WEBVTT - Creepypasta 2: Disturbing Smiles & Lidless Eyes 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.160 Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from housetop works 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:15.080 dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:17.800 My name is Robert Land and I'm Christian Savior. Yeah 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:22.040 all right, everybody, you ask for it, so you got it. Um, 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:25.279 everyone can really dig our creepy popta episode that we did, 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:27.800 Uh yeah, we expect. We did it back in October, 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.520 doing our our slew of Halloween themed science the episode 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:33.920 that's right. Yeah, And so if you haven't listened to 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:35.520 that one yet, I recommend you go back and listen 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.280 to it. But the basic premise was, uh if creepy 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.320 pastas are short horror stories that are kind of memes 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.879 written for the Internet or just based on images for 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.800 the Internet, right, and we took I think three of 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.879 them that were very science e oriented. It turns out 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.440 a couple of these things are are basically like such 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:59.600 and such thing happens in a mad laboratory, Chaos and sues, crazy, 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.200 experience gets out of hand, people pull their skin off, 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.720 people can't sleep, that sort of thing. And we used 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.200 it as a springboard to talk about actual science that 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.959 not so much the science behind the creepy pasta, but 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.120 the science that can still if you follow the tracks 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.920 of the science from the Creepy Pasta, then you can 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.360 get to some some really cool studies and whatnot. Yeah, 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:21.959 so we took a look at three of them and 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.000 then there was a really positive response to that episode. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:29.039 So we have been recommended over. You know, actually this 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.520 is a good opportunity to plug the ways to contact us. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.679 People have contacted us on Facebook, on Twitter, on tumbler, 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:38.360 and then have emailed us directly asking us, hey do 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.720 more creepy pastas. Uh, and specifically they wanted us to 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.560 cover something called Jeff the Killer. And I was totally 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.800 unfamiliar with this until it was sent to us. Uh 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.200 and uh, I gotta I gotta be honest, It's not exactly, 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.720 uh my favorite of the creepypostas I've read, but I 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.000 can see why it's compelling, especially it's largely based off 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.000 of just like a single image that looks like a 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.160 photoshop kind of creepy joker thing. Yeah, and the image itself. 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:07.440 I was sort of following the the leads. They're like, 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.000 where did it come from? And it's one of these 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:12.880 things where you know, somebody on some message board manipulated 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.800 an image someone else manipulated it, and then there's there's 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.840 some creepy tales about what the underlying image was. So 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.239 some of that is kind of compelling in the sort 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.840 of weird, creepy pasta Where did it come from? Let's 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.600 touch on that just a little bit further. So Aneline 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.720 Knew It's over at I O nine has an article 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.480 the uh that is basically like the expose of of 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.680 potentially where the image came from. And apparently some folks 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.480 over at four chan did some detective work and they 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.840 found out that the image that Jeff the Killer is 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.200 based on is a photoshopped image of a girl who 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:50.040 was being bullied. Uh. Was she being bullied on the 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.120 internet or in real life allegedly anyway, I don't know 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.040 to what extent that all, and and killed herself due 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.919 to the bullying. This is the again another story. There's 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.160 been no evidence to bring this up other than that 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.680 that there seems to be some connection and they they 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.120 brought up the photo and yet does it looks like 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.920 it's the original photo that this was photoshopped off? So 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:13.640 even the origin story of this image, this manipulated images 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.560 kind of kind of goes into like the creepier arthor 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.720 side of the Internet, which I think adds to its 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:23.359 it's appeal. Yeah, um, yeah, I get it. I mean 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.320 I don't know that it's necessarily true or not. I'm 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.440 like pretty sure Jeff the Killer itself is not true, 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.720 and we are not going to if you want to 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.720 read it, you know, stop the podcast, Google Jeff the Killer. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.360 It's on the Creepy Pasta site. But the gist. You 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.280 want me to just throw the summary out there right now? 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.000 Uh yeah, I will. I do want to mention that 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:46.880 that this is one that, like some of the creepy 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:48.880 pastas out there, it's gotten to the point where authors 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.520 will step forward or authors or saying I wrote this 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.440 from the very beginning. This is one that does not 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.560 seem to have an attributed author. If I'm wrong on that, 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.920 let us know and we we'll give you know, proper 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.760 credit where it to do. But this one seems to 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.080 this is an older one. It seems to just they're 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:09.800 different versions of it. Most of them are not not 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:14.160 not not not the most well crafted bits of fiction. Yeah, 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.000 as with most creepy apastas, the the idea I think 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:21.080 is interesting with the prose execution kind of falls apart 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.039 a little bit. And I think that's part it, right, 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.200 because it's like, this is something it must be true. 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:31.200 It's written so poorly, right, it's like the Wikipedia stories. Yeah. Yeah, 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.120 it feels like it was written by five or six 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:34.920 different people who have come in and kind of punched 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.440 up certain sections drop And that is kind of the 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:41.600 magic of the true creepypasta. You know, it shouldn't read like, um, 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.040 you know, a beginning horror rider is just dumping his 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:49.040 his whole draft on the internet. Yeah, that's true. Um So, okay, 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.040 this is the premise of Jeff the Killer. Uh So, 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:56.520 there's this character named Jeff uh and he's a teenager 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:01.039 and he uh is like subject to leeing. He and 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.360 his brother. There's there's some implication in the version that 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.479 I read that there's like a switch that goes off 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.839 in his brain that kind of like unleashes his dark 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:12.640 primal side or something like that during this bullying. Uh 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:16.400 And there are multiple incidents in which, like he confronts 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.360 the bullies and basically beats the living hell out of them, 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.119 and then they show up at like a party or something. 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.680 There's another incident where they hold him at gunpoint in 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.000 front of his parents and other people. Uh and and 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.120 and basically torture him and it causes his face to 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:36.480 be burned. And so following this he goes insane and 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.360 joker style from the dark Knight cuts a smile into 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:44.080 his cheeks so he has a permanent smile, and then 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.000 he burns off his own eyelids so that he can 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:51.800 always see this smile. Uh. And then he subsequently you know, 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.680 this is the like an origin story myth of a 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.400 serial killer who goes from house to house. Uh and 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.240 before he kills his victims, he says, go to sleep. 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.480 I should also add no relation to killer Mike. Yeah, none, 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.600 none that I know of, though Jeff the Killer is 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:11.560 the supporter of Bernie Sanders. It turns out okay, but no. Um. 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:15.279 The funny thing is is that so the story sort 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.800 of starts off as like a from the perspective of 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.120 somebody who's about to be killed by Jeff the Killer, 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.320 and then it kind of flings backwards and reveals the 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:28.800 origin of Jeff the Killer. Um. And it so you're 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.400 probably listening to this and going, where's the science? What 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.560 would possibly be about those of you out there who 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.520 are like these guys have gone a little bit over 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.279 the deep end with the monster horror stuff. We we 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.400 actually did a little bit of digging, and it turns 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.600 out uh not Jeff the Killer wise. But there's three 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.200 topics that we want to touch on here. Uh. One, 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:53.039 people giving themselves permanent smiles and the science of fake 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:57.599 smiling and how our minds react to it. To the 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.960 idea of eyelid replacement surgery, which is apparently much bigger 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.000 of a thing than I thought it would be. Yeah, 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:07.159 I mean it's a it's a rather complex procedure and 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.200 an important one in terms of reconstructive of plastic surgery. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.040 And then the third one is that there's there is 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.920 a strong reality of acid attacks out there. Uh. And 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:23.480 it's it's largely common in countries uh in like Afghanistan, Cambodia, 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:28.160 I believe, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. All of these countries have 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.280 like pretty high incidents and I was shocked to find 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.920 out how often this happens. So well, we'll touch on 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.400 that briefly. Yeah, and that is that's going to be 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.440 you know, some dark, real life stuff there at the end, 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.120 but I encourage you to stick with it. We actually 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.760 had a discussion about whether we should actually discuss that, Like, 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.320 is it is it right to start a podcast off 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.800 with something kind of light and stupid and end up 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.840 in a dark and serious place. But I think so. 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.160 I think it's It's a topic that's worth if you're 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.280 not familiar with it, it's worth becoming familiar with this topic. 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.280 And this is probably one of the better opportunities for 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:02.640 us to discuss it, because it's not the kind of 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.600 thing we would do an entire episode on for this show. Yeah, 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:09.640 I agree. I mean I wasn't. Um. I was familiar 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.680 that this was a thing that happened occasionally, like that 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:14.720 I would hear about in the news, But when we 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.680 did the research for this episode, I was shocked to 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:21.080 find out how frequent it is. And uh, yeah, I 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.480 think it deserves, you know, some time on this episode 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.360 and for people to learn a little bit more about it. 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.240 I'm glad that I learned a little bit more about 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:31.120 it doing the research. So let's uh, let's let's start 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.840 off with the smiling thing. Okay, So this is a 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:38.760 recurring motive in our fiction, the idea of a sort 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:43.120 of creepy smile, right, um uh, it comes up over 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.400 and over again. Obviously, The thing most people think about 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.960 is the Joker for the Batman Villa and the Joker, 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:53.160 which varying depictions either like the dark nightyas the Glassgow 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.840 smile yeah, the Glassgow grind where it's been cut in 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.480 other times as a frozen grin ye, and what he's 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.680 wearing a like a face. Recently, I haven't really been 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.480 keeping up. Yeah, I think I haven't read that storyline either, 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.920 but my understanding is, yeah, he had his own face 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:12.080 cut off and then sewed it back on in a 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.720 smile it. But then I think they've already read contact, 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.000 so he's like that was just like for a year 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.280 or two or something, they but they basically wanted to 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.520 like up the gross out horror factor with a Joker, 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.920 and I think they've scaled back from that, probably because 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.199 they have that Suicide Squad movie coming out later this 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:33.120 summer with Jared Leto as the like punk rock uh 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.880 kid rock version version of the Joker. Yeah, and the 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.520 creepy fake smile. We you know, we encounter that throughout 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.440 our myth cycles. One of the one of the ones 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.320 that I really have been impressed with. And this is 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.360 a recent phenomenon dating back to around nineteen seventy nine 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:55.680 and Japan's uh Nagasaki prefecture. Uh. This is uh the 0:09:55.679 --> 0:10:00.760 the urban legend of the slit mouthed woman or Kuchasaki 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:04.720 Ona and uh basically the urban legend is that this 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.520 this woman was mutilated by her husband. Um. She he 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.240 like slits her the corners of her mouth. So she 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:17.200 has this slit uh slit face and her ghost wanders around, 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.360 comes up with people and ask do you think I'm beautiful? 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.320 And it's apparently like a whole program of how you respond, uh, 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.280 like if you say yes, she'll kill you one way, 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.880 if you say no, she'll kill you another. Um. But 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:30.640 you know, it's very well versed in this sort of 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:36.200 grotesque fake smile. Yeah. Yeah, so this seems to have 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.200 particular resonance in Asian cultures. Um. So there's that myth 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:45.160 I think of Ichi the Killer that MK a movie, UM, 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.760 which I guess is probably part of the inspiration for 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.440 where that Christopher Nolan Joker came from the idea of 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.400 the Glasgow We should probably explain what a Glasgow smile is. 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.080 Obviously the idea of the street gangs in Glasgow would 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.040 slice your face, uh, but give you a fake it 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.120 was sort of like their way to mark you. Uh, 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.079 and I was surprised. I think the actor, I think 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.880 his name is Tommy Flanaganda from Sons of Anarchy. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.680 he actually has like somebody did that to him. Yeah, 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:15.480 I had no idea he was I think a DJ 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:19.320 back in the day because assaulted leaving the club. Wow. Yeah, 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.000 well yeah, so that's a real thing. Um yeah, each 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:24.959 of the killer And then we're gonna find as we're 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.120 talking about it, like there's a big plastic surgery movement 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:32.360 in South Korea that's connected to this sort of enhanced 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.640 fake smile as well. Yeah, And of course if you 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.760 want to see a fake smile, you don't have to 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:41.280 turn to ghost stories and other cultures because they're everywhere, 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:46.679 right the politician, the car salesman, um me. Yeah. So 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.280 like you know, I try my best and I guess 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.679 our stuff to believe in my promotion with those, but 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.520 I'm terrible. I'm one of those people that's just terrible 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.640 at smiling and photographs. And my wife teases me about 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:01.680 it all the time that I'm like that I look 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.600 even creepier when I'm trying to smile, and it's that 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.600 it's that thing where I'm smiling with my mouth but 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.240 not with my eyes. Yeah, it's because the smile, as 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.440 it turns out, is far more complex than just that 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:17.679 fake smile, and we can tell when somebody's fake smiling. 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.160 And I mean, it gets complicated, but it basically comes 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.600 down the way I always think about facial expressions is 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:27.679 your face is a communication array. You know, it's not 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.520 just about voice, it's not just about body and movements. 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.480 It it's it's about you know, where your eyes are looking, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.080 what you'r what, all the expressions and micro spressions, how 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:42.240 they're coming together to communicate with another. Uh, facial communication array. Yeah. 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:47.920 In nonverbal communications studies, Uh, outside of just body language, 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:52.800 like the broad study of body language, facial communication is huge, 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.560 and it adds a ton to how we communicate with 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:59.560 one another outside of you know, our our verbal communications. Right, Like, 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.000 think about when you're talking on the phone, It's it's 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.120 much more limited compared to when you're talking to someone 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.320 face to face and you can actually see the different 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:10.000 ways they're communicating. I'm like waving in my face right now. Yea. 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.360 And of course these are the problems inherent in both 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:17.400 podcasting and email communication, especially So essentially though, there are 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.960 two types of smiles then you can think of as 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.240 the fake and the genuine smile. So first you have 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.120 the doucheen smile. And this is named for French physician 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:31.480 Gillama Duchen, who in eighteen sixty two conducted a slew 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:36.520 of experiments essentially electrocuting people's facial muscles into outrageous grins. 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.520 See like, we didn't really have to go too far 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.240 from Jeff the Killer through science to get to something 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:45.040 just as creepy electrocuting people's faces into smiles. Yeah, science 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:49.360 is inherently weird. So in these cases, the electrical current 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:54.560 activates contractions in two muscles, the voluntary zygomatic major, which 0:13:55.080 --> 0:14:00.760 raises the corners of the mouth, and the involuntary orbicularious oculi, 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:05.360 which raises the cheeks and spreads crowth's feet across around 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.800 the eyes. And that's really that's the that's the part 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.960 that jin generates the idea of the real smile, right 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.320 at the crow's feet and the cheeks raising up um. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.280 There's have also been research There has also been research 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.800 done that patients with damage to their motor cortex and 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:25.480 their brains left hemisphere. They can only smile asymmetrically, with 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.920 the right side not moving the way it should uh. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:33.520 And here's the trick, though, if they laugh spontaneously they 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.960 smile normally, they they'll do one of the douchen uh 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:42.080 smiles without asymmetry. So likewise, when a patient with damage 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.920 to their anterior singulate, which is part of the limbic 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.240 system UH in your brain, when they try to smile, 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:52.200 there's no asymmetry. It's symmetrical. Uh. This whole thing leads 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:56.240 to the hypothesis that the fake smile, what is sometimes 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.640 referred to as the say, cheese smile, is controlled by 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.000 the mos or cortex, where the duchene smile is actually 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.000 controlled by the limbic system, which is the actual emotional 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:08.760 center of the brain. So it's two different parts of 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:13.160 the brain interacting. And not only does our brain generate 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.760 the smiles differently, but it responds to other people's versions 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.600 of these smiles differently. But of course this is because 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.480 so essentially we've we've outlined here that there is the 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.440 genuine smile, there's the fake smile. But of course can 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.680 we tell the difference are creepy smiles creepy because we 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.400 can see through the con well. A two thousand thirteen 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.040 study from the University of La Laguna, Spain investigated and 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.320 they found it on first glance test, subjects had a 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:42.240 very hard time recognizing that fake smile, which surprised me 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:47.200 because there are fake smiles out there that you you 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:49.160 look at it, and maybe it's more a matter of 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.880 projecting on that person, like this politician is smiling, it 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.280 must be fake. That's funny than you said, politician, because 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.240 that's where I immediately go to as well. Yeah, the 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:01.760 dead smile of certain politicians. But yeah, there's another study 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.360 that was done out of North Eastern University in Boston 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.520 that found that two thirds of individuals can fake a 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:13.920 deucene smile well in a way that people can't distinguished, 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.360 They can't tell whether they're fake smiling or real smiling. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.240 I'm not one of those two. I'm know I'm the 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.040 one third that can't do it because whenever I do it, 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.160 it looks like, you know, I'm dead inside, like I 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.680 look like Jeff the Killer. Well, then there's also this 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:32.400 I feel like there's this feeling daily interactions. Um, not me, 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.440 any of it, just everyone is that fake smiles are 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:40.640 kind of uh expected fake smiles, fake laughter. So sometimes 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.320 you're you're chatting with somebody and there ha ha, they're laughing, 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:47.360 they're smiling, and on some level I know that this 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.320 interaction is either maybe not completely fake but at least 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:55.600 punched up. Uh, And it feels okay because I expect that. Yeah, 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.480 it is sort of the motions of every day like 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.480 human beings just trying to get it along, right. And 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.960 then there's sometimes maybe this says something more about me, 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.080 Like every the audience is gonna learn today that I 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.840 can't actually fake a smile and that I get irritated 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.399 by people who do fake smiles. But like I'll be 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.120 sitting there and overhearing kind of those you know, those 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.439 conversations where I know one person is angry at the 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.080 other person, but they're they're faking their way through it. 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.520 They're smiling, they're doing the kind of fake laughter that 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.119 to just kind of make their way through the conversation 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.240 and get get away from conflict, right, avoid conflict. That 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:32.040 drives me crazy. I'm conflict oriented, I guess, But yeah, 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.560 it is it's it's it's every day. It's every day 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:38.240 for human beings. Um, and it's there's tons of studies 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.800 into this. Like when we dove into this, I thought, oh, 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:42.600 well that you know the Jeff the killer smile things. 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.640 Sure there's gonna be a little bit of research into 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.360 the fake smiles. But it was like a sea of research. 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.040 I think we only script the top of it here. Yeah, 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.600 now to to return to that that Spanish when study 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.920 I was mentioning just a second ago, they found that 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.719 the longer they looked at the individual, the longer the 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:01.359 longer one person looked at the other person, uh, taking 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.520 in all the details of the expression, the more they 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:08.040 saw through uh the ruse. However, in the cases, test 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:12.800 subjects ultimately classified ambiguous smiles as happy, since their eyes 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.720 were drawn more to the smile than to the eyes. 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:17.880 And that probably has something to do, I would imagine. 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:22.520 With these were both done in Western societies. There's an 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:26.720 aversion to looking at people's eyes too long in Western culture. 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.400 In facial communication as well. I used to talk about 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.040 this with my students when I would I was teaching 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.480 communication classes that like, if you you know, obviously you're 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.600 expected to maintain eye contact for a certain amount of 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.679 times so that you can convey your interests, right, But 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.720 if you just stare directly into a person's eyes while 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.040 you're communicating and don't unlock. It becomes very uncomfortable pretty quickly, 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:50.400 right Uh, And so I wonder if that has something 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.280 to do with it as well. But also like the 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:55.760 crow's feet thing, right, Like that's a detail that becomes 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:59.160 more obvious the longer that you're staring at somebody too. Yeah, 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.320 maybe I didn't stop staring at you this whole time. 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.320 Yeah he didn't. He held he kept committed to the bit, 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.399 and I was the only one who got to stick 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.760 to it. I find myself in certain situations, Uh feel 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:11.760 I feel like I'm playing a game of like staring 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.480 chicken with someone, and I'll become super conscious, am I 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.000 staring too long? It? Should I be breaking my eyes away? 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.320 How uncomfortable am I? And then sometimes I think, should 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:26.400 I just keep staring to maintain to like wine? And well, 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:28.840 that's there's something to that as well, and we'll talk 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.119 about in a second. Uh. But the whole thing is 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.960 super confusing to our brains too, right, Like, think about 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.800 our poor brains, Like it's trying to process generating these smells, 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:40.440 but then it's trying to also process like interpreting whether 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.359 these smells are genuine or not? Right, Uh, and U 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.679 c l a scientist named Marco I A. Caboni, I 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.239 believe it's how it's pronounced. Uh. He noted that our 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.440 brains are actually, you know, wired for sociability. That makes sense. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.280 We're social animals, and if we observe another person smile, 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:00.680 it mirrors the neurons in that person's brain. They will 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:02.920 light up in our own brains as if we are 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.840 smiling ourselves. Right, So there's that idea too, that like 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.919 the smile is contagious, and then which we're we're going 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.960 to talk about as well today, that the smile itself, 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:16.320 whether it's genuine or not, generates happiness. Yeah. So yeah, 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.320 the the issue is is not as cut and dry. 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.719 Now that being said, if the smile fake smile is 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:25.760 cut into the person's face, yeah, you're probably gonna catch up. Yeah, 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.919 your brain will probably figure that one out. For the 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:32.040 rest of us though, dealing with just normal fake smiles, Um, 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.560 you're probably wondering, how can you consciously detect one? Well, 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.840 we already mentioned that it's a little problematic, but according 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:42.280 to body language expert Nicholas Freed, it you look at 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:44.960 the crow's feet. Okay, look to look for their bottom teeth. 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.840 If you can't see them, might be a fake smile. Yeah, 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.200 what that makes sense? Like, I guess when I think 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.359 of like really emphasizing the fake smile to the point 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.760 of like making it creepy on purpose, that's when you 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.960 like you really like bite down on the teeth and uh, 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:04.680 demonstrate your your your lower teeth. Yeah, I could see that, 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.840 but then like you've got to keep those those eyes dead. 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:10.960 No crow's feet. I wonder if people who know who 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:13.480 you know, naturally through aging or whatever, just have more 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:16.680 crow's feet are better at the faking thing. I don't 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:20.120 know that. I'm sure there's somewhere that we missed on that. Yeah. 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:25.080 So yeah, basically, the the involuntary movements of the orbicularious 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:28.560 oculi or key here. This can cause the eyes to close, 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.639 while fake smilers often keep their their upper face very still, 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.320 and that doesn't work. It might He's a media lab 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.879 has developed an algorithm that allows machines to pinpoint fake 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.680 happiness and frustration as well, which leads to a whole 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:46.359 bunch of uh, you know, potential applications in our our 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:48.600 cybernetic future. Right, you can have some sort of app 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:52.520