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Speaker 1: Welcome to the fire Pit with Matt Janella needless to say.

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Speaker 1: is today thanks to Dave. But we um, it was

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Speaker 1: gratifying that he actually made, you know, his first Ryder

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Speaker 1: Cup team so um, and that we that we won.

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Speaker 1: So it was it was good. It was a good,

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Speaker 1: good thing. We'll get to the thanks to Dave portion

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Speaker 1: of that clip a little later. She's referencing the cup,

433
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Speaker 1: but in seventy one. The captain was j Aber. His

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Speaker 1: teammates included Billy Casper, Charles Cooty, Jean Littler, Lee Trevino,

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Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicholas. My first time all worse

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Speaker 1: than the seventy one. And I find out that night

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Speaker 1: before I'm playing with Nicholas in Alvernet shot and I

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Speaker 1: have never played a practice round with Their games are

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Speaker 1: polar opposite, and I'm going, okay, And it took on

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Speaker 1: about the fourth and fifth hold. Jack Turnomy says, is

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Speaker 1: this all the farther you can hit it? And I'm

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Speaker 1: going And I looked at me. I said, you're the

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Speaker 1: best player in the world. This as far as I

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Speaker 1: can hit it. If you can just hit it on

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Speaker 1: the green, I'll make it. But you got you know,

446
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: But it was not It was not a good bit

447
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: fault of the captain in my mind, so we got this.

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Speaker 1: The only Writer cup point I've lost it was being

449
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Speaker 1: my first match with Nicholas. The only Ryder cup point

450
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: you ever lost was being yeah because because in that

451
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: But that's went into my strategy. What I did is

452
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Speaker 1: that if you're doing all are in a shot, you

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Speaker 1: darn well put people together and short short. I read,

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Speaker 1: that's your if you break that pad, if you put

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Speaker 1: along with a short, you're dead. You're dead. Fine with

456
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: best ball, but all are in a shot. So they

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Speaker 1: sat me on the You not only sat me Friday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: Jay Bear, they sat me all day Saturday. I didn't

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Speaker 1: show up to Sunday. I played the two single matches

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Speaker 1: on Sunday with a tie and a win. But I

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00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: was yeah, I played. I played Bernard Gallagher by the

462
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Speaker 1: Ryder Cup captain who we tied, and I beat Townsend.

463
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Speaker 1: But but the point point being is that you believe.

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Speaker 1: But he put J. C. Snead with Nicholas. It was perfect.

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Speaker 1: That is an absolute perfect pairing. Jack looks over. You

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Speaker 1: have other fourth? Is this as far as you can

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Speaker 1: hit it? Yeah? That's when I asked how that feel?

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Speaker 1: It didn't feel good. I couldn't hit it farther. I's

469
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Speaker 1: trying it as hard as I could hit. It just

470
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Speaker 1: doesn't happen to go anywhere. There were two singles sessions

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Speaker 1: in the Ryder Cup until nineteen seventy nine. Stockton went

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Speaker 1: one one in one in seventy one, earning his team

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Speaker 1: a point and a half. Here's more from Landy Watkins. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's just the ultimate competitor. He wants to win,

475
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Speaker 1: and I mean, you know how much I want to win.

476
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: I hate losing. I I you know, I really enjoy

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Speaker 1: winning more than anything else. To me. That's what it's

478
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: always been about with golf. Dave's the same way. I

479
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: think we're at the same mold a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: wish I'd had a short game, good God, but he is, uh,

481
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Speaker 1: just a great competitor, very caring um really was into

482
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Speaker 1: the whole thing with Ryder Cup matches. We played on

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Speaker 1: a team together in seventy seven and I remember he

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Speaker 1: and Jerry McGee taking down a pretty formidable group the

485
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Speaker 1: first day, and it was impressive they were. And the

486
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Speaker 1: funny thing is I played in seventy seven with the

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Speaker 1: guy that that Dave put me with. In ninety one,

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Speaker 1: I played my my first match at seventy seven with

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Speaker 1: Halo Irwin, and then Dave put Halen I together in

490
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: alternate shot both rounds and halen I one. Actually we've

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Speaker 1: won all three together before we get to ninety one.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear from Senior on n seventy seven where he

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Speaker 1: went to and oh, I think golf's like a chess match,

494
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: and I just it was interesting. It's like you mentioned

495
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: driving over here. One of the one of my most

496
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Speaker 1: fun things was playing at Live Them in St Anne's

497
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: for Finster Walton when I was playing terrible, totally different

498
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: and I got paired with McGee, Jerry McGee, and and

499
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Speaker 1: it was probably one of the highlights of my life

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Speaker 1: because here I am the senior member of our twosomes. So, okay,

501
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: we're gonna play. I don't remember what ball. I may

502
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: have been playing Hogan or Tylus whatever, but then McGee,

503
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: being the junior member of this alderness shot, Okay, we

504
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: hit the ball similar distance. He's a little bit longer

505
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: than me, but similar, but he had to use my

506
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Speaker 1: ball and we start out and literally the first fairway

507
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: I hit was eighteen, I mean, and we're wearing polyester

508
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Speaker 1: pants which were really in style and seventy seven. And

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00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: he looks like he's been in the middle and referee

510
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: to cat fight because from the knees down they had

511
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: white roses, low white roses, live them in st ants.

512
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: He had strings out his pants this long. I mean,

513
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: he just platt trying to find my ball, and I'm

514
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: not going out there. His pants are perfect. My pants

515
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: are perfect cause Jerry never his pants are ruined. You're

516
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: perfectly clear because he never missed a fairway. So I mean,

517
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go out there and coach him how

518
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: to hit out of the rose bushes. And we're two

519
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: down with we're the leading group out in the matches

520
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: on on on Friday, and we're two down going into sixteen.

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Speaker 1: And I had a brilliant drive that I'm in the

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Speaker 1: short short intermediate. I'm not my five feet off the

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Speaker 1: Barrewyers first time I've seen him, and I said, just

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Speaker 1: get it on the green, jare, I'll make it, and

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00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: he knocks it. I don't know thirty five ft and

526
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Speaker 1: I hold it and so we win. We're one down

527
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Speaker 1: with two to go, and we're playing hug It and

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00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: Dawson and eighteen seventeen eighteen have bunkers s and right

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the fairway and McKee hits it

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Speaker 1: right in the middle of a fairway bunker and their

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00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: thirty yards passes. I've got to lay up out of

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00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: the bunker shorter where their ball is number one day,

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Speaker 1: So I get it out behind him. I said, get

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Speaker 1: it on the green. Now, Jared, no problem, We're still

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Speaker 1: all right. Just get it on there. I'll make it.

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Speaker 1: So he puts it. He puts it and rolls through

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00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: the green, rolls about fifty ft in the back back portion.

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00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: They were on twenty five ft. I hold it from

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Speaker 1: fifty and they and they and they three put it.

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Speaker 1: They three pot it. Now we're even go on to

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Speaker 1: eight team my drive, so I don't do this day.

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Speaker 1: Member which side of the faraway? I missed the bunker?

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Speaker 1: I missed, but I figured, what the hell, I'm dead straight?

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00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: Is dad and gone there all day? So it's not

545
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: going there? And he either went left or right, and

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00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: I was perfect. They never finished the whole. They got

547
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 1: one of the bunk, they gotten the bunker, and they

548
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: never finished the whole. That's what you talk about momentum, right,

549
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: And he was sucks that. He looks a little bad.

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00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: It looks like he had fringe. If you took a

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00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: portrait of just you guys knees down with you know,

552
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: the four legs, and you see his pants all torn

553
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: to shreds and years perfect, that is the perfect, you know,

554
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: portrait of alternate shot. You don't see that at this point,

555
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: I asked Junior for his favorite memory of his dad's career.

556
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: There's so many, but I would say the one that

557
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: I was, the one I'm most proud of is him

558
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: captain in the Ryder Cup in ninety one at Kiowa.

559
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: And you know, we hadn't one in a few matths,

560
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: six years, six years, we hadn't one. And there were

561
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: so many variables, so many changes in that Rider Cup

562
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: at ninety one. People don't realize the ninety one Ryder

563
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: Cup was supposed to be played at the stadium course

564
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: at PGA West and nobody knows that. You asked people

565
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: that go, I don't know your backyard. That's what I

566
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: thought I had it. So when they named Kiwa, it's

567
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: like whoa okay, and it's not even Bill yet. There

568
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: was a question if it was gonna be ready for

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00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup. Well, he handled the guys when he

570
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: he made the two picks he got to pick. He

571
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: had the ten guys that made the team. He had

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Speaker 1: four choices that he said pick him one to four,

573
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Speaker 1: who do you want? Because he wanted the total team

574
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: unit to have everybody on that team to play together

575
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: and be won one unit, because that's what the Europeans

576
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: do so well. So it was chip Beck and Raymond

577
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: Floyd where the two picks. Raymond was there to take

578
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: care of Freddie because Freddie was so young. He didn't

579
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: realize how good he was, is what Dad said. And

580
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: and then chip Beck was there to for obvious reasons.

581
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: He's he was one playing great. Then he's so positive.

582
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: The guy never says anything negative. He's great to have around.

583
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: I asked Cathy for memories of her role as a

584
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: captain's wife. But it was exciting. I mean, it was

585
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: just craziness and and uh, I've never seen Dave lost

586
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: a lot of weight through the whole thing. You know,

587
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: we started two years ahead of time planning the whole thing,

588
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: and we didn't get the money that uh they have

589
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: now for things to wear. It was pretty much cut.

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00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: Wives really never got anything. So the p g A

591
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: officials wives called me and said, we want to do

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00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: something fun. So we picked out T shirts with us

593
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: a sequence across it, and I had sweaters that looked

594
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: like the flag. I mean we really had fun with it.

595
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: And um so anyway, that was the start of finally

596
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: getting you outfits for the wives and uh to kind

597
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: of be as a team as well with their husbands.

598
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: I asked Lanny Watkins for more on Senior as a captain,

599
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: great captain, really a delight to play for. He and

600
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: Cathy were fantastic. They left no stone unturned. Uh. He

601
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: was trying to get everybody in the mix. I was

602
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: fortunately played all five matches for him at Kilwa and

603
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: played well. He made a couple of little uh snaff

604
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: who's here and there that, But overall I think he

605
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: was an outstanding captain, did a wonderful job. And uh,

606
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think we really enjoyed the celebration.

607
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: So I could say Watkins went three one in one

608
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: in winning his singles match on Sunday three and two

609
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: over Mark James. Meanwhile, Junior was busy playing the role

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00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: as assistant captain. You're not You weren't much older than

611
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: Jake at that time. Two. I had just turned pro

612
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: six months earlier. And you know, Dad had the guys

613
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: come in the week prior to the Ryder Cup because

614
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: he wanted them to play the course a few rounds,

615
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: because you could play that course six eight times and

616
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: see a different wind each time, different conditions, and and

617
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: the Europeans really didn't come over and play it. They

618
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: never played a practice until the week of and so

619
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: that my dad had the guys come over and said,

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00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: come over and play a few days and you can

621
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Speaker 1: go home for the weekend to come back on Monday.

622
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: And they came out and we were there and Dad goes, Junior,

623
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: go out and play with them. I'm like, yeah, I've

624
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: been pro six months and here I am playing with

625
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: these guys. And Zinger was my partner. And you know,

626
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: the pain and Paul were two pranksters. They we were

627
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: all in carts and if you weren't careful, Pain or

628
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: Paul would go and unhook the strap on the cart.

629
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: So when you drove off your bag. And these guys

630
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: are at the time around twenty years old, twenty nine,

631
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, these guys are the best players and

632
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: they're just kids. They're just out here messing around having

633
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: think about the idea that you were an assistant. Can

634
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: you imagine now, like if if the ryder kept gaping,

635
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: would they of his son's assistant captains? And as twenty two,

636
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: they would be like people would be apoplectic and feel

637
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: like what the hell is going on? But at this

638
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: different time, I spoke to John Wardrop, another goat Hill

639
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: Park loyalist and legend who goes way back with the Stocktons.

640
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: He was actually at USC was my roommate when he

641
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: was the captain. So all the guys on the golf

642
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: team we sat around and watched watched him being captain.

643
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: We're dying laughing. But what is he doing there? What

644
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: does he do? Whether he pulled it off? Man, I

645
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: think I think his like total like upbeat attitude that

646
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: Junior is. I mean, if you look at him, he's

647
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: always got a spot smile on his face, the most

648
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: positive guy in the room, you know, never down talks

649
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: poorly about anybody. I think that his energy probably had

650
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: an influence on those guys, you know, just smiling and

651
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: being around him and being kind. You know, it's just

652
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: just his DNA. In Stockton Senior only had two captains picks.

653
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: The other two there were in consideration to be in

654
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: a to be one of our players was Watson and Kite.

655
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have the option the Daisinger

656
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: had in two thousand and eight of having four picks,

657
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: because I passed on Watson, Kite John Daily right when

658
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: John Daily wanted Crooked stick that year. The favorites that

659
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: everybody wanted me to pick, because the picks would have

660
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: been would have been Daily and Nicholas you passed on daily,

661
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: Nicholas Watson and Kite wasn't. Curtis Strange was another one

662
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: that was just because back he was hopings and I

663
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: told him, I told no, I told him before. I said, Jesus,

664
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: well the key the key was. And I told Curtis

665
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: he had a spot. And then starting about in June,

666
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: he and I were started talking. I said, I I'm

667
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: an honor that I told you to have a spot.

668
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: He says, I'm given a lot of thought. I don't

669
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 1: want to take it. He says, I'm not playing well enough.

670
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: And this this was was It was huge because four

671
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: years after mine LANDI picked him because they were in

672
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: New York and it o Kills where where he won

673
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: and at the second time and he that's basically I

674
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: think the reason one of the reason they didn't get

675
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: it done because there was there were there were four

676
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: of us that talked all the time, Lannie, Pain and Haisinger.

677
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: Whenever we were around each other, we talked about the

678
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: Ryder Cups, How would we make it better? What would

679
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: we do In my real aspect, I got Deborah Graham

680
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: uh Rab Aisinger used Ron Braun as his psychologist, that

681
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: he profiled his players because and and Aisinger understood it.

682
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: I mean, you talked to Bubba Watson one voice, but

683
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: you'd also talked to Tiger Woods in another voice. I mean,

684
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna you can't use the same philosophy. Just okay,

685
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: this is go get them guys or what are different?

686
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: People are motivated different ways. So we understood our players

687
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: really good. And my job was to get people to

688
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: fit together. And so what I tried to do earlier

689
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: in the year, which I still think it is one

690
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: of the most brilliant moves, is I went to the

691
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: PGA Tour and we'd have Tuesday shootouts. You're right here

692
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: in San Diego. I kicked, I took. They let me

693
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: take control of the Tuesday shootouts. So one Tuesday, I

694
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: do all earn a shot next Tuesday. At next Tuesday,

695
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: i'd I'd do best ball. So I right here at

696
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: Torrey Pines. I mean I had I had Landy playing

697
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: I think with Payne one day and I had I

698
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,479
Speaker 1: had uh well, my two bruins, Chip Beck and corp

699
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: In Uhn in Peyton Paven getting them to play together

700
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: so they knew. I did not want to have the

701
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: scenario of coming to the Ryder Cup and not knowing

702
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: who they were going to play with chemistry. I want

703
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: a chemistry, so I want one of my picks. The

704
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: two of the there were basically out of the ten

705
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: guys on the team, six or the guys that I

706
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: was leaning on. And I told him, I said, Raymond's

707
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: got the first pick I because I want him to

708
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: go with couples, because that's a two sting. I can

709
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: play either way. And I had I had, I had

710
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: my bruins. Okay, I have Landi and Hale, I've got Pain,

711
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: I've got all these guys, Calcavecchia, I had a heck

712
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: of a strong team. And so so the the obvious

713
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: one in the end was putting Chip Chip with Aisinger.

714
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: But what I didn't realize is when when Chip was picked,

715
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: that's somewhere somebody got to slipped a note in to

716
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: God or something that Balstros is part of this equation

717
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: because freaking every match Balstos got against Asinger. More from

718
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: Landy Watkins, the pod System, the chemistry. You know, Aisinger

719
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: gets a lot of credit for that, But but isn't

720
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: Dave part of all that too. We always did that,

721
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, aising or just you know, went out and

722
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: put it on social media like hey we got something

723
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: brand new. That's that was nothing brand new. We did

724
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: that from the first Rider couple in seventy seven. Just

725
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: because he called it a pot system doesn't mean we

726
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: didn't have guys that we knew who were going to

727
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: play with. I mean, you know, Paul is always great

728
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: at pat himself on the back, but uh, you know

729
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: it was we We always did that. That's what we

730
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: were successful early on in seventy seven, seventy nine, eight three.

731
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we knew what we were doing and where

732
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: we were going. What no one knew was that on

733
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: Wednesday night, en route tweet party in Charleston and in

734
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: bad weather, Steve Peate would be injured in a car accident.

735
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: He and Shannon Paven, Corey Paven's wife, were both taken

736
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: to the hospital. Paven was released immediately with an elbow injury.

737
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: Pete received treatment for his ribs. He was out of

738
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup. The thing people don't know too, is

739
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: we had. He had Paven and Pete, we're going to

740
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: be playing together every match. And the day that Pete

741
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: got hurt, he shot sixties six or seven sixties. No

742
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: he didn't, he didn't. Maybe see I don't think he

743
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: had a round over six. He didn't have. He didn't have.

744
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: He was lower than everybody by four or five shots.

745
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: He playing better than everyone, and then all of a sudden,

746
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: he's gone, yeah, I got hitting the limo wreck. So

747
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: Pete would go into the envelope, which is to say

748
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: he wouldn't play. And whoever he was paired against in

749
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: Sunday's singles, they both earned their teams a half a point.

750
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: But that wasn't all that Senior was dealing with that week.

751
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: Ok let's say there's no limo wreck, we're driving the

752
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: rain a lim wills get there. Okay, you go into

753
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: this auditorium and if everything in a cool world that

754
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: had been fine, we got there, as we lived it,

755
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: we couldn't figure out where our guys were. We couldn't

756
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: figure out why certain guys were missing. But the show

757
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: went on, and eventually they talked about the cell phones, right,

758
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: so they talked about the year. They talked about the

759
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: European team, and they give them five minutes. Their team,

760
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: great team. Now we have the American team. We give

761
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,959
Speaker 1: the American team twenty minutes. It's just and I'm going,

762
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: I've worked so hard to have no material on the

763
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: bulletin ard, you know, And and it had just fired

764
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: him right up, and I'm going, I don't need this.

765
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: And then they and then they came out with the

766
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: clever tagline, the War by the Shore. Perfect. Now I

767
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: have contributed to that because I've got the camouflage hats

768
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: because i like to hunt. That's for hunting. That's for hunting.

769
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't wasn't fring to take anybody off for, you know,

770
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: but that was the only small things they could tell it.

771
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: They already got enough going on, and now you got

772
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: all this other But he put together the barbecue with

773
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: just the players and their families. That was at no

774
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: PJ officials, nobody. And in the end they were amazing, right,

775
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: the whole sportsmanship of them. And riding the bus we

776
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: got there, yeah with Paven, Paven being carried on the

777
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: bus by Woosman because he's so small, I'll just carry

778
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: him on. Yeah, he said, we only need one seat,

779
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: two of us, I'll do. You just chuck him on

780
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: the bus, you know. And we started out by that

781
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: Tuesday night because nothing else was going on by I

782
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: said to burn our longer I burned Gallagher. I said,

783
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, would you like to have dinner tonight just

784
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: our team and your team? Provided you don't bring any

785
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: of your PGA officers or officials, because I'm not inviting

786
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: any of ours. You'll just be us short spear, whatever

787
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: you guys want, and we can get together as families.

788
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: You can bring your family, that's fine. I don't want

789
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 1: any officials though, And that's what we did the Tuesdays ship,

790
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: and it was that's how we started, you know. And

791
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: then next thing I know, we're at the war by

792
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: the shore and you know, and you're down at best player.

793
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, playing the best of anybody on the team,

794
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: and yeah so but but it was it was unbello.

795
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: But it changed a lot of stuff. It's true times

796
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: were changing and the rivalry was brewing. There seemed to

797
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: be Shenanigan's coming from both sides. This is a quick

798
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: clip in which Paul Broadhurst of Team Europe shares some

799
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: of his reflections with coughing World you'll hear Sevy by

800
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: Osterios and Jose Amir accusing Paul Azinger and Chip Beck

801
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: of changing balls mid round. Yeah, I was a Kira

802
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: Island the war on the shore where you know, one

803
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: or two things happened that perhaps shouldn't have happened beyond

804
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: the scenes, radio stations ringing us at five in the

805
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: morning to wake us up, and you know all manner

806
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: of different things that went on. Balls appearing back on

807
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: the fairways, compression, I don't think so. What I know

808
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,959
Speaker 1: that cheap hit a kind of competition or a number

809
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: of seven that I'm sure and then I'm sure about that. No,

810
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I agree with you that maybe

811
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: they were in the rough for you know, all of

812
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: a sudden they appeared on the fairway and just things

813
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: that niggled the players a little bit. But you know,

814
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: our team was was made up for five or six

815
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: superstars of European golf at the time, Lie woos Langer,

816
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: Nick Fowler, Sevy A Lazabel. In the first two sessions

817
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: on Friday by a Stereos and Olathalbo beat Aisinger and

818
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: back two and one. The Spaniards were unstoppable of all

819
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: the pairings, and I don't know how it happened three times,

820
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: and finally finally the fourth time, finally Floyd and Couples

821
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: got him got and I told Raymond, I said, you know,

822
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: Balastarios had a terrible cough with with aisinger. You know

823
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: you might want to mention it to him. And he

824
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: looked at me, says, yeah, I'll handle that. And you

825
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: walked right on the first team. I hear you've been

826
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: coughing a lot of hope. Are you feeling all right?

827
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: You gotta taking anything for that? He didn't cough once.

828
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: You see, I'll give you a reason to cough if

829
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: I hear that cough something like that. I don't know

830
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: what they said, but they got it handled. Going into

831
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: Sunday singles, the score was eight to eight. Now more

832
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: from the Shore as Junior recalls the final day with

833
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: everything they went down, with Steve pay getting hurt in

834
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 1: the limo accident, everything else. Um, he put two years

835
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: of his heart and soul into it. And then it

836
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: came down to uh the last match with Irwin and

837
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: Longer and a seven team. We thought they were that

838
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: Irwin who's going to close it out and win And

839
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: then We're sitting on the edge of the green. I'm

840
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: right next to him, and we're both everybody's watching and

841
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: Dad's watching like this, and Irwin knocks is shot by

842
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: and mrs the putt coming back. So now they're tired

843
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: going into the last hole. Here's a rip of voices

844
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: from that Ryder Cup reflecting on what it meant and

845
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: what it came down to. It's Chip Beck, Colin Montgomery,

846
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: Mark Calcaveciat, Bernard Langer and Paul Broadhurst, anyone that was

847
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: a big thrust for the American team and the Americans

848
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: to try to get that cut back and pretty excited.

849
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: Came down to one put having at to win on

850
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: the last minute. You could you could times it bout

851
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: ten and because you don't playing piece of this punt

852
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: means a bunch to somebody else, and you're playing at

853
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: the end. And that's why the precious center times, which

854
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: was so hard to believe after three days of competition.

855
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: It came down to the very last group on the

856
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: very last cream with a man named and our lagger

857
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: if he makes it europquess if he misses it, the

858
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: United States WS. I wouldn't want anybody to have to

859
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: have that partet. You know, I came down the last

860
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: part from Bernhard and you know I get a good pot.

861
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: He just didn't read it right. I made a good put,

862
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: but it didn't go in, and uh, you know it

863
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: was down from my theme and all I had to

864
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: do is make a six foot put. It comes down

865
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: to to that if somebody's putt goes in or somebody's

866
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: put goes out, and that's a he missed a night

867
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: foot put Dan Hill with two the three inches had

868
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: left or right right. It means to put that everyone

869
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,479
Speaker 1: hates or for safe. But you know, if you didn't

870
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: hold it, it it would have been a hatter, right. Unfortunately

871
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: missed it and that one that was the whole week.

872
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: And that's what these riding tops are. And that's why

873
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: it's so it's such a fabulous comment. We get to

874
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: eighteen and obviously, sitting there and it comes down to

875
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: Bernard's putt, and I look at my dad sitting next

876
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: to me, and his his he's like this, he's got

877
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: his eyes closed and his head down. He's not watching.

878
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: And I looked at him and I went, oh my god,

879
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: I can't watch. And I think and I just said

880
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: a little prayer. I said, Lord, my dad's put two

881
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: years of his life into this and worked so hard.

882
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: Nothing against Bernard Longer, but really like to see Dad

883
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: get this w in the USA win and you know,

884
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: and Longer hit up. He'll tell you today he had

885
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: a great putt. I thought he made it, you know,

886
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: and it didn't go in and I jump up and

887
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: Dad looks up at me, and I yanked him up.

888
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't pull his shoulder arms out of

889
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: his sockets. But you know, that was what he put

890
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: into that, and being a part of that, and bringing

891
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: the cup home and me being an assistant captain and

892
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: my brother Ron being an assistant. He was a family affair,

893
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: and uh I should have kept notes, but I remember

894
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: everything like it was yesterday still today, and the stories

895
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: with the players, um and everything that he did that week.

896
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: That's my my proudest and memory of what he did.

897
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: One more from Haul Broadhurst who went to and oah

898
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: Kiwa and beat Marco Mera three and one in singles.

899
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: It was pretty big back then, so I thought. But

900
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: I mean now you stand on there, and I mean

901
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: the galleries that go to watch now is incredible. I

902
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: mean there was a lot of nerves when I first played.

903
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: To think what it's like for the players nowadays with

904
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: the grand standards. I mean, it's like it's like the

905
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: British Open on the first team or even bigger. Perhaps

906
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: it's a massive, massive event. It is the pinnacle of

907
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: your golf career playing the ridical. And again, Lanny Watkins,

908
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: who's comparing Arriss? How would you like to take today's

909
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: team and let's go back to our primes and let's

910
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: put me in and even in Stockton and a singer

911
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: and Raymond Floyd and Tom Watson and Hailo and Larry

912
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: Nelson and put us up against these guys. So do

913
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna win? Well? Yeah, But the big

914
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: difference is you guys used to play like the Euros

915
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: play today, which is the flag meant more than the

916
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: name on the back of the jersey. Do you know

917
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like you were able to put all

918
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: that aside and it was about winning, and no question,

919
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: I mean, it galls me to death when I see

920
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: guys worried about who they're gonna play with. I played

921
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: eight Rouder Cups. I never one time asked the captain

922
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: to play with anybody, And I played five matches a lot.

923
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: I played with a whole bunch of wide range of players,

924
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: going from Statler and Wayne Levy to Hail Irwin and

925
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: Payne Stewart, you know, Marco Mira all the way down.

926
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, Larry Nelson, I want all four matches together.

927
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: One year it was about you know, what can I

928
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: do to help the captain and the Unfortunately don't take

929
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 1: that approach today asked for senior. He has a positive

930
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: outlook on this week, Stricker is gonna undo an unbelievable

931
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: job because Stricker knows he's come up in this President's

932
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: Cup Ryder Cup thing and they've they're they've got this

933
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: group of guys together. Yeah, but come on, are you

934
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: telling me you'd want to go into trying to manage

935
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: this this team with Brooks and Bryson and all the

936
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: bullshittery of this. But you've always had that, It's always

937
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: been there. Sun found out real fast how much it

938
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: was there with Michelson and Woods. I mean, I mean

939
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: that was unbelievable. I mean, he's got the two best

940
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: players and now he puts them together to win one

941
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: point if he separates him and puts him with Joe Schmo.

942
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: Either one of them they can win two points, but

943
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: oh no, so that he's perfectly satisfied to him lose

944
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: a point. In other words, you know, like it would

945
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: be almost like putting Bryson and Brooks together and saying, okay,

946
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: go play. I mean, can you imagine doing that, have

947
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: them play where they're playing their own ball, and and

948
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: they're trying to beat each other and they probably go

949
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: out and play well. But not only did he do

950
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: it once, he did it twice. He was like, my

951
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: dad was the one that went to you went to

952
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: Jackie Burke, didn't you can go what to b I

953
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: flipped out because in that one I went to him.

954
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: And I talked to Chris Riley before because I'd watched

955
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: Chris Riley tie is match on Thursday on Friday on Friday,

956
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: sorry player by the way, yeah, but just a really

957
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: need kid first. He's the reason that he and I

958
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: talked to him. I said, you know, why don't you

959
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: consider separating the two? You know, why don't you separate

960
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: the two and put because what I would love to do.

961
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: I would love to see you put like Chris Riley

962
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: with Tiger and he looked at me and he said why.

963
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: I said, because he's enthusiastic and he really wants to play,

964
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: and he keeps Tiger loose. It's so I went to

965
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: and I said, don't be shocked if they asked you

966
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: to play with Tiger. Tom All. Here's Chris Riley, who's

967
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: now the head coach of the men's golf team at

968
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: the University of San Diego. Riley reflects on the role

969
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: Senior played on that two thousand four team. I mean,

970
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: for me personally, he was a tremendous help. I mean,

971
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: I was obviously a rookie in two thousand and four.

972
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: It was a veteran squad and he was there and

973
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: and you know, I was kind of a um, a

974
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: deer in headlights, so to speak, and didn't really know

975
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: what to expect. And there was Dave Stockton Senior, who

976
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: I knew was the ninety one captain at Kiowa, and

977
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: he kind of took me under his wing, which was

978
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: really cool. He just told me to relax, enjoy it,

979
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: and uh, use the best club in my putt in

980
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: my bag, which was my putter. So um, you know,

981
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: I just remember sitting there when Tiger and Phil went

982
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: out for the first match, and me and Senior were

983
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: just sitting there watching it in the in the team

984
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: room area at at Oakland Hills, and and he was

985
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: just a just a great, great person to talk to

986
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: and just kind of put me at ease at you know,

987
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: probably the biggest golf tournament in the world. Micholson and

988
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: Woods infamously lost the morning round to Monty and Harrington

989
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: two and one. They lost the afternoon to Darren Clark

990
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: and Lee Westwood one up. Here's more from Senior on

991
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: the potential pairing of Chris Riley with Tiger Woods. What

992
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: did he say? What? His eyes got bigger in hell?

993
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: And so he said to me, he said, you know,

994
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: he said, if you do? And I said, if you do,

995
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: I got something I want you to you know, I

996
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: wanted certain things I want you to do. He's just

997
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: what's that? He says, Well, let's wait till you get it.

998
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: So he got and he calls me. So I said, okay,

999
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: now you guys are playing best ball. He's gonna'll drive

1000
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: you by a hundred miles. I said, I want you

1001
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: to name at the middle of every single green because

1002
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: remember yesterday when you guys tied and you got up

1003
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: on seventeen. You remember the shot you hit and it

1004
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: was a part three. I hadn't talked to him about it.

1005
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: He's the first one up. Penn was on the right

1006
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: and he left it the right and the bunker. Now

1007
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: his partner's got to play safe because he just he

1008
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: doesn't he's not in play you know where, and doing that,

1009
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: the first guy's gotta get it on the green. So

1010
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: that guy could get it on the green or go

1011
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: for whatever he wants, you know, but you gotta have

1012
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: some thought at it. I said, okay, but now with Tiger,

1013
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: just put in the middle of green. But now don't

1014
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: walk off, don't keep in your own bubble what you

1015
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: normally would. I want you to go right by him

1016
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: and just say to him, Tiger, can you get inside that? Please?

1017
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: And Tiger, I guess, looked at him the first hole

1018
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: like he was from Mars Riley. Tell him, could you

1019
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: get inside? Get inside that? Come on, Tiger, you can

1020
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: do it. Tiger is the most competitive purses that I've

1021
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: ever met in my life. And you know he's he's right,

1022
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Jordan has the same kind of fire.

1023
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: Um And yeah, Senior Dad, tell me he said, just

1024
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: put him the middle of green at the Tiger Fire

1025
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: at Flags and and sure enough we had a we

1026
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: had a great match. Um, like I said, we won

1027
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: four and three and and um you know there's not

1028
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: like winning a mat or on a point in the

1029
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup or winning a match. And um yeah, I

1030
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: mean Senior gave me so much advice. Um I went one,

1031
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: one and one, and a lot of that was Senior

1032
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,959
Speaker 1: helping me out on how to handle the Ryder Cup

1033
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: as we all know, right, and the Ryder Cup has

1034
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: one and lost with the putter. And he was one

1035
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: of the best partners of all times, so he knows

1036
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: what he's talking about when it comes to those kind

1037
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: of um. Writer comes. So before we get to further

1038
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: reflections and the Stockton's favorite fire pits, I want to

1039
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,920
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1040
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1041
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1042
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1043
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,719
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1044
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1047
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: start with some reflections on the Stockton's, their family and legacy,

1048
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: with Lanny Watkins on the idea that Dave Senior and

1049
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: Cathy raised two professional golfers and top instructors. Well, I

1050
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: think just shows you know, great parents Dave and Cathy.

1051
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: You know word of their boys, I mean Ronny and

1052
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: and Dave Junior or Joe's outstanding people and uh, they've

1053
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: always been high quality people. They've got a lot of talent. Uh,

1054
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: delightful family to always be around, and in my mind,

1055
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: I think I think they were the first to raddick

1056
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: up assistance. David had them they're working that week. I

1057
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: took a page from that, had my brother there when

1058
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: I was captain ninety five, So, uh, it was really

1059
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: cool having both his boys. They're enjoy that experience with

1060
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 1: their dad. I thought, I wish mine had been old

1061
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: enough to do that, you know, but I think it's

1062
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: probably one of the best memories those boys will ever

1063
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: have of doing something, especially with their dad. And Kathy

1064
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: stalked in on her life captain and teammates. Well, it

1065
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: couldn't be more perfect, no, I I've enjoyed the life.

1066
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: Proud of Dave what he's accomplished, and I hope some

1067
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: day that he might be in the Hall of Fame. Uh,

1068
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: it's a big wish for all of us. And um,

1069
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: he's just uh, it's amazing how he can. He loves

1070
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: the people. He'll give lessons to people, whether they wanted,

1071
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, ask for it, and he gives up his

1072
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: time and uh, he just I'm just so grateful that

1073
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: we've had the life we've had. I've loved walking the fairways.

1074
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: I'd rather be out there watching him than being home

1075
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: waiting for a phone call. With his career and accomplishments

1076
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: as a player, captain and coach, it seems crazy to

1077
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 1: me Dave Stockton Senior is not in the World Golf

1078
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame Outstanding career. He's right on the He's

1079
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: right on the right on the cuff, no question. Uh

1080
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: you know that. It's uh, you know, and I think

1081
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: one thing that goes against Dave and hurts is the

1082
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: fact that he's not a classic looking player. You know,

1083
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: Dave did it as a grinder, is you know, he

1084
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: was uh in a tough I would put Hubert Green

1085
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: in the same mode as they've stocked in Hubert just

1086
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: one more times on tour if you will. Uh. You know,

1087
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: both won two Majors, and you know, very impressive players

1088
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: and were in contention a lot, so U Dave wanted

1089
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: some great venues. He I know he wanted Riverera. I

1090
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: know he wanted Colonial, he wanted Southern Hills, he wanted Congressional.

1091
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean to me, you start looking at the venues

1092
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: where Dave Stockton wanted, and that that's very, very impressive,

1093
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: both great putters. I asked Chris Riley if he felt

1094
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: like he in Stockton had similar styles and strategies when

1095
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: it came to playing the game. Get it on the

1096
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: green and the next one might go in. That's how

1097
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: I felt my career. I felt like, if I can

1098
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: just get it on the green, I felt like I

1099
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: can make it. I appreciate the compliment, Mad, but I

1100
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: think I think Senior was a lot better player than

1101
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: I was. I think you want a couple of majors,

1102
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: and my best was the third out of major. So

1103
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think he's in the Hall of Fame.

1104
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: He probably should be in the Hall of Fame. Um

1105
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: is it a two time major champion? Um, yeah, so

1106
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: I know he wanted made the p G A maybe twice,

1107
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. But he is a Hall of famer

1108
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and a Hall of Fame person. His

1109
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: son is even just as great. Um, he's been helping

1110
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: out my daughter or third game and there's nothing but

1111
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: love for this Docktin's owner here with Lan. I also

1112
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: spoke to Diane Stockton Jnr's wife and Jake's mom, who

1113
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: makes some of the best cookies I've ever had in

1114
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: my life. They are a really special family there. They're

1115
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: up there. I mean as far as just the legacy

1116
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: that Dave Sor will leave behind and and all the

1117
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: things that they've done, not just within the golf world,

1118
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: but outside the golf world. They love to give back.

1119
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: They love people, They love being with people, helping people, Um,

1120
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: sharing all the things that they know about the game

1121
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: of golf and they want to share it. They definitely

1122
01:00:54,080 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: have that, you know, innate sense of wanting to to

1123
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: help others and to give back for sure. John Wardrop

1124
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: on being Junior's roommate at USC and observing Senior over

1125
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: the years. His dad was the dad. I mean, he

1126
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: was a legend there. You know, all American just played

1127
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: the tour, won the p G a twice. I mean

1128
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: the guy, and the guy would come and visit with

1129
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: us and give us bunker lessons or putting lessons or

1130
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: wherever we needed off free equipment. I mean, he was

1131
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: just very generous with his time. And I know Junior

1132
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: just thinks the world of him. I mean, and and

1133
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: and on top of all of that, you know, with

1134
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: these kids that Nicholas and Stockton's, all these kids that

1135
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: come out of you know, being kids of parents who

1136
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: played at the highest level, it's such a an added

1137
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: pressure to try and make it out there very few days.

1138
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: So the senior go on to see Junior go on

1139
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: and play ten years on the tour is just freaking incredible. Really,

1140
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: I asked John Ashworth, who's the caretaker of god Hill Park,

1141
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: what do thinks when he sees three generations of the

1142
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: Stockton's all teeing it up at his mini municipal. First

1143
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: of all, I'm beaming ear to hear, I'm smiling, I

1144
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: feel warm and fuzzy. Uh. I love it. Uh. You

1145
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: know it has not that it's become old hat or

1146
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: anything like that, but Junior and his son Jake have

1147
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: been playing up there pretty steady for the last you know,

1148
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: four or five years really, uh so that I'm used

1149
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: to seeing them. And then of course Senior, you know,

1150
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: he's been out there a fair amount in the last

1151
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: year and a half anyway. So yeah, overall, I mean

1152
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: it's just you know, here's a living legend. Dave Stockton

1153
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: Senior arguably should be in the Hall of Fame, and

1154
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: some day will be, let's hope. So so back to

1155
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: the fire Pit offices, a few days away from the

1156
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: Herdsman and the day they'd all play in a practice

1157
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: round together again. That video is on fire Pit Collective

1158
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: dot com. Here Senior on his expectations going into the

1159
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: weekend and how Hill Captain, his grandson is this weekend

1160
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: about what what what's about to transpire? Where you're coming in,

1161
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna all be there, and you're gonna be playing together,

1162
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, and practice around. Is that the beauty of

1163
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: the game of golf? I think it is. But for me,

1164
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking of Jake probably ten years from now,

1165
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: not necessarily this weekend, because he's still in the learning stage.

1166
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna grind him pretty hard, whether we

1167
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: win or lose. It doesn't make any difference to me.

1168
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: He's gonna walk out with some ideas. It's going to

1169
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: help him down the road, you know, because I'm not

1170
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: satisfied having I'm glad that he's playing. I know he's

1171
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: got the physical ability, and but he's doing like the

1172
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: story with Junior from Milwaukee, with Junior telling me I

1173
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: hit the wrong shot on a hole, I made a

1174
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: two one. You know, that's kind of what I want

1175
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: him to waken up to realize. Is he's looking at it.

1176
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm already trying to figure out. I know we ride cards.

1177
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm always I'm already figuring out how much I'm gonna

1178
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: for him to walk because I want him, I want

1179
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: him to slow down. I want him to be That's

1180
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: going to be one of the things, Like the January story.

1181
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just got a lot to impart, but

1182
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: this is just a small stepping stone. Whether whether I

1183
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: get to do it again or not, I don't know,

1184
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: but it's you know, he's gonna walk away being impressed.

1185
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: That just what what we transpire between us over the

1186
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: three days. You've already made your point about the emotion

1187
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: around the idea that you're coming into this weekend, and

1188
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: and but isn't isn't that? Isn't that The fact that

1189
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: you guys can all go out and have this experience

1190
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: together the essence of golf. Absolutely, that's That's what, like

1191
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: you said alluded to earlier, what makes this sport so

1192
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: special is you can have generations go out and play

1193
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: a sport that you love and and have those memories

1194
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: and those those experiences together that you'll never forget, that

1195
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: you'll always have with you knowing that this is going

1196
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: to be happening between your dad and your son. You're

1197
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: gonna be off doing your thing and you might be,

1198
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: but that's happening regardless, which is so cool. I'll be

1199
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: the first one to ask how they did and curious

1200
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: and hopefully we all end up in the shootout at

1201
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: the end. That's that that would be That's my dream

1202
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: is you and ash and and my partner and I

1203
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: am I'm dad and Jake will be in the shootout.

1204
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: That would be fun. That would be fun. Jake, What's

1205
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: what is it is for you? I mean, I mean,

1206
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: you're probably competitive guy, you want to do great, But

1207
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: is this for you at your age? The essence of

1208
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: this game is that your is this kind of when

1209
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: you think of golf, you think the idea that I

1210
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: get to go play with my dad and my grandpa

1211
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: and this is kind of a family thing. Yeah. Like

1212
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm extremely excited, like probably the most excited I've ever

1213
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: been to play golf, to be honest, for this weekend.

1214
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: And it's yeah, I'm just really looking forward to getting

1215
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: out there. I just wanted there, And he's like, I

1216
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: want it to happen right now. I want to go

1217
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: right now, Like I just wanted to start. When your

1218
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: grandpa gets on you and he's coaching you and he's

1219
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: teaching you and he's giving you tips or he's telling

1220
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: you to walk or that that you love that, I

1221
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah. I always take it and soaks it

1222
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: all in. That's so cool. In the end, it was

1223
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: actually John Worgrop and Scott Nagel who won the Herdsman beating,

1224
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: among others Junior and his partner, Senior and his grandson

1225
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: and of course me and Ashworth. But we end this

1226
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: podcast with three generations of favorite fire pits. You have

1227
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: a favorite place that you sit around and fire pit

1228
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: or listen to Torris stories or tell stories and doesn't

1229
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: necessarily actually have to be a fire pit, but a

1230
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: place where you tell stories. Yeah. So my friends, actually

1231
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: my best friends. I have American mateo, two best friends

1232
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: from here. Mark just moved out to Philadelphia and at

1233
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: his old place, we had this fire pit. It was

1234
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: our old fire pit that we gave them and we

1235
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: always put it in the backyard and they they bought

1236
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: his mom bought like three palelets of fire inwood for us.

1237
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: And we've just been like every night we go over

1238
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: to his place because that I can't fire, just hang

1239
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: out and just it's always nice. Yeah. And it's got

1240
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: like a whole view. You can see the lagoon and

1241
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: calls bad right by, um right by yeah yeah, um,

1242
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: the ocean. Everything, it's medreful. You got a favorite fire

1243
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: pit right there at the goat, Baby, that's the fire

1244
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: mean that that's when the sun setting. After playing the

1245
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: Skins game on Friday, and you grab a lagger from

1246
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: the pro shop and you sit down and you get

1247
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: the firepi going and you get the sun setting. It's

1248
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: one hell of a way to bring in the weekend.

1249
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: You have a favorite fire pit. Yeah, but it would

1250
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: be a toss between Zambia, Manitoba and Alaska anywhere I'm hunting,

1251
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: good fire pit after a hunt. Yeah, that's hopefully they're

1252
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: opening up Manitoba in ten days, so next year we'll

1253
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: get the we'll get the bear hunt. Now. I just

1254
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: that's what I enjoy. I enjoy being out in the

1255
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: wilderness or on top of a mountain in Alaska where

1256
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: we got our dolls, sheep and the rain, the Wrangle

1257
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: mountains above the Copper River. You're looking down on it

1258
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: forty mile high kid and carrying everything on your back

1259
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: and grizzly country. Yes, that's the next documentary we're gonna

1260
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: do is Hunting with the Stop. Those are our family

1261
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: trips growing up as a kid. Most families go on

1262
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: vacations and they go to Hawaii or they go to

1263
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: some resort and that, and the mom goes to the

1264
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: fall and the daggoes plays golf. Our family trips were

1265
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: around the world hunting and fishing. You worked to hunt,

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Speaker 1: hunting fish. Yeah, yeah, because I could. I could get

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Speaker 1: in shape, especially during the duck hunting, waiting and stuff,

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01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: because you put on weight during the golf season. You

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01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: after your wife tells you need three meals a day

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01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: and all this stuff and which you do which you don't.

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Speaker 1: But I I just enjoy getting away. I enjoyed. That's

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01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: why one of the aspects of dealing with people and

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01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: teaching them, I asked them what their hobbies are, and

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01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,839
Speaker 1: my hobbies are the outdoors where I can. It's funny

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01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 1: that you can't picture what you did wrong in in

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01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: mar Arch, let's say, or April the masters, until you're

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Speaker 1: sitting on a mountaintop in November and all of a sudden,

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01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: it just comes to you. It comes to you what

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01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: what you've done wrong and what you need to straighten out.

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Speaker 1: So that's always been my my go to is in

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, looking forward to taking Jacob to Manitoba

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Speaker 1: and uh, just the experience is That's that's what I'm after.

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Speaker 1: That's you know, the voices get quiet, you get you know,

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01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:34,679
Speaker 1: nothing nothing quite like it. Put another log on the fire.

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01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 1: Nobody here is get the time. The Americans moved to

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01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: a fourteen thirteen advantage going to the final pair of

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01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: the day, all they would need to earn the cut

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01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: back is a half point and the tension overwhelming Hailer

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Speaker 1: when it's seventeen. For Paul, everything resting now on burnt

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01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: hard longer, longer for par at seventeen, and so they

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01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 1: would move on to eighteen. All square moments in Ryder

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01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: Cup history longer with the five ft for par after

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01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: Irwin had bogey and it was as if all the

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01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: air on the American coast was let out. A historic

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01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,759
Speaker 1: US victory regained the Ryder Cup, and some field changed

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Speaker 1: this event forever, turning an event into a gigantic spectacle.