Speaker 1: They around the NFL podcast more than just a camp body.
Speaker 2: From the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's around the NFL.
Speaker 2: I am Dan Hans's heroes here, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 2: a wooga. Another big week of shows, are counting the
Speaker 2: Hard Knock Spot our fourth show a week. So if you,
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm trying to say, Greg, is if
Speaker 2: you want to be like you want the pulse of
Speaker 2: our league around, the League's got you.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Football is back. I not only appreciate the quantity of
Speaker 3: the shows, but the quality to back up the Fantasy
Speaker 3: Football Extravaganza, the thirty ninth annual So Many, which was
Speaker 3: a banger with now what is becoming one of our
Speaker 3: great new traditions over under predictions with such a big
Speaker 3: name like Bill Barnwell. I mean back to back.
Speaker 4: It's a train heading downhill, and I don't mean that
Speaker 4: in a negative way, just it's picking up speed, just
Speaker 4: by sheer gravity. And I would just point to the
Speaker 4: listeners and say, oh, it's too much content for me.
Speaker 4: I have a busy week, Like no, no, no, it's
Speaker 4: your You have a responsibility in that life.
Speaker 1: You do that.
Speaker 2: I don't think so I think you are. There was
Speaker 2: no foul language in there, but there's a YouTube program involved.
Speaker 2: It's kind of an have.
Speaker 4: You checked out real far reaches of YouTube? I think
Speaker 4: I don't think you crossed any boundaries there.
Speaker 1: Good stuff, yes, over unders with Bill Barnwell, how about that?
Speaker 2: And uh he was back yesterday boys, But we were
Speaker 2: so busy with the extravaganza that we didn't get a
Speaker 2: chance to check in with Eric Roberts, or new Wish
Speaker 2: producer who's done very, very good work since taking over
Speaker 2: for the Hall of Famer Justin Graver. Eric ran into
Speaker 2: a little trouble over the weekend that put him on
Speaker 2: short term boomerang. Ir Eric, do you want to tell
Speaker 2: the audience and.
Speaker 1: How are you? First of all, I'm doing good, guys.
Speaker 1: This is gnarly.
Speaker 2: I just want to give everyone a heads up and
Speaker 2: the YouTube audience heads up on this. This is gnarley.
Speaker 2: Eric Roberts sustained an injury in the kitchen on Sunday.
Speaker 2: People are wondering how many drinks he had in the
Speaker 2: system when he was sustaining this injury. But I'll throw
Speaker 2: it to you, Eric, what happened to you?
Speaker 5: But yes, so I was meal prepping for the week
Speaker 5: coming ahead. So I got homes Yeah, you know, so pressed.
Speaker 5: I like to cook the vegetables for the week. You
Speaker 5: know that we don't have to do it in the morning.
Speaker 5: Got a nice new slicer.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that slice. Yeah, that's the slice.
Speaker 5: I think it's called a Madeline, a Madalline splice. There's
Speaker 5: basically a handheld guillotine. It looks like and yeah, I
Speaker 5: mean I got it for a wedding gift. You guys know,
Speaker 5: I'm recently married. First time I had ever used it.
Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, babe, let's use this. It's under in
Speaker 5: the box to go out of the box. I used
Speaker 5: it for ten seconds and I took a hearty chunk
Speaker 5: of my thumb out with it.
Speaker 3: And when you say hardy chunk, I mean he's not
Speaker 3: kidding and includes some of the nail. There's some graphic pictures.
Speaker 3: We're not putting those up.
Speaker 6: But no, we can't put that on you.
Speaker 1: I don't do we have any blurred out photo.
Speaker 6: I might might, I might. Maybe, I'll give it a yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't worry.
Speaker 1: We don't need to see it.
Speaker 6: No, it's yeah, I know.
Speaker 5: So it's like if you if you have a grape
Speaker 5: and you take like a diagonal bite of a grape
Speaker 5: the top of it off.
Speaker 6: That's basically what I lost. That's the parallel.
Speaker 3: And they say it might grow back though, which you
Speaker 3: haven't know that grow back throws.
Speaker 5: I'm in the ear and you know, I'm I'm you know,
Speaker 5: I have a pretty weird sense of humor. I'm calm,
Speaker 5: so I'm not gonna be giveing any two thumbs up
Speaker 5: anytime soon. I've made a fonsie joke at some point
Speaker 5: and he's like, well, you know, it will grow back,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, whoa, And he's like, what it will
Speaker 5: look like is up in the air.
Speaker 1: Though, now that is see that would be the most disturbing.
Speaker 4: I don't hold on, hold on like it's like, so
Speaker 4: let's say, you know, I'm glad to say, chopped your
Speaker 4: hand off at the wrist. Does your hand grow back
Speaker 4: according to the stock?
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 6: I don't think that's I think it's like it sounds.
Speaker 1: It's like it with a reptile.
Speaker 2: If you cut off its head, you know it's over
Speaker 2: cut off its tail, the tail comes back.
Speaker 1: So maybe it's just a part.
Speaker 5: By part, you know, how it goes in movies and everything.
Speaker 5: So grab the thing, put in ice, take it. They
Speaker 5: suit your up and it's good. So my wife she
Speaker 5: grabbed the chunk off of the plate where the potato
Speaker 5: was supposed to go, and so she is sent chunk folks.
Speaker 5: She is standing there in the er with me and
Speaker 5: he's holding this bag and she's like, what do I
Speaker 5: do with this?
Speaker 6: And the doctor says what is that? And she's like,
Speaker 6: here is his thumb And he's.
Speaker 5: Like, oh, I thought that was just a bag of ice.
Speaker 5: He's throw that away. We cannot reattach that. So, hey, doc,
Speaker 5: what do you think it is? But so, and they
Speaker 5: just tossed it into the uh a bio it was
Speaker 5: a Biohi, Yeah it was. It was just straight up
Speaker 5: like it was just straight foot to trash in.
Speaker 2: Did you get an opportunity to say goodbye to the
Speaker 2: top of your thumb before they tossed it in the
Speaker 2: bio house?
Speaker 6: I see it through it. It was colored pretty quick.
Speaker 4: So it's I have one question who gave you the slicer?
Speaker 4: Like what gave you that wedding? It's actually a very
Speaker 4: that's a coincident.
Speaker 5: TI, It's a I have some e mt buddies, So
Speaker 5: it's actually kind of funny. Like when I do see
Speaker 5: them next, I'm like, hey, you could have really helped
Speaker 5: me out with your wedding gift the other night.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, I mean, what did he think was
Speaker 3: in the freaking things?
Speaker 1: That's where she's.
Speaker 6: Standing there like a lunch bag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Gwyneth Poucher's head from seven There.
Speaker 2: Let's piece it together, doc, there is a patient in
Speaker 2: your operating your hospital room here with a part of
Speaker 2: his body missing. His harried wife, very upset and emotional,
Speaker 2: comes in with a bag filled with ice and maybe
Speaker 2: something in it.
Speaker 1: Let's piece it together. I'm asking for a different doctor
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, Christy, it's great that you're back. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: hope because I know you're you're an interesting dude. You're
Speaker 2: going down to San Diego this weekend to go into
Speaker 2: a tattoo convention and maybe even place in some type
Speaker 2: of compy leg model this weekend. Oh yes, So do
Speaker 2: you have to do a lot of calf exercises to
Speaker 2: get that thing?
Speaker 1: Don't like day often?
Speaker 6: Guys. I think your legs, I mean his legs already
Speaker 6: in shape.
Speaker 2: Well, we saw it at Cowboys camp, and it was
Speaker 2: quite frankly, it was stunning because the art that he
Speaker 2: has on at the ink is really impressive and intricate.
Speaker 1: Nice pair of caves, I clocked. It.
Speaker 6: Can't deny that good luck.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you get anything for
Speaker 3: winning this comp.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm basically being taken down to like pimp out
Speaker 5: my leg because they I've Yeah.
Speaker 1: Don't chill your upper body. It's never gonna be.
Speaker 5: The same, that's true. Never been a six pack guy
Speaker 5: drink so much beer.
Speaker 2: No, I mean I met the thumb like I could
Speaker 2: grow into its own monster. It's a science fiction movie potentially.
Speaker 3: Well, good to have you back here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, shout out to Randy frolling it down while
Speaker 6: I was gone.
Speaker 2: That's what Chavez does. That's why he's big, fucking big
Speaker 2: spot for it. All Right, let's hit the news with
Speaker 2: the twenty.
Speaker 3: Second pick in the twenty fourteen NFL draft, the Cleveland
Speaker 3: Brown select Johnny Manzelle hurt about tricks to say down.
Speaker 1: This is better than the movie draft thing. I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: I like the fact Cleveland he came back.
Speaker 1: He got the young quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, untold Johnny Football on Netflix we've all watched it
Speaker 2: now and I thought, boys, it's definitely worth watching. If
Speaker 2: you're somebody that's followed the league for you know, in
Speaker 2: the last ten twelve years especially, it will be interesting
Speaker 2: to you that we kind of from a personal standpoint,
Speaker 2: I feel like we kind of lived it with like
Speaker 2: there are and that stories in NFL history and figures,
Speaker 2: memorable figures. Even if he wasn't a great player by
Speaker 2: any stretch, he was a memorable figure in the league
Speaker 2: in that brief window.
Speaker 1: We've played it many times on the.
Speaker 2: Show when we were at Radio Cityways drafted and Mark
Speaker 2: was emotional, and we've talked about that a lot.
Speaker 1: But and then the way it all fell.
Speaker 2: Apart, and we were in the newsroom for all that
Speaker 2: documenting it day by day, just seeing where his life
Speaker 2: is now and everything it was. It was interesting and
Speaker 2: kind of we we'd think about being at this company
Speaker 2: and covering the league, that this immense figure in terms
Speaker 2: of what he meant in his era, even if as
Speaker 2: a player was kind of a disaster on every level.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was a really engaging documentary for me because sometimes
Speaker 4: like the main figure isn't involved, but instead Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 4: I thought, like, you know, years removed from that drama
Speaker 4: is speaking first person, and I, you know, his version
Speaker 4: of owning it, I thought, at least to you know,
Speaker 4: and not kind of trying to rewrite the narrative, but
Speaker 4: just basically saying, yeah, I kind of everything from a
Speaker 4: nightmare standpoint that you thought I was. But I also
Speaker 4: learned a lot about more about his college career and
Speaker 4: like the fact that he came into the NFL as
Speaker 4: one of the most sort of gripping, fascinating sports figures
Speaker 4: that we've ever experienced, and those our newsroom is different now,
Speaker 4: but back when we were up in Culver City, like
Speaker 4: those Sundays, I mean, there'd be one hundred people in
Speaker 4: there and when Johnny Football. Never forget when he was
Speaker 4: put in against the Bills before he had his first
Speaker 4: official start. He came in in relief, and the newsroom
Speaker 4: was literally on fire. And that was at the height
Speaker 4: of my adult Browns fandom, and I was riding every
Speaker 4: second of it. And like, the one thing I noticed
Speaker 4: was that whenever he'd make a mistake in the weeks
Speaker 4: and you know, seasons after, the newsroom loved it, like
Speaker 4: they just like he was a real focal point of ridicule,
Speaker 4: and I remember taking it so personally because I was
Speaker 4: so engaged with the idea that he could have been
Speaker 4: Texas a and M version of Johnny Manziel for the
Speaker 4: Browns and changed the Browns forever, and instead you're watching
Speaker 4: this car crash happen in slow motion. And it was
Speaker 4: really a day by day thing, because there'd be random
Speaker 4: Tuesdays where it's like they found him along the side
Speaker 4: of a road in a fight with his girlfriend, or
Speaker 4: it's filling the blank.
Speaker 6: It was just NonStop drama.
Speaker 4: It's like when he finally was off the team, there
Speaker 4: was this immense sense of like normalcy and relief.
Speaker 3: If he had ever he had been drafted by a
Speaker 3: a less dysfunctional organization, he never he would have even played.
Speaker 1: I mean, I.
Speaker 3: Know, I know they too well, but he was such
Speaker 3: a mess from the beginning. And we've heard this from
Speaker 3: former teammates of his that it was almost a joke
Speaker 3: when they announced that he was going to become the starter.
Speaker 3: What they didn't hit on as much in the documentary
Speaker 3: as deeply, and it was short. It's just like, I
Speaker 3: think the level of alcohol and drug abuse that he
Speaker 3: was engaging in during this whole time, especially in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I do think if he had gone to another team
Speaker 3: that he had it, he might not even gotten a
Speaker 3: shot on the field. But I think ownership there would push,
Speaker 3: push for that draft pick, push for him to get taken.
Speaker 3: And it was a reminder looking at the draft process.
Speaker 3: That was one thing I took away was like, man,
Speaker 3: these guys can get fooled because look, our lead draft analyst,
Speaker 3: you did a great job. At the time, was all
Speaker 3: about that Johnny Manziel actually was a top ten pick,
Speaker 3: and all these teams thought he nailed that pre draft process,
Speaker 3: and he put it together for a while and answered
Speaker 3: questions for a while and impressed everyone at the combine.
Speaker 3: And then you hear in this documentary what a complete
Speaker 3: kind of mirage that was, and how it was that
Speaker 3: his NFL career didn't even happen because he was such
Speaker 3: a mess for much of that lead up and you
Speaker 3: felt for him. But it also was pretty fascinating. I
Speaker 3: could have used more, Yeah, I could even more than
Speaker 3: an hour.
Speaker 2: It's funny that we talked about quarterback being eight parts
Speaker 2: and Johnny Manziel and maybe it could have been four.
Speaker 2: This could have easily been a two part and you
Speaker 2: really did give us I thought, and also thinking back
Speaker 2: to the newsroom in the early twenty tens, like those saturdays,
Speaker 2: if you work in a Saturday shift, that's all anybody
Speaker 2: was into is Johnny football and all the drama around him.
Speaker 1: It does illuminate to me.
Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people that followed the
Speaker 2: NFL and are listening to this podcast love college football.
Speaker 2: I've never been a college football guy. It's kind of
Speaker 2: a little bit of a a lot ravial magnifico that
Speaker 2: Johnny Manziel could dominate the way he did at A
Speaker 2: and M without doing any work and just playing playground football,
Speaker 2: and then as soon as he got to the NFL
Speaker 2: and did the same thing where he wasn't opening up
Speaker 2: the iPad with the plays, he was the worst quarterback
Speaker 2: in the league and quickly out of league. They're one
Speaker 2: of the one side of this that bothered me a
Speaker 2: little bit. And I was happy that Ryan Leaf, who
Speaker 2: similarly dealt with some really rough issues with mental health
Speaker 2: and substance abuse and has cleaned up his life and
Speaker 2: he's doing well for himself. On Twitter, he kind of
Speaker 2: pointed out Marcus Spears had said how amazing it was
Speaker 2: a phenomenal the stock was, and Ryan Leaf wrote why
Speaker 2: why when sports are involved, everyone seems to put blinders
Speaker 2: on in an attempt to entertain Netflix set the conversation
Speaker 2: back its stigmatized mental health suicide and substance use disorder,
Speaker 2: offered zero solutions that took advantage of someone with an
Speaker 2: untreated disease.
Speaker 1: Hashtag be the solution.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that Netflix took advantage of Manzel, but
Speaker 2: I was a little uncomfortable watching it, knowing when the
Speaker 2: family saying near the end of the dock that they're
Speaker 2: worried about him, and this is an ongoing issue with
Speaker 2: him that we don't know if he's okay.
Speaker 1: You see him partying with his friends openly and not.
Speaker 2: I just don't know, Johnny Manzel's a good place now,
Speaker 2: And it was a little weird watching it. It's always
Speaker 2: a little easier to watch these stories when the person
Speaker 2: is out on the other side, and that's not the
Speaker 2: case with man.
Speaker 6: I think that's that's really well said.
Speaker 4: I kind of left just, you know, I mean, because
Speaker 4: the football player part of it. I mean that I
Speaker 4: let go of that as a you know, ex Browns
Speaker 4: fan so long ago, but like the there was always
Speaker 4: something just more deeply disturbing about what was going on
Speaker 4: with Manziel and how you know. I think the Browns
Speaker 4: did try in various ways to help him, but he
Speaker 4: was beyond help.
Speaker 1: Teammates did.
Speaker 4: There's a bunch of anecdotes about what went on behind
Speaker 4: the scenes. But then his career is over, we move
Speaker 4: on to something else, and Johnny Manziel is still out
Speaker 4: there in the wilderness. It looks to be largely on
Speaker 4: helped still to some degree, and I think there is
Speaker 4: a fair reason to be concerned about what the future
Speaker 4: is because he's now He's just like he isn't that
Speaker 4: guy anymore, Like like all this like acclaim and attention,
Speaker 4: like it just dissipates when no matter who you are,
Speaker 4: Tom Brady's getting ten times less attention and Johnny Manziel's
Speaker 4: just out there on the plane.
Speaker 2: The Browns were the worst case scenario for him to
Speaker 2: get picked by because where the Browns were as an organization,
Speaker 2: how much was put on his shoulders immediately, and then
Speaker 2: where he was physically mentally it was domed.
Speaker 3: Everyone got fired because of him too.
Speaker 4: People forget Kyle Shanahan was his rookie year, and he bolted.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm not doing this anymore.
Speaker 3: And I don't think it was his decision to ever
Speaker 3: play Manzel. That's sort of what I mean by another organization.
Speaker 3: I think if Shanahan was making the decisions, he never
Speaker 3: would have played. I mean, I think Ryan Leaf. That's
Speaker 3: really well said, because Manzell never was gonna be that guy.
Speaker 3: Was He just it really put into perspective how quickly
Speaker 3: everything happened and how unprepared he was for it all
Speaker 3: because he is more of a college icon than he
Speaker 3: has an NFL story. He's one of the biggest icons
Speaker 3: in college football history. But they they didn't do him
Speaker 3: a good service in terms of the disease he had.
Speaker 3: They also didn't in terms of like all of his
Speaker 3: domestic violence issues over the years, which has been significant,
Speaker 3: not only back then from college to the pros to recently,
Speaker 3: and he didn't exactly take accountability there. So there you
Speaker 3: could have used more in a different touch on it.
Speaker 3: But I have a feeling there will be another one
Speaker 3: because he is such a compelling figure. I actually think
Speaker 3: it will be done again in like eight or ten
Speaker 3: years or something like that.
Speaker 2: Hopefully, it's in a good place when we see that.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to some news. Marlin Humphrey, cornerback
Speaker 2: of the Baltimore Ravens his week one availabilities. Now keep
Speaker 2: an eye on this. Now we have hit the time
Speaker 2: of the summer. Mark erroneously stated it's late August. It's
Speaker 2: mid August.
Speaker 4: It was literally the middle of August when I called
Speaker 4: it late August.
Speaker 3: But now when it's kind of that's the mark. What
Speaker 3: I used to have a word for it, something like
Speaker 3: the mark tax or plus two.
Speaker 2: It was just like them the other plus two days,
Speaker 2: two weeks, two.
Speaker 3: Months, whatever it is. Numerically, Mark always embellishes it by
Speaker 3: like twenty percent, Like it doesn't matter what kind of
Speaker 3: thing we're.
Speaker 1: Talking Mark number tax.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's more disturbing that in I thought
Speaker 4: it was late August.
Speaker 2: Anyway, if you have an injury, now, now you're in
Speaker 2: danger missing the start of the season. There's just not
Speaker 2: enough time to get right, depending on what you're dealing with,
Speaker 2: and Marlon Humphrey is expected to miss time, according to
Speaker 2: Mike Aarrafolo, with an injury that may require a medical procedure.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's more reporting out there because
Speaker 2: it was an undisclosed medical issue this morning is what
Speaker 2: the reporting was out there. He was a seventeen it
Speaker 2: started to have foot surgery. So Houston Texans on the
Speaker 2: schedule week one. Hopefully Baltimore's defense can handle that, but
Speaker 2: you never know. And Humphreys, we'll see if you could
Speaker 2: play the guitar and he gets back. I don't want
Speaker 2: my star cornerback dealing with a foot injury as the
Speaker 2: season begins.
Speaker 4: I'd say is their most important defensive player. They're really
Speaker 4: banged up in the secondary. Rocky sin has missed a
Speaker 4: big chunk of camp with a knee injury, to Marion Williams,
Speaker 4: Trayvon Mullen, who's more of a reserve guy. But these guys,
Speaker 4: none of them are practicing. They've been out, and like
Speaker 4: when I look at I think we just like there's
Speaker 4: this perception that the Ravens just always figured out on defense,
Speaker 4: and there's a reason for that perception. But their cornerback
Speaker 4: position is really thin right now. And I mean, you've
Speaker 4: got the Texans coming out of the gate. Don't hate
Speaker 4: that in Week one, Week two right away though, Cincinnati Bengals,
Speaker 4: So you know, no, Marlon Humphrey is a big problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it says they'll be out a month, which would
Speaker 3: probably be weak. Two. I we haven't talked much about
Speaker 3: the Ravens defense, and I don't know what to think
Speaker 3: about them, because you just ran through what's going on
Speaker 3: at cornerback on paper that's without Humphrey, but even with
Speaker 3: hunt Frey, that's one of their weakest positions and one
Speaker 3: of the thinner groups in the league. And then I think,
Speaker 3: what else is the problem with the Ravens. It's their
Speaker 3: edge rushing position, and maybe Ada Feoway picks it up,
Speaker 3: maybe Jabo, who was coming off of an injury as
Speaker 3: a rookie, becomes a guy. But they're very thin in
Speaker 3: question marks there so questionable pass rush, questionable cornerbacks. That's
Speaker 3: a problem that But again I think back to the
Speaker 3: end of last year. What defense was playing better at
Speaker 3: the end of last year than the Ravens. They should
Speaker 3: have beaten the freaking Bengals in the playoffs. I mean,
Speaker 3: they killed the Bengals in the playoffs. They dominated the
Speaker 3: Bengals offense at least, and so I don't know which
Speaker 3: way it turns out, but there's pretty big questions there
Speaker 3: on both sides.
Speaker 2: In other injury news at wide receiver, the Detroit Lions
Speaker 2: already know they're not going to be having Jamison Williams
Speaker 2: on the field for the first six games of the
Speaker 2: season dealing with that suspension connected to his violation of
Speaker 2: the league's gambling policy.
Speaker 1: But now they're not going to have him for the
Speaker 1: rest of.
Speaker 2: The preseason after he suffered on a hamstring injury. So that
Speaker 2: kind of knocks him out of action for the rest
Speaker 2: of this summer or at least through the preseason schedule.
Speaker 2: He played against the Giants. I don't know how much
Speaker 2: to make of that, but other than you just want
Speaker 2: Jamison Williams in the mix because he missed most of last.
Speaker 1: Year with the ACL recovery.
Speaker 2: And in other wide receiver news, you have Traylon Burks,
Speaker 2: the second year of Titans wide receive, a very important
Speaker 2: figure for them. RAPS sheet reports and mri I revealed
Speaker 2: a sprained LCL for Burks that will keep him.
Speaker 1: Out a few weeks.
Speaker 2: There was concern obviously he suffered a season and ending
Speaker 2: knee injury in practice yesterday and steadies on the shelf
Speaker 2: for a few weeks. But again, a guy that had
Speaker 2: a little bit of an up and downs first year
Speaker 2: in the league that you want to hit the ground running.
Speaker 1: Now he's coming back from a knee injury. These are
Speaker 1: not good things.
Speaker 3: No, And we taped the Fantasy Extravaganza before we knew
Speaker 3: this Jameis and Williams news. But I would have disagreed
Speaker 3: with our friend Mike Florio anyways on being high on
Speaker 3: Jamison Williams just because he hasn't been on the field.
Speaker 3: This has been an off season long issue with him,
Speaker 3: that he'll last a couple of practices, even in OTAs,
Speaker 3: and then he's out for a week or two, and
Speaker 3: that's been his story. So to me, I saw our
Speaker 3: friend Matt Harmon like he's getting drafted in fantasy leagues
Speaker 3: pretty high. But it's just like our vibes. I do
Speaker 3: not want any part of him in terms of fantasy
Speaker 3: and as a as a Lion supporter, and I'm sticking
Speaker 3: with these Lions. I know we're not gonna I know
Speaker 3: we're not going to make them the team of atl
Speaker 3: but I want them to win. I'm just don't think
Speaker 3: you can really count on Jamison Williams.
Speaker 6: To be like some big difference maker.
Speaker 3: That's right, let's.
Speaker 2: Bring it back. Yeah, I mean I I can't do it.
Speaker 2: Can't go back to back.
Speaker 4: With the little bits that we've seen from Jamison Williams,
Speaker 4: like the huge, big plays and little spot moments like.
Speaker 1: Is there one?
Speaker 4: It's one, no, but I know, but you know the
Speaker 4: thing there is I I started to really believe in
Speaker 4: him last year and thought he could be a real
Speaker 4: difference maker for this offense. But you're now like at
Speaker 4: this point where like if something does big doesn't happen
Speaker 4: at the end of this season, this first round pick
Speaker 4: is starting to look really in peril and and it's
Speaker 4: a you know, this Chiefs game is coming up very
Speaker 4: quickly and they don't have like you've got Josh Reynolds
Speaker 4: and Marvin Jones. They asked Dan Campbell about your guy
Speaker 4: Denzel Mims, Like where is he at? How is he progressing?
Speaker 4: And here's what Dan Campbell said, He's in the room.
Speaker 4: Wish I could give you more. It's like thanks a lot,
Speaker 4: Dan Campbell, Like there's I mean, yeah, it's not going
Speaker 4: to make the team. And like it's another like month
Speaker 4: month plus where like Jared Goff is not working with
Speaker 4: Jamison Williams and it's like he missed all of last
Speaker 4: off seasons.
Speaker 3: I mean he got hurt in college too, that's right,
Speaker 3: one of the reasons he fell.
Speaker 1: In the draft.
Speaker 2: And as I stated during the Manziel conversation, I'm not
Speaker 2: watching college football closely, but he was a stud I
Speaker 2: know that at Alabama, right absolutely, and so there's certainly
Speaker 2: talent locked in his body. But the bust vibes are
Speaker 2: strung thus far. It's not it's not anything to go
Speaker 2: into a panic about, but not a great start, especially
Speaker 2: a new factor in the gambling.
Speaker 1: They just messy, messy, messy.
Speaker 2: Speaking of bad vibes, bust vibes, I do not like
Speaker 2: the Thursday night opener vibes. I didn't like it when
Speaker 2: the schedule came out. I like the Lions, I just
Speaker 2: don't love that spot for them against the Chiefs at
Speaker 2: Arrowhead on Thursday night. I feel like there's so many
Speaker 2: directions we could have went with that first game. Hopefully
Speaker 2: I'll be proven wrong and it's going to be instant classic.
Speaker 1: Just you know what.
Speaker 4: The one thing for the for the NFL schedule makers,
Speaker 4: because they tend to go real obvious or conservative with
Speaker 4: the opening game, where it's like you kind of know
Speaker 4: who both teams are. This was kind of like the
Speaker 4: still it feels like it was made on a weekend
Speaker 4: bender and the like, let's.
Speaker 1: Just rostall on something to do with it.
Speaker 4: Well but directly it's aggressive, but the but there's variants here.
Speaker 4: It could it could be a hot mess, or it
Speaker 4: could be delightful.
Speaker 3: Well. Famously, my desk was near the scheduling department in
Speaker 3: the famously NFL offices the year I was there. I
Speaker 3: like it, we don't need to start previewing week one.
Speaker 3: But I had I had a vision one night a
Speaker 3: few weeks ago. I'm not saying what was happening, and
Speaker 3: was just hanging out by myself at house that night
Speaker 3: and I felt I felt like, I think the Lions,
Speaker 3: they're gonna they're gonna put up a good fight, maybe
Speaker 3: they even win that game. They're gonna show up. They're
Speaker 3: gonna show I hope you're right, and it's gonna be
Speaker 3: like in the forties or something. It'll just be like
Speaker 3: a stupid like too many like people that like defense
Speaker 3: would be like this is too much offense. It's like, no,
Speaker 3: let's go sounds like that's that will be my line
Speaker 3: by the end of that game.
Speaker 1: In the history of this podcast.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite ridiculous storylines ever was just after
Speaker 2: the Mexico City game.
Speaker 1: It was like fifty three to fifty. Who was that was.
Speaker 3: Fifty forty five?
Speaker 1: I think, oh, no, no it was I think it
Speaker 1: was Rams Chiefs. Yeah, uh and uh.
Speaker 2: All the articles for the next few days this is
Speaker 2: what football is now. Welcome to the new NFL.
Speaker 3: It's fifty four to fifty one.
Speaker 6: And it was like, shut up.
Speaker 3: You know what The funny thing is though, that you
Speaker 3: never know it when it's happening. But that literally was
Speaker 3: the peak of the Jared Goff Rams that night. It
Speaker 3: actually went downhill pretty soon thereafter. They had that bills
Speaker 3: in those Eagles games that that shut them down, and
Speaker 3: then they had the Super rowl later. Like that night
Speaker 3: was it?
Speaker 4: I I felt, you know what you remember those I
Speaker 4: do remember the article, Oh you were into it.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't write the article because I think that's what.
Speaker 3: We we have to dig up the atn from that.
Speaker 3: I think we all were a little into it. Being
Speaker 3: with West I think was into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you I think you need like another couple
Speaker 4: of years to see that that that's even the case
Speaker 4: it's too small a sample size. But I remember watching
Speaker 4: that game and everyone's freaking out. I was like, this
Speaker 4: is not the football that I want, to be honest,
Speaker 4: this is just there was.
Speaker 2: There was a number of think pieces out there and
Speaker 2: big words about were basically this is a real.
Speaker 4: That was a time when with with with like the
Speaker 4: way that football writing was going in general, it was
Speaker 4: like everything a new think piece emerged weekly.
Speaker 6: I feel like there's a lot less of that.
Speaker 3: Well, and and people forget it was a crazy offensive game,
Speaker 3: but there were like seven turnovers in that game and
Speaker 3: a couple of defensive touchdowns. It actually kind of was
Speaker 3: a sneaky like defense made some plays in that hot
Speaker 3: take and contributed to the high They didn't like the
Speaker 3: game that much. It was stupid.
Speaker 1: I don't like when teams just go up and down
Speaker 1: the field back.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: They didn't.
Speaker 3: There was literally seven turnovers and I think defense the
Speaker 3: end of the game. I remember I brought up the
Speaker 3: box score to make sure check up.
Speaker 1: The drive summary.
Speaker 3: But you're right, the offense is basically scored or turned
Speaker 3: the ball over. But there were seven turn some defensive scorers,
Speaker 3: but some big time.
Speaker 4: I don't want that score. Three out of four games
Speaker 4: you wouldn't you.
Speaker 2: Would, Bill parcellstot football was give me, give me seventeen,
Speaker 2: give me a strategy on both sides.
Speaker 3: Back after this, it's like the huge, like peanut butter
Speaker 3: and chocolate, piece of pie.
Speaker 1: Too much.
Speaker 3: It comes out you're rich, and you think it's too much,
Speaker 3: and then you think it's been.
Speaker 6: Four years since I something you want. I do not
Speaker 6: agree with you.
Speaker 3: Let's try it.
Speaker 4: We do not, but I'm right you're not. You're simply
Speaker 4: not even listening to Daniel.
Speaker 2: Opinions vary Greg back after this last thing, disgraceful. That's
Speaker 2: the only thing. Put up this tweet, Eric, if you can,
Speaker 2: because you only have one thumbnail.
Speaker 1: Look at this.
Speaker 2: Look at this Teddy Bridgewater number fifty, Greggy, the Lions.
Speaker 2: I'm taking them on the under whatever the under is. Why,
Speaker 2: Because we've taken this too far. We lost control. We
Speaker 2: just we let the players pick whatever number they want,
Speaker 2: and now we have a damn quarterback that's number fifty.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have games that count. I have two things
Speaker 3: on this. You want the wet blanket thing first or
Speaker 3: the pro teddy thing first?
Speaker 1: Aren't it either? Can I get in either.
Speaker 3: Let's go pro Teddy. I love it that Teddy's thinking different.
Speaker 3: I mean, you say you I want Dona on everyone
Speaker 3: to be automatons out there. Teddy's changing the game here,
Speaker 3: he's fifty. The fact that so many people got upset
Speaker 3: about this, to me, that's a good sign that Teddy's
Speaker 3: doing something special.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's the other bad take?
Speaker 3: The wet blanket thing is there actually weren't any numbers
Speaker 3: available literally what and that he's gonna end up getting
Speaker 3: assigned one of the actual quarterback numbers when some of
Speaker 3: those people get oh, well.
Speaker 6: And it's a charade, it's just a charade.
Speaker 3: Well, he wasn't his choice, but it literally isn't a
Speaker 3: single number available in one to twenty.
Speaker 4: Or if it's not his choice, you can't turn around
Speaker 4: and tell us how original he is.
Speaker 3: And I think after that he chose.
Speaker 1: It right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: But Teddy Bridgewater, I know he's not a star, and
Speaker 2: he's not at the level of QB in my opinion
Speaker 2: that Greg sees him as.
Speaker 1: But he's a veteran, he's respected.
Speaker 2: There's got to be a camp body, like third or
Speaker 2: fourth string quarterback that, like, you go up to him,
Speaker 2: be like bro Teddy's former first round pick. He's been
Speaker 2: in league ten years, he's taken ten and you're gonna
Speaker 2: grab fifty and deal with it or else, like I
Speaker 2: don't somebody you have to send an intern over to
Speaker 2: deliver that news.
Speaker 1: And he's a humble Teddy. No, keep Teddy out of it,
Speaker 1: That's what I mean.
Speaker 6: Like I'm with you, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I'm gone to Teddy and saying Teddy bad news.
Speaker 2: Ten year veteran, been through amazing levels of diversity and
Speaker 2: come through, and you're widely beloved behind the scenes in
Speaker 2: the NFL.
Speaker 4: We don't have any numbers for you. Pal Okay, now
Speaker 4: you're fifty. It's an organizational breakdown. I get you on
Speaker 4: that front, but it's it's just a summertime play thing.
Speaker 4: It won't even be true comes September.
Speaker 1: I think it's a bad sign for the line.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is the reporting I saw
Speaker 3: on that is accurate, So I hope that when the
Speaker 3: opener shows Teddy on the sidelines week one, it's fifty.
Speaker 3: And if you thought I was annoying with the Gino
Speaker 3: Smith read, we didn't think that when Teddy Bridgewater is
Speaker 3: dropping a forty burger on the Cowboys in the Divisional
Speaker 3: round to lead them to the NFC championship, just wait,
Speaker 3: I'll be able to die happily, you know, after you
Speaker 3: are utterly delusional.
Speaker 1: When's less than Teddy had a game, Let's check out
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think he went in there for the
Speaker 6: Dolphins for about six minutes.
Speaker 3: He got he kept getting hurt, He kept playing without
Speaker 3: Armstead and getting hurt. He had some games for the Broncos,
Speaker 3: a very misunderstood season. You don't need to go through everystin.
Speaker 6: Well, you very clearly understood.
Speaker 1: You're the one that does this that makes us reltigate
Speaker 1: this over and over.
Speaker 6: And you drag the two of us through it.
Speaker 4: You're on the podcast, I know, but it's just like,
Speaker 4: this is unnecessary.
Speaker 6: This is an unnecessary direction.
Speaker 1: He was like for Bronco season was misunderstood.
Speaker 3: It absolutely was. He was above average PFF grade. He
Speaker 3: was a solid starter on a terrible team.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: I like this week thirteen, twenty twenty one against the
Speaker 2: terrible Detroit defense, he lit them up.
Speaker 1: Okay, well it threw for one hundred and seventy nine yards,
Speaker 1: but it was thirty ten.
Speaker 3: They started that season nice, Remember they beat the Jags.
Speaker 3: He threw for over three hundred Yeah whatever, I.
Speaker 2: Think we're trying to get you to relax. But to
Speaker 2: your point, his passer rating was ninety five that year.
Speaker 4: I mean, you have, but everyone's is ninety five. Now,
Speaker 4: this is not not nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: It's fair.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break and then we'll get
Speaker 2: Bill Barnwell in here.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, joining us now femine minds in pro football coverage.
Speaker 1: Bill Barnwell.
Speaker 7: Kind of left this play out for a bit to
Speaker 7: be honest with you. L that's want to percolate in
Speaker 7: the vibes of this late afternoon song. I feel like,
Speaker 7: yeah you are, Yeah you are.
Speaker 1: So we're our shack test. How what does this song
Speaker 1: mean to you? Like?
Speaker 2: What what? What is it evoke within you? Including your life?
Speaker 7: I just got dumped. I just got dumped. But I'm
Speaker 7: not but I'm not mad about it.
Speaker 3: Like I feel like it was good.
Speaker 7: I'm okay, it worked out fine.
Speaker 6: It was in the mail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very good.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: One last week last week, it felt like my partner
Speaker 2: was just shot in a drug bust. Gone wrong and
Speaker 2: I'm driving home to my apartment on Miami Beach.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: This week, it feels a little more carnal for me,
Speaker 2: But I like, I like where you're coming from.
Speaker 7: I think we're in similar wavelengths.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 7: Do we want to get into how how how much
Speaker 7: more carnal it is for you? Perhaps?
Speaker 2: Well, I would like to expect Kyle Kyle Brandt put
Speaker 2: it well, that had a silk stockings vibe to him.
Speaker 1: Yes, bgham with some billowing curtains in the night.
Speaker 4: That's him watching something of that nature. You're saying this
Speaker 4: involves you though, and you know fill in the blank
Speaker 4: other individual or individuals.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe you're taking down Cela Road and I'm just no,
Speaker 2: I'm just asking it gets a little okay, multi dimensional?
Speaker 1: Put it that.
Speaker 2: Way, Bill Barnwell. Last year, this is one of my
Speaker 2: favorite exercises of the preseason. Last year we did it
Speaker 2: with Minah, so we had to get another Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: We we take a look at all of the over
Speaker 2: unders according to where do we go with FanDuel Fanduels
Speaker 2: over unders for season record for all thirty two teams
Speaker 2: in our league. And what we do is draft style,
Speaker 2: and we will each draft four teams and just quickly
Speaker 2: to go through the standings.
Speaker 1: Can we flash that.
Speaker 2: Up what we did the boys here, Zeusser took a
Speaker 2: dirt nap, went one and three. I had the Patriots
Speaker 2: over other Patriots had had a ten and seven locked
Speaker 2: and loaded, just to mess with everybody. But it turns
Speaker 2: out that Patricia was not the answer for their offense.
Speaker 2: Let's see Greg went three and one. Good job by you,
Speaker 2: gregy Bears under Eagles, over Chiefs, over Colts over see,
Speaker 2: you got sucked in by the map.
Speaker 3: You know what, if you look at the three I
Speaker 3: got right, you clinched that. By week fifteen they cleared
Speaker 3: him by three each at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good job.
Speaker 7: Was spending spending that money week sixty nine exactly.
Speaker 4: Rex spends like half his year in the desert, So
Speaker 4: I'm not surprised to cut.
Speaker 2: I had Pats over eight and a half, Cowboys under ten,
Speaker 2: Bills over ten and a half, Raiders over eight and
Speaker 2: a half. I only got bills Sessler, very typical mark
Speaker 2: on the fence one one and two.
Speaker 4: Well, not by my that's the like Earth created. I
Speaker 4: didn't I didn't go on the fence with my picks.
Speaker 1: Got you Texans over four and a half.
Speaker 2: That's an l Commanders under eight that was a push,
Speaker 2: Chargers over ten that was a push.
Speaker 1: Push, and Niners over ten. You cast it on that one.
Speaker 3: Mina did well too. Now some reason, it is going
Speaker 3: to be recorded forever, bill on, go get my lunch
Speaker 3: dot org. For some reason, they only had three of
Speaker 3: our picks out of the four, but Mina one and
Speaker 3: two out of three of those, so she did well too.
Speaker 7: Do you remember what Mina's picks works? I feel like
Speaker 7: I know what my three over unders before the year
Speaker 7: were last season. If I had been wow doing this exercise.
Speaker 3: She went over Lions which was good, under Cardinals which
Speaker 3: was great, and Saints over which was bad.
Speaker 1: We were okay, how were yours? Last year?
Speaker 7: It would have number one by a significant margin was
Speaker 7: Raiders under. I was very anti Raiders. That worked out
Speaker 7: pretty well. In the big picture. I would have been
Speaker 7: over Ravens. I think Ravens was nine and a half,
Speaker 7: maybe maybe ten. Ravens went over even with Lamar getting injured,
Speaker 7: and then I had Falcons under and Falcons under did
Speaker 7: not hit the Falcons exceeded mine, and I feel like
Speaker 7: many people's expectations. So to Arthur Smith, I would have
Speaker 7: gone for three last year.
Speaker 2: All right, well this is a new season, and uh,
Speaker 2: I know you have ties to the Gibon. So what
Speaker 2: I have here, Bill Barnwell, is a official Giants helmet.
Speaker 2: It's heavy. Well, it's real, it is, Yeah, a real person.
Speaker 2: I have each of our four names, and we're going
Speaker 2: to do the draft.
Speaker 1: Daughter here. Should the first name out?
Speaker 2: This is always crucial for the first Should the first
Speaker 2: name out be the first pick or the fourth person?
Speaker 1: First? I think it should be the fourth because then
Speaker 1: you have more build up.
Speaker 6: Oh that's better, show you're the host.
Speaker 3: I even asked, why is it?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 1: You want We're fine, that's all right, here's the fourth.
Speaker 2: But this is going to really backfire in the old
Speaker 2: Zeuser because I will pull my name out first.
Speaker 1: No, Greg perfect.
Speaker 6: A, Sorry, Greg, I mean sorry, Gregy.
Speaker 3: I was surprising that I wiped the floor with you
Speaker 3: guys a year ago.
Speaker 1: Oh he's hitting out.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're just facts.
Speaker 1: Look at the but remember.
Speaker 2: Last time we did a draft, we did the running
Speaker 2: back draft and it did not go See Greg, We'll see.
Speaker 1: The third overall pick the old tugboat. All right?
Speaker 2: Up next, this will determine who has the first overall pick.
Speaker 2: It's either Bill or Mark. This is like web. This
Speaker 2: means a lot to Mark. By the way, Bill, way
Speaker 2: more to Mark than it is to you. Here we
Speaker 2: go second pick, Mark Sessler, and as it should be,
Speaker 2: our guest Bill Barnwell has the first overall pick, and
Speaker 2: it is a snake draft.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, well I think last year it wasn't.
Speaker 1: So that's it, or maybe it shouldn't be. Actually, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to put that. Shouldn't no snake, no snake.
Speaker 7: No seven seven.
Speaker 3: I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it. I'm the
Speaker 3: defending champ here. And also with the picks. What do
Speaker 3: we call that?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 3: No, no locks of the week. So I think we
Speaker 3: need to draft. We need to make it harder for
Speaker 3: me that they know, they don't they don't say.
Speaker 1: So we're going to follow the NFL.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that. My
Speaker 3: picks are so original it won't even matter.
Speaker 2: All right, we got to take down several notches, just
Speaker 2: a couple of All right, Bill, get it going first
Speaker 2: overall pick in the over underdraft.
Speaker 7: I felt so bad about this pick already, and.
Speaker 3: I know what it's going to be. Can I guess because.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's been burying them all off season. He's been
Speaker 2: he's been the guy.
Speaker 3: Pouring Maybe I'm wrong water all.
Speaker 1: Over the New York Jets and their chances.
Speaker 3: Oh, I was gonna say, you're gonna hit out at
Speaker 3: your own team and go under Giants right after one
Speaker 3: of the New York teams.
Speaker 1: All right, we.
Speaker 7: Jets or Giants, you were incorrect. Isn't over. It isn't
Speaker 7: over on a team that nobody feels good about. An
Speaker 7: over on the Denver Bronco.
Speaker 3: As the first overall pick. People saying it's a reach.
Speaker 7: Get your guys, I gotta I gotta wait at least
Speaker 7: three picks. The Broncos were very unlucky under that sort
Speaker 7: of surface of being terrible and having their quarterback situation
Speaker 7: go disastrously and their coaching pick went terribly. They were
Speaker 7: the most injured team in ball last year per the
Speaker 7: adjusted games lost metric at Football Outsiders. Now, I know
Speaker 7: they already lost Tim Patrick to a tourney chilles. It's
Speaker 7: not going to help, but I believe they are a
Speaker 7: much healthier team this year than they were a year ago.
Speaker 7: They were a defense that was frankly extremely good until
Speaker 7: the final month of the year when they gassed out
Speaker 7: because of the injuries. Because the offense was playing terribly.
Speaker 7: They were I believe fourth n EPA per play through
Speaker 7: week thirteen, six I believe sixth and DVOA and not
Speaker 7: getting that right, somewhere in the top five by multiple metrics.
Speaker 7: By points per drive, they were six through week thirteen. Afterwards,
Speaker 7: one of the worst defenses in football. Injuries, just just
Speaker 7: the fact that they were playing for nothing that they
Speaker 7: contributed to that. As the December doldrums came in and
Speaker 7: they added a lot this offseason. You go out and
Speaker 7: you get Sean Payton, who's going to be a guy
Speaker 7: who's going to do a better job of coaching those games.
Speaker 7: Mike McGlinchey comes in, Ben Powers comes in at guard.
Speaker 7: They bring in Zach Allen from the Cardinals, who had
Speaker 7: a career year last year. This is a team that
Speaker 7: had they blew four fourth quarter leads last season. To me,
Speaker 7: I feel like they're going to do a better job
Speaker 7: of holding onto those leads. They were competitive in a
Speaker 7: lot more games that people remember and this is gonna
Speaker 7: come back to bite me. I don't love it. I
Speaker 7: just think there is more left in Russell Wilson than
Speaker 7: people give them credit for. I think they're going to
Speaker 7: be a very competitive team. I think they're going to
Speaker 7: be a playoff team. Wow, if they win nine games,
Speaker 7: chances are they're going to be a playoff team.
Speaker 1: Right on the fringe to me.
Speaker 7: To me, I think they can win ten games, and
Speaker 7: I think they will be a playoff team, all right.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I stated it, but the Broncos
Speaker 2: are eight and a half. So Bill is banging the
Speaker 2: over on the Denver Broncos. I think it checks out,
Speaker 2: and I do think, thank you Wilson, Wilson didn't become a.
Speaker 1: Terrible player overnight. Now I'm checking it off people.
Speaker 2: That correctly pointed out Greg last year that you could
Speaker 2: look at his final year in Seattle, for instance, and
Speaker 2: that maybe this was a trend and he's going down
Speaker 2: is a player. But I like the chances of him
Speaker 2: being humbled with a better coach and a better situation, better.
Speaker 1: Health around him. I don't know if I'm banging a
Speaker 1: winning record for the bronc that's strong, though.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'd like to go from last year's Nathaniel Hackett disaster
Speaker 4: to Sean Payton is one of the bigger like coaching
Speaker 4: adjustments that I can recall matter we've worked here. I
Speaker 4: think Sean Payton's always gotten when we post Drew Brees,
Speaker 4: He's still got the best out of every quarterback that
Speaker 4: was under him. And I just think there's gonna be
Speaker 4: a lot more organization here. The defense has been solid
Speaker 4: all along. I think it's a it's an interesting and
Speaker 4: daring and intriguing pick by Bill.
Speaker 3: It is kind of it's why you have Bill on
Speaker 3: because he thinks differently than most And no, no it's not.
Speaker 3: I mean you're giving like original takes that we're not
Speaker 3: hearing now. Sore. I think our listeners will remember over
Speaker 3: Broncos as the Bill Barnwell team. I to me, there's
Speaker 3: just so much uncertainty everywhere that eight and a half
Speaker 3: makes sense. Like offensive lines are very hard to predict.
Speaker 3: They have like a I don't know why, it weirds
Speaker 3: me how they have like a first time offensive line
Speaker 3: coaches Zach Streeve, like Vans, Joseph takes over the defense.
Speaker 3: There's different parts of the defense which look good, but
Speaker 3: to me, it's all very The whole team feels extremely unpredictable.
Speaker 3: So I I to me over eight and a half
Speaker 3: is a bet on Sean Payton, which over the years
Speaker 3: is a great bet. But otherwise I don't know.
Speaker 1: There we go, all right, So off with a bang.
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, you are up next.
Speaker 6: This will not require too much analysis. This is I feel,
Speaker 6: it's kind of what we do here, but I just don't.
Speaker 6: I think it sort of speaks for itself.
Speaker 3: We do have twelve picks, though. You're right, we're gonna
Speaker 3: move it along.
Speaker 4: Well, that's true also, but Andy Reid, since joining the
Speaker 4: Kansas City Chiefs, the Chiefs have never gone under on
Speaker 4: their win total. They've gone over every single year. They're
Speaker 4: sitting at eleven and five. There are seventeen games in
Speaker 4: a season.
Speaker 6: I trust this eleven and a half. Yeah, eleven and
Speaker 6: a half.
Speaker 4: LES trust this team more than any team in the
Speaker 4: league to go over, and it's just like an absolute
Speaker 4: home run out of the park. I'm not even gonna
Speaker 4: have to think about this again all season long. Barring
Speaker 4: an injury to Patrick Mahomes, they're going over. They're not
Speaker 4: winning eleven games they're winning twelve or more, no problems
Speaker 4: that Who do you trust more coach quarterback combination in
Speaker 4: the league.
Speaker 3: I think it's a good pick.
Speaker 1: Sound, it's logic. It absolutely they check out.
Speaker 2: You know, even when there are problems, they figure things out.
Speaker 2: That's the thing about having an all time quarterback and
Speaker 2: one of the great coaches. Ever, is there any red
Speaker 2: flags bill to you that make this team potentially different?
Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna have to worry about a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl hangover here, don't sound Travis Kelcey is a
Speaker 2: year older, but was as productive as ever last or
Speaker 2: anything that's a red flag to you here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they were a little lucky last year. They were
Speaker 7: fourteen and three, but they had eleven point four Pythagore
Speaker 7: and wins, so their point differential said they were running
Speaker 7: pretty hot. Had a bunch of close victories. Beat the
Speaker 7: Broncos in two close games tennes seeing over time, beat
Speaker 7: the Chargers by three points, beat the Broncos by six,
Speaker 7: Texans and overtime by six. You know, those are situations
Speaker 7: where even with Patrick Mahomes, given the history, the Chiefs
Speaker 7: have had tough to count on them winning so many
Speaker 7: of the close games maybe some concerns about the offensive
Speaker 7: line and you know, the new guys blooding in at tackle,
Speaker 7: and the Travis Kelcey scenario where Travis kelce is suddenly
Speaker 7: he gets old, which I don't think is going to happen,
Speaker 7: but great players do age. It happens Travis Kelcey. Just
Speaker 7: look at these aging but it is possible that he
Speaker 7: could be, you know, just a good tight end as
Speaker 7: opposed to a superstar tight end. Major questions about receiver.
Speaker 7: But to me, I still think that the class of
Speaker 7: the AFC West, and given the track record, like, yes,
Speaker 7: I think there's a scenario where they don't win twelve games,
Speaker 7: but it certainly doesn't feel like a bet where you're
Speaker 7: you're risky as much. Just in fact, there's as much
Speaker 7: downside for the Chiefs relative to pretty much any other
Speaker 7: team in football, relative to their total.
Speaker 6: Right, I'm not biting my nails on this one.
Speaker 4: I think, like exactly, when you look at the Vike
Speaker 4: so they won all those close games. You know, sure
Speaker 4: you're thinking that's not probably sustainable, but there's a reason
Speaker 4: that Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid win these close games.
Speaker 3: Right, I think like they are like those Broncos and
Speaker 3: Texans game. I think there is something that it's hard
Speaker 3: to pull out from the numbers that like, it's not
Speaker 3: just luck that they win close games against bad teams.
Speaker 3: It's like they shouldn't have been in those close games.
Speaker 3: But it's got kind of like the Patriots record in
Speaker 3: close games, but close ones over the years.
Speaker 7: I'll give you a good example. They lost to the
Speaker 7: Colts last year. Yeah, true, like, except they had one
Speaker 7: of those games last year where everything went wrong and
Speaker 7: they lost. Maybe next year they have two, maybe they
Speaker 7: even have three when they lose those games.
Speaker 3: I got them over ten and a half last year.
Speaker 3: They were only a ten and a half going into
Speaker 3: the year ago. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: I'll always think to like, Mark, you feeling comfortable. Of course,
Speaker 2: I'll think about the playoff run with Mahomes and playing
Speaker 2: through injury and the comeback to beat the Eagles. But
Speaker 2: that November Sunday night game against the Chargers when the
Speaker 2: Chargers sent Mahomes back on the field down for with
Speaker 2: one forty six to go, and you just knew.
Speaker 1: How the game was gonna end, Like it wasn't even
Speaker 1: a question.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, Patrick Mahomes is gonna throw a
Speaker 2: touchdown pass to Travis Kelcey and they're gonna break the
Speaker 2: Chargers hearts.
Speaker 1: They there's a magic to this team with mahomes and controls.
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk? Yo? Talk yo? There you go.
Speaker 6: But we got that guy on our side.
Speaker 1: We got him. What's up with Travis Kelcey?
Speaker 2: I mentioned this on the Hard Knocks podcast with Colleen
Speaker 2: Jeff Olbrich and Travis Kelcey have the same exact like
Speaker 2: white boy funk speaking pattern.
Speaker 4: It's exactly the same. I think he's evolved into that.
Speaker 4: I bet, I bet rookie year Travis Kelcey did not
Speaker 4: have that dialect.
Speaker 1: Do you have?
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, Remember Travis Kelsey on that reality show.
Speaker 3: I guess he was a few years He doesn't like.
Speaker 1: Talking about catching Kelsey. Here here's Olbrich, by the way, damn,
Speaker 1: And here's Travis Kelsey. Do you want to talk yo?
Speaker 1: Talk yo? Same guy, same guy.
Speaker 6: I enjoy it.
Speaker 7: A real Brian Kelly element to this, right.
Speaker 3: They're a little more convincing about it. They're they're a
Speaker 3: little better of it.
Speaker 4: I just want to tell you how proud I am
Speaker 4: to be third.
Speaker 1: You a third overall pick Okay, now I got it.
Speaker 1: Third overall pick is me.
Speaker 2: I've been kind of pounding the drum on this one
Speaker 2: a little bit that I in a wildly competitive competitive
Speaker 2: AFC North potentially I like the Browns.
Speaker 1: I like the Browns.
Speaker 2: At nine and a half, I'm hitting the over on
Speaker 2: the Browns, and it's just like, tell me what you
Speaker 2: don't like about this roster. It's a good offensive line,
Speaker 2: the best pure running back, good skill players. The quarterback
Speaker 2: is the big question, but again, I think he's a
Speaker 2: better chance that he comes back strong than is the
Speaker 2: guy he was at the end of last year. I
Speaker 2: think the Browns are a double digit win team. I
Speaker 2: think they could win ten. I think they can win
Speaker 2: eleven if everything broke right. I think they could even
Speaker 2: do better than that. So I'm pounding the table there
Speaker 2: on the over at nine and a half.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: You know, I felt very strongly this morning when I
Speaker 4: was reviewing this to go under.
Speaker 3: Uh I still could.
Speaker 4: I mean, now that's not taken, that's true, I really
Speaker 4: do I I don't. I think it's the like the
Speaker 4: years of Brown's disquiet inside of me, but I just
Speaker 4: sense like roster looks really solid. Andrew Barry did a
Speaker 4: nice job showing up the defensive line. They improved that
Speaker 4: wide receiver to some degree, and yet we're still getting
Speaker 4: whispers and reports out of camp that the passing game
Speaker 4: has been totally disjointed.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: I think it's a it's a wait and see what
Speaker 4: this offense looks like. And I you know, I've been
Speaker 4: a Kevin Stefanski fan for the most part, but just
Speaker 4: something about this journey feels like they're not going to
Speaker 4: add up to some of their parts.
Speaker 6: So we'll see. Dan, this is a very interesting one.
Speaker 3: The like I know, like football outsiders loves brown Do
Speaker 3: you do you like that? He sounded like you like
Speaker 3: the Browns too.
Speaker 7: Bill, I do. I'm absolutely on the Browns Bagwacken this year.
Speaker 1: And he still doesn't.
Speaker 7: Bill doesn't feel great, not gonna lie to be on
Speaker 7: the Browns bandwagon. Ten is a big number, especially in
Speaker 7: that division. It feels like that is a big number.
Speaker 7: But there's little things that keep happening as the officer
Speaker 7: goes on, like a little bit of research I do,
Speaker 7: or an injury that happens where I feel a little
Speaker 7: better about it, like when the Ravens lost Rolin Humphrey
Speaker 7: to an injury. I was like, hmmm, that kind of
Speaker 7: helps the Browns a little bit. Yeah, you know, the
Speaker 7: Rester was doing on the Bengals, where they face the
Speaker 7: lowest percentage of primary quarterbacks last year, they played backups
Speaker 7: and third strings more often than anybody else in football,
Speaker 7: and they have a new secondary coming in almost in
Speaker 7: total kind of made me feel like the Bengals are
Speaker 7: a little exposed. The Steelers they didn't play it, they played,
Speaker 7: They had a better record than their numbers last year.
Speaker 7: It all kind of feels like it's coming together to me.
Speaker 7: So I understand the concerns, but I'm absolutely optimistic about
Speaker 7: the Browns this year.
Speaker 3: Still, I'm still thinking about taking that Browns under from
Speaker 3: Zach Jackson at the Athletic yesterday. Stock Down from camp,
Speaker 3: the passing game has been completely unimpressive. Anything that involves
Speaker 3: the Shawn Watson remaining the pocket has been an adventure,
Speaker 3: and not since early in camp have we seen strings
Speaker 3: of consecutive completions in any eleven on eleven period. I
Speaker 3: think the consensus has been because it makes sense that
Speaker 3: that Watson does bounce back to being a good player.
Speaker 3: But I think there's absolutely I think it's within the
Speaker 3: realm of possibility that this Stevanski Watson marriage is a disaster,
Speaker 3: and there is a brownsiness of it all that I
Speaker 3: think Mark's kind of alluding to that. I think could
Speaker 3: could happen just because people are worried about their jobs.
Speaker 3: There's coach in quarterback with different agendas, there's the GM,
Speaker 3: There's a lot going on so that I.
Speaker 1: Don't think it's a slam stay.
Speaker 2: I just think it's more likely that they're this than
Speaker 2: the brownsiness of it takes over and Football Almanac has
Speaker 2: him at ten and a half way Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're feeling good about it. Aaron shall go wrong. Does
Speaker 2: that feel like I just jinxed them? I don't mean too.
Speaker 6: No, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think we even have the power to affect
Speaker 4: what they can do themselves in a negative way.
Speaker 1: I disagree with that as well.
Speaker 3: Right, all right, I'm gonna start this one hurts because
Speaker 3: I do generally kind of like the Panthers. I'm going
Speaker 3: under Panthers seven and a half, the first under as
Speaker 3: my first pick. I don't know what it says about me,
Speaker 3: but I do have more unders on this potential list.
Speaker 7: Interesting.
Speaker 3: I just think When you look at a lot of
Speaker 3: the things people like about the Panthers, it's all assumptions
Speaker 3: based on last year. And there's this weird thing people
Speaker 3: assume there's this carryover when there's a different coaching staff
Speaker 3: that I don't assume. Their offensive line played surprisingly well
Speaker 3: last year. Both their guards are coming off really serious injuries.
Speaker 3: One still not back on the field. They're left tackle
Speaker 3: Iki Khan. You know, you assume he's gonna get better.
Speaker 3: We'll see. He was not good at all. He was
Speaker 3: really bad in the preseason opener. It's a new defense,
Speaker 3: like I like a Giro Everro on paper, but I
Speaker 3: when you're counting on the defense to be so good,
Speaker 3: I don't like that. It's a new coordinator. And then
Speaker 3: you look at their best player, Brian Burns is coming
Speaker 3: off an injury. Their best cornerback, J C. Horn, has
Speaker 3: basically been injured most of his time there. There's just
Speaker 3: a lot of uncertainty, and I don't see where the
Speaker 3: team's strength is. There's kind of nothing I like as
Speaker 3: better than average. There over under is seven and a half.
Speaker 3: You gotta get to eight wins. I know the schedule
Speaker 3: is definitely the thing in their favor All the AFC
Speaker 3: NFC south Over unders are high because the schedule in
Speaker 3: and out of division is easy, it's still pretty tough
Speaker 3: to get to eight wins. And I just don't see
Speaker 3: anything that's good about this team. I think they're on paper,
Speaker 3: the fourth best team in the in the worst division
Speaker 3: in football, and to me, that's that's not eight wins under.
Speaker 1: Good one.
Speaker 6: Don't hate it.
Speaker 1: Bill disagrees.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this isn't one where like cause I went to
Speaker 3: look at football outsiders after I wrote these all down,
Speaker 3: like which ones are they on board with me on
Speaker 3: which one they're not? And this one not a crazy amount,
Speaker 3: probably because the schedule.
Speaker 7: I mean, the two most important things about a football
Speaker 7: team are their quarterback and their head coach. And I
Speaker 7: have think that the Panthers are going to be better
Speaker 7: in those situations than they were a year ago. I
Speaker 7: mean they were seven and ten last year, correct, Yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean they were.
Speaker 3: I think there once rule was out of there, they
Speaker 3: they were coached fairly well. But you're right, Bryce Young
Speaker 3: should be better. But he's still a rookie, so I
Speaker 3: guess my expectations for him are not incredibly high either.
Speaker 7: No, not incredibly high, but could he be better than
Speaker 7: Sam Darnold and bigger Mayfield? Is that is that? I
Speaker 7: don't know what possible.
Speaker 6: I think the organization would like that to be the case.
Speaker 7: So too, I'm more optimistic about the defense than I
Speaker 7: think Greg guys, I think like an easier Effort was
Speaker 7: a good coach in Denver. They were really good for
Speaker 7: most of the season. They had some young players come through,
Speaker 7: but he was getting production and of guys like Baron
Speaker 7: Browning who were not on my radar heading into the season.
Speaker 7: For the Broncos, they have talent. I think Jase Horn
Speaker 7: the injuries are legitimate concerned, but he's been a star
Speaker 7: cornerback to me when he's been healthy. And I think
Speaker 7: if they had had j C. Horn in that Bucks
Speaker 7: game where Mike Kevian's caught three long touchdown passes against
Speaker 7: backup cornerbacks, I think they would have won the division.
Speaker 7: I think we was that big of a difference maker
Speaker 7: for them a year ago. So I think the baseline
Speaker 7: is a little higher than Greg's giving them credit for.
Speaker 7: I think the quarterback and head coaching situation is better.
Speaker 7: I love Frank Right. I think he's a really good coach.
Speaker 7: I think He's a guy who can, you know, get
Speaker 7: the most out of his quarterbacks very quickly and build
Speaker 7: an offense around that quarterback strengths very quickly. And I
Speaker 7: think the defense is more upside than maybe had shown
Speaker 7: over the past year. So there is signficitely.
Speaker 3: Feels like a HI team to me, so much like
Speaker 3: because they're in that division. Yeah, you're right, and they
Speaker 3: could win nine games, but I also could see them
Speaker 3: having like the number one pick in the draft. Again,
Speaker 3: I feel like that's in their range of outcomes. So
Speaker 3: any team like that, I'm going to go under seven
Speaker 3: and a half.
Speaker 1: All right, So did we decide? Is Bill up? You're
Speaker 1: up with?
Speaker 7: I got a lot of unders here here on the list.
Speaker 7: I got to pick one of them. I feel bad
Speaker 7: picking this one because everyone has been so happy and
Speaker 7: excited about them. I'm going Lions under.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it. Is that the first steal by anybody.
Speaker 7: I I even though I agree with the Browns one,
Speaker 7: I did not have Browns over nine and a half
Speaker 7: of my list, so I I totally abide by it.
Speaker 1: But the first Still, I have my.
Speaker 7: Concerns about how sustainable that performance was for the Lions
Speaker 7: during that big winning streak to end this season. This
Speaker 7: is a team that over that final eleven game stretch
Speaker 7: of the year they went eight and three. They turned
Speaker 7: the ball over a total of four times four times
Speaker 7: in eleven games. That is very helpful if you want
Speaker 7: to win a bunch of football games. It is not
Speaker 7: something they can keep up year after year. Now. I
Speaker 7: like what they did this offseason. I think they had
Speaker 7: to upgrade the secondary, and they did, but Emmanuel Mosley
Speaker 7: is still on the pup. I believe they got Cam Sutton,
Speaker 7: who I think is a really talented player. Chohncey Gardner
Speaker 7: Johnson had not been that caliber of player. Let's trying
Speaker 7: to figure out if he's going to play safety or
Speaker 7: play in the spot they like Brian branch Or second
Speaker 7: round pick. I think he's going to be a good player.
Speaker 7: But a lot of moving pieces in the secondary. I
Speaker 7: don't know if they have a settled group yet. And
Speaker 7: they did not go out and mad a second pass
Speaker 7: rusher behind Aidan Hutchinson. They did not go out and
Speaker 7: add a second wide receiver to replace Jamison Williams who
Speaker 7: suspended and now injured as well. It's not going to
Speaker 7: play during the preseason it sounds like they signed David Montgomery,
Speaker 7: who I don't think is very good. I think this
Speaker 7: is a competitive team, but I think the NFC North
Speaker 7: is going to be tougher than maybe people seem right now,
Speaker 7: and so I'm comfortable going undred nine and a half
Speaker 7: the Lions this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the hope is that the defense is
Speaker 3: way sure, way better. But you're right, I mean at all,
Speaker 3: I didn't I don't have I don't have I certainly
Speaker 3: don't have their over on my list, and I'm I'm
Speaker 3: hoping for it and I'm thinking it. But all the
Speaker 3: points you make are are fair. I think their route
Speaker 3: to winning ten to eleven games is it's a top
Speaker 3: it's an above average defense, which would be a huge upgrade.
Speaker 3: I do like you mentioned not adding a second passer.
Speaker 3: I do like their defensive line depth. Overall, I actually
Speaker 3: think it's a good group. All right, that's fair, Mark,
Speaker 3: You're up.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 4: I'm really struggling between two things. I love here, but
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do something, uh that historically I feel like
Speaker 4: I get bounced for this, but I'm going Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 4: They're at ten point ten and a half, ten point
Speaker 4: five I'm going under which says they can win ten games.
Speaker 6: I'm not. I'm not like trying to totally fade the races.
Speaker 3: You have your enemy sure to be my.
Speaker 6: Enemy, like I mean I have.
Speaker 4: They've done nothing, but you know, torch my existence for
Speaker 4: like literally since they were birthed out of the womb
Speaker 4: of the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 6: So how much worse can it get? Here's the thing.
Speaker 4: I think there's this assumption or perception that we're just
Speaker 4: gonna get the same Ravens defense that we've gotten for
Speaker 4: so so long. I think some questions there. We just
Speaker 4: talked about it. With the Marlin Humphrey injury, could be
Speaker 4: out for the start of the season. Their cornerback depth
Speaker 4: is a problem to begin with, edge rusher, what's.
Speaker 6: Going on there?
Speaker 4: And you know the whole like Lamar Jackson look at me,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw for six thousand yards. I know it
Speaker 4: was tongue in chief to some degree, but that's a
Speaker 4: huge uh.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Will I'll see it when I believe it. With what
Speaker 4: happens through this offense. They did need to make a
Speaker 4: change from Greg Roman. I think just for the morale
Speaker 4: of some of the players on that side of the ball.
Speaker 4: You've added Odell, You've got some nice pieces of wide receiver.
Speaker 4: There is hope there, but I don't know if that
Speaker 4: all comes together right away. I think you're in a
Speaker 4: really top heavy, rough and tumble division inside a really
Speaker 4: boiling AFC, and the Ravens, to me, are not one
Speaker 4: of the two or three teams that stands out they're
Speaker 4: gonna get this all together. I think Lamar Jackson believe
Speaker 4: in them a lot, but injuries about two years in
Speaker 4: a row sabotage them. I just I just feel like
Speaker 4: ten wins feels comfortable to me. If this were nine
Speaker 4: and a half, I'd really struggle with it. But ten
Speaker 4: and a half, I don't see them going eleven. So
Speaker 4: I'm comfortably taking the Ravens under.
Speaker 7: The only thing I would say is they do have
Speaker 7: a Pro Bowl backup at quarterback and Tyler Huntley.
Speaker 6: Which is that is a very good point.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's hurt.
Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the weirdest storylines of the offseason though,
Speaker 3: is like it doesn't seem like John Harba likes Tyler Huntley,
Speaker 3: like they don't want to want them on their team,
Speaker 3: Like I actually think he might not make their team.
Speaker 3: That they'll trade him for like a late round pick,
Speaker 3: just because he's trying to make Josh Johnson win that
Speaker 3: job over him. It sounds like that it's been an
Speaker 3: open competition. He's hurt right now. Anyways, very compelling, Mark, hmmm.
Speaker 1: All right, buy it.
Speaker 2: I'm up next. I'll do one under as well. All right,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm out of the Bucks. I'm going
Speaker 2: under on the Bucks six and a half six.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I know it's but you know it's it's a situation
Speaker 2: that I don't I don't love the QB head coach
Speaker 2: situation there. I think I think the offensive line declined
Speaker 2: last year, and now you don't have Brady firing it
Speaker 2: out in you know, half a second anymore. The defense
Speaker 2: is a little bit older. We could talk about the
Speaker 2: defense because I'm curious what you guys think about what
Speaker 2: you'll get from them. Their special teams has been bad.
Speaker 2: And then you have the Baker and the Kyle TRASKI
Speaker 2: of it all. Baker is gonna be the week one quarterback.
Speaker 2: Baker loves the hold on to the ball. You have
Speaker 2: Mike Evans there, obviously, you have you have a Godwin there.
Speaker 2: There's those dudes are gonna get some numbers, but I
Speaker 2: think it's more likely this time next year, we're talking
Speaker 2: about Todd Bowles ancient history, Baker and Trask ancient history.
Speaker 2: This is a transition year where they they drop a
Speaker 2: five and twelve on us here and they get a
Speaker 2: quarterback in the draft, and they're rebooting the whole operation.
Speaker 2: So you can make a case that they can hang
Speaker 2: around in that division. I'm gonna say there as a
Speaker 2: team that's gonna take a step back there, and it's
Speaker 2: going to be them.
Speaker 1: I got the bucks.
Speaker 4: Under I just wonder I'll add one little point that
Speaker 4: that puts me on your side. I don't think it's
Speaker 4: that hard to go over in terms of just maybe
Speaker 4: winning a couple of games they don't deserve to win.
Speaker 4: Uh So I was I'm kind of tempting on both sides,
Speaker 4: but I don't like the combination of the quarterbacks with
Speaker 4: Todd Bowles has always sort of struggled. I think to
Speaker 4: find like that play caller and like Dave Canalis. He
Speaker 4: was Gino Smith's QB coach a year ago, but he's
Speaker 4: never called plays and that matters to me. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think you when you hear long time offensive coordinators
Speaker 4: talk about the first year they had to do that Situationally,
Speaker 4: they like, you've just never been in this situation. Not
Speaker 4: that he hasn't, maybe, you know, behind the scenes, gained
Speaker 4: some experience, but the whole combination right there feels like
Speaker 4: it's ripe for underwhelming results on offense and maybe a
Speaker 4: potential disaster.
Speaker 1: Mm.
Speaker 7: I like Todd Bowles. His game management last year was disgusting.
Speaker 1: Hey, we all like Todd Bowles.
Speaker 7: Hey, Bill, They got away with so many backs and
Speaker 7: played in the games last year. It was I sickened
Speaker 7: looking back at some of those games and when they
Speaker 7: punted late in games and still managed to win. The
Speaker 7: Saints game I think was the classic one where they
Speaker 7: did not serve for their single second to win. Yes,
Speaker 7: that's my concern is now it's Baker Mayfield or Kyle Trask.
Speaker 7: The only thing I would say about this is like
Speaker 7: six and a half is not a big number. No,
Speaker 7: But it's just hard. It's hard for me to imagine
Speaker 7: a lot of people going to Las Vegas or going
Speaker 7: on their online sports but sitting there going through the
Speaker 7: numbers and saying, hmmm, I feel good about betting on
Speaker 7: Baker Mayfield and Kyle Trash to win seventyeams.
Speaker 3: People, we're gonna be hammering that under.
Speaker 7: It kind of feels like a trapped to me a
Speaker 7: little bit.
Speaker 1: Okay, I understand that.
Speaker 2: And what I meant with Bowles there is like I
Speaker 2: think we all, including Jets fans, gave Todd Bowles a
Speaker 2: pass for what happened in East Rutherford. But now you
Speaker 2: look at his you know, six years in, he's thirty
Speaker 2: two and forty nine and been to the playoffs once
Speaker 2: and lost, and the playoff was one of the worst
Speaker 2: playoff teams in recent memories.
Speaker 1: Sub five hundred team that won the division last year
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady, with Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: So it's like, and then I know, as Tom Brady
Speaker 2: was to the here's the I guess the other way to.
Speaker 3: Look at the championship coordinator at some incredible as a coordinator, but.
Speaker 2: You're right, great coordinator. Tom Brady last year was at
Speaker 2: best the league average quarterback. So maybe the drop off
Speaker 2: isn't as steep as people might think, but still it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a drop off. And like, I get super
Speaker 2: noivous about a head coach that hasn't gotten results and
Speaker 2: a potential disastrous quarterback pairing in our league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: The only case for them and why I flipped them
Speaker 3: in Carolina and already went under, is just they do
Speaker 3: have good play. Like they have good players on their team,
Speaker 3: Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Tristan Wurf's, Vita Vea, Devin White, Levanta,
Speaker 3: David Shack Barrett, like they Jamel Dean, like they antonin Winfieldy.
Speaker 3: They have a lot of good players on their team,
Speaker 3: which a lot of these teams that like are in
Speaker 3: that six and a half seven five, you know over
Speaker 3: runner don't really have good players or many good players.
Speaker 3: So I just feel like maybe that adds up, But
Speaker 3: I don't feel good about that, should we?
Speaker 7: Just I wanted to see how many how many players
Speaker 7: Greig would keep daming finish the sentence, just like that's
Speaker 7: a lot.
Speaker 3: That's a lot, though, Ryan Jensen, there you go.
Speaker 7: Ran.
Speaker 2: It's like when the in the movie when they're tracing
Speaker 2: the call and the police saying to the person.
Speaker 6: Like keep talking, keep talking, keep talking, keep Yeah, I
Speaker 6: know we got it quick.
Speaker 3: I'll go next with Gregg's up.
Speaker 1: Next thing, we want to do three rounds instead of four? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what happened last All right, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: three pets this year. Okay, so keep that.
Speaker 7: Should we just do it? Can we just do a
Speaker 7: lightning round?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well yeah, last year it was three rounds and then
Speaker 5: a speed round. We're the exact same people. Every single light.
Speaker 6: Rounds go on for fifty two minutes.
Speaker 2: Just to let you know, give us a give us
Speaker 2: eight o'clock the light when we get to the lighting round, gotcha?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: All right, go in the second round. Your second round
Speaker 3: pick is I'm gonna go Bills over ten and a half.
Speaker 3: I just I get the schedule in that. That's why
Speaker 3: why it's low. I get the reason the rest of
Speaker 3: the division is good. I get people are bored of
Speaker 3: the Bills. But like the Chiefs, I do like that.
Speaker 3: You know, they've been so consistently successful. Thirteen wins a
Speaker 3: year ago, eleven, the year before thirteen, the year before.
Speaker 3: Josh Allen's in his prime, the coaches in his prime.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of continuity, and so I just feel
Speaker 3: like I feel safe in their hands, kind of like
Speaker 3: you did with the Chiefs. Maybe not as safe because
Speaker 3: don't think they're gonna win thirteen this year, but I
Speaker 3: man to do it. Can I see them going ten
Speaker 3: and seven? I think that's pretty unlikely. And so to me,
Speaker 3: eleven or twelve wins in them still being the best
Speaker 3: team in the AFCs is the most likely outcome. Doesn't
Speaker 3: mean it's gonna happen, but to me, it's the most likely.
Speaker 2: To get to eleven or twelve, you probably got to
Speaker 2: go what like probably four and two in the division, right,
Speaker 2: doable by that and then take care of the business
Speaker 2: and the rest of it.
Speaker 1: In the out of division schedule.
Speaker 3: The auto division schedules tough, and I see all the weaknesses.
Speaker 3: I just think there's been a kind of looking past
Speaker 3: the strengths. And I I'm a big fan of continuity.
Speaker 3: When your players are actually good and they have it
Speaker 3: and then most teams don't, you can start off the
Speaker 3: season a little faster than other teams.
Speaker 7: Yeah, thirteen wins last year with an injured Josh All
Speaker 7: Half to see passer rating by eighteen points after the
Speaker 7: elbow injuries.
Speaker 3: Yah Von Miller back. At some point you know your
Speaker 3: your secondary is much healthier going into the season.
Speaker 4: Like and I'm guilty of this, but I feel like
Speaker 4: we've all like there's a little bit of bills. Fatigue, Yeah, fatigue, exhaustion.
Speaker 4: Like it's like, I want to just project something different.
Speaker 2: For the the KC pick that you had, it's a
Speaker 2: similar vibe some people like they're not gonna win twelve again,
Speaker 2: or we're sick of seeing them win.
Speaker 3: To be there a little like the Chiefs were a
Speaker 3: year ago at this time where people were a little
Speaker 3: sick of the Chiefs, and there it's still Josh Allen
Speaker 3: and Sean McDermott, who I believe in no question.
Speaker 2: I'm there, by the way, not to because we got
Speaker 2: to keep rolling here. But the you know what's fun
Speaker 2: is the franchise encyclopedia for the Chiefs.
Speaker 6: Let's read the entire thing on air right now here.
Speaker 2: It is Romeo Crenell two and fourteen in twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: Andy Reid comes. Okay, this is years before Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: eleven and five. I'll just do the wins eleven, nine, eleven, twelve, ten,
Speaker 2: Then Patrick Mahomes arrives, twelve, Super Bowl or lost the
Speaker 2: conference game, twelve won the Super Bowl, fourteen lost the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, twelve lost the Conference game, fourteen won the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: That's what I mean, Like they've been the over every
Speaker 4: year that he's been there.
Speaker 1: I'm giving some more juice to your heat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, that's why it's a total sports lock.
Speaker 1: Or more heat to your juice, like a steaming juice.
Speaker 6: That sounds thus appealing.
Speaker 3: Let's move on, Phil, Phil Third pick.
Speaker 7: God talking about the Chiefs. Let's take the team they
Speaker 7: played in the Super Bowl and project them to go under.
Speaker 3: Oh now that's spicy.
Speaker 2: By the way, your last two picks you've gotten after
Speaker 2: Greg's two favorite teams, the Lions and the Eagles, and
Speaker 2: that's not But it has to be the Patriots, has
Speaker 2: to be Bills.
Speaker 6: That's why he's a great guest.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I am here strictly to antagonize Greg. That is the primary.
Speaker 3: Reason total rivals ever since I showed up to like
Speaker 3: a football outsiders meet up at a bar in New
Speaker 3: York in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: Weird what happens to guys? Leather jackets pipe?
Speaker 3: It can only be one?
Speaker 7: Sorry Greg, Greg? Greg, beat the hell outed me? Is
Speaker 7: what it boils sound too?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: No, no, of course it is a They're a good
Speaker 7: team and they're not going to go like six and eleven.
Speaker 7: I don't think they're going to be a bad team
Speaker 7: by any means, but let's go over what they did
Speaker 7: last year, six and one in games decided by seven
Speaker 7: points or less, the healthiest team in football for football
Speaker 7: outsiders adjusted games lost metric, an issue they're already dealing
Speaker 7: with this year. Saw Hassan Redding is having thumb surgery,
Speaker 7: I believe, and he's I believe, going to be around
Speaker 7: for Week one, but that could impact a great player
Speaker 7: for them. And we know they lost a ton of
Speaker 7: talent this hostage, and it was both coordinators, it was
Speaker 7: five starters on defense, both safeties, both starting linebackers. Javon Hargrave,
Speaker 7: their best defensive lineman goes to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 7: There's still plenty of talent here, but this is a
Speaker 7: team that you know injuries have impacted them dramatically in
Speaker 7: years prior twenty twenty one. I think they started thirteen
Speaker 7: offensive linemen or thirteen offensive liven to play fifty stats
Speaker 7: or more in twenty twenty one. They were healthy last year,
Speaker 7: which is great. Obviously a dominant offensive line, but I
Speaker 7: think they take a step backwards in terms of health,
Speaker 7: in terms of talent, they are not as sucky in
Speaker 7: close games. I think they are a ten or eleven
Speaker 7: win team this year, and that might open up the
Speaker 7: NFC East for the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: Wow, spicy.
Speaker 3: I still think their depth is better than most teams,
Speaker 3: so you could survive. And I do think there's actually
Speaker 3: more they can get out of the passing game with
Speaker 3: Brown and DeVonta Smith. So yeah, going to be to me,
Speaker 3: they're the favorites to make the Super Bowl, and so
Speaker 3: that number is not crazy. Eleven and a half is tough, though.
Speaker 3: Eleven and a half is tough for any team in
Speaker 3: a tough division that's playing the AFCA staut Of Division,
Speaker 3: even if they're great. You know, twelve in five would
Speaker 3: be a great season for them, So you're barely clearing it.
Speaker 2: Issen asked me when I was on a show yesterday,
Speaker 2: who is the team that people aren't really talking about enough?
Speaker 2: And I said, this is going to sound crazy, but
Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys, and Eisen looked at me on live
Speaker 2: television and radio like at an elbow growing out of
Speaker 2: my forehead.
Speaker 6: Well, you sound like a psycho.
Speaker 3: That is weird.
Speaker 2: People are talking about them, but not talking about them
Speaker 2: in the way that Bill is alluding to that they
Speaker 2: could win that division, that they have the ability if
Speaker 2: the Eagles come down a little bit, that there's pieces
Speaker 2: in place and could be a fun division race, which
Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of.
Speaker 1: People are talking about.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, that's fair.
Speaker 3: Actually, I think they're the best two rosters, just pure
Speaker 3: rosters in the in the NFC.
Speaker 1: Mark your pick number three.
Speaker 6: I just want to.
Speaker 3: Say to the group that I absolutely love my draft.
Speaker 3: I I think that I sat a fourth round. Don't
Speaker 3: don't well.
Speaker 1: Done half your pick so far?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm about to give you my third right now.
Speaker 4: They sit at eight point five, and I think it's
Speaker 4: not accounting for how juicy they will be, that they'll be.
Speaker 4: Everyone talking about last year is Detroit Lions. This year
Speaker 4: is Atlanta Falcons, who continually stack up more wins than
Speaker 4: anyone expects under Arthur Smith.
Speaker 6: Year after year.
Speaker 4: It's not been like, let's down, I'm not when I
Speaker 4: feel comedy stack wins. I think I think last year
Speaker 4: they were seven. They surprised last year people are just
Speaker 4: counting them out eight point five in that division in
Speaker 4: an NFC, that's sort of a milk toast. They are
Speaker 4: under Arthur Smith, going to punish teams. There are questions
Speaker 4: at quarterback, but I think they did a great job
Speaker 4: retaining their all, keeping their offensive line together. They added
Speaker 4: parts all over the place on a defense that needed help.
Speaker 4: That's a little bit of a wildcard, but I like
Speaker 4: what they did on defense. It wasn't a sort of
Speaker 4: a dream team type splurge. It makes sense what they did.
Speaker 4: I think that you've got guys like Drake London, you
Speaker 4: get a bounce back year from Kyle Pitts. You're not
Speaker 4: putting so much pressure on Desmond Ridder because I think
Speaker 4: this is a team that they showed in the past
Speaker 4: and they're gonna do it again with Bejon Robinson. They're
Speaker 4: gonna run the ball down people's throats and in this NFL,
Speaker 4: if you can do some of those things, if you're
Speaker 4: strong upfront on offense, eight and a half wins is
Speaker 4: not too much to ask.
Speaker 6: I think they're gonna get to nine. I think they're
Speaker 6: gonna win that Divisi like to.
Speaker 2: Find bounce back season for Kyle Pitts because it wasn't
Speaker 2: his fault last year that they couldn't even throw the.
Speaker 4: Ball straight up or just say healthy like he wasn't healthy.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I like they had the metrics of
Speaker 2: like you know, no, nobody got more off target passes
Speaker 2: than the Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that would be better.
Speaker 4: That's that's also I think that was I would say
Speaker 4: that's more Mariota than it was Ridder.
Speaker 6: I thought Ridder.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't have high hopes for him, but
Speaker 4: in each of his starts he got a little bit better.
Speaker 4: It was a lot to ask to throw him in
Speaker 4: there at the at the end of the year, they
Speaker 4: have incredible confidence in him. They're seeing more than we are.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it all on the field. That's the
Speaker 4: next factor. But again, you can you can get to
Speaker 4: nine wins with the way that team is composed.
Speaker 3: I love this one. It's on my long list. It
Speaker 3: wasn't quite quite a steal because I don't I don't
Speaker 3: think it would have made my top four. But I
Speaker 3: don't get if you know, we're not allowed to wager.
Speaker 3: We signed the gambling policy at the NFL. I have
Speaker 3: till August thirty first, you have till August thirty four.
Speaker 3: I don't get why the Falcons are a game lower
Speaker 3: than the Saints, like I kind of like them both
Speaker 3: to have winning records this year. For a lot of
Speaker 3: the reasons. That you said, Ritter is a concern. But man,
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna be a pretty good offense and
Speaker 3: a great, great schedule.
Speaker 2: I'm just I guess I'm not pounding any overs when
Speaker 2: I don't believe in the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: For a team.
Speaker 6: Fair that's that's your prerogative.
Speaker 2: Is that, Oh it's my turn. I don't like the
Speaker 2: vibes in Tennessee. I think that it's it's time. Uh,
Speaker 2: you never faded the big dog, as Evan Silva says,
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry and a lot of people faded the big
Speaker 2: dog last year and he had another representative Derrick Henry season.
Speaker 1: Is it possible that he could do it again?
Speaker 2: Of course, but they have a bad offensive line, not
Speaker 2: a great pass catcher, set up an aging quarterback who
Speaker 2: struggles to stay healthy, especially.
Speaker 1: If he's getting beaten. I like Vrable a lot.
Speaker 2: I think coaching really matters and gets these teams those
Speaker 2: extra wins.
Speaker 1: This is seven and a half. Seven and a half
Speaker 1: is the number.
Speaker 2: I wish it was six and a half, but that's
Speaker 2: how it works. This feels like in a best case scenario.
Speaker 2: Best all right, best case scenario.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm confused. Are you going over or under.
Speaker 2: Under in a best case scenario, I think this team
Speaker 2: goes nine to eight absolute best case scenario. Worst case scenario,
Speaker 2: wheels fall off, and this team could be picking in
Speaker 2: the top five in the draft. So I think this
Speaker 2: feels to me like a seven and ten, six and
Speaker 2: eleven type Titan season most likely with it could get
Speaker 2: much worse than that. I feel good about it because
Speaker 2: I don't feel good about a lot of things with
Speaker 2: this team, and the Traylon Barks thing is not great yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they the wheels fell off last season, so they
Speaker 4: spent all off seasons trying to put them back on
Speaker 4: and they really didn't do much and their offensive line
Speaker 4: is arguably the worst in the league. I don't I
Speaker 4: am comfortable going under with you on that. I'm agreed
Speaker 4: I should mention the Hopkins of it all, and I
Speaker 4: mean that we'll see if he's a difference maker at
Speaker 4: this stage, but I have I'm dubious of that as well.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't feel good about it, but I had to
Speaker 3: actually think I'd go over on the Titans because of
Speaker 3: what Bill said earlier. Quarterback and coach. I still believe
Speaker 3: in Tannehill a as a asset and I really believe
Speaker 3: in Rabel, and more importantly, I really think that defense
Speaker 3: man it looks pretty great. Like I like their defensive line.
Speaker 3: That they had a lot of injuries last year, there's
Speaker 3: just something about them that I can't imagine them falling apart.
Speaker 7: So I would go over, I've got a stat for you.
Speaker 7: I'll just say this, let's see it. I don't have
Speaker 7: a strong opinion about this one, Tennessee. I did hold
Speaker 7: you earlier. I sting research on quarterbacks and how often
Speaker 7: teams played the opposing team's primary quarterbacks, So either your
Speaker 7: starter or in the case like the Steelers, you know,
Speaker 7: playing Kenny Pickett as opposed to Mitch t Bisky. The
Speaker 7: only team in the NFL that played the other team's
Speaker 7: number one quarterbacks seventeen weeks last year, Tennessee Titans. They
Speaker 7: played it at five passion times last year against backup quarterbacks,
Speaker 7: all of which in garbage time. Typical team, about twenty
Speaker 7: five percent of your opposing STAPs are going to come
Speaker 7: against backup quarterbacks. In the NFL, teams in the ninety
Speaker 7: percent range improved by about two and a half wins
Speaker 7: the following season. Tennessee is are like ninety nine.
Speaker 1: I pretty good.
Speaker 7: I I can see the arguments. I'm just I've been
Speaker 7: burned so many times by Mike Brabell. It had to
Speaker 7: pick like his entire team getting injured last year for
Speaker 7: me to finally look smart about fading Tennessee. So I
Speaker 7: see the arguments. To me, this is one I would
Speaker 7: just stay away from.
Speaker 2: I would just say this feel like everything fell apart
Speaker 2: from him. But what did they do? I mean just
Speaker 2: being healthy that's going to be enough because they didn't
Speaker 2: make huge gains.
Speaker 1: I thought in terms of personnel here.
Speaker 7: They were last last of my off season rankings, in
Speaker 7: terms of what they did this offseason, did not like
Speaker 7: what they did. They got a little better after writing Hopkins.
Speaker 7: I think that helped. Even if he's not the DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 7: you know he's he's better than Mick Westbrook Akine like,
Speaker 7: I think that's a big upgrade. But no question.
Speaker 1: Popping the stats there got that.
Speaker 6: That was a fireball metric that you just lost.
Speaker 7: It just got my just just wanted Devil's advocate went
Speaker 7: out there.
Speaker 1: That's good, all right, Greg, your third pick, and then
Speaker 1: we got to eight o'clock to light.
Speaker 3: Okay, my number one overall draft pick last year was
Speaker 3: under billt Bears six and a half and they didn't
Speaker 3: get above three. And I didn't hear any of those
Speaker 3: honking Bears fans who came at me when I picked
Speaker 3: them with my number one overall pick coming back and
Speaker 3: saying sorry at the end of the season. And so
Speaker 3: I'm wrapping up at least the long portion of the
Speaker 3: draft by going under on the Bears again.
Speaker 1: At seven and a half.
Speaker 3: I was reading the camp report and they were like
Speaker 3: talking about who's the camp MVP this and they're like, well,
Speaker 3: clearly DJ Moore is by far the best player on
Speaker 3: this team. And I was like, is that a good team?
Speaker 3: A team that DJ Moore is the best player on
Speaker 3: the team, And then.
Speaker 1: You look at it. Now we're just respect DJ Moore
Speaker 1: over here.
Speaker 3: J Moore is a great player. He's not a top
Speaker 3: ten receiver in the league. And if he's the best
Speaker 3: player on your whole team, to me, that's not that
Speaker 3: talented a team. And you kind of go through it
Speaker 3: and I don't think they're that talented. I think there's
Speaker 3: a lot of reasons. You can see they had a
Speaker 3: good offseason that they can be better, but you're asking
Speaker 3: them to be five games better. I know they had
Speaker 3: a lot of bad luck in terms of one score
Speaker 3: games and all that stuff, But I look at like
Speaker 3: their coaching staff to me is totally unproven. Offensive coordinator
Speaker 3: is unproven, their head coach is unproven. Their defensive personnel,
Speaker 3: to me, as one is pretty unproven. And I don't
Speaker 3: know if Fields is an asset or not. You're kind
Speaker 3: of hoping he's a mid level quarterback. Bears fans hope
Speaker 3: he's even better than that, but I'm expecting mid level,
Speaker 3: and so to me seven and a half too rich.
Speaker 7: Are a lot of a lot of gusto in that one.
Speaker 7: II a real dismissal of the entire concept of the Bear.
Speaker 1: You will not be welcome in the Bear.
Speaker 3: This I looked. I looked over at our friends at
Speaker 3: football all manechoes. I got, oh, and you know who
Speaker 3: they've got projected as for the least amount of wins
Speaker 3: in the entire league thirty two out of thirty two
Speaker 3: this year, the Chicago Bears. So that was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I feel even better about it.
Speaker 6: Feeling even better about it.
Speaker 2: Right here we go speed round eight o'clock. The light
Speaker 2: is a theme song bill that we used to hit
Speaker 2: up some tidbits in the news. It runs one minute
Speaker 2: and twenty eight seconds, and if you if you speak
Speaker 2: beyond that, you die, and Greg you will be picking last.
Speaker 2: So it really it's up to you. It's up to
Speaker 2: us now to least give Greg runway, right, So Greg
Speaker 2: needs the deserves some semblance of time twenty to twenty
Speaker 2: seven seconds.
Speaker 1: Okay, So check out no twenty second sowhere in that neighbors. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So once the music starts, Bill, you will share yours.
Speaker 2: What wait, what's one twenty eight divided by four?
Speaker 6: That would be thirty one thirty two.
Speaker 2: Okay, so just take thirty seconds in your mind. It's
Speaker 2: an internal clock. Good luck to everyone.
Speaker 6: Hit it, Eric Roberts, why am I doing math on air?
Speaker 7: There we go? Brands over six and a half wins
Speaker 7: is my final pick. Just counting on them getting healthy
Speaker 7: after being the second most entered team in football last year.
Speaker 7: Got in a third string offensive lineman. I really a
Speaker 7: bet on Sean McBay and the offense being confident enough
Speaker 7: to carry eight defense. That's Aaron Donald and ten anonymous
Speaker 7: players two seven or eight wins.
Speaker 4: Mark, all right, I'm countering your initial assessment. I'm going
Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns under nine point five. I already said why
Speaker 4: I believe I just I just believe it.
Speaker 6: I believe it. I don't know why. I have a
Speaker 6: weird feeling that things are not going to go.
Speaker 1: I know what you're really doing, swimmingly as I think.
Speaker 1: I understand you stole it from me. I understand.
Speaker 6: I said my bit.
Speaker 2: It's all that I'll rooted all this like stuff personal,
Speaker 2: but yours is more.
Speaker 6: I got your self.
Speaker 1: It's all good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Greg, what about you?
Speaker 1: Oh good?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, of course the New York Jets, everybody get
Speaker 2: out of my life.
Speaker 1: The logic checks out.
Speaker 2: The logic checks out that they will go plus nine
Speaker 2: and a half because they're gonna go eleven and six.
Speaker 1: What possibly could go?
Speaker 3: All right, you took my brown, so I'm gonna do
Speaker 3: what I thought Bill would do at the beginning under
Speaker 3: giants seven and a half. Got a lot of questions
Speaker 3: about that defense. Don't think the offense is gonna make
Speaker 3: up for it.
Speaker 1: Do you got time stretch.
Speaker 3: To Morena? Send a little hard out, No little extraly, Creig,
Speaker 3: just a little extra.
Speaker 6: You just made a fifth sixth.
Speaker 7: It didn't count.
Speaker 1: It doesn't count.
Speaker 7: I guarantee that if you get one of your picks
Speaker 7: wrong next year, you're gonna kind of say, I also picked.
Speaker 1: You know what, you know what we're gonna do here.
Speaker 1: It does things.
Speaker 2: Let's leap out what he said in post because we can't.
Speaker 2: We can't let him have it. Remember as Bill's right,
Speaker 2: Bill's right, he if he has a rough year this year,
Speaker 2: he'll say, well I did get.
Speaker 1: We can't have it.
Speaker 3: We won't remember it.
Speaker 1: You gotta beleep that too.
Speaker 3: You don't even remember we did this. You don't even
Speaker 3: remember we did this segment a year.
Speaker 4: Greg won't remember something he said on the show a
Speaker 4: year before that attached results and competition.
Speaker 3: I don't because I thought we only picked three a
Speaker 3: year ago. I was going by, go get my lunch.
Speaker 3: Thank you to Nick Fortier. Include include all four picks.
Speaker 3: If you want to put my fifth in parentheses as
Speaker 3: a hat, you know that would be fun.
Speaker 1: You'll never hear it, You'll never know what it is.
Speaker 1: I'll DM him. Bill, thank you so much, buddy.
Speaker 2: You gave us plenty of time and now you're gonna
Speaker 2: hit this way too much time. Sorry, Bill, and thank you.
Speaker 2: We just we thank you good man.
Speaker 1: Of course, anytime see it Bill.
Speaker 2: Bill, Well, he said it all, and we've said it all.
Speaker 2: Great week of shows as we continue to drive through
Speaker 2: UH training camps and preseason. We'll be back on Monday
Speaker 2: sharing some thoughts on the second week of preseason action
Speaker 2: and I think we're gonna try to get Colleen Wolf
Speaker 2: back in here if possible for atm another episode of
Speaker 2: the Hard Knocks podcast as well with Connie so the Machine.
Speaker 2: There are no reverse gears in this tank. As I've
Speaker 2: said many times, we are moving forward over rough terrain
Speaker 2: with ease.
Speaker 4: Final thoughts, Mark, I'm just having the time of my life.
Speaker 3: We're getting away from Charles Charles davilas he the call.
Speaker 3: Bill's still there.
Speaker 7: Hi Bill, I'm not leaving. I'm saying it, so.
Speaker 1: UH, let Bill go.
Speaker 7: I'm not I'm not going anywhere. I have more bets
Speaker 7: that I just interplaced him. H