Speaker 1: Yours was called sort of a transformational captain cum in
Speaker 1: that particular Rider Cup. It it kind of changed the
Speaker 1: way the captain saw. There were five rookies on our side.
Speaker 1: You paid absolutely no attention to anyone on the opposing team. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean I I just knew I had
Speaker 1: my team. I had things I had to work through.
Speaker 1: I was only allowed two assistance Both my sons, Junior
Speaker 1: and Ronnie were my two assistants. Stockton family started young
Speaker 1: at the Ryder Cup. There, I only got two picks, okay,
Speaker 1: so I had one spot locked up. I was automatically
Speaker 1: going to pick Raymond Floyd because I was gonna pair
Speaker 1: him with Couples, which was a brilliant pairing because at
Speaker 1: that point in time, Couples didn't know how good he
Speaker 1: really was. Okay, but I needed one more pick, and
Speaker 1: it boiled down to be between Tom Watson, Tom Kite,
Speaker 1: and uh chip Beck. And basically and I pulled five
Speaker 1: or six players to play with him. I wanted them happy,
Speaker 1: and it turned out we've ended up. Pick and ship back.
Speaker 1: Put another log on the fire. Nobody hears get the time.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the fire Pit with Matt Janella needless to say.
Speaker 1: Goat Hill Park in Oceanside, California is a special place.
Speaker 1: Pull up, grab your clubs, throw a leash on your dog,
Speaker 1: walk to the recently renovated range, and you never know
Speaker 1: who you might see. There's Dean Wilson, Mike Weir, Bill Murray,
Speaker 1: Charlie Hoffman, Jeff Ogilvie, Kelly Slater, Xander Shafley, Byron Scott
Speaker 1: or Bubba Watson. But on this day, the day that
Speaker 1: inspired this podcast, I saw three generations of Stockton's Dave
Speaker 1: Stockton Senior, Dave Stockton Jr. And junior son Jake, who's
Speaker 1: a sophomore at Arizona State Senior. One ten times on tour,
Speaker 1: two PGA Championships, fourteen more on the champions Tour, which
Speaker 1: included another three majors. He played at USC turned pro
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty four and was a member of the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one and seventy seven Rider Cup teams, both
Speaker 1: were winners, and he captained the winning Ryder Cup team
Speaker 1: in ninety one at Kiawa's War by the Shore. He
Speaker 1: also played a role in the two thousand four Rider Cup,
Speaker 1: which will get too later in the podcast. Stockton who
Speaker 1: is not yet in the World Golf Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: will tell you he has had a better career as
Speaker 1: a short game and putting instructor than he had as
Speaker 1: a player, working with the likes of AKA Phil and Rory.
Speaker 1: He's married to his wife Kathy, who will hear from
Speaker 1: throughout this podcast, and they'll celebrate Senior's eightieth birthday in November.
Speaker 1: They have two sons, Dave June and ron Or Ronnie,
Speaker 1: who both played professionally and are also instructors. Junior, who
Speaker 1: played ten years as a pro and who won two
Speaker 1: nationwide Tour events, is a fixture at the Goat, and
Speaker 1: he often brings his son, Jake, who spent most of
Speaker 1: his childhood playing sports like water polo, but now at
Speaker 1: six ft five inches, has turned to golf and is
Speaker 1: office seven handicap. I got paired with all three Stockton's
Speaker 1: that day as they were preparing for the Herdsman, a
Speaker 1: two man summer tournament at the Goat in which Senor
Speaker 1: was going to partner with Jake Jr. Was playing with
Speaker 1: a longtime friend. But before we get to all of
Speaker 1: that and several reflections on life and specifically Ryder Cups,
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Speaker 1: you can imagine, going all eighteen with three Stockton's was
Speaker 1: a special day. Not only did I get some tips,
Speaker 1: it was a treat to watch them all interact with
Speaker 1: each other. You can see some of that in the
Speaker 1: video on fire Pit Collective dot com, which we dropped
Speaker 1: along with this podcast, and just prior to the Herdsman,
Speaker 1: we had them all stopped by the fire Pit offices
Speaker 1: in Oceanside to record some of their stories and perspective
Speaker 1: on life and golf. We start with seniors first memories
Speaker 1: of the game. I mean, I grew up in Sammard,
Speaker 1: you know Derrowed Country Club and my dad was the
Speaker 1: pro at the time. And the pro shop was like
Speaker 1: three doors down from us, and our front law and
Speaker 1: the mowers of the golf course to just mow our
Speaker 1: backyard as it was mowing the golf course. Um. So
Speaker 1: my first impression is, like most other kids, I used
Speaker 1: the backyard not to play golf. I use the backyard
Speaker 1: to play football and baseball. And it was the coolest
Speaker 1: place in the world. And you know, I I would play,
Speaker 1: I'd be you know, I would remember little kids. I'd
Speaker 1: play up the first hole, which is the part five,
Speaker 1: and I played down the eleventh hole, which is a
Speaker 1: part five. And I only had three clubs. I had
Speaker 1: a putter and a three wood and a nine iron,
Speaker 1: and I just play away and the eleventh green are
Speaker 1: our house was between the second green and the eleventh green.
Speaker 1: In between that was the twelve team that was eventually
Speaker 1: later on when I was a pro, I would practice
Speaker 1: up to twelfth hold late at night, but then I
Speaker 1: would be playing back and forth over the greens. So
Speaker 1: I the only thing I remember as a kid is
Speaker 1: going to the putting green at the clubhouse, which is
Speaker 1: three doors away. And here I'm six or seven at
Speaker 1: the time. I would challenge anybody to put if they
Speaker 1: were dumb enough to put up on the pudding green.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was good at what I did. You
Speaker 1: already dead, You already remember being good when you were
Speaker 1: six secon years about anybody. I mean, I just not
Speaker 1: not for anything. It's just a matter, you know. I
Speaker 1: want to play, you know, I mean, and I didn't
Speaker 1: have to go out, and I didn't want hit balls.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about distance or anything. I just it was
Speaker 1: the easiest thing, probably less effort, just to go put
Speaker 1: rather than you know, going along part of the course.
Speaker 1: As for Junior's first memory of golf, the summertime was
Speaker 1: spent following him around on tour and before I was
Speaker 1: early as I was a couple of weeks old when
Speaker 1: I was first on tour, three weeks old, I was
Speaker 1: out on tour. I was We were called tour brats.
Speaker 1: That's what the kids were called. Back then. There was
Speaker 1: no daycare that they have set up now. It's so
Speaker 1: great for the players that wives can actually go out
Speaker 1: and watch her husband's play. When we were growing up,
Speaker 1: the wives would take turns, like my mom would get
Speaker 1: to watch my dad play nine holes, then she'd come
Speaker 1: back one of the other wise would go out and
Speaker 1: watch her husband, and she'd watch us. And you know,
Speaker 1: we were always playing at the hotel because when we
Speaker 1: did go out to the golf course as little kids,
Speaker 1: were always hanging all over our mom, and it was hot,
Speaker 1: and we'd be hanging on both sides of her, and
Speaker 1: Dad's inside the ropes have and his fun and Mom's
Speaker 1: dying walking with us. But I know right inside, yeah,
Speaker 1: all the time. He never hit a crooked But I
Speaker 1: as a kid, I would remember I was always all
Speaker 1: in on watching the golf and I would run up
Speaker 1: to the fairway where they'd land, and I'd look back
Speaker 1: at the tea and watch him hit. And if he
Speaker 1: hit his tea shot and he just picked up his
Speaker 1: tea immediately, I knew the ball was going to be
Speaker 1: in the fairway, but a lot of times it was
Speaker 1: more him leaning one way or the other, and so
Speaker 1: I'm looking for the golf ball. But I'd watch him
Speaker 1: land and then I'd run up to the green and
Speaker 1: watch him approach. I I didn't miss the shot when
Speaker 1: I was at the course, I just loved it. And
Speaker 1: then there's Jake. I just remember always going to the
Speaker 1: College of the Desert and just hitting balls in the range.
Speaker 1: They're just get one of the big buckets and just
Speaker 1: hit balls until it's gone. And I just went through
Speaker 1: each bucket, just trying to figure it out, and started
Speaker 1: these the c U S d A tournaments as a kid,
Speaker 1: and eventually round towards when high school came around, I
Speaker 1: I M kind of just like fell off with golf,
Speaker 1: and then more recently, I've like a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: I started picking it up again. I'm starting to really
Speaker 1: enjoy it now. Although he grew up around it, golf
Speaker 1: wasn't senior's first choice of sports. If I hadn't broke
Speaker 1: my back when I was fifteen, I would have I
Speaker 1: would have not been a golfer because I like basketball
Speaker 1: and baseball, not that I was any good at it,
Speaker 1: but golf was like a sissy sport. I mean I
Speaker 1: I mean I played tournaments, I won tournaments before I
Speaker 1: was ten, but it wasn't anything that I put any
Speaker 1: effort into. And it wasn't what the athletes were doing
Speaker 1: back then, right, it wasn't all. It just wasn't cool. No.
Speaker 1: But seeing my dad came out of that you know,
Speaker 1: depression all this other time, and he was a pro
Speaker 1: in the thirties, but there's no money. He couldn't play anywhere,
Speaker 1: you know me, unless you were. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: a picture, great picture he and Walter Hagen when he
Speaker 1: had an exhibition against Walter Hagen and Arrow had nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty seven. I mean, the two of them standing there.
Speaker 1: I mean, my dad could really play. But when my
Speaker 1: I'll show you how about how much shoots. When I
Speaker 1: was twelve years old, my dad said I was gonna
Speaker 1: have a summer job. Okay, everybody else gets out and
Speaker 1: Junior mentioned this, everybody gets out in in May, and
Speaker 1: now you played off play all these tournaments. Sure, I
Speaker 1: never played more than three tournaments in a summer. And
Speaker 1: I worked the first summer at his sporting goods store.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember selling a twenty four ft cabin
Speaker 1: cruiser that was like six thousand dollars, which is a
Speaker 1: lot of money back in the you know, in the
Speaker 1: mid fifties, and shotguns and did all this stuff. From
Speaker 1: the end of the year, my dad informed me that
Speaker 1: I was going to go to work the next summer
Speaker 1: for the neighbor. While the neighbor happened on the lumber yard.
Speaker 1: And I'm a friend of the next door neighbor who
Speaker 1: owns the lumber yard and holding three of them. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm introduced to his Clarence Fox. I'll never forget this guy.
Speaker 1: I'm introduced and I'm the only guy that's not in union,
Speaker 1: so I'm a friend of the owner. It's a union
Speaker 1: run business. How much chance do I have? And I
Speaker 1: spent every summer from then on thirteen on until I
Speaker 1: graduated MESS working at the slumber yard. Never I played
Speaker 1: three tournaments when I was seventeen, trying to get a
Speaker 1: scholarship to get sc played the Harshet Revere and I
Speaker 1: played the national junior at at Stanford University and I
Speaker 1: just but that was that was it, and you got
Speaker 1: the scholarship. Yeah. And then probably the first time in
Speaker 1: l A I shot eighty three. Senior said he made
Speaker 1: a dollar an hour in his first summer at that
Speaker 1: lumber yard. And while at USC, he got set up
Speaker 1: with Katherine Bales, a beauty queen who was also from
Speaker 1: southern California. What was it about Dave Stockton that just
Speaker 1: stole your heart? Well, I met Dave at my front door.
Speaker 1: It was it was a blind date, Yeah, and set
Speaker 1: up through the family. Um, I knew if his name
Speaker 1: through friends, but I had never seen it, so to
Speaker 1: see him for the first time right there at my
Speaker 1: front door was really kind of fun. But you know,
Speaker 1: at that point in time, you have no idea what
Speaker 1: direction this is gonna go. But if you know, it
Speaker 1: just all happened pretty quickly. Um. We knew within a
Speaker 1: month that he well, he wanted me to wear his
Speaker 1: fraternity pen because he was still at SC finishing his
Speaker 1: final semester. And I told him, I said, you know
Speaker 1: what that means, of course back then and he said yeah,
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, it's engaged to be engaged, and
Speaker 1: I said, this is serious. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: really understood that, but anyway, to me, that's what it meant.
Speaker 1: So um, I said, yes, I told we wore that,
Speaker 1: I bore the pen U s C and and went
Speaker 1: through the whole deal with the pinning, and it was
Speaker 1: that was the start. And within oh a couple of
Speaker 1: months after that, we were talking about getting married a
Speaker 1: year from then. And he goes out on tour qualifying
Speaker 1: and he's so lonely out there, he says, can we
Speaker 1: move that wedding up and back then? You could? So
Speaker 1: within three months we moved it to February and here
Speaker 1: we are. We that was the start of our life.
Speaker 1: Our honeymoon was practically almost nine months out there on tour,
Speaker 1: never going home, and just an adventure and loving it
Speaker 1: and just we were a team. We knew we had
Speaker 1: were going to be a team from then on and
Speaker 1: and that's how it started. So it's really been, you know,
Speaker 1: quite a life for us. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's too many other people have a story like that,
Speaker 1: but ours is pretty special. From the day you met
Speaker 1: him at that front door, how many how much time
Speaker 1: passed before you guys got married? A year in a week? Wow? Yeah,
Speaker 1: a year and a week. That's amazing. That's and now
Speaker 1: you guys have been married fifty six years, going on
Speaker 1: fifty seven in February. Yeah, and the se February. The
Speaker 1: secret has been, I don't know, just enjoying each other
Speaker 1: and loving each other and loving what we do together.
Speaker 1: We do so many different things together. He loved hunting.
Speaker 1: I learned to love hunting and enjoyed it with him, Uh, fishing,
Speaker 1: and of course we were lucky we had two boys
Speaker 1: and they could enjoy things like that, and the fact
Speaker 1: that they could enjoy what their dad was doing out
Speaker 1: on tour, traveling together. Um, I mean, how could you
Speaker 1: not say it was perfect? More from Senior on the
Speaker 1: early days of chasing his dream, one tour stop at
Speaker 1: a time. When I started on tour, the hardest part
Speaker 1: of our life was that Kathy had to watch the
Speaker 1: kids and I'd go out up for the month of
Speaker 1: a time, not more in a month. But I wasn't
Speaker 1: like guyber a two week stretch I'd go for. And
Speaker 1: so consequently, you know, when when they got out of school,
Speaker 1: boy they were on tour because then we could travel together.
Speaker 1: And that's why I didn't play the bridge. I only
Speaker 1: played the British twice because when it came up, you know,
Speaker 1: they they would you know, I was, I wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: take him over there, you know, all the way over
Speaker 1: there for that. And you played better in hot weather anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, all my tournaments are in July, all
Speaker 1: my winds are July and August. So I mean it
Speaker 1: made it made I feel like the first part of
Speaker 1: the year. Like some guys played better during different things,
Speaker 1: I can't. I mean, I'm a hobbit with my back.
Speaker 1: I mean, I won the tpc A Tampa on the
Speaker 1: Senior Tour, and I won the l A Open. Those
Speaker 1: the only two year going to find generally in July
Speaker 1: or August, I guess warm. In gathering other voices and
Speaker 1: perspectives on the Stockton's I interviewed Lanny Watkins, who is
Speaker 1: in the World Golf Hall of Fame, played with Stockton
Speaker 1: in the seventy seven Writer Cup and played for him
Speaker 1: in the Writer Cup at Kiowa. When I say, Dave Stockton,
Speaker 1: what do you say, ultimate competitor, battler got more out
Speaker 1: of his game than probably anyone else. If anything, Dave
Speaker 1: Stockton was an overachiever and a true friend and a
Speaker 1: good person guy who always had the best interests of
Speaker 1: the game at heart. I also spoke to Al Geiberg, Mr.
Speaker 1: Fifty nine, who has been a longtime friend and partner
Speaker 1: in various events through the years, and a good example
Speaker 1: referring back to the CBS Golf Classic, I mean he'd
Speaker 1: be thirty five ft away, forty ft away. I remember
Speaker 1: that A few times. I actually felt he might make it,
Speaker 1: and I know the opponents did too, So that puts
Speaker 1: the pressure on them because you know what he's leveled.
Speaker 1: Um Instead of thinking I was just two potter, and uh,
Speaker 1: that's how dangerous he was and how I just felt
Speaker 1: like the CBS Golf Classic, I had the guns and
Speaker 1: navone on my side with with Dave, I said, now
Speaker 1: you know why I picked in. Well, that wasn't the reason,
Speaker 1: but that was my final thing, and everybody was talked about.
Speaker 1: Those matches were a good practice for the Writer Cup
Speaker 1: because David and I played sixty nine, seventy and seventy
Speaker 1: one on the CBS Golf Classic. I know those who
Speaker 1: weren't the Ryder Cup, he said, seventy seventy one was
Speaker 1: his first. Yeah, okay, yeah, all right, Jake, what's your
Speaker 1: favorite story about your grandfather? Favorite story and the one
Speaker 1: you've either heard him tell or heard about him or
Speaker 1: just sort of like being immersed and what I mean,
Speaker 1: you've probably heard a million of these stories. What's the
Speaker 1: one where you're gonna tell your kids? And definitely the
Speaker 1: Ryder Cups. The Ryder Cup stories wanted like by far
Speaker 1: my favorite. But it's I love sometimes Golf Channel like
Speaker 1: they'll like have like a rewatch of old tournaments and
Speaker 1: Grandpa will be playing in it. And it's literally my
Speaker 1: favorite thing in the world to watch you sit down
Speaker 1: and here like hold on, I just I just don't know,
Speaker 1: and just watch it because if you can hear the
Speaker 1: old announcers, you look at the old swing, you see
Speaker 1: all like the old fashion and then just it's incredible
Speaker 1: to watch. Is it surreal that HiT's your grandfather? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I like looking at him, like when he's way younger,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, this is so cool and you
Speaker 1: know enough to know, like for him to say, oh,
Speaker 1: I was paired with Jack Nicholas in one writer like
Speaker 1: does that still it's insane? It's pretty nice. And when
Speaker 1: you think of him as a as a Ryder Cup competitor,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? Well, he was tough. I mean
Speaker 1: he was tough. Was names Dave stock and hated to
Speaker 1: lose the fact that he wanted what he did with
Speaker 1: the I mean, let's let's just let's face let's face facts.
Speaker 1: Dave Stockton wasn't the most talented person that ever played golf.
Speaker 1: Uh we almost laughed sometimes with the ball striking in
Speaker 1: the way that he could hardly ever stay on balance
Speaker 1: swinging to the driver. He fell over a lot, kind
Speaker 1: of like Billy Andrei does today. So it's it's it
Speaker 1: was always something to see. But no one had a
Speaker 1: better short game. No one had more belief in themselves
Speaker 1: than Dave Stockton, didn't. I think that's why you accomplished
Speaker 1: so much. When I tell you that it's been fifty
Speaker 1: years since your first Ryder Cup and thirty years since
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup at Kiowa, what do you think the
Speaker 1: fifty years, thirty years? What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: It was only yesterday, not very far. I can I
Speaker 1: can remember. Oh yeah, I mean until you until you
Speaker 1: see the people, until you realize. I mean, I'll turn
Speaker 1: eight at the end of this year, and of course
Speaker 1: I didn't have much distance to lose, and thank god
Speaker 1: technology kind of keeps you up there kind of near
Speaker 1: where you used to. But yeah, it's it's it's been
Speaker 1: a great life because what what is Kathy? And I
Speaker 1: mean I was pretty law at SC for one semester
Speaker 1: and then said to hell with that. I was in
Speaker 1: no way I was gonna make seven years. Uh, not
Speaker 1: planning to be a pro golfer or anything, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: But gradually USC became a good player. I mean I'd
Speaker 1: come home on the weekend's work with my dad and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a big city person, and uh
Speaker 1: I only had one instructor. I didn't you know. I
Speaker 1: was always taught. You know, this is like my work
Speaker 1: ethic that I got from my dad. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: out work here, and I'm gonna out thank you. I
Speaker 1: like my odds, you know. So it's it's been. It's
Speaker 1: been an unbelievable right, And I gotta tell you since
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, I always taught on tour. I mean
Speaker 1: even when I'm playing with people. If I like, if
Speaker 1: they were friends of mine, if Wi Scott had said
Speaker 1: anything to me at all, I would have helped him
Speaker 1: on tour because I'm watching it's going you know. You know,
Speaker 1: especially this finger here, I told him, you see my
Speaker 1: finger turn white. That's exactly what he did every time
Speaker 1: he grabbed a golf club. And I'm laughing. There's no
Speaker 1: way he has. They feel his tension, his tension, and
Speaker 1: so consequently it's just I get the feeling that that
Speaker 1: the teaching that we did, I mean we had upwards
Speaker 1: of well we went over two wins in a hurry.
Speaker 1: We had fourteen people at one time on the tour
Speaker 1: we work with and LPJ LPGA players all three of us,
Speaker 1: and it just it's been, it's been, that's been really enjoyable.
Speaker 1: That's you know, the whole thing from playing, you know, captain, coaching,
Speaker 1: all of it. Beautiful life. Yeah, the best, the best.
Speaker 1: The best has been the teaching because when you play,
Speaker 1: you have to be selfish, you know, you have to.
Speaker 1: But I've I've enjoyed the teaching ass and that's why
Speaker 1: I always did the corporate outings. Hell, I did American
Speaker 1: Airlines for forty years of the corporate outings. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I love that. I mean I did upwards of eighty
Speaker 1: days a year. I mean I get more money in
Speaker 1: two days than I could possibly one in the tournament.
Speaker 1: You know, you do that on Monday, Tuesday, go to
Speaker 1: the tournament play. You know. He said, you built your
Speaker 1: schedule around the corporate outing. Absolutely. The bills, they absolutely,
Speaker 1: But he enjoyed doing, enjoys helping people. Well, I've noticed
Speaker 1: this about you, which is I'm it's now just so cool,
Speaker 1: but you can't help but teach. I know you can't
Speaker 1: help teach. Since day one. That way, I was a
Speaker 1: little kid in Westlake. We'd be at the range hitting balls,
Speaker 1: and he'd be something. He'd see someone floundering away, and
Speaker 1: he walked over and he's this is seventies. He's winning
Speaker 1: tournaments on tour and everybody in Westlake I knew who
Speaker 1: he was. And then he walked over to go mind
Speaker 1: if I say some t and they'd look at him
Speaker 1: like deer and headlights like sure, you know, and help
Speaker 1: them with their games. And then he'd go back over
Speaker 1: and I would watch this as a little kid, only
Speaker 1: that's so cool. He just wants to give back. He's
Speaker 1: always done that. So the notion that we started teaching
Speaker 1: in oh nine and created Stockton Golf and everything else, No,
Speaker 1: he's been teaching since well. I mean it was just
Speaker 1: like one of the big ones was Anka around two
Speaker 1: thousand or shortly thereafter. I mean we were an Olympic
Speaker 1: club doing that INGI together, and she asked me to
Speaker 1: take a look at her, and she had she had
Speaker 1: won once in a year and a half, and we
Speaker 1: worked and we you know, she was unique, and she
Speaker 1: won seventeen times next year and a half. And she
Speaker 1: still puts that way today. She puts that way today.
Speaker 1: Think you helped her? Yeah, I think so too, And
Speaker 1: then that makes you feel really good, and that's like
Speaker 1: we're Rory, and I know, you know, most of the
Speaker 1: stuff with the Rory that I did was mental, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, Michelson is different. We both work
Speaker 1: with Michelson and he's different to help because he's going
Speaker 1: to figure and I like how he did it, because
Speaker 1: he'd work it around. We'd see him the second day.
Speaker 1: You know, he had already figured out that what we
Speaker 1: told him the day before, and he figured out that
Speaker 1: he was the one that thought of it. Yeah, as
Speaker 1: long as he bought him, that's fine. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: any difference. Shocker. Okay, back to Ryder Cup talk. Here's
Speaker 1: Cathy again on her memory of the V one Ryder Cup. Gosh,
Speaker 1: that was our first one in St. Louis. Um, it
Speaker 1: was very small back then, but a thrill to be
Speaker 1: on it and not quite the hoop law that it
Speaker 1: is today thanks to Dave. But we um, it was
Speaker 1: gratifying that he actually made, you know, his first Ryder
Speaker 1: Cup team so um, and that we that we won.
Speaker 1: So it was it was good. It was a good,
Speaker 1: good thing. We'll get to the thanks to Dave portion
Speaker 1: of that clip a little later. She's referencing the cup,
Speaker 1: but in seventy one. The captain was j Aber. His
Speaker 1: teammates included Billy Casper, Charles Cooty, Jean Littler, Lee Trevino,
Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicholas. My first time all worse
Speaker 1: than the seventy one. And I find out that night
Speaker 1: before I'm playing with Nicholas in Alvernet shot and I
Speaker 1: have never played a practice round with Their games are
Speaker 1: polar opposite, and I'm going, okay, And it took on
Speaker 1: about the fourth and fifth hold. Jack Turnomy says, is
Speaker 1: this all the farther you can hit it? And I'm
Speaker 1: going And I looked at me. I said, you're the
Speaker 1: best player in the world. This as far as I
Speaker 1: can hit it. If you can just hit it on
Speaker 1: the green, I'll make it. But you got you know,
Speaker 1: But it was not It was not a good bit
Speaker 1: fault of the captain in my mind, so we got this.
Speaker 1: The only Writer cup point I've lost it was being
Speaker 1: my first match with Nicholas. The only Ryder cup point
Speaker 1: you ever lost was being yeah because because in that
Speaker 1: But that's went into my strategy. What I did is
Speaker 1: that if you're doing all are in a shot, you
Speaker 1: darn well put people together and short short. I read,
Speaker 1: that's your if you break that pad, if you put
Speaker 1: along with a short, you're dead. You're dead. Fine with
Speaker 1: best ball, but all are in a shot. So they
Speaker 1: sat me on the You not only sat me Friday afternoon,
Speaker 1: Jay Bear, they sat me all day Saturday. I didn't
Speaker 1: show up to Sunday. I played the two single matches
Speaker 1: on Sunday with a tie and a win. But I
Speaker 1: was yeah, I played. I played Bernard Gallagher by the
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup captain who we tied, and I beat Townsend.
Speaker 1: But but the point point being is that you believe.
Speaker 1: But he put J. C. Snead with Nicholas. It was perfect.
Speaker 1: That is an absolute perfect pairing. Jack looks over. You
Speaker 1: have other fourth? Is this as far as you can
Speaker 1: hit it? Yeah? That's when I asked how that feel?
Speaker 1: It didn't feel good. I couldn't hit it farther. I's
Speaker 1: trying it as hard as I could hit. It just
Speaker 1: doesn't happen to go anywhere. There were two singles sessions
Speaker 1: in the Ryder Cup until nineteen seventy nine. Stockton went
Speaker 1: one one in one in seventy one, earning his team
Speaker 1: a point and a half. Here's more from Landy Watkins. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean he's just the ultimate competitor. He wants to win,
Speaker 1: and I mean, you know how much I want to win.
Speaker 1: I hate losing. I I you know, I really enjoy
Speaker 1: winning more than anything else. To me. That's what it's
Speaker 1: always been about with golf. Dave's the same way. I
Speaker 1: think we're at the same mold a little bit. I
Speaker 1: wish I'd had a short game, good God, but he is, uh,
Speaker 1: just a great competitor, very caring um really was into
Speaker 1: the whole thing with Ryder Cup matches. We played on
Speaker 1: a team together in seventy seven and I remember he
Speaker 1: and Jerry McGee taking down a pretty formidable group the
Speaker 1: first day, and it was impressive they were. And the
Speaker 1: funny thing is I played in seventy seven with the
Speaker 1: guy that that Dave put me with. In ninety one,
Speaker 1: I played my my first match at seventy seven with
Speaker 1: Halo Irwin, and then Dave put Halen I together in
Speaker 1: alternate shot both rounds and halen I one. Actually we've
Speaker 1: won all three together before we get to ninety one.
Speaker 1: Let's hear from Senior on n seventy seven where he
Speaker 1: went to and oh, I think golf's like a chess match,
Speaker 1: and I just it was interesting. It's like you mentioned
Speaker 1: driving over here. One of the one of my most
Speaker 1: fun things was playing at Live Them in St Anne's
Speaker 1: for Finster Walton when I was playing terrible, totally different
Speaker 1: and I got paired with McGee, Jerry McGee, and and
Speaker 1: it was probably one of the highlights of my life
Speaker 1: because here I am the senior member of our twosomes. So, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna play. I don't remember what ball. I may
Speaker 1: have been playing Hogan or Tylus whatever, but then McGee,
Speaker 1: being the junior member of this alderness shot, Okay, we
Speaker 1: hit the ball similar distance. He's a little bit longer
Speaker 1: than me, but similar, but he had to use my
Speaker 1: ball and we start out and literally the first fairway
Speaker 1: I hit was eighteen, I mean, and we're wearing polyester
Speaker 1: pants which were really in style and seventy seven. And
Speaker 1: he looks like he's been in the middle and referee
Speaker 1: to cat fight because from the knees down they had
Speaker 1: white roses, low white roses, live them in st ants.
Speaker 1: He had strings out his pants this long. I mean,
Speaker 1: he just platt trying to find my ball, and I'm
Speaker 1: not going out there. His pants are perfect. My pants
Speaker 1: are perfect cause Jerry never his pants are ruined. You're
Speaker 1: perfectly clear because he never missed a fairway. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go out there and coach him how
Speaker 1: to hit out of the rose bushes. And we're two
Speaker 1: down with we're the leading group out in the matches
Speaker 1: on on on Friday, and we're two down going into sixteen.
Speaker 1: And I had a brilliant drive that I'm in the
Speaker 1: short short intermediate. I'm not my five feet off the
Speaker 1: Barrewyers first time I've seen him, and I said, just
Speaker 1: get it on the green, jare, I'll make it, and
Speaker 1: he knocks it. I don't know thirty five ft and
Speaker 1: I hold it and so we win. We're one down
Speaker 1: with two to go, and we're playing hug It and
Speaker 1: Dawson and eighteen seventeen eighteen have bunkers s and right
Speaker 1: in the middle of the fairway and McKee hits it
Speaker 1: right in the middle of a fairway bunker and their
Speaker 1: thirty yards passes. I've got to lay up out of
Speaker 1: the bunker shorter where their ball is number one day,
Speaker 1: So I get it out behind him. I said, get
Speaker 1: it on the green. Now, Jared, no problem, We're still
Speaker 1: all right. Just get it on there. I'll make it.
Speaker 1: So he puts it. He puts it and rolls through
Speaker 1: the green, rolls about fifty ft in the back back portion.
Speaker 1: They were on twenty five ft. I hold it from
Speaker 1: fifty and they and they and they three put it.
Speaker 1: They three pot it. Now we're even go on to
Speaker 1: eight team my drive, so I don't do this day.
Speaker 1: Member which side of the faraway? I missed the bunker?
Speaker 1: I missed, but I figured, what the hell, I'm dead straight?
Speaker 1: Is dad and gone there all day? So it's not
Speaker 1: going there? And he either went left or right, and
Speaker 1: I was perfect. They never finished the whole. They got
Speaker 1: one of the bunk, they gotten the bunker, and they
Speaker 1: never finished the whole. That's what you talk about momentum, right,
Speaker 1: And he was sucks that. He looks a little bad.
Speaker 1: It looks like he had fringe. If you took a
Speaker 1: portrait of just you guys knees down with you know,
Speaker 1: the four legs, and you see his pants all torn
Speaker 1: to shreds and years perfect, that is the perfect, you know,
Speaker 1: portrait of alternate shot. You don't see that at this point,
Speaker 1: I asked Junior for his favorite memory of his dad's career.
Speaker 1: There's so many, but I would say the one that
Speaker 1: I was, the one I'm most proud of is him
Speaker 1: captain in the Ryder Cup in ninety one at Kiowa.
Speaker 1: And you know, we hadn't one in a few matths,
Speaker 1: six years, six years, we hadn't one. And there were
Speaker 1: so many variables, so many changes in that Rider Cup
Speaker 1: at ninety one. People don't realize the ninety one Ryder
Speaker 1: Cup was supposed to be played at the stadium course
Speaker 1: at PGA West and nobody knows that. You asked people
Speaker 1: that go, I don't know your backyard. That's what I
Speaker 1: thought I had it. So when they named Kiwa, it's
Speaker 1: like whoa okay, and it's not even Bill yet. There
Speaker 1: was a question if it was gonna be ready for
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup. Well, he handled the guys when he
Speaker 1: he made the two picks he got to pick. He
Speaker 1: had the ten guys that made the team. He had
Speaker 1: four choices that he said pick him one to four,
Speaker 1: who do you want? Because he wanted the total team
Speaker 1: unit to have everybody on that team to play together
Speaker 1: and be won one unit, because that's what the Europeans
Speaker 1: do so well. So it was chip Beck and Raymond
Speaker 1: Floyd where the two picks. Raymond was there to take
Speaker 1: care of Freddie because Freddie was so young. He didn't
Speaker 1: realize how good he was, is what Dad said. And
Speaker 1: and then chip Beck was there to for obvious reasons.
Speaker 1: He's he was one playing great. Then he's so positive.
Speaker 1: The guy never says anything negative. He's great to have around.
Speaker 1: I asked Cathy for memories of her role as a
Speaker 1: captain's wife. But it was exciting. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: just craziness and and uh, I've never seen Dave lost
Speaker 1: a lot of weight through the whole thing. You know,
Speaker 1: we started two years ahead of time planning the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and we didn't get the money that uh they have
Speaker 1: now for things to wear. It was pretty much cut.
Speaker 1: Wives really never got anything. So the p g A
Speaker 1: officials wives called me and said, we want to do
Speaker 1: something fun. So we picked out T shirts with us
Speaker 1: a sequence across it, and I had sweaters that looked
Speaker 1: like the flag. I mean we really had fun with it.
Speaker 1: And um so anyway, that was the start of finally
Speaker 1: getting you outfits for the wives and uh to kind
Speaker 1: of be as a team as well with their husbands.
Speaker 1: I asked Lanny Watkins for more on Senior as a captain,
Speaker 1: great captain, really a delight to play for. He and
Speaker 1: Cathy were fantastic. They left no stone unturned. Uh. He
Speaker 1: was trying to get everybody in the mix. I was
Speaker 1: fortunately played all five matches for him at Kilwa and
Speaker 1: played well. He made a couple of little uh snaff
Speaker 1: who's here and there that, But overall I think he
Speaker 1: was an outstanding captain, did a wonderful job. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think we really enjoyed the celebration.
Speaker 1: So I could say Watkins went three one in one
Speaker 1: in winning his singles match on Sunday three and two
Speaker 1: over Mark James. Meanwhile, Junior was busy playing the role
Speaker 1: as assistant captain. You're not You weren't much older than
Speaker 1: Jake at that time. Two. I had just turned pro
Speaker 1: six months earlier. And you know, Dad had the guys
Speaker 1: come in the week prior to the Ryder Cup because
Speaker 1: he wanted them to play the course a few rounds,
Speaker 1: because you could play that course six eight times and
Speaker 1: see a different wind each time, different conditions, and and
Speaker 1: the Europeans really didn't come over and play it. They
Speaker 1: never played a practice until the week of and so
Speaker 1: that my dad had the guys come over and said,
Speaker 1: come over and play a few days and you can
Speaker 1: go home for the weekend to come back on Monday.
Speaker 1: And they came out and we were there and Dad goes, Junior,
Speaker 1: go out and play with them. I'm like, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been pro six months and here I am playing with
Speaker 1: these guys. And Zinger was my partner. And you know,
Speaker 1: the pain and Paul were two pranksters. They we were
Speaker 1: all in carts and if you weren't careful, Pain or
Speaker 1: Paul would go and unhook the strap on the cart.
Speaker 1: So when you drove off your bag. And these guys
Speaker 1: are at the time around twenty years old, twenty nine,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, these guys are the best players and
Speaker 1: they're just kids. They're just out here messing around having
Speaker 1: think about the idea that you were an assistant. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine now, like if if the ryder kept gaping,
Speaker 1: would they of his son's assistant captains? And as twenty two,
Speaker 1: they would be like people would be apoplectic and feel
Speaker 1: like what the hell is going on? But at this
Speaker 1: different time, I spoke to John Wardrop, another goat Hill
Speaker 1: Park loyalist and legend who goes way back with the Stocktons.
Speaker 1: He was actually at USC was my roommate when he
Speaker 1: was the captain. So all the guys on the golf
Speaker 1: team we sat around and watched watched him being captain.
Speaker 1: We're dying laughing. But what is he doing there? What
Speaker 1: does he do? Whether he pulled it off? Man, I
Speaker 1: think I think his like total like upbeat attitude that
Speaker 1: Junior is. I mean, if you look at him, he's
Speaker 1: always got a spot smile on his face, the most
Speaker 1: positive guy in the room, you know, never down talks
Speaker 1: poorly about anybody. I think that his energy probably had
Speaker 1: an influence on those guys, you know, just smiling and
Speaker 1: being around him and being kind. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: just his DNA. In Stockton Senior only had two captains picks.
Speaker 1: The other two there were in consideration to be in
Speaker 1: a to be one of our players was Watson and Kite.
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have the option the Daisinger
Speaker 1: had in two thousand and eight of having four picks,
Speaker 1: because I passed on Watson, Kite John Daily right when
Speaker 1: John Daily wanted Crooked stick that year. The favorites that
Speaker 1: everybody wanted me to pick, because the picks would have
Speaker 1: been would have been Daily and Nicholas you passed on daily,
Speaker 1: Nicholas Watson and Kite wasn't. Curtis Strange was another one
Speaker 1: that was just because back he was hopings and I
Speaker 1: told him, I told no, I told him before. I said, Jesus,
Speaker 1: well the key the key was. And I told Curtis
Speaker 1: he had a spot. And then starting about in June,
Speaker 1: he and I were started talking. I said, I I'm
Speaker 1: an honor that I told you to have a spot.
Speaker 1: He says, I'm given a lot of thought. I don't
Speaker 1: want to take it. He says, I'm not playing well enough.
Speaker 1: And this this was was It was huge because four
Speaker 1: years after mine LANDI picked him because they were in
Speaker 1: New York and it o Kills where where he won
Speaker 1: and at the second time and he that's basically I
Speaker 1: think the reason one of the reason they didn't get
Speaker 1: it done because there was there were there were four
Speaker 1: of us that talked all the time, Lannie, Pain and Haisinger.
Speaker 1: Whenever we were around each other, we talked about the
Speaker 1: Ryder Cups, How would we make it better? What would
Speaker 1: we do In my real aspect, I got Deborah Graham
Speaker 1: uh Rab Aisinger used Ron Braun as his psychologist, that
Speaker 1: he profiled his players because and and Aisinger understood it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you talked to Bubba Watson one voice, but
Speaker 1: you'd also talked to Tiger Woods in another voice. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're gonna you can't use the same philosophy. Just okay,
Speaker 1: this is go get them guys or what are different?
Speaker 1: People are motivated different ways. So we understood our players
Speaker 1: really good. And my job was to get people to
Speaker 1: fit together. And so what I tried to do earlier
Speaker 1: in the year, which I still think it is one
Speaker 1: of the most brilliant moves, is I went to the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour and we'd have Tuesday shootouts. You're right here
Speaker 1: in San Diego. I kicked, I took. They let me
Speaker 1: take control of the Tuesday shootouts. So one Tuesday, I
Speaker 1: do all earn a shot next Tuesday. At next Tuesday,
Speaker 1: i'd I'd do best ball. So I right here at
Speaker 1: Torrey Pines. I mean I had I had Landy playing
Speaker 1: I think with Payne one day and I had I
Speaker 1: had uh well, my two bruins, Chip Beck and corp
Speaker 1: In Uhn in Peyton Paven getting them to play together
Speaker 1: so they knew. I did not want to have the
Speaker 1: scenario of coming to the Ryder Cup and not knowing
Speaker 1: who they were going to play with chemistry. I want
Speaker 1: a chemistry, so I want one of my picks. The
Speaker 1: two of the there were basically out of the ten
Speaker 1: guys on the team, six or the guys that I
Speaker 1: was leaning on. And I told him, I said, Raymond's
Speaker 1: got the first pick I because I want him to
Speaker 1: go with couples, because that's a two sting. I can
Speaker 1: play either way. And I had I had, I had
Speaker 1: my bruins. Okay, I have Landi and Hale, I've got Pain,
Speaker 1: I've got all these guys, Calcavecchia, I had a heck
Speaker 1: of a strong team. And so so the the obvious
Speaker 1: one in the end was putting Chip Chip with Aisinger.
Speaker 1: But what I didn't realize is when when Chip was picked,
Speaker 1: that's somewhere somebody got to slipped a note in to
Speaker 1: God or something that Balstros is part of this equation
Speaker 1: because freaking every match Balstos got against Asinger. More from
Speaker 1: Landy Watkins, the pod System, the chemistry. You know, Aisinger
Speaker 1: gets a lot of credit for that, But but isn't
Speaker 1: Dave part of all that too. We always did that,
Speaker 1: you know, aising or just you know, went out and
Speaker 1: put it on social media like hey we got something
Speaker 1: brand new. That's that was nothing brand new. We did
Speaker 1: that from the first Rider couple in seventy seven. Just
Speaker 1: because he called it a pot system doesn't mean we
Speaker 1: didn't have guys that we knew who were going to
Speaker 1: play with. I mean, you know, Paul is always great
Speaker 1: at pat himself on the back, but uh, you know
Speaker 1: it was we We always did that. That's what we
Speaker 1: were successful early on in seventy seven, seventy nine, eight three.
Speaker 1: I mean, we knew what we were doing and where
Speaker 1: we were going. What no one knew was that on
Speaker 1: Wednesday night, en route tweet party in Charleston and in
Speaker 1: bad weather, Steve Peate would be injured in a car accident.
Speaker 1: He and Shannon Paven, Corey Paven's wife, were both taken
Speaker 1: to the hospital. Paven was released immediately with an elbow injury.
Speaker 1: Pete received treatment for his ribs. He was out of
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup. The thing people don't know too, is
Speaker 1: we had. He had Paven and Pete, we're going to
Speaker 1: be playing together every match. And the day that Pete
Speaker 1: got hurt, he shot sixties six or seven sixties. No
Speaker 1: he didn't, he didn't. Maybe see I don't think he
Speaker 1: had a round over six. He didn't have. He didn't have.
Speaker 1: He was lower than everybody by four or five shots.
Speaker 1: He playing better than everyone, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he's gone, yeah, I got hitting the limo wreck. So
Speaker 1: Pete would go into the envelope, which is to say
Speaker 1: he wouldn't play. And whoever he was paired against in
Speaker 1: Sunday's singles, they both earned their teams a half a point.
Speaker 1: But that wasn't all that Senior was dealing with that week.
Speaker 1: Ok let's say there's no limo wreck, we're driving the
Speaker 1: rain a lim wills get there. Okay, you go into
Speaker 1: this auditorium and if everything in a cool world that
Speaker 1: had been fine, we got there, as we lived it,
Speaker 1: we couldn't figure out where our guys were. We couldn't
Speaker 1: figure out why certain guys were missing. But the show
Speaker 1: went on, and eventually they talked about the cell phones, right,
Speaker 1: so they talked about the year. They talked about the
Speaker 1: European team, and they give them five minutes. Their team,
Speaker 1: great team. Now we have the American team. We give
Speaker 1: the American team twenty minutes. It's just and I'm going,
Speaker 1: I've worked so hard to have no material on the
Speaker 1: bulletin ard, you know, And and it had just fired
Speaker 1: him right up, and I'm going, I don't need this.
Speaker 1: And then they and then they came out with the
Speaker 1: clever tagline, the War by the Shore. Perfect. Now I
Speaker 1: have contributed to that because I've got the camouflage hats
Speaker 1: because i like to hunt. That's for hunting. That's for hunting.
Speaker 1: It wasn't wasn't fring to take anybody off for, you know,
Speaker 1: but that was the only small things they could tell it.
Speaker 1: They already got enough going on, and now you got
Speaker 1: all this other But he put together the barbecue with
Speaker 1: just the players and their families. That was at no
Speaker 1: PJ officials, nobody. And in the end they were amazing, right,
Speaker 1: the whole sportsmanship of them. And riding the bus we
Speaker 1: got there, yeah with Paven, Paven being carried on the
Speaker 1: bus by Woosman because he's so small, I'll just carry
Speaker 1: him on. Yeah, he said, we only need one seat,
Speaker 1: two of us, I'll do. You just chuck him on
Speaker 1: the bus, you know. And we started out by that
Speaker 1: Tuesday night because nothing else was going on by I
Speaker 1: said to burn our longer I burned Gallagher. I said,
Speaker 1: you know, would you like to have dinner tonight just
Speaker 1: our team and your team? Provided you don't bring any
Speaker 1: of your PGA officers or officials, because I'm not inviting
Speaker 1: any of ours. You'll just be us short spear, whatever
Speaker 1: you guys want, and we can get together as families.
Speaker 1: You can bring your family, that's fine. I don't want
Speaker 1: any officials though, And that's what we did the Tuesdays ship,
Speaker 1: and it was that's how we started, you know. And
Speaker 1: then next thing I know, we're at the war by
Speaker 1: the shore and you know, and you're down at best player.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, playing the best of anybody on the team,
Speaker 1: and yeah so but but it was it was unbello.
Speaker 1: But it changed a lot of stuff. It's true times
Speaker 1: were changing and the rivalry was brewing. There seemed to
Speaker 1: be Shenanigan's coming from both sides. This is a quick
Speaker 1: clip in which Paul Broadhurst of Team Europe shares some
Speaker 1: of his reflections with coughing World you'll hear Sevy by
Speaker 1: Osterios and Jose Amir accusing Paul Azinger and Chip Beck
Speaker 1: of changing balls mid round. Yeah, I was a Kira
Speaker 1: Island the war on the shore where you know, one
Speaker 1: or two things happened that perhaps shouldn't have happened beyond
Speaker 1: the scenes, radio stations ringing us at five in the
Speaker 1: morning to wake us up, and you know all manner
Speaker 1: of different things that went on. Balls appearing back on
Speaker 1: the fairways, compression, I don't think so. What I know
Speaker 1: that cheap hit a kind of competition or a number
Speaker 1: of seven that I'm sure and then I'm sure about that. No,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I agree with you that maybe
Speaker 1: they were in the rough for you know, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they appeared on the fairway and just things
Speaker 1: that niggled the players a little bit. But you know,
Speaker 1: our team was was made up for five or six
Speaker 1: superstars of European golf at the time, Lie woos Langer,
Speaker 1: Nick Fowler, Sevy A Lazabel. In the first two sessions
Speaker 1: on Friday by a Stereos and Olathalbo beat Aisinger and
Speaker 1: back two and one. The Spaniards were unstoppable of all
Speaker 1: the pairings, and I don't know how it happened three times,
Speaker 1: and finally finally the fourth time, finally Floyd and Couples
Speaker 1: got him got and I told Raymond, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: Balastarios had a terrible cough with with aisinger. You know
Speaker 1: you might want to mention it to him. And he
Speaker 1: looked at me, says, yeah, I'll handle that. And you
Speaker 1: walked right on the first team. I hear you've been
Speaker 1: coughing a lot of hope. Are you feeling all right?
Speaker 1: You gotta taking anything for that? He didn't cough once.
Speaker 1: You see, I'll give you a reason to cough if
Speaker 1: I hear that cough something like that. I don't know
Speaker 1: what they said, but they got it handled. Going into
Speaker 1: Sunday singles, the score was eight to eight. Now more
Speaker 1: from the Shore as Junior recalls the final day with
Speaker 1: everything they went down, with Steve pay getting hurt in
Speaker 1: the limo accident, everything else. Um, he put two years
Speaker 1: of his heart and soul into it. And then it
Speaker 1: came down to uh the last match with Irwin and
Speaker 1: Longer and a seven team. We thought they were that
Speaker 1: Irwin who's going to close it out and win And
Speaker 1: then We're sitting on the edge of the green. I'm
Speaker 1: right next to him, and we're both everybody's watching and
Speaker 1: Dad's watching like this, and Irwin knocks is shot by
Speaker 1: and mrs the putt coming back. So now they're tired
Speaker 1: going into the last hole. Here's a rip of voices
Speaker 1: from that Ryder Cup reflecting on what it meant and
Speaker 1: what it came down to. It's Chip Beck, Colin Montgomery,
Speaker 1: Mark Calcaveciat, Bernard Langer and Paul Broadhurst, anyone that was
Speaker 1: a big thrust for the American team and the Americans
Speaker 1: to try to get that cut back and pretty excited.
Speaker 1: Came down to one put having at to win on
Speaker 1: the last minute. You could you could times it bout
Speaker 1: ten and because you don't playing piece of this punt
Speaker 1: means a bunch to somebody else, and you're playing at
Speaker 1: the end. And that's why the precious center times, which
Speaker 1: was so hard to believe after three days of competition.
Speaker 1: It came down to the very last group on the
Speaker 1: very last cream with a man named and our lagger
Speaker 1: if he makes it europquess if he misses it, the
Speaker 1: United States WS. I wouldn't want anybody to have to
Speaker 1: have that partet. You know, I came down the last
Speaker 1: part from Bernhard and you know I get a good pot.
Speaker 1: He just didn't read it right. I made a good put,
Speaker 1: but it didn't go in, and uh, you know it
Speaker 1: was down from my theme and all I had to
Speaker 1: do is make a six foot put. It comes down
Speaker 1: to to that if somebody's putt goes in or somebody's
Speaker 1: put goes out, and that's a he missed a night
Speaker 1: foot put Dan Hill with two the three inches had
Speaker 1: left or right right. It means to put that everyone
Speaker 1: hates or for safe. But you know, if you didn't
Speaker 1: hold it, it it would have been a hatter, right. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: missed it and that one that was the whole week.
Speaker 1: And that's what these riding tops are. And that's why
Speaker 1: it's so it's such a fabulous comment. We get to
Speaker 1: eighteen and obviously, sitting there and it comes down to
Speaker 1: Bernard's putt, and I look at my dad sitting next
Speaker 1: to me, and his his he's like this, he's got
Speaker 1: his eyes closed and his head down. He's not watching.
Speaker 1: And I looked at him and I went, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't watch. And I think and I just said
Speaker 1: a little prayer. I said, Lord, my dad's put two
Speaker 1: years of his life into this and worked so hard.
Speaker 1: Nothing against Bernard Longer, but really like to see Dad
Speaker 1: get this w in the USA win and you know,
Speaker 1: and Longer hit up. He'll tell you today he had
Speaker 1: a great putt. I thought he made it, you know,
Speaker 1: and it didn't go in and I jump up and
Speaker 1: Dad looks up at me, and I yanked him up.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't pull his shoulder arms out of
Speaker 1: his sockets. But you know, that was what he put
Speaker 1: into that, and being a part of that, and bringing
Speaker 1: the cup home and me being an assistant captain and
Speaker 1: my brother Ron being an assistant. He was a family affair,
Speaker 1: and uh I should have kept notes, but I remember
Speaker 1: everything like it was yesterday still today, and the stories
Speaker 1: with the players, um and everything that he did that week.
Speaker 1: That's my my proudest and memory of what he did.
Speaker 1: One more from Haul Broadhurst who went to and oah
Speaker 1: Kiwa and beat Marco Mera three and one in singles.
Speaker 1: It was pretty big back then, so I thought. But
Speaker 1: I mean now you stand on there, and I mean
Speaker 1: the galleries that go to watch now is incredible. I
Speaker 1: mean there was a lot of nerves when I first played.
Speaker 1: To think what it's like for the players nowadays with
Speaker 1: the grand standards. I mean, it's like it's like the
Speaker 1: British Open on the first team or even bigger. Perhaps
Speaker 1: it's a massive, massive event. It is the pinnacle of
Speaker 1: your golf career playing the ridical. And again, Lanny Watkins,
Speaker 1: who's comparing Arriss? How would you like to take today's
Speaker 1: team and let's go back to our primes and let's
Speaker 1: put me in and even in Stockton and a singer
Speaker 1: and Raymond Floyd and Tom Watson and Hailo and Larry
Speaker 1: Nelson and put us up against these guys. So do
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna win? Well? Yeah, But the big
Speaker 1: difference is you guys used to play like the Euros
Speaker 1: play today, which is the flag meant more than the
Speaker 1: name on the back of the jersey. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like you were able to put all
Speaker 1: that aside and it was about winning, and no question,
Speaker 1: I mean, it galls me to death when I see
Speaker 1: guys worried about who they're gonna play with. I played
Speaker 1: eight Rouder Cups. I never one time asked the captain
Speaker 1: to play with anybody, And I played five matches a lot.
Speaker 1: I played with a whole bunch of wide range of players,
Speaker 1: going from Statler and Wayne Levy to Hail Irwin and
Speaker 1: Payne Stewart, you know, Marco Mira all the way down.
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, Larry Nelson, I want all four matches together.
Speaker 1: One year it was about you know, what can I
Speaker 1: do to help the captain and the Unfortunately don't take
Speaker 1: that approach today asked for senior. He has a positive
Speaker 1: outlook on this week, Stricker is gonna undo an unbelievable
Speaker 1: job because Stricker knows he's come up in this President's
Speaker 1: Cup Ryder Cup thing and they've they're they've got this
Speaker 1: group of guys together. Yeah, but come on, are you
Speaker 1: telling me you'd want to go into trying to manage
Speaker 1: this this team with Brooks and Bryson and all the
Speaker 1: bullshittery of this. But you've always had that, It's always
Speaker 1: been there. Sun found out real fast how much it
Speaker 1: was there with Michelson and Woods. I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: that was unbelievable. I mean, he's got the two best
Speaker 1: players and now he puts them together to win one
Speaker 1: point if he separates him and puts him with Joe Schmo.
Speaker 1: Either one of them they can win two points, but
Speaker 1: oh no, so that he's perfectly satisfied to him lose
Speaker 1: a point. In other words, you know, like it would
Speaker 1: be almost like putting Bryson and Brooks together and saying, okay,
Speaker 1: go play. I mean, can you imagine doing that, have
Speaker 1: them play where they're playing their own ball, and and
Speaker 1: they're trying to beat each other and they probably go
Speaker 1: out and play well. But not only did he do
Speaker 1: it once, he did it twice. He was like, my
Speaker 1: dad was the one that went to you went to
Speaker 1: Jackie Burke, didn't you can go what to b I
Speaker 1: flipped out because in that one I went to him.
Speaker 1: And I talked to Chris Riley before because I'd watched
Speaker 1: Chris Riley tie is match on Thursday on Friday on Friday,
Speaker 1: sorry player by the way, yeah, but just a really
Speaker 1: need kid first. He's the reason that he and I
Speaker 1: talked to him. I said, you know, why don't you
Speaker 1: consider separating the two? You know, why don't you separate
Speaker 1: the two and put because what I would love to do.
Speaker 1: I would love to see you put like Chris Riley
Speaker 1: with Tiger and he looked at me and he said why.
Speaker 1: I said, because he's enthusiastic and he really wants to play,
Speaker 1: and he keeps Tiger loose. It's so I went to
Speaker 1: and I said, don't be shocked if they asked you
Speaker 1: to play with Tiger. Tom All. Here's Chris Riley, who's
Speaker 1: now the head coach of the men's golf team at
Speaker 1: the University of San Diego. Riley reflects on the role
Speaker 1: Senior played on that two thousand four team. I mean,
Speaker 1: for me personally, he was a tremendous help. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was obviously a rookie in two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: It was a veteran squad and he was there and
Speaker 1: and you know, I was kind of a um, a
Speaker 1: deer in headlights, so to speak, and didn't really know
Speaker 1: what to expect. And there was Dave Stockton Senior, who
Speaker 1: I knew was the ninety one captain at Kiowa, and
Speaker 1: he kind of took me under his wing, which was
Speaker 1: really cool. He just told me to relax, enjoy it,
Speaker 1: and uh, use the best club in my putt in
Speaker 1: my bag, which was my putter. So um, you know,
Speaker 1: I just remember sitting there when Tiger and Phil went
Speaker 1: out for the first match, and me and Senior were
Speaker 1: just sitting there watching it in the in the team
Speaker 1: room area at at Oakland Hills, and and he was
Speaker 1: just a just a great, great person to talk to
Speaker 1: and just kind of put me at ease at you know,
Speaker 1: probably the biggest golf tournament in the world. Micholson and
Speaker 1: Woods infamously lost the morning round to Monty and Harrington
Speaker 1: two and one. They lost the afternoon to Darren Clark
Speaker 1: and Lee Westwood one up. Here's more from Senior on
Speaker 1: the potential pairing of Chris Riley with Tiger Woods. What
Speaker 1: did he say? What? His eyes got bigger in hell?
Speaker 1: And so he said to me, he said, you know,
Speaker 1: he said, if you do? And I said, if you do,
Speaker 1: I got something I want you to you know, I
Speaker 1: wanted certain things I want you to do. He's just
Speaker 1: what's that? He says, Well, let's wait till you get it.
Speaker 1: So he got and he calls me. So I said, okay,
Speaker 1: now you guys are playing best ball. He's gonna'll drive
Speaker 1: you by a hundred miles. I said, I want you
Speaker 1: to name at the middle of every single green because
Speaker 1: remember yesterday when you guys tied and you got up
Speaker 1: on seventeen. You remember the shot you hit and it
Speaker 1: was a part three. I hadn't talked to him about it.
Speaker 1: He's the first one up. Penn was on the right
Speaker 1: and he left it the right and the bunker. Now
Speaker 1: his partner's got to play safe because he just he
Speaker 1: doesn't he's not in play you know where, and doing that,
Speaker 1: the first guy's gotta get it on the green. So
Speaker 1: that guy could get it on the green or go
Speaker 1: for whatever he wants, you know, but you gotta have
Speaker 1: some thought at it. I said, okay, but now with Tiger,
Speaker 1: just put in the middle of green. But now don't
Speaker 1: walk off, don't keep in your own bubble what you
Speaker 1: normally would. I want you to go right by him
Speaker 1: and just say to him, Tiger, can you get inside that? Please?
Speaker 1: And Tiger, I guess, looked at him the first hole
Speaker 1: like he was from Mars Riley. Tell him, could you
Speaker 1: get inside? Get inside that? Come on, Tiger, you can
Speaker 1: do it. Tiger is the most competitive purses that I've
Speaker 1: ever met in my life. And you know he's he's right,
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Jordan has the same kind of fire.
Speaker 1: Um And yeah, Senior Dad, tell me he said, just
Speaker 1: put him the middle of green at the Tiger Fire
Speaker 1: at Flags and and sure enough we had a we
Speaker 1: had a great match. Um, like I said, we won
Speaker 1: four and three and and um you know there's not
Speaker 1: like winning a mat or on a point in the
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup or winning a match. And um yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean Senior gave me so much advice. Um I went one,
Speaker 1: one and one, and a lot of that was Senior
Speaker 1: helping me out on how to handle the Ryder Cup
Speaker 1: as we all know, right, and the Ryder Cup has
Speaker 1: one and lost with the putter. And he was one
Speaker 1: of the best partners of all times, so he knows
Speaker 1: what he's talking about when it comes to those kind
Speaker 1: of um. Writer comes. So before we get to further
Speaker 1: reflections and the Stockton's favorite fire pits, I want to
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Speaker 1: start with some reflections on the Stockton's, their family and legacy,
Speaker 1: with Lanny Watkins on the idea that Dave Senior and
Speaker 1: Cathy raised two professional golfers and top instructors. Well, I
Speaker 1: think just shows you know, great parents Dave and Cathy.
Speaker 1: You know word of their boys, I mean Ronny and
Speaker 1: and Dave Junior or Joe's outstanding people and uh, they've
Speaker 1: always been high quality people. They've got a lot of talent. Uh,
Speaker 1: delightful family to always be around, and in my mind,
Speaker 1: I think I think they were the first to raddick
Speaker 1: up assistance. David had them they're working that week. I
Speaker 1: took a page from that, had my brother there when
Speaker 1: I was captain ninety five, So, uh, it was really
Speaker 1: cool having both his boys. They're enjoy that experience with
Speaker 1: their dad. I thought, I wish mine had been old
Speaker 1: enough to do that, you know, but I think it's
Speaker 1: probably one of the best memories those boys will ever
Speaker 1: have of doing something, especially with their dad. And Kathy
Speaker 1: stalked in on her life captain and teammates. Well, it
Speaker 1: couldn't be more perfect, no, I I've enjoyed the life.
Speaker 1: Proud of Dave what he's accomplished, and I hope some
Speaker 1: day that he might be in the Hall of Fame. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's a big wish for all of us. And um,
Speaker 1: he's just uh, it's amazing how he can. He loves
Speaker 1: the people. He'll give lessons to people, whether they wanted,
Speaker 1: you know, ask for it, and he gives up his
Speaker 1: time and uh, he just I'm just so grateful that
Speaker 1: we've had the life we've had. I've loved walking the fairways.
Speaker 1: I'd rather be out there watching him than being home
Speaker 1: waiting for a phone call. With his career and accomplishments
Speaker 1: as a player, captain and coach, it seems crazy to
Speaker 1: me Dave Stockton Senior is not in the World Golf
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame Outstanding career. He's right on the He's
Speaker 1: right on the right on the cuff, no question. Uh
Speaker 1: you know that. It's uh, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: one thing that goes against Dave and hurts is the
Speaker 1: fact that he's not a classic looking player. You know,
Speaker 1: Dave did it as a grinder, is you know, he
Speaker 1: was uh in a tough I would put Hubert Green
Speaker 1: in the same mode as they've stocked in Hubert just
Speaker 1: one more times on tour if you will. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: both won two Majors, and you know, very impressive players
Speaker 1: and were in contention a lot, so U Dave wanted
Speaker 1: some great venues. He I know he wanted Riverera. I
Speaker 1: know he wanted Colonial, he wanted Southern Hills, he wanted Congressional.
Speaker 1: I mean to me, you start looking at the venues
Speaker 1: where Dave Stockton wanted, and that that's very, very impressive,
Speaker 1: both great putters. I asked Chris Riley if he felt
Speaker 1: like he in Stockton had similar styles and strategies when
Speaker 1: it came to playing the game. Get it on the
Speaker 1: green and the next one might go in. That's how
Speaker 1: I felt my career. I felt like, if I can
Speaker 1: just get it on the green, I felt like I
Speaker 1: can make it. I appreciate the compliment, Mad, but I
Speaker 1: think I think Senior was a lot better player than
Speaker 1: I was. I think you want a couple of majors,
Speaker 1: and my best was the third out of major. So
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think he's in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: He probably should be in the Hall of Fame. Um
Speaker 1: is it a two time major champion? Um, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I know he wanted made the p G A maybe twice,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But he is a Hall of famer
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and a Hall of Fame person. His
Speaker 1: son is even just as great. Um, he's been helping
Speaker 1: out my daughter or third game and there's nothing but
Speaker 1: love for this Docktin's owner here with Lan. I also
Speaker 1: spoke to Diane Stockton Jnr's wife and Jake's mom, who
Speaker 1: makes some of the best cookies I've ever had in
Speaker 1: my life. They are a really special family there. They're
Speaker 1: up there. I mean as far as just the legacy
Speaker 1: that Dave Sor will leave behind and and all the
Speaker 1: things that they've done, not just within the golf world,
Speaker 1: but outside the golf world. They love to give back.
Speaker 1: They love people, They love being with people, helping people, Um,
Speaker 1: sharing all the things that they know about the game
Speaker 1: of golf and they want to share it. They definitely
Speaker 1: have that, you know, innate sense of wanting to to
Speaker 1: help others and to give back for sure. John Wardrop
Speaker 1: on being Junior's roommate at USC and observing Senior over
Speaker 1: the years. His dad was the dad. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was a legend there. You know, all American just played
Speaker 1: the tour, won the p G a twice. I mean
Speaker 1: the guy, and the guy would come and visit with
Speaker 1: us and give us bunker lessons or putting lessons or
Speaker 1: wherever we needed off free equipment. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: just very generous with his time. And I know Junior
Speaker 1: just thinks the world of him. I mean, and and
Speaker 1: and on top of all of that, you know, with
Speaker 1: these kids that Nicholas and Stockton's, all these kids that
Speaker 1: come out of you know, being kids of parents who
Speaker 1: played at the highest level, it's such a an added
Speaker 1: pressure to try and make it out there very few days.
Speaker 1: So the senior go on to see Junior go on
Speaker 1: and play ten years on the tour is just freaking incredible. Really,
Speaker 1: I asked John Ashworth, who's the caretaker of god Hill Park,
Speaker 1: what do thinks when he sees three generations of the
Speaker 1: Stockton's all teeing it up at his mini municipal. First
Speaker 1: of all, I'm beaming ear to hear, I'm smiling, I
Speaker 1: feel warm and fuzzy. Uh. I love it. Uh. You
Speaker 1: know it has not that it's become old hat or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but Junior and his son Jake have
Speaker 1: been playing up there pretty steady for the last you know,
Speaker 1: four or five years really, uh so that I'm used
Speaker 1: to seeing them. And then of course Senior, you know,
Speaker 1: he's been out there a fair amount in the last
Speaker 1: year and a half anyway. So yeah, overall, I mean
Speaker 1: it's just you know, here's a living legend. Dave Stockton
Speaker 1: Senior arguably should be in the Hall of Fame, and
Speaker 1: some day will be, let's hope. So so back to
Speaker 1: the fire Pit offices, a few days away from the
Speaker 1: Herdsman and the day they'd all play in a practice
Speaker 1: round together again. That video is on fire Pit Collective
Speaker 1: dot com. Here Senior on his expectations going into the
Speaker 1: weekend and how Hill Captain, his grandson is this weekend
Speaker 1: about what what what's about to transpire? Where you're coming in,
Speaker 1: you're gonna all be there, and you're gonna be playing together,
Speaker 1: you know, and practice around. Is that the beauty of
Speaker 1: the game of golf? I think it is. But for me,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking of Jake probably ten years from now,
Speaker 1: not necessarily this weekend, because he's still in the learning stage.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna grind him pretty hard, whether we
Speaker 1: win or lose. It doesn't make any difference to me.
Speaker 1: He's gonna walk out with some ideas. It's going to
Speaker 1: help him down the road, you know, because I'm not
Speaker 1: satisfied having I'm glad that he's playing. I know he's
Speaker 1: got the physical ability, and but he's doing like the
Speaker 1: story with Junior from Milwaukee, with Junior telling me I
Speaker 1: hit the wrong shot on a hole, I made a
Speaker 1: two one. You know, that's kind of what I want
Speaker 1: him to waken up to realize. Is he's looking at it.
Speaker 1: I'm already trying to figure out. I know we ride cards.
Speaker 1: I'm always I'm already figuring out how much I'm gonna
Speaker 1: for him to walk because I want him, I want
Speaker 1: him to slow down. I want him to be That's
Speaker 1: going to be one of the things, Like the January story.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just got a lot to impart, but
Speaker 1: this is just a small stepping stone. Whether whether I
Speaker 1: get to do it again or not, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's you know, he's gonna walk away being impressed.
Speaker 1: That just what what we transpire between us over the
Speaker 1: three days. You've already made your point about the emotion
Speaker 1: around the idea that you're coming into this weekend, and
Speaker 1: and but isn't isn't that? Isn't that The fact that
Speaker 1: you guys can all go out and have this experience
Speaker 1: together the essence of golf. Absolutely, that's That's what, like
Speaker 1: you said alluded to earlier, what makes this sport so
Speaker 1: special is you can have generations go out and play
Speaker 1: a sport that you love and and have those memories
Speaker 1: and those those experiences together that you'll never forget, that
Speaker 1: you'll always have with you knowing that this is going
Speaker 1: to be happening between your dad and your son. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be off doing your thing and you might be,
Speaker 1: but that's happening regardless, which is so cool. I'll be
Speaker 1: the first one to ask how they did and curious
Speaker 1: and hopefully we all end up in the shootout at
Speaker 1: the end. That's that that would be That's my dream
Speaker 1: is you and ash and and my partner and I
Speaker 1: am I'm dad and Jake will be in the shootout.
Speaker 1: That would be fun. That would be fun. Jake, What's
Speaker 1: what is it is for you? I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're probably competitive guy, you want to do great, But
Speaker 1: is this for you at your age? The essence of
Speaker 1: this game is that your is this kind of when
Speaker 1: you think of golf, you think the idea that I
Speaker 1: get to go play with my dad and my grandpa
Speaker 1: and this is kind of a family thing. Yeah. Like
Speaker 1: I'm extremely excited, like probably the most excited I've ever
Speaker 1: been to play golf, to be honest, for this weekend.
Speaker 1: And it's yeah, I'm just really looking forward to getting
Speaker 1: out there. I just wanted there, And he's like, I
Speaker 1: want it to happen right now. I want to go
Speaker 1: right now, Like I just wanted to start. When your
Speaker 1: grandpa gets on you and he's coaching you and he's
Speaker 1: teaching you and he's giving you tips or he's telling
Speaker 1: you to walk or that that you love that, I
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah. I always take it and soaks it
Speaker 1: all in. That's so cool. In the end, it was
Speaker 1: actually John Worgrop and Scott Nagel who won the Herdsman beating,
Speaker 1: among others Junior and his partner, Senior and his grandson
Speaker 1: and of course me and Ashworth. But we end this
Speaker 1: podcast with three generations of favorite fire pits. You have
Speaker 1: a favorite place that you sit around and fire pit
Speaker 1: or listen to Torris stories or tell stories and doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily actually have to be a fire pit, but a
Speaker 1: place where you tell stories. Yeah. So my friends, actually
Speaker 1: my best friends. I have American mateo, two best friends
Speaker 1: from here. Mark just moved out to Philadelphia and at
Speaker 1: his old place, we had this fire pit. It was
Speaker 1: our old fire pit that we gave them and we
Speaker 1: always put it in the backyard and they they bought
Speaker 1: his mom bought like three palelets of fire inwood for us.
Speaker 1: And we've just been like every night we go over
Speaker 1: to his place because that I can't fire, just hang
Speaker 1: out and just it's always nice. Yeah. And it's got
Speaker 1: like a whole view. You can see the lagoon and
Speaker 1: calls bad right by, um right by yeah yeah, um,
Speaker 1: the ocean. Everything, it's medreful. You got a favorite fire
Speaker 1: pit right there at the goat, Baby, that's the fire
Speaker 1: mean that that's when the sun setting. After playing the
Speaker 1: Skins game on Friday, and you grab a lagger from
Speaker 1: the pro shop and you sit down and you get
Speaker 1: the firepi going and you get the sun setting. It's
Speaker 1: one hell of a way to bring in the weekend.
Speaker 1: You have a favorite fire pit. Yeah, but it would
Speaker 1: be a toss between Zambia, Manitoba and Alaska anywhere I'm hunting,
Speaker 1: good fire pit after a hunt. Yeah, that's hopefully they're
Speaker 1: opening up Manitoba in ten days, so next year we'll
Speaker 1: get the we'll get the bear hunt. Now. I just
Speaker 1: that's what I enjoy. I enjoy being out in the
Speaker 1: wilderness or on top of a mountain in Alaska where
Speaker 1: we got our dolls, sheep and the rain, the Wrangle
Speaker 1: mountains above the Copper River. You're looking down on it
Speaker 1: forty mile high kid and carrying everything on your back
Speaker 1: and grizzly country. Yes, that's the next documentary we're gonna
Speaker 1: do is Hunting with the Stop. Those are our family
Speaker 1: trips growing up as a kid. Most families go on
Speaker 1: vacations and they go to Hawaii or they go to
Speaker 1: some resort and that, and the mom goes to the
Speaker 1: fall and the daggoes plays golf. Our family trips were
Speaker 1: around the world hunting and fishing. You worked to hunt,
Speaker 1: hunting fish. Yeah, yeah, because I could. I could get
Speaker 1: in shape, especially during the duck hunting, waiting and stuff,
Speaker 1: because you put on weight during the golf season. You
Speaker 1: after your wife tells you need three meals a day
Speaker 1: and all this stuff and which you do which you don't.
Speaker 1: But I I just enjoy getting away. I enjoyed. That's
Speaker 1: why one of the aspects of dealing with people and
Speaker 1: teaching them, I asked them what their hobbies are, and
Speaker 1: my hobbies are the outdoors where I can. It's funny
Speaker 1: that you can't picture what you did wrong in in
Speaker 1: mar Arch, let's say, or April the masters, until you're
Speaker 1: sitting on a mountaintop in November and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it just comes to you. It comes to you what
Speaker 1: what you've done wrong and what you need to straighten out.
Speaker 1: So that's always been my my go to is in
Speaker 1: I'm you know, looking forward to taking Jacob to Manitoba
Speaker 1: and uh, just the experience is That's that's what I'm after.
Speaker 1: That's you know, the voices get quiet, you get you know,
Speaker 1: nothing nothing quite like it. Put another log on the fire.
Speaker 1: Nobody here is get the time. The Americans moved to
Speaker 1: a fourteen thirteen advantage going to the final pair of
Speaker 1: the day, all they would need to earn the cut
Speaker 1: back is a half point and the tension overwhelming Hailer
Speaker 1: when it's seventeen. For Paul, everything resting now on burnt
Speaker 1: hard longer, longer for par at seventeen, and so they
Speaker 1: would move on to eighteen. All square moments in Ryder
Speaker 1: Cup history longer with the five ft for par after
Speaker 1: Irwin had bogey and it was as if all the
Speaker 1: air on the American coast was let out. A historic
Speaker 1: US victory regained the Ryder Cup, and some field changed
Speaker 1: this event forever, turning an event into a gigantic spectacle.