WEBVTT - The Stockton’s 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:08.360 Yours was called sort of a transformational captain cum in 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:10.600 that particular Rider Cup. It it kind of changed the 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:13.680 way the captain saw. There were five rookies on our side. 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.840 You paid absolutely no attention to anyone on the opposing team. No, 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:20.759 I didn't. I mean I I just knew I had 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.440 my team. I had things I had to work through. 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.360 I was only allowed two assistance Both my sons, Junior 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:30.840 and Ronnie were my two assistants. Stockton family started young 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.640 at the Ryder Cup. There, I only got two picks, okay, 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:38.320 so I had one spot locked up. I was automatically 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.160 going to pick Raymond Floyd because I was gonna pair 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.280 him with Couples, which was a brilliant pairing because at 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.159 that point in time, Couples didn't know how good he 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.479 really was. Okay, but I needed one more pick, and 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:52.880 it boiled down to be between Tom Watson, Tom Kite, 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:59.000 and uh chip Beck. And basically and I pulled five 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.920 or six players to play with him. I wanted them happy, 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.160 and it turned out we've ended up. Pick and ship back. 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:16.480 Put another log on the fire. Nobody hears get the time. 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:26.319 Welcome to the fire Pit with Matt Janella needless to say. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:30.279 Goat Hill Park in Oceanside, California is a special place. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.559 Pull up, grab your clubs, throw a leash on your dog, 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.680 walk to the recently renovated range, and you never know 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:42.279 who you might see. There's Dean Wilson, Mike Weir, Bill Murray, 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:50.080 Charlie Hoffman, Jeff Ogilvie, Kelly Slater, Xander Shafley, Byron Scott 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:55.040 or Bubba Watson. But on this day, the day that 0:01:55.120 --> 0:02:00.480 inspired this podcast, I saw three generations of Stockton's Dave 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:06.280 Stockton Senior, Dave Stockton Jr. And junior son Jake, who's 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:10.800 a sophomore at Arizona State Senior. One ten times on tour, 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.239 two PGA Championships, fourteen more on the champions Tour, which 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:19.359 included another three majors. He played at USC turned pro 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.800 in nineteen sixty four and was a member of the 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:25.600 nineteen seventy one and seventy seven Rider Cup teams, both 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.760 were winners, and he captained the winning Ryder Cup team 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.120 in ninety one at Kiawa's War by the Shore. He 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.960 also played a role in the two thousand four Rider Cup, 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.280 which will get too later in the podcast. Stockton who 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.240 is not yet in the World Golf Hall of Fame, 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.760 will tell you he has had a better career as 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.240 a short game and putting instructor than he had as 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:50.400 a player, working with the likes of AKA Phil and Rory. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.120 He's married to his wife Kathy, who will hear from 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:57.320 throughout this podcast, and they'll celebrate Senior's eightieth birthday in November. 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.680 They have two sons, Dave June and ron Or Ronnie, 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:06.560 who both played professionally and are also instructors. Junior, who 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.639 played ten years as a pro and who won two 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.200 nationwide Tour events, is a fixture at the Goat, and 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.800 he often brings his son, Jake, who spent most of 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.359 his childhood playing sports like water polo, but now at 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.240 six ft five inches, has turned to golf and is 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.280 office seven handicap. I got paired with all three Stockton's 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.000 that day as they were preparing for the Herdsman, a 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.760 two man summer tournament at the Goat in which Senor 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.440 was going to partner with Jake Jr. Was playing with 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.920 a longtime friend. But before we get to all of 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.560 that and several reflections on life and specifically Ryder Cups, 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:42.520 I'd like to thank our friends at link sol for 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:46.080 their support of the fire Pit. John Ashworth and Jeff 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.080 Cunningham have created so much more than just a lifestyle 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.680 brand that I live in, both on and off the course. 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.360 Link Soul is a lifestyle that permeates out of Goat 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.760 Hill Park, where they've helped cultivate a course, a culture, 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.960 and a community of that's become a blueprint for what's 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:07.680 possible at a municipality. Discount on your next purchase at 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:12.119 link soul dot com use promo code fire Pit. As 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.680 you can imagine, going all eighteen with three Stockton's was 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.320 a special day. Not only did I get some tips, 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.839 it was a treat to watch them all interact with 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.000 each other. You can see some of that in the 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.920 video on fire Pit Collective dot com, which we dropped 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.839 along with this podcast, and just prior to the Herdsman, 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.400 we had them all stopped by the fire Pit offices 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.800 in Oceanside to record some of their stories and perspective 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.360 on life and golf. We start with seniors first memories 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.360 of the game. I mean, I grew up in Sammard, 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.960 you know Derrowed Country Club and my dad was the 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.039 pro at the time. And the pro shop was like 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.960 three doors down from us, and our front law and 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:51.680 the mowers of the golf course to just mow our 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:55.760 backyard as it was mowing the golf course. Um. So 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:00.479 my first impression is, like most other kids, I used 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.080 the backyard not to play golf. I use the backyard 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.359 to play football and baseball. And it was the coolest 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:09.360 place in the world. And you know, I I would play, 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:12.599 I'd be you know, I would remember little kids. I'd 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:14.360 play up the first hole, which is the part five, 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.080 and I played down the eleventh hole, which is a 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.360 part five. And I only had three clubs. I had 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.520 a putter and a three wood and a nine iron, 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.560 and I just play away and the eleventh green are 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.359 our house was between the second green and the eleventh green. 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.359 In between that was the twelve team that was eventually 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.720 later on when I was a pro, I would practice 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:36.760 up to twelfth hold late at night, but then I 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.240 would be playing back and forth over the greens. So 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.640 I the only thing I remember as a kid is 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.560 going to the putting green at the clubhouse, which is 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.600 three doors away. And here I'm six or seven at 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.520 the time. I would challenge anybody to put if they 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.360 were dumb enough to put up on the pudding green. 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:57.400 I mean, I was good at what I did. You 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.800 already dead, You already remember being good when you were 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:05.760 six secon years about anybody. I mean, I just not 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.320 not for anything. It's just a matter, you know. I 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.400 want to play, you know, I mean, and I didn't 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:12.880 have to go out, and I didn't want hit balls. 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.000 It wasn't about distance or anything. I just it was 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.600 the easiest thing, probably less effort, just to go put 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.000 rather than you know, going along part of the course. 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:24.120 As for Junior's first memory of golf, the summertime was 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:28.000 spent following him around on tour and before I was 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.840 early as I was a couple of weeks old when 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.120 I was first on tour, three weeks old, I was 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.599 out on tour. I was We were called tour brats. 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:38.599 That's what the kids were called. Back then. There was 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.680 no daycare that they have set up now. It's so 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:42.640 great for the players that wives can actually go out 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.080 and watch her husband's play. When we were growing up, 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.640 the wives would take turns, like my mom would get 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:49.640 to watch my dad play nine holes, then she'd come 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:51.120 back one of the other wise would go out and 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:52.960 watch her husband, and she'd watch us. And you know, 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.279 we were always playing at the hotel because when we 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.120 did go out to the golf course as little kids, 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:00.320 were always hanging all over our mom, and it was hot, 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.400 and we'd be hanging on both sides of her, and 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.880 Dad's inside the ropes have and his fun and Mom's 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:10.520 dying walking with us. But I know right inside, yeah, 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.840 all the time. He never hit a crooked But I 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:18.040 as a kid, I would remember I was always all 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.000 in on watching the golf and I would run up 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.120 to the fairway where they'd land, and I'd look back 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:23.840 at the tea and watch him hit. And if he 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:25.880 hit his tea shot and he just picked up his 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:27.600 tea immediately, I knew the ball was going to be 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.600 in the fairway, but a lot of times it was 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.920 more him leaning one way or the other, and so 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.360 I'm looking for the golf ball. But I'd watch him 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:35.640 land and then I'd run up to the green and 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.800 watch him approach. I I didn't miss the shot when 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:39.840 I was at the course, I just loved it. And 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.440 then there's Jake. I just remember always going to the 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.120 College of the Desert and just hitting balls in the range. 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.760 They're just get one of the big buckets and just 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.200 hit balls until it's gone. And I just went through 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:54.600 each bucket, just trying to figure it out, and started 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.200 these the c U S d A tournaments as a kid, 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:03.640 and eventually round towards when high school came around, I 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.480 I M kind of just like fell off with golf, 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.600 and then more recently, I've like a couple of years ago, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.640 I started picking it up again. I'm starting to really 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.679 enjoy it now. Although he grew up around it, golf 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.760 wasn't senior's first choice of sports. If I hadn't broke 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:20.960 my back when I was fifteen, I would have I 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:24.440 would have not been a golfer because I like basketball 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.360 and baseball, not that I was any good at it, 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.720 but golf was like a sissy sport. I mean I 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.160 I mean I played tournaments, I won tournaments before I 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.200 was ten, but it wasn't anything that I put any 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:39.079 effort into. And it wasn't what the athletes were doing 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.320 back then, right, it wasn't all. It just wasn't cool. No. 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.600 But seeing my dad came out of that you know, 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:46.960 depression all this other time, and he was a pro 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.920 in the thirties, but there's no money. He couldn't play anywhere, 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.360 you know me, unless you were. I mean, I have 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.480 a picture, great picture he and Walter Hagen when he 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.920 had an exhibition against Walter Hagen and Arrow had nineteen 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.719 thirty seven. I mean, the two of them standing there. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.200 I mean, my dad could really play. But when my 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:05.920 I'll show you how about how much shoots. When I 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:07.440 was twelve years old, my dad said I was gonna 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.120 have a summer job. Okay, everybody else gets out and 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.760 Junior mentioned this, everybody gets out in in May, and 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.079 now you played off play all these tournaments. Sure, I 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.600 never played more than three tournaments in a summer. And 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.120 I worked the first summer at his sporting goods store. 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.440 I mean, I remember selling a twenty four ft cabin 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:30.720 cruiser that was like six thousand dollars, which is a 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.160 lot of money back in the you know, in the 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:36.920 mid fifties, and shotguns and did all this stuff. From 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:38.360 the end of the year, my dad informed me that 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:39.760 I was going to go to work the next summer 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.280 for the neighbor. While the neighbor happened on the lumber yard. 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.880 And I'm a friend of the next door neighbor who 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.800 owns the lumber yard and holding three of them. Okay, 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:53.600 I'm introduced to his Clarence Fox. I'll never forget this guy. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.079 I'm introduced and I'm the only guy that's not in union, 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.720 so I'm a friend of the owner. It's a union 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:03.920 run business. How much chance do I have? And I 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.520 spent every summer from then on thirteen on until I 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:12.319 graduated MESS working at the slumber yard. Never I played 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.599 three tournaments when I was seventeen, trying to get a 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.880 scholarship to get sc played the Harshet Revere and I 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:22.199 played the national junior at at Stanford University and I 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.560 just but that was that was it, and you got 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.480 the scholarship. Yeah. And then probably the first time in 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.360 l A I shot eighty three. Senior said he made 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.680 a dollar an hour in his first summer at that 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.440 lumber yard. And while at USC, he got set up 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.360 with Katherine Bales, a beauty queen who was also from 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.120 southern California. What was it about Dave Stockton that just 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:48.920 stole your heart? Well, I met Dave at my front door. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:56.040 It was it was a blind date, Yeah, and set 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.800 up through the family. Um, I knew if his name 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:04.199 through friends, but I had never seen it, so to 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.720 see him for the first time right there at my 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:13.640 front door was really kind of fun. But you know, 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.520 at that point in time, you have no idea what 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:20.559 direction this is gonna go. But if you know, it 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.480 just all happened pretty quickly. Um. We knew within a 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.680 month that he well, he wanted me to wear his 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.679 fraternity pen because he was still at SC finishing his 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:34.480 final semester. And I told him, I said, you know 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:39.440 what that means, of course back then and he said yeah, 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.160 And I said, yeah, it's engaged to be engaged, and 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:47.439 I said, this is serious. I don't know if he 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:51.160 really understood that, but anyway, to me, that's what it meant. 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.439 So um, I said, yes, I told we wore that, 0:11:55.600 --> 0:12:00.520 I bore the pen U s C and and went 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.440 through the whole deal with the pinning, and it was 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.559 that was the start. And within oh a couple of 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.800 months after that, we were talking about getting married a 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:16.960 year from then. And he goes out on tour qualifying 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.840 and he's so lonely out there, he says, can we 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.240 move that wedding up and back then? You could? So 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:29.040 within three months we moved it to February and here 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.600 we are. We that was the start of our life. 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:36.480 Our honeymoon was practically almost nine months out there on tour, 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:42.679 never going home, and just an adventure and loving it 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.280 and just we were a team. We knew we had 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.080 were going to be a team from then on and 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:53.840 and that's how it started. So it's really been, you know, 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.280 quite a life for us. And I don't know if 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.480 there's too many other people have a story like that, 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:03.240 but ours is pretty special. From the day you met 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.760 him at that front door, how many how much time 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:13.360 passed before you guys got married? A year in a week? Wow? Yeah, 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.679 a year and a week. That's amazing. That's and now 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.000 you guys have been married fifty six years, going on 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:27.280 fifty seven in February. Yeah, and the se February. The 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:33.480 secret has been, I don't know, just enjoying each other 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:38.600 and loving each other and loving what we do together. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.439 We do so many different things together. He loved hunting. 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:47.280 I learned to love hunting and enjoyed it with him, Uh, fishing, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.200 and of course we were lucky we had two boys 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.720 and they could enjoy things like that, and the fact 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.480 that they could enjoy what their dad was doing out 0:13:56.480 --> 0:14:01.320 on tour, traveling together. Um, I mean, how could you 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:05.840 not say it was perfect? More from Senior on the 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.360 early days of chasing his dream, one tour stop at 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.960 a time. When I started on tour, the hardest part 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:12.800 of our life was that Kathy had to watch the 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:14.520 kids and I'd go out up for the month of 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.040 a time, not more in a month. But I wasn't 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.080 like guyber a two week stretch I'd go for. And 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.560 so consequently, you know, when when they got out of school, 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.720 boy they were on tour because then we could travel together. 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.200 And that's why I didn't play the bridge. I only 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.720 played the British twice because when it came up, you know, 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.280 they they would you know, I was, I wasn't gonna 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.920 take him over there, you know, all the way over 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.800 there for that. And you played better in hot weather anyway. Yeah, 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.120 and so yeah, all my tournaments are in July, all 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.360 my winds are July and August. So I mean it 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:48.480 made it made I feel like the first part of 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.080 the year. Like some guys played better during different things, 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.040 I can't. I mean, I'm a hobbit with my back. 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.360 I mean, I won the tpc A Tampa on the 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.560 Senior Tour, and I won the l A Open. Those 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.680 the only two year going to find generally in July 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.720 or August, I guess warm. In gathering other voices and 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:08.280 perspectives on the Stockton's I interviewed Lanny Watkins, who is 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.280 in the World Golf Hall of Fame, played with Stockton 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.400 in the seventy seven Writer Cup and played for him 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:18.760 in the Writer Cup at Kiowa. When I say, Dave Stockton, 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:23.760 what do you say, ultimate competitor, battler got more out 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.280 of his game than probably anyone else. If anything, Dave 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:31.720 Stockton was an overachiever and a true friend and a 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.240 good person guy who always had the best interests of 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.800 the game at heart. I also spoke to Al Geiberg, Mr. 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.840 Fifty nine, who has been a longtime friend and partner 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.160 in various events through the years, and a good example 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:49.240 referring back to the CBS Golf Classic, I mean he'd 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:53.360 be thirty five ft away, forty ft away. I remember 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.600 that A few times. I actually felt he might make it, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.760 and I know the opponents did too, So that puts 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.160 the pressure on them because you know what he's leveled. 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:07.360 Um Instead of thinking I was just two potter, and uh, 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.720 that's how dangerous he was and how I just felt 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:15.520 like the CBS Golf Classic, I had the guns and 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:20.320 navone on my side with with Dave, I said, now 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.720 you know why I picked in. Well, that wasn't the reason, 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:28.280 but that was my final thing, and everybody was talked about. 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.320 Those matches were a good practice for the Writer Cup 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:36.400 because David and I played sixty nine, seventy and seventy 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.560 one on the CBS Golf Classic. I know those who 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:42.640 weren't the Ryder Cup, he said, seventy seventy one was 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:46.800 his first. Yeah, okay, yeah, all right, Jake, what's your 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:51.360 favorite story about your grandfather? Favorite story and the one 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.200 you've either heard him tell or heard about him or 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.600 just sort of like being immersed and what I mean, 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.320 you've probably heard a million of these stories. What's the 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.760 one where you're gonna tell your kids? And definitely the 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.960 Ryder Cups. The Ryder Cup stories wanted like by far 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:09.280 my favorite. But it's I love sometimes Golf Channel like 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.679 they'll like have like a rewatch of old tournaments and 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:14.800 Grandpa will be playing in it. And it's literally my 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:16.680 favorite thing in the world to watch you sit down 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.480 and here like hold on, I just I just don't know, 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.040 and just watch it because if you can hear the 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.520 old announcers, you look at the old swing, you see 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.640 all like the old fashion and then just it's incredible 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.680 to watch. Is it surreal that HiT's your grandfather? Yeah? 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.120 I like looking at him, like when he's way younger, 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.280 and I'm like, wow, this is so cool and you 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.920 know enough to know, like for him to say, oh, 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:42.439 I was paired with Jack Nicholas in one writer like 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:48.760 does that still it's insane? It's pretty nice. And when 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.720 you think of him as a as a Ryder Cup competitor, 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.200 what are your thoughts? Well, he was tough. I mean 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.280 he was tough. Was names Dave stock and hated to 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.800 lose the fact that he wanted what he did with 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.200 the I mean, let's let's just let's face let's face facts. 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.800 Dave Stockton wasn't the most talented person that ever played golf. 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.200 Uh we almost laughed sometimes with the ball striking in 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.240 the way that he could hardly ever stay on balance 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.880 swinging to the driver. He fell over a lot, kind 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.760 of like Billy Andrei does today. So it's it's it 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.320 was always something to see. But no one had a 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.639 better short game. No one had more belief in themselves 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.760 than Dave Stockton, didn't. I think that's why you accomplished 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.400 so much. When I tell you that it's been fifty 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:33.919 years since your first Ryder Cup and thirty years since 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.720 the Ryder Cup at Kiowa, what do you think the 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.160 fifty years, thirty years? What do you think about that? 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.919 It was only yesterday, not very far. I can I 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.760 can remember. Oh yeah, I mean until you until you 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:50.960 see the people, until you realize. I mean, I'll turn 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.080 eight at the end of this year, and of course 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.359 I didn't have much distance to lose, and thank god 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.240 technology kind of keeps you up there kind of near 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:04.200 where you used to. But yeah, it's it's it's been 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:08.399 a great life because what what is Kathy? And I 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.480 mean I was pretty law at SC for one semester 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:11.879 and then said to hell with that. I was in 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.920 no way I was gonna make seven years. Uh, not 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:19.320 planning to be a pro golfer or anything, you know. Uh, 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.760 But gradually USC became a good player. I mean I'd 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:24.800 come home on the weekend's work with my dad and 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:29.400 you know, I'm not a big city person, and uh 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:33.080 I only had one instructor. I didn't you know. I 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.760 was always taught. You know, this is like my work 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.920 ethic that I got from my dad. Okay, I'm gonna 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:41.240 out work here, and I'm gonna out thank you. I 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:45.480 like my odds, you know. So it's it's been. It's 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.120 been an unbelievable right, And I gotta tell you since 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.280 two thousand nine, I always taught on tour. I mean 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.639 even when I'm playing with people. If I like, if 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.720 they were friends of mine, if Wi Scott had said 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.800 anything to me at all, I would have helped him 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.560 on tour because I'm watching it's going you know. You know, 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.119 especially this finger here, I told him, you see my 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:07.600 finger turn white. That's exactly what he did every time 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:09.560 he grabbed a golf club. And I'm laughing. There's no 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:13.239 way he has. They feel his tension, his tension, and 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:19.080 so consequently it's just I get the feeling that that 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.960 the teaching that we did, I mean we had upwards 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.800 of well we went over two wins in a hurry. 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.840 We had fourteen people at one time on the tour 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:34.760 we work with and LPJ LPGA players all three of us, 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:38.400 and it just it's been, it's been, that's been really enjoyable. 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:46.960 That's you know, the whole thing from playing, you know, captain, coaching, 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.960 all of it. Beautiful life. Yeah, the best, the best. 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.040 The best has been the teaching because when you play, 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.679 you have to be selfish, you know, you have to. 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:01.080 But I've I've enjoyed the teaching ass and that's why 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.199 I always did the corporate outings. Hell, I did American 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.760 Airlines for forty years of the corporate outings. Yeah, and 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.240 I love that. I mean I did upwards of eighty 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:12.119 days a year. I mean I get more money in 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.560 two days than I could possibly one in the tournament. 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.080 You know, you do that on Monday, Tuesday, go to 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.760 the tournament play. You know. He said, you built your 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:25.840 schedule around the corporate outing. Absolutely. The bills, they absolutely, 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.320 But he enjoyed doing, enjoys helping people. Well, I've noticed 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:33.919 this about you, which is I'm it's now just so cool, 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:38.800 but you can't help but teach. I know you can't 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.800 help teach. Since day one. That way, I was a 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.600 little kid in Westlake. We'd be at the range hitting balls, 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.520 and he'd be something. He'd see someone floundering away, and 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.960 he walked over and he's this is seventies. He's winning 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.040 tournaments on tour and everybody in Westlake I knew who 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:55.840 he was. And then he walked over to go mind 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:57.360 if I say some t and they'd look at him 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.360 like deer and headlights like sure, you know, and help 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:02.720 them with their games. And then he'd go back over 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:04.400 and I would watch this as a little kid, only 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:06.280 that's so cool. He just wants to give back. He's 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.840 always done that. So the notion that we started teaching 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:13.639 in oh nine and created Stockton Golf and everything else, No, 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:16.560