1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone to Bachelor Happy Hour. We are here 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: with Rachel Lindsay Part two. Let's get into it that 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: did you even have time to process or be sad 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: or did you immediately go into anger? Because I would 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: have been angry having to read that in the tabloids. 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: Over in person conversation, I write about. 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: Finding out about the spousal support, like I didn't even 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: that's insane. 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 3: As much as you can. 10 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: Tell us, yeah, I know, I've wont buy her book. 11 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: We're going to be reading the book. 12 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 4: And the book isn't like just a it's like it 13 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 4: takes you through a journey, like it's the Essays Ago, 14 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 4: so it takes you through. 15 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 5: Like the journey of it. 16 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 4: But I write about trying to describe what that moment 17 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 4: felt like. So I don't want to give too much 18 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 4: about that, but yeah, I mean it's you're it's so 19 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 4: much because it all comes crashing crashing in. Like I 20 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 4: woke up that morning thinking, okay, like I probably have 21 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 4: to start looking if we're an attorney and you know, 22 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 4: like our what's our living situation going to be like? 23 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 4: And I need to go ahead and tell my family 24 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 4: and that kind of thing. But not that so it 25 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 4: all crashed in on me, and then it was just 26 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 4: like go fight or flight, Like what am I going 27 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 4: to do? 28 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: Now? 29 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 4: Everything is rushed when I thought we were just kind 30 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 4: of kind of ease into this. But what I say 31 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 4: is this all could have been very private. We could 32 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 4: have handled it like in mediation. We could have done 33 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 4: the Jason Momoa Lisa Bonet thing where it's like we're 34 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 4: working on it, we file, and then the next day 35 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 4: it's over because we've already worked the whole thing out, 36 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 4: no drama. 37 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 5: But I feel like because it was public, I. 38 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 4: Am meant to talk about it to help somebody who 39 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 4: is either struggling to decide where to go in their relationship, 40 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 4: whether they're married, whether it's a long term partnership. It's 41 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 4: public for a reason, and so the more I have 42 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 4: talked about it, I get a lot of people who 43 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 4: say thank you for talking about it in this way, 44 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 4: because I think there's a lot of shame still in 45 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 4: twenty twenty six when you talk about divorce, especially when 46 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 4: you're younger and there's certain things that you still want, 47 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 4: like a family. I've never dated on apps, it gets 48 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 4: like a whole new world. Now I'm dating post being 49 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 4: on TV. I've never dated. When I dated, before I 50 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 4: was an attorney, I lived in a much more private life. 51 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 4: So there's just so much that I want to talk 52 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 4: about that I couldn't find that kind of information out there. 53 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 4: And then I want to talk about getting through it, 54 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 4: and I feel like I could help somebody else. This 55 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 4: is writing to help somebody else. 56 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 5: Get through it. 57 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 4: Maybe you don't know how to date again, or be 58 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 4: intimate again, or get through the shame or the embarrassment 59 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 4: of it, or you know, like pick up the pieces, 60 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 4: like where do you start? This is my story, but 61 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 4: maybe it'll help somebody else get through it. 62 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 5: But it's crazy. 63 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 4: There's so much I haven't even talked about, and I think, 64 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 4: you know, I do. I see negative things, which I mean, 65 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 4: of course there's going to be negatve there's a positive side. 66 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 5: There's got to be a negative side. 67 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 4: I learned that early, very on, once I stepped into 68 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 4: Bachelor Nation. 69 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 5: You have to be able to accept both. But there 70 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 5: are a lot of. 71 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 4: People who think, oh, you know, she was she's pretends 72 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 4: to be or she was pretending to be so real 73 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 4: about it, and she was presenting this relationship to the world, 74 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 4: but behind the scenes. Obviously that's not what it is, 75 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 4: And to that I would say, it's like, well, what 76 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 4: did you expect. Every time I got on the microphone, 77 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 4: I was supposed to say, oh, I had a rough day. 78 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 4: Brian and I were fighting today. We were arguing today. 79 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 4: It's really tough. And let me tell you exactly what 80 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 4: we were arguing over. We were working on it, so 81 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 4: you know that it was a work and we were trying. 82 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 4: We tried. You know, we were in therapy. We're trying 83 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: to work on it. I'm not going to talk about 84 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 4: the fact that, hey, we're in therapy and we're trying 85 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 4: to work on our relationship. I don't think inviting people 86 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: in in that way would have you know, we're trying 87 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 4: to save it would have helped it at that at 88 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 4: that time. So I wasn't being fake. It's just I'm 89 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 4: living my life. But I'm not giving you every single 90 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 4: detail about it. I wasn't lying. I know I did 91 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 4: the Nick Vile interview that was like a couple of 92 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 4: weeks before. At that time, I did not know we 93 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 4: were about to get a divorce. I knew we were 94 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 4: having issues, but everything I said was true. We did 95 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 4: want to have kids, I still wanted to have kids 96 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 4: because I wasn't planning on Hey, and I'm about to 97 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 4: go file for this force. 98 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 5: So it was real. 99 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 4: It's just I don't think people knew, or maybe I 100 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 4: wasn't being honest with myself about how bad it was. 101 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 4: In the moment, I was also going through a huge loss. 102 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 4: I just lost my grandmother. It was very very close 103 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 4: with my grandmother, Like a few days was either the 104 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 4: funerals a few days. 105 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 5: Before I did that interview with Nick, or a few 106 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 5: days after. So it's just a lot going on, But 107 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 5: nothing was fake. 108 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 4: I mean maybe if I was like, yeah, we're good, 109 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 4: maybe we weren't good, but we were working on it. 110 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 111 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like almost what he did was like 112 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: on purpose to humiliate you. 113 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: I think I said, yeah, I just I when Rachel 114 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: says that, I think of what was he did? Like 115 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: an interview with like a divorce like I don't even 116 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: know coach that was actually. 117 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: The woman real that he said he was like his 118 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: mental health filed. 119 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 4: He said things on that interview that I had never 120 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 4: even personally talked about that were. 121 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: What did he say? 122 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 4: He talked about fertility and it wasn't even the truth 123 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 4: of what he was saying. And I've never other than 124 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 4: saying I wanted to have kids, I've never talked about that, 125 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 4: like I've never nobody knows that, like the story with that, 126 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 4: and I just was like, that's it, that's that's low. 127 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, Like I was like wow. 128 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: And just even the timing of all of that, it 129 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 4: was advertised, it was. 130 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 5: Like, oh, it's going to be part thing. 131 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 4: It was a week after he was just awarded temporary support, 132 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 4: so it's like you just got you know, and all 133 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 4: this is public. It's like, you just got awarded like 134 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 4: thirteen thousand dollars a month. Why are you now putting 135 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 4: out this video? It's just all of it was. I 136 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 4: kept thinking, I can't be surprised about anything else that 137 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 4: comes out, and then something else would happen and it 138 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 4: was like my gosh, like everything it would. 139 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 5: Just shock me. For that whole twenty twenty four. 140 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 4: It's like stuff just kept happening, and I was just 141 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 4: kept saying, who is this person? 142 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 5: Who is this person? 143 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 4: Like people were like what did she do to him 144 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 4: for him to be acting yes? And I can only 145 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 4: fall on he was harboring all these feelings about me 146 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 4: that I had absolutely no idea, because what else could 147 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 4: motivate you to act in such a way. 148 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: I think it's it's so crazy too because when everyone 149 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: and found out about the spousal like support, I think 150 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: you immediately got criticism because they were like, you're a lawyer, 151 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: How did you not see this coming? Didn't he ask 152 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: you not to have the prenup? 153 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I. 154 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: Think did. I don't think I knew that. 155 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 4: There's a lot that gets lost in the prenup conversation. 156 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 4: So at the time that we were gonna get married, 157 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 4: as twenty nineteen, we were way more on equal footing. 158 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 5: I didn't have the success that I had. 159 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 4: I hadn't even I didn't even started the Bachelor podcast 160 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 4: Happy Hour at the time. It was like, right the 161 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 4: wedding was right around the time we started that. So 162 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 4: I was still freelancing a lot. I was investing in myself, 163 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: so I would pay for a lot if I was 164 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 4: doing a TV parents, I usually had paid for my 165 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 4: flight in my hotel, so it was totally different. I'd 166 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 4: stopped practicing law at that moment. That year, in twenty nineteen, 167 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 4: we were on equal footing. He owned a condo in Miami. 168 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 4: He was older, so he had built up, you know, 169 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 4: more of a savings than I had. So when I said, hey, 170 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 4: I think we should get a prenup, and he explained 171 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 4: his reason why, it's and I'm again, I'll write about this. 172 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 5: It's easy to say you would say you would. 173 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 4: It would be a deal breaker for you when you 174 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 4: don't have that person, when you're at that crossroads you're 175 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 4: planning your wedding. It's against some of the things about. 176 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 5: The societal pressure, some of the some other. 177 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 4: Things surrounding it that I was like, I don't want 178 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 4: this to be the reason that we don't make it, 179 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 4: because you never think that that the person is capable 180 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 4: of doing what happened to me. Never in my wildest 181 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 4: dreams did I think that, Nor did I have the 182 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 4: success that I had. And if I did get that, 183 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 4: I thought we would both have it. I could never 184 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 4: have projected that our careers would would be so different, 185 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 4: that the disparity would be so great between us. I 186 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 4: don't think he saw it that way at the time. 187 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 5: Either. 188 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 4: We believed in each other. I believed in him, he 189 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 4: believed in me, And so yeah, I said, I think 190 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 4: we should get it. He said, no, I didn't want 191 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 4: that to be the reason. So I I just was like, okay, fine, fine, 192 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 4: we won't get a prenup. And you talk to people more, 193 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 4: more people than you think don't get prenups. More most 194 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 4: lawyers that I know don't have a prenuph. I think 195 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 4: it's just an easier thing to say. I think it's 196 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: way more common, Thank goodness. I think everybody should get one. 197 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 4: But yeah, like I get I don't even get mad 198 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 4: when people say it. I did it initially, and I'm 199 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 4: just kind of like, you know what, Fine, Yeah, I'm dumb. 200 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 4: I didn't get an attorney. I met a guy on 201 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 4: reality TV. I'm not get an attorney get a prenup. 202 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 4: I met a guy on reality TV. Yes, I'm an attorney. 203 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 4: It's just that shoudn't even matter it's on reality TV. 204 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 4: I should have got a prenup. 205 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 5: I get it. 206 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 3: Yeah. 207 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 4: I mean that could be the title of my book. 208 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 4: I'm dmbe I didn't get a prenup. Like, I accept it. 209 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 4: I just I just accept it. Now people want to 210 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 4: say that, like that's so old. Say something else now 211 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 4: at this point, like it happened that we're divorced, it's settled. 212 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 5: I've paid them off. 213 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: It's someone here. 214 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 5: It sucks, so thank you. 215 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 4: But it's like, it is what it is, it happened, 216 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 4: learned for me. Please don't be me. That's what I 217 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 4: say at the end of the day. But yeah, there's 218 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 4: there's a lot that went around that, and I just 219 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 4: think that it's it's easy. I think if I was 220 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 4: reading the headline out would be like, how did that 221 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 4: girl and I get a prenup? I would do the 222 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 4: same things. I just don't get mad anymore when people 223 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 4: say it. 224 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: I feel like when you get it, or asking for 225 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: a prenup though you're about to start your life with someone, 226 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: doesn't getting a prenup almost feel like you're predicting it 227 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: to end. 228 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: And that's what he's conversation. 229 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: No, And I think that's what a lot of people like, 230 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: you know, I've even asked about it. 231 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh should I should I not? And it's like, oh, 232 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 3: do you love this person? Do you not? And it's like, 233 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: no loving And at the time. 234 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: You thought you could. 235 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 4: The person you marry is not the person God forbid 236 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 4: if it gets that to that point, it's not the 237 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 4: person you divorce. 238 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 5: It's just not. 239 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 4: Because there's things that have happened that have led you 240 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 4: to this place. And so there's this great company called 241 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 4: prenup and they make it very easy for you, and 242 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 4: they have a way of destigmatizing prenups that it's a 243 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 4: conversation of a state planning. You're planning for so like 244 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 4: look at it like that, like we're building something together, 245 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 4: Like it's a it's like an insurance plan. You would 246 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 4: get insurance together, right, so you get insurance for your house, 247 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 4: you get insurance. 248 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 5: For your car. 249 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 4: You're not planning on getting in a wreck. You're not, 250 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 4: but it could happen. You just don't know. 251 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 5: You're not planning on something happening a flood or something 252 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 5: that happened. 253 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 4: But you protect yourself and as you're bringing other people 254 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 4: into your marriage like kids, and you just want to 255 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 4: protect it. 256 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 5: And I think that's the way you look at it. 257 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 4: Look at it like it's this state planning, just protecting 258 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 4: this beautiful future that you're building together. And that's the 259 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 4: way that Hello, prenup talks about it. And so I 260 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 4: think if you look at it through that lens, rather 261 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 4: than you know, we're planning on getting this just means 262 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: like we're planning on our end you're not. You're just 263 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 4: protecting each other and all of this. Yeah, and if 264 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: you trust each other, like flip the word trust, right, Oh, 265 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 4: I trust you, so we're not going to get it. Well, 266 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 4: don't you also just trust me so we can get it. 267 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 4: I just feel like it kind of goes both ways, absolutely, 268 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 4: And you know, I wish I was talking like this 269 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 4: seven years ago when it came down to it, but 270 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 4: I didn't. 271 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: Do you do you feel like intoday, like the present day, 272 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: do you have any I guess I don't want to say. 273 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I know we thrown the word resentment around 274 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: a lot, but do you have like resentment towards like 275 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: the spousal support and having to like go through with 276 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: all of that. 277 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 278 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 4: I you know, it's sad because I thought it was 279 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 4: going to be amicable and I would have loved to 280 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 4: have like be sitting here now with you guys and 281 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 4: like saying like. 282 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, it didn't work out. We just crew different ways. 283 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: And you know, I have a lot of love for 284 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 4: him and all like I wish and I wish him 285 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 4: the best, like I wish that is how it would 286 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 4: have been. I feel none of that, Okay, I feel 287 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 4: none of that and I definitely spousal support was probably 288 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 4: the thing I would not have been. 289 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 5: Would I have wanted to give half of what I had? 290 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 4: No, but I would have been down for that. And 291 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 4: like there were conversations, there was just no negotiating, there 292 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 4: was no compromising. I would have been so fine with 293 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 4: just saying, fine, take half. 294 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 5: But the spousal support is really eats it me. 295 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: Even still to this day, it's like, really, how did 296 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 4: he get awarded that when he quit his job immediately 297 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 4: after your season? 298 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: Isn't that like his decision? 299 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 5: Yes, that was before we were married, so like it. 300 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 4: Doesn't just like like what always gets lost in conversation. 301 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 4: People will be like, well, he deserves half because he 302 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 4: moved for her. He moved to Dallas, he moved to 303 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 4: LA Does nobody remember that I quit being a lawyer 304 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 4: and moved to Miami for a year and a half. 305 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 4: I do not like Miami. I moved to support him. 306 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 4: I moved to supports. Nobody talks about that. But a 307 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: marriage I felt like was give and take. 308 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 5: It's compromise. He moved for me, I moved for him. 309 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 4: That's why I was like, fine, I'll give you, I'll 310 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 4: give you half of it, but the court, it's California. 311 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 5: Is really tough. Every every state is different. We got 312 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 5: married in Florida. 313 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 4: That was another thing reason I was okay with signing 314 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 4: the prenap because Florida is not community property. So it 315 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 4: was kind of like, well if if I didn't think 316 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 4: we were gonna move to La So it's like, yeah, 317 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 4: for saying in Florida too, It's. 318 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 5: It's not it's not California. It's not a say like that. 319 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 4: So it's just what happened was while he got rewarded 320 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 4: so much, a temporary it's they take your tax returns, 321 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 4: what did you make over the marriage versus with this person, 322 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 4: and they split it in half. And so because he 323 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 4: was building a business and wasn't making anything, which again, 324 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 4: if you think about what I just said, it refutes 325 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 4: it refutes some of the things that he said because 326 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 4: if you know, everything was so great in Miami, why 327 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 4: was this disparity so big? But it's just takes like 328 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 4: what I made what he made monthly, and they split 329 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 4: it and that's how you it got thirteen thousand. It's temporary. 330 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 4: It's temporary. So once once to be settled on the divorce, 331 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 4: that that payment was no longer necessary. So that's another thing. 332 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 4: People think I'm still paying thirteen thousand. That ended the 333 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 4: moment that we settled. God like, I settled on the 334 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 4: amount of spousal support as well. 335 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 5: That's part of the reason. 336 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about this before. I just cannot 337 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: understand how this man is not embarrassed me too. He 338 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: took much from you. It feels like to start a 339 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: new life without you, without you even knowing that this 340 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: was going to happen. 341 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, it you. 342 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 4: Know, I was really angry about it in the beginning, 343 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 4: and then I realized that I had to let go 344 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 4: of that to move on. I let go of it 345 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 4: earlier than I thought. So even when I talk now, 346 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 4: I'm not angry, you know, do I hate like, I 347 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 4: don't like the spousal support part of it by any means, 348 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 4: I still don't. I don't agree with that, and I'm 349 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 4: not angry about it. But yeah, I would think you'd 350 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 4: be embarrassed. But I guess, you know, I, yeah, he 351 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 4: took money for me, But I guess I got to 352 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 4: look at it like it's money that I earned. 353 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 5: I can make it back. 354 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 4: It sucks that I, you know, felt like I was 355 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 4: doing things financially right, and I was putting money in 356 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 4: certain places and I was building something and he took that. Yes, 357 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 4: but I made it before and it may take me longer, 358 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 4: but I can make it again. I'm like, you had 359 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 4: to take because you never made it, and like so 360 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 4: I just kind of just it's easy, kind of when 361 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 4: I put it in that context. 362 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 5: To let it go. 363 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, you had to do that, but I made it. 364 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 4: So it's like I've I can do it again. I 365 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 4: just have to kind of, Yeah, I just I believe 366 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 4: in myself. That's why I said before or maybe one 367 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 4: of you said it. It's like it took a year, 368 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 4: you know, Yeah, it's a financial setback for sure. 369 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 5: It still is. I'm like crawling out. 370 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 4: Of a hole with it. But I paid it off 371 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 4: in a year. I'm still standing. I still have things. 372 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 4: I feel better than ever. I'm working and building. 373 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 5: Thank you. 374 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 4: So it's like you didn't you didn't, you didn't take 375 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 4: for me kind of likes things that mean the most 376 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 4: you didn't take. In certain ways, I've blossomed so much 377 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 4: more post divorce that almost divorce has been a doorway 378 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 4: for me for so much more, Like it's opened excuse me, 379 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 4: it's opened up the door. I don't want to say 380 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 4: he did me a favor, but it's like, yeah, he 381 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 4: took money, but he. 382 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 5: Like didn't take me for me, you know what I mean? 383 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 4: Like yeah, like so it's the things I have are 384 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 4: so much more valuable than that. 385 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 5: It sucks, but yeah, yeah, absolutely. 386 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: You really are such like I mean, I know it's 387 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: like probably insane for me to say this, but like 388 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: always have been an inspiration, but just like how you 389 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: carry yourself and just find yourself like able to carve 390 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: paths that I think for a lot of people like 391 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: struggle with for a really long time. It's it's just 392 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 2: for all of us, just an inspiration. And I think 393 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 2: that's the best way that you know, I could I 394 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: could frame it without making something heavy like divorce, like 395 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 2: you know, but. 396 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, we appreciate it. 397 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: You have a barrier, you break through it and then 398 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: trans that like to a level that's like it really 399 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: is so insane, And I think so many people, I 400 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: for one, cannot wait to read this book. 401 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 4: I I gotta get you. 402 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 5: I got it. I thank you for saying that. 403 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 4: That's so sweet, And I also want because and this 404 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 4: is again why I wrote the first one because going 405 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 4: back to how The Bachelor Bachelorette portrays us, and it 406 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 4: makes it seem like we have all the answers and 407 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 4: we figured it out. I wanted to write a book 408 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 4: that shows that a lot of the most of the 409 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 4: times I don't, but I work through it, and that's 410 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 4: hard and messy or whatever, and I get to another 411 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 4: side of it and I learned something from it. 412 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe I'm still learning. 413 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 4: That's how this divorce is. I want you to know 414 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 4: that I can talk about it now. I'm two years 415 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 4: past that that dreadful day of the filing, and I 416 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 4: get emotional when I think about where I was on 417 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 4: that day. 418 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 5: I've never felt that. I hope to never feel that again. 419 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 4: But when I think about that and then where I 420 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 4: it now, that's what I want to write about because 421 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 4: I did not think I could get through that. 422 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 5: I really had. 423 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 4: I was unrecognizable to myself and then I would have 424 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 4: to put on a face to podcasts or to do 425 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 4: an event. But I was a shell of myself for 426 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 4: a while, and I really want to write to that. 427 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 5: So thank you. 428 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 4: I'm so glad that that's the way you see me now. 429 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 4: But it took a lot of work and a community 430 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 4: to help me get back to a better place, and 431 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 4: I really want to speak about that, Like, yeah, I 432 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 4: want to give the t and I want to explain 433 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 4: certain things that maybe answer people's questions of why I 434 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 4: might have had might have had have to put on 435 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 4: a face, or why there wasn't stuff on social media, 436 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 4: or why I said. 437 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 5: This in an interview. I want to explain that. 438 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 4: But I also want people to understand the work and 439 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 4: the journey and the hard days and that get you 440 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 4: to this place, but that you can get there. 441 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 5: And that's really that's really what the book is about. 442 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 5: You too, can you can get them And it's going. 443 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: To be so helpful for like, yeah, I mean women, 444 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 2: but like everybody, Like there's like you said, it's a 445 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: lot more common than I think people know, or just again, 446 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 2: it's not really an open conversation and this is just 447 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 2: going to be helpful for so many people, so I hope. 448 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 5: So, yeah, I have to. 449 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: Tell you you're the only bachelor biography memoir that I've read, 450 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: and I rented missed Me with that at my library. 451 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: I remember renting it, and I love especially for this 452 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: book because I feel like there's so many things people 453 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: talk about you online, and you kind of let people 454 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: like run with the narrative. And I love that you 455 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: just get good finally take this book and be like, 456 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: here's like what happened and if you want it, read 457 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: it and buy it and pre sale and I'm so excited. 458 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: Are you done? You still? 459 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 5: We are working on it. 460 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 4: I have written it, written quite a bit, but I'm 461 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 4: not done by any means. It's funny like I'll have 462 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 4: these conversations and then I think of something else. Oh wait, 463 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 4: something you were gonna say, not the book, not miss 464 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 4: me with Oh gosh. 465 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: That's people just like run with the narrative. 466 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 5: Thank you. 467 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: Just kind of like I feel like a lot of 468 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: times I never see you clapping back or talking about 469 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: what actually happened. 470 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 4: I like, I'll give a little like bread crumbs. I 471 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 4: used to when I came off the Bachelor Bachelorette. I 472 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 4: used to clap back at people all the time, by 473 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 4: the way, like I'd be on I would say stuff 474 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 4: and then I was like I have to stop. I 475 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 4: have to like this is Rachel. They don't they don't 476 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 4: know you. 477 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 5: The people that know you, gee, that's it. 478 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 3: I used to I'll get there. I'll get there. 479 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 5: I used to. 480 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 4: But I have to give credit to my lawyer, shout 481 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 4: out to Laura Wasser, because she was kind of I 482 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 4: wanted to fight back in the divorce with the media, 483 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 4: Like I kind of was like, I have a microphone, 484 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 4: you know, I've worked in it. I know how to 485 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 4: use the media to get the narrative out there that 486 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 4: I want. And she was just like, don't do it, 487 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 4: don't do it. It's and I'm so glad. I think 488 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 4: the divorce would have gone on longer. I think that 489 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 4: I would have become obsessed with that. I think I 490 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 4: would have lost myself in it. It was just just 491 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 4: been so much messier. And it was like, let people 492 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 4: just talk. 493 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: Let him talk. 494 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 5: That's the game that he's playing, play the long game. 495 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 5: Let it in. 496 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 4: And I got myself together. Remember I said I was 497 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 4: a shell of myself. 498 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 5: I wasn't. 499 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 4: So if I would have been doing that, it would 500 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 4: have come from such a bad place. Now I've done 501 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 4: the work, so I can write from a place of 502 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 4: healing or you know, because I'm still healing, I will 503 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 4: I'll never say that I'm you know, I'm not fully 504 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 4: healed right now, but I can write from such a 505 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 4: healthier place. And I'm so glad that she gave me 506 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 4: that advice and told me not to do that. And yeah, 507 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 4: and so it's like now I can say it. I 508 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 4: could say it all at once, you know, we could 509 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 4: be done. I could tell my story, my narrative and 510 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 4: get that said. Like, I never leaked anything to the media. 511 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 4: I might have said something on my podcast and it 512 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 4: got picked up, but I never played that game anything. 513 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 3: I didn't do that. 514 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 2: It was really good you you held it down. But 515 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 2: speaking of letting people talk before we leave, we obviously 516 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: are so curious to know what is your future in 517 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: this franchise, what does that look like? 518 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 3: Can you answer that? 519 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 4: I mean, as bachelorettes, you can always keep me near 520 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 4: and dear. I love the bachelorettes. You know, it's like 521 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 4: there's such a bond there. Sometimes, you know, we have 522 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 4: a group chat. Sometimes we talk all the time. 523 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 5: We don't talk. We go months. 524 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 4: One of these days, trist is going to be successful 525 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 4: in planning that bachelorette trip. 526 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: True, you could do nothing without Trist. 527 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 4: So great, so great, and when we all get together, 528 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 4: there's just so much love. So you know, by heart 529 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 4: is with the bachelorettes the future of the franchise. 530 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 5: Who knows? 531 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 4: Did I think five years ago that I would be 532 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 4: sitting back on Bachelor Happy Hour with two bachelorettes talking 533 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 4: about the franchise from something we filmed that I was 534 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 4: a part of. 535 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 5: No, so who knows? Who knows? Who knows? 536 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 4: I mean, I will be on anything ANYTIMEE sued. I'm 537 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 4: not planning on popping back on anybody's season except for 538 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 4: what we already did as bachelorettes. But yeah, you know, 539 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 4: you never know. 540 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 5: You'll talk five more. 541 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: Years, never know, you never know. 542 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 5: I can't now. 543 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 4: Look I'm here now. I thought no, but you know 544 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 4: it's not letting you've changed. 545 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 6: Yeah, I have to tell a story. 546 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,479 Speaker 1: One year ago, me and Rachel were at dinner and 547 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: this is for Megan's for Meganize, And this is when 548 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: I was in my Hinge era and I was swiping 549 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: on Hinge and I found Brian on Hinge and I 550 00:25:53,960 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: reported him for domestic terrorism. I'm that man's probably still 551 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: on the app to this day that I need people 552 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: to know that I'm out here doing the work. 553 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 4: I love that level of pettiness that. 554 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: You have a Hinge and right after as he. 555 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 4: Should, as he should, I mean, listen, I should not 556 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 4: know and you were doing the work on yourself. 557 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: He's on hinge it how to have been early? Whin's 558 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: Megan's birthday? 559 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 5: Megan's in June? 560 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, or summer. 561 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 4: I feel like they say when a woman has done, 562 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 4: she's been done for a while. That's so true, and 563 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 4: even working on it, like you know it's over, but 564 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 4: you're still just like I want to say that I 565 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 4: tried every single thing I could before it's ending, but 566 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 4: like you know, you know it's done. But I feel 567 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 4: like I put myself out there. But I haven't been 568 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 4: on a dating app, but I on dating apps before 569 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 4: we got together, so it's not shocking that you know, 570 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 4: he was on the app after Like that's that's his 571 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 4: form of dating, so it doesn't shock me. 572 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 5: Should good for him, but for. 573 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 4: Me, I feel like it didn't take me as long 574 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 4: as I thought to just go out there and have fun, 575 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 4: Like situations just kind of presented. 576 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 5: Themselves to me. 577 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: Well, of course, I mean, and. 578 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 4: I but I was a shell of myself, Like it's 579 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 4: all right about it. But the way you feel after 580 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 4: something like that, the way you feel after something like that, 581 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 4: it's just you know, I yeah, yeah, Like I have 582 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 4: another friend going through a divorce right now, and I 583 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 4: feel like I've become her coach. 584 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 5: She's like, well, how do you feel about this? 585 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 4: I'm like, gosh, I gotta write this because there's so 586 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 4: many people who have questions about the little things. But yeah, no, 587 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 4: I that's so hilarious. I love that so much too. Yeah, 588 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 4: I'm totally dating again, and it's it's you know, for 589 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 4: him again. 590 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 5: I good luck. 591 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 4: I mean, everybody gloves everybody, but I do. I think 592 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 4: people are easier on men. So I don't think I mean, 593 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 4: I don't think it'll be hard for him by any means. 594 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: I think it should be. 595 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 5: I don't think it'll be. 596 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 4: It maybe, but it you know, I maybe he's better, 597 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 4: who knows, who knows, I know my experience with him. 598 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 4: Look at me being nice. 599 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: I know, Rachel, if I know nice, Maybe I'm paying. 600 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just still not over I'm so angry, you know. 601 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 4: Maybe he's different, Like that's my experience with him. I 602 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 4: just I would I would hope that he's not out 603 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 4: here raising terror, like like it's not the same with me. 604 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I like this. 605 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 5: I think it's I couldn't written book last year. Last year, 606 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 5: it would have been a burn book, like. 607 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 4: He is, yeah, no, no, no, no. 608 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 5: But that's that. 609 00:28:50,520 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 6: I love that story and truly, I I'm excited. 610 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: Are you going to share anything in the book about 611 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: how your dating life has been? 612 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: Oh? 613 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll probably 614 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 4: I'll talk about like some of the dates because like 615 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 4: my big one of my biggest fears about dating. And 616 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 4: I mean, Charity, you're not in this conversation. 617 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: But this is. 618 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 5: I do you fear that someone? 619 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 4: Because I went on this one day and the guy 620 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 4: did not know I was the bachelorette, which is great, 621 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 4: but it naturally is going to come out because I 622 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,239 Speaker 4: have to say I'm divorced, and then it's then it 623 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 4: becomes well how did you meet your ex husband? 624 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 5: And then you have to talk about it. And so 625 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 5: immediately when I. 626 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 4: Said it, he was like, oh that's right, Like I 627 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 4: remember when everybody was talking about it. Then they want 628 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 4: to ask questions about your experience. So it's like, are 629 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 4: you getting to know me because you like me and 630 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 4: you want Mike, you want to get to know me 631 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 4: because that's part of my story, or are you just 632 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 4: so curious about what it's like to be on reality TV. 633 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 4: And that's the scariest thing about dating post Bachelorette. 634 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 5: Are you in it for me? Are you just in 635 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 5: it to my story? Are you curious? So you've probably 636 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 5: had I have the. 637 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: Same exact story. I was seeing a guy and I 638 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: met him through someone and he somehow didn't have social media, 639 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: and I kept it from him for so long, but 640 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,479 Speaker 1: it got to the point that he'd be like, Oh, 641 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: how do you know this friend? And it would be 642 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: like my friend Genevieve who was on my season, And 643 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, eventually I do have to tell him. 644 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: And right after I told him, man, and then you 645 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: go back and forth and you're like, I don't want 646 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: to lead with this because this isn't who I am, 647 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: but it's such a big part of me, and it's 648 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: so hard to find someone and Charity knows that I'm 649 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: going through this that is supportive and can understand me, 650 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: because it feels like sometimes if they have not been 651 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: through it, they can't understand. 652 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 4: Right right, you become now the reality TV star and 653 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 4: they probably have had all these pre conceive notions about 654 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 4: or assumptions about what a reality TV star is. 655 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 5: And so they start to look at you through a 656 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 5: different lens. 657 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 4: It's almost good to just get it out at the beginning, 658 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 4: but I it's. 659 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 5: That's the scariest part about it. 660 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to leave with it because then also 661 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: what kind of a person are you? If you're like, oh, yeah, 662 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: you want to like be with me because of that. 663 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 4: Or you get the you look familiar, Oh that is 664 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 4: where do I know you from? 665 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm like you tell me. 666 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 4: And then you're like me, you try to say everything, 667 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 4: but you're like, I'm like I just have one of 668 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 4: those faces. 669 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 5: And they're like no, no. 670 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: No, I saw you on ESPN like no, yeah, I was. 671 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 5: There, Like they keep pressing right, just give it up, 672 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 5: like oh well I have a podcast. 673 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 4: No no, And then I'll try to say like, oh, 674 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 4: are you from Texas. 675 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 5: That's not it. 676 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if I told that, but she saw 677 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: you on billboards most likely I get. 678 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 4: It's like oh, and then they're like that's it. When 679 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 4: you finally have to say it, and. 680 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 5: It's like oh, here we go, here we go. 681 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, are you with someone now or are you still 682 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: like dating around? 683 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 5: No, I'm dating someone. Yeah, yeah, I love this. 684 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: I know, I know, but we are obviously so happy 685 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: and so excited for you. This is such like a 686 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: new chapter for you, and no one is more supportive 687 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: than me and Charity. 688 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 2: We're just happy this book club and we will be 689 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 2: to a book club. 690 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: No, I want I should you just hear Rachel wants 691 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: to do a book with us. 692 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 4: Should we do like a bachelorette reading time? 693 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: It's just I'm already saying I'm putting in the group 694 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: chatwards my phone. 695 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 5: No, actually know, I gotta finish. 696 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: Everyone hit pre order as soon as this goes on sale. 697 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I gotta finish this. That's yeah, I feel tired 698 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 5: to go. 699 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 3: We'll make it happen. Don't you worry? 700 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: You have no idea what's about to happen? 701 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 5: I know, guod thing people are like, didn't you sign it? 702 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 5: Didn't you have an NDA in your settlement? On purpose? 703 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 5: That purpose? 704 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: That was? 705 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 3: That's a smart thing. 706 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: That you can take your money, not your voice, not 707 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: my story, not my story. 708 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 5: That's like a thing. 709 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 4: It's it's temporary, right, money goes especially at La. 710 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: Good luck and he's still here in La. 711 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's crazy. 712 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I cannot I cannot still wrapping my head. 713 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: I know, we like we could not be more happy 714 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 2: that you decided to come back on the podcast you started. 715 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 3: We're not we're literally not going, but it's crazy. 716 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 4: It's your podcast here, and like it's so I'm so 717 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 4: excited for you guys. I said this at the beginning, 718 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 4: but this is how it started for me seven years ago. 719 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 4: That's your happy hour. I really feel like I curated 720 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 4: my voice, my opinion. Everybody who works here is so supportive, 721 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 4: you know, like you learn to say things that because like, 722 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 4: let's just dispel this myth. Everyone's like, oh, it's corporate. There, 723 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 4: you're saying what you're supposed to say. 724 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 5: No, you're not. 725 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 4: You might have to interview somebody you don't want to 726 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 4: want to, but these are your opinions. And I'm like 727 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 4: just so excited to see where this takes you. 728 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 5: It really does like it. 729 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 4: I never could have imagined starting here would lead me 730 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 4: to do so many other things, but yeah, you guys. 731 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 5: Are gonna be crash. 732 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 1: No literally, and Charity weren't even born into Bachelor Nation yet, 733 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: and hopefully we can carry your legacy a little. You 734 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: already are you always have just done so much for 735 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: this and hopefully you can give us. I'm gonna call you. 736 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: We have to start interviewing the men. 737 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 5: Because okay, okay, I'm gonna take something back. 738 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 4: So I am watching this season and I you know, 739 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 4: I'm on the Ringer Network and they have a Bachelor podcast. 740 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 4: So well, this is news, you guys. This is I'll 741 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 4: give you this breaking news. I'm totally going to recap 742 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 4: with them on the show, which means the best news 743 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 4: I've heard all this, which means. 744 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 5: I'll be watching and I'll be up to date. 745 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 4: So I would come back on your show and talk 746 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 4: about the season because. 747 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 1: I'll be watching. Can you guys hear this? I would 748 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: do that. 749 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 4: For this season, for this season because I'm already doing it. 750 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 4: It's like why, how why would I not come back 751 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 4: and like do a show with you guys watching, Because 752 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 4: now I have seen the man. 753 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 5: I'm mad. I need to person you. Oh yeah, you 754 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 5: need to come in person. Yeah yeah, make it make 755 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 5: it for like mental yeah are I'm not going to 756 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 5: the recording. I'm not gonna go. I'm not gonna go. 757 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm pushing the film, pushing my boundaries. I said she's coming. 758 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 5: Please, I'm not gonna go do that she gives. 759 00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: Us an inch. 760 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 4: We're like and then you but I will record with you. 761 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 5: Guys, I've already regarded We've. 762 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: Got some iconic interviews with men of the Bacherette, and 763 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: I feel like we have so much to look up 764 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: to in that way, Like your interview with Jed is 765 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: obviously iconic. 766 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 5: It was one of the first. If was it it 767 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 5: was I think it was the first. 768 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: Was it? 769 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 4: If it wasn't, it was right, It was like top 770 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 4: it was like one of the first three. 771 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: And I talked about this before you came in that 772 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: he came in so happy, so. 773 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 4: Let's beget because I just knew no one else was 774 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 4: gonna go. Like I had so many questions, and I 775 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 4: think that that was like if I'm gonna if I 776 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 4: would give any advice, It's like say the things that 777 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 4: people are too afraid to say, ask the questions that 778 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 4: people are too afraid to ask or they can't ask. 779 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 5: And that was me. 780 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 4: It's like I have so many questions, shed like and 781 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 4: I don't know you, like I'm not reading for you, 782 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 4: like I'm teeing Bachelorette, so like like you had to 783 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 4: know coming in, like I am here to support Hannah 784 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 4: in all things. 785 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 5: So yeah, like I think bring that energy. 786 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 4: I mean like you're nice too, because I was like 787 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 4: that with Brendan because like my girl, I was. 788 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 5: Like, Okay, here we go. No no, no, no, no 789 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 5: no no. 790 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 4: He had not been on I was. I was not 791 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 4: recording that when he was on. I was so bothered 792 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 4: by him when he was on Paradise. I don't think 793 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 4: I was doing I can't because I was yeah. 794 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't remember what year was that. I think 795 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 5: I think it was after. 796 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 4: I feel like I wasn't podcasting for Bachelor Happy Hour, 797 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 4: but whatever, I couldn't have been because I was so upset. 798 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 4: I went on I went on Bachelor what is the 799 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 4: ringer one called Bachelor Party. I went on Bachelor Party 800 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 4: to give my opinions. 801 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 5: So I so, but I did. 802 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 4: I wasn't nice to Noah when he came on. I 803 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 4: wasn't nice to there. I wasn't nice to Brenton. I 804 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 4: feel like when he came on, I wasn't. 805 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 5: But you know it came. 806 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that, but we love no No So 807 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: I was totally nice and then so be nice but 808 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: like asked them the hard question. 809 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 3: But sick, don't be afraid. Okay, good to know. 810 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: Because we've it's kind of been easy because we've had 811 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: people on who I feel like we've had a little 812 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: bit of relationship and we're able to like talk, But 813 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: when we got to you gotta separate it the hard question. 814 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 5: I actually think that might be easier. 815 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 2: It's like when you don't like I mean, it is 816 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 2: easier just from like for banter purposes for people you know, 817 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,919 Speaker 2: but like interviewing, it's like I kind of what Rachel said. 818 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 3: It's like I don't know you. I don't like there's 819 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 3: no loyalty here. 820 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 2: It's like I don't have to sit here in tiptoe 821 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 2: around what's appropriate to ask. 822 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 5: Don't get over it. Like I would say things and. 823 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 4: Like I don't think Pilot Pete likes me, but I 824 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 4: you know, like you'd say, I'd say things and you know, 825 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 4: and then i'd see them and I'd be like, hey, 826 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 4: what's up. 827 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: Did anyone say you said this about me? Yeah? 828 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 4: And I'd be like, put your problem, like you know, 829 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 4: I would just be still nice, like I have a 830 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 4: job to do whatever, it's fine, Like it's you know, 831 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 4: I'm too week good job. But I was gonna say 832 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 4: something about the the thinking that not ticking the knife 833 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 4: in But. 834 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot. 835 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 4: I was going to give you advice about about something 836 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 4: about about. 837 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 5: Not about people not liking you. Oh, I can't remember. 838 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 7: Confront in person about what we said, not that it 839 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 7: was something along the lines I was gonna say, oh 840 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 7: oh oh, yes, came to me, thank you y vance. 841 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 5: So I yeah, I recently. 842 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 4: Is in the book I've been recent with ADHD explains 843 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 4: a lot so and I'm I'm testing out doses and 844 00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 4: every time I like it's too low. 845 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 5: He's happening. 846 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 4: I have to go through it, like I have to 847 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 4: keep having the avoyments with a psychiatrist because he's like, 848 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 4: it's like it's not working. So I Lisa G. Shout 849 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 4: out to Lisa G. She's in was in the Telepictures Family. 850 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 4: She's a trailblazer, she's a legend. She told me when 851 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 4: I worked at Extra, and this is what I'll tell you. 852 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 4: She said, two things should always come out. 853 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 5: Of your interviews. 854 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 4: You either need to break make news right like break 855 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 4: some news, which you guys did. I just said that 856 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 4: I was gonna be on Bachelor Party recapping. And two 857 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 4: she said make a moment like create a moment because 858 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 4: it's very. 859 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 5: Hard to break news. 860 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 4: It's very hard to get somebody to tell you something exclusively. 861 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 4: So make a moment. That moment might be in your question, 862 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,399 Speaker 4: that moment might be in your reaction to something. That 863 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 4: moment might be something you reveal in within the interview. 864 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 5: But that's that. 865 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 4: I will give you what she gave me the legend 866 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 4: for a reason, and I took that into every interview. 867 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 5: So make a moment or make news. 868 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: And you do it may be in reporting somebody for 869 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: domestic terrorism, and. 870 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 3: That is such a Literally I came to dinner. 871 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 1: I was like, Rachel, I have to tell you something. 872 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: She didn't even know I did it. It was like 873 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: probably a couple of weeks before I forgot. I was like, 874 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: I have to tell you that I forgot. 875 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 6: She's like, what you could do that? 876 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: Well? I reported him and I wrote it in the 877 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: little No. 878 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 2: You can report anything because and will with pleasure. 879 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: You're already doing it. 880 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 4: You're already doing it, saying you every every episode will 881 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 4: be great if you can do one of those are 882 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 4: both well. 883 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 2: I have so much to learn, but hopefully can we 884 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 2: have a whole season and years ahead of us. 885 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 5: Absolutely, onward and thank you. 886 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 3: Guys so much. Rachel think, Yeah, I'm like, I'm counting 887 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 3: down the days. 888 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 4: For you to come back like truly and to make 889 00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:58,879 Speaker 4: it a good one. 890 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 5: I'm staying still March, so fingers crossed. 891 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 1: So can you tell us? Oh wait, side note, we 892 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: want to do an episode in Carry's apartment because I 893 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,760 Speaker 1: know you got his very first interview effort. Because Rachel 894 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: is his favorite, we cat it be known. Would you 895 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: come if we did an interview in Carry's apartment? Say no, 896 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, we just talked about dresses. 897 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:21,399 Speaker 5: I have a key. 898 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 1: We can carry this apartments. 899 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 5: Maybe I just might, or you. 900 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: Can in the kitchen and we can look at you 901 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: come through. 902 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 3: Maybe Okay, Bachelor happy hour at Carrie. He's like the 903 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 3: true bachelor happy hour. 904 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: That will be a happy hour a little. 905 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 3: That's a little moment. 906 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 5: I'd be down for that. Okay, I'd be down. 907 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 4: That's legend to legendary to not do to and you. 908 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: Did the first one. He said he would never be 909 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 1: on a podcast, and you got him. So we need 910 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 1: you there. I will be there. 911 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 5: I can't say no to my care beer. 912 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh, I don't even want this to end. 913 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: I feel like we can't thank you enough. You are 914 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: just such a legend. I think, beyond what you know, 915 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 1: every Bachelorette has so much to learn from you, but 916 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: even just what you've done after, I think, yeah, we 917 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: just can't hype you up enough. You are so incredible. 918 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: So I know the viewers think the same. Thank you 919 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: so much for being thank you. 920 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 5: Thank you, guys so sweet. 921 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 4: I have such a hard time taking a compliment, so 922 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say thank you. I'm not going to 923 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 4: be self deprecating because that's today, but thank you, thank you. 924 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 2: You deserve it all, and you've paved the way for 925 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 2: so many of us. Just legendary, truly, and it will 926 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 2: live one it will and I hope you know that. 927 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 5: Thanks so guys, Yes. 928 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: Well, we hope everyone enjoyed this as much as we did. 929 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,439 Speaker 1: And we can't wait to have Rachel back. So thank 930 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 1: you again, Oh. 931 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 3: My god, yes, yay, and thank you to all of 932 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,839 Speaker 3: our listeners. Be sure to subscribe. 933 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 2: We have more exclusive interviews coming your way for this 934 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 2: upcoming season of the Bachelorette, But until next time, We'll 935 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 2: see you guys soon. 936 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:56,280 Speaker 1: Hi,