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Speaker 1: unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, everyone, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to stuff they don't want you to know. My

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Speaker 1: we're covering all of those cryptic things, the things that

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Speaker 1: and specifically we're gonna be talking about Cicada three three

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