WEBVTT - #305 - Matt Ox 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.040 Hey, you here with mad Ox were on a bootleg 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.400 CAAB podcast. You know what's going on? New project with 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:12.200 Surf Game dropping April twenty Boutlet CAB Podcast Special guests 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:15.360 in here matt Ox boy, what's good with a game? 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.800 What's up? Buddy man? You know living this La lifestyle? 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:20.840 You live here now? No, I've been out here for 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.160 the month though. Oh okay, I feel like I'm just 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:24.880 you know, it's like second home now. I've been coming 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.240 out here since the kid. You feel me, I'm always 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:29.240 in La every couple of months, you feel me. Well, 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:32.559 now you're like officially eighteen, right, finally. Yeah. It's kind 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:34.600 of crazy because like I feel like when the overwhelming 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:38.760 song what were you twelve? Like eleven? Yeah? Crazy like eleven, 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.480 twelve yeah, twelve, Yeah, I'll probably like turning twelve where 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:46.159 you originally from Philadelphia, phil Yeah, and raise. That's crazy. 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.040 So you pop off at twelve years old in kind 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:53.320 of like peak SoundCloud era of music. Yeah, I feel 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:54.760 like we kind of have seen you kind of grow 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:58.320 up in front of our eyes. Yeah, man, for you, Like, 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.560 how's it feel to kind of finally it to being 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:06.240 an adult? It's crazy, I mean it's just I felt 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:08.280 like an adult for a the longest time because I've 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.280 been doing so much grown stuff, like just going out 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.959 the clubs and like stuff like that, like strict clubs 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.759 and like since I was like sixteen, you gonna shit 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.520 like that. Like it's just like ever since a kid, 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:21.880 I've been living this grown lifestyle. You feel me, right, 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:26.040 It just now it's just like I kind of been 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.200 doing all that stuff, so I'm kind of just trying 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.800 to focus on the business now. You feel me just 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:32.679 mature with it. You feel me I'm having fun though, 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.240 But do you feel like like growing up in the 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.080 rap game, you kind of lost a lot of like 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.959 of your innocence, you know what I'm saying. And yeah, 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.880 but I mean everything that I go through is destined. 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.240 I feel like I knew that I wanted to be 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.200 a rapper ever since a little kid, like and it's 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.280 like the shit I was doing. I was drawing myself 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.680 out on a piece of paper performing in front of 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.520 the crowds when I was like ten, and then a 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.279 couple of years later it interesting came true, like twenty 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.320 thousand people in the crowd, you know what I'm saying, 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.720 Like Mad Decent show with Diplo. You know what I'm saying, Like, 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:05.960 and it's just a year after I wrote that on 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.200 a piece of paper. It's like, it's crazy. It's crazy 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.920 coming from Philly because your music is obviously like more 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.600 like melodic, more like you know, you know when when 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:16.240 I hear your shit, I don't really hear a lot 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.000 of Philly influence. If you will, Yeah, well, is it 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.440 safe to say you really as a kid the whole 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.520 like Philly meek male, free way shit kind of like 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:29.680 missed you. Yeah, I never like I listened to that 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:34.960 type of stuff, but I never like was like trying 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.480 to do stuff that everybody else was doing. Like I 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:39.840 was literally making this for my soul, like I knew 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.200 I wanted to make music. You gotta understand, Like I 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:46.079 was working with all the big producers that was that's 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.040 popping right now, like right for sure, like Filthy, working 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.800 on Dying, like the people that just did Cardi Hoole tape. 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.799 Uh yeah, produced a lot for the Poland song for 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.399 YACHTI Like those are the guys you're working with? Yeah, 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.480 like eleven, you know what I'm saying. So, like we 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.640 was creating a whole new sound in the city with 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:06.160 the trash shit and like just like people know, like 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:07.880 if you ask around, they gonna know, you know what 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.600 I'm saying, So like they where when I was a kid, 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.160 I was just posting a bunch of like Twitter snippets. 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.640 I was freestyle on Twitter, and they found me on 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:18.680 Twitter and they would just send me a bunch of beats. 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.640 And then from there we just start going crazy and 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:25.120 like just making a whole new sound. And then that's 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.680 what made it it stick out, I feel like, right, 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.960 and then a lot of my early stuff was actually 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.320 trenched out like it was real like rap. I mean 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:34.800 like a not a lot of people here, but like 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.640 the real ones, know, like Michael Myers low Key, those 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:41.720 were way before Overwhelming. Overwhelming wasn't my first song. Overwhelming 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.480 was just something that we planned out so it could 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.560 go up, you know what I'm saying. With the fidget spinners, 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.680 with the kids on the block, fidget Spinner gang man, 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:51.360 I think if God, I think five years ago, I 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.960 think of fidget spinners and I think of you. Yeah, God, 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.760 that's what everybody say. It was like we capitalized on 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.000 it without even trying, you know what I'm saying. What 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.360 happened to fidget spinners are just out. Yeah, I don't know. 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:04.520 I ain't see a Fisher spinner in a minute. Those 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.600 things were fucking lit for a while. It was right, 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.240 So give me like for you, man, because I do 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:14.880 feel like anytime, you know, you go through such a 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:20.200 real fast path to fame, viralness, et cetera, especially at 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.440 a young age, there's probably a lot of stuff that's 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.400 hard to deal with, you know, stuff that you probably 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.039 looking back on. Is there anything that you feel like 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:30.840 you took from that era that you learned from or 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:32.680 any mistakes you feel like you might have made? It? Yeah, 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.919 I didn't been through deals on deals and and like, 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.200 how many deals have you been signed to too? Like 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.000 two major deals, I mean two major labels. I was 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.240 signed up Warner Brothers at first and then Motown with 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:48.560 Capital and you're free agent out now, free agent independent. Fully, 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:53.240 I just I had too because I ain't never took 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.440 that route and I wanted to since the beginning of 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.000 my career. It was just a lot of stuff that 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.800 was it was like, it was just a lot of 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.119 stuff like you know when in the beginning of your career, 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:04.919 it's like everybody coming to you with deals, Oh, you 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.039 gotta do this, Oh you gotta you feel me? So 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.359 then but I luckily I got out of both of them, 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.960 and now I'm able to do what I want, drop 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.040 when I want, I want, and you feel me. And 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:16.960 it's like one thing I learned from that, Like every 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.600 sign artists want to be independent. Every independent artists want 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.800 to be sign. It's like you gotta take what you 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.360 got and really take advantage of it for sure, whatever 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:29.120 situation it is, how involved, Like how involved has your 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.680 mom been in your career? Always like she's my manager 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.719 right now, so so your mom is like steering the ship. Yeah, 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.320 I mean in the beginning, she was scared, like I 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.000 had it for I had not for it, but like 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.400 I had to kind of like help like be like 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.240 it's cool, You're gonna be good, like you could do 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.279 this you know what I'm saying, Like cause she was 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.320 scared to be a manager, like she ain't know nothing 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.359 about the business. We ain't know nothing about the business. 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.200 Were coming in, you know what I'm saying, Were coming 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.360 into this like really trying to figure it out. It's 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.159 gotta be kind of hard because like the motherland stinks. 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.600 Kick in, but you're also a popping rapper right, so 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.480 that you're around a bunch of shit this hella. But 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:05.640 my mom had me at fifteen, so in the beginning 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.000 it was like she was kind of scared, but then 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.280 she got so your mom had you when she was fifteeneen, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.760 it's like blood assister relationship almost, like we just we 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.200 closed like that. You feel like, how does your mom 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.960 now he's thirty two? Damn, I'm older than your mom. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:25.760 Motherfuck yeah, it's crazy, shout out to mom. Yeah, your 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.080 mom by turn thirty three. It's about to be your 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.239 birthday on the sixteen Happy birthday to month day. Damn. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.120 So your mom and you were just kind of figuring 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.680 this shut out as a pretty much we together. You know, 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.400 all this up you feel I'm still in school, and 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.919 then pretty much all that stuff happens years later. I 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:42.520 didn't even get to go to high school. I had 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.600 to drop out before I even went to high school, 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.119 So you never even got to make it to ninth grade. 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.400 I went homes school, and it was to the point 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.640 where it was like the homeschool wasn't really doing nothing right. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.839 So I was ended up just like like just copying 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:01.000 past and everything, just like cheating pretty much like it 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.360 was just too easy, you know what I'm saying. So 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.600 like I just realized, like, bro, you could do your 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.960 own research. You know what I'm saying. We have computers 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.400 and phones now, which is like AI is killing our 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:15.320 brain slowly, but at the same time, it's learning. You 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.240 can learn from it because it's creating a bigger, iCloud brain, 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:22.560 you know what I'm saying. So I feel like that's 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.480 what's happening right now. So did you get a GED 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.640 or anything or did you just kind of you know, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.280 I ain't do nothing. I ain't get no GD I 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.520 dropped out, dropped out. So when was the last time 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.120 eighth grade we were in school? Seventh much? Yeah, I 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.160 don't even remember the grade it was on. It was 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.440 on the computer, so it was all online. Yeah, you 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:46.400 can't even hear. That's crazy. It's like at first, because 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.200 at first I had to go home school because everybody 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.760 knew me you were popping at school. But then everybody 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.880 had to go home to school because of Corona. COVID. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:58.600 Yeah yeah, damn, but there it is, man, I'd say, Kobe, Yeah, yeah, 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:03.280 COVID Corona, same shit. It so fast forward to now obviously, 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.280 you're eighteen, now you got new music coming. Do you 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:11.560 feel like being independent is more like does it fit 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.280 fit you more? Because you can kind of drop when 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.280 you want. Yeah, I feel like and now that I'm eighteen, 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.520 I could finally be myself, you feel me Like before 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.600 it felt like I had to keep certain shit like secret, 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.000 just stay low key because like it's like I don't 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.240 want to get caught up and it means like like 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.360 my mom, I don't want my mom get caught up 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:30.720 or nothing because I'm a minor. You ge know what 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.680 I'm saying, meaning like what like because you do what 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:35.120 I need to do, do what I want to do. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.200 You know what I'm saying, Just be out, pardon whatever 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:39.920 I want to do. Were you doing like a ton 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.680 of drugs? No, I wasn't doing no druggs. Well that's good, 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.240 like everybody around me was. But it's like you gotta 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.080 keep a strong mind, like so you never participated in 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.680 any of the fuckeryn It's like you gotta know when 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.439 to draw the line, like everybody around me be doing 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:57.800 crazy shit, Like I didn't been in parties where everybody 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.000 sniff and shit. Like in the first show, I had 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.439 people off a keademy. My mom there. You know what 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.720 I'm saying, was your mom off academy. No, I don't know. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:07.719 I'm not going to do none of that ship. Well 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.360 that's good at least she passed that down to you, 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.480 because that would have been super easy for you to 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.440 like Noah, Because Bro, I've seen it from the jump, 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.880 like people tweaked out and my shoulder just tweaked out. 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.880 I never wanted to do like, I'm never going sniff 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.319 nothing in my life. You feel me? Maybe if I'm 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.000 in Columbia with a badass you mean, but like other 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.000 than that, I ain't doing in that ship. You feel me? 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.040 Gotta be right. You know you haven't been to Columbia 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.160 yet obviously no one day. Well you're eighteen, ow you 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.800 can go where you went? Man, you got your passport yet? Yeah? 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:38.599 I got my patport. Yeah, been here my paessport. I 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.400 had to go to London in Paris when I was 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.240 like thirteen. So crazy walk like a fashion show with 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:48.280 I saw that. Yeah, yeah, it turn his channel up 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.280 all the way up. Uh. Yeah, I think it is 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.240 kind of crazy because I do feel like you were 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:58.080 kind of like you had a crazy run, bro, because 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.560 you ended up going super doing the fashion show, shit, 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:03.960 working with X. How did you want X? Initially link 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.360 up dms like that pretty much. I looked up to 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.000 X like my whole like that was my favorite artist. 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.840 You got know what I'm saying. And I would DMO 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.480 and then he hit me back like but the way 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.200 mm me bad was like he knew me, like it 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.160 was my friend already. You you know what I'm saying. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.080 And when we would chop it up, he would just 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.960 tell me so much like info on like just like 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.160 what to do and how to do it, like write 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.120 out your own deals all that type of shit, like 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.640 just real grown game. You get know what I'm saying, 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.080 like big bro shit, you feel me. But we never met, 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.200 but we would always chop it up online. Yeah, Like 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.920 we were FaceTime for hours though, you feel me, like 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.560 just talking you know what I'm saying, like play the 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:44.640 game together, all that type of shit. And then but 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.520 we never met, but we were all and I would 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.760 send them music. He was sending me shit and then 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.439 we made the song and he put it on the album. 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.840 It was like three people on that album. You you you 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.800 know what I'm saying. Was it huge? Was Joey Badass 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:01.600 on the Y and Travis uh Berker. Yeah, that's crazy, 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.040 that is wild because that is a important album in 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.120 history now we look back, that was his first, Like, 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.640 that was his first album. Yeah, no, it was, Well, 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.640 wasn't that his first full length album? No, it was 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.199 maybe was it seventeen or the question mark? Seventeen was 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.040 his first? Okay, then it was a question mark because 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.200 a question mark was on. But he was always dropping 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.360 project like right from the jump, like little mini projects 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.280 and stuff like that. But yeah, his full first project 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.480 was seventeen. I'm pretty sure. Do you remember what your 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.960 last like exchange with him was before he passed away? 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.120 Probably a FaceTime call. You know, we would just chop 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:36.680 it up. I would send him music, you know. I 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.280 was sending them a song. I was sending him this 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.000 song I was working on for him. He was supposed 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.400 to hop on because when we did the song for 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.800 his album, it was like a swap, so he would 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.320 give me one for my vice versa. I was supposed 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.200 to have another song, but we never got it done. Damn, man, 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.120 tell me the story about Drake trying to buy one 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.120 of your records. Oh so the reason I didn't do 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:58.839 that was because I was cool with X, you know 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:00.719 what I'm saying, and like, and there was that kind 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.760 of like weird beef that. Yeah, they had that shit 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.640 going on. So I just stayed out the way of that. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.400 And then on top of that, I linked that with 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.960 my boy like oogie pretty much so he could just 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:13.760 get the beat. And now they got to buy So 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.240 what was it? So it was a It was a 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:16.679 so Drake was trying to buy a song that you 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.160 had already like cut. Yeah, I already made it. It 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.880 was called Message, and uh, my manager pretty much told me. 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:27.280 My manager at that time told me that, uh, they 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:32.679 was trying to buy a song for hundred and fifty thousand, 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.800 and I just denied it cause it was like how 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:38.760 to respect the X? Yeah, ou to respect the X? 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:42.640 And then you know, it was just it was like 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.520 pick aside. You know what I'm saying to your side, 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.880 You know what I'm saying. And I just I mean, 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.200 he did a solid for you put on that's my 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.200 brother too, you know what I'm saying. Beyond all that. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.480 So I just had to stay down for that, you 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.120 feel me? But yeah, and now you say that producer's 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.319 got tons of musical Drake. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. 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