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Speaker 2: Someone we've heard Vice President just dance fans say things
Speaker 2: like that ICE officers are immune to prosecution, and Steven
Speaker 2: Miller decided to take it the full full end of
Speaker 2: basically saying ICE officers could do whatever they want and
Speaker 2: they will be pardoned is quite quite bad and like
Speaker 2: something that's going to lead to very bad outcomes, but
Speaker 2: most of all, also something that's going to continue to
Speaker 2: make them very unpopular.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically this is what Stephen Miller said, and he
Speaker 1: said it on television because so much of this is
Speaker 1: performative to all ICE officers who have federal immunity in
Speaker 1: the conduct of your duties. By the way, they have
Speaker 1: qualified immunity. Qualified immunity is not the same as federal immunity.
Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily mean that you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: If anyone lays a hand on you or tries to
Speaker 1: stop you or tries to obstruct you, they are committing
Speaker 1: a felony. Also not necessarily true, because it's not how
Speaker 1: many of this works. You have immunity to perform your duties.
Speaker 1: And no one knows city official, no state official, no
Speaker 1: illegal alien, no leftist agitator, or domestic insurrectionists can prevent
Speaker 1: you from fulfilling your legal obligations and duties. That's not true.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely not true. And the Apartment of Justice has
Speaker 1: made clear that an official crosses the line into obstruction
Speaker 1: into criminal conspiracy against you. Says are against ICE officials,
Speaker 1: the officers, they will face justice. That is not correct.
Speaker 1: That is, they have qualified immunity the what police do too.
Speaker 1: And also Stephen Miller has now he sees that these
Speaker 1: ICE agents are getting a lot of pushback for what
Speaker 1: they're doing, and he sees that this polling is not popular.
Speaker 1: And because he's Steven Miller and because Trump two point
Speaker 1: zero is this insane mechanism where they just go full authoritarian.
Speaker 1: He's just doubling down on it. He's saying, do whatever
Speaker 1: you want, do as much as you want. What's going
Speaker 1: to happen here is what happened in Minnesota, but worse right,
Speaker 1: they're going to do worse. They're going to hurt more people,
Speaker 1: and they're going to kill more people, and there's going
Speaker 1: to be more of this until the Trump administration stops
Speaker 1: doing it, and they're not going to stop doing it
Speaker 1: on their own. And I think that's what we have
Speaker 1: to understand here. Like we always say, like Republicans need
Speaker 1: to stand up to them, and people say, well, they're
Speaker 1: not going to stand up to them, okay, But until
Speaker 1: they do so, this continues. And so maybe they don't
Speaker 1: feel like standing up to them, maybe the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: doesn't want to say no Trump, that's enough. But until
Speaker 1: they do, it just gets worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 1: And we are not even done with your one. So
Speaker 1: that's what's so stupid about this whole fucking thing is
Speaker 1: that you can say, oh, Republicans are cowards, They're never
Speaker 1: going to stand up to him. They are cowards for sure,
Speaker 1: no one's arguing with that. But until they do, it's
Speaker 1: just gonna get worse and worse and worse. So like,
Speaker 1: until Tucker Carlson and every dipshit on Fox News says
Speaker 1: you got to stop shooting people in the face, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna stop. So again I implore you, as a
Speaker 1: listener to this podcast, like all of us need to
Speaker 1: be talking to our representatives, especially the Republican ones, and saying, look, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta tell him it's not okay to have a
Speaker 1: gestapo going through Minnesota, ripping special education teachers out of
Speaker 1: their cars and breaking windows because they're fighting against some
Speaker 1: enemy that doesn't exist. I mean, that's how we got here.
Speaker 1: We are not a country at war, right, Immigration is
Speaker 1: a net negative now or a zero. This is not
Speaker 1: a country that needs a secret police force. This is
Speaker 1: an authoritarian who's using a secret police force to punish democrats.
Speaker 1: I mean, the only reason they're in Minnesota and not
Speaker 1: somewhere else is because of that dipshit Nick Shirley, who
Speaker 1: had that dumb piece about fraud that had happened two
Speaker 1: years ago where people were already in jail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is sad since the second Dick Shirley's
Speaker 2: journalism has stood up to Eddie Rigger. We've seen that
Speaker 2: it fell apart. Soboley Representative Seth Moulton, who is primary
Speaker 2: ing Senator Ed Markey in the far left set a
Speaker 2: seat of Massachusetts, has introduced ICE to funding bill and
Speaker 2: he's calling the issue shut down worthy. What do you
Speaker 2: make of this?
Speaker 1: He's right, they should shut down the fucking gummery over Ice.
Speaker 3: They should.
Speaker 1: I agree, the spending package right now gave ICE seventy
Speaker 1: five billion dollars and they're funded through twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 1: You know who's not funded through twenty twenty nine, anyone else?
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just fucking madness. They are doing
Speaker 1: a reparable harm to our communities, to our country, and
Speaker 1: Republicans should abse fucking lutely shut down the government over
Speaker 1: this bullshit. One hundred percent. Malton said, the one beautiful
Speaker 1: bill nearly triples ICE budget. ICE's budget at a time
Speaker 1: when American families are losing their health insurance. He didn't
Speaker 1: quite say it like that, but it's true. And he said,
Speaker 1: we want to extend ACA premium tax credits. They shouldn't
Speaker 1: be lapsing now again. I think a lot of them
Speaker 1: have already lapsed, and I think that there's not going
Speaker 1: to be a way to save that. But the thing
Speaker 1: that we do know is we can shut down this
Speaker 1: seventy five billion dollars that's going to ice. And if
Speaker 1: they shut down the government, that's the first to do it.
Speaker 1: And you know, you may not see that on CBS News,
Speaker 1: that is true.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking a lot about the platform formerly known
Speaker 2: as Twitter, known as X and it's Ai Robot Croc
Speaker 2: who this week awone has had reports that suggest both
Speaker 2: Australia and the UK and Canadian governments are going to
Speaker 2: ban X because Groc keeps undressing underage girls and things
Speaker 2: like that and there's no guardrails on it, and that
Speaker 2: is by design. It keeps turning into a white supremacist.
Speaker 2: In fact, it did it twenty seven times. Because Elon
Speaker 2: thinks this is based and with that are very questionably sober.
Speaker 2: Department of warhead Pete Hegsith has decided they should turn
Speaker 2: Grock over to run the Pentagon and do analysis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, Elon mash he has head to
Speaker 1: free reign on our government. And I think it's important.
Speaker 1: Like when Elon is always like, oh, there's fraud in
Speaker 1: the government. Like you worked in the fun government. Doje
Speaker 1: cut lots of government contracts. So the idea that he
Speaker 1: just needs more time to go back into the government
Speaker 1: and fuck Moore shit up is pretty hilarious to make.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this. So Pete Hagsath, who is both
Speaker 1: a moron and very likely an alcoholic, has decided that
Speaker 1: the Elon Musk artificial intelligence chatbot white supremacist because that's
Speaker 1: how it's been trained. Grock will be integrated into the
Speaker 1: Pentagon's network, including classified systems, as a part of a
Speaker 1: broader initiative to help Republican donors. I'm sorry to initiate
Speaker 1: and incorporate AI technology across the military. Speaking at SpaceX,
Speaker 1: which is headquartered in South Texas, which has a governor
Speaker 1: who will do anything Donald Trump wants. His name is
Speaker 1: Greg Abbott. Heigsas said, groc will go live inside the
Speaker 1: Department of Defense this month and will join Google's generitive
Speaker 1: AI engine. There are so many reasons why this could
Speaker 1: end in disaster. We just have to hope that the
Speaker 1: grown ups at the US military are giving Pete hag
Speaker 1: Sath the blunt knife and the kitty spoon and not
Speaker 1: letting anywhere near the nukes.
Speaker 3: Oh god, so stupid.
Speaker 2: It's very stupid. Speaking of stupid, Senator Alissa Slotkin of
Speaker 2: the Great State of Michigan says that prosecutors are investigating
Speaker 2: her after a video about legal orders, just like what
Speaker 2: they went after Senator Mark Kelly for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we know this to be true because they
Speaker 1: did this to Mark Kelly. And if there's one thing
Speaker 1: we know about this administration, it's they're just going to
Speaker 1: do it to everyone.
Speaker 2: The other thing we know is they're going to send
Speaker 2: somebody very incompetent after them aka Judge box of Wide Piro.
Speaker 1: Yes, she found out an inquiry and from the office
Speaker 1: of Jeanine Piro. Again, it's worth remembering Donald Trump. He
Speaker 1: yelled at his people for not doing enough for him,
Speaker 1: and then the next day Judge of Wine started investigating
Speaker 1: the chairman of the FED. She started investigating Lissa Slockin.
Speaker 1: This is how it goes right, Judge box of Wine
Speaker 1: wants to make her big boss happy. The good news
Speaker 1: is these people are morons, right, Like they're trying to
Speaker 1: go after j Powell for a renovation that went over budget. Okay,
Speaker 1: j Pal I'm no fan of any of these people, but.
Speaker 2: Are my favorite announcements. A renovation that would overbudget aka
Speaker 2: every renovation the history of America.
Speaker 1: Also, when they were in the if you watch the
Speaker 1: video of the two of them going through the FED renovation,
Speaker 1: he goes and he goes, we'll cost three billion dollars.
Speaker 1: In j goes, no, two billion doors, and Trump goes, no,
Speaker 1: three billion dollars. And then he goes to see and
Speaker 1: Jay Powell looks and he goes, you added another building.
Speaker 1: I mean, these people they're just not smart. And thank
Speaker 1: God for that, because otherwise we would all be completely fucked.
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Speaker 1: Molly Jong Fast. You know how many Democrats there are
Speaker 1: in the House of Representatives two hundred and thirteen? Oh
Speaker 1: you're so smart? Seventy back the impeachment of Christy Nome
Speaker 1: or is we like to call her a st Barbie?
Speaker 1: Why doesn't everyone where are the other hundred and four day?
Speaker 3: It was just like today or yesterday? This was brought
Speaker 3: up the impeachment, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's let's give him time because it
Speaker 1: was only I mean, a woman was shot, a mother,
Speaker 1: thirty seven year old mother shot in the face three times,
Speaker 1: but that last week, I mean, how many moms have
Speaker 1: to get shot in the face before Christy gets impeached?
Speaker 1: Two three four.
Speaker 3: I am not one to give the Democrats a pass. Molly.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 3: Seventy on day one, and I would assume probably still
Speaker 3: growing as we speak. I'll kind of take that. I mean,
Speaker 3: by the end of the week it should be d thirteen.
Speaker 3: It's unreal. I mean, they could literally spend every waking
Speaker 3: minute that they are in session doing nothing but impeaching
Speaker 3: various officials, and that would be a good use of
Speaker 3: their time for me.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: So much has to be done about what's going on now.
Speaker 3: But Christynome, RFK Junior. There's no point me even listing
Speaker 3: them because it's probably one name for each of the
Speaker 3: seventy members of Congress that right now have stagged on
Speaker 3: to this.
Speaker 1: What I think is important about the Christynome impeachment, and
Speaker 1: what I think is important about impeachment in the House
Speaker 1: we're at large right now, is that Mike Johnson is
Speaker 1: a terrible speaker, and he has a one vote majority
Speaker 1: with four vacancies. There are two hundred and eighteen Republicans,
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirteen Democrats, four vacancies. Here is a
Speaker 1: moment where Democrats can get things passed as a dischurch petition,
Speaker 1: which means they put together something, they go around leadership,
Speaker 1: and they make it happen. Could you see a discharge
Speaker 1: petition for impeaching Christy nom get through? I can. I
Speaker 1: can't because you'd see that the Obamacare premium expansion, they
Speaker 1: got seventeen Republicans to vote. So if you can get
Speaker 1: seventeen Republicans, if you can get five Republicans, and so
Speaker 1: I do think there's a chance. Now, look, it's going
Speaker 1: to go to the Senate. It's going to die at
Speaker 1: the Senate. But you know what, when we talked about
Speaker 1: the Epstein stuff, right, the Epstein discharge petition, no one
Speaker 1: thought that was going to get to the Senate. And
Speaker 1: it got to the Senate and no one thought it
Speaker 1: was going to get through the Senate. It got through
Speaker 1: the Senate and everyone thought Donald Trump is going to
Speaker 1: veto it, and Donald Trump couldn't veto it. Now the
Speaker 1: DOJ is completely fucked and so they didn't release any
Speaker 1: of the stuff. But like, nobody could have seen that coming.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think the makeup is so dysfunctional
Speaker 1: and what Trump is doing is so insane that I
Speaker 1: would not bet against an impeachment.
Speaker 3: I would bet against it but but no, it is possible.
Speaker 3: I think the Obamacare subsidies. I don't know that that's
Speaker 3: an apt comparison, because that is stuff that I think
Speaker 3: people in the districts of these Republicans wanted that. They
Speaker 3: certainly weren't doing it because it was the right thing
Speaker 3: to do. They were doing it because they were worried
Speaker 3: about how it would play back home. I don't know
Speaker 3: that impeaching Christy Nome gets you that same you know,
Speaker 3: regardless of what the polling is on Ice, I don't
Speaker 3: think it gets you the same thing. I think Epstein
Speaker 3: also falls more in that Obamacare subsidy thing, where it's like,
Speaker 3: clearly people wanted this to happen.
Speaker 1: Except this is the problem with this moment in American life.
Speaker 1: None of this shit stops until people stop it. And
Speaker 1: so it's gonna just get worse and worse and worse,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna see more videos and people getting the
Speaker 1: shit kicked out of them and get pulled out of
Speaker 1: their cars and get shot in the face, and eventually
Speaker 1: people are either going to be like, either they're gonna
Speaker 1: they're going to impeach her and they're gonna stop it,
Speaker 1: or it's gonna be every blue state, and by the way,
Speaker 1: this is happening in non blue states too, And so
Speaker 1: I do think, like, yes, we should be cynical about
Speaker 1: these people because they're politicians and they got us to
Speaker 1: this moment. But I do think like they are all
Speaker 1: we have between between like us being Venezuela two point zero.
Speaker 3: We wait, I think we agree, Like I think they
Speaker 3: should go ahead with you know, motions.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's just gonna get worse and worse
Speaker 1: and worse. There is no other third choice, Like Trump
Speaker 1: is not gonna be like, oh, this was bad, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stop doing it.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know, Like I said, they could be doing
Speaker 3: nothing but working on impeachment paperwork, and I'd be fine
Speaker 3: with that. The argument that you don't do it because
Speaker 3: it's not gonna succeed doesn't work for me. Here. You
Speaker 3: still do it. Sometimes you do something because it's the
Speaker 3: right thing. Even if you think the odds of emerging
Speaker 3: victorious are slim, or even if you think the odds
Speaker 3: of emerging victorious are none, it's still the right fucking
Speaker 3: thing to do. Yeah, So you do it, and it's
Speaker 3: still getting it on the record and getting it out
Speaker 3: there that these people have to be held to account.
Speaker 3: And if something like this fails, now, all right, you
Speaker 3: know we got midterms coming up, we got twenty twenty
Speaker 3: eight coming up. There's absolutely nothing that says you can't
Speaker 3: do it again. So I'm not advocating for waiting till
Speaker 3: you have a majority or anything like that. I'm saying
Speaker 3: I'm the opposite. I'm saying, do it now. If it fails.
Speaker 3: You know, all right, you did a dry run, and
Speaker 3: then in twenty seventeen, if you've got majorities, you do
Speaker 3: it again. You wait, twenty twenty eight, you do it again. Whatever.
Speaker 3: But the trail, like you said, this stuff is not
Speaker 3: going to stop. It's just going to get worse. And
Speaker 3: the trail of opposition has to be firmly established. You
Speaker 3: can't wait until all the stars align and all the
Speaker 3: ducks are in a row and say, okay, now we
Speaker 3: can oppose this stuff. And look, this is where both
Speaker 3: Schumer and Jefferies drive me absolutely nuts, because you know,
Speaker 3: they never seem to understand that the moment is now.
Speaker 3: It's always we can't do that. Now. We have to
Speaker 3: talk about the economy and only the economy, as if
Speaker 3: people can't hold multiple thoughts in their head at the
Speaker 3: same time, and as if it's not important to actually
Speaker 3: do the right things sometimes, And that's where this falls
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I also think that the ICE numbers
Speaker 1: are bad and they're only going to get worse. The
Speaker 1: public sentiment on ice. Nobody wants this, nobody likes it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's only going to get worse. So I
Speaker 1: think that's also true.
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree with that. You know, I've seen people saying,
Speaker 3: I think you were wonder to n actually that abolish
Speaker 3: ice is going to be the moderate position for me.
Speaker 1: I would never have said that in my life. By
Speaker 1: the way, fancy white person like abolish ice, I'd be
Speaker 1: like that, you know, I'd go on television and say
Speaker 1: things like, you can't have politicians who say abolish ice. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't want to vote for a politician who says
Speaker 1: who doesn't say abolish ice, like this mom was murdered
Speaker 1: because she was blocking traffic, right, Okay, if we're just
Speaker 1: going to murder random people because they're making you mad, like,
Speaker 1: that's not how any of this is supposed work. No.
Speaker 3: First of all, welcome to the dark side, Molly. Are
Speaker 3: we glad to have you? But you know, beyond abolish
Speaker 3: ice being the moderate position, abolish ice has to be
Speaker 3: the first step. Like, that's not the end all be all.
Speaker 3: You don't just abolish ice and then say all right,
Speaker 3: you know, then make the Las Vegas blackjack dealer handwave thing.
Speaker 3: It's going to have to go for than a polis
Speaker 3: is all. I'm saying. There's going to have to be
Speaker 3: ramifications for the Christy Knows, the Vinos, the people like that. Actually,
Speaker 3: why do you get the.
Speaker 1: People who get fifty thousand dollars in a cave a bag?
Speaker 1: Tom Holman?
Speaker 3: I can not imagine who you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Tom Holman on the weekend Sunday shows. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about this. I know it's not breaking news, but
Speaker 1: so Kristin Walker is like, you got fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: in a cave a bag? And he's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just a beautiful moment of like a man
Speaker 1: trying to say he didn't get fifty thousand dollars in
Speaker 1: a cave bag. My question is, Tom Holman, what kind
Speaker 1: of taxes did you pay? Did you pay those as
Speaker 1: income taxes? Was that? Did you pay it as a
Speaker 1: capital gains? I mean, did you not pay taxes on
Speaker 1: the fifty thousand dollars you got in a caba bag.
Speaker 3: I mean, is that gambling wings Maybe.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, I don't know. It must be, it must be.
Speaker 3: Or you have to It's like like when Oprah gives
Speaker 3: you a car, you have to pay the you have
Speaker 3: to pay the taxes, right, Yeah, yeah, I guess you
Speaker 3: had a.
Speaker 1: Kaba bag filled with fifty thousand dollars and you get
Speaker 1: a kava bag.
Speaker 3: Go on, yes, no, I can say, I guess. I
Speaker 3: guess you have to admit that you got a bag
Speaker 3: filled to fifty k before you can pay taxes on it.
Speaker 1: So, by the way, my favorite part of that story
Speaker 1: is they weren't even investigating him. I know they were
Speaker 1: investigating someone else, and you just wandered in and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll take that fifty thousand dollars in a cava bag.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Truly we are.
Speaker 4: We are being run by.
Speaker 1: The dumbest, most corrupt Yeah. True or false? Like the
Speaker 1: stupidity is saving us a little bit.
Speaker 3: True. I think a lot of them are stupid. I
Speaker 3: think there are some who aren't stupid. I don't think
Speaker 3: Stephen Miller is stupid. No, I think he's evil, right.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's stupid. Christy Noam, I think is
Speaker 3: pretty stupid. Tom Holman doesn't seem like the brightest.
Speaker 1: Bulb, but I think it's worth Like, for example, let's
Speaker 1: talk about Donald Trump being in Michigan. He was in
Speaker 1: Detroit to talk about the economy and how he is
Speaker 1: growing the manufacturing despite the fact that manufacturing has actually
Speaker 1: lost jobs because these tariffs, which we're supposed to incentivize
Speaker 1: manufacturing on shore have basically just put it, have been
Speaker 1: like a big rock on our economy, right, because people
Speaker 1: don't know what to do. Nobody trusts Trump, they don't
Speaker 1: know if he's going to change his mind, so they're
Speaker 1: just not manufacturing, and so people are losing manufacturing jobs.
Speaker 1: So he goes to Detroit to tour to tout how
Speaker 1: he's going to make America great again. And he sees
Speaker 1: one of the workers at the plant who says, why
Speaker 1: do you protect pedophiles? And he, in his infinite class
Speaker 1: and grace, the always statesman, Donald Trump gives the guy
Speaker 1: the finger discuss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look, I mean there's a couple of different
Speaker 3: ways of looking at this. One is you know, I
Speaker 3: mean Trump, I don't know that he ever had it,
Speaker 3: but he lost it a while ago. I mean he yeah, clearly,
Speaker 3: he very clearly lost it. You know, there are various
Speaker 3: things that happened to the human brain as one ages,
Speaker 3: and you know sometimes when those things happened, some of
Speaker 3: the inhibitions go away with the brain functions and.
Speaker 1: Core frontal lobe. It's really it's not doing what it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing. For Donald Trump, he's days.
Speaker 3: But also this is the kind of thing where and
Speaker 3: again I don't give him enough credit to think that
Speaker 3: he did this on purpose. You know, it gave the
Speaker 3: dude the finger. But these are the kinds of things
Speaker 3: that I think MAGA believes a larger percentage of voters
Speaker 3: are into. Like they they think half the because we
Speaker 3: hear this all the time. Well you if you attack
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, you're atacking half the country. For no, you're not.
Speaker 3: It's not even close to half the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's probably like thirty percent of the country.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say a solid a solid third. But the
Speaker 3: point is, like they in their heads think a majority
Speaker 3: of Americans are going to see the President of the
Speaker 3: United States flipping off an automotive worker and think, right on,
Speaker 3: you really told that I don't know woke, you know whatever,
Speaker 3: woe the woke automotive plant guy, and what Look, I
Speaker 3: don't know a thing about this guy. Maybe he is woke,
Speaker 3: but there's very good chance he's not woke. He just
Speaker 3: doesn't like the idea that Donald Trump is not releasing
Speaker 3: the Epstein files.
Speaker 1: M that's right.
Speaker 3: But they think, because they spend most of their day
Speaker 3: on Twitter, and they they believe that a majority of
Speaker 3: the country, that that's what the majority of the country
Speaker 3: is going to think. And I think we're seeing this
Speaker 3: a lot. And we're seeing this with what's happening on,
Speaker 3: you know, and more importantly with ice in Minnesota, where
Speaker 3: they're putting out videos that they think are going to
Speaker 3: show this dude in a good light. And people are
Speaker 3: looking at this video and unless you are fully cooked
Speaker 3: and you're in you know, maga world, you know, you're
Speaker 3: one of that thirty percent of America maybe even smaller,
Speaker 3: you are not looking at that video and saying to yourself,
Speaker 3: you know, oh yeah, you're looking at the video going wait,
Speaker 3: you think this makes him look good?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I think there's a lot of that going on now.
Speaker 3: And that's why you always hear you know, Trump loves
Speaker 3: to talk about the polls that he somehow thinks he's
Speaker 3: doing well in when he's really not, because my guess
Speaker 3: is they don't show him the actual polls, and they
Speaker 3: probably tell him he's doing really well. They have sort
Speaker 3: of adopted this mindset that, you know, yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 3: get yelled at by the woke, you know, media and
Speaker 3: liberal tears and all that and you know you mad
Speaker 3: bruh and all that stuff, and they think the majority
Speaker 3: of the country agrees with them, and they are dead
Speaker 3: wrong on that. And I'm not excusing the people that
Speaker 3: voted for Trump who now are are coming to grips
Speaker 3: with what they did. But in a sense, this is
Speaker 3: what they voted for, because they should have known that
Speaker 3: this is what they voted for. But in a sense,
Speaker 3: this is not what they voted for, because somehow they
Speaker 3: didn't realize this is what they were voting for. And
Speaker 3: they don't want to see this. They don't want to
Speaker 3: see a white woman, not to put too fine a
Speaker 3: point on it, get shot in the face right by
Speaker 3: some dude in you know, wearing camo. That's not what
Speaker 3: they want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think about this video that was on Twitter
Speaker 1: today that Laura Loomer did of Thomas Massey. And there's
Speaker 1: a guy following Thomas Massey and he's like, Thomas Massey,
Speaker 1: why don't you just become a Democrat now? And Thomas
Speaker 1: Massey is like, because I voted Republicans ninety one percent
Speaker 1: of the time, but the nine percent I don't vote
Speaker 1: with them. It's because they're protecting pedophiles or launching foreign wars.
Speaker 1: And they put that up to show you'd gotten lumored.
Speaker 1: And it's like, you have to be in such a
Speaker 1: brain fog to think that that makes a person look bad,
Speaker 1: and you have to be like so sort of down
Speaker 1: the partisan rabbit hole as opposed to like seeing things
Speaker 1: for what they are, and you really do see it's
Speaker 1: just such a they're so they're so removed from the
Speaker 1: kind of it's like, you know, you do actually need
Speaker 1: to have people who tell you the truth. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, it really reminds me of the
Speaker 1: Bill Ackman problem. Right, if nobody ever tells you the truth,
Speaker 1: you really believe that everything you think is brilliant.
Speaker 3: A one hundred percent absolutely, and it's you know, it's
Speaker 3: the Bill Ackman problem. It's been the Elon Musk problem
Speaker 3: for a very long time. Unfortunately, people like that have
Speaker 3: made it our problem. We all know what Fox News,
Speaker 3: my former employee, has done to people in this country.
Speaker 3: It's just a given. But we say sometimes forget that
Speaker 3: while the Fox News viewership is high for a cable
Speaker 3: news network, it is a minuscule percentage of citizens in
Speaker 3: this country. So Laura Ingram and people like that can
Speaker 3: go on there and say whatever they want. And yes,
Speaker 3: the true believers, you know, the people who never change
Speaker 3: the channel from Fox News or you know, and the
Speaker 3: people who spend all day on Twitter yelling slurs at
Speaker 3: people of color and creating you know, child porn with croc. Sure,
Speaker 3: they're going to stay with you. You know, you were
Speaker 3: you were, you were the anti war president. Now you're
Speaker 3: talking about annexing.
Speaker 1: Greenland with Grainland.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they'll sell that, and because they know their
Speaker 3: viewership are part of that percentage that will go along
Speaker 3: with that. It's just again that that ain't fifty percent
Speaker 3: of the country. It's not even close. And I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to paint America as like you know, I don't
Speaker 3: think fifty percent of the country agrees with me. I
Speaker 3: would never say that you know, one hundred percent of
Speaker 3: the country should agree with me. That would be that
Speaker 3: would be a that would be a true great society, Molly.
Speaker 3: But it's just not going to happen. But if you
Speaker 3: walk around thinking that, Oh, look, the people on Twitter
Speaker 3: are agreeing with me, the Fox News hosts are agreeing
Speaker 3: with me, the Fox News viewers are agreeing with me.
Speaker 3: I've got the country behind me. Oh buddy, you are
Speaker 3: so wrong about that.
Speaker 1: Andy leave Molly John fast we come back?
Speaker 3: Will I come back?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: That is That is a good question, I suppose in
Speaker 3: a philosophical sense, if you want to get I don't know,
Speaker 3: like ontological about it. There's a chance that I will
Speaker 3: come back. But I'll have to look into the pistemology
Speaker 3: and uh, I'll let you know how things shake out.
Speaker 1: Excellent. Rom Manuel is the former mayor of Chicago and
Speaker 1: chief of staff to President Ron.
Speaker 4: Welcome, Rom, Thank you.
Speaker 1: You went to Mississippi. Did a town hall talk about Mississippi?
Speaker 1: Because this is really interesting what they're doing.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I'll.
Speaker 4: Try to control my enthusiasm. I mean, you don't know this,
Speaker 4: but prior to public service, I actually studied to be
Speaker 4: a early childhood educator, early childhood psychologists. My dad was
Speaker 4: a pediatrician. It was an interest in mind following all
Speaker 4: the way through. When it was mayor, I created full
Speaker 4: day kindergarten in Chicago, which it did not have for
Speaker 4: every child, and full day pre k which it never
Speaker 4: had for every four year old in the city. So
Speaker 4: it's a very big interest of mine, and we ended
Speaker 4: up being the number one public school system according to
Speaker 4: Sean Reardon at Stanford University. So there's this analysis starting
Speaker 4: about a little shy of two decades ago. They call
Speaker 4: it in Mississippi the Mississippi Marathon, not the Miracle, but
Speaker 4: they went from forty ninth to ninth kind of pretty simple,
Speaker 4: hard to do, but simple. They re oriented reading around
Speaker 4: phonics science and reading science. They gave teachers a whole
Speaker 4: new program and training, They didn't hire coaches for both
Speaker 4: the principal and all the teachers. They gave additional kind
Speaker 4: of guaranteed time, a minimum of an hour and fifteen
Speaker 4: minutes on reading. And then they gave the kids not
Speaker 4: only support, but if they were starting to look like
Speaker 4: they were falling behind, an investment in a tutor, etc.
Speaker 4: And then a consequence, which is if you don't past
Speaker 4: third grader, and you're not going to fourth grade, so
Speaker 4: there's a real kind of accountability. All said, they moved dramatically,
Speaker 4: and I wanted to and since education is in my view,
Speaker 4: it is unacceptable to have fifty percent of your kids
Speaker 4: at reading level at grade level and fifty percent it's
Speaker 4: like competing for the future with one hand type behind
Speaker 4: your back. And what Mississippi showed, given their demographics is
Speaker 4: don't throw your towel in a razor white flag on
Speaker 4: every child. That's just not true secondary but important. A
Speaker 4: lot of debates about this, I've been reading about them. Louisiana, Alabama,
Speaker 4: and Tennessee go to rep an, Indian River County in
Speaker 4: Florida go to replicate, and all see the same kind
Speaker 4: of I wouldn't say hockey stick, but improvement when the
Speaker 4: rest of the country is dropping right, And so I
Speaker 4: wanted to see it firsthand, because you know, one, education
Speaker 4: is core to what I'm interested in. If you go
Speaker 4: through history of the United States, whether it starts after
Speaker 4: the Civil War, beginning of the twentieth century, after World
Speaker 4: War Two, or the Apollo Project, those are the great
Speaker 4: periods of economic growth in America. They're all underpinned by
Speaker 4: one thing. Lang Grand College is universal high school education,
Speaker 4: GI Bill, and the investment in science and technology i e.
Speaker 4: The Powow Project, all of them underpinned by education. And
Speaker 4: I think we're in a great competition with China and
Speaker 4: we can't afford to have fifty percent of our kids
Speaker 4: failing and reading a math. Just can't. And if it's
Speaker 4: going to be a commitment of public school, you got
Speaker 4: to improve it. And it's going to be core to
Speaker 4: my view about making sure the American dream is attainable
Speaker 4: to more Americans, not fewer Americans. So I wanted to
Speaker 4: see firsthand, not just read about them. That's why I
Speaker 4: went down there. And there's probably a secondary political benefit
Speaker 4: and just being blunt a lot of Democrats, I've went, oh,
Speaker 4: show up where we don't go. And then they're saying
Speaker 4: it from a high rise in Manhattan in their little
Speaker 4: lemon pants holding their yetty cup and never show up,
Speaker 4: not to take shots at Manhattan. But I don't talk
Speaker 4: about it. I want to go. I went to a
Speaker 4: water valley held at town Hall, a town of thirty
Speaker 4: four hundred and in the county. Donald Trump won by twenty
Speaker 4: one percent. A little more progressive than the rest of
Speaker 4: the county. But there's thirty four hundred people, about one
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty, one hundred and sixty showed up and
Speaker 4: they have the sheriff out there to control traffic. They
Speaker 4: never had that. And anybody can come to the microphone
Speaker 4: ask about people, ask about vocational it. They ask about
Speaker 4: early childhood education. They asked about homeless kids. You know
Speaker 4: what they didn't ask Nobody asked about a bathroom access,
Speaker 4: a locker room access. They ask about what matters to
Speaker 4: their kids. And it would be high time that the
Speaker 4: rest of us listen to that.
Speaker 3: So that's a mouthful.
Speaker 1: So what's the goal here, Well, let me I got
Speaker 1: it more goal. It's a broad question, but.
Speaker 4: Let me back up. I obviously started national politics working
Speaker 4: for ben Governor Bill Clinton running for president. When I
Speaker 4: started Bill Clinton, governor Governor Winter, Mississippi, Governor Riley of
Speaker 4: South Carolina, Governor Hunt in North Carolina, Governors Belle Miller
Speaker 4: of Georgia, and Governor Childs. We're all in the forefront
Speaker 4: of answering the challenge of the report A Nation at Risk.
Speaker 4: Every one of these governors were in the forefront, and
Speaker 4: I worked with President Clinton on public school choice teachers
Speaker 4: of excellent. I worked for President Obama as the chief
Speaker 4: staff implementing a race to the top. You're a very
Speaker 4: smart person. Name me the five top governors in education
Speaker 4: reform and what they've done. Okay, that's an answer. Number two.
Speaker 4: You know more about the president's position on windmills than
Speaker 4: you do his position on how to reverse reading score
Speaker 4: drops across the mass scores we've abandoned.
Speaker 1: He has no position on that.
Speaker 4: Okay, But but you know what, fifty governors control ninety
Speaker 4: percent of all public school financing, and we have become
Speaker 4: complacent with failure. Now I'm at a point in my
Speaker 4: life I'm not going to do that, and if you
Speaker 4: don't like it, I'm not your guy. But I believe fundamentally,
Speaker 4: not only in public schools. I feel fundamentally in turning
Speaker 4: this country around, and it's going to start in the classrooms.
Speaker 4: That's why I also took on big technology first person
Speaker 4: in public life to say every child sixteen or younger
Speaker 4: should be banned from getting social media apps. Algorithms are
Speaker 4: raising our kids rather than adults, and we've left them
Speaker 4: as vulnerable to big tech as we did to big
Speaker 4: tobacco at one point. So that's my core. And if
Speaker 4: I decide to make another leap into elective office, I
Speaker 4: want people to know where I stand. I'm at a
Speaker 4: point in my life. I'm not going to tell you
Speaker 4: what you want to hear. I'm going to tell you
Speaker 4: what I think you need to hear. And so that's
Speaker 4: the drive. But can I find this remarkable? We don't.
Speaker 4: We have a thirty year low in reading of mass scores,
Speaker 4: no nobody else and nobody an emergency meeting of governors.
Speaker 4: Put aside your partisanship, put aside your differences on immigration.
Speaker 4: We're going to have a meeting. We're gonna lay out
Speaker 4: of a plan. Here's how we're going to do it. Our
Speaker 4: answer vouchers close the Department of Education. Both parties are
Speaker 4: guilty of abandoning our children to the mercy of the future.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but I just
Speaker 1: don't understand. Like I certainly know that literacy in this
Speaker 1: country is appalling. I know that the way we teach,
Speaker 1: not teaching reading through phonics is a real problem. I've
Speaker 1: certainly seen a lot of good stuff happen in different
Speaker 1: ways with public schools, and charter schools, and there certainly
Speaker 1: are many solutions that are not being implemented. And for me,
Speaker 1: as an urban, white, Acal and Jewish person, this is
Speaker 1: a platform I could get behind. But I want to
Speaker 1: understand what the endgame here is. Like I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like I would, you know, write a check to
Speaker 1: your foundation, but I don't understand.
Speaker 4: Actually, right, yeah, So let me say you and I.
Speaker 1: Know we live in the real world and the people
Speaker 1: who run for president, I assume that's what you're.
Speaker 4: Here's my view, which is I am going to tell
Speaker 4: you what I'm interested in and what I'm gonna focus on. Right,
Speaker 4: I have nothing against other canks want to talk about
Speaker 4: how they're going to resist Donald Trump. I'm gonna talk
Speaker 4: about how I'm gonna fight for kids. And you can
Speaker 4: make a value judgment and a political judgment which you
Speaker 4: find more important, and they're both equal. They're both valuable, right,
Speaker 4: But I think you know, long term, you tell me
Speaker 4: how you get from here to there as a country.
Speaker 4: When third graders can't read at third grade level in China,
Speaker 4: they're going six days a week, right, So let me
Speaker 4: let me just finish one point. This has been a
Speaker 4: through line in my life, public life, starting from early childhood.
Speaker 4: Interested in being an early childhood ye to walk walking
Speaker 4: into the worst public school system in America according to
Speaker 4: William Bennett, and walking out with the best public school
Speaker 4: system of the top one hundred and I took up
Speaker 4: and it wasn't a linear line, but we took graduation
Speaker 4: rates from fifty six to eighty three. First city in
Speaker 4: America to say, if you get a be average in
Speaker 4: our high schools, community college is free. First city in
Speaker 4: America set a goal fifty percent of our kids graduating
Speaker 4: with college credit in high school. And then first city
Speaker 4: in America to say, you're not getting a diploma in
Speaker 4: high school until you show us a letter of acceptance
Speaker 4: from college, community college, or branch of the Armed forces
Speaker 4: or vocational ed ins set a requirement. Okay, Now, that
Speaker 4: to me is the most important thing, or one of
Speaker 4: the most important things we have to do as a country.
Speaker 4: And it's core to what I'm going to focus on now.
Speaker 4: If you decide, if I decide to run, I'm not
Speaker 4: a person of either weak, woke or gray. I come in,
Speaker 4: as I like to say, in twenty twenty four, you
Speaker 4: didn't have a choice. Right today, twenty twenty eight. You're
Speaker 4: gonna have thirty one flavors and I'm gonna be rocky
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna be Rocky road. That's my flavor. You
Speaker 4: might and you might as well know it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I'm man. I love the education stuff I
Speaker 1: come from. You know, I'm married to an ed tech me. See,
Speaker 1: so I spent a want.
Speaker 4: Can I have one other comment that I apologize for interrupting,
Speaker 4: and this is miss it. There's nothing wrong or nothing
Speaker 4: challenging America that can't be cured by what's working in America.
Speaker 4: Mississippi has this model and a couple in about a
Speaker 4: month from now, I'm heading off to Michigan because they've
Speaker 4: done excellent things and vocational at the answers to our
Speaker 4: problem are happening at the local level. And as a
Speaker 4: former mayor, you want to take these local models and
Speaker 4: scale them. So basically, it's not dependent on kind of
Speaker 4: a head of miss approach. And yeah, I just don't
Speaker 4: think we have a child to waste or a community
Speaker 4: overlook in making making sure everybody's ready for the twenty
Speaker 4: first century.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's right. So, but I want you
Speaker 1: to talk about, like you know, how things are supposed
Speaker 1: to work, and I want you to talk about what's happening.
Speaker 1: It's a DNC right now, because I want you know
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. I would.
Speaker 4: It's a big, a big elage from Mississippi doc to
Speaker 4: the DNC.
Speaker 1: And I mean down but you're right exactly, But you know,
Speaker 1: but you, I mean one of the things that I
Speaker 1: appreciate but appreciate about you is you don't mince words.
Speaker 1: So the DNC is having a terrible time raising money.
Speaker 1: We have congressional candidates raising gobs of money, we have
Speaker 1: packs raising money, we have I me and I was
Speaker 1: talking to a congressional candidate today who raised two million dollars.
Speaker 1: You know whatever, So you know how to run staff.
Speaker 1: That's one of your many charms. So explain to us
Speaker 1: what the fuck is happening? Why is why is the
Speaker 1: party apparatus not doing well?
Speaker 4: Come on, let me Uh one is the people on
Speaker 4: the other end. You would never usually describe what I
Speaker 4: do as charm or charming, but I appreciate that. I
Speaker 4: appreciate the flat I appreciate the flattery. It's a first
Speaker 4: for me. So look, money is usually a barometer of
Speaker 4: a vote of confidence or not. And I think you
Speaker 4: can conclude if they're having the DNC is having problems,
Speaker 4: it's because they don't think the money was well spent.
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty four we had we had three billion
Speaker 4: dollars spent. We have not allowed to show for two
Speaker 4: is you're going to make a break from the past.
Speaker 4: You got to offer a roadmap. Here's what I would say.
Speaker 4: I'm not the DNC chair, don't want it.
Speaker 1: No, I know you don't want it.
Speaker 4: Here, but it's not open. Ken Martin's there.
Speaker 3: But here's what I would do.
Speaker 4: You got to give people a sense of confidence not
Speaker 4: only the money is going to be well spent, but
Speaker 4: here's the blueprint and what I would say. Two points
Speaker 4: that I think are important when one party controls both
Speaker 4: sides of Pennsylvania Avenue nineteen ninety four, two thousand and six,
Speaker 4: twenty ten, twenty eighteen, there's a law of physics aid
Speaker 4: kick in party out of power, massive turnout. That's exactly
Speaker 4: what we've been seeing since a year ago. A little
Speaker 4: over fourteen months ago, Independence break two to one for
Speaker 4: the party out of power. We've seen that all over
Speaker 4: the place. Number three, the party in power, turnout depresses
Speaker 4: from the time before seeing that. So the law of
Speaker 4: physics is happening for twenty twenty six. What you want
Speaker 4: to do in certain places, as the party chair, is
Speaker 4: prepare for twenty twenty eight. So take your seven key states, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia,
Speaker 4: North Carolina, and the blue Wall. I would make sure
Speaker 4: that from the school board to the governor's office, every
Speaker 4: line is filled because if there's a wave, you've got
Speaker 4: to have ten thousand surfboards out there, and that wave
Speaker 4: is going to take people into shore, and that begins
Speaker 4: your farm team, that begins you're organizing, That begins your
Speaker 4: contact you have field operations, you know how to drill
Speaker 4: down because that is those seven states. Remember we've now
Speaker 4: had let's just go back to twenty twenty six, roughly
Speaker 4: four hundred and fifty thousand and seven hundred thousand Americans
Speaker 4: decide the presidency in seven states, So basically it's down
Speaker 4: to two percent in each stick.
Speaker 3: You should be using.
Speaker 4: A wave to prepare for what will be a nip
Speaker 4: and tuck election. That plan should be presented and people
Speaker 4: will invest in a blueprint and it's incumbent upon their
Speaker 4: meeting as you and I talking. That is the DNCI.
Speaker 4: They're talking about the schedule of what states go first.
Speaker 4: Fair discussion. But to me, as somebody who kind of
Speaker 4: set out a blueprint in two thousand and six that
Speaker 4: nobody you know, that was novel at the time. We're
Speaker 4: going to now, we're going to cruit people out of
Speaker 4: the national security pool, not just state centators, not just
Speaker 4: state reps. Aim like Mikey Cheryl, Mikey Cheryl and Abigail.
Speaker 4: That was twenty eighteen. But it was the same blueprint
Speaker 4: you look at today. I mean, this was not that blueprint.
Speaker 4: But Chris Murphy, Senator for came out of the two
Speaker 4: thousand and six class. So did Chuck Schumer's colleague, Christin
Speaker 4: Gilaret came out of the two thousand and sixth class.
Speaker 4: Tim Walls came out of the two thousand and sixth class. Okay,
Speaker 4: so what you want to do take your seven states,
Speaker 4: and I'm saying, drill all the way down and maybe
Speaker 4: even below school board and every line. I don't care
Speaker 4: about that precinct, I don't care about that district has
Speaker 4: a D next to it. Somebody is filling that slot.
Speaker 4: And you're gonna build a farm team and then run
Speaker 4: a field operation in those seven states. This election doesn't
Speaker 4: take away from what you can do in Ohio. US
Speaker 4: Senate doesn't take away from it. So I don't want
Speaker 4: to get everybody's room. You didn't mention my state. I don't,
Speaker 4: you know? Yeah, we You know, governing is to choose.
Speaker 4: And I used to say this. I used to say
Speaker 4: this to President Obama. I said it when I was mayor.
Speaker 4: What ends up in the oval office, what ends up
Speaker 4: on the fifth floor, and mayor is choices between bad
Speaker 4: and worse. Yeah, you've got to have the judgment and
Speaker 4: the character and know what the difference is. Yeah, And
Speaker 4: so I would say, yes, we're going to invest in
Speaker 4: these other states, We're going to do and perform, but
Speaker 4: these ones, these seven are first among all fifty. And
Speaker 4: that's what I would approach us as because you're creating
Speaker 4: a farm team for twenty twenty eight. You're creating a
Speaker 4: farm team for Congress one day. You're creating a farm
Speaker 4: team for mayor one day. And that's how you build
Speaker 4: a party. You don't show up four weeks before the election.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, are you av me?
Speaker 4: That's what I would do.
Speaker 1: Do you think not releasing an autopsy was a mistake.
Speaker 4: I slightly have a yeah, maybe this is the middle
Speaker 4: child a slightly nuanced physician, which is the report comes
Speaker 4: is wrapped up bound right when you have Republicans on
Speaker 4: the run on healthcare. I would not have switched the conversation.
Speaker 4: And media in Washington can't handle two conversations at once.
Speaker 4: Keep your focus on the Republicans, get them hard on healthcare,
Speaker 4: make sure when they're going go on home they're getting
Speaker 4: slapped around by their constituents. You now have ACA enrollments.
Speaker 4: Over one point four million families lost health care in
Speaker 4: America because of the Republicans. I want to drive that
Speaker 4: all the way to the end zone. Now. When it
Speaker 4: first came, this is like three weeks before, two weeks
Speaker 4: before New Year's I had have released it December thirty first,
Speaker 4: and all us wackos who really care about it, we
Speaker 4: know what happened, but we would read it, etc. But
Speaker 4: I wouldn't change the story from chasing the Republicans out
Speaker 4: of town and having failed America on healthcare. So that's
Speaker 4: so timing when you released I would not sit here
Speaker 4: and spend money on a report and leave it for
Speaker 4: the archives. Now I don't have high hopes that it's
Speaker 4: going to change behavioral patterns. I would release it, but
Speaker 4: I would not let it confuse distract us from driving
Speaker 4: a health care and affordability.
Speaker 1: Message for my own aedification.
Speaker 4: And also I would say distract the media who are
Speaker 4: proven to be well they're one ball there, that we're
Speaker 4: all on ball jugglers at one level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so but for my own edification, because that's
Speaker 1: all I really care about.
Speaker 4: What very interesting marketing model.
Speaker 1: Oh it's great, people love it, But what like Biden World,
Speaker 1: I have a whole theory of what went wrong, which
Speaker 1: was they spent two years not letting their guy anywhere
Speaker 1: near anyone, and then two years furious that everyone was
Speaker 1: so mad at them and thought there was something wrong
Speaker 1: with him. Is that right? I mean, what do you
Speaker 1: think went wrong? Because something was really wrong by the
Speaker 1: time he was up for reelection and you could see
Speaker 1: it everywhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Oval office is incredibly seductive. You don't spend
Speaker 4: forty years of your life like Joe Bien. You get
Speaker 4: there and all of a sudden you're going to say, like,
Speaker 4: well this is like hot, hot, hot, and I'm going
Speaker 4: to walk away from it. Have you ever seen anybody
Speaker 4: walk away from something seductive. Okay, well, and then two,
Speaker 4: having been both President Clinton senior advisor and President Obama
Speaker 4: chief staff, you have to fight against being in and
Speaker 4: that became an insular White House in space, and the
Speaker 4: Oval Office to him and his family was incredibly seductive.
Speaker 4: And this pledge that was made, it was implicit, but
Speaker 4: everybody interpreted, and he let the interpretation ride. In twenty
Speaker 4: twenty was this was going to be a reset after
Speaker 4: four years of Donald Trump. And then I know stage left,
Speaker 4: and he broke that. That's one.
Speaker 3: Two.
Speaker 4: This is an observation. I think it gets less attention,
Speaker 4: but it's mine. He runs in twenty twenty, I'm bringing
Speaker 4: the country together post Donald Trump, and a correct message
Speaker 4: to answer what country everybody felt was wrong in our
Speaker 4: Trump politics, and the White House walks away from bringing
Speaker 4: the country together, profining unity and ends up trying to
Speaker 4: unify the Democratic Party rather than try to unify the country.
Speaker 4: And so again a second bait in twitch third is
Speaker 4: he argues with the American people somewhat where Donald Trump's
Speaker 4: replicating it today, that what you're seeing in front of
Speaker 4: your eyes at the grocery store, at your home, etc.
Speaker 4: Is not true, which is and look, this is a
Speaker 4: thirty year project. What I'm about to say phenomenon. Rather,
Speaker 4: the American dream has become unaffordable and inaccessible, and that
Speaker 4: is unacceptable to us. And Joe Piden Scratt and Joe
Speaker 4: was the byproduct of an era in an American dream
Speaker 4: that a dos an hard scrabble family down on their
Speaker 4: luck and yet their son still goes to school and
Speaker 4: then goes to the highest office. That is true. But
Speaker 4: today we have Lion's Sheriff kids whose parents worked hard,
Speaker 4: played by the rules, safe for their kids' education. Their
Speaker 4: kids go to college, educating me three to four times
Speaker 4: what they made when they came out of school, and
Speaker 4: they're living in the basement. They can't afford an apartment,
Speaker 4: let alone get to a house. That contract has busted.
Speaker 4: The average age of first time home ownership is now
Speaker 4: forty a decade ago, it was twenty seven, and then
Speaker 4: so so and not feeling that, which is weird for
Speaker 4: a guy who's the product of that, right, not feeling that,
Speaker 4: not theoretically with a policy paper from your National Economic Console,
Speaker 4: in his is, we would say, in his tishka, not
Speaker 4: in his bones, and not empathize and you can say
Speaker 4: whatevery sday you want to say about President Clinton, but
Speaker 4: empathizing with that angst, that anguish. And I do think
Speaker 4: from all my travels around America, you have this big angst,
Speaker 4: this anguish that we're not taking care of our business.
Speaker 4: We know that the world is off its axis. We
Speaker 4: want Washington, which is Disneyland on the Potomac, to get
Speaker 4: right with America. And President Biden, who is a friend,
Speaker 4: should have both seen that. And I'm given also the
Speaker 4: prior to examples that made been faithful to that, and
Speaker 4: he broke that faith. And it's unfortunate because had he
Speaker 4: done what he said he was going to do, he
Speaker 4: had gotten America. You got without going through all the
Speaker 4: commonness back A lot of stuff done, not all of it.
Speaker 4: You just don't. You run your race, your hand and
Speaker 4: got the baton. You hopefully leave the race better improved
Speaker 4: than the one when you picked up the baton. And
Speaker 4: he could have claimed that in many ways.
Speaker 1: But you have to think when you think about that angs,
Speaker 1: you must think about people like Elon Moss, who makes
Speaker 1: so much money. I mean, we have I come from,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of privilege, but I never there
Speaker 1: were never people.
Speaker 4: Trillion dollar pay packages, right, because this gets to my
Speaker 4: and I don't mean to cut off, but so go
Speaker 4: ahead and finish. But I really want to say something
Speaker 4: about this. In this whole affordability argument, home ownership, groceries,
Speaker 4: health care costs. You know what, the American people need
Speaker 4: a race. You got a guy get a trillion dollar
Speaker 4: pay package and just take last yesterday's in economic remon
Speaker 4: incomes are stagnant in America. Let alone that you've had
Speaker 4: a year a decline and manufacturing jobs and other things.
Speaker 4: Incomes are stagnant, and you have people with pay packages
Speaker 4: that never are.
Speaker 1: But isn't this a failure to regulate? I mean, if
Speaker 1: you have the very very rich making more and more
Speaker 1: and more and you don't have a minimum wage that
Speaker 1: people catch up, I mean a failure.
Speaker 4: Just one thing, changing the tax look our tax code.
Speaker 4: I'll just do you say regulation. I'm not against reforming
Speaker 4: and making changes, but you're not going to deal with
Speaker 4: income inequality, stagnant wages on regulation. If you think you're
Speaker 4: just going to press this and you're wrong, that's not
Speaker 4: how the economics, right.
Speaker 1: So let me just but I just want to I
Speaker 1: just I'm going to add one thing with you question here,
Speaker 1: because the core is gause. We're interrupters here.
Speaker 4: I want We're at a Jewish dinner table.
Speaker 1: We're both interrupters here. So I just want to add
Speaker 1: one thing here, which is we are a country that regularly,
Speaker 1: you know that we give tax credits to big tech
Speaker 1: companies and not to newspapers. So now newspapers have died
Speaker 1: and Elon Musk has billions of dollars.
Speaker 4: Go okay. I think the way to look at it
Speaker 4: if you look at our history and also look at economics. One,
Speaker 4: when the economics gets off kilter and way too tilted
Speaker 4: towards the few and the benefit and the wealthy, the
Speaker 4: government historically from Teddy Roseve and Franklin Rosnet has tilted
Speaker 4: the scales to level it out because a free market
Speaker 4: on its own spins out of control. We've seen it
Speaker 4: in the financial crisis, We've seen it in I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't want to go through all the history.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Second, as an example, in the both the Supreme Court
Speaker 4: and this administration has tilted the scales way too much
Speaker 4: towards the well off and the wealthy. The second piece
Speaker 4: is our tax code is about preserving wealth. Not about
Speaker 4: creating wealth and most exemplified, but what the President and
Speaker 4: the Republicans did. Look, I'm a product of My dad
Speaker 4: came here without a bucket to spit in a window,
Speaker 4: to throw it out of pediatric practice, built it up,
Speaker 4: his kids do well, et cetera. I have a tax
Speaker 4: code that allows me to do stuff for my children.
Speaker 4: As now that's not going to happen. You know, you
Speaker 4: beget a schmuk the The tax code is written to
Speaker 4: incentivize a generation of transferring wealth rather than kids going
Speaker 4: out and creating wealth. This is insane, and we are
Speaker 4: protecting the comfortable and inflicting pain on the uncomfortable. And
Speaker 4: from the tax code to your country's investments, we're in
Speaker 4: a technological scientific cold war with China. Quantum AI, life sciences, fusion,
Speaker 4: just go down the list. We should be investing in
Speaker 4: competing and winning in that area, investing in Americans education capacity,
Speaker 4: investing in our energy potential, not just putting our thumb
Speaker 4: on Venezuela as oil. But we have a couple of
Speaker 4: technologies geo thermal battery storage, et cetera. Then America can
Speaker 4: leap frog China. But we're not investing in America. We're
Speaker 4: investing a few Americans and that's the problem. We've left
Speaker 4: the rest of America and the American people out of
Speaker 4: this competition.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I don't mean to be critical, but my one observations,
Speaker 4: I'm not against the regulation, depending how you do it,
Speaker 4: but if you leave the tax code in place, the
Speaker 4: regulation a't gonna solve for fifty kids percent of your
Speaker 4: kids not reading at grade level. Not going to solve
Speaker 4: it if you leave. The fact is that we have
Speaker 4: a graduate dropout rate that is unacceptable in a modern economy. You,
Speaker 4: in fact, declare war on your greatest universities and research
Speaker 4: centers that the world around envies. You're not going to
Speaker 4: get out of here. So it's not going to be regulation.
Speaker 4: It's a tool in the toolbox, I think the toolbox, right.
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sure, thanks thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: No moment perfectly.
Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon my junk fast.
Speaker 2: So this is one of the more chilling moments of
Speaker 2: the Trump administration and its aggressions towards journalists. We see
Speaker 2: a Washington Post reporter having their devices rated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're going to be very surprised to
Speaker 1: hear this, but the Trump administration. They are not free
Speaker 1: speech absolutests, despite the fact that we were promised that
Speaker 1: the Trump administration was filled with people like free speech
Speaker 1: lover Barry Wise. No, they do not love free speech.
Speaker 1: Here's what's happening. The FBI raided a home of Washington
Speaker 1: Post reporter. They did it because she had written something
Speaker 1: about government contractors quitting the Trump administration. They did it
Speaker 1: because they wanted her sources. They wanted the information illegally
Speaker 1: linked from a Pentagon contractor, so they raided the Virginia
Speaker 1: home of Hannah and Nattinson. Part of it is that
Speaker 1: they want to intimidate journalists. They want people to be scared.
Speaker 1: That's part of this. Part of this is also just
Speaker 1: that you know, they don't really care about your civil liberties.
Speaker 1: They don't really care about due process. They don't really
Speaker 1: give a fuck about like the rule of law. So
Speaker 1: they have no problem just going into somebody's house. Like
Speaker 1: even the fact that like nobody would tell you that
Speaker 1: was okay, right because it's not how many it's supposed
Speaker 1: to work. But it doesn't matter. And that's where we
Speaker 1: are right now, is that the Trump administration, Josh doesn't
Speaker 1: give a fuck they will raid journalists' houses, they will
Speaker 1: let ice kill people. There is no due process. And
Speaker 1: by the way, until Republicans and when you listen to
Speaker 1: this and you go, well, republicans are never stand up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's probably right. But until Republicans do something, until they
Speaker 1: stand up to this, I don't see a world in
Speaker 1: which anything good happens here. That's it for this episode
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