WEBVTT - The Warner Story Gets Messy

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech and it's time for

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<v Speaker 1>us to continue our exploration of the history of Warner Media.

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<v Speaker 1>So in our last episode, I talked about the founding

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<v Speaker 1>of two major parts of Warner Media, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>Time Incorporated, a magazine publisher, and Warner Brothers as in

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<v Speaker 1>Warner Brothers Studios, the film and then later TV and

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<v Speaker 1>record label studios. I focused a lot on Warner Brothers

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<v Speaker 1>in that last episode for pretty obvious reasons, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>time to go back to Time Incorporated. That is for

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<v Speaker 1>a moment anyway. Now. In the last episode, I said

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<v Speaker 1>that Time grew as a publisher, adding more publications to

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<v Speaker 1>its name as it evolved, and that it continued to

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<v Speaker 1>do so right up to nine nine, when it would

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<v Speaker 1>begin the process of merging with a company that at

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<v Speaker 1>that point was called Warner Communications. And I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to go all over that again because it's crazy complicated,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I just did that in Monday's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing I did not cover was Times own

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<v Speaker 1>multimedia empire. See, Time wasn't just in the business of

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<v Speaker 1>publishing magazines or even those Time Life books. You might

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<v Speaker 1>remember if you grew up in the seventies and eighties

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<v Speaker 1>like I did, and you saw the commercials all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I never did get that series about ghosts,

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<v Speaker 1>but I always wanted it. Anyway, we're backtracking a bit

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<v Speaker 1>to the nineteen sixties to talk about another element of

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<v Speaker 1>the Warner Media empire, and it came to Warner Media

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<v Speaker 1>through Time Incorporated. And it's a very important piece of

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<v Speaker 1>that empire. In fact, it's a composent that would end

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<v Speaker 1>up being transformational, so much so that I've done a

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<v Speaker 1>full series about this company, or rather this channel, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about HBO or Home Box Office, the subscription

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<v Speaker 1>cable channel best known today for like original series like

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<v Speaker 1>Game of Thrones and stuff. So since I did a

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<v Speaker 1>full treatment of this company in the past in full

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<v Speaker 1>episodes of tech stuff, and in fact have aired some

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<v Speaker 1>of those episodes as classics, not not in the not

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<v Speaker 1>too distant past, I'm not going to dive into excruciating detail,

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<v Speaker 1>but we do need to cover some of it because

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<v Speaker 1>HBO is a really important part of Warner Media today. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's put ourselves in the mindset of the typical

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<v Speaker 1>American consumer, uh, someone who watches television back in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties. This person has spent a not insignificant amount

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<v Speaker 1>of money to purchase a television set, and they most

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<v Speaker 1>likely get their television using an end anna to tune

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<v Speaker 1>into over the air broadcasts from nearby TV stations. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe if they live in a rural area, or if

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<v Speaker 1>they're in a really dense urban area with lots of skyscrapers,

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<v Speaker 1>they would actually be using cable. It's more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>be in a rural area in the nineteen sixties because see,

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<v Speaker 1>over the air broadcasts have a limited range, and once

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<v Speaker 1>you get far enough out from where there's a transmitter,

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<v Speaker 1>the signal you pick up might be so weak that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't see or hear anything on a given channel,

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<v Speaker 1>or it's just you know, a really poor quality, like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of static or whatever. So cable was a

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<v Speaker 1>way to deliver television signals to distant locations over a

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<v Speaker 1>physical wire or cable rather than over the air, and

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<v Speaker 1>by the nineteen sixties there were more than six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>cable systems in the United States. Mostly serving rural areas

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<v Speaker 1>that were not or you know, small towns that were

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<v Speaker 1>not close to transmitters. And the way most of these

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<v Speaker 1>worked was that you would have a dedicated antenna in

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<v Speaker 1>a location that could get a pretty good signal. So

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<v Speaker 1>you might build a really tall antenna at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of a hill, for example, and then you would pick

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<v Speaker 1>up signals using that antenna, and you'd send that signal

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<v Speaker 1>down cables to various households, which had to pay a

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<v Speaker 1>fee to access the cable feed. But the alternative was

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<v Speaker 1>to either get really cruddy TV signals or go with

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<v Speaker 1>nothing at all. So for some regions, cable TV was

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<v Speaker 1>really the only option if you actually wanted to watch television. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a guy named Charles Dolan who really pioneered

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<v Speaker 1>cable for dense urban environments. Like I said, it was

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<v Speaker 1>already being done out in rural areas, but Dolan was

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<v Speaker 1>looking at places like New York City. Dolan had started

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<v Speaker 1>out as a film editor. He was splicing together stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like sports films and industrial films in Cleveland, Ohio. But

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<v Speaker 1>he got a lucrative offer to sell his business and

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<v Speaker 1>he took it. Then he relocated to New York City,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where he saw the opportunity to potentially create

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<v Speaker 1>a cable system to serve the needs of folks who

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<v Speaker 1>were living in Downtown Manhattan and Lower Manhattan. Many of

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<v Speaker 1>these people, because of skyscrapers, weren't able to get a

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<v Speaker 1>good signal just using you know, antenna. Meanwhile, folks in

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey could pick up signals from Manhattan without a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was really a disconnect, right. You had people

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<v Speaker 1>living miles away who were picking up signals there were

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<v Speaker 1>just a few blocks away from Lower Manhattan, and the

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<v Speaker 1>folks at Lower Manhattan couldn't see anything. Well. Dolan decided

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<v Speaker 1>to start up a business called Sterling Information Services in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen and the company's focus was to provide cable TV

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<v Speaker 1>service for Lower Manhattan. But while the demand for television

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<v Speaker 1>was there, the actual reality of wiring up customers was

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<v Speaker 1>another matter. Because after a mass of blizzard that happened

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<v Speaker 1>in the late nineteenth century, the city of New York

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<v Speaker 1>had made a decision regarding infrastructure. You know, back then,

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<v Speaker 1>numerous utility poles were destroyed in that blizzard, so New

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<v Speaker 1>York decided to install power lines underground rather than using

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<v Speaker 1>utility poles, and stringing them above ground. Now that meant

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<v Speaker 1>there were no utility poles for Dolan to use in

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<v Speaker 1>order to wire up cable, so that meant he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to lay cable underground. That is incredibly expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>The estimates were somewhere in the neighborhood of three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars per mile of cable, and getting the cable

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<v Speaker 1>to a customer's location was just part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Manhattan residents largely lived in apartment buildings, so Dolan would

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<v Speaker 1>not just have to get the cable to the building,

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<v Speaker 1>he would then have to install cable into the buildings themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, snake it up through the structure itself, in

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<v Speaker 1>order to wire up each of the apartments that would

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<v Speaker 1>subscribe to his service. So by nineteen sixty seven, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>two years into his endeavor, Dolan had only signed up

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred customers and had spent more than two million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in the process. And he was losing money at

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<v Speaker 1>that time, Like he the costs were vastly outpacing the revenue.

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<v Speaker 1>Dolan got an investor to help offset those costs, and

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<v Speaker 1>that kept him afloat. And that investor was drumroll, please,

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<v Speaker 1>Time incorporated. Time, the publisher was eyeing cable as a

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<v Speaker 1>possible means of diversifying its portfolio of businesses, and the

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<v Speaker 1>folks at Time had this feeling that cable TV could

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<v Speaker 1>become a really big thing. So Time bought a stake

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<v Speaker 1>in Sterling, which gave Dolan the money he needed in

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<v Speaker 1>order to stay in business. But Dolan was still having

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<v Speaker 1>trouble convincing people to actually sign up for the cable service.

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<v Speaker 1>The content that already existed for TV isn't always compelling

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<v Speaker 1>enough to convince most folks to agree to a subscription

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<v Speaker 1>based model in order to access it. See. The main

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<v Speaker 1>issue really was that TV content at that time was

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<v Speaker 1>free quote unquote free Now I say free because it's

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<v Speaker 1>free the same way this podcast is free, and that

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<v Speaker 1>the content on television received revenue from advertisers. Content was

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<v Speaker 1>ad supported. In other words, This also gave rise to

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<v Speaker 1>companies like Nielsen, which created systems that could measure the

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<v Speaker 1>relative popularity of different programs. That popularity would then lead

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<v Speaker 1>to estimates about how many people were watching any given

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<v Speaker 1>show at any given time. Yeah, this was done by

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<v Speaker 1>projecting numbers. You would distribute a number of devices that

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<v Speaker 1>would essentially monitor what channel televisions were set at in

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<v Speaker 1>a given time, and then you would multiply that number

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<v Speaker 1>by a factor in order to kind of project that

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<v Speaker 1>out to the general public. Not the most precise way

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<v Speaker 1>of doing things, but it was the only real way

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<v Speaker 1>of handling it at the moment. So that popularity level

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<v Speaker 1>would lead to, you know, estimates about how many people

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<v Speaker 1>were watching at any given show at any given time,

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<v Speaker 1>and that gave TV executives an idea of what their

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<v Speaker 1>most popular programming was. That would lead to TV executives

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<v Speaker 1>being able to negotiate bigger ad deals for the most

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<v Speaker 1>popular programs. And all of this makes sense, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you can ask for a higher price to run an

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<v Speaker 1>ad during a really popular show because presumably way more

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<v Speaker 1>people are going to see ads that run on that

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<v Speaker 1>show than they would if you had an episode of

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Johnny tech boy talks about gadgets. Trust me,

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<v Speaker 1>I should know. Anyway, this sort of set up a

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<v Speaker 1>general expectation among viewers TV programming was quote unquote free.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's funny because the same sort of thing happened

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet, right People got used to this idea that

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<v Speaker 1>they could access content on the Internet for free, which

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<v Speaker 1>meant when some companies try to generate revenue not through advertising,

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<v Speaker 1>which has its own set of drawbacks, but rather through

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<v Speaker 1>things like subscriptions or paid for content. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people balked at that the so called paywall became a

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<v Speaker 1>barrier to entry, and I get it. You're asking people

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<v Speaker 1>to pay out of pocket for something when there's tons

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<v Speaker 1>of other stuff out there that does not require that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of direct investment. It's one of the big reasons

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<v Speaker 1>we don't go for paid subscription approaches with our podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>in general. We feel that anytime you put a paywall

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<v Speaker 1>in front of content, you're going to see a much

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<v Speaker 1>smaller audience, and we would rather be able to reach

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people, because it turns out we like

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<v Speaker 1>people anyway. The landscape and TV was that most people

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<v Speaker 1>were used to getting their programming for free, and so

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of just didn't see the value in subscribing

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<v Speaker 1>to a service to get something that other people got

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<v Speaker 1>just by using an antenna. So Dolan would end up

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<v Speaker 1>doing something that lots of other people and companies had

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<v Speaker 1>tried before. He would create content that would not be

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<v Speaker 1>available anywhere else, and the only way you would be

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<v Speaker 1>able to get it is if you bought into the

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<v Speaker 1>cable subscription. Our c A essentially did this back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day with radios. The company made radio sets, but

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<v Speaker 1>it really got into the radio station business largely because

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<v Speaker 1>it created the demand among consumers to buy the radios themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Right Like, you wouldn't buy a radio if there were

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<v Speaker 1>no stations to tune into. So our c A had

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<v Speaker 1>to get into the radio station business to create the

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<v Speaker 1>content so that people would want to go out and

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<v Speaker 1>buy the radio sets. It's this kind of cyclical approach. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the story goes that Dolan went on vacation with his

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<v Speaker 1>family and took a cruise to France aboard the ship

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<v Speaker 1>the Queen Elizabeth the Second, and on that trip he

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<v Speaker 1>came up with this idea for an exclusive channel that

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<v Speaker 1>would only go to his cable subscribers, and his working

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<v Speaker 1>name for the channel at that point was the Green Channel.

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<v Speaker 1>The Green Channel would have to have special programming on it,

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<v Speaker 1>It had to have stuff that you just couldn't find

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<v Speaker 1>on over the air broadcasts had to be set apart

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<v Speaker 1>with premium content. And this was going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty big gamble because other people had attempted to create

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<v Speaker 1>versions of pay TV in the past, and no one

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<v Speaker 1>had really succeeded at it so far. Now. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>those schemes involved over the air transmissions. Those are kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hard to do as a pay TV service because

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<v Speaker 1>there's always a chance for people to try and pirate

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<v Speaker 1>the air waves and thus watch that precious content without

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<v Speaker 1>actually paying for it. And because it's over the air broadcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have no way of knowing as a broadcaster

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<v Speaker 1>that people were doing that, right, I mean, you're just

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<v Speaker 1>sending a signal out. There's no return signal that tells

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<v Speaker 1>you if people are, you know, legit paying for your service,

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<v Speaker 1>or if they're just stealing it like the dirty TV

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<v Speaker 1>thieves that they are. There were also encoding and decoding strategies,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, scrambling a signal, which in theory, on

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<v Speaker 1>the other end, when you have a paying customer, would

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<v Speaker 1>be de scrambled to play properly on the television. But

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of those approaches were really limited and not

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<v Speaker 1>very good. So there were a lot of legit customers

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<v Speaker 1>who were getting poor experiences on the other end, like

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<v Speaker 1>they were actually paying for the service, but the results

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<v Speaker 1>were subpar cable bypassed those types of issues, and it

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<v Speaker 1>had another benefit because it wasn't broadcast over the air

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<v Speaker 1>because the f c C was trailing behind technology, FCC

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<v Speaker 1>restrictions that applied to over the air providers did not

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<v Speaker 1>apply to cable. Time surveyed potential customers. That is, Time

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<v Speaker 1>Incorporated surveyed potential customers for this new cable service with

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<v Speaker 1>a premium channel, and the results were not exactly promising.

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<v Speaker 1>They looked pretty bad, and they actually did a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of surveys and a lot of them looked bad. However,

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<v Speaker 1>after Time suggested that the first month of service would

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<v Speaker 1>be free and the installation charges would be refundable, they

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<v Speaker 1>got a slightly better response, though it still wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelmingly positive. It was essentially like a fift approval. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the Green Channel went through a name makeover. No one

0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.400
<v Speaker 1>had really come up with a killer name yet, so

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<v Speaker 1>they had a placeholder, a temporary name, and this was

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<v Speaker 1>called Home Box Office, which everyone was absolutely sure would

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<v Speaker 1>be changed before it launched, and it totally didn't. Interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>when HBO was finally ready to debut, it wouldn't do

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<v Speaker 1>so on Sterling Communications. That is, it would not be

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<v Speaker 1>on Dolan's cable network UH. Instead, it was a community

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<v Speaker 1>in Allentown, Pennsylvania that Time would choose as the debut

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<v Speaker 1>spot for HBO, at least initially UH, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>wired up on a totally different cable service that was

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<v Speaker 1>created by a guy named John Walson. That's the man

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<v Speaker 1>who actually gets the credit for inventing cable TV in

0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.400
<v Speaker 1>the first place. However, Time then changed its mind decided

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<v Speaker 1>to actually pilot the service in Wilkes Bar, Pennsylvania. The

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<v Speaker 1>reason for the shift was that some of the programming

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<v Speaker 1>that HBO wanted to carry happened to be NBA basketball games.

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<v Speaker 1>But the NBA, like a lot of sports organizations, has

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<v Speaker 1>a blackout rule, and that blackout rule says you are

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<v Speaker 1>not allowed to broadcast a game played within a certain

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<v Speaker 1>radius of where that game is taking place unless that

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<v Speaker 1>game happens to be sold out. This is a way

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that venues like stadiums are selling as

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<v Speaker 1>many tickets as possible. The idea being that if you

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<v Speaker 1>can stay home and why the game on TV, you

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<v Speaker 1>might not make the effort of buying a ticket and

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<v Speaker 1>going to the stadium. I mean that would be much

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<v Speaker 1>more expensive. So these blackouts meant that if you happened

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<v Speaker 1>to be within a certain region, like a certain range

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<v Speaker 1>from the stadium, you could not broadcast there. Well, Allentown

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<v Speaker 1>was a little too close to Philadelphia for that to

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<v Speaker 1>work out, So wilkes Bar was outside that range and

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<v Speaker 1>thus wouldn't have any issues. It wouldn't It would mean

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<v Speaker 1>that HBO wouldn't have to go dark for certain types

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<v Speaker 1>of programming. So Time moves the pilot program to wilkes Bar,

0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and again that was outside of that that UH radius. Now, initially,

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<v Speaker 1>the subscription for HBO to add HBO to your cable

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<v Speaker 1>plan if you lived in wilkes Bar at this time

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<v Speaker 1>was six dollars a month. Fewer than four hundred people

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<v Speaker 1>signed up for it when it launched on November eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>ninety two, and the first two pieces of programming on

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<v Speaker 1>HBO included a hockey game of the Rangers versus the Canucks,

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<v Speaker 1>followed by a movie from nineteen seventy called Sometimes a

0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Great Notion. The growth of HBO at first wasn't exactly inspiring.

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<v Speaker 1>Time incorporated oversaw deals with various regional cable companies, most

0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.359
<v Speaker 1>of them in Pennsylvania, and got agreements for them to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to carry the channel in return for subscriptions.

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<v Speaker 1>Customers of those cable companies would still have to add

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<v Speaker 1>a subscription to HBO in order to actually access that channel.

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<v Speaker 1>This would go on top of their normal cable subscription,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're already paying their cable bill, they'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>pay extra to get HBOS, something that I think most

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<v Speaker 1>of us are familiar with because that's kind of how

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<v Speaker 1>it operates now. And this was still a pretty hard

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<v Speaker 1>sell at that point. There were also other paid cable

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<v Speaker 1>channels emerging around this time, including one that would be

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<v Speaker 1>called Star Channel, which was part of Kenny National Company

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<v Speaker 1>slash Warner Community Sans within a division of Warner Communications

0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:08.840
<v Speaker 1>called Warner Cable. Meanwhile, the Sterling Cable Company was still

0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.440
<v Speaker 1>struggling in New York and losing money. The subscriber base

0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.520
<v Speaker 1>was modest, and the cost of installing cable in Manhattan

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<v Speaker 1>had not gotten any cheaper. Time acquired controlling Steak in

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<v Speaker 1>Sterling and then renamed it Manhattan Cable Television in nineteen three.

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<v Speaker 1>The growth in HBO largely came from a new method

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<v Speaker 1>of distributing signals so early on the way that Time

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<v Speaker 1>would broadcast HBO to cable stations. Is so they've got

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<v Speaker 1>their starter signal. They would then send that signal to

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<v Speaker 1>a microwave transmitter. And you have a tower, a radio

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<v Speaker 1>tower that can send out microwave transmissions. This tower would

0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.159
<v Speaker 1>beam out of microwave signal that carries that channel to

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<v Speaker 1>various cable stations in the region. These stations would receive

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<v Speaker 1>that transmission using a microwave antenna, and then they would

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<v Speaker 1>say and that signal through their cables to their customers.

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<v Speaker 1>But this new approach would go much further. In fact,

0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.120
<v Speaker 1>it went all the way out into space. The new

0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.920
<v Speaker 1>approach involved beaming the channel signal up to a communications

0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.960
<v Speaker 1>satellite in orbit, which then could beam down that same

0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:21.160
<v Speaker 1>signal to a receiving antenna connected to various cable stations.

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<v Speaker 1>This removed the need to build out microwave transmission antenna

0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.800
<v Speaker 1>across the United States and helped HBO to go national. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when we come back, will transition over to some other

0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.639
<v Speaker 1>elements that would become part of the Time Warner slash

0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:39.639
<v Speaker 1>Warner Communications slash Warner Media Empire, and some that would

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<v Speaker 1>not stand the test of time. But first let's take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break. HBO would continue to grow year over year,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course it got into the business of creating

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<v Speaker 1>original content on top of carrying stuff like sports events,

0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:03.720
<v Speaker 1>films that had recently left their theatrical runs. It also

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<v Speaker 1>created a companion channel that was a slightly lower tier

0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:12.159
<v Speaker 1>premium subscription channel. That channel was Cinemax, which launched in

0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:16.960
<v Speaker 1>nineteen Cinemax would focus solely on carrying movies at first,

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<v Speaker 1>while HBO continued to carry a variety of programming. The

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<v Speaker 1>reason Time launched Cinemax was primarily to compete with the

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<v Speaker 1>Movie Channel, which at that point was part of the

0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Warner Amex satellite entertainment venture. The Movie Channel, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>would merge with another channel called Showtime, and that new

0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:40.400
<v Speaker 1>channel would just be called Showtime. Ultimately, Warner an American

0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Express would sell off this joint venture to Viacom. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Cinemax would go on to experiment with various content over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, and while from the outside it seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of a competing cable service to HBO,

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<v Speaker 1>in reality, both entities fell under the umbrella of Time

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<v Speaker 1>and after nine Time Warner. Okay, so that's the basis

0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:08.800
<v Speaker 1>of the HBO and Cinemax elements of what is now

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<v Speaker 1>Warner Medium. I'm sure we're gonna come back because we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to talk about HBO Max later on that

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to have to come in the next episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've got a lot more to cover because there's

0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.800
<v Speaker 1>just so much and it is exhausting. But let's let's

0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:26.080
<v Speaker 1>take quick stock before we move on. So we're up

0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:31.719
<v Speaker 1>to about Time Warner has merged, So Time Incorporated and

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<v Speaker 1>Warner Communications are now Time Warner, and we've got a

0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.720
<v Speaker 1>true goliath of a multimedia company, one that would set

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<v Speaker 1>the stage for other massive media companies in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>So you had the assets of Time, which included a

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<v Speaker 1>publishing company with several popular weekly magazine titles, plus books

0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:54.200
<v Speaker 1>and beyond. That also includes the pay cable channels and

0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:58.760
<v Speaker 1>HBO and Cinemax, which we're now established entities, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were solid revenue general raiders. By nine. You had the

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<v Speaker 1>Warner Brothers movie and animation studios. UH Animation at this

0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:09.960
<v Speaker 1>point was it was a little quiet, but they still

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<v Speaker 1>had them. You also had the Warner Brothers television studios.

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<v Speaker 1>You still had the Warner Music Group, which was kind

0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.360
<v Speaker 1>of an umbrella for numerous music companies, not just Warner records.

0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Warner had sold off its stake in cable channels like MTV, Nickelodeon,

0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.600
<v Speaker 1>and Showtime to Viacom, so those were gone, but the

0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:33.640
<v Speaker 1>company still had actual cable operations as in cable service,

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<v Speaker 1>that is, the ability to act as a cable service provider.

0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:40.399
<v Speaker 1>That was Warner Cable. Oh and they also owned d

0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:45.400
<v Speaker 1>C Comics. Time had also acquired a cable service provider

0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:49.440
<v Speaker 1>called American Television and Communications or a TC, back in

0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:54.439
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy three, So Warner Cable became Time Warner Cable

0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:59.280
<v Speaker 1>after the merger, and a t C became Time Warner Communications.

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<v Speaker 1>Both of these divisions were then lumped in together into

0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:08.320
<v Speaker 1>a collected division called Time Warner Cable Group. However, this

0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:10.800
<v Speaker 1>part of the Time Warner would not stick around by

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<v Speaker 1>the time we get to Warner Media. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the company that would get spun off and

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<v Speaker 1>sold off. The Time Warner Company would spend off Time

0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Warner Cable as an independent company in two thousand nine.

0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:23.560
<v Speaker 1>But let's just follow that bunny trail a bit more

0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.439
<v Speaker 1>because it is interesting. So we're gonna flash forward to

0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:31.760
<v Speaker 1>two thousand thirteen and in Time Warner Cable, which remember

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<v Speaker 1>at this point is an independent company. It's no longer

0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:38.479
<v Speaker 1>part of Time Warner itself. Uh. It was looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility of finding a buyer to take over the company,

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<v Speaker 1>and old t WC founded two suitors in Charter Communications

0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:51.879
<v Speaker 1>and Comcast. These two companies competed for the lovely hand

0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:56.600
<v Speaker 1>of Time Warner Cable in proverbial marriage, and Comcast looked

0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.320
<v Speaker 1>like it was going to win out, but then the

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<v Speaker 1>US depart I'm gonna have justice stepped in and said,

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<v Speaker 1>hang on, Comcast, if you buy out Time Warner Cable,

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:07.480
<v Speaker 1>then you're going to have control of more than half

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.720
<v Speaker 1>of all broadband connections in the United States, and that's

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:15.480
<v Speaker 1>just a bit too anti competitive for our tastes, which

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:18.159
<v Speaker 1>was probably a good thing because Comcast was also building

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:22.040
<v Speaker 1>out its own ginormous media empire, which is a totally

0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 1>different story. By Comcast had enough with all the various

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:29.439
<v Speaker 1>inquiries and pushbacks and they jumped out of the picture.

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:33.159
<v Speaker 1>So Charter went on to acquire Time Warner Cable and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually phased out the branding to merge it with Charters

0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:40.240
<v Speaker 1>brand Spectrum, so that former part of Time Warner is

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:44.520
<v Speaker 1>now with Charter as Spectrum. Okay, so we've dealt with

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:52.719
<v Speaker 1>that piece. What's next? Alright? Okay, Turner Broadcasting CALSA. All right,

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:59.399
<v Speaker 1>So Time Warner acquired Turner Broadcasting in NIX. But that

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:01.280
<v Speaker 1>means we need to learn at least a little bit

0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:04.680
<v Speaker 1>about Turner Broadcasting. And this is kind of getting into

0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:07.880
<v Speaker 1>my own backyard here as I live in Atlanta, Georgia.

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:12.879
<v Speaker 1>So this is largely the story of Ted Turner. Now,

0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:16.240
<v Speaker 1>Ted Turner came from money. His father owned an advertising

0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:21.440
<v Speaker 1>company that actually was mostly focused on billboard advertising, and Ted,

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<v Speaker 1>after some uh Shenanigan's in college that got him booted

0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:33.359
<v Speaker 1>from college, he joined the family business in nineteen sixty. Tragically,

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Ted Turner's father committed suicide in nineteen sixty three, and

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 1>at that point Ted took over the family business and

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 1>the company was struggling at at that time, but Turner

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:49.160
<v Speaker 1>was able to move the business around, get it back

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 1>on its feet, and made it profitable again. Now having

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 1>succeeded at rescuing one business, Turner saw a chance to

0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:59.560
<v Speaker 1>do it again, but in a totally different industry. So

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 1>there was this ultra high frequency or UHF television station

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:07.680
<v Speaker 1>out of Atlanta that was having its own financial struggles

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 1>and was in danger of going on a business so

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Turner purchased this company and within three years turned it around.

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Two it was making a profit, and in nineteen seventy five,

0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Turner did something pretty forward thinking. He made a deal

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 1>that allowed him to beam this station's signal up to

0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:30.400
<v Speaker 1>a satellite and broadcast it to various keble television audiences.

0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 1>So not that different from what channels like HBO we're doing.

0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:37.399
<v Speaker 1>Only Turner's station was ad supported, so it didn't require

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 1>a special subscription. He called it w TBS or just

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:46.480
<v Speaker 1>TBS for Turner Broadcasting System, and Turner reorganized the parent

0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:50.520
<v Speaker 1>company for TBS and named it Turner Communications Company later

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:54.560
<v Speaker 1>on just changing that to Turner Broadcasting System Incorporated. He

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 1>launched the first twenty four hour news channel that was

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 1>CNN in nineteen eighty. He also launched t NT or

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 1>the Turner Network Television station, in nine Um let's see.

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:10.400
<v Speaker 1>He bought the Atlanta Braves baseball team in nineteen seventy six.

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:15.120
<v Speaker 1>He bought the Atlanta Hawks basketball team in nineteen seventy seven.

0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 1>He bought the MGM Slash United Artists Entertainment Company in

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty six that included a library of more than

0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:26.680
<v Speaker 1>four thousand movies. He did not hold on too that, however,

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:32.160
<v Speaker 1>that story by itself MGM story that one also will

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 1>make your head spend, but I'll not go into a

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>lot of detail here. In ninetee, Turner entered a joint

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:43.080
<v Speaker 1>venture with Apollo Investment Fund to acquire the Hanna Barbera Studio.

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Hanna Barbara was in animation studio um known for producing

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:51.719
<v Speaker 1>tons of famous cartoons, including Johnny Quest, The Flint Stones,

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 1>The Jetsons, Yogi Bear, Scooby Doo, tons of them. He

0:27:56.480 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 1>also acquired a lot of other studio libraries. He managed

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:05.400
<v Speaker 1>to acquire the pre nineteen fifty Warner Brothers Film Library,

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 1>He got the a AP Library, which included some Warner

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Brothers animation in it, and the Fleischer Studios Library, which

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:15.639
<v Speaker 1>included Popeye cartoons plus lots of other stuff. So he

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:19.119
<v Speaker 1>was just acquiring all this content. He also purchased w

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>c W, the Professional Wrestling Federation in nineteen eight nine.

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 1>But all these acquisitions accrued an enormous amount of debt

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 1>for Turner, so he also sold off some of them

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly. So MGM u A went fairly early on

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>In fact, Turner sold it back to the guy who

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 1>sold it to him, but Turner was holding onto the

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 1>library of films, which is why the recently announced Amazon

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 1>acquisition of MGM doesn't necessarily include all of the movies

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 1>that MGM has made over the years, because a lot

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 1>of those rights don't belong to MGM anymore. But again,

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 1>that's a story for another incredibly complicated podcast episode. Anyway,

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Turner also oversaw the creation of the Cartoon Network in

0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:07.120
<v Speaker 1>nine and Turner Movie Classics in nineteen. He supervised the

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>acquisition of both New Line Cinema and Castle Rock Entertainment,

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>a pair of motion picture production companies, And then we

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 1>get to nineteen six. So in nineties six, Time Warner

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>made Turner and offer he couldn't refuse. It was a

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 1>seven point five billion dollar acquisition deal for Turner Broadcasting System.

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>This meant the Time Warner and thus Warner Communications and

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 1>thus Warner Brothers Studio had a lovelier reunion with the

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>pre nineteen fifties Warner Brothers Film Library because Turner owned that.

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, this particular acquisition also meant that some Warner

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Brothers rights which had been sold off years earlier to

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 1>help cover debt came back to the entity that first

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:57.239
<v Speaker 1>created those works, sort of. I mean a lot had

0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>changed by then. The Warner of nine six was very

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>different than pre nineteen fifties Warner, but TBS, TNT, CNN,

0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>New Line Cinema, Castle Rock Entertainment, Hanna Barbera, the Cartoon Network,

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.480
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. All of these things made their move over

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 1>to Time Warner, as did Ted Turner. He became an

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 1>executive for Time Warner. While the acquisition of Turner Broadcasting

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 1>System was taking hold, Time Warner also got involved in

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>the launch of a new broadcast television network. That network

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>was the w B, which launched on January eleven, nine,

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 1>and this was a joint venture between Time Warner, specifically

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>the Warner Brothers Entertainment division of Time Warner and a

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>company called Tribune Broadcasting. The WB would stick around a

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 1>little more than a decade, during which time it served

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>as the launchpad for shows like The Steve Harvey Show,

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Dawson's Creek, Felicity, and Charmed, among

0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 1>many many others. Oh yeah, Supernatural was one of the

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>shows that debuted on the w B. Because I keep

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>forgetting that that show was on the air forever. That show,

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 1>I think it ran fifteen seasons, which I mean, all

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 1>it did was really teach me that if you hear

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 1>the song carry on my Wayward Son, it means that

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>one of two brothers is going to have a really

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 1>terrible time, and possibly both of them. But as I said, uh,

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 1>it only stuck around a little more than a decade.

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 1>So by the mid two thousand's, the w b's numbers

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 1>were in decline. Meanwhile, over at Viacom CBS, there was

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 1>another network called up N that was facing a similar situation.

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>By the way, the story of Viacom and CBS is

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 1>just as convoluted as this history of Warner Media is. Now,

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 1>both channels w B and up N we're trying to

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>compete with Fox, and Fox was performing far better than

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 1>either of the other two channels. So both the w

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:56.200
<v Speaker 1>B and up N were losing money somewhere in the

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 1>neighborhood of like two billion dollars total between them. So

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>CBS and Warner Brothers Entertainment decided to join forces rather

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 1>than compete against each other. Both the w B and

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>up N would shut down within a couple of days

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>of each other and CBS and Warner would then launch

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>a joint venture television network called the c W. I

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>took the C from CBS and the w from Warner Brothers.

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Some shows from both networks made the jump over to

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 1>this new network, like Supernatural and Smallville came over from

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the w B to the c W, and to this day,

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Warner Media owns half of the c W, with the

0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:38.280
<v Speaker 1>other half belonging to CBS, So we can put that

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 1>in the big old bucket of Warner assets. Okay, we're

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 1>zeroing in on what Warner Media is today, but we

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 1>still have a lot of ground to cover, and part

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:51.239
<v Speaker 1>of that ground means going over what has frequently been

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 1>called one of the worst mergers of all time. So

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 1>when we come back, it'll be time to get back online.

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 1>But first, let's take another quick break. All right, time

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>for yet another quick history lesson, and this time we're

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 1>going to be talking about America Online a k A

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 1>a O L. Now I've done episodes about A O

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 1>L as well, so we're going to get the summarized

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 1>account of its history, because again, uh, extra bonkers really, So,

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 1>America Online started out as an online service provider or

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 1>OSP and Technically was founded in nine in Dulles, Virginia. Now.

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>The company grew out of a couple of earlier ventures

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>that focused on connecting computers with each other through modems

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 1>and phone lines. And when I say an online service provider,

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm really talking about something that's sort of a predecessor

0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 1>to the Internet, or rather, it existed while the Internet existed,

0:33:57.360 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>but it was something that was publicly accessible, and the

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Internet typically wasn't unless you were part of an academic

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 1>institution or research facility or something like that. So back

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 1>in the day, OSPs had their own networks, their own contained,

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, closed off networks, so customers could use a

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 1>modem and they would dial into an OSP and they

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 1>would access various features. These typically included stuff like, you know,

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:29.400
<v Speaker 1>you could get news headlines or weather forecasts, or contact lists,

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 1>assuming that your contacts were, you know, using the same

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 1>service you were using, and also some messaging services like

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 1>email or early instant messages. But again, these tools only

0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 1>worked if the people you were chatting with were also

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 1>on the same service you were on. There wasn't a

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:47.839
<v Speaker 1>lot of at least in the early days, there wasn't

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of opportunities to send messages to someone who

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 1>is on a different osph. Some of these OSPs also

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>had online games and a few other applications, and this

0:34:57.440 --> 0:35:00.080
<v Speaker 1>was before the debut of the World Wide Web, so

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 1>these were all kind of self contained islands. Now gradually

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 1>some of these islands made connections with one another, and

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 1>then the Web developed and these OSPs began to create

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 1>ways to access the Internet at large. So what started

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>off as a sort of walled off kingdom now became

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 1>a portal to the Internet at large, and A o

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 1>L was one of the big early players in the space.

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 1>This was helped considerably by the fact that at the time,

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 1>telecommunications companies had to abide by restrictions that kept them

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>from getting into the I s P business right away,

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>So businesses like A o L became associated with the Internet,

0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:43.320
<v Speaker 1>so much so that for some people A o L

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and the Internet were effectively synonymous. In the early days,

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.320
<v Speaker 1>A o L charged users on an hourly basis, so

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 1>the more time you spent online, the more you had

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.759
<v Speaker 1>to pay. Toward the end of nineteen a o L

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>swapped over from hourly rates to a a monthly rate

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen dollars and cents, and the service grew very

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 1>quickly after that. And it when I say grew very quickly,

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was like Gangbusters. Now, this was the

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:15.879
<v Speaker 1>heyday of the dot com bubble. Before the bubble would burst,

0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 1>internet based companies were proliferating and growing like crazy, at

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 1>least on paper. A O L was flush with cash

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 1>and a sky high stock price really was fueling this.

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 1>In nine, in China during the fiftieth anniversary of the

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 1>establishment of the People's Republic of China, which I know

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:39.879
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like I'm doing a non secretary, but stick

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 1>with me anyway. At this event, the celebration of the

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:45.920
<v Speaker 1>founding of the People's Republic of China, there happened to

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:49.759
<v Speaker 1>be two people important to our story. The then head

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:54.240
<v Speaker 1>of Time Warner, Gerald m. Levin, happened to be sitting

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 1>right in front of a O L. Co founder Stephen Case,

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:01.800
<v Speaker 1>and the two got chatting. Now, A O L was

0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:04.800
<v Speaker 1>already kind of looking to make a big acquisition of

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.880
<v Speaker 1>a traditional company, with the goal being to form a

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 1>company that would define future corporations like the new media

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:16.799
<v Speaker 1>meets the old world. So Time Warner popped up as

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>a possibility. I mean Time Warner represented old media, film

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 1>TV Music Publishing. Meanwhile, over at Time Warner, Levin was

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 1>in discussions about how to move the company into the

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 1>next century. Levin and his team recognize that there was

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 1>a digital revolution underway and that it would be good

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:38.720
<v Speaker 1>to evolve Time Warner and stay ahead of this curve.

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 1>One possibility early on was a merger between Time Warner

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>and Yahoo, but Yeah Who's founder Jerry Yang ultimately decided

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:50.880
<v Speaker 1>not to pursue that opportunity. Case and Levin had a

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:54.240
<v Speaker 1>few more conversations with each other, and gradually the idea

0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 1>came about of merging Time Warner with a O L.

0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Except really it was more more of an acquisition than

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 1>a merger because a O L's stock price was just

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:10.439
<v Speaker 1>so incredibly high and Time Warners wasn't. So. This deal

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 1>that they worked out stated that a O L would

0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 1>have fifty ownership of this new company and Time Warner

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 1>would have forty five percent ownership of it. The board

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:23.320
<v Speaker 1>would have an equal number of folks from directors on

0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>A O L side and directors from Time Warner side.

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Eleven of Time Warner would become the CEO of the company,

0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 1>and Case from a O L would be the chairman

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 1>of the board, and they kept this deal pretty darn quiet.

0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 1>In fact, a lot of people in senior leadership positions

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:44.279
<v Speaker 1>for both companies didn't find out about the merger until

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 1>the companies announced it publicly in early two thousand. In

0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.320
<v Speaker 1>a way, this sort of played right into the overall

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 1>narrative of Time Warner. After all, the Warner properties were

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:59.840
<v Speaker 1>mostly focused on media like TV, film, music, publishing, and

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:02.120
<v Speaker 1>you know that was it. And then a O L

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:05.239
<v Speaker 1>would bring new media into the mix, adding in yet

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:09.920
<v Speaker 1>another aspect to this already incredibly complex story. The combined

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.440
<v Speaker 1>value of the companies was estimated to be more than

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 1>three fifty billion dollars, thus making this the largest merger

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 1>up to that point. And while they begin the merger

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:24.760
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand, it would take a full year to complete.

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, things took a very serious turn. Actually,

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.840
<v Speaker 1>it took a few turns, but one is one that

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:35.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure most of you are already familiar with, and

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:39.880
<v Speaker 1>that is the dot com bubble. In fact burst that

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 1>process was not instantaneous. I mean it sounds like it is,

0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 1>because you're talking about a bubble bursting, and you know

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 1>when that happens, it's an instant that wasn't the case

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 1>with this. This was more of a very slow, painful,

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:56.960
<v Speaker 1>dramatic decline and value. So the stock market value of

0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the internet companies that were really going like crazy. It

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.239
<v Speaker 1>peaked in the early spring of two thousand. Like March

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:07.400
<v Speaker 1>of two thousand, it was at its highest ever, but

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:11.520
<v Speaker 1>a confluence of events led to much of the market collapsing,

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 1>with many companies going out of business as a result.

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Some of the problem was because of the overvaluation of

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 1>companies that had yet to produce any revenue, and some

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:25.960
<v Speaker 1>of them had no business plan whatsoever. So essentially these

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 1>were companies that, again they were incredibly valuable on paper

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 1>because people were pouring money into it from an investment standpoint,

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:38.200
<v Speaker 1>but they didn't really have any means of generating revenue. Uh.

0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Some of this had to do with companies that were

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 1>over extending themselves. They got flush with cash, and then

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 1>they started spending the cash like crazy, either in order

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 1>to try and scale the business up as fast as

0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 1>possible or on you know, luxuries like penthouse offices and

0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 1>daily massages and all the kind of stuff you hear

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 1>about from the dot com days. Some of it also

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.920
<v Speaker 1>had to do with economic recessions that happened in other

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 1>parts of the world, such as Asia that had an

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.719
<v Speaker 1>impact on the tech sector. Some of it had to

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:13.280
<v Speaker 1>do with proposed mergers that fell through. Not Time Warner

0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 1>in a O L. That one did go through, but

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 1>other mergers that were planned fell flat, and that hurt

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:22.959
<v Speaker 1>the market too, and thus stock prices began to fall.

0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:26.960
<v Speaker 1>By May of two thousand, a O L was having

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.879
<v Speaker 1>to make some pretty tough choices in order to stay

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 1>on track with earnings in order to meet the requirements

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:35.360
<v Speaker 1>that were set by the merger that was already in progress.

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:39.479
<v Speaker 1>The market continued to go through a decline. Meanwhile, things

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:42.800
<v Speaker 1>were not going smoothly between the two companies. There was

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a serious clash of cultures between Time Warner and A

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 1>O L. And then there were some dealings of a

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:53.520
<v Speaker 1>somewhat shady nature. So one day Alec Klein, who was

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 1>a reporter for the Washington Post, gets this anonymous tip

0:41:57.480 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 1>from someone at A O L. And that leads Alec

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 1>on this investigation, and that investigation uncovered that A O

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:08.960
<v Speaker 1>L had been misrepresenting its AD revenue numbers. Big no

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>no for a publicly traded company. I mean that is fraud.

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 1>So Klein publishes a story, which then prompted the U. S.

0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Securities and Exchange Commission or SEC, and the Department of

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<v Speaker 1>Justice the good old d o J, to investigate another acronym,

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<v Speaker 1>a O L. That investigation eventually led to a O

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<v Speaker 1>L being required to pay some really big fines, which,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, another big blow to a company that

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<v Speaker 1>was seeing its stock price plummet. And it also had

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<v Speaker 1>to post corrected past earnings, so, in other words, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>just have to pay a fine, it had to publish

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:47.880
<v Speaker 1>earnings that that showed how they had fudged those numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>This was not a great moment for the new AO

0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>L Time Warner, though it did give folks over on

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the Time Warner side a little bit of a boost

0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 1>because they suddenly saw that they're part of the company

0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 1>was perhaps the more valuable piece In the meantime, The

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 1>terrorist attacks on the United States on September eleven, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand one had obviously an enormous impact on all aspects

0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 1>of life in America, and that included business. It also

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>exacerbated the market troubles for the dot com industry, which

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<v Speaker 1>continued to fall, and A O L, which had been

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<v Speaker 1>in such a dominant position at the end of nineteen

0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:26.440
<v Speaker 1>was in a very different state towards the end of

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand one, just a year into the merger with

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<v Speaker 1>Time Warner. Levin retired in December two thousand one. Case

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<v Speaker 1>stayed on a bit longer, but ultimately decided to not

0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:40.640
<v Speaker 1>run again for Chairman of the board in two thousand three.

0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 1>He had received a pretty good deal of abuse from

0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 1>shareholders and leadership of both companies about the merger, about

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:51.359
<v Speaker 1>the falling stock price for the company, about the need

0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:54.360
<v Speaker 1>to get things moving in a better direction. According to

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<v Speaker 1>Ted Turner, who was once the largest shareholder of A

0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:01.560
<v Speaker 1>o L. Time Warner, he had continued to sit on

0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:04.279
<v Speaker 1>the board of directors for a while. According to him,

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<v Speaker 1>it cost him around eighty percent of his worth, which

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:13.320
<v Speaker 1>he said amounted to around eight billion dollars yikes. The

0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:17.359
<v Speaker 1>executives on the Time Warner side were resentful, largely because

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.239
<v Speaker 1>A o L, which initially was seen as the juggernaut

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:23.279
<v Speaker 1>with huge momentum, was now viewed as a kind of

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 1>anchor weighing down the rest of the company. The A

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:29.680
<v Speaker 1>O L. Time Warner years had to be really hard

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:33.680
<v Speaker 1>ones for people at both companies. The period lasted for

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 1>less than a decade, with the company announcing in two

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 1>thousand nine the Time Warner, which remember was effectively acquired

0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 1>back in two thousand uh, that it was going to

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.759
<v Speaker 1>spin off a O L as an independent company. So

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:51.360
<v Speaker 1>now the acquired company has is acting like the parent company.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we talk about Warner Media, one property that

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<v Speaker 1>does not come up is a O L. That that

0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:00.960
<v Speaker 1>is not part of Warner Media any more. But we

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<v Speaker 1>still have to talk about a O L because that

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:08.160
<v Speaker 1>merger was a transformative experience for both companies. I suspect

0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:11.879
<v Speaker 1>a huge combination of things like culture clashes, the dot

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 1>com market collapsing, poor communication, a failure to align the

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.720
<v Speaker 1>missions of both companies so that they supported one another.

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I think all of those are partly to blame for

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.480
<v Speaker 1>this mess. And the vision was to create the media

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:30.680
<v Speaker 1>company of the future, but the reality saw just chaos

0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:35.360
<v Speaker 1>that did not work. AOL. Time Warner was in a

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<v Speaker 1>rough spot, and you know, in two thousand two it

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<v Speaker 1>had reported a loss of ninety nine billion dollars billion.

0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:44.279
<v Speaker 1>That was a third of the company's value lost in

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<v Speaker 1>a year, and at that point it was the largest

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<v Speaker 1>loss any company had ever reported in a single year.

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<v Speaker 1>So there were a lot of executive shuffles there, with

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<v Speaker 1>leaders shifting into new roles or taking on joint responsibilities

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:58.520
<v Speaker 1>for both companies, and it was a very messy time.

0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:01.720
<v Speaker 1>And one of those executive to try and hold things together,

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:05.080
<v Speaker 1>only to ultimately resign from the company in two thousand

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:09.239
<v Speaker 1>two was Bob Pittman, who today is the leader of

0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:14.680
<v Speaker 1>I Heart Media. Howdy Boss. Anyway, Pittman was one of

0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:18.640
<v Speaker 1>several executives who really tried to align the companies together

0:46:19.239 --> 0:46:23.319
<v Speaker 1>but faced enormous hurdles along the way. And Pittman had

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:26.239
<v Speaker 1>a long history in media already. He was one of

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 1>the co founders of MTV back in the day, and

0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:31.479
<v Speaker 1>so he had worked on the Time Warner side before

0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the merger. Maybe one day I'll convince him to come

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.240
<v Speaker 1>onto the show and talk about his various experiences, because

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that guy's got some stories. He has seen

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:44.360
<v Speaker 1>it all. He's the head of a big media company today,

0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:51.080
<v Speaker 1>co founded MTV, he played an enormous part in the

0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:55.720
<v Speaker 1>development of media in America over the last thirty years.

0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 1>So maybe I can get him on the show sometime.

0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 1>That brings us up to ten and we still have

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot more story to get through. Heck, we haven't

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 1>even mentioned A T and T yet, And in our

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<v Speaker 1>next installment will learn where Time Warner would go next

0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 1>after parting ways with A O. L. And where Warner

0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Media would come from and why A T and T,

0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:21.040
<v Speaker 1>which currently holds Warner Media, is now looking to spend

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 1>off the company so that it can merge with my

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:28.080
<v Speaker 1>old employer, Discovery Communications. So that'll be our episode on

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.839
<v Speaker 1>Monday next week, which is a holiday, so I'm gonna

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:37.360
<v Speaker 1>have to get it recorded soon. Note to self, I promised, Harry. Anyway,

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