1: kept trying to drag you on camera with me because 747 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 1: I was a period on camera a lot. We're doing 748 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,320 Speaker 1: a vlog style format, which for very concrete reasons, we 749 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,760 Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed. Uh. And then we would do stuff 750 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 1: like we all love sketch comedy too, and we do 751 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: stuff where I think one of my favorites was we 752 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 1: did a very cynical impression of presidential debates. Do you 753 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: remember that we did very early on in our own 754 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, uh for sure, and we did that for 755 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: for what four years something like that some of my 756 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: favorite times. But really that was what Ben and I did. 757 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: We we worked on side projects, you know, made some 758 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,799 Speaker 1: other videos. Been you can search YouTube for Ben Bull 759 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: and you will find him. He's everywhere. Um and you 760 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,319 Speaker 1: can see some of the stuff I produce around that time. 761 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,240 Speaker 1: But really that was our job. We were making stuff 762 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,920 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. And then we started 763 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 1: the podcast and around that time is when Noel came 764 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: on board and Noel was was I think you were 765 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: making every single podcast on the network when you joined 766 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 1: everyone except Stuff you Should Know, um, which WASH was 767 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 1: and is produced by the original superproducer, Jerry the Mysterious 768 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: Jerry was also our boss during these Discovery Video UH 769 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: days and is now still a boss. Not necessarily are 770 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: maybe she has I forget how the org chart works, 771 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 1: but um she has stayed with and risen in the 772 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: ranks of the company through various acquisitions. UM, as have 773 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 1: we all, thankfully. And um, yeah, there was a time 774 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 1: where the podcasting aspect of how Stuff Works was kind 775 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: of just a blip. Discovery kind of didn't really know 776 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 1: what they had and they were focusing, you know, on 777 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: the YouTube side of things is and sort of you know, 778 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,879 Speaker 1: pushing the podcast thing off to the side, not really 779 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 1: realizing what incredible asset that was going to ultimately be. 780 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 1: And I was the lucky devil that got to edit 781 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,919 Speaker 1: just about every single one of them every single week 782 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 1: by myself, hitting stuff they don't want you to know, 783 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,800 Speaker 1: that's right. And when we had shout Out Corner with 784 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: superproducer Nol, and I'm trying to center everybody here and 785 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,399 Speaker 1: just to understand what we're doing right in these kind 786 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 1: of points in time. So we're still at that point 787 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 1: when Nol is here, he's making all the podcasts. I 788 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,719 Speaker 1: happen to have a baby. Then we become this right 789 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,800 Speaker 1: what you're hearing right now, the three of us on 790 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,600 Speaker 1: Mike making a podcast every week now, five times a 791 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 1: week to producers. And that's what I'm saying. I have 792 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,680 Speaker 1: to add, I mean, you never asked anyone's permission to 793 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 1: have me on. We just did it. And I sat 794 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: in while Matt was was away on paternity leave, and 795 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,440 Speaker 1: then Matt came back and it was just like, what 796 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,839 Speaker 1: the hell, let's just be a threesome. We we had 797 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:03,319 Speaker 1: a threesome and we've been having threesomes every day ever since. Yes, yes, um, 798 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,840 Speaker 1: But around around that time when we started making the podcast, 799 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,800 Speaker 1: few years later, their shifts at the company that we 800 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,840 Speaker 1: work for, How Stuff Works. Y'all, y'all remember this, hopefully 801 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,600 Speaker 1: you do, a company called how Stuff Works. Uh, it 802 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 1: started making shifts and changing its business models. And remember 803 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: we're employees for that company at that time, and we 804 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,440 Speaker 1: are you know, what we're doing every day is beginning 805 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:31,480 Speaker 1: to shift. And I think it was around seventeen when 806 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,839 Speaker 1: we officially stopped making our original stuff they don't want 807 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 1: you to know YouTube series on you know, at least 808 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,959 Speaker 1: on a weekly basis. Ben, I think that's around the time, 809 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 1: and that is when the company really shifted to podcasting 810 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 1: as its primary way, like means of making money. Well, 811 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 1: that was after an acquisition from Discovery, who again, like 812 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: I said, kind of didn't know what they had. And 813 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,320 Speaker 1: then we were acquired by another company that did realize 814 00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,480 Speaker 1: what we had, and that was what led to us 815 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,800 Speaker 1: kind of letting the business off from the the podcast 816 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,879 Speaker 1: side and the article side of How Stuff Works. Right, Yeah, 817 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,080 Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of minutia in there, and 818 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,120 Speaker 1: it really just what you need to know is that 819 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,560 Speaker 1: the business changed and and Ben and Nolan I have 820 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,799 Speaker 1: been here for a long time, so what we're doing 821 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,360 Speaker 1: on a daily basis changed a lot, and that's the 822 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,439 Speaker 1: primary reason why we had to just spend our time 823 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,320 Speaker 1: doing other things besides making this i think highly curated 824 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: video series called stuff they don't want you to know 825 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,440 Speaker 1: that we were making on a weekly basis, and I 826 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,000 Speaker 1: just wanted to like put that out there as like 827 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: that's the reason why things changed, because we started producing 828 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: podcasts of all different kinds of you know, running teams 829 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: and just having a very different job here than we 830 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 1: had in the past. I think we've intimated that here 831 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,200 Speaker 1: and there, you know on Mike, But this is really 832 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: great to hear this kind of oral history, right, Yeah, 833 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,719 Speaker 1: hopefully it's interested. Um the well, it's it's there are 834 00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,880 Speaker 1: so many people asking about it in the comments, Like 835 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 1: the majority of the comments are where the hell are 836 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,560 Speaker 1: these guys? So I just want I want everyone to 837 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,320 Speaker 1: have a moment to just hear, like what's going on. 838 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 1: It's It's not as though we just stopped making videos 839 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,959 Speaker 1: because we didn't want to make videos anymore. It's because 840 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 1: our jobs against it um pretty hard. We did because 841 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,279 Speaker 1: I loved it. It's uh. Those videos are some of 842 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,080 Speaker 1: the my favorite things I've ever done here. Um. And 843 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, if you're watching this and you're watching one 844 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,400 Speaker 1: of the YouTube excerpts, then you'll see this will be 845 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: familiar to some of our fellow conspiracy realists there in 846 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,760 Speaker 1: the back Scully, one of our first co conspirators and collaborators. 847 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,440 Speaker 1: When the pandemic hit. I was not only you know, 848 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,759 Speaker 1: like everybody else, busting my shadow to get to get 849 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 1: a recording set up outside of the office, but was 850 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,879 Speaker 1: also asked every so often by people who come back 851 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 1: and say we want you to make more of these 852 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,879 Speaker 1: videos and say, well, okay, we we need the time 853 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: to do so. Uh. And so I emptied out a 854 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,440 Speaker 1: room in my house and now I live with a 855 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,880 Speaker 1: giant skeleton where other people would you know, have a 856 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,640 Speaker 1: bed or a television or something. And it's not even 857 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,400 Speaker 1: in your closet. It's just like out right out in 858 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,600 Speaker 1: the open. No, no, no, the real ones are in 859 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,320 Speaker 1: the closet. This is a model skeleton for you know, 860 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: SCC purposes. But the uh, this story does go into 861 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 1: the future because without telling you any specifics, folks, um, 862 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,320 Speaker 1: we can say that you should be tuned into this 863 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,279 Speaker 1: YouTube channel and thank you for your patients. We are 864 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:43,279 Speaker 1: and ever evolving enterprise, and there's always more stuff on 865 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,240 Speaker 1: the way. We keep ourselves on our toes. There's always 866 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,440 Speaker 1: a new project that we're doing as individuals or as 867 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,160 Speaker 1: a group. I personally want to speak for everybody, but 868 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,840 Speaker 1: I cannot wait for for you to see some of 869 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,040 Speaker 1: the stuff that we're working way on. And this kind 870 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,840 Speaker 1: of tom waits what's the building in their situation? And 871 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,400 Speaker 1: when we when I say, can't wait, this is so serious. 872 00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: We are paid to talk. Do you have any idea 873 00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,920 Speaker 1: how difficult it is for us to not talk about something, 874 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,359 Speaker 1: to keep our things secret. We're trying. I think we're 875 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,759 Speaker 1: doing okay, but you know, also at this point, you know, 876 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,879 Speaker 1: we were careful not to be too teasy about it. Right, 877 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,919 Speaker 1: So so whenever whenever you hear one of us say 878 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,720 Speaker 1: something like that, whether it's about a show that's not stuff, 879 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,480 Speaker 1: then once you know one of one of my illustrious 880 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 1: colleagues is working on or wherever, you hear us collectively 881 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 1: say like oh, just you wait, we're not blowing smoke. 882 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,520 Speaker 1: There is stuff, uh and cannot cannot wait for you 883 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,919 Speaker 1: to see it, but yeah, that's your history. We also 884 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,440 Speaker 1: had we've done some live shows. We've been in very 885 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,919 Speaker 1: weird situations, and we've been in you know, one point 886 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 1: we missed in the timeline here is that Gosh was 887 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,600 Speaker 1: over the pandemic or before we went to becoming a 888 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,160 Speaker 1: show that publishes something Monday through Friday, which is a 889 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,360 Speaker 1: lot to do. It's a lot of fun. I know 890 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,319 Speaker 1: about you, guys. I'm a dog with a ball, I'm 891 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,560 Speaker 1: a badger with a bad It's a lot of fun, 892 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,840 Speaker 1: but also just a lot of stuff. And thanks to 893 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,719 Speaker 1: to everyone out there for listening to all of it, 894 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,200 Speaker 1: because it's not like we have big drop offs between 895 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 1: each different type of episode, and I think we've tried 896 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,040 Speaker 1: really hard to make them all interesting and engaging, even 897 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,600 Speaker 1: the republished episode because as everyone knows, iTunes or whatever 898 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,200 Speaker 1: we call an Apple podcast only shows three d of 899 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,000 Speaker 1: the most recent ones, so there are definitely ones that 900 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 1: we're putting out from the beginning that a lot of 901 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,560 Speaker 1: new folks have not heard yet, and maybe long running 902 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,319 Speaker 1: folks are hearing again with fresh ears. Because we try 903 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,160 Speaker 1: to add a little new context every time we put 904 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,080 Speaker 1: one of those out. This is I just want to say, 905 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,000 Speaker 1: this is a matter of great importance, at least from 906 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:59,000 Speaker 1: my perspective. There's still going to be two episodes every week, 907 00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,879 Speaker 1: and we found a nice balance with the strange news 908 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,600 Speaker 1: and listener mail segments. Get one of those every week, 909 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,160 Speaker 1: and those classics can be hard to find, Like I 910 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,560 Speaker 1: don't know about you get. I get a lot of 911 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,239 Speaker 1: people writing to me that say, hey, what about this 912 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: thing from you know, twenty seventeen or whatever. That's why 913 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: we try to republish those because, as Nal said, Apple 914 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,120 Speaker 1: will make it difficult to find those things. And sometimes 915 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,399 Speaker 1: people have even asked if something has been pulled from 916 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,800 Speaker 1: the Internet. That hasn't happened yet, but for sure, like 917 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,919 Speaker 1: this would be immensely flattering if that occurred, whether you're 918 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,920 Speaker 1: onto something. There are a few things you can't find 919 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,400 Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel anymore, and the couple things that 920 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,480 Speaker 1: are missing, uh from other places that are a bit mysterious, 921 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:46,960 Speaker 1: But we're not going to get into that right now. 922 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,600 Speaker 1: What I really want to do is just bring it 923 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 1: right back to Maggie's message, just to let you know, 924 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,480 Speaker 1: for some guys who have been toiling away of this 925 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,240 Speaker 1: thing for years and years and years because we're passionate 926 00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,640 Speaker 1: about it. We love it. And you know, thankfully, we 927 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,200 Speaker 1: we make some money, we're still employed to do this. 928 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 1: But to hear a message from you that you just 929 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 1: randomly heard our voices on the actual radio, it's just wonderful. 930 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:17,440 Speaker 1: It makes me very very happy. Video Star. It did 931 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,920 Speaker 1: radio kill the video Star. It didn't kill anything. It 932 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,799 Speaker 1: brought it back to life to It's fine. They can coexist. 933 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,239 Speaker 1: These things can exist. But thank you, Maggie so much 934 00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,120 Speaker 1: from from all of us for for letting us know 935 00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,880 Speaker 1: that we're out there floating in the ether, even if 936 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,120 Speaker 1: we don't know it. It's really cool to hear We'll 937 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,040 Speaker 1: find your ears, folks, We'll find them. So this is 938 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,239 Speaker 1: my cryptic nature aside. Yes, thank you so much, Matt. 939 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,319 Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing that piece of what may well 940 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,799 Speaker 1: be folklore at some point. Uh and I. We think 941 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,600 Speaker 1: transparency is important and it's important answer those questions. Thank 942 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,600 Speaker 1: you as well. To almost Widowed, Thank you as well too, 943 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:05,640 Speaker 1: s And thanks to everybody. If if you would liar 944 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,719 Speaker 1: he said you were going to ditch the pause, you 945 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:13,480 Speaker 1: were glitch there, glitch also, since we're since we're having 946 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,520 Speaker 1: a family time, and do stay tuned, we have we 947 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,000 Speaker 1: have one more special message in an upcoming in an 948 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,000 Speaker 1: upcoming show. But um, since we're having family time, we 949 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 1: should also tell you, Uh, it has been a real 950 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,360 Speaker 1: bear to record today. Let's see who got kicked off 951 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,520 Speaker 1: of our own show today, Matt, you got kicked off 952 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,640 Speaker 1: of your own show. I got kicked off of my 953 00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:38,360 Speaker 1: own show. Uh. We came back because that's how important 954 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,440 Speaker 1: this show is. You are the most important part of too. 955 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,320 Speaker 1: What is us a very very important thing. We can't 956 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,720 Speaker 1: wait to hear from you. If you want to take 957 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,400 Speaker 1: a page from your fellow conspiracy realist book. We try 958 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,800 Speaker 1: to be easy to find online. Oh online, you can 959 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,000 Speaker 1: find us on Facebook, you can find us on Twitter, 960 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,120 Speaker 1: and you can find us on YouTube as mentioned under 961 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,960 Speaker 1: the handle at Conspiracy Stuff. We're at Conspiracy Stuff show 962 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,600 Speaker 1: on Instagram. 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