Speaker 1: Look Mayre.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see you my own look over there is
Speaker 2: that culture? Yes, wow, lost culture ding Dong Lost Culturesa's calling.
Speaker 1: Well, you have a mug that will be relevant to
Speaker 1: our discussion later of the years. We're back on track,
Speaker 1: Thank goodness.
Speaker 2: You know about my thing with mugs, right, I have
Speaker 2: a collection of mugs like coffee mugs people.
Speaker 1: I think most people have a collection of us.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's what you need to you,
Speaker 2: but not everyone has a theme for their mugs, is
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. You know about my thing is.
Speaker 1: The theme mugs? What is the theme?
Speaker 2: No, the theme of my mug collection is the movies,
Speaker 2: theme park attractions. I always go to the gifts shop
Speaker 2: and I always get if I enjoyed a ride our attraction,
Speaker 2: I get the theme park mug. And so today I'm
Speaker 2: drinking coffee out of my Jurassic Park mug from Universal Studios.
Speaker 1: I think it's funny the Jurassic Park is itself a
Speaker 1: theme park. But can I apologize to you right up top?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: M hm, I'm sorry, my sister for making light of
Speaker 1: your really beautiful curation of mugs. I did not mean
Speaker 1: to undermine you have a really intentional, beautiful theme that
Speaker 1: is so you and so true to this and new
Speaker 1: to this. It's hold on, hold on, You're true to this.
Speaker 2: I'm not new to this. I'm true to this. Do
Speaker 2: you have anything that you sort of collect? I know
Speaker 2: the answer, But tell everyone about your collection.
Speaker 1: What's the answer. What do you think it is? I
Speaker 1: want you to say, does it have to do with
Speaker 1: a certain food item?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I collect two things.
Speaker 2: Now tell them about your collection, Tell them about your tastes, styles,
Speaker 2: and aesthetics and value.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with the more sort of the drier one,
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna go to the more fun one.
Speaker 1: The the more sort of like immediately meaningful one is horses,
Speaker 1: because we're still a lunine or happy lunineer.
Speaker 2: To you, thank you, sister, and to you.
Speaker 1: My fellow horse. I collect horses. I have horse figurines
Speaker 1: throughout my apartment. My mom will always bring a horse
Speaker 1: to me, a little horse thing every year. To me.
Speaker 1: I think I'm filled to the brim with horse.
Speaker 2: Is it an auspicious animal?
Speaker 1: I think so? I think so. Wouldn't you agree, I
Speaker 1: would say, I would say. And then my other thing,
Speaker 1: which I think is what you were thinking, I would say,
Speaker 1: are my tomatoes? I have little tomatoes throughout the house.
Speaker 2: Can I say? Bowen has the best smelling hand wash
Speaker 2: I have ever encountered in certainly a friend's dwellings, maybe
Speaker 2: even in the wild at large, Like I've never what
Speaker 2: is it? Where's it from?
Speaker 1: It's they do? They do? Tomato leaves hand soap.
Speaker 2: Tomato leaves hand soap. And when I first saw it,
Speaker 2: I said, now I'm not going to be leaving this
Speaker 2: bathroom with my hands smelling of tomatoes. And then you
Speaker 2: do it. Oh, and by oh god, it is so good.
Speaker 1: Yes, Becca, it does sound good. Beca's chiming in and
Speaker 1: it's chic. And then I have my pencil holders are
Speaker 1: tomato cans, yep. And then I have a tomato drawing
Speaker 1: that I framed that I drew.
Speaker 2: What draws used?
Speaker 1: What draw what draw drew?
Speaker 2: What draws you to Torando's What drew you to tomatoes? Like?
Speaker 2: What is it about tomatoes that made you say? I
Speaker 2: want to remember.
Speaker 1: Her when I was a kid and into my adulthood
Speaker 1: in my thirties. Still, you know, I guess this doesn't
Speaker 1: happen as much anymore, But remember when you were a
Speaker 1: kid growing up, and someone'd be like, I can read
Speaker 1: your mind. Think of something like when someone tells you
Speaker 1: to think of something mm hmm, Like the first thing
Speaker 1: you think of when blank, In any situation where someone
Speaker 1: tells me, what's the first thing you think of when
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. No matter what the condition is, I
Speaker 1: think of tomatoes. Oh, it is the thing that like
Speaker 1: pops in. And it's so interesting that you hate them.
Speaker 2: It's not that I hate them, It's just that I
Speaker 2: don't like them plain. But maybe maybe is the fates.
Speaker 2: I love tomato sauce, I love tomato soup. Maybe what's
Speaker 2: happening is the fit love Ketchup. Not crazy. I mean,
Speaker 2: like the way I just said that, people would think
Speaker 2: I'm some sort of like freak for Ketchup like Ketchup.
Speaker 1: No, you just like you like lekopede, you like the
Speaker 1: nutrients in the tomato leaf in the plant.
Speaker 2: I think that's what it is. But something about tomatoes
Speaker 2: by themselves, like I can't like if I'm ever eating
Speaker 2: a salad and there's tomatoes and them, you will see
Speaker 2: them there at the end. They will get thrown out.
Speaker 2: I often ask for no tomatoes. I certainly think that
Speaker 2: what chases me away from certain burgers is the fact
Speaker 2: that the presence of tomatoes is highly likely or even
Speaker 2: the thought of even the thought of tomatoes being on
Speaker 2: them will make me completely invalidate at McDonald's menu item,
Speaker 2: I famously will never even touch a Big Mac because
Speaker 2: I think there's tomatoes on them, even though you.
Speaker 1: Are going forward that they will never be once again,
Speaker 1: there will never be a tomato and a Big Max.
Speaker 1: So you can order them, you're safe.
Speaker 2: Why won't you do it? Because I just I've made
Speaker 2: my decision about this, Okay, it is what it is. Crazy.
Speaker 2: This is crazy. Oh and then maybe your love of
Speaker 2: tomatoes is maybe there's a reason why we are the
Speaker 2: besties that we are because the Faith said he is
Speaker 2: going to teach him about tomatoes. This no, this is
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. Is basically like we are friends, close friends.
Speaker 2: Twenty years later we become friends. No, that would mean
Speaker 2: we take a break. Just in twenty years. Something's gonna
Speaker 2: happen with tomatoes. That's our this is me now.
Speaker 1: That's our motorcycle accident in the desert or wherever they're
Speaker 1: in the icy desert and the icy desert Okay, can
Speaker 1: I really quickly just before we talk about j Lo.
Speaker 1: The other thing about tomatoes that is really sort of
Speaker 1: imprinted is that when I was little, my mom would
Speaker 1: cut up, slice up tomato and then sprinkle sugar over
Speaker 1: it and put it in a plate sort of like
Speaker 1: Nobu style, as if it was like a delicious fish,
Speaker 1: and then my sister and I would eat it would
Speaker 1: be like an afternoon snack, and like tomatoes and scrambled
Speaker 1: eggs such like staple like Chinese like college student dish
Speaker 1: that like really like It's like tomatoes are so important
Speaker 1: across the world, and I think tomatoes. I think the
Speaker 1: Italians gave the Chinese tomatoes, and the Chinese gave Italians noodles,
Speaker 1: and so like Hiki, we gave Marco Polo pasta, and
Speaker 1: we as in China. I'm like aligning with China in this,
Speaker 1: and Marco Polo gave China tomatoes. I think, wow, maybe
Speaker 1: we gave both. I think we gave Italians a lot,
Speaker 1: and that's a rule of culture. I think China gave
Speaker 1: Italians a lot, including COVID, including co. The cultural exchange
Speaker 1: that we're talking about here is so beautiful, yes, and
Speaker 1: I love to see that there's a Chinese and of
Speaker 1: someone that people think is Italian here in the I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, people and I dead ass thought you
Speaker 1: were Italian when we first met. I like, there's something
Speaker 1: Italian about it. Turns out it was just the longest
Speaker 1: a lot of.
Speaker 2: Very Italian things about me. I think my general demeanor
Speaker 2: from being of Long Island is a little Italian, gives
Speaker 2: a little Italian. I think my complexion gives a little
Speaker 2: Italian because there's some olive tone, there's some Mediterranean then there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure. I certainly whenever anyone accuses me or says Italian,
Speaker 2: I say, I understand, I understand. It's like when anyone
Speaker 2: ever comes up and goes, you're Ryan, right, or Chris,
Speaker 2: or you're justin or aren't you James. It's like, yeah, basically.
Speaker 1: Is that what you say to them?
Speaker 2: I don't like that as a joke. I often go, well,
Speaker 2: we're all the same. No.
Speaker 1: I think from this point on, after this week, if
Speaker 1: anyone says you're Ryan, you're justin, you're that person, right,
Speaker 1: you go, Vin.
Speaker 2: This is me, not.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is me, Matt, that's the title
Speaker 1: of that. No, No, this is me dot dot dott.
Speaker 2: This is me, Matt slash Bowen slash Bowen. Did you
Speaker 2: get a chance to watch the film?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 1: And can we just give it up for this duo
Speaker 1: of Jlo and Dave Myers, who have worked together for
Speaker 1: truly decades. What a beautiful I kind of love that
Speaker 1: part the most is that very two people who very lasting.
Speaker 1: These are two people who trust each other's visions so much.
Speaker 1: I was just watching it the whole time, going, you know,
Speaker 1: thank God, something like this is getting made.
Speaker 2: Yep, even though she had to pay for it herself.
Speaker 2: Oh is that right? Yeah, So she basically like in
Speaker 2: the many dozens of interviews I've been watching with her,
Speaker 2: because I've now sort of I mean, I was on
Speaker 2: Jlo's Wikipedia last night, like I was like going through it.
Speaker 2: And also so much has to be said about Jlo,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like right now, it's a little bit
Speaker 2: of it's a little bit of a fraught moment right now,
Speaker 2: because she is literally everywhere. She got the new album,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people have certain things to say
Speaker 2: about like the Ison original and the fact that like
Speaker 2: you know, it's meta on meta, self aware, on selfware,
Speaker 2: like a lot of people always have everything to say
Speaker 2: about her, and you know that's by virtue of who
Speaker 2: she is, correct, And what I really like watching about
Speaker 2: these things is it's kind of like seeing just an
Speaker 2: artist go completely unchecked and say exactly what they want
Speaker 2: to say. Yeah, and in doing so they reveal a
Speaker 2: lot about themselves. And I feel like what Jennifer Lopez
Speaker 2: has revealed about herself ultimately is this like I'm a
Speaker 2: hopeless romantic thing, like I'm a rom com queen thing,
Speaker 2: like I'm Jenny from the Block thing, Like it can
Speaker 2: all sort of be, you know, narrowed down to the
Speaker 2: fact that she's just like she's just a lady. She's
Speaker 2: just a basic lady like everything like anyone else. She
Speaker 2: happens to be incredibly talented, but at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, what she thinks about a romance and astrology
Speaker 2: and her husband and like that is truly universal. I
Speaker 2: think it's beautiful. I think the fact that she said,
Speaker 2: you know, so what, I'm gonna put twenty million dollars
Speaker 2: into this thing where ultimately it's kind of about like
Speaker 2: my astrology guides is so revolutionary basic woman that I'm
Speaker 2: I'm truly obsessed like and I do think that her
Speaker 2: mass appeal is so on display here because anyone could
Speaker 2: watch this and even though it's completely insane, like emotionally,
Speaker 2: you can understand every beatavent Oh absolutely. Is it high art? No,
Speaker 2: but it's populist, it's j LO and you know she
Speaker 2: made it because I genuinely think she believes people will
Speaker 2: A understand me better after this and B be able
Speaker 2: to know what I'm talking about because we all want
Speaker 2: love and we're all hopeless romantics in some form. That's
Speaker 2: really it. She provided this entertainment. Is it Grammy Oscar whatever? Winning?
Speaker 2: Is it a little goofy, a lot goofy at times? Yes,
Speaker 2: but she fucking went for it and I was high
Speaker 2: as a kite and I lived my life watching this.
Speaker 1: Oh great. I don't think there's like an unintentional goofiness
Speaker 1: about any of it. I think she's like the whole.
Speaker 1: Like all the Zodiac guides sayings were played for comedy,
Speaker 1: the wedding was basically played for comedy in a way,
Speaker 1: and sort of like poignantly shot and like really well edited,
Speaker 1: I think. And I just have to say my main
Speaker 1: takeaway was, aside from the things that you've just laid out,
Speaker 1: which is what she wants us to know, is that
Speaker 1: she loves love and that's it, not that, but that
Speaker 1: that is like her essence. But I also am just
Speaker 1: thinking to myself the entire sixty minutes of this film, thinking, God,
Speaker 1: she's so compelling to watch. She's such a good actor,
Speaker 1: she is such a good dancer, and the vocals she's
Speaker 1: like delivering what she has to deliver as it complements
Speaker 1: the rest of this work, and I think that is beautiful.
Speaker 1: I don't think she was being too lofty in what
Speaker 1: she was trying to do here. I think she kind
Speaker 1: of accomplished everything she had to do.
Speaker 2: I think that, like in terms of her voice, what
Speaker 2: she has is a sound that I think is pretty identifiable,
Speaker 2: and even in looking into her from the very beginning,
Speaker 2: because I was really in the Wikipedia last night, like
Speaker 2: going back to her first album, on the six, Don't
Speaker 2: disrespect on the six, Like on the six was great.
Speaker 2: On the six had hits. On the six was at
Speaker 2: the forefront of what they call and I think that
Speaker 2: some people take some exception to this, like including the
Speaker 2: people involved, but like that Latin pop explosion, like that
Speaker 2: she was the forefront of that. Ricky was at the
Speaker 2: forefront of that. Enrique was at the forefront of like
Speaker 2: she really like was part of creating a very popular sound,
Speaker 2: and a lot of those songs hold up, like when
Speaker 2: you hear waiting for Tonight now when You're out, it's
Speaker 2: a moment everyone everyone pays respects, and just going back
Speaker 2: to that like that was a huge risk. And that's
Speaker 2: something that I I think doesn't get said about her
Speaker 2: enough is that pretty much everything she does, because she
Speaker 2: is so watched and so deliberated, everything she does is
Speaker 2: a huge risk. So being this like established movie star
Speaker 2: going into full pop star, not even ironic pop star,
Speaker 2: not even singer, going into a full attempt at a
Speaker 2: ten out of ten pop star marquee idol was a
Speaker 2: huge risk, and she pulled it off. And she is
Speaker 2: consistently more than anyone else in our culture gone between
Speaker 2: those identities of the triple threat thing, she really walks
Speaker 2: the walk.
Speaker 1: Think about this hugely successful recording artist in multiple genres,
Speaker 1: hugely successful actor in multiple genres and media in terms
Speaker 1: of film and television. The fact that she had shades
Speaker 1: of blue, like yeah, not even ten years ago, is
Speaker 1: that she did like a procedural show in her career
Speaker 1: sort of lifespan is wild to me, and I like,
Speaker 1: you must respect you simply must literally that love question
Speaker 1: Mark as an album, like jettisending her into like performing
Speaker 1: at the World Cup. It's like, this is an international entertainer,
Speaker 1: literally world class superstar. She is one of our best.
Speaker 1: You must acknowledge, you must acknowledge and respect her. Watching
Speaker 1: Barbera in the movie that is real because I remember
Speaker 1: when she came to HOSTESSNL. I sat down next to
Speaker 1: her in the post pitch meeting. She was clutching before
Speaker 1: anyone else had the coach barbar streisand collection clutching her
Speaker 1: barber streisand bag, and I was like, oh, I love that.
Speaker 1: She goes thank you, she strokes and she goes funny girl.
Speaker 1: Like she goes funny girl. I'm like, oh, I sin
Speaker 1: now like she like wore Barbara the entire week because
Speaker 1: she was hosting, and it was like, bitch, go off,
Speaker 1: go off, and Jaylo is funny. You have to say
Speaker 1: that too. I have all these imperatives. I'm making all
Speaker 1: these imperatives, like Jlo is fucking funny.
Speaker 2: When you look at the filmography, though, like this very
Speaker 2: rapidly became what. I don't think anyone thought it was
Speaker 2: going to become which was a j low Stan episode.
Speaker 2: But like, you look at her filmography, and first of all,
Speaker 2: if you don't think that the fact that she was
Speaker 2: in Shades of Blue was the last thing I thought
Speaker 2: about last night before I closed my eyes, you are
Speaker 2: deeply mistaken. I literally I got through Wikipedia. I was
Speaker 2: watching interviews with her till so late. She was on
Speaker 2: Kelly clarksondly give her like twenty minutes. I watched like
Speaker 2: both for Zay and low Apple interviews, like I was
Speaker 2: been in Wendy Williams like ten times. Wendy loves her. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm talking about this press cycle in particular. This
Speaker 2: mama was very ware. She was talking about.
Speaker 1: The project, and she's very winning on every talk show.
Speaker 2: She's very relaxed, and it feels like she's really confident
Speaker 2: about what she's made. And it feels like, also she
Speaker 2: must have genuinely checked out of caring about what people
Speaker 2: think about her. And we're in because she's out there
Speaker 2: like pretty much just laying at baar like about what
Speaker 2: this is and why it is, et cetera. But I
Speaker 2: was looking at her filmography and it really is the
Speaker 2: versatility is there? I mean, you forget about what she
Speaker 2: was doing in the late nineties or late two thousands,
Speaker 2: like she was in out of sight, you know she
Speaker 2: and also not for nothing, but god, I have.
Speaker 1: To stop saying that phrase. But no, don't, don't, don't
Speaker 1: ever stuff.
Speaker 2: From the very beginning of her career, pretty much she
Speaker 2: was not only like exemplifying her talent in all these
Speaker 2: different ways, but she was setting trends left and right, like,
Speaker 2: for example, the juicy tracksuit thing, the hoops, the newsboy caps,
Speaker 2: like that was pretty much all.
Speaker 1: Over the neckline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was reading on her Wikipedia that
Speaker 2: there's something about the way that she impacts culture and
Speaker 2: style trends. For example, like her celebrity fragrance basically created
Speaker 2: the idea of the mainstream celebrity fragrance. Like there was
Speaker 2: obviously Elizabeth Taylor, and then Glow by j Low was
Speaker 2: the first one that was like I remember my mom
Speaker 2: getting Glow by Jay Looh, my mother, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: I think her count on her fragrances is like she's
Speaker 1: she's over two billion of them. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: she sold like she's moved that many skews, but I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like twenty fragrances in the line.
Speaker 2: Oh right, And what I'm saying is like her impact
Speaker 2: on culture is not a joke, Like it's pretty much
Speaker 2: always been that way too, And for example the Versace dress,
Speaker 2: like that's just like an isolated moment in time. But
Speaker 2: these are things that are like really lasting in the culture,
Speaker 2: and they came from one person and that person.
Speaker 1: Who fool images came from one person.
Speaker 2: Really and also someone who could have so many times
Speaker 2: been so identifiable with an era like Jlo could have
Speaker 2: just been an early two thousands thing like one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: Like there's no reason why she shouldn't have been done
Speaker 2: done and ben Affleck too, after the benefit of it all,
Speaker 2: after Jilie, after like the p Diddy of it all,
Speaker 2: after so many things went down, or her career and
Speaker 2: how big she was, there's no reason why that shouldn't end.
Speaker 2: But it has lasted because of her talent and her
Speaker 2: talent alone. So when she gets ultimately to this point
Speaker 2: in her career where she's like, I'm putting a ton
Speaker 2: of money into this thing that I want to say,
Speaker 2: I have to stand up and applaud that because not
Speaker 2: a lot of people get that opportunity, and not a
Speaker 2: lot of people get to execute that opportunity. M h.
Speaker 2: And who's to say if it's done the way people
Speaker 2: would want it to be done, Like, it's not necessarily
Speaker 2: I don't think it's like, yeah, I guess what I'm
Speaker 2: saying is like it doesn't have like the kindest reviews.
Speaker 2: But I think it's like beside the point.
Speaker 1: I think this is the thing about j Loo too,
Speaker 1: she didn't care. Is that if she doesn't care, amazing,
Speaker 1: But it's like the audience doesn't care. Yeah, we're watching this,
Speaker 1: like this was all anybody was talking about with me
Speaker 1: this weekend, and it was no one said a peep
Speaker 1: about the reviews. Everyone was just like it's insane, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's that I mean, like it was it
Speaker 1: really ran the game of like it didn't matter if
Speaker 1: someone told me if someone thought it was bad, I
Speaker 1: would just be like, oh, I thought it was so
Speaker 1: out there that I kind of had to love it,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But that's the Jlo thing too, where like she transcends
Speaker 1: any kind of critical evaluation in terms of the broader
Speaker 1: cultural impact. If one fucking idiot doesn't like what she
Speaker 1: fit's out, it doesn't matter. Yeah, And I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's like admirable necessarily. I just think like, this
Speaker 1: is the reality and this is what we're dealing with.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's like you're saying, it's besides the point,
Speaker 1: I think. And she did one of the best super Bowls,
Speaker 1: one of the best super Bowls.
Speaker 2: Absolutely one of the best super Bowls. And I remember
Speaker 2: like when she came out at the top of her
Speaker 2: super Bowl performance, like after Shakira did her thing, she
Speaker 2: was also amazing. You see Jlo where you're just like absolutely, hell, yeah, there,
Speaker 2: she is a superstar. We were all free Larson weeping
Speaker 2: at the Golden Globes at that moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And people can interpret this, j Loo love how
Speaker 1: they want. Thoughts about what is your interpretation about the
Speaker 1: accident in the beginning of the film spoiler alert, by
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 2: Spoiler alone for this is me now. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that the motorcycle accident on the icy desert basically symbolizes
Speaker 2: her and Ben flying too close to the sun. I
Speaker 2: mean I think they were going too fast, too dangerous,
Speaker 2: like they basically they lost control. Okay, Yeah, and that
Speaker 2: was what broke her heart well, she talks about this
Speaker 2: pretty candidly too, like in the interviews, like the Jlo
Speaker 2: and Ben thing basically was so heartbreaking because it wasn't
Speaker 2: the fact that they didn't love each other. It was
Speaker 2: the fact that they couldn't handle everything around them, how intense,
Speaker 2: like how intense it was, how negative people were, how
Speaker 2: much people seem to not want them to make it, Oh,
Speaker 2: how dis respectful people were to her and to him
Speaker 2: by nature of them being together, because remember they were
Speaker 2: both trash for being together. And these are two you know,
Speaker 2: you can be a fan or not, but these are
Speaker 2: two incredibly talented people. And I think these are people
Speaker 2: who obviously when they split up, went on to then
Speaker 2: go to career heights like they already were a list,
Speaker 2: and then when they separated there it actually got even
Speaker 2: bigger for both of them because they went on to
Speaker 2: critical bona fides. They became monoculture, they were, and then
Speaker 2: they really solidified like Ben Affleck and Jlo are famous, famous, famous,
Speaker 2: And so I think that what was so heartbreaking about
Speaker 2: it was knowing that they had every good intention going
Speaker 2: into it and really loved each other, and it was
Speaker 2: that thing of essentially a pretty mature decision to make
Speaker 2: before you get married or before you go too far
Speaker 2: of like we have to stop or else we might
Speaker 2: resent each other because they resent us. And so this
Speaker 2: is just it's a star cross thing. I mean, like
Speaker 2: we're not gonna work out because we can't get out
Speaker 2: of our own way situationally. And then what I will
Speaker 2: say is it is dangerous to put out there that
Speaker 2: in twenty years you could get back together with that person,
Speaker 2: because you know that had me spun out, oh.
Speaker 1: Let me spun out. Theirs is a very unique situation.
Speaker 2: I was in the mood to just sit here and
Speaker 2: watch all j Loo for twelve hours, like I really,
Speaker 2: I really was, like I was in my j Low moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the fact that the documentary doesn't come out to
Speaker 2: the end of the month, I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, maybe by the end of the
Speaker 2: month we'll be moved on. But I will say, smarter
Speaker 2: for her to just like do the complete media assault
Speaker 2: now in this like tiny window of time before all
Speaker 2: the girls stopped to the front, I know, because it
Speaker 2: feels like she really hit her Valentine's moment, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like everything about this felt pretty writing, especially,
Speaker 2: and she gets this for something that in a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks people aren't going to be talking about anymore.
Speaker 2: Like this is a little blip, and it's a jalo blip,
Speaker 2: and it's beautiful and gorgeous and chaotic and insane, and
Speaker 2: then it'll be over.
Speaker 1: A jalo blip can ripple out in a serious way.
Speaker 1: And that's a rule of culture.
Speaker 2: That's a major culture, that's real. Quaestion number forty blip
Speaker 2: can in a major, serious way.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, couple of things to share. First of all,
Speaker 1: Gregory Maguire reached out on Wednesday to confirm that he
Speaker 1: does listen to the podcast. I am so sorry. I
Speaker 1: apologized over email, I said Gregory, I did not mean
Speaker 1: to assume anything about your listening your media diet. Very
Speaker 1: very nice of him. Unbelievable that someone like him would listen,
Speaker 1: but love.
Speaker 2: That it's because he recognizes this as a Glenda alphabet story.
Speaker 1: It's a Glenda alphabet story. Gregory I think is a finalist.
Speaker 1: He did not have self identifying any way towards me.
Speaker 2: Certain finalist. That's a definition of a finalist, someone who's
Speaker 2: fully formed in the culture, who don't need this.
Speaker 1: Who gave us a cultural artifact, who expanded this story
Speaker 1: of a universally known narrative in a way that is
Speaker 1: maybe not technically canonized, but is like the like prequel
Speaker 1: to The Wizard of Oz as far as the culture
Speaker 1: is concerned.
Speaker 2: Can I say that I'm just beaming sitting here smiling,
Speaker 2: beaming because speaking a finalist. And I'm just gonna say
Speaker 2: this because I feel like we've been talking about j
Speaker 2: Lo as someone who did the crossover thing between acting
Speaker 2: and singing and also was very identifiably of a time
Speaker 2: and like, yes, understood the test of time. There is
Speaker 2: a finalist who has identified themselves as a finalist in
Speaker 2: that they are a reader katie publicist of this podcast,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna come on the show. And I have
Speaker 2: to say, Mandy Moore, we are so obsessed with you,
Speaker 2: anily Cat. I swear to God, I'm in the damns
Speaker 2: with Mandy Moore. She's gonna come on the show at
Speaker 2: some point. And I just felt like, while we were
Speaker 2: talking about Jayla, I was like, wait, there's literally someone
Speaker 2: else too that like I'm gonna cry a full icon
Speaker 2: for decades.
Speaker 1: I know the question that I'm going to ask her
Speaker 1: that I've been wanting to ask her for oh twenty years,
Speaker 1: since two thousand and three. I've wanted to ask her
Speaker 1: this question twenty one years.
Speaker 2: So do you want to put the question out there
Speaker 2: now because she may hear it? Okay, Mandy, you now
Speaker 2: are gonna hear the question, and you have time to
Speaker 2: think about this one.
Speaker 1: Mandy Moore, did you have a Zanga page in the
Speaker 1: heyday of zanga? Because there was a mandymore dot zanga
Speaker 1: dot com where she was writing blog posts and there
Speaker 1: were this was the days before verified, and so like
Speaker 1: I was on that zanga every day hearing her talk
Speaker 1: about was just on set, was just in the studio,
Speaker 1: and the way she wrote was so beautiful and poetic.
Speaker 1: If that was her, I need this for my soul, man.
Speaker 2: Because also like, well, you need it for your soul
Speaker 2: because what if it wasn't her and you were dame it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't it will be devastating, but not not altogether unsurprising.
Speaker 2: Wow wow, to think about a celebrity blogging and like
Speaker 2: what two thousands.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and two, I was at like the library
Speaker 1: on the computer on zanga, reading my friend zengas. But
Speaker 1: then like, I really want to know Mandy Moore zanga,
Speaker 1: like what Mandy Moore is saying? And then she used
Speaker 1: the phrase in one of her posts, to put it mildly.
Speaker 1: And as a twelve year old, you hear that and
Speaker 1: you go, well, that's my new favorite fucking phrase to
Speaker 1: put it mildly.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: We say that all the time as adults. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: sure in this generation, but in two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: if you were twelve years old, that blew my mind.
Speaker 2: You're to put it mildly? Do you know what mine was?
Speaker 2: What it was Mariah Carey using the word nonchalantly in
Speaker 2: her songs. I immediately was like, what is is that?
Speaker 2: That word word? And I looked it up and it
Speaker 2: was like, oh, it's like uncaring, like when you do
Speaker 2: something like and it feels secondhand like you nonchalantly tossed
Speaker 2: off a phrase. Are you nonchalantly? Like you know, made
Speaker 2: mention it? And I was like, I will use that
Speaker 2: incessantly to quote another another Mariah way, and like, but
Speaker 2: Mariah's vocals, she loves her adverb. Clearly she had an
Speaker 2: impact on the girls because here's fucking Mandy Moore to
Speaker 2: put it mildly, and that that's a true cultural print moment. Bow,
Speaker 2: and the fact that you remembered that all these years later,
Speaker 2: that Mandy Moore said to put it mildly in her
Speaker 2: Zenga blog.
Speaker 1: If it wasn't her, then I will be chilled to
Speaker 1: the bone.
Speaker 2: No, oh my god, that would be chilling.
Speaker 1: But if it was her, I will cry. I will
Speaker 1: burst into tears. I promise if she says that was
Speaker 1: my zanga, I will cry, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And Mandy don't because we've DMed it several times back
Speaker 2: and forth and I just smile beaming the whole time.
Speaker 2: Don't answer that question yet, like we don't want to know.
Speaker 2: We need to know when you come on and this
Speaker 2: has to be in person and bone. You have to
Speaker 2: come to La for that. We have to figure out
Speaker 2: when you're gonna come to LA next.
Speaker 1: Okay, no problem, Maybe March I will fly to La
Speaker 1: on my own dime for Mandy Moore. Los cull terestas absolutely.
Speaker 2: I have to say, do you remember? Okay? I think
Speaker 2: my favorite Mandy Moore ever is only hope, No, No,
Speaker 2: Although incredible. First of all, it's really hard to say
Speaker 2: this because there's so many good songs.
Speaker 1: I would watch the Cry music video by the Way
Speaker 1: on the Walk to Remember DVD every day after school,
Speaker 1: keep going. I'm sorry I had.
Speaker 2: Do you know how many times I watched your Walk
Speaker 2: to Remember and wept and wept and wept. It became
Speaker 2: you ever watched those movies enough where it becomes more
Speaker 2: about you crying about the movie. Like I was just like, well,
Speaker 2: I want to absolutely sob, so I'm going to watch
Speaker 2: you Walk to Remember again.
Speaker 1: I want to absolutely sob to Walk to Remember or
Speaker 1: and this is back in the days of DVD. I
Speaker 1: want to laugh my ass off. To the commentary featuring
Speaker 1: Adam Shankman, several times they are they are having a
Speaker 1: gas laughing at Darryl Hannah's wig. Oh my god, Oh
Speaker 1: my god.
Speaker 2: Don't let me wait when you mentioned wig. I have
Speaker 2: to get to something, but first, let me just say
Speaker 2: the Mandy Moore song. I try, but I I want
Speaker 2: to be with you. I used to just be in
Speaker 2: my bedroom, like running around in circles thinking of like
Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess that was in like fourth grade,
Speaker 2: like Kristin Rocco, who I had crutch just like me,
Speaker 2: like he what a bit with you? Like listening to
Speaker 2: this like girls song thinking about I guess a girl,
Speaker 2: I'm a linked gay ass. Oh my god, I love that.
Speaker 1: An amazing whole album.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Mandy Mandy, to say nothing of Saved,
Speaker 2: to say nothing.
Speaker 1: Say nothing of, how to deal, to say nothing of,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry the song Guardinia play Gardinia Now, Readers, Katie's
Speaker 1: publicist finalists, you will not regret it. She was doing this.
Speaker 1: She's not new to this.
Speaker 2: She's true this. It's actually a real culture. Number seventyymore is.
Speaker 1: Not new to this.
Speaker 2: She's true to this. And you can see her now
Speaker 2: on Doctor Death season two on Peacock and it's an
Speaker 2: anthology Peacock, We love you. I mean that really, that's
Speaker 2: what it is. Because when I first dm'd her, she
Speaker 2: was like, well we should wait till after the strike,
Speaker 2: and I was like, and then I remember I saw
Speaker 2: her on the Today Show something Jaylo was wont to do,
Speaker 2: and Mandy Moore is also want to do when she
Speaker 2: is a project discussing Doctor Death, and I was like,
Speaker 2: now did we miss our window here? But the thing
Speaker 2: about Mandy Moore is there will always be a project
Speaker 2: and that's where look coatch your number ninety it will
Speaker 2: always always be a project.
Speaker 1: We're so excited. Oh my god, Mandy is everything. She
Speaker 1: was my life. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Whenever people would be like, Okay, Brittany Christina and I
Speaker 2: was just like, definitely respect both. Definitely for sure. Brittany
Speaker 2: has a place in my life and cultural history. Christina
Speaker 2: has a place in my life and my personality formation.
Speaker 2: And then there was Jessica, who was you know, fun
Speaker 2: on Newly Went. She did her thing. And then Mandy
Speaker 2: Moore was not only right there with them, but also
Speaker 2: smart enough to be like, you know what, I've had
Speaker 2: a competing with these girls. I'm doing my own thing.
Speaker 2: I'll catch you later. After my covers album, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: coverage o her Yes coverage. The song choices on that album,
Speaker 2: by the way sophisticated. She is covering Mona Lisa's and
Speaker 2: Mad Hatters by Elton not just any Elton john song,
Speaker 2: a fucking deep cut of an Elton Johnson No. And
Speaker 2: I remember when it came out. I was excited because
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, covers, like thinking it's gonna be like
Speaker 2: songs you hear on fucking American Idol. And then my little,
Speaker 2: my little ass, I didn't know any of these have
Speaker 2: a little faith in me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, go college a single by the way, the lead single,
Speaker 1: this girl is an artist down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and such a gorgeous voice, and not only gorgeous voice,
Speaker 2: but identifiable voice. It's like what we were saying. It's
Speaker 2: like the thing of like you hear Mandy Moore and
Speaker 2: you're like, that's Mandy Moore and she's perfect for Tangled.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, my mind. I could cry to death.
Speaker 2: I could cry to death.
Speaker 1: Did I just recently talk about this line read Entangled?
Speaker 1: When she's telling Donna Murphy, I will never She was like,
Speaker 1: I will spend the rest of my life trying to
Speaker 1: get as far away from you as possible.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you to me at the end of
Speaker 2: a long day.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow Mandy Okay. But then to reference another recent
Speaker 1: guest or another guest, I ended up going to Wrestless
Speaker 1: leg tour at the Beacon.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, how was it?
Speaker 1: Just like top to bottom sublime.
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, I'm so upset, I couldn't go.
Speaker 1: It's everything you want them to do. And then they
Speaker 1: both individually did like a stand up set and like
Speaker 1: both had different angles and takes on it. Like Amy
Speaker 1: was giving like kind of like beautifully pensive thematic on
Speaker 1: this thing on like memory, and it's like all these
Speaker 1: great bits and stories and jokes, and then Tina comes
Speaker 1: in and just sort of like does without spoiling too much,
Speaker 1: like she's doing like her idea of what her doing
Speaker 1: stand up should be. Basically that's funny and it's it's
Speaker 1: so funny, And they do an update thing basically, oh man,
Speaker 1: where the top jokes were that day was like Trump
Speaker 1: has to pay like three hundred and fifty million dollars,
Speaker 1: like the news broke that day, and then they had jokes.
Speaker 2: They had fresh updatey jokes about it.
Speaker 1: I was just like, God, these women and like hearing
Speaker 1: them do update, I was just like I remember their
Speaker 1: cadence and their like delivery on it, like and how
Speaker 1: like stylistically, it's not any better or worse than like
Speaker 1: what Seth was, what Colin and Chase is now and
Speaker 1: like what like it's just you realize, Oh so each
Speaker 1: update era is like its own flavor and tone and
Speaker 1: I kind of forgot that about SNL, which is kind
Speaker 1: of crazy. But like hearing Amy read jokes and Tina
Speaker 1: read jokes, I was like, whoa, this is like this
Speaker 1: is a fucking trip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a trigger. It's like a good trigger.
Speaker 2: It's like it takes you back to that time when
Speaker 2: you're like like, oh my god, Tina and Amy on update.
Speaker 1: Because the thing about comedy is it's not like playing
Speaker 1: the hits necessarily like a musician does, right, Like you know,
Speaker 1: like you can be an act with like twenty year
Speaker 1: old songs, right, you can play those songs and the
Speaker 1: crowd goes wild. You can't really do that with comedy
Speaker 1: unless there's something, unless the container is similar, but whatever
Speaker 1: the content is has to be fresh and new, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So like that's the trick about like touring and just
Speaker 1: doing comedy in general, is that like if you're a name,
Speaker 1: you kind of have this bar to measure up to.
Speaker 1: And like the fact that they still do it so
Speaker 1: it seems like it's soortless, but you can appreciate the
Speaker 1: work that goes into it, like, which is not to
Speaker 1: say that it's labored at all. You cannot see them sweat.
Speaker 1: It's just so special to watch them do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're fucking phenomenal, Like these are the
Speaker 1: best we have.
Speaker 2: They're the best of what they do. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: funny that you mentioned that, like the legacy artist thing,
Speaker 2: like Billy Joel comes out and does like New York
Speaker 2: state of Mind, like Tina and Amy doing weekend Update
Speaker 2: is them doing their New York state of Mind, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And right, but but except they
Speaker 2: have to have to fill it with new content, so
Speaker 2: it's like it's a different challenge.
Speaker 1: As we're talking about time though, It's like there are
Speaker 1: comedians as we know, who have like kind of tainted
Speaker 1: the legacy because of like the way that they update
Speaker 1: oh god content. Like that is the thing that is
Speaker 1: kind of remarkable with Tina and Amy, and that's it's
Speaker 1: not to say that they're the exception to the rule,
Speaker 1: but there is a way to do it where I
Speaker 1: think like they are not necessarily confined to any sort
Speaker 1: of formal thing besides the update piece. But the rest
Speaker 1: of the show is like built to their strengths and
Speaker 1: also them trying new things. But it's like they also
Speaker 1: have the benefit of not having to go up there
Speaker 1: just by themselves with a microphone. Yeah, but they can
Speaker 1: like do things that are like legible and familiar to
Speaker 1: the audience and then loosely sort of break out of
Speaker 1: that and then piece it back together by the end
Speaker 1: in this way that is like comforting and really really
Speaker 1: cathartically funny.
Speaker 2: But also if they were to go out there by
Speaker 2: themselves with the mic, they would be fine. And here's
Speaker 2: the first because they know what's important in terms of
Speaker 2: comedy and in terms of like really being an entertainer
Speaker 2: and a lasting entertainer, which is exactly what you said.
Speaker 2: They're not fixated with the past and how it's like
Speaker 2: affecting their present, like all these comedians, like these iconic comedians,
Speaker 2: like you know who they are, who are so angry
Speaker 2: and up in arms about like what the cultural reality
Speaker 2: is now, like getting all up in arms about like
Speaker 2: you know, trans rites, getting all up in arms about
Speaker 2: like woke culture that they are no longer funny and
Speaker 2: they have lost sight on what's important, which is entertaining.
Speaker 2: And the conclusion I keep coming to is if you
Speaker 2: are unable to participate in now because of the past,
Speaker 2: you cannot be a part of the future. Like if
Speaker 2: you are so tripped up in what is happening right
Speaker 2: now because.
Speaker 1: Because of this confectedness to the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this like romanticism of yesterdayar and this need for
Speaker 2: things to be the way they were. It's fine, Like,
Speaker 2: you can continue to kick around in that slop, but
Speaker 2: you will not be a part of the future.
Speaker 1: I think they're banking on the future being not linearly progressive,
Speaker 1: that it will.
Speaker 2: Circle back, that will like realize that what like quote
Speaker 2: unquote wokeness is a trend, like people finally having the
Speaker 2: right and ability to speak up for themselves, being like, hey,
Speaker 2: this type of humor is only funny to a certain
Speaker 2: type of person, and it really degrades and demoralizes and
Speaker 2: dehumanizes a whole group of people. So maybe if we're
Speaker 2: actually funny, we should be able to do something else.
Speaker 2: Like they think that that idea is what a fad?
Speaker 2: Maybe good fucking luck, good fucking luck. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: Madam Web. Did you see it? Yeah? I did?
Speaker 1: Oh tell me everything.
Speaker 2: A lot of people are saying that this movie was
Speaker 2: not so bad, that it's good, Like a lot of
Speaker 2: people are saying, like he was just boring. No, I
Speaker 2: think the movie was so bad. I had a great time, Like,
Speaker 2: I love it. I had the best time watching this movie, Like,
Speaker 2: and I didn't think it was boring. I just thought
Speaker 2: it was completely insane and unhinged. And what I love
Speaker 2: about it is Dakota Johnson's knowledge frame to frame that
Speaker 2: this is horseshit. Like Dakota Johnson, I want to be
Speaker 2: like her friend because she is.
Speaker 1: Just there, Like she's a good vibe. I can report.
Speaker 2: You can tell like she's delivering the lines like just
Speaker 2: enough so that it's acceptable to be cut, but also
Speaker 2: like there's like this little way where she's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, man.
Speaker 1: Like not to conjecture. I think she was giving that
Speaker 1: in fifty Shades too.
Speaker 2: I think she was.
Speaker 1: Well, there was a moment and it made me love her.
Speaker 2: Yes, And do you remember because iconically the first time
Speaker 2: we ever saw fifty Shades was me, you and Dresden
Speaker 2: on and address Valentine's Day like what it had to
Speaker 2: be like ten years ago? What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen, Yeah, we hold them one in fifty Shah.
Speaker 2: Just christ I hate time.
Speaker 1: Fifty Shades of Great I came out twenty fifteen. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: Nine Oh my god, Okay, so nine years ago we're
Speaker 2: seeing this and there was a moment where like either
Speaker 2: Jamie Dornan says something and there's a count Dakota that's like,
Speaker 2: uh okay, it like wasn't supposed to be that, but
Speaker 2: they keep it and even in interviews now, she's like
Speaker 2: I think she was on the Tonight Show and Jimmy
Speaker 2: was like, all right, so what do we have to
Speaker 2: know before we see the movie? Like what do we
Speaker 2: have to know?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Come on, dude, come on, tell me what we need
Speaker 2: to know, guy, And Dakota's like, you can know absolutely
Speaker 2: nothing and enjoy our movie. You don't have to know anything,
Speaker 2: see and.
Speaker 1: She still believes in the movie.
Speaker 2: She's not retirelessly promoting it.
Speaker 1: It's not that she's like abandoning her sort of Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's still out here saying watch the movie. Mm hmmm,
Speaker 1: it's pretty fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what does she have to and you know what,
Speaker 2: to her credit, like I was entertained the whole time.
Speaker 2: The whole time, I was like I want and I'm
Speaker 2: being like, this is so insane. But the whig thing
Speaker 2: from before, Okay, so we met a wig Sydney Sweeney's
Speaker 2: wig in this is so bad.
Speaker 1: Like it's so bad.
Speaker 2: And sometimes I'm like I get it, Like I understand,
Speaker 2: like hair is tough to deal with on a day
Speaker 2: to day and sometimes you want a certain result. But
Speaker 2: then I was like, you know what, now it's part
Speaker 2: of it, Like now the fact that this is such
Speaker 2: a horrible wig is part of it, and we're playing
Speaker 2: the terrain. This is now an element of this movie
Speaker 2: that I really enjoy. Yes, Yes, the villain in the movie,
Speaker 2: have you heard about this? All of his lines are
Speaker 2: a dr oh, I've heard about this? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it literally bowing. His mouth is moving, and it's like
Speaker 2: watching like a Godzilla movie, Like it's it's like what
Speaker 2: is coming out of his mouth or what they want
Speaker 2: you to think, Like what you're hearing is so different
Speaker 2: than what his mouth is doing. Because they clearly had
Speaker 2: to rewrite the movie because it didn't make sense, like
Speaker 2: we have to find out what the villain wants and
Speaker 2: what he's doing because it's unclear. It was unbelievable social
Speaker 2: mammots in it, sitting the whole time being like a
Speaker 2: computer hacker. It never pays off the cast they got
Speaker 2: for this, for Adam Scott truly just cashing a check.
Speaker 2: I can't believe Emma Roberts is in the movie.
Speaker 1: This is like it's so.
Speaker 2: Stacked and they're all doing nothing.
Speaker 1: So happy, Okay, all I needed to hear was I
Speaker 1: was getting so many conflicting reports on this about whether
Speaker 1: or not it's bad in a fun way, And all
Speaker 1: I need to hear is that you thought it was fine,
Speaker 1: So now I will go see it.
Speaker 2: Bowen. The way it ends, Dakota is so iconic for
Speaker 2: the way that it ends, like so much going on
Speaker 2: in the final frames of the movie, Like I can't
Speaker 2: spoil it, but just advice to say, it's giving Professor
Speaker 2: X in a way that is so funny.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. Dakota, is I have a Halloween costume?
Speaker 1: Let's just say no.
Speaker 2: And then as a result of that, I was like, Wow, Dakota,
Speaker 2: she is here to stay for sure. And so you
Speaker 2: know what I was rewatching. I was rewatching some clips
Speaker 2: from The Lost Daughter put some respect on.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so good.
Speaker 2: She is so good in that, so good in that,
Speaker 2: and so bizarre in it too, like she's playing so.
Speaker 1: But alluring and like seductive, just like the things like
Speaker 1: playing to her strength. I think Dakota Johnson herself is
Speaker 1: that is the essence of her. Yeah, she's a little strange.
Speaker 2: Oh, Bowen, I wish we could have seen this movie together.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sad. This is what happens by coastal my ass,
Speaker 1: I know, not, I know.
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess I could say on the pod what
Speaker 2: I'm doing. Yes. So I'm here shooting a new series
Speaker 2: for Netflix and it's from Liz Feldman, who did Dead
Speaker 2: to Me So Good, And it's called No Good Deed.
Speaker 2: And the cast is Ray Romano, Lisa Kudro, Linda Cardellini,
Speaker 2: Luke Wilson, Dennis Leary, Teana Parish, like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: Abby Jacobson, Poppy Louie, Poppy Anna, Mario Horsford, and fucking me.
Speaker 2: It's such a fun cast and the group is so great.
Speaker 2: And it's about Ray and Lisa play this couple who
Speaker 2: are selling their Los Felis home and there's like a
Speaker 2: bunch of different couples like and people vying for the home.
Speaker 2: But when no one knows is that something very dark
Speaker 2: has happened in the house. And I played the real
Speaker 2: estate agent, so I get to have scenes with everyone.
Speaker 2: I have a really fun part. I can't say too
Speaker 2: much about it, but you're the glue. Let's just say
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a big function and I really really really
Speaker 2: am excited about it, and uh, it's gonna.
Speaker 1: Be really good.
Speaker 2: I read the scripts and I'm like, oh shit, y,
Speaker 2: it's so exciting.
Speaker 1: This is what we need. We need Matt Rogers like
Speaker 1: playing a realtor, but like giving giving connective tissue. I said, it's.
Speaker 2: Giving one third Kroschelle one third, Christine Quinn one third
Speaker 2: Matt Rogers.
Speaker 1: Bitch, that's that's a scary, scary pie chart horrifying. I
Speaker 1: only really like one of those people. No, I like
Speaker 1: Rochelle the way you just said. I only really like
Speaker 1: one of those people. And I'm one of the people.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because it's like, you know, lovely like Matt.
Speaker 1: That's not how I meant it.
Speaker 2: I love Rochelle too. Can I say, Chrishelle? Chrischelle will
Speaker 2: hit the carpet, Yeah, at the People's Choice Awards, and
Speaker 2: I'll be like, that.
Speaker 1: Is all of us right there there you go. Oh
Speaker 1: have you watched any of Mister and Missus Smith. I
Speaker 1: am two episodes in. I was like, watch in those
Speaker 1: two episodes of be like, oh I'm in. I'm strapping
Speaker 1: my seatbelt for this. I just haven't been able to
Speaker 1: move as quickly as I would like to. I really
Speaker 1: enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I watched the first episode. I liked it a lot
Speaker 2: for some reason, liked it a lot more than I
Speaker 2: thought me too.
Speaker 1: I like that it's giving Mystery of the Week, I
Speaker 1: think because there have been rumors that it like wasn't
Speaker 1: good and that's why Phoebe waller Bridge wasn't in it,
Speaker 1: and I was disappointed that she wasn't.
Speaker 2: Though I do love my Ers.
Speaker 1: Maya is fantastic and.
Speaker 2: This is such a different thing than Penn fifteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I really liked the conceit of it, which is, this
Speaker 2: is their assignment. It's their assignment to cover as a
Speaker 2: married couple. It's not the original movie, which is obviously
Speaker 2: they were married and then found out they were married
Speaker 2: to us. By this isn't really interesting good if you
Speaker 2: will weigh in, which is that you're seeing them on
Speaker 2: day one of their marriage because it's their new assignment
Speaker 2: and they have they have like a charming little rapport.
Speaker 2: I like watching it. I'm excited to see how it develops.
Speaker 1: Also in terms of it being from Donald and Stephen
Speaker 1: Glover Kira MURRAI like that whole Atlanta group very different
Speaker 1: from that. Like, I like that it's this Like again,
Speaker 1: I like that it's kind of episodic. You're not getting
Speaker 1: a lot of that anymore, and this is it really
Speaker 1: works for me. I think the fact that it's a
Speaker 1: little episodic like makes it.
Speaker 2: Also the serialization is gonna come so obviously in their relationship,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, it's almost procedural in that
Speaker 2: way where it's like the way that you develop an
Speaker 2: affection for like these characters, you know, Benson and Stabler,
Speaker 2: is because you see them in these situations and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're like.
Speaker 1: You're thinking about the totality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, in the totality of it, you connect
Speaker 2: to them and you get their partnership, whereas like, obviously
Speaker 2: I haven't seen too much of this yet, but it
Speaker 2: feels like that might be what binds and connects them
Speaker 2: because obviously they're very odd couple at the beginning.
Speaker 1: Totally, when I think about the totality of Mandy Moore
Speaker 1: or Jennifer Lopez, I think these are my girls.
Speaker 2: I mean literally, I just I can't even like Mandy Goes.
Speaker 2: I love the podcast. I love you guys so much.
Speaker 2: And I was like Mandy Moore, Man, if I start,
Speaker 2: I won't stop because I could go on and on.
Speaker 2: I mean literally any things that you literally.
Speaker 1: Just screamed at each other.
Speaker 2: I know, And honestly, it's kind of nice to just
Speaker 2: get that out of the way, so that like, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure that we will absolutely fawn over her when
Speaker 2: she comes, but like the way that it could just
Speaker 2: be thirty minutes of us being like Mandy.
Speaker 1: Not that you guys haven't heard us be sick of
Speaker 1: fantic towards our guests before. Now, can we talk about
Speaker 1: the year? Do you have stuff for the year?
Speaker 2: Yes, So this week on the podcast, the year, the
Speaker 2: cultural year that we are excavating. This year has been
Speaker 2: chosen from the goblet of cultural years, is nineteen ninety three. Bowen,
Speaker 2: what are your instincts and things that immediately you have
Speaker 2: jumping out of your heart when I say that year
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety three, I.
Speaker 1: Am gonna say, well, as we said, I said Jurassic Park,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the York debut, I'm gonna say, hey,
Speaker 1: oh my god, hold on, I'm doing a cook Google
Speaker 1: exiling guy, the Lives Fair.
Speaker 2: Wow, you could speak to that. This was a.
Speaker 1: Huge year for like alt rock quote unquote whatever that
Speaker 1: means to you. But in terms of like your PG Harvey's,
Speaker 1: your Radioheads, your fucking Nirvana. You know, it's like this
Speaker 1: was a time of like grunge, Like I don't even
Speaker 1: know quite how to like type this, but like it
Speaker 1: was that mixed with like adult contemporary was like really
Speaker 1: starting to come in and like be this like Mariah
Speaker 1: putting out music box is I think like also indicative,
Speaker 1: Oh Janet doing Janet Like this is like things were
Speaker 1: kind of coexisting in an interesting way and like nothing
Speaker 1: was like overtaking the other, like it could all live
Speaker 1: next to each other without bumpang mm hmmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean this was a time where it's funny that
Speaker 2: you talk about that type of music because by far
Speaker 2: the biggest album of this year, and it would be
Speaker 2: ultimately one of the biggest albums of all time in
Speaker 2: its totality. A word we've used much on this episode
Speaker 2: is Whitney Houston The Bodyguard. Oh my god, So Whitney
Speaker 2: Houston The Bodyguard was the biggest, not only the biggest
Speaker 2: album of the year, but the biggest one of the
Speaker 2: biggest albums of the decade. It obviously was connected to
Speaker 2: the film The Bodyguard, which was released, so it's obviously
Speaker 2: one of the biggest soundtracks of all time. This is
Speaker 2: obviously in the grand scheme of Whitney Houston's career. There's
Speaker 2: no bigger song then I Will Always Love You. Obviously
Speaker 2: it is what she is most iconic for. But that
Speaker 2: being said, there was also many many tracks on this
Speaker 2: album that were huge hits, such as I Have Nothing,
Speaker 2: such as Queen of the Night, such as Run to You.
Speaker 2: This was like the apex Diva moment of Whitney Houston,
Speaker 2: and it obviously coincides with what you were saying, like,
Speaker 2: you know, Mariah had just really popped off like Selene
Speaker 2: in a couple of years would really really really be
Speaker 2: at her like mainstream height. But in many ways this
Speaker 2: was the beginning of not even really the beginning, but
Speaker 2: it was like the rising action peak, let's say, in
Speaker 2: some way of that like diva thing. Yeah, so interesting
Speaker 2: that also, you know, grunge was happening, and like there
Speaker 2: was this alt rock moment, just a really interesting time
Speaker 2: for very emotionally specific big music.
Speaker 1: Big music that you don't necessarily think of as like
Speaker 1: big tent, you know what I mean, Like these things
Speaker 1: would never fly today because it would be like, well,
Speaker 1: the alt rock is for this type of person, and
Speaker 1: the divas are for this type of person. Like the
Speaker 1: fact that that was like pretty ubiquitous and like welcoming
Speaker 1: for everyone, that like everyone could like find another phrase
Speaker 1: that we're using a lot of this episode way in
Speaker 1: with these albums makes me go, oh, that's what we're
Speaker 1: sort of losing with monoculture, which I dot we can
Speaker 1: debate with people whether or not like it still exists
Speaker 1: if it's just a different form. Yeah, But that's a
Speaker 1: great assessment about the music of the time.
Speaker 2: It's just interesting. Like I guess technically the Bodyguard album
Speaker 2: was released in ninety two, but it was the best
Speaker 2: selling album of ninety three of the guy. And if
Speaker 2: you talk about like what artists were really popular, it's
Speaker 2: Wynney Houston. Then there was Kenny g Eric Clapton, Janet Jackson,
Speaker 2: Billy Ray Cyris, doctor Dre Pearl, jam Garth Brooks, Don't Taple,
Speaker 2: Pilot Spin Doctors, like lots of variety here in what
Speaker 2: was happening, you know what I mean? Like there was
Speaker 2: music was interesting, obviously Liz fair b York's debut, but
Speaker 2: it was really it was an interesting time. But for me,
Speaker 2: I think if I was like fully activated gay guy
Speaker 2: at this time, I'm for sure only listening to the
Speaker 2: Bodyguard album. I mean like that to me activated gay guy.
Speaker 2: If I'm unactivated giy guy at the time, it's all
Speaker 2: about Whitney for me at this moment.
Speaker 1: I mean, how often do we do this as gay
Speaker 1: guys where we like time travel Like if I had
Speaker 1: gay guy taste, sensibility, whatever, what would I be doing.
Speaker 2: Traveling gay Guy.
Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of scary to think about because whatever
Speaker 1: I'm like still like on my Capodi kick, not necessarily
Speaker 1: with the show, but just like there's a great documentary
Speaker 1: on Hulu called the Capoti Tapes that I watched last night,
Speaker 1: and it is just like, God, it was pretty hard
Speaker 1: out there for us.
Speaker 2: Is that our show is our show like Kunk on Earth,
Speaker 2: but it's called time Traveling Gay Guy and we go
Speaker 2: back in time to different eras and like interview people
Speaker 2: of the time, Like, is that our show? Wait? Maybe
Speaker 2: that's maybe that's it time Traveling Gay Guy, And it's
Speaker 2: like you did you finish Kunk on Earth? Yes, I'm.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite. I think it's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: comedies in the last like three years.
Speaker 2: It is staggering how stupid stupid is like it's just
Speaker 2: so funny, like it never stops, like the jokes never stop, honestly,
Speaker 2: Like at a certain point you do need to take
Speaker 2: a break because you're just like it's now, the jokes
Speaker 2: are just they're coming too fast. Like I like a
Speaker 2: little overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: The way that pumped the jams thing like, oh.
Speaker 2: I love it, love it.
Speaker 1: Gets resort of remixed every episode. I'm like, this is crazy,
Speaker 1: Like it reminded me of like kill me, like money
Speaker 1: python stuff. But anyway, okay, biggest films of.
Speaker 2: The year, Yeah, Jurassic Park was the biggest movie of
Speaker 2: this year, missus doubtfire. This was a big Spielbergerie year,
Speaker 2: because yeah, he's got the number one commercial film of
Speaker 2: the year and the number one critical head of the year.
Speaker 2: He's got the biggest movie of the year and the
Speaker 2: Best Picture of winner, which were Jurassic Park and and
Speaker 2: you say versa tile My guy was topping and bottoming
Speaker 2: the industry. Oh he was topping.
Speaker 1: Us with How's he was topping us with Dassic Park
Speaker 1: and bottoming with Schindler's List.
Speaker 2: This doesn't necessarily feel right.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, miss I think.
Speaker 2: Bottoming is so much more emotional than topping, like you're
Speaker 2: feeling so much that I do.
Speaker 1: Feel like and then a woman in a red dress
Speaker 1: comes out.
Speaker 2: I can't a little girl in a red dress?
Speaker 1: Please, Oh I'm sorry, let me take that.
Speaker 2: A woman in a red dress. No, don't let him
Speaker 2: have that. He's been a lot of edits out this episode.
Speaker 2: Woman in a red dress will stand.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in a while.
Speaker 2: Me neither. I haven't seen it very long time. But
Speaker 2: Jurassic Park I've seen many times.
Speaker 1: Absolutely just an easier watch. I'd say The Fugitive is
Speaker 1: the number three highest grossing film of nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1: That is a traumatizing film for me because that we
Speaker 1: watched that in Canada, in Montreal, there was a woman
Speaker 1: named Janine who is like the baby sitter and all
Speaker 1: the kids, all the kids, and then she was so cool,
Speaker 1: but she had like she was a childless woman who
Speaker 1: had a huge house, right, and so she her whole
Speaker 1: thing was like childcare. And she was this cool fucking
Speaker 1: woman in her fifties who lived with her husband, and
Speaker 1: like all the kids from the neighborhood would go to
Speaker 1: her house after school and like, you know, the parents
Speaker 1: would pay her, but she would just like put food out,
Speaker 1: put video games out, movies. We'd be downstairs and we
Speaker 1: would all just like hang out and it was like
Speaker 1: summer camp and like and one day we watched The
Speaker 1: Fugitive and it was so like when the wife dies,
Speaker 1: Yeah tough. I was just like, this is crazy. Also
Speaker 1: try traumatic. Thing from that basement where we would watch
Speaker 1: the movies was all The kids made fun of me
Speaker 1: because I pronounced Return of the Jedi and they said
Speaker 1: Jed and they laughed at me because I mispronounced Jedi,
Speaker 1: which is, by the way, a made up word. Thinks
Speaker 1: Jed is very chic.
Speaker 2: Did you hear that Daisy Ridley is returning to Star
Speaker 2: Wars to play the Ray.
Speaker 1: Ray Matt speaking French is so my favorite. You're oh Spanish? Okay,
Speaker 1: what else? Listen? Seattle, Philadelphia, the Pelican Brief. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Julia coming in to this. But this is after Mystic Pizza.
Speaker 1: But this is Julia really becoming Julia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Julia post Pretty Woman.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, that's right. I'm sorry I thought this was
Speaker 1: before Pretty Woman. Yes, this is after Mystic Pizza and
Speaker 1: Pretty Woman and still Magnolia's okay, so that she was Julie.
Speaker 2: Still Magnolia's was her first OSCAR nomination. Then came Pretty Woman.
Speaker 2: She was full of Julia at this point, but obviously
Speaker 2: like this was again it's her rising action peak, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It wasn't yet, it wasn't yet
Speaker 2: where it would go, but it was it was going.
Speaker 2: She was actuate.
Speaker 1: There we're going.
Speaker 2: But I do want to say just about Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1: Yes, please.
Speaker 2: I always had the comment about Jurassic Park that like,
Speaker 2: I wanted to see more of the theme park in
Speaker 2: the movie. But I think that that was probably just
Speaker 2: me being stupid, and I think being a kid looking back,
Speaker 2: Jurassic Park, no notes, no notes, you did that thing.
Speaker 1: Oh you did that thing. You're not gonna be out
Speaker 1: here saying that you wished Jurassic Park was different. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: No, is there a favorite scene in Jurassic Park for you?
Speaker 2: Do you want to be a gay guy and say
Speaker 2: Laura during going through the poop?
Speaker 1: No, I was gonna say, I actually, and this is
Speaker 1: so stupid of me. I actually love when they're watching
Speaker 1: the cartoon talk about the Amber pre show, the pre show,
Speaker 1: because it makes you realize, like this movie is working
Speaker 1: on a lot of levels, like the science is actually
Speaker 1: kind of there, and they're like Steven Spielberg was like, no,
Speaker 1: we're spending time. Like Michael Crichton would have wanted this.
Speaker 1: We're spending or would want this he was still alive.
Speaker 1: Let's spend time on the science of this. Because then
Speaker 1: because remember like you know, middle school science class, like
Speaker 1: all the teachers being like in my school at least,
Speaker 1: like it would be like, you know, the science in
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park is actually our type. We could you know,
Speaker 1: grow dinosaurs if we wanted to blah blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. That was like the urban legend kind of scientifically,
Speaker 1: I think, being in middle school.
Speaker 2: At the time and just set this straight as the
Speaker 2: person here who's like.
Speaker 1: More, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna know.
Speaker 2: Can you do this? Can you do it?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, and you want.
Speaker 2: To No, oh, certainly not like whenever it comes to like, hey,
Speaker 2: we should do this, like I don't even think we
Speaker 2: should be in space. No, that we're not supposed to
Speaker 2: be there, Like I think we should be leaving things
Speaker 2: well enough alone. I think dinosaurs are gone for a reason.
Speaker 2: I think space you can't be up there for a reason.
Speaker 2: I think we need to stay out of the oceans.
Speaker 2: You know how I feel about this.
Speaker 1: I think that about being on a plane, I'm like,
Speaker 1: we're not supposed to.
Speaker 2: Be don't even get me started. Every single time you're
Speaker 2: on a plane, and remember you're on a hulking hunk
Speaker 2: of metal, and that doesn't feel right to me. No
Speaker 2: air travel does not feel right to me at all.
Speaker 1: M M.
Speaker 2: Boats feel insane to me.
Speaker 1: Boats I actually think are okay? How are boats okay
Speaker 1: for traversal? You're standing on something or you're sitting on something.
Speaker 2: We'll let me stand on business when I say that,
Speaker 2: you're way more endangered on a cruise ship boat than
Speaker 2: you are in the air. And I don't even like
Speaker 2: the air thing. But in the water, especially with the
Speaker 2: orc is acting up the way that they are, especially
Speaker 2: with what we know about sharks now, Honey, adibly dangerous.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying boats aren't dangerous. I'm saying being on
Speaker 1: a boat makes more sense to me. As like primitive
Speaker 1: animals like the cavemen might have built a boat. What
Speaker 1: I think maybe a person and Neanderthal might have tried
Speaker 1: to make a boat one day, girl, they never try
Speaker 1: to make a plane, you know what I mean? Does
Speaker 1: that make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so, But that doesn't mean that one
Speaker 2: is more above board than the other. I guess. My
Speaker 2: thing with being on the open water and then you know,
Speaker 2: they say we know less about the ocean than we
Speaker 2: do about the space space. For me, it's like if
Speaker 2: you're in the air, the only thing that can go
Speaker 2: wrong is the plane malfunctions, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: something goes wrong with the plane and it goes down.
Speaker 2: When you were on a boat on the water, million,
Speaker 2: literally you were a million things could happen. The boat
Speaker 2: could get fucked up, a wave could happen. There's no
Speaker 2: waves that could happen in the air. And then get
Speaker 2: into this likely if your plane goes down, you die
Speaker 2: pretty instantly. You may even die from shock before you
Speaker 2: even hit the ground. Like truly, on a boat, if
Speaker 2: that thing goes over, honey, you die in the water.
Speaker 2: You don't die because the boat capsize. You probably have
Speaker 2: to be swimming around for a while and then what now.
Speaker 2: I don't want people saying to me, Hey, that was
Speaker 2: messed up what you did on the last episode of
Speaker 2: lost culture restas because you conjured up images of tragedy,
Speaker 2: pain and death. No, but this is just the reality
Speaker 2: of the world. And guess what, if you're listening to this,
Speaker 2: you're gonna die one day too. Who knows how it
Speaker 2: will happen.
Speaker 1: Maybe on a boat.
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you it's more likely that you die
Speaker 2: on a boat than you die on the air. Get
Speaker 2: over it?
Speaker 1: Okay, So okay, big news stories of ninety three. Isn't
Speaker 1: it interesting that so far the three years that we've
Speaker 1: drawn all inaugurations inauguration years.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Clinton started to be really.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I have on here at the Waco
Speaker 1: Siege Branch, Davidian Sleigh, what else, Space Shuttle Endeavor? Okay, amazing.
Speaker 1: The Brady Bill for guns, Oh my god, gun control?
Speaker 1: Remember gun control? I think that's it. Yeah, this was
Speaker 1: This year was really okay. I will say this year
Speaker 1: was the birth of my sister, Chelsea Ryan Rodgers. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, that's so nice.
Speaker 2: Chelsea Ryan Rodgers was born on January twenty fourth, nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety three. I won't say her real last name now
Speaker 2: because she has a new last name, and I will
Speaker 2: respect her.
Speaker 1: Congratulations Chelsea Nay Rogers.
Speaker 2: Chelsea was born when I was three years old, and
Speaker 2: I think I was a good big brother.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you were all Matt.
Speaker 2: I think I was brother.
Speaker 1: I was big bro for once now ninety three for me,
Speaker 1: I think we had moved from Kingston, Ontario to Quebec.
Speaker 1: We might, I know. I think we were still in Kingston, Ontario,
Speaker 1: town outside of Toronto. I was playing with pots and pans.
Speaker 1: That was my thing is at three years old, or
Speaker 1: between two and three, I was like, my mom would
Speaker 1: like lay out the pots and pants on the rug
Speaker 1: on the carpet in the living room, and I would
Speaker 1: just like pretend I was cooking.
Speaker 2: And did your mom at once she heard you playing
Speaker 2: with the pots and pants? Did she sort of run
Speaker 2: into your father's office and say, Rulin, Rulin, I think
Speaker 2: our child may have musical talent. And she said get
Speaker 2: out of here.
Speaker 1: She Oh my god, wait, were you there, bitch? That's
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. I was there, and then my sister
Speaker 1: all and then I sing all too well. At three, Now,
Speaker 1: where were you were on Long Island?
Speaker 2: I was on Long Island being three. I think me
Speaker 2: at three was probably a whole thing hmm. I can't
Speaker 2: say much about when I was three years old. We
Speaker 2: lived in West Babylon, New York. I wasn't in school yet.
Speaker 2: I probably was out. I was like an outdoor kid,
Speaker 2: but I'm only three here, so I don't know. I
Speaker 2: was having like a jamming out with Katrina like all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh guy, you guys hanging out? Oh?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? And then I did ask like was I a
Speaker 2: good brother? Because that's something that's important to me nowadays.
Speaker 2: It's like, was I a good brother growing up? And
Speaker 2: all accounts are that I was a good brother. And
Speaker 2: then I wasn't like jealous that there was a new kid,
Speaker 2: because something you do hear, like new parents say, is like, oh,
Speaker 2: I have a three year old and there's a new baby,
Speaker 2: and it's like now it's getting a little contentious in
Speaker 2: the house. It's like or like something shifted. But luckily
Speaker 2: I can say at least my parents are protecting me
Speaker 2: enough to not tell me I was a nightmare. But
Speaker 2: I think I was good.
Speaker 1: I believe that.
Speaker 2: I do think that all people, including myself, are good
Speaker 2: at heart.
Speaker 1: I believe that too.
Speaker 2: Now. Chance the Rapper was born this year.
Speaker 1: Chance the Rapper was born this year.
Speaker 2: Debbie Ryan was born this year. Oh dad, I was
Speaker 2: born this year.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, ariana amazing, amazing year for birth. Wow,
Speaker 1: Ariana is younger than my little sister, and you're a
Speaker 1: big bro to her. I'm gonna have to treat Arian
Speaker 1: like little Cis Vibes, Little Cis Vibes. Ty Warner USA
Speaker 1: launch is the first Beanie Babies. Oh wow, this feels
Speaker 1: this was rising action to Beanie baby mania.
Speaker 2: On listen, listen to me right now. If you have
Speaker 2: a great idea, sometimes you gotta let it cook. Maybe
Speaker 2: maybe in three years it will be Beanie Baby.
Speaker 1: Oh this news is sad to me. You Cobbin and
Speaker 1: Yasir Arafat signed peace agreement on the White House lawn.
Speaker 2: Oh well, in the words of Charre Horowitz, I thought
Speaker 2: they declared peace in the Middle East.
Speaker 1: In the words now, let's see the EU farmer's protest.
Speaker 1: We all remember where we were, and that's basically, you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of an interesting year. A peaceful year, definitely,
Speaker 1: peace was kind of interesting. If Israel and PLO signed
Speaker 1: a peace agreement, that's going to be a peaceful year.
Speaker 1: I'm okay, actually going to be a peaceful year.
Speaker 2: And now bowen. You know what I'm doing. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: going into the culture years.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're drawing another year, so exciting.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm picking it out. I'm feeling the energy.
Speaker 2: What is it going to be? The year is twenty thirteen?
Speaker 1: Twenty thirteen another inaugurate not an inauguration year, but another
Speaker 1: like post general election year.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, so what's going on here? There's a
Speaker 2: theme here, there's a theme of election. It's almost like
Speaker 2: it's almost think there's one looming.
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh, okay, twenty thirteen. Well we all hopefully
Speaker 1: you were born by then. Hopefully are no ten year
Speaker 1: olds listening to this podcast. Hopefully you're older.
Speaker 2: Than there is then holy shit, not beating those groomer allegations.
Speaker 1: Not batting the groomer allegations for gay guys.
Speaker 2: Well, isn't it scary to think even a ten year
Speaker 2: old could Because they have phones nowadays, they could be
Speaker 2: listening to this. We could be polluting our minds with
Speaker 2: things like Whitney Houston, Whitney Houston. True, we want I
Speaker 2: don't think, honey.
Speaker 1: Lets me want to I don't think, so, honey, do
Speaker 1: you have something I do? Okay, this is Matt Rodgers's
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey. The plot of Missus Doubtfire, okay,
Speaker 2: we're talking about here, I go liar. You're a liar.
Speaker 2: You're a liar, and female culture is not your costume,
Speaker 2: Robin Williams. And I don't like for one second that
Speaker 2: you lie to that woman and her family. I don't
Speaker 2: care what your intentions were. You're a liar, You're disgusting.
Speaker 2: You were a narcissist, Robin Williams. Missus Doubtfire is a
Speaker 2: disgusting display of narcissism. And just you know what, how
Speaker 2: about this. You want to get in good with your kids,
Speaker 2: start telling the truth, Start telling the truth. Okay. The
Speaker 2: way that you get it with the kids is not
Speaker 2: going to be dressing up as a full woman. And
Speaker 2: by the way, that was an offensive, the caricature of
Speaker 2: a woman, elderly woman. It was offensive, it was ages,
Speaker 2: it was sexist, and it was disgusting. And Sally Field,
Speaker 2: I'm with you when you said the whole time time
Speaker 2: because the answer is yes, that's what he's capable of.
Speaker 2: Do not get back together with this man. He's disgusting,
Speaker 2: toxic liar. I don't think so, honey. That's one minute.
Speaker 2: That is one of the best you've ever done. He
Speaker 2: was a disgusting, toxic liar period.
Speaker 1: You can't argue with that.
Speaker 2: It's really cult missus down fire. He was toxic liar
Speaker 2: lie Se number forty four, not beating the drag lying allegations.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that gave Drag such a bad name.
Speaker 2: It really did.
Speaker 1: So upset. My day is ruined. I have one that
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I have one that's slightly less spiery, but
Speaker 1: I think that's okay. I'm not gonna that's totally okay,
Speaker 1: me thinks, But I think people are going to relate.
Speaker 2: To this relatable king. This is Bowen Yang's I don't
Speaker 2: think so, honey. His time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so many spiral notebooks, why are we
Speaker 1: still selling this shit? The rings get bent, the pages
Speaker 1: don't turn as good as when you buy it fresh
Speaker 1: off of the shelf. Okay, and ye, sometimes you try
Speaker 1: to fit a pencil in there or a pen in
Speaker 1: there and it falls out. The spiral doesn't work anymore,
Speaker 1: and depending on your handedness, every other page you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be able to write on it because guess what,
Speaker 1: the spiral is pressing. The spine of the spiral is
Speaker 1: pressing on your hand as you write. And then what
Speaker 1: does your hand do as you apply pressure onto the spiral.
Speaker 1: It warps the spiral. So therefore, I think we should
Speaker 1: abolish spiral. Abolished spiral notebook most importantly, But the spiral
Speaker 1: is also full of plastic probably, and we're done with that.
Speaker 1: We're done with plastic, and I think we just need
Speaker 1: to do traditional bound notebook at the spine and not
Speaker 1: make any innovations in this area.
Speaker 2: And that's one minute. So are you saying return to marble?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? No, I'm yeah, marble notebook is
Speaker 1: totally acceptable. Any notebook that had that like doesn't have
Speaker 1: to like fold in on itself. That is a gimmick
Speaker 1: that we no longer need, that we never needed in
Speaker 1: the first place.
Speaker 2: What I'm just looking over at my desk and I
Speaker 2: see I'm using a spiral notebook.
Speaker 1: And I need it a spiral notebook, and it's ruining
Speaker 1: my life. But I refuse to change.
Speaker 2: There is something to say about the fact that really
Speaker 2: what you have there in spiral notebooks is it's a
Speaker 2: weapon that can be used against you in your own home,
Speaker 2: because if someone were to come there and unspiral it,
Speaker 2: then what I have is a very dangerous, really metal wire.
Speaker 1: A wire, a device for harm to fight. Also, it
Speaker 1: makes the writing experience unpleasant.
Speaker 2: Produce re Becca says, spiral notebooks are disrespectful to the
Speaker 2: left handed community me.
Speaker 1: And the right handed community. Ps if you try to
Speaker 1: write on the opposite page. Mm wow, I hadn't even
Speaker 1: thought about that, That's what I'm saying. Oh, never mind,
Speaker 1: This is just no way around it, because I was
Speaker 1: gonna say around. You can flip it in and do it,
Speaker 1: but you'd still come up against want to know, because
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Speaker 2: Mandy Moore.
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Speaker 1: I see what you did there.
Speaker 2: Well, this was a culturally ripe episode. There was so
Speaker 2: much to discuss, and really, what I have to say
Speaker 2: about this episode is Wow, the power of women.
Speaker 1: Wow, the power of women. It's going to be Women's
Speaker 1: History Month in March. Well, happy Pisce season, Everyone happy
Speaker 1: last season. The Piscians are pis seing Pisce sing.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling that I might cry every day
Speaker 2: this season.
Speaker 1: You should, but not in.
Speaker 2: A pejorative way. In a way where I reclaim my tears.
Speaker 1: This is Me now, this is you now, And if
Speaker 1: you're listening to this. On February twenty first, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: the Moon enters, Leo and Venus can joins Mars. Relationships
Speaker 1: gain a little sizzle, and creativity gets more muscle, artistry
Speaker 1: and willpower are a match made in heaven. Now. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Chenny Nicholas.
Speaker 2: Yes, she posted a really good piece season debut.
Speaker 1: She always do.
Speaker 2: We end every episode with the song.
Speaker 1: This is Me Now, This is Me Now.
Speaker 2: To hear more of that, watch the Prime original This
Speaker 2: is Me Now, starring Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 1: Bye Bye,