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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you spending your fridays with us. It's

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Speaker 1: been a wild week. I mean, I feel like I

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Speaker 1: know you feel the same way half to Buck. Every

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Speaker 1: time you think, hey, maybe we're gonna have a little

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Speaker 1: bit of calmness, maybe everything's gonna just kind of slow down,

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Speaker 1: it feels like everything keeps accelerating. We were down at

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Speaker 1: mar Lago on Tuesday talking to forty five himself President Trump.

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Speaker 1: By Wednesday, full on war had effectively begun to break out.

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Speaker 1: And now Friday, as we are talking to you, we're

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Speaker 1: continuing to update you with the latest on the situation

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine. We've also got a brand new Supreme Court nominee,

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Speaker 1: Katangi Brown Jackson, who was on the DC circuit officially.

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Speaker 1: News as broken on that. And I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about an angle in Ukraine that I believe is going

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Speaker 1: to become the focal point as we go forward, and

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Speaker 1: that is what happens to several different individuals in the

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Speaker 1: Zelinski family. Buck Zelinsky put up, the leader of Ukraine

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Speaker 1: is refusing to leave the country. He is also saying

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Speaker 1: that he's refusing to have his family leave the country

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Speaker 1: as well. Now we don't know whether for sure his

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Speaker 1: family is still there. I would say I would have

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Speaker 1: This is me speaking as a dad. I've got three

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Speaker 1: young boys, obviously my wife. I would not want them

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Speaker 1: in the country with me at all. If I was

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Speaker 1: in the midst of a Russian invasion, I would want

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Speaker 1: my wife and my kids out of the country. I

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Speaker 1: believe Buck you said he has a seventeen year old

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Speaker 1: and a nine year old, two kids, and I hope

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Speaker 1: that they are going to be safe, all of them.

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Speaker 1: But if Russia, and there are reports that these Chechen

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Speaker 1: assassins are effectively roaming the streets right now of Kiev

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Speaker 1: looking for high profile targets, meaning high echelon government employees

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Speaker 1: as well as the president and his advisers, if Russia

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Speaker 1: captures and kills him, I think it's going to connect

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Speaker 1: in a way that many other deaths do not, because

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Speaker 1: we know that this is an invasion of a democratic country.

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Speaker 1: But if you are then stripping the leader out of

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Speaker 1: his position and potentially executing or imprisoning him, that is

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Speaker 1: going to be a next level form of usurpation. I

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Speaker 1: think as many people are going to see it. And

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Speaker 1: it's not just him. By the way, For those of

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Speaker 1: you out there who are boxing fans, two of the

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Speaker 1: most well known boxers in the last twenty years or so,

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Speaker 1: the Klichko brothers, both of whom were champions. One of

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Speaker 1: them is the mayor of Kiev, the other one is

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Speaker 1: also Ukrainian. They're both worth fifty million dollars or more

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Speaker 1: based on what they made in their boxing careers. They

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Speaker 1: are right now fighting against the Russians as well, which

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Speaker 1: represents a form of bravery that is all too rare

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Speaker 1: in the world of athletics intersecting with politics. But these guys,

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Speaker 1: I think for many Americans are going to become the

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Speaker 1: face of the Ukrainian struggle. You know, Clay, It's almost

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Speaker 1: hard to believe when you read about where Zelenski comes from.

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Speaker 1: People refer to him he's a comedian and an actor.

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Speaker 1: But his most well known role, this is true, everybody.

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Speaker 1: Zelenski's most well known anything in his professional career before

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Speaker 1: becoming president was he played an everyday guy who ran

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Speaker 1: for president of Ukraine on an anti corruption platform. He

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Speaker 1: then decided to run for president of Ukraine on an

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Speaker 1: and became the President of Ukraine. So, I mean, imagine

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Speaker 1: if remember the movie Dave with I think it was

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Speaker 1: Kevin Klein where he plays the the the the sort

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Speaker 1: of stunt double almost of March from West Wing. Imagine

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Speaker 1: that I think Martin Sheen does think that he's the president,

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Speaker 1: or that he was at least for a while. But

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Speaker 1: imagine that they ran. So, I mean, you have and

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, you have now one of the most

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Speaker 1: with you know, an M sixty basically, or you know,

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Speaker 1: he's taking automatic weapon. Someone's gonna yell at me it's

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Speaker 1: not an M sixty, but he's you know, he's he's

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Speaker 1: taking up arms himself as the mayor. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is what's actually happening in this city. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would ever expect that the you know,

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Speaker 1: ever going to have bandaliers of ammunition on him and

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Speaker 1: was actually going to take up arms in defense of

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Speaker 1: his city no matter what happened. I mean, these are guys,

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Speaker 1: there's a heroism narrative here that you're seeing among the

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Speaker 1: are who are donning body armor and saying and women, yes,

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Speaker 1: and we will fight to the death to defend our parliament. Um.

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Speaker 1: There are there are lessons that I think a lot

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Speaker 1: There was an outpost of of border effectively border guards

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Speaker 1: Russian warship said surrender. And there's there's actual audio of

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Speaker 1: this which we you know, it's in Ukrainian, so wouldn't

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Speaker 1: make more sense to play it here. But in the translation,

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Speaker 1: they essentially say, okay, guys, what should we tell them?

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Speaker 1: And they say, go bleep yourselves is what they say

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Speaker 1: to this Russian warship, knowing that they're about to get annihilated,

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Speaker 1: but they wanted to make a point. They were going

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Speaker 1: down fighting. If that mentality is more widespread in Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: we could see a very protracted struggle that the casualty

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Speaker 1: figures for the Russians right now are being reported at

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Speaker 1: over a thousand for the first day. I have no

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Speaker 1: way of you know, I'm not in the induct community anymore,

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Speaker 1: haven't been in years. I have no way of validating

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Speaker 1: But there is a possibility here, Clay. I mean, I know,

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Speaker 1: it's war. It's horrible. It's the ugliest thing that occurs

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Speaker 1: the ugliest thing that's going to occur anywhere in so

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Speaker 1: many ways. But there is this possibility that perhaps this

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Speaker 1: the short term that will happen, but depending on how

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Speaker 1: this goes. Remember the Soviet Union was undone by its

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Speaker 1: invasion of Afghanistan. It was a long time coming, but

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Speaker 1: That was what actually brought them down. If you're talking

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Speaker 1: stuff becomes very visceral, This becomes very emotional for people

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Speaker 1: it hits them in the gut when they see these

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Speaker 1: stories of brave Ukrainians defending their own homes and their

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Speaker 1: is running over them because they couldn't just have a

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Speaker 1: real negotiation over NATO. That's what's going to go on here.

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Speaker 1: So there is the possibility that you see greater. We

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Speaker 1: didn't mention this yester of the show. There were protests.

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Speaker 1: They are being cracked down on viciously, which we knew,

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Speaker 1: be a lot of pressure brought to bear who behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes as well. You know, remember Putin, it's got

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Speaker 1: a scary military and a lot of nukes, but it's

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Speaker 1: some reasons to hope that maybe maybe this brings down

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Speaker 1: player named Andrei Rublev wrote right after his he advanced

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Speaker 1: that is a different level of bravery too. We talk

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Speaker 1: much about all the athletes and entertainers and everybody else

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Speaker 1: him to have been willing to do again right after

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Speaker 1: the final there. Yeah, I mean, taking a knee at

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Speaker 1: If you're a Russian federation citizen and you do something

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Speaker 1: I know how the FSB works. They'll they'll put a

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Speaker 1: And when you get rewarded for something. To me, in

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Speaker 1: toward those goals? Well, I'll tell you, um, I lived

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Speaker 1: you can imagine how attractive that made me to the

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Speaker 1: cost me three hundred fifty thousand dollars in legal fees,

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Speaker 1: and of course it's all crap, It's all fake. I

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Speaker 1: was working for Boris Yeltson, then president, and I was

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Speaker 1: sent there by Hillary Clinton's husband, Bill Clinton to try

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Speaker 1: to help them with their transition to democracy. The situation

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Speaker 1: who worked in and the presidential administration were public servants.

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Speaker 1: When Vladimir Putin came in, we you know, we remember

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Speaker 1: two thousand and six, two thousand and seven ran around,

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Speaker 1: we realize it was a totally different place. Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 1: The people around him that we call him the Siloviki,

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Speaker 1: make money on the side. You get to you know,

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Speaker 1: I was in Russia, oil was about seventeen eighteen a barrel.

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Speaker 1: Now it's one hundred and sixty dollars a barrel. These

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Speaker 1: people are spending that money just building ugly homes. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, their children and are in all the

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Speaker 1: boarding schools and their mansions in Mayfair, London. They all

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Speaker 1: hang out in the vip lounges of Paris. They live

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Speaker 1: and co ops in Manhattan. All these people, these old regards,

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Speaker 1: these Siloviki, these billionaires who are around Vladimir Putin. They

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Speaker 1: should be sanctioned. We should round up their children, their wives,

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Speaker 1: their cooks, and their drivers and take away their visas

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Speaker 1: you know why, because they own London and because they're

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Speaker 1: We don't do it because we're complicit in it. Michael

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Speaker 1: bad Michael Caputo, author of the Ukraine Hoax. Michael, thanks

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Speaker 1: for bringing your expertise to the show today. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Man. I love that fired upon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you first, we're watching ukranking very closely.

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Speaker 1: The gunfire in and around Keeve is happening, missile strikes

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Speaker 1: were watching this. But there's nothing new to update you

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Speaker 1: with right now other than this war is under way.

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Speaker 1: I think people are starting to recognize that even for

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Speaker 1: A BIDE administration is you know, asleep at the wheel

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Speaker 1: and no surprise, and they're now escalating and escalating, which

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Speaker 1: they should have They should have escalated beforehand so that

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Speaker 1: they could have had anyway. Well, we'll be following Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to switch gears because we have Alex

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Speaker 1: Barrens and joining us in just a few minutes to

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Speaker 1: talk about the latest on the data. And here's something

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Speaker 1: we mentioned the CDC has. They're now going to their

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Speaker 1: press blacks to say, oh, isn't this great? And right

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Speaker 1: in time for the State of the Union address next week, Clay,

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Speaker 1: which we'll both be live tweeting, so that'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: They'll be there'll be some snark from Clay and Buck, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, deserves a lot of snark because BIDE

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Speaker 1: administration is a joke, an unfunny one. But there's Clay

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Speaker 1: pointing this out to me. I live in New York City,

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Speaker 1: as you all their listeners, and happy one hundredth Anniversity

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Speaker 1: to WR which was earlier this week. But I live

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Speaker 1: in New York City, and I'm a New York City

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Speaker 1: guy born and raised there. I didn't even know and

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Speaker 1: I'm not the only one. We had some other folks

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Speaker 1: here on the team in New York, Clay, some with

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Speaker 1: school aged children. I don't even know there's an outdoor

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Speaker 1: school mask mandate in New York City. Technically children have

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Speaker 1: to be masked outdoors still to this day. Oh wait,

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Speaker 1: they just removed it was the news headline. I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: here saying their rules are so stupid and so not

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Speaker 1: even just arbitrary, so baseless that they're even dumber than

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Speaker 1: I think they are. And I think that Fauci's the

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Speaker 1: worst person in America, although Wilenski is pretty close. This

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Speaker 1: is why won't they speak out against this. It's so

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Speaker 1: obvious because they don't want to be treated for They

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Speaker 1: don't want to be treated with scorn in the green

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Speaker 1: room at CNN or whatever, not that anyone goes into

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Speaker 1: green rooms these days. An outdoor mask mane for schools Clay,

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Speaker 1: you can't make this stuff up. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: it is in my own city. I don't have school

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Speaker 1: aged children, though I knew it still existed in LA,

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Speaker 1: and I think they did away with it in LA

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Speaker 1: shortly after the embarrassment of the Super Bowl when they

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Speaker 1: saw everybody. And there's a debate about whether Sofi Stadium

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Speaker 1: in la is considered indoors or outdoors. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: got a roof, but it's still somewhat considered to be outdoors.

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Speaker 1: Partly too, I'm not an expert in the architecture there,

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Speaker 1: but when nobody had a mask on at the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: it was hard to argue that kids had to have

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Speaker 1: masks on. And it really started to crumble quickly in

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Speaker 1: relation to that after over one hundred million people watched it.

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Speaker 1: But Buck, when I saw this, they say that ending

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Speaker 1: the indoor mask mandate for kids is quote just around

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Speaker 1: the corner. Now what that means, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: know that they're doing away with it in my hometown

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Speaker 1: of Nashville finally for all the public school kids. But

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Speaker 1: they're not doing it till after spring break. So, as

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Speaker 1: you well know, and as anybody who's watched the data

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Speaker 1: over the past couple of years, in March and April

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Speaker 1: and May, the number of COVID cases have been declining. Precipitously.

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Speaker 1: It happened in twenty twenty, it happened in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: There's reason to believe it will happen in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: As things get warmer, the amount of virus disappears. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: this will be the last year we ever have to

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Speaker 1: talk about this. But the question that I want the

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Speaker 1: here in a moment on the latest COVID data, is

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Speaker 1: when in the world are we not going to have

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Speaker 1: to wear masks on airplanes? I mean, when is that

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Speaker 1: officially going to give up the ghost? And you'll remember,

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Speaker 1: was it earlier this week we talked to Rand Paul.

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Speaker 1: I think it was on Monday, and Rand Paul pointed

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Speaker 1: out that it's the CDC that has put in place

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Speaker 1: the mask mandate. It's not a federal law that has

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Speaker 1: been passed by anybody in the House or the Senate.

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Speaker 1: And there is a challenge right now that has been

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Speaker 1: levied by the state of Texas that says, hey, this

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Speaker 1: mask mandate doesn't make any sense and there isn't any

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Speaker 1: justification for it. And oh, by the way, it also

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Speaker 1: may exceed the CDC's authority, as the eviction moratorium did,

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Speaker 1: and as the vaccine mandate did. I hope that wins,

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, it just needs to get go.

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Speaker 1: There's no reason scientifically to justify it in any way.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm telling everybody, and I've said this for a

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty when you had a lot of conservatives saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: I know what the Democrats are gonna do. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: summer twenty twenty, Okay, it's going back quite a ways.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna remove all the restrictions, and they're gonna say, oh, look,

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Speaker 1: as soon as Biden takes power, they're gonna say, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh. You know, was that became a little bit

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Speaker 1: and I said, no, they like this. They will keep

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Speaker 1: doing this. They are devoted to this. Now. It's almost

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Speaker 1: like a religious belief and clay. If masks stay on planes,

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Speaker 1: it is just a matter of time before they bring

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Speaker 1: it back in schools. We are gonna have another upper

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Speaker 1: respiratory virus season next year. There's gonna be the same neurotics,

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Speaker 1: the same we're defend we're protecting you. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: in the last twenty years. Does anyone really think that

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Speaker 1: there's a big concern about shoe bombs still? Well, no,

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Speaker 1: but that's just the federal agency policy that they stay with.

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Speaker 1: It is a maybe get better scanners that can find

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Speaker 1: the shoe bombs, no, take your shoes off no more.

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Speaker 1: Do they still have the three Liquidhouns rule? I think

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Speaker 1: at me. Yes, I think it's like seventy dollars, the

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Speaker 1: the best seventy dollars I've ever spent. I will say

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Speaker 1: that the only reason I think that some of these

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Speaker 1: abject fear in the Biden White House right now and

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party because they don't have anything to

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Speaker 1: Tuesday Night to hear what Biden tries to spin, and

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Speaker 1: by spin, I mean whether he can actually read the

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Speaker 1: I don't even know. We've talked about this. I think

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Speaker 1: the other side, what would be your pitch Buck, I

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Speaker 1: can't even think of a non laughable argument to make

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Speaker 1: I mean hun dozens for me, I bet it's hundreds, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: dozens of times at least. And I just want to

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Speaker 1: say to all of those people that they should they

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Speaker 1: should go fauci themselves because they're horrible and they were wrong.

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Speaker 1: And Berenson has the data, and we want to get

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Speaker 1: into that. Coming up here in just a second, what

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Speaker 1: does the data tell us about those hospitalizations vaccination boosters.

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Speaker 1: Notice they're not talking about it anymore, almost like they

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Speaker 1: want you to forget all about this. We are not

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Speaker 1: forgetting about it. On Clay and Buck coming up in

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Speaker 1: just a second, Fleet Travis and Buck Sexton on the

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Speaker 1: front lines of truth