1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: This is the Bread Show. Zame is taking over Las 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Vegas this January for his seven night residentsy A Dobe 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: live at Park MGM, and we've got a trip for 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: two to the January twenty fifth shoke to night Hotel, 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: State Park MGM January twenty fourth through the twenty sixth 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: and round trip airfare. Text Remember to three seven three 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: three seven now for a chance to win. A confirmation 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: text will be said. Standard message of data rates may 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: apply all thanks to Live Nation. Okay, I want to 10 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: talk to Sam. Sam, you and your husband you never fight. 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: You've never fought. 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: We've definitely had small arguments, but so many of them 13 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 2: have have not happened because of how we try to 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: prevent them and so like we've never had a full 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 2: out screaming match at each other. We've never you know, 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 2: said horrible things to each other in the middle of 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: a fight. Like do we sometimes have the occasional you know, 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: we walk around each other and don't talk, maybe for 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: a couple minutes. But I mean, we just do a 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 2: really good job of preventatively avoiding the arguments from communicating. 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: Because as a guy who's conflict avoidant, right, like, I 22 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: don't like to get a knockdown drag outs. And it's 23 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: not because I don't know if you should or shouldn't. 24 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: It's that I find that when you when it gets 25 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: to that point, especially if someone feels like they're behind 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: in the argument, then things start to shift into an 27 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: area they don't need to go. And maybe it's because 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: I grew up and my mom, as amazing as she is, 29 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: she was the person who would she'd go for the jugular, 30 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: like if she wanted the argument to end, she'd say 31 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: the thing that had nothing to do with anything, and 32 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: then it's like, oh and the argument's over. You win, 33 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: But then you got to walk back the thing that 34 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: you said that had nothing to do with the thing, 35 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: Which is why I think I'm conflict avoidant and I 36 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: don't get into I try not to get in fights 37 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 1: like that because it winds up you have to undo 38 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: the fight before you get back to the issue, which 39 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: I hate. However, I'm not sure that my way is 40 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: healthy where you never have the fight and I get 41 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: you know, yes, in a perfect world, it's like you, guys, Sam, 42 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: where it's just you know, you're able to have this 43 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: sort of discipline to know when to separate and to 44 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,639 Speaker 1: know how to argue and to know how to debate, 45 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: but really never a big fight. 46 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: No. 47 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: But I think it also comes down to him and 48 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: I both had really toxic relationships before this, where like 49 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: we did fight with prior you know, partners, and so 50 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: now that we've seen how horrible it gets, we knew 51 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: right off the bat that we didn't want to repeat that, 52 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: especially in front of our daughter. And so we've we've 53 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: done a lot of you know, communicating, talking how do 54 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: we fix this? And you know, do I want to 55 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: punch him in the face once in a while, one 56 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 2: hundred percent, But we learned that that's not really the 57 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: right way to do it, and it's it's worked out 58 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 2: really well for us. 59 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: So good for you, guys. Thank you, Sam, have a 60 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: good day. 61 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 2: Thanks you guys. 62 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: Do love you, guys, Thank you for listening. I mean, 63 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: who am I to be? I may give that relationship 64 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: advice every day, and who am I to do it? 65 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: But I'm the first to admit I'm not very good 66 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: at any of that. But I don't know. Maybe for me, 67 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: this story jumps out because as happy as I am 68 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: about the Travis Kelcey and Taylor Swift thing, there's just 69 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind he's along for the ride. 70 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: And that's not to say she doesn't bring him a 71 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: lot in the relationship and that she hasn't changed his 72 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: life in a positive way in many ways, I'm sure, 73 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: but I contend that he's one of those guys that 74 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: just smiles and it's just in awe of her all 75 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: the time, and that makes me nervous. Yeah, he's happy 76 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: to be there, but there's a difference between it being 77 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: happy to be there and and and cowering. There's a 78 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: difference between you know, letting. I don't know. There's part 79 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: of me that that anytime someone should googoo goggon, they're 80 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: just looking at the stars the whole time. But we 81 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: never fight, and yeah, she's selling anything. It's part of 82 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: me that's like, Yeah, you can be the most amazing 83 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: person I've ever met, but I can still disagree with you, 84 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: and I can still sometimes see that you're not perfect. 85 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: And I wonder if the people who are in the 86 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: clouds don't they eventually come down from the clouds. 87 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like two years is still a honeymoon phase, 88 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 4: like I've been what I mean, Yeah, Yeah, so I 89 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 4: definitely think that they'll get there. 90 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 5: I'm sure. I mean, she's a fire sign. 91 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 4: I think he's libro, which the fact that I even 92 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 4: maybe know that is crazy. 93 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 5: But no, they'll get there. But I've been in. 94 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 4: Like I've been in a five year, a seven year, 95 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 4: and I will say the first two years are still 96 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 4: for me the honeymoon. 97 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 5: So maybe they're just they'll get there. George and themal 98 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 5: I don't. I don't know. 99 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: George basically said, like I'm old, I don't have it 100 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 4: in me, Like what am I gonna argue about. 101 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 5: I'm in my sixties, so I don't know about them. 102 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: But I can honestly tell you that I've been in 103 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: relationships before where the person I almost think had too 104 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: high of a regard for me, like like what like 105 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: I honestly I felt I felt like I could that 106 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: very often, but I felt like I could probably do 107 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: anything and this person was gonna be like, Okay, yeah, 108 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: that's all right. I mean it's like they saw so 109 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: much good in me or something. But I'm sorry, but 110 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: it was a little bit unattractive because it's like, at 111 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: what point, And I'm not saying I tested that because 112 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: I'm not that kind of person. And I really like 113 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not I'm not a liar, I'm 114 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: not deceptive. I don't cheat on do stuff like that. 115 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't like, well, I'm gonna go out and cheats 116 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: if I can get away with it. But I just 117 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: I thought like, I'm not that good of a dude, 118 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: like come on, like set it up for your really, 119 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, like you're you matter too, And I knew that, 120 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: but sometimes I felt like that person maybe wasn't putting 121 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: themselves at enough of a priority as enough of a priority, 122 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: and it was kind of unattractive. 123 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with you there. 124 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 4: I'm not attracted to someone who just agrees with me 125 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 4: all the time and doesn't have an opinion. 126 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 5: I'm definitely not into that. 127 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: But Kiki and Polina would be great with it. 128 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't enjoy fighting. Like I don't enjoy it. 129 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: I don't think it's a good time. I'm like, why 130 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 3: are we doing this? Like just just agree with me? 131 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: Come on, man, you know, like it's so hard and 132 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 3: I don't ask what lie you know? So I don't 133 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: I don't enjoy fighting. It's actually like I don't like 134 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 3: it at all. 135 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: Well, I guess would be in a partnership both people 136 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: could eliminate. Like I said before, I'd say maybe a 137 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: quarter of the fights could be eliminated if somebody would 138 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: just shut up, which I'm not good at doing. However, 139 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: I also think that if you truly want every argument 140 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: in both of your relationships, every single one, I think 141 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: that at some point you might scratch your head and go, 142 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: why does this it's all I hate to say this, 143 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: but it's almost like where where what are they doing? 144 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: Like why does it? You know what I mean? Like, 145 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: where are you getting this outlet? Like why do I 146 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: just win everything? Why do you not care? You know? 147 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: Is it because like you don't, I don't know. It's 148 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: almost a bad thing. 149 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say, if I start agreeing with everything 150 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 4: you do, then you know the relationship is about to 151 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 4: be over because I don't care anymore. 152 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 5: I'm exhausted, or it's. 153 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: Like I'm cheating on you, and it's like I don't 154 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: want to fight with you because I'm trying to cover 155 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: up this other thing. So like, sure we'll go there 156 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: to do that. Yes, you're right about that, Yes I'm 157 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: sorry about that. But a bunch of texts about this, 158 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: by the way, and again, what the hell do I know. 159 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: But someone said, I'm a therapist and can tell you 160 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: that a lot of men are struggling with standing their 161 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: ground against their partner and they're fearful of being perceived 162 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: as toxic or abusive. Oh Fred, you definitely have okay 163 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: daddy energy. What does that mean? Okay, daddy, Okay Daddy, 164 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean I got daddy issues. I don't know. 165 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 4: I think it means that like she would be in 166 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 4: a relationship with you and just say like, okay, daddy, 167 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 4: Oh well that's hot. Yeah you're right, so she would 168 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 4: agree with you. 169 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: I could shut my mouth a lot more. But I 170 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: also I also don't I would I would question myself 171 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: if everything someone did okay, because I feel like you're 172 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: trading off your value in some ways, and why are 173 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: you doing that? No, it's almost like do you have trauma, 174 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: like where you don't think you matter? 175 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 6: Well, that's valid, but I was gonna say, like, what 176 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 6: if someone just doesn't like me? 177 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: I'm very easy going. 178 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 6: I really don't care if we have, you know, Chinese 179 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 6: or Mexican for dinner tonight? 180 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 181 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 6: Because sometimes, like I feel like even those things are 182 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 6: turned into arguments because then you don't feel hurt or seen. 183 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: But like, what if I truly. 184 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 6: Just want to eat and I don't care, But now 185 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 6: you think I'm a punk because I won't stand on it, 186 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 6: you know, But I get it if it's something bigger, 187 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 6: like you know, how are we going to raise our 188 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 6: children or something like you know where you want to 189 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 6: send them to school? 190 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: That's that's a different conversation. But I don't know. 191 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 6: I just feel like, what's the point of fighting when 192 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 6: you can just meet your partner halfway and everybody's happy 193 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 6: it's given. 194 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm say yeah, yeah, I mean that that does 195 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: make sense. Julie. Hi, So you have been together since 196 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: we're sixteen? Hell are you now, Julie. 197 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 7: Fifty? 198 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I'm quick. Math, that's a long time. Forty yeah, 199 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: fifty gosh, what forty something years? And you've never you've 200 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: never fought at all. We've had disagreements, but we've never. 201 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: Had a yelling, screaming fight. 202 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 7: We've never had where we called each other names. 203 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 5: I mean, we've just never done it. 204 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 7: We've gotten quiet, sometimes walked away, but we don't fight. 205 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Well, and you guys have been talk it 206 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: out almost as long as I've been alive. So good 207 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: for you. Congratulations. I mean, hey, you guys are just 208 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: more mature and maybe maybe certain people can just they 209 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: get lucky and they meet in their communications. Styles's match. 210 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 1: It looks like that's you, Julie. Thank you have a 211 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: good day. Ye thanks you. Yeah. Honestly, for me, the 212 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: thing that jumped out about this story was that he's 213 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: in the class. He is not being realistic. Eat. You're right, 214 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: he still is in a honeymoon phase and at some 215 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: point you're gonna wait and be like, yeah, Taylor, you're 216 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: pretty amazing, but your poop stinks too, girl, Jessica. Yeah, 217 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: hi Jessica. So you think appeasing and sort of like 218 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: giving in to your partner consistently would lead to more fights? 219 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,359 Speaker 7: Yeah, it was early on in mine and my husband's relationship. 220 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 7: But he would just be like, Okay, fine, I don't 221 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 7: want to fight anymore, and then we would have the 222 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 7: same fight over and over again, and I'm like, wait, 223 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 7: I thought when we stopped fighting, that meant you understood 224 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 7: and we would stop fighting about that, But he would 225 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 7: just continue to do it because he was just like whatever, 226 00:09:58,920 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 7: I don't care. 227 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he didn't really want to do the thing. 228 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: He didn't. He maybe understood your point, but he wasn't 229 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: willing to give in, so there was no resolution, which 230 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: means you keep coming back to yeah, okay, all right, 231 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: fair enough, thank you, Jessica. Thanks. Well then that goes 232 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: back to Kiki and Paulina's point, which is, well, then 233 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 1: just just agree with me, and then we don't have 234 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: a problem. Hell and we never talk about it. Everything's 235 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: all good.