WEBVTT - Episode 26 - Chris Janson (12-5-16) 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:05.880 All right, welcome to episode twenty six to the Bobby Cast, 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:11.680 and the big big recliner next to me is Chris Jansen. Chris, 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:14.160 I'm doing good, brother, Thank you very much. I love 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.960 your intro music. By the way, Yeah, I don't even 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:19.360 know where this came from, Mike, do you It's just 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:21.239 his game show music. I thought you stole it from 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:29.800 Wayne Newton. It sounds good. It's not unusual. I was 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.600 in Vegas this last weekend and we ran into your boys, 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:38.160 low Cash because they played the same stage the night before, Yeah, 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.479 in the National Finals rodeo, and they were playing I 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:43.920 think six of like eight nights, all in different places, 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.000 and so I saw I saw Preston walking around because 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.360 I mean they were playing every night in Vegas there 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.839 every single They're like everywhere all the time, man, and 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.920 they play inn far every year, and You're exactly right. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:55.920 They play like they look a seven day residency in 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.520 different places. It is just wild. I don't know how 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:00.600 they keep up with it, those guys, and Preston came 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.000 because we had pressed it up well like four five 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.720 cents ago, maybe more than that. I talked about you, 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:07.880 but you guys are close. He's one of my best friends. 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.200 That's what he said. He said, he said, as far 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.679 as like Nashville goes, like, you guys have been friends 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.920 for like close friends, real buddies. We came up together, 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:22.360 and there's a difference in real buddies and work friends 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.840 that you get along with and work well with, and 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.480 then just the acquaintances and acquaint the people you don't 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.480 like to you know whatever, but you're you're like real friends. Yeah, 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.240 we're real friends. The weird thing about the Preston when 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.040 he came over because I like those guys a lot, 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.960 and Preston and I had only ever spent time together 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.320 either doing the radio show or we'd we'd be on 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:47.559 the road and play We played that thing four shows together, 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:49.720 the Raging Idiots, and we get to hang out there, 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:50.920 but we never get to hang out like a real 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:52.960 human setting. So we just said at the house and 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.720 talked for like forty five minutes after after this year, 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.520 and I was like, dang, like I really I used 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:00.520 to like that dude. Not I really liked game because 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.960 he has a long story dude, Like he's a he's 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.120 got a lot of wisdom. 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Now smash cut three weeks later, 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.840 maybe around the time I was watching it something called 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.800 New Faces in Nashville this last year, and you played 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:28.639 this And when you get a new album, you kind 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.000 of just popped through every track. When you get it, 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:31.240 you're like, Okay, I like that one like that. You 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:32.919 really don't spend a lot of time with a lot 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:36.600 of songs, and so you played a Hole in Her 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.360 and I was like, oh my god, that is such 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.880 a freaking good song. And I was talking to your 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:48.040 label head who I really like, to John Esposito, and 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.200 I was like, if that's not the next song you 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:51.800 put on the radio, like you shouldn't even put songs 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.840 out on the radio, Like just just go ahead and 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.200 Chris back, because that song is so good. And as 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.560 I look today, holding Her is now twenty five and 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.480 still and climbing, so so talk about this song forer 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.160 a second. Well, first of all, thank you for the 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:08.200 compliments on it and the kind words. It is. You know, well, 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.240 you know my my backstory, my wife and I met 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:14.680 kids and um CR. As you mentioned the country radio 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.480 seminar show, the New Faces thing where they there was 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.320 like five or six artists. The thing was, Man, it 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.240 was just kind of a no brainer moment. And for 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.920 me it's always been a no brainer moment because obviously 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.720 I'm very married to the song, being the writer and 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.000 singer of it. However, it's such a true it's a 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.040 true life event for me and I live at daily. 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.880 And so the fact that it um that it has 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.159 had the opportunity to come out, the fact that it 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.400 did come out, and the fact that everyone has embraced 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:41.960 it as they have and by the way, thank you, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.120 um It's just an incredible blessing to me. Man. And 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:47.760 you know, there's one thing to be said about songs 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.919 climbing the charts, but when it's climbing the charts in 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.880 a way that is a song that means so much 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.479 to you personally, and I mean on a deeper level 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.480 than just a song that you sing live with your 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.200 shows and people stand up for. Okay, okay, well talk 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.479 about that for a second in case people don't know, Uh, 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.240 why does this song mean so much to you? You know, 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.160 it's it's the truest out of all the songs I've 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.120 ever written, it's the most it's the truest. Um. I 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:14.000 saw my wife for the first time in Nashville at 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.120 the in an underground pool hall which is is called 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.320 Melrose billiards years ago and she was um working a 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.360 job for a record label at the time, scoping out 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.960 songs and songwriters, and I was down there hanging out 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.599 with friends and I just fell in love at first time. 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:30.240 I really did follow up at first sight, and you know, 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.120 three years later we got married, which was amazing, and 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.560 it was just like God's timing is perfect timing. And Um, 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.240 I walked into a house that was already a home 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.600 with the kids in it, two kids, and that I 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.560 started calling my bonus kids. It's like, I don't I 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.200 hate the word step kids. And then we had two 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:51.160 kids together, and really life just became just unbelievable. I mean, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:52.839 my life really changed for the better. It was it. 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.479 We've been married seven years agoing on eight, and it's 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.480 just been one of the most incredible blessings ever, aside 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.320 from anything with business or music or anything for that matter. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.240 And when I wrote this song, James Otto and I 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.200 were on his back porch and um over in Green 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.960 Hills in Nashville, and we had just had George, our 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:13.360 youngest daughter together and our third, our third child, and 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:14.640 he said, man, what do you want to write today? 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.160 And I said, dude, I just want to write about 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.200 my family, and and I just it just came out. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.760 We wrote in about twenty thirty minutes. And you know, 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.200 that song is the oldest song on the Buying Me 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.400 a Boat record, which is what a lot of people 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.080 don't know. It's the is the oldest one on there. 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:28.760 I wrote it years before Buying Me a Vote or 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.719 anything else on the whole album. And um, you know, 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.240 it's finally it finally got to breathe um and live 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.600 on this album. And now that it's living on the radio, 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.359 it's a huge deal for me. And I've been playing 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.839 it around for so many years that now when people 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.719 hear it and then they hear it on the radio, 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.360 it's like they're putting two and two together, going, oh 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.200 my god. You know, it's it's been a lot of 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:48.800 people's favorite song for a lot of years on the 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.760 you know, from touring and things of that nature. And um, 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.080 since Buying Me a Boat was such a big breakthrough. 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:56.800 Um it allowed you know, allowed my audiences to get 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.719 much bigger, thankfully, and now in the year holding there's 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:01.880 just a beautiful thing. The cool thing about it is too, 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:06.200 it's not a traditional radio song, and the fact that 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:10.440 it is still climbing the charts does speak volumes because 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:15.400 one it's a valid too. It's a very country ballad 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.640 with talking in it, and still a guitar and still 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.920 so there are all these elements that right now aren't 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:26.360 mixed together currently moving up the chart. Right well, thank 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.480 you very much, uh, and thanks for making light of 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:32.200 that too, because I am such a fan of songs 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:38.120 man like Sunday Morning coming Down or um. I mean, 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.240 you could think of a million songs that have a 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:44.200 little any kind of Conway song. UM. So many of 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.320 my favorite what you would call now traditional country music, 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.000 UM has has some spoken word in it. Even some 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.040 George Stray records out of the last ten years, you know, 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:53.840 I mean they have some spoken word in it. And 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.320 holding her I didn't, you know, I didn't really mean 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.560 to go for that. I wasn't like shooting for anything. 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.680 It just happened that way. And UM, when it when 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.320 it feels right to me in my heart. Man, That's 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.200 just how I fault. That's how I gage everything. That's 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.360 how I That's how I just do anything in my 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:09.800 whole life. When I get up to put my boots 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:11.640 on in the morning, if it feels right, I'll put 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.080 on that pair. If it feels wrong, I put on 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.200 another pair. Um, holding too big, I'm getting his shoes. 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:21.640 The eyes, buddy, that they're feeling all right, Okay, get 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.120 some sneakers, man. Uh. But you know that's how Holding 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.840 there came together. And and um, this is a beautiful thing, dude, 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:28.840 I'm I'm so I'm so grateful for it and and 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:30.720 for people to take a chance on it at radio 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.280 and and to be playing it like they are, I mean, um, 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.120 like you said, for it to still be moving up 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:36.880 the chart, and and to be such a different kind 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.040 of song as um, it's pretty incredible blessing. So you 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.440 have actually two songs on the radio right now, one 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.160 that you sing on now, one that you wrote on, 0:08:46.559 --> 0:09:05.319 which is this one, My girl How Always Be? That's 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.240 a good one. So thanks. Funny When did you write that? 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.120 Was it after the record came out? Was this one 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.800 that you were writing for tim? Or writing two pitch 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:14.800 or for yourself or what what was the process with 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:16.360 this song. First of all, I love your I love 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.400 these questions, and I really I didn't thank you for 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.480 having me yet this evening. Thanks for having me probably, Hey, Mike, 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.120 you the first one I ever bring a gift like whoa. 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.080 You can thank my wife. You can thank my wife. 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:28.760 She had the initial idea, and I said, that's that's 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:30.800 a great idea because I don't know what to you know, 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:32.959 you're nothing, there's nothing to get me. You're a man 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.120 of many taste, very peculiar peculiar taste, just as I am. 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:37.720 And you know you gotta be, you gotta be, you 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.560 gotta be touchy feely with what you get. So I'm 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:41.760 I'm glad you liked it. However, thank you for having me, 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.040 and thank you for these questions because I rarely, I 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.440 want to say, I rarely get to talk about songs, 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.360 and I rarely get to give the back story on 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.040 them and to answer your question about that's how I'll 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.320 always be. First of all, when you played that, I 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.280 just love that song. Even if I hadn't written it, 0:09:55.360 --> 0:10:01.240 I'm so proud of it, say sitting in a room, 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.600 I gotta tell you this story. Man, this isn't this 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.440 is an amazing thing. My my friend Jeremy Stover called me. 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.840 He said, Um, hi, se j, let's write a song. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.520 So okay, fine, So I went over to write with him. 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:15.840 When I get to a studio on Barry Hill, which 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.680 is over on the other side of Nashville, a friend 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.040 of ours Texas bo at the same time named Jamie 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:25.080 Polly said, hey, man, all, hey guys, you know, um 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.079 can we can I come over and either of you 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:28.880 available to write? And we say, hey, we're actually together. 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.080 I don't know how you knew that, but he didn't. Um, 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.080 once you come join us. He got there, he's kind 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:38.520 of having a rough day, man. Um. He he got 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.600 there and he started explaining what was going on is 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:46.120 mom had pretty terminally ill cancer, and um, we it 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.640 just hit everybody pretty hard, to be frankly honest with you, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.800 and so we just tried to lighten the mood by 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:55.800 doing something and writing songs is what we do best. So, UM, 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.920 I knew mcgrawl was pretty much done recording at that 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.760 at that point. And UM, thankfully I've been able to 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:03.920 get to know him a little bit and and um, 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.320 here's some inside things. So I thought, well, you know, 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.640 we maybe have missed the record this time, but let's 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.040 just write something. I said, guys, I would like to 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.000 write I'd like to write another side of my story, 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.360 the other side of holding here, like like my backstory 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.400 as a man, you know, and I tell a little 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:18.920 bit of that. Let's write it in the vein of 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.120 mcgrawl and man, maybe maybe for the next record he 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.240 might like it, you know. And so the song really 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.400 came together and it meant a lot to all three 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.240 of us, but it really meant a lot to me 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.280 personally because, Um, all the words in it are my story. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.839 It's a very true to life song for me, every 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.439 every single little bit of it. And the most important 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.800 part is UM. I sent it to Byron Gallimore, like 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:42.480 three days after we wrote it. We did a little 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.720 work tape demo of it. He's, oh my gosh, I 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.840 love this. Yeah. Sorry. So Byron Gallimore produces Tim mcgrawl. 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:50.760 He produced part of the Buy Me a Boat record. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.079 Um is a great friend of mine, and UM a 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.800 great friend of ours, and and just just love Byron 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.800 and Um. He and his wife, they both worked with Tim. 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.920 His wife finds, you know, find songs for Tim every 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.959 now and again, and and Byron produces the songs. And 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:06.320 I sent it to Byron to see what he thought. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:07.440 He was like, oh my god. So I sent it 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.320 to Tim and immediately I get put on this email chain. 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.120 It's Tim loves that he's gonna cut it, just like 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:17.120 I mean, how many days hours. I don't know what 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.160 we're talking here, from the minute you sent the work 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.360 tape or the demo to him to the fact that 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.120 you're on the email going, hey, I love this song. 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:27.600 Within within I mean within the first fifteen minutes, I was, 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.080 I was that quick swear to god, man, I got 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:31.640 it from Jeremy. I was like her, you get it 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:32.719 to me, her, he get it to me, her get 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.319 to me. You know. I'm like, I'd like a hurry 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.560 up and wait kind of guy. I just can't stand it, Okay, 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.440 I just have to get going. And I said, can 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.040 you please send it to Please send me. Yeah, I'm 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.040 just getting the vocal. Rest forget the vocal, just send 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.360 me the track. So I sent it to Byron. Oh 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.760 my god, Chris, I just love this is what Byron said. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.679 And uh, and so he talks. He got back and 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.040 sent it to Tim. Within fifteen minutes. I was never 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.760 forget I was leaving FedEx in Cool Springs, done in Franklin, 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.000 and I mean it just happened. And I mean you 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.000 never know. I mean some I've had a million artists 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:01.439 we're gonna cut oh my god, we love it, and 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.120 then never cut it. I never even look at it. 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.680 You know. Dude, Tim is a man of his word, 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.200 and he's very he's very good about keeping it too. 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.480 And he recorded the song. He said, and you know 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.440 one thing that I'll never forget Tim mccrawl telling me 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:18.040 was thank you for writing me the song I always 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.720 wanted to record. This was really amazing moment for me. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.040 And I didn't know that I was being a part 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:26.480 of the song that he always wanted to record. I 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:30.160 just knew that he likes, you know, he likes Don 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.200 Williams type things. He likes um uh, Guy Clark. He 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.080 likes you know, old stray dogs and guitars play, and 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.080 he likes Tom t Hall, you know, those those sorts 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.800 of things. And it was just a really it was 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.400 a really gratifying moment for me. Now fast forward, the 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.800 songs on the radio is doing good and and and 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.840 looking like it maybe that's fantastic. It was doing great, 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:53.800 thank you, but the potential to really be a number one, hefully, 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.800 you know, either either way, it's it's already a hit, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.000 it's already a big top ten. But here's the thing, 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.160 the most part and part of the story and the 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.160 journey is, you know, rewind Up told you about Jamie 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.760 and his mom. Jamie's mom just passed away a little 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.520 a little while back here, right about the time how 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.079 long is he was coming out and was about to 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.120 hit the top twenty, and so this is a really 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:16.920 trying time for his family. I know he's I know, 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.000 he's you know, been going through a little bit personally. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.560 He's a great guy. And um, you know, Jamie at 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.920 this point being the third co writer man at this point, 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.480 like Jeremy's had a ton of number ones. He just 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.360 wrote I Love Somebody for our boys low Cash. Like 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.600 he's he's on fire. He produces justin MORI mean, he's 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.560 like all over the board and um and thankfully, you know, 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.680 since boat Man, things have really been seeming to go 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.560 my way and and Jamie um has had some good 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.720 cuts to his name, but this is his biggest one yet. 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:43.960 And with the chain of events that everything has happened 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:45.880 in his life. That just really makes me smile because 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:47.800 I'm I'm proud that he got ahold of Us. I'm 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.520 proud that he is a third songwriter on this song 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.800 and that the story. You know, if we if we're 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.360 fortunate to have a number one with it, man, it's 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.880 gonna be an awesome, very emotional party. I saw Speaking 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.000 of My Girl, you're gonna be playing with McGraw I 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.720 think at the end of this week or early next week. Yes, Saturday, 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.600 Saturday night, we're playing in Vegas. Okay. So I just 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.680 came back from Vegas and I saw everywhere Tim McGraw 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.960 and Chris Jansen, you know, and it was a picture 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.200 of you. Yeah, and I was like, that's cool, you know, 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.680 because you're everywhere. Like it's obviously a Tim poster, but 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.080 very prominent Christ Jansen on the poster, which doesn't always happen. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.040 Because there was another one that was like Toby Keys 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:24.480 and the tiny letters that goes with a big and 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.760 rich and I was like, wait, they're bigger than they 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.600 should have just with bigger. But it was really Tim 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:30.440 McGraw with Christ Jansen with you know, you had your 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.080 picture with your trap over and so I'm getting in 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.000 the elevator. I was talking about this on the air 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.840 this morning because they had us in a really fancy 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.680 party MGM. Because when you we played MGM the Raging Idiots, 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.240 then they put you in a really nice hotel, put 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.840 us in the suite. You're in the fancy place. And 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.880 I got into this elevator and it's all mirrored out 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.000 and like chandelier on top. And I I'm not exaggerated. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.040 I swear to you as I'm in can of snapchat 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.760 at it. As I'm in the elevator to this fancy hotel, 0:15:55.800 --> 0:16:00.080 I hear you know there's playing as I'm going down kidding. No, 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.440 that's awesome. And they weren't like playing just country. It 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.080 was all different music and they were playing a hold 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:14.760 on hers. I was going to let's talk about how 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.360 you got here for a second. You are born and 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.680 raids in Missouri. I was born and raised in Missouri, 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:23.480 just above Arkansas. Were you from you? So? As a kid, 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.720 you were what kind of kid? I was a very 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:34.040 shy kid um at times. I boy, we've never talked 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.120 about this is gonna be good. I I was very 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:40.720 shy kid at times you know. I always was a musician, 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.160 always a musician. How are you a musician at seven? Right? 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.000 Where are you playing? Man? I started when I was 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.520 eight years old. I got my first stratocastra guitar and 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.000 immediately started playing the blues. And I started playing. My 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.760 first song ever learned was keep your hands yourself Georgia Satellites. 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.480 And I love the blues, man, I love the blues. 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.720 I love rock and roll. I loved country music. My 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:00.760 first album I ever got is Garth Brooks, the one 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.080 where he tied his belt sideways a double double sided shirt. 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:08.960 And my second one was Randy Travisman. And remember my 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.320 dad used to sing digging up Bones around the house 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.520 all the time and stuff. And I've always been a 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:18.560 musician and I've always been a very musicians at all. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.800 And the family that kind of maybe say, hey, you 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.920 should pick up a guitar. So my parents are not musicians. Um, 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.159 my dad took a swing at drumming there for a 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:31.359 while when I was like an early teen. Um, but 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.160 he would tell you like it was just a for fun, 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.199 you know, garage band, drink some beer kind of thing. 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:39.600 But um, you know, traditionally, like my my granddad played 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.240 a little guitar, but not much, and his father before 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:48.680 him was a pentecostal uh a tent revival evangelist, uh 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.639 and he played fiddle and that kind of thing. So 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.119 I guess music probably runs in my in my veins 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.360 at some point, very kind of appellation, you know, kind 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.120 of country blue grass kind of stuff. But there wasn't 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.159 anyone in your life that said, here's the piano or 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.479 a guitar, you should start playing. No, no, not at all. 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.880 It was me. It's totally me. I wanted, man, dude, 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.200 I wanted to be who did you see though? At eight? 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.080 That made you want to pick up a guitar? Because 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:11.919 something had You had to see something with your eyeball 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.000 guns and roses. So that's what I was. Oh my god, 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.240 I was like, I want to be Deaf mccagan, and 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.480 I want to be that you picked up and now 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.359 later on you more get the guns and rose than 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.439 a minute. But later on, I mean, but so it 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.960 wasn't Slash, it wasn't Axel, and it was Deaf mccagan. 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:28.880 I thought, dude, I do with the with the long 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.480 blonde hair was like just cool looking, I mean, and 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.080 he is cool looking, it's like I want to be that. 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.359 I want to be that right there. And I I 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.840 always thought David Lee Murphy was the bomb, Like I 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.560 mean where I come from. I mean, first of all, 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.200 he is and everybody thinks so. Second of all, where 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:46.479 I come from in the Midwest. You know, we grew 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:48.800 up right across the Mississippi River from each other. Literally, 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.360 I bought my first car with lawn mowing money out 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.399 of his hometown, two blocks away from the street he 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.520 grew up on, small world. I was a huge David 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.399 Lee Murphy fan as far as country music goes. And 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.240 he was, you know, he's still like, he's kind of 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.400 a rock and roll type, jeans wearing kind of guy. 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.440 And um, so those two things made me really want 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.840 to play man. And it's funny you should ask. I've 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.080 never got to tell anybody that. So you started playing 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.720 guitar at eight years old? When do you start playing 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:20.800 where people start watching you? Pretty immediately when I started playing, um, 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:22.879 you know, that was right at the brink of about 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.000 to go into middle school. So you know, I was 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.280 a skateboarder, and I was also in four h and 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:31.280 I was riding horses. I did a lot of different things, 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:32.560 as I could do with a lot of stuff. But 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:36.960 I loved skateboarding the skateboarding community as most no will 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.200 lead you into, like different kinds of communities will lead you, 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.800 like into the hippie crowd and the cool crowd, and 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.440 you know the maybe the um the misled youth crowd 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.679 who listens to punk rock all the time. And I 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.399 got way into that kind of stuff. And Um, I 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.080 started meeting buddies who thought like me, who thought outside 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:55.600 the box. He grew up in a small town and 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:59.080 wanted to get out of it and and um found 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.040 outlets in music, and so we all just started skating 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.720 together and we built like a local skate park in 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:08.119 in Felts Park in town. And man, we we started 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.240 getting our instruments from Shivelbin's Music, which was a town 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.280 thirty five miles away in Cape Girardo. Was a little 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:17.200 music store there and m dude, we we just got 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.000 the cheapest of the cheap guitars and started playing. And 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:25.040 me and my buddy Kurt Brewer and um uh Anthony 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:28.280 Lawnchius and all these kids. Man, we just got together 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.000 from all different grades, middle school and high school and 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.480 started playing music and we play anything anybody wanted to hear. 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:38.080 What were you in that band that was the drummer? Wow? Yeah, 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.040 so you picked up a guitar, then you were the 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:41.960 drummer in the band. Yeah. I was like the drummer 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:43.800 one week, and then like if if we needed a 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:45.720 bass player, I would be like bass player. I mean, 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.160 he's whatever. I mean, we all kind of alternated, however. Um, 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.199 you know, my first instrument is drums. I learned that 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.800 very first, and then the guitar came like the week after. 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:56.200 I forgot to tell you that. But I'm a drummer first, 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:57.919 and I'm still a drummer. I play drums every night 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:02.720 actively in my live concerts, And um, I am the 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:06.119 kind of person that I'm gonna try it really quick, 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:08.440 and if i can't get it really quick, I'm done. 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.120 I'm just gonna move on to something else. I'm still 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:13.399 that way. Your small why both of us are Yeah, 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.840 we know, we're very like, we need it. We gotta 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.439 figure Okay, don't we have the same birthday? Yeah, so, 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:21.399 I mean it's a lot of similarity. We addictive personalities, 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.000 but exactly exactly. I'm back on the dude, by the way, 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.440 So no, man, so like, I wanted to play the 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.360 drums right, let me just tell you. So I learned 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:33.359 to play them. I learned to play him in school 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.200 and I was like, okay, cool. Then I got the 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.200 stratocaster guitar. I learned to put George the satellites is like, 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:38.600 I got that. So I got a basic car. I'm like, 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:40.080 well that's pretty easy, the same thing. And I got 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.639 on piano and I love Jarreley Lewis. I'm like, and 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:48.040 I figured that out, Okay. I taught myself and m dude, 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:50.680 I just started hop skipping around and then you meet 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:52.920 the right kids. And it was usually kids who were 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:55.800 like unpopular, kids who nobody wanted to hang out with. 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.280 Kids were like green hair and weird ear rings. And 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:01.680 I mean I grew up in a pretty like Frankly, 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.520 a pretty redneck, you know, white trash, blue collar town 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:06.440 man like you just if you're not a farmer, you're 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.880 not cool, you know that kind of thing. Like everybody 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.440 hangs out the m f A and city tavern downtown 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:12.440 and that's just the way it is. And if you 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:14.920 don't play football, you're a punk and that kind of deal. 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.280 And I was definitely kind of right in the middle. 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:22.920 So you're playing music. Did you graduate high school? I did? 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:26.600 I graduated with honors man. I graduated, Um actually got 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:30.440 I was actually offered to graduate my junior year. Um, 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:32.600 I know, you got a schull. I'm gonna leading to 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:35.720 the scholarship with with college credits and stuff. But I 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:38.520 chose to stay in school because my senior year they 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:40.439 offered a work program where it could actually make some 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:42.280 a little bit of cash and and go to work 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.400 and try something that I thought maybe I would want 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:45.840 to do for a living. Because when you're a kid, 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.040 you don't think you honestly, where I come from, you 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:51.679 don't really think that, oh my god, I can be 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:55.000 a music singing star or anything for that matter. I 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:57.040 can't even have a job doing this. You know, you 0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:59.199 know why. And we come from a similar background. You 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.040 don't think that's not guess people tell us we can't, 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.000 but no one tells us we can because nobody else 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:05.720 does around because that you're precisely right, like, nobody tells 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:08.480 you can't, but no one tells you can because no 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:10.800 one else is doing. And we come from and you 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:12.800 know what, it's okay because now as an adult, I 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:15.680 come to appreciate it. And actually, you know, some things 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:19.119 you kind of missed sometimes weird. But I grew up 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:23.600 in such a inside the box kind of mindset I'm 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:25.280 sort of cursed with. I'm still still that way a 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:28.000 little bit. There's things you never grow out of. But 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.760 I grew up so much around that that it was 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:33.000 just kind of unreachable. You know. You know when you 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:36.080 say that, it resonates with me because I speak at times, 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:38.359 and i'll speak at graduations or i'll speak to youth, 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.520 and and I'll say that a lot, because I'll talk 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.320 to kids who grew up like I did, and I'll say, 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:47.320 you know, these big dreams, no one tells you you 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.679 really can't do them because they don't seem real. No 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:51.919 one tells you you can't grow ten feet tall, right 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:54.399 because everybody knows you're not gonna do it anyway, but 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:56.600 no one. So I would say, listen, this is what 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:58.160 I've done. No one told me I couldn't, but really, 0:23:58.160 --> 0:23:59.679 no one told me I can. And so I'll talk 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.159 to the and say tell them they can, you know, 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:05.040 but they I mean, look at you. Look at you. 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:08.440 You're a prime example of nobody telling you you can 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:12.320 but you just went and did Yeah, I I know 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.080 one other kid who did it in my hometown. Man, 0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.800 it was the one kid that I consistently stayed in 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:21.199 bands with. It was also the one kid that I 0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:23.479 consistently stayed in bands and budded heads with because we 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.200 were both a personalities which now we we even still 0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:29.240 keep in touch via email and phone. Actually two of 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.120 my friend can't forget the other one one move to one. 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:34.480 One stayed in the States and went on having a 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:36.600 great career playing drums for the Aavoite Brothers and Bob 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:39.040 Dylan and lots of people. Okay, his nam Jacob Edwards. 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:41.600 His dad was our band His dad was our choir teacher. 0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:43.719 We had choir teacher and a band teacher in high school. 0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:48.399 My music teacher band teacher flunked me and did not 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:51.440 like me at all and treated me very badly as 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:53.720 a kid, very bad. I think that for many years. 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:58.120 I don't mean this to sound cocky whatsoever, but I 0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:03.440 was a natural music and people like him aren't. They 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:07.200 are theoretical. They have to read. They like to cocky. 0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:08.800 For you to say you're a natural at music, you're 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:10.480 a freaking number one song right but you know what 0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:12.800 I mean. But but I don't. I don't mean it pretentious. 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:15.720 It's not, but nothing about it pious, thank you. But 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:17.680 but for people who you know, don't know me, I'd 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:19.320 like to let him know I don't mean that pretentious. 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:22.800 But but Mr Fisher was not nice to me. He 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:24.399 was just not He just wasn't nice to me. He 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.520 did and that's a sad thing. In school, man, a 0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:31.600 lot of teachers, you know, they probably got picked on 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:33.720 at one point. They're really you know, he's a very 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:36.439 smart guy. However may be a little bit smarter. I 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.160 don't know. But the thing is is I flunked that, 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:41.440 but I got an a in chorus which I didn't 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:43.479 want to take, and it was Mr Edwards. His son, 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:45.800 Jacob is the one I was in the band with. Man. 0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:48.399 He was a free spirit. He was just about just 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.199 do what you want to do and and we're just 0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:53.000 gonna praise your art no matter how bad or good 0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:56.119 it is, doesn't matter. And believe me, we're pretty bad, okay. 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:59.160 And um Jacob was one of the kids who who 0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:01.600 came out of school and did something with his life 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:03.480 as far as music and became very successful. And I 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:06.000 think lives in East Nashville now. And another one of 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:08.560 my friends who grew up two towns away, and he 0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:12.320 grew up in an even smaller, like, very Catholic community 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:14.240 where you were very frowned upon if you did any 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:15.919 kind of music or rock and roll or anything of 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.960 that nature, uh Ian Fisher. And now he's a very 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:22.560 critically acclaimed singer songwriter in in Europe and and lives 0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:24.960 in Germany and just in his awesome that's what he does. 0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:28.000 He travels around Europe and place shows and just a 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:30.359 pretty amazing thing. Man. I feel very blessed to have 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:33.960 the opportunities that I've had. And when you mentioned number 0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:37.280 one songwriter and singer and these things, it still doesn't 0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:40.560 register for me because again, and you know this coming 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:42.959 from where we come from, your great successes with your 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:46.920 career as well, it's just sort of unfathomable. And even 0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.400 even now in my hometown, I only have about five 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:53.480 friends who even recognize what I do for a living, 0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:56.320 or they just don't even you know what I mean, 0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:58.480 It just doesn't It's just a it's a two way 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:02.240 road and it's very disconnected. So you're in the town 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.399 and now you had an interest in animals like veterinary 0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:08.960 I did. Now I got the interest from animals and 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:11.280 veterinarian because I told you earlier I was. I rode 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:13.359 a lot of horses as a kid. I did horse showing, 0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:15.400 a whole bunch actually a lot of Middle Tennessee, which 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:18.080 is a whole other avenue to talk about. But long 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:21.639 story short. When you get older and you get about seventeen, 0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:25.320 and you know you're pretty poor kid growing up, you 0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:27.160 gotta have a job. I have. I've had jobs since 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.560 I was a young man. My dad said, I don't 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:31.520 ever want to have to make you work. You know, 0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:33.760 you work when you get older. But I always had 0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:35.960 a job because I never like anybody telling me what 0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:37.520 I could do with my money, and I don't like 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:39.600 asking for money. Is I'd rather make it myself, whether 0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:41.520 it's if it's two bucks. I got two bucks and 0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:46.240 not in that asked for Veterinarian work came pretty easy. 0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:48.040 There was a guy that played softball with my dad 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:52.000 on the little softball leagues there and and um doc 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:54.719 and and Doc Freeman, and he always said, man, if 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:56.399 you ever want to make some extra bank once you 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:58.280 just come over and work for me, you know, And 0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:01.000 just do whatever. He's a he's a the only like 0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.880 the town, the town main, the main guy, the guy, 0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:07.920 there's always the whatever. Where we come from, there's one. 0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:10.520 There's one person that does everything because we can't handle 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:12.760 too We didn't mean we couldn't have to gas stations 0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:16.399 and we're gonna have to, man, Okay, it's like you 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.040 know what I'm saying. They're both gonna run from mayor 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:21.199 to just go bigger anyway. So Doc Freeman offered that. 0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.920 And so in my school too, even though small town, 0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.280 they had a vocational program because against so many kids 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.760 grew up in the agricultural business and that kind of thing. 0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:30.960 And traditionally you either go to the military, you become 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:33.200 a farmer pretty much it, or you work at Walmart. 0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:37.760 It's one of three things. And um, my senior year, 0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:39.240 I'd already gotten all my credits out of the way, 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.960 so I thought, cool, I'm gonna take a vocational class 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:43.280 and I'm gonna take him up on it. So I 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.000 want to work at a vet clinic. And I've darned 0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.440 near almost became a veterinarian. Like I was pretty serious 0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.240 about it, and the fact like I was pulling scholarships 0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:55.600 to almost go to do it, and uh, I just 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.360 kept you from it. I never had it in my heart. Man, 0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.480 I was just doing it too to make some money, 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.240 and I knew that it would probably pay good at 0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:05.800 some point. You know, if you become a doctor or 0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:09.440 a um, obviously it pays okay, Um, dude, I played music. 0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.640 I've always played music, no matter what I mean. On 0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:13.800 the weekends, I was playing on hay wagons in in 0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:16.320 on eighty Acres down and on the East End, and 0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:20.240 for you know, um, just a bunch of beer drinking 0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:23.920 hank junior songs and skinnered covers and those kind of things, 0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:25.800 and I just had music in my heart. I've never 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:27.680 written a song at that point, but I loved playing 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:31.600 and whatever band I was in at the time. So 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.320 when he got right down to it, about a week 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:37.640 before I was going to go off to college, I decided, well, 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:39.560 I'm not gonna do that, So I'm just gonna go 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:42.480 to the closest place that has music. And I wanted 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:44.280 to get away from you know, you always want to 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:46.440 get away from where you come from, and then when 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.680 you get out, you want to have some of that back, 0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:52.880 which is interesting because I'd love I love small town lifestyles. 0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:54.560 My wife from a small town. I you know, I 0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:57.760 love it, um, but Nashville was the closest. So I 0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.240 packed up on I decided on a Thursday and packed 0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.800 up on Thursday afternoon and I moved came back. So 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:07.560 you moved to Nashville. You're out old, I was. I 0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:11.080 just turned nineteen. So you move here at nineteen? And 0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.840 where do you move? I'm moving a two door Monty 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:16.760 Carlo that you can um the folks can see. You 0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:19.280 know that that we talked about that country radio seminar 0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:21.040 show that I did. We did the video for it 0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:23.320 and I put the Green Money Carlo my video like 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.600 kind of a lifestyle. Lived in the car. I lived 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:27.440 in the back seat of a car with the back 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:29.600 seats would fold down, you know in those cars. They 0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:31.480 don't make cars like that anymore. It's really cool thing 0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:35.160 because it's not safe. Because I'm glad they don't make 0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:37.720 list they made sense back then there was more room, 0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:41.320 but we used to stand in the seats. I have 0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:44.360 written on so many consoles of bills with my head 0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:46.000 sticking out the old school sun roof. You know what 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:47.760 I'm talking about. We'd run the back of the truck, 0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:51.160 like you can't all that's gone, dude, lay in the 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.080 ever lay in the back of the ever lay to 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.520 get to get warm in the back window of like 0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:59.800 a cutlass. Yes, and on the on the like the 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:04.360 reverse console because that's where the heat comes that when 0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:07.480 the window comes down in that spot. Yeah. Do you 0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:09.640 ever travel like nine hours on a camper shell on 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:13.320 the back of the truck because with blankets? Yeah, yeah, 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.240 that was a road trip. It was. You get the 0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.360 truck and they're like five of us getting the campers 0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.360 shell in the back of the trump with blankets with 0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:22.000 a grandpa who's like um, kind of mean and and 0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:25.160 only makes sweet hands to ham sandwiches and will not 0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:26.920 pull over at Cracker Borough. I mean, I'm saying that 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:29.640 in a very nice way. By the way, same moved 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.760 in Nashville. You're living in your car. I'm living in 0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:34.920 the Tudor Monty Carlo. How do you find a play 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:37.280 the park? I mean, like, what do you park to live? Okay, 0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:39.560 here's a good one for you. So I pulled downtown 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:42.800 and I pulled what's now Hockey Tounk Central on Lower 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:45.600 Broadway in Nashville used to be Shawnicky as Irish Pub, 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.560 which was before my time here. I pulled into the 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:50.560 parking lot back there, and this is still when Lower 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.840 Broadway is kind of like undeveloped. It's you know, it's 0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.400 still kind of dangerous at night, that kind of thing. 0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:57.640 And um, so those listening. Lower Broadway is the main 0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.280 like tourists place in Nashville work. All the cars are 0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:01.720 where people come and they go to see all the 0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:03.400 music and where a lot of people go frankly to 0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.560 to try and quote make it, you know, and so 0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.200 um it's just the bright lights and big city kind 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.120 of thing. So I pulled there. I got a boot 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.320 on my car the first night because I had never 0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:15.880 paid a meter. I have never paid a machine to 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:17.360 get a take them out. And no, I mean, who 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:20.400 would know coming from I wrote it, boy that in 0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:21.680 my book that I was like, when I moved to 0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:23.360 Lot Rock and need to pay for parking, I was 0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:26.239 blown away. You had to pay to put your car. 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:30.280 It was a shot. It was a shock that I 0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:33.960 had to pay to put my car somewhere. Believe me, 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.000 I know, I got a boot the first night. So 0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:39.040 I'm like, well, this is awesome. So but anyway, dude, 0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:40.840 I'm I'm sleeping in the fold down so half in 0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:43.200 the trunk, half in the car kind of thing. And uh, 0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:45.360 I literally moved to her quintessential story with the back 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:49.360 a physical backpack full of CDs homemade you know, just 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.440 basically what you would call now garage band demos, UM 0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:55.080 that were really made in a garage on a two 0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:59.000 track dub recorder and UM transferred over to CD with 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:02.160 a sticky on top, you know. And so I came there, 0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:04.520 and I was just basically busting up down Lower Broadway 0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:07.160 with a guitar case totally Averacrombie to out Berkenstocks, the 0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:10.880 whole deal, and UM, asking for gigs. And I'll never 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.800 forget I walked into I walked into Twitsias, like at 0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.320 ten o'clock in the morning, and UM, the bartender was like. 0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:18.760 I was like, oh, I'm here for a gig. I 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.080 thought they were going to hand him out. Like I 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:22.920 could go to my hometown somewhere and just find a 0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:24.760 gig at a local pub or restaurant, you know which 0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:27.760 would you could do pretty easy? And UM, I'll never 0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.320 forget this bartender named Susan, I'll never forget it. She 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:32.880 look me around the eyes laughed in my face, and 0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:34.360 because easy to get the hell out of here. You're 0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.360 never gonna make it here ever, never gonna make it. 0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:40.640 Just get out of here because of how you look. 0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:42.640 I think because of how I looked. I was so young. 0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:44.280 I mean, and believe me, a nineteen, I looked like 0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:46.720 I was twelve. So it was like you put two 0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:49.000 and two together. It was a weird thing. So I left, 0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.040 and I'm going up down the street and I'm asking 0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:52.880 toga on stage, and nobody let me on stage. Did 0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.640 you ever play on the street? No, I was. I 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:57.840 just never wanted to go there. Man, I never wanted 0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:00.080 to go there. I I just figured this, if I 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:02.440 if I'm not good enough to get into the bar, 0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:05.080 if I can't get in there to sing, which at 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.359 that point to me was like, holy cow, I'm making it. 0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.760 You're singing in Nashville. I mean, people are in Nashville 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:15.120 watching I'm famous, like it's happening. It's like that's the feeling. 0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:17.120 You get your right. So I go back that night 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.120 and I finally get I begged doorman to get me 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:23.040 on stage. It puts me on stage was so nice. 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:25.880 It was like midnight, puts me on stage, and do 0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:30.480 you wanna hear something crazy if I moved here? CRS week. 0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:34.120 So CRS is when all country radio comes to town 0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.280 and the artists are in town and there every labels. 0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:41.200 I mean, it's a really busy radio e we Yeah. 0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:43.560 So when a long story short, he puts me on stage. 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.319 I played fulsome Prison Johnny Cash and I started the 0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:48.040 song out, and of course the band I was wondering 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:49.600 where they were looking at me and rolling their eyes. Gun, 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.480 oh my god, because they've already played it twenty times 0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:55.920 that day, starting at ten o'clock in the morning. It's 0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:59.160 about midnight, it's two hours left play the song. Crowd 0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:02.680 goes wild, the owners from the bar, dude leaves over 0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:05.200 the countercats, can you finish two more hours? I said, 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:09.040 that night right then I said yes I can. So 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:10.799 he looks at the other dude I swear to this 0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:13.440 is swear to God, looks at the other dude who 0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:15.359 was singing. I just let me up on stage. He goes, 0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:21.160 you're fired, go ahead, and I was like, okay. So 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.440 I played two more hours worth of just anything I 0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.160 could think of. Hank Williams, you just called him out 0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:28.279 to the BANDELM. I mean literally just start songs and 0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:30.200 they would just do it, you know. And so that 0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:32.640 was my intro to Nashville. And I got done about 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:35.400 two thirty in the morning. The next morning, I had 0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:36.799 a gig. They asked me right back, I done, said, 0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:37.800 can you be here in the morning to play? You 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:39.759 want a gig? You want to gig? I said, yeah, 0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:41.680 ten o'clock in the morning. I said, ten o'clock. Who 0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:43.520 plays at ten o'clock in the morning. I mean, what 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:45.839 are you talking about. Well, there's like They're like, well 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:47.719 that's what time the hockey talks open down here and 0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:50.120 if you want a gig, yes or no? I said absolutely. 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:52.799 So I came in, I played acoustic, and then I 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:54.439 got done with that one. It was a four hour show. 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:57.520 I got done with that one. Same thing. Dude was like, 0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.279 hey man, we had a two o'clock, actually cancel you 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.040 want to play the two to six? Go put a 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:03.520 band together. So I go on that. By the way, 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:06.400 my car is still booted sitting in the parking lot. Okay, 0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:10.279 never moved. I never really left. Okay, And plus I 0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:11.480 don't know what to do with the boot And plus 0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:13.040 I'm trying to get a gig and he's just trying 0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:15.880 to make it go put a band together. I had 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.040 like fifteen minutes, so I just started gathering people off 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:21.399 the street, just people walking down with amps and guitars, asking, Hey, 0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:24.200 what do you play? I there's so many musicians down 0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:26.279 there anyway, still are I mean, there's you go down 0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:29.400 there right now in Nashville. There'll be fifty guys walking 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:31.640 into different bars and coming out of bars with pedal 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:34.720 carts full of nice instruments and things. Okay, drums or whatever. 0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:37.000 So I put a little band together and I played 0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:38.880 the two to six, same thing for the six to 0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:40.120 ten they go once you go to the back room 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.400 with tood season and played the sixth ton. Okay, fine, 0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:44.760 Now keep in mind I started at ten o'clock that morning, 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:46.880 so then I played the six to ten, and then 0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:48.920 I got the ten to two that night. So I 0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:53.000 played sixteen hours in one day and never left the bar. 0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:57.359 And I did that continuously for three sixty four more 0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:00.399 days and until I got discovered for the first time. 0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:02.840 So he played a whole year. Yeah, I did sixteen 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:04.719 hours a day. Now, what did you finally get a 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.680 roof though? Okay, so I got a roof? Um, I 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:10.440 was crashing in the car man for pretty good a 0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:12.600 little bit there, and and of course what's a little 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:15.799 bit three or four weeks and you know, almost a 0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:17.680 solid month living in your car. Yeah, but you know 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:20.160 you meet people too, and you know I'm talking about 0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:22.760 from bar backs, you know, just some nice dude slinging 0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:26.480 slinging cases of beer or doormantor just whoever. H Tyler 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:30.239 farr Um, the the guy who owned the bar's son, 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.080 you know, who was a college kid at the time, 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:34.200 you know, and you you know, you gotta have showers 0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:35.719 and stuff, of course, So I mean you crash the 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:37.839 couch to or three times a week, maybe here and there, 0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:40.080 but most of the time, I mean I'm living very 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:43.200 much living out of the car. And then about a 0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:45.719 month into it, I was able to, you know, get 0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:50.520 my own apartment, which I shared with uh a doorman actually, 0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:52.640 the guy who first put me up on stage. Um 0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:55.600 Tyler farr was also crashing couches and doing that kind 0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:58.080 of thing and kind of jumping from apartment department, so 0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:01.600 he would sleep at our place a lot than um. 0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:03.200 You know, pay a little rent every now and again, 0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:04.879 that kind of thing, and just you just make it 0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.719 and I My first place was over in Antioch. Did 0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:11.799 you ever I'm wondering if it's you. Did you ever 0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:16.399 sleep on the lower level on the floor of Eric 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:21.080 Passley's wife's house. Was it that Jansen? Who wasn't the 0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:25.479 staying in past? It? Yeah, it was Natalie, but it wasn't. 0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:28.160 It wasn't Jansen, not this guy. Maybe it was still 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:30.480 it was one of the stow man because there are 0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:32.640 a bunch of guys you just hused to migrate around. 0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:36.280 Oh dude, I lived in Antioch over off of Levin 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:40.040 And Road, and um, right on the back of the 0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:43.040 roilroad tracks. Pretty shady, pretty shady. Appreciate you set. I'm 0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:46.600 not gonna lie, you know what shady means. Though, uh yeah, 0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:48.960 it was pretty awesome. But I was like, there's a 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:50.560 lot of money and you know that kind of thing. 0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:53.719 But hey, you know the deal is, man, you just 0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:56.520 do what you can. And and before I moved to Nashville, Um, 0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:59.960 I saved every penny I could to mowing lawns, selling snowcune, 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:01.960 a little snowcone business going on. That was a pretty 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:05.080 entrepreneurial guy. And um, you know one thing, I have 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:06.360 the other and gigs and that kind of thing. And 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:08.439 I'm not talking like big money. I'm talking like maybe 0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:10.360 twenty five bucks a show kind of deal, or you know, 0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.120 twenty bucks a night on snowcones. But I moved here 0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:15.920 with a little bit of cash in my pocket and 0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:17.680 uh and that sort of thing, and just made it 0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:20.040 from the made it from nothing. He started from the bottom. 0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:23.160 We're gonna play a spot here for one of our sponsors, 0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:26.000 with Chris Jansen right now. 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Um, 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:47.520 First of all, I was packing it out like like 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:50.480 like they say, nobody else ever has was the fire 0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:52.600 marshal shut us down all through the year, all the 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:54.320 time when I would play that kind of thing. And 0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:57.839 and it's you know, certain times more than others. But um, 0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:01.160 music business is what I mean by being discovered. People 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:05.520 from the industry, you know, A and R executives, label presidents, publishers, 0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:09.000 booking agents, those kind of things. Um, My first real 0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:14.960 break came from a movie director named Jonathan Demi, who, 0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:17.839 um you know, did hard of Gold for Neil Young 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:20.719 and UM stopped making sense. I think he just did 0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:24.560 the timber Lake thing too. Um, But anyway, he came in. 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:27.080 It was spot checking the rhyman until he's just kind 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:29.640 of downtown, just Nashville as a total vibe for the 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.320 Heart of Gold documentary on Neil Young and saw me 0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:37.800 playing and um and was like, Okay, I think you 0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.120 might be great for this documentary, you know, and wanted 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:41.920 to cast me in it. And that was kind of 0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:45.000 my intro to um a little bit of success and 0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:47.520 maybe perhaps my first paycheck, which ended up being my 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:50.480 first paycheck. Neil Young caught his attention and they put 0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.360 me in the documentary a small part, but a part nonetheless. 0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.200 And after that that really, you know, really sparked a 0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:00.239 lot of talk because I was just some kid in 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:04.719 Laura Broadway and not at the time nineteen my first year. Yeah, 0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:08.279 and um, not to mention. Then you know, then everybody 0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:10.600 started flooding in from the industry. It wasn't just fans 0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:12.520 and things like that. They were coming amongst the fans 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:17.279 and I'm talking about um, just anybody who's anybody man, 0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:19.680 And so you have been scotted by the whole town yeah, 0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:21.720 I didn't know it though I would had no clue. 0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:23.840 I had no I would. I would have no problem 0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:26.239 sending a tip jar around to whoever it might have 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.440 been at the time. So you say you didn't get 0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:30.880 a paid chake, you were getting paid in tips, tips 0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:36.359 only only tips, And so you'd play. If someone gave 0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:38.360 you a twenty, that was a big one. Huge. You 0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:40.600 play whatever they want? Do you play anything for I 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:44.040 played something for a dollar. Gives you a twenty? They 0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:46.640 jumped the line. It's a big deal. May I give 0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:49.920 you a hundred? Dude? People used to flood my I 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:56.120 mean we made likes one night, one night, okay, So 0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:57.960 how do you split that up? If you're the main guy, 0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:00.920 and you're really the main guy coming to watch the 0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:04.399 base although he is doing his work, I'm the dude, right, okay, 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:07.560 or whoever, for that matter, is the dude or the chick. Okay. 0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:11.600 When it's lower Broadway style, bro, it's mono, I mono. 0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:13.920 It is. Every man is equal, no matter what. That's 0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:15.440 just how they look at it down there, and it's 0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:18.120 just it's just the way it is. So when you're 0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.000 tip jarring it, you just split it. You know, if 0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:25.080 there's four people there, so you made night? Was there 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.400 a super corporate vendor something to happen at night? Like? No, No, 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:29.239 do an you think special about who it was? Did 0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.359 it know? I just used to hustle, man, I used 0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:34.320 to hustle. I still hustle. I am a hustler. Like 0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:36.920 I know that sounds so good over I am like, 0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:40.640 I am a hustler, dude. I don't come from anything. 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:44.319 I come from like I come from parents who worked 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:47.719 really hard and and did o care for themselves. But um, 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:50.120 in the grand scheme of things, man, I just never 0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:52.600 forget being told one time, son, I don't have it 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:54.440 to give to you. And I said, from that moment on, 0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:57.400 I will never live like this. I just I won't. 0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:00.040 And that's not meaning I'm not meaning dirt floor is 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:03.680 a poor by any means. I'm just saying not extra 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:07.080 to go around. And uh, I just said right then, 0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:08.640 I'm just not gonna live this way. I'm gonna hustle 0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.040 and do whatever I have to do to make money. 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:13.080 And when you're playing out of a tip jar, you 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:15.160 damn sure have to hustle. You have to learn to 0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:17.439 make it because, believe me, if you have five people 0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:19.440 in there from ten o'clock in the morning to ten 0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:21.600 o'clock at night. You know, any people, that is five people. 0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:23.480 And then by the way, you got to give a 0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:26.839 tips share to bartenders, tips shared a doorman and you're 0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:29.359 not making much money, so you have to be good 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:32.120 number one. You have to know your repertoire. Number two, 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:33.600 and you have to be able to sing anything, and 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.759 I mean anything, because if you don't, they'll go right 0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:38.839 next door to the next bar and find some other 0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:42.200 guy who is as you're doing this and you're playing 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:45.120 tutsis for a year and listen, I waited tables for 0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:47.799 a year, so I know. And it's definitely not the same. 0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:50.600 But there's a culture, there's a night time there's a 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:54.879 nighttime culture, and it's a different lifestyle. Yes, Now, were 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.480 you ever caught up in that lifestyle with any of 0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:01.840 the alcohol the drug use, because it's it's crazy. I 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:03.520 mean I watched I had to stay away from it 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:04.799 because I knew what I would do. I'd go right 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.799 into it and I would kill myself. Yeah, well, thanks 0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:10.000 for asking. Um. I never had a drink until it's 0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:12.279 twenty two and I've never done a drug in my 0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:15.160 life ever. Not not ever once, never even smoked the pot. 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:18.440 The pot. That's funny we have because I haven't. We 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.560 have so much in comment. You know, God, it's okay. 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.799 And I haven't drinking eight years. I'm thirty now used 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:28.280 to two. So did you just drink for a minute? 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:32.920 I did, And that's how I see you doing, Like 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:34.320 I don't see you doing anything. Happened, no, no, no, 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:36.239 no no no. The last date we had. But by 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:37.719 the way, my wife and I still didate we're gonna 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:40.640 date tonight. Here's the thing before we're married. The last 0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:43.959 day we had official one, I'm like sixteen long necks 0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:47.600 in I mean, like, I go hard when I drink. Man, 0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:50.080 it's like, if you're gonna drink, dude, get drunk. If not, 0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:52.759 just what is the point? Okay, So I've never had 0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:54.560 a drink and it's and it feels like it tastes 0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:57.400 it smells like just piss. Oh God, I just hate Like, 0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.279 why would I drink if I didn't do? Just want 0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:03.960 to get hammered? Honestly, why would I? Honestly, dude, I 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:05.480 never had a drink. I was twenty two. Do you 0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:08.120 believe that? Two? And when I did, I was like dude, 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.400 I don't let me get it so much. Stop. I 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.680 stopped because I met the love of my life that 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:18.440 I wanted to be completely committed to, and um, she 0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:22.600 had kids. Did you do as I do and just 0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:24.359 go okay, have a stop right now? Full? But don 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:28.120 don don't. I haven't had a drink since crazy. I'm 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:31.480 thirty years old. Crazy done. I try. I I take 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:33.480 that back, I'm not. I don't want to lie. I 0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:37.719 forgot this though. I did drink one time, one time 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.799 in the last what is eight or nine years? Okay, 0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:43.680 what was the occasion. The occasion was I was opening 0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:45.719 up for Darryl Singletary in the middle of nowhere in 0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:48.080 upstate New York, and there was nothing else to do 0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:49.879 than just get hammered. And my wife was like, it's 0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:51.719 okay to have like a glass of wine. I'm like, no, no, no, no, Nona, 0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:53.160 just keep on straight now. She's like, no, that's cool, 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:55.120 it's cool. And then my guitar player at the time, 0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:57.640 it's a great guy with a bad influence, he goes, 0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.279 I dare you to drink or try to out drink me, 0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:04.600 and I was like, it's on, that's all I tasted. 0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:07.359 Dare with my feet right now. I did you ab 0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:09.919 my feet right now? Actually, I mean, if you're hurting 0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:13.560 man or whatever. I look, look, look, I'm comfortable moan skin. 0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.279 But here's the deal. But dudes, but I'm not that 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:18.279 way anymore. But um, that's what I wrote. You know, 0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:19.920 we wrote better. I don't about stuff like that. But 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:23.960 the long story short, man, I was getting so hammered. 0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:25.640 I mean I was so hammered, and I was like 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:28.359 away from Kelly, I was playing horse shoes and corn 0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:30.040 hole in the back. And if you know, Darryl Seing 0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:32.000 was hery first of all, great guy and had had 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:34.440 big hits, you know, and one of his songs was 0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:37.200 I ain't never had too much fun? And I was 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:38.640 thinking these corn holes and I was like, you never 0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:41.040 had that much fun? Happy Darrel? Whoa? I mean, I 0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:43.879 was turned into like such a smarty pants. So it's 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:45.480 a good thing that I don't drink, man. But other 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.640 than that, I'm completely sober and I've never touched a drug. Man, 0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.400 I would. I'm just not that guy. I love cigars. 0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:54.280 I smoked cigars all the time. I had two cigars 0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:56.320 for it before we got on this podcast. But I 0:47:56.680 --> 0:48:00.520 just I don't. I don't smoke cigarettes. I'm allergic to him. Actually, um, 0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:02.839 whatever is in a cigarette, I'm allergic to. Not a cigar, 0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:04.920 though I can smoke them all day and fine, I 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:06.879 guess because you don't inhale them. But I've never never 0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:09.120 touched a drug. You don't help. I don't know about siguard. 0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:10.279 You don't have a health cigars? Well, I mean, I 0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:12.239 guess some people do with the real hardcore, but I 0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:13.719 mean that's that's that's not the thing was I just 0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:14.920 thought it was a bigger I what do I know 0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:17.400 about cigars? That was like a bigger cigarette? No, No, 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:19.480 I think it's just for me. I mean, from what 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:21.480 I know and the people I know who've smoked them, 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.600 it's just kind of a conversation piece and you just 0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:25.040 kind of puff on them a little bit and enjoyed 0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:26.480 the aroma. And that's kind of what I That's the 0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:29.520 only thing I do with them, dude, youth a cigar, right, 0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:31.200 I haven't eye that. Yeah, I thought they were just 0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:33.400 like big what do I I don't know anybody. Do 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:34.839 you know? The first thing that song I've heard from 0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:37.360 you was better? I don't moved to town and I 0:48:37.440 --> 0:48:46.560 was like, what is this song better? I doubt damn, 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:52.000 what's funny? I heard the song and so I come 0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:55.400 to down and it's a whole to do because for me, 0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:59.160 I was the first ever nationally syndicated country morning show, 0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:03.080 and it is, you know, just crazy from the people 0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:05.120 that were excited to people that weren't excited, all of 0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:07.879 these mixed basket of emotions. And I hear this song 0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:09.840 and I was like, man, this guy's nuts. Like I 0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:11.239 just love that. I was like, man, this guy's nuts. 0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:15.000 So I met Chris. Chris was the first ever guest 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:18.200 we had on our show period, Like we were on 0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:21.680 the air and just Nashville for a week before we 0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:24.040 went on the year nationally, and I was like, hey, 0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:28.719 you sound crazy and good and that's what I like you, 0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:31.520 So why don't you come do the show? So Chris 0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:34.160 showed up and played the song as our first ever 0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:36.680 guest on on a show that no one thought was 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:40.600 gonna last more than a year, like really, so far, 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:44.640 we'll see And Chris came in and just and and 0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:46.960 played this so well. Now, but I do think I 0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:48.960 look back at that first time and it was just like, man, 0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:51.000 it's so good. And then from that time, you know, 0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:53.120 all the way until now deal or no deal or 0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:56.640 whatever the occasion, it was just like, let's just call Chris. 0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.200 Charity event, non charity event, single, no single. It was like, 0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:01.840 let's just call Chris. Let's just call it Chris. And 0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:04.200 that's just kind of how it's been for three and 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:08.279 a half years now. Our first freaking guest on a 0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:09.920 show that wasn't gonna make it to a guy that 0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:12.560 they also told, hey, you're not gonna make it, and 0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:15.439 hey we're gonna drop you, and hey we're plenty of times. Dude, 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:18.640 I wrote that song with Kelly, my wife. Really it 0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:22.279 was better around. That's a true story, as you well know. 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:27.560 Let me ask you this. So your wife also your manager? Okay, 0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:30.600 how does that work for you? It is the only 0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:32.480 way I would do it. So does that mean a 0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:34.319 hundred percent of the money just goes into the money? 0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:37.160 Good questions? I have a manager two and I know 0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:41.640 she gets and so you guys are married. I mean, 0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:45.239 how's that working? You know what? Um? She has a 0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:47.960 co manager that she has, um that she teams with. 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:52.600 UH that actually teamed with her rephrased that team with her. UM. 0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:54.800 First of all, let me say, without Kelly, I wouldn't 0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:58.720 do anything um in this business. I had already decided 0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:03.560 that Red for by my boat happened. Um. I was 0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:07.600 very happy and very content. And once it did, I said, 0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:10.640 the only the only way that I will go forward 0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:13.640 with this song and and thanks to you for making 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:17.120 a hit that very first moment um. The only way 0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:19.120 I'll do it is if you manage me this go around, 0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:21.239 and I won't do it any other way. I just 0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:24.799 so she wasn't your manager before. Absolutely, so this round 0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:28.600 now that you the new Jansen, the new label of 0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:31.080 the new that the star now it has been with 0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:34.680 her absolutely And I will tell you and not just 0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:38.160 because not just because she's my wife, and not just 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:39.960 because I'm trying to pat her on the back, but 0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:44.160 she is the brains behind the operation. Okay I write 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:47.480 the songs and I sing that, yes, but without her 0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:53.799 just sense of the world, I probably be a train wreck. 0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:58.920 So you wrote this with her? Yes, bath forward. If 0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:03.960 you're not going to be an artist anymore and you're 0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:06.640 writing song because I assume you saw had a publishing 0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:08.480 deal and someone could you still write a songs? You 0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:09.840 just decided to doing me a songwriter was that it. 0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:11.400 You're just gonna be at santime be a songwriter. I 0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:14.360 was gonna be a songwriter and an independent artist and 0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:16.680 just be happy and content with that and just tour 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:20.200 because I've always had a fan base, thankfully, because I've 0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:22.839 all I've ever known is playing live. You know, It's 0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:25.399 just what I do. So we've been touring forever, whether 0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:26.640 it be in my truck, I mean we stoid, we 0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:29.360 stoud get in my truck man on Craig's. I'm a 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:32.799 Craigslist junkie, right, So I've had a million trucks off Craiglister, cars, whatever, 0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:35.000 and flip them and sell them just like people do houses. 0:52:35.480 --> 0:52:38.400 And Man were getting at Craigslist truck and drive eleven 0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:40.600 hours on a Friday night to West Virginia. I get 0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:42.440 up and play for an hour for five dollars, drive 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:44.080 back the same night. I mean, we would just do 0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:47.240 anything we could to make ends meet and support a family. 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.040 And and we've Man, I remember just feeling so rich. 0:52:50.200 --> 0:52:52.600 I mean literally, like I don't know what it was. 0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:54.759 We were like God, we are like doing We're making 0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.120 it like this is awesome, and we don't have a 0:52:57.480 --> 0:52:59.600 there's no record, do we not to answer anybody. It's 0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:03.800 amazing thing. And I mean just nothing, you know, just nothing, 0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:05.560 and but do we got to the point we're like 0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:08.800 rolling in a bus and stuff independent, like just a 0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:11.560 full blown prevote tour bus and playing show. Has got 0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:13.879 a great agent. I have the best agent in the world, 0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:16.279 like a guy, a guy who didn't care if I 0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:18.279 had a record doing not like just didn't care and 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:21.360 just believed in what I did talent wise and for 0:53:21.800 --> 0:53:24.920 whatever reason, man, I didn't have to give a sales 0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:27.200 pitch and he just he didn't have to sell it, 0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:30.280 and he just joined with us and took it in stride, 0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:34.000 just like we do. So you're writing buy me a boat. 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:35.600 Did you write that for you or were you just 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:37.839 writing it to write? It's not just writing it to ride. 0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:42.239 At that point, um, brother, I I was listening to 0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:45.960 Hank Junior Records all morning. Came in Christo Ball and 0:53:46.040 --> 0:53:48.440 my co writer was like, what you want to write today? 0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:51.279 And uh, at that point I had already like pre 0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:53.960 I'd already prefaced him in the in like we had 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:55.960 like one co right before that. I didn't preface him 0:53:56.000 --> 0:53:57.920 like I don't want to be an artist. But but 0:53:58.000 --> 0:53:58.960 he's like, dude, what are you talking to me? You 0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:00.840 want to be an artist like you? You're an artists. 0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:03.640 What you do, it's what you do. We went in and, um, 0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:08.920 I wrote the biggest song of my career. When you 0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:11.000 finished this song where you're like, ah, this is a 0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:13.000 good one, because you write a lot of songs, yes, 0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:16.120 I will say that. I was like, that's a good 0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:18.960 that is awesome. I love I actually loved that. And 0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:21.400 I remember telling Kelly about it before we got the 0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:23.319 demo and stuff. I remember like, I love this song. 0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:27.200 And we got the demo played for Kelly again, the 0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:30.680 brains of the operation said, that's a huge hit. We're 0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:32.839 gonna put that out. We gotta keep your touring going. 0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:38.719 So you put it up on iTunes? Yes, no label, nope, Yeah, 0:54:39.000 --> 0:54:41.160 but just did you? I mean you're running your own 0:54:41.320 --> 0:54:42.960 literally just run them on a little operation. I mean, 0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:44.200 I don't know anything about it, you know. I'm just 0:54:44.239 --> 0:54:45.880 like whatever. I signed up on tune core of my 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:49.359 with my like personal email and everything else. I mean, 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:52.640 just whatever. It's I was like, God, you can click, 0:54:52.680 --> 0:54:54.279 you can go on like twenty different now I'm going 0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:56.080 on on all these man, I won't gonna sell five 0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:57.640 of these things, but this is gonna be awesome. Five 0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:03.320 between five. So, um, the quick version of this. You 0:55:03.440 --> 0:55:06.600 email me the song, I play it. It's skyrockets, Okay, 0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:08.840 all that happens. Now, what I want to know is 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:12.279 that period between that happening in the song blowing up 0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:16.120 and the period you've signed a record deal. So I 0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:18.600 play it like five times in one morning, and it's 0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:21.360 obviously a hit because the people listening to the radio 0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:23.080 made it a hit. They download it like crazy. They 0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:27.279 love so fast forward past that day and want me 0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:29.200 through the next couple of months as you were trying 0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:31.320 to find a record that were they coming at you 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:34.000 from different directions, different labels, and what happens then whenever 0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:39.160 there's a song that's huge from an unsigned artist, this 0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:42.799 is a fun part. So that happened. And by the way, 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:44.560 thank you, you know what to say. That's why I 0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:47.719 glossed over it. You're welcome moving on. I know I 0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:50.440 know that, but I'm I'm just you know what kind 0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:52.520 of person I am, And I'm just I'm always gonna 0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:54.560 praise you for it. Man. You change your life. It's 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:57.320 you change my kid's life. It's unbelievable. I really do 0:55:57.440 --> 0:55:59.200 appreciate it. Whether you can take it or not, I 0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:01.520 appreciate it. I'm the same way. I can't take compliments, 0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:05.600 but I mean that. Um So, here's what happened. You 0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:08.080 played the song. I wasn't even awake yet, as you 0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:10.000 well know, I know, we woke you up. I mean, 0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:14.320 you gotta understand. We just got back from the beach. Okay, 0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:16.840 I had that song trucky I'm McGraw, and and we 0:56:17.080 --> 0:56:19.640 we spent every little penny we made all that to 0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:23.160 buy an investment property, a little little eaty bitty beach condo. Right, 0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:24.839 we're down there, we're like redoing it. We're like, oh 0:56:24.920 --> 0:56:27.640 my god, we're making it so awesome making it. And uh. 0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:30.440 In the meanwhile, like I'm like, oh crap, I mean 0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:32.319 I got tu got tun quarter tomorrow, Kellers, you get 0:56:32.360 --> 0:56:34.359 two quarter tomorrow. And we're on the way back, and well, 0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:35.920 you know, we got in it. Like why why did 0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:37.200 I make you that like two o'clock in the more? 0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:38.600 You okay, it was we got it like two o'clock 0:56:38.600 --> 0:56:40.839 in the morning. And I remember being on for Joy 0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:42.839 Week three weeks prior to that, and you said, if 0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:44.720 you've got anything, just send it to me as my buddy, 0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:47.600 and I was like, okay, and I because people will 0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:49.040 send me music and when I don't ask, I don't 0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:51.040 listen to it, right, But I asked you. I was like, dude, 0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:53.560 whatever you have, send it and you know and you 0:56:53.640 --> 0:56:55.440 know me, I'm just and for people listening to there, 0:56:55.480 --> 0:56:56.719 I'm just not that kind of guy. Like I'm just 0:56:57.080 --> 0:56:58.680 is not that guy. I don't want it to come 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:01.040 off like oh man, and maybe he'll play my song 0:57:02.840 --> 0:57:05.719 right or maybe not even whoever would play myself. I'm 0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:07.680 just not that kind of guy. And you gotta understand. 0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:09.919 The day before you played it, I'm sitting there telling 0:57:10.000 --> 0:57:14.360 Luke Brian at a table in Deston, Florida. He's like, 0:57:14.400 --> 0:57:15.799 my on, what you guy going on? And I said, 0:57:15.840 --> 0:57:17.960 oh man, just nothing, just touring right and saw you know, Bubba, 0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:20.160 we're down here remodeling this thing. He's like, oh man, 0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:22.120 that's cool. And then the next morning you played it, 0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:23.760 and I saw him three weeks later, he's like, what 0:57:24.000 --> 0:57:28.200 the hell I mean are you kidding? So anyway, you 0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:30.960 played the song, I wasn't even up yet. I get up. 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:32.960 I'm doing the dad thing. I mean, like Kelly is 0:57:32.960 --> 0:57:34.840 going to start. But We're just doing the normal deal, right. 0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:38.160 She's like, um, oh my god, uh turn the radio. Good, 0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:40.920 good your truck turning radio? Um, my phone's blown up, 0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:42.880 like probably won't playing your song. Like, what are you 0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:45.040 talking about? I mean, that's really what are you what 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:46.880 I mean, I didn't. I forgot I sent it to you. 0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:49.200 I mean, yeah, that's how nonchalant it was, you know. 0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:52.960 And so I get in the truck and then we 0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:55.040 talked on the phone. And in the middle after I 0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:56.680 got off the phone with you and and Eddie and 0:57:56.720 --> 0:57:59.160 the and the crew there. I never forget that when 0:57:59.160 --> 0:58:00.840 I was talking to Edie and he was remember he 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:03.400 was saying, it's going up the okay, right, I was 0:58:03.440 --> 0:58:05.480 talking to him. I never forget then when you hung 0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:07.280 up the phone and I got my first phone call 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:09.360 from a record label, and it was Chris Lacy at 0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:13.200 Warner Brothers. And she was like, oh my god, um, 0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:16.280 what's going on. I'm like, I haven't heard from you, 0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:19.840 and like I never hear from you, you know that 0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:23.120 kind of thing. I mean what I mean at this point, 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:27.320 I'm just whatever, you know, and she goes, do you 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:28.560 want to record to it? I mean, do you even 0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:30.200 want to record it. I mean, I don't know, do you. 0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:33.600 I don't know what's up? Oh my god, what's going on? 0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:37.120 I mean I'm crying. I mean my dad's crying. I mean, 0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:39.600 what's going on? I mean, That's exactly how the conversation went. 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:41.600 I'm like, I don't even know call call my wife. 0:58:42.640 --> 0:58:46.040 She's like, UM, can I call Johnaspisito at Warner Brothers, 0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:48.080 just the president of the label, you know, Can I 0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:50.320 call him? And can we can we just get a 0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:52.600 meeting with you? And I'm like, I'm thinking, boy, how 0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:55.120 the tables have turned and you have leverage? Do you 0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:58.120 have a you have? You have what they want? Which 0:58:58.120 --> 0:59:00.920 did they hit? Well, it's so that happens. And in 0:59:01.040 --> 0:59:06.280 the meantime. In the meantime, phone calls are swarming Kelly's phone, like, 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:08.200 how did you get my wife's phone number? I'm talking 0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:10.000 like people we don't even know, people from like out 0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:13.560 of state, people from out of country. Literally record labels 0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:18.560 by one o'clock in the afternoon thirteen thirteen, solid real 0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:21.480 record deal offers like big ones, the biggest, the biggest 0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:28.000 you could get. I liked John Esposito and Chris Lacey, 0:59:28.280 --> 0:59:32.360 Scott Hendricks, Peter Strickland. I like the team. It was 0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:36.120 really good sign with them. By the way, thank you 0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:38.800 listen to this so I get in there. The vestage 0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:41.720 had to come. There's a very special lady that works 0:59:41.720 --> 0:59:45.040 at the label, and she would be embarrassing if we've 0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:46.600 even mentioned her. Probably she's like not that kind of 0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:48.960 person like to credit take credit for things. Her name 0:59:49.000 --> 0:59:51.280 is Lisa ray We love her very much, my brand manager. 0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:55.000 She pulled over her car. She was the first person 0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:57.120 I didn't know this. She was the first person before 0:59:57.200 --> 1:00:00.479 Chris Lacey, before anybody knew or even heard on the radio, 1:00:01.640 --> 1:00:04.120 who just happened to be listening to your show. I 1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:06.320 had no idea who I was pulled over a car 1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:09.479 and goes, oh my god, started calling everybody Warner Brothers. 1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:10.800 You have to get ahold of it. Do you know 1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:14.000 who Chris Jansen is? Chris Lace Like, of course the 1:00:14.120 --> 1:00:15.440 dude and turn it on. That's how the whole thing 1:00:15.520 --> 1:00:18.880 started without Lisa ray Man like for real, and she's 1:00:18.880 --> 1:00:22.200 one of our She's she's our tightest compadre at the label. Um, 1:00:23.000 --> 1:00:25.800 but without starting with you, bro, like it just I 1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:28.320 just can't even imagine where we would be. It's unbelievable. 1:00:29.560 --> 1:00:32.000 We got offered so many record deals. John Asposito was 1:00:32.040 --> 1:00:36.760 on vacation, flew in, we had a special meeting. Um 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:40.240 I didn't I didn't need to take anymore in person 1:00:40.360 --> 1:00:43.440 meetings than that. See you signed with Warner Brothers, which, 1:00:43.480 --> 1:00:45.160 by the way, John Easo also on his death. But 1:00:45.200 --> 1:00:47.080 it was one of my favorite people in town. Like 1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:51.440 just a great dude. And also you know, ran hip 1:00:51.480 --> 1:00:53.240 hop label for a while. That was what I love 1:00:53.240 --> 1:00:57.080 about Hi, bro. I gotta tell you I've never told 1:00:57.120 --> 1:00:58.240 you this because we're gonna kick out of this and 1:00:58.320 --> 1:01:00.400 not gonna mention names because it it doesn't adder and 1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:03.480 and and I'm still actually you know, acquainted friends with 1:01:03.560 --> 1:01:07.000 these people. Um, we've had great successes together actually on 1:01:07.040 --> 1:01:10.000 other other projects. However, I wanted to tell you that 1:01:11.120 --> 1:01:14.360 two weeks before you played my song, I was in 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:19.520 a label meeting trying to get signed off of not 1:01:19.880 --> 1:01:21.120 I was trying to get signed up buying me a 1:01:21.160 --> 1:01:23.760 boat and those kind of things. Okay, um off my 1:01:23.840 --> 1:01:27.160 tune Core project was about to come out, and they 1:01:27.200 --> 1:01:30.360 were Um, I just never forget a very very influential 1:01:30.840 --> 1:01:33.560 executive in town going that is not a hit that 1:01:33.640 --> 1:01:35.920 will never work. Country music is not going in that direction, 1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:40.600 and um kind of liked my other stuff, but basically 1:01:40.680 --> 1:01:43.880 just in a very rude way, wasted my time, showed 1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:45.680 up in sweatpants, like I didn't want to be at 1:01:45.680 --> 1:01:49.040 the meeting kind of thing, and it really, it really 1:01:49.080 --> 1:01:51.080 got me in a pretty big funk. I'm not gonna lie, 1:01:51.400 --> 1:01:53.080 and so that was when you played it. It was 1:01:53.720 --> 1:01:55.600 a big deal, and it was a big deal for 1:01:55.680 --> 1:01:58.360 my family, and it was it came at a time 1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:00.960 where I and you know this, I say this with 1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:03.400 a lot of pride. And now it's funny. I didn't 1:02:03.440 --> 1:02:05.720 really want a record deal. I wasn't really looking for one. 1:02:05.840 --> 1:02:07.320 Isn't that funny how life works. That's how a lot 1:02:07.360 --> 1:02:10.800 of life works. Yeah, it's like we were not looking 1:02:10.840 --> 1:02:14.000 for one man. We were not looking at all for one. Okay, 1:02:14.520 --> 1:02:17.200 we've been burnt. We've been burnt once before. I had 1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:19.000 one before that one that we got burnt that we 1:02:19.080 --> 1:02:21.080 didn't get burnt. I just like the label fell apart. 1:02:21.120 --> 1:02:23.040 It was just, yeah, I just didn't have a very good, 1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:26.560 awesome upbringing as far as record labels were concerned. And 1:02:26.640 --> 1:02:28.240 now I finally feel like we don't have a home. 1:02:28.480 --> 1:02:32.040 It's really cool because they really respect my artistry and 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:34.240 it was more than just buy me a boat. They 1:02:35.560 --> 1:02:37.040 they let me make the records I want to make, 1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:39.640 and they respect my songwriting, which really matters to me. 1:02:39.760 --> 1:02:43.080 It really matters to me big time. And um, you know, 1:02:43.160 --> 1:02:45.400 we just would love Warner Brothers. And by the way, 1:02:46.440 --> 1:02:49.760 there was a guy um named Clay honeycut Um who 1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:52.440 was with my Heart Media at the time. And um, 1:02:52.560 --> 1:02:54.760 you know before I signed my deal, before I signed 1:02:54.800 --> 1:02:57.200 my deal, after you played it, before I signed the deal, um, 1:02:57.520 --> 1:02:59.440 he picked me as the first independent artist for the 1:02:59.480 --> 1:03:02.000 on Diverge program would buy me a boat, which is 1:03:02.040 --> 1:03:06.240 an unbelievable blessing and something that was huge and very 1:03:06.440 --> 1:03:09.360 um humbling for me. Also, before I signed the deal, 1:03:09.760 --> 1:03:14.400 c MT. Leslie fram Um came to Kelly. We want 1:03:14.440 --> 1:03:17.480 to we my my my bosses and and all of 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:19.840 my cohorts and everybody. We want to come together. We 1:03:19.880 --> 1:03:23.080 want to make a music video independent for buying me 1:03:23.120 --> 1:03:26.600 a boat. And uh they funded the video. It was 1:03:26.680 --> 1:03:30.320 really an amazing thing and they did and then then 1:03:30.400 --> 1:03:33.000 the Warner Brothers deal h came in and took effect. 1:03:33.040 --> 1:03:35.200 After the you know, I had a meeting and everything 1:03:35.320 --> 1:03:38.960 was just such on the fast track, and um, then 1:03:39.040 --> 1:03:41.840 it all just happened and we're still We're like we're 1:03:41.920 --> 1:03:44.680 riding this huge wave and we we we don't want 1:03:44.680 --> 1:03:46.200 to get off of it. We really enjoy it it. 1:03:46.280 --> 1:03:48.600 But we're very thankful. Were very notice that the Grindstone 1:03:48.600 --> 1:03:50.880 we're still the same people, and um, we just we've 1:03:51.000 --> 1:03:52.640 learned a lot. We've learned what it's like to have 1:03:53.200 --> 1:03:55.840 the great successes of the music business now and um, 1:03:55.920 --> 1:03:58.520 the upsides and the downsides and then all the in betweens, 1:03:59.000 --> 1:04:02.560 and um we're join it. So as you talk about songwriting, 1:04:02.600 --> 1:04:04.720 we're gonna go through and I'll play a song that 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:07.320 you wrote on give me about a fifteen second story 1:04:07.360 --> 1:04:09.840 about each of the songs. Alright, you ready we did 1:04:09.880 --> 1:04:14.120 how I'll always be Why don't we do? Truck Yeah, 1:04:15.720 --> 1:04:19.080 truck yeah? Dude. Um, I got in there with my 1:04:19.200 --> 1:04:22.840 boys low Cash and another cat named Danny Merick. Danny's 1:04:22.840 --> 1:04:24.400 a great guitar player and a great guy on a 1:04:24.440 --> 1:04:28.160 beat box kind of things. I don't know, man, Uh, 1:04:29.040 --> 1:04:32.800 I said, Uh, I said, well if yeah, you know, 1:04:32.880 --> 1:04:35.000 talking like dudes due in the locker room, and uh, 1:04:35.600 --> 1:04:40.160 Preston goes, whoooo, what about truck? Yeah, man, and I 1:04:40.280 --> 1:04:42.400 was like, yeah, that would never work, and that's how 1:04:42.480 --> 1:04:44.280 the song came about. In about twenty minutes later, we 1:04:44.320 --> 1:04:47.439 had a song and that was my first ever cut 1:04:47.720 --> 1:04:51.400 recording artist cut period. Yeah, ended up being a single 1:04:51.440 --> 1:04:52.680 in the number one song. I had a couple of 1:04:52.720 --> 1:04:55.600 things recorded that like didn't mean anything. My first cut 1:04:55.640 --> 1:04:58.520 on a major artist was Tim McGraw Truck. Yeah. We 1:04:58.600 --> 1:05:01.000 were pushing Georgia, our youngest thought her around in the stroller. 1:05:01.360 --> 1:05:05.479 We just had her. That's how God works. How about 1:05:05.560 --> 1:05:10.520 this one? I Love this Life with loque freaking okay, 1:05:10.640 --> 1:05:14.440 same cruise, truck Yeah, same exact writers, all three entities. 1:05:15.040 --> 1:05:16.919 What's gonna be interesting is how you tell the story 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:19.320 because I heard we heard this story from Preston, but 1:05:19.360 --> 1:05:21.200 I want to hear how you tell it because everybody's 1:05:21.200 --> 1:05:23.520 perspective is always different because you come from different sizes. Yeah, 1:05:23.560 --> 1:05:26.000 no worse, So well, it will probably be pretty similar 1:05:26.000 --> 1:05:28.200 because we're we're very much on the same page. We 1:05:28.280 --> 1:05:30.840 all showed up at Danny's house and I was wired 1:05:30.920 --> 1:05:33.160 like on fourteen Mountain Dews or something, and I go 1:05:33.360 --> 1:05:37.360 in and, um, I'm just like you Can Can Can 1:05:37.480 --> 1:05:39.800 just playing guitar, and Danny's playing guitar as great guitar player, 1:05:39.880 --> 1:05:43.960 great melody guy, and we all just started rapping off words. Okay. 1:05:44.480 --> 1:05:45.640 And I have to tell you, I have to give 1:05:45.640 --> 1:05:46.920 a lot of credits to low Cash on a lot 1:05:46.960 --> 1:05:50.160 of these lyrics because they were feeling a low Cash 1:05:50.240 --> 1:05:53.200 song and I was feeling it for him. Now, I 1:05:53.280 --> 1:05:55.760 will say when Boys of Summer comes on. Yes, Preston, 1:05:55.880 --> 1:05:59.160 y asked Chris, It's totally my line. I love that line. Right. 1:06:00.200 --> 1:06:02.439 But man, we just started thinking about happy things, which, 1:06:02.520 --> 1:06:04.800 by the way, I don't naturally wake up and write 1:06:04.840 --> 1:06:06.880 these kind of songs. I naturally wake up and write 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:11.200 like Dean Dylan, George Strait kind of songs. Okay, naturally 1:06:11.280 --> 1:06:13.280 when I wake up. I had to work at this one, 1:06:13.480 --> 1:06:15.320 and I'm proud to be a part of it. How 1:06:15.360 --> 1:06:17.360 about And this is the title track from Justin Moore 1:06:17.840 --> 1:06:20.400 from his record Off the Beaten Path, number one record. Yeah, 1:06:20.520 --> 1:06:26.080 Off the Beaten Path. This is my dude here, love him, 1:06:26.560 --> 1:06:29.320 like him and I have a relationship outside of anything worthwise, 1:06:29.400 --> 1:06:31.320 like when I need tickets. I mean, this is like 1:06:32.480 --> 1:06:36.320 solid dude, he is so solid. Um story behind the 1:06:36.360 --> 1:06:38.920 song fifteen seconds. Jeremy Stover, the same guy, wrote how 1:06:38.920 --> 1:06:41.960 will always be with Um who also produces Justin which, 1:06:42.200 --> 1:06:43.840 by the way, doesn't mean you're gonna get a Justin 1:06:43.880 --> 1:06:46.640 Moore cut. It just happens to be Um. I sang 1:06:46.720 --> 1:06:49.960 this demo actually, and it was a very much I 1:06:49.960 --> 1:06:51.360 don't mean to talk in third person here, but it 1:06:51.440 --> 1:06:53.640 was very much a Jansen song. It was gonna be 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:55.320 on me as an artist, but I didn't have a 1:06:55.320 --> 1:06:58.040 record at the time, so what did that matter? Justin 1:06:58.160 --> 1:07:00.600 was cutting loved the song. Record of the song ended 1:07:00.680 --> 1:07:02.280 up being the title track to his number one record 1:07:02.400 --> 1:07:05.040 Off the Beaten Path. What's it like when Hank Junior 1:07:05.040 --> 1:07:08.120 cuts one of your songs? I mean, that's gotta I 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:11.040 mean you mentioned you just go play Hank buddy, And 1:07:11.120 --> 1:07:20.520 then when he cuts one, thank you Julian Raymond who 1:07:20.600 --> 1:07:23.160 has uh produced that record and works at They Machined. 1:07:23.280 --> 1:07:25.040 What a great guy. If you don't know him, you 1:07:25.080 --> 1:07:29.800 need to. He's top notch. And thanks Hank Williams. I'm 1:07:29.800 --> 1:07:32.000 an old I'm an old friend of Hank Hanks, an 1:07:32.000 --> 1:07:34.560 old friend of mine. We go way back. Hank actually 1:07:34.560 --> 1:07:36.760 gave me my first opportunity to have a major tour 1:07:37.280 --> 1:07:39.760 Hank and Leonard Skinner and Lardy Friends tour two years 1:07:39.760 --> 1:07:42.840 in a row, and uh Ken Levitan also his manager, 1:07:43.000 --> 1:07:47.960 which was an amazing thing. Man, I got to Hank 1:07:48.040 --> 1:07:52.120 Junior cuts, and they are my greatest musical achievements as 1:07:52.160 --> 1:07:54.440 far as songwritings in certain period, because when you grew 1:07:54.560 --> 1:07:57.120 up listening to Whiskey Bent and hell Bound and Hank 1:07:57.560 --> 1:08:00.760 and and Hank Senior music alive. And then Hank Jr. 1:08:01.320 --> 1:08:04.920 Sends word through the grape vine to brother Jansen that 1:08:05.040 --> 1:08:07.040 he wants something that kind of sounds Whiskey Bent and 1:08:07.080 --> 1:08:09.360 hell Bnest but not Whiskey Bent hell Bond, just updated. 1:08:09.400 --> 1:08:11.200 And you send him those days are gone and he 1:08:11.280 --> 1:08:13.320 cuts it right off the bat. What was the other 1:08:13.360 --> 1:08:22.640 one you cut? God fearing man, It's gotta be cool 1:08:22.680 --> 1:08:26.599 to have when the hero thinks something your wrote. Bro. Honestly, 1:08:27.800 --> 1:08:29.559 my here. First of all, let me say my hero 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:32.360 is Jesus, and my other hero is It's might surprise you, 1:08:32.439 --> 1:08:34.280 but my other hero, um whom you will meet at 1:08:34.320 --> 1:08:36.160 some point, is my father in law. It's great man, 1:08:36.600 --> 1:08:41.599 great man. We're like two piece in a freaking pod. Honestly, 1:08:41.960 --> 1:08:46.559 just different ages. Hank Junior though, is a musical definitely 1:08:46.560 --> 1:08:48.360 a musical influence, and I would guess you would say 1:08:48.400 --> 1:08:51.160 country music hero of mine. To have him record those 1:08:51.160 --> 1:08:53.439 songs do it was like, I'm telling you my greatest 1:08:53.560 --> 1:08:56.120 musical achievement as a songwriter ever it will always be 1:08:56.760 --> 1:08:58.880 because when you come from where I come, where you 1:08:58.920 --> 1:09:02.280 come for where we come from, born to boogie? Is 1:09:02.320 --> 1:09:05.200 it all my righty friends are coming overnight? That is 1:09:05.240 --> 1:09:08.760 the deal? And dude, not one but two, it was 1:09:09.640 --> 1:09:12.920 that was my great great honor. You played at the 1:09:13.040 --> 1:09:16.080 Republican National Convention instead of truck Yeah, you played Trump? Yeah? 1:09:16.120 --> 1:09:20.559 Whose idea wasn't the change of the word. Honestly, man, 1:09:20.640 --> 1:09:22.360 I got kind of backed into a corner that night. 1:09:22.479 --> 1:09:26.120 It was the Networks, So you're gonna play truck Yeah. 1:09:26.520 --> 1:09:29.639 I was gonna play truck yeah. Absolutely, just truck yeah. 1:09:30.920 --> 1:09:33.880 And um they were like, hey man, how would you 1:09:33.920 --> 1:09:35.519 feel about doing Trump yet? And I'm like, I don't, no, 1:09:35.760 --> 1:09:38.840 no if I feel so good about that? Uh you know, 1:09:39.400 --> 1:09:42.479 And it's not not because I like or dislike Trump. 1:09:42.520 --> 1:09:43.800 It's just I don't know if I feel good about 1:09:43.800 --> 1:09:45.800 doing that. It just wasn't the song in your mind. 1:09:45.840 --> 1:09:47.960 That's it. The song is what it is, right, and 1:09:48.160 --> 1:09:50.360 so it is what it is, A big hit. Everybody 1:09:50.400 --> 1:09:52.640 knows it. I've been warming up all day singing and 1:09:52.720 --> 1:09:54.280 that kind of thing, and I was like, cool truck, Yeah, 1:09:54.320 --> 1:09:58.120 whoa right party song. It was their idea. But when 1:09:58.200 --> 1:10:00.360 in Rome do as the Romans do, you know what? 1:10:00.479 --> 1:10:03.840 It kind of worked out because Cruise is getting booed 1:10:03.840 --> 1:10:06.840 off stage. I started singing it and Trump walks out 1:10:06.840 --> 1:10:10.960 and goes he gives me that trump thumbs and I'm 1:10:11.040 --> 1:10:13.960 like with the mouth out, Yeah, it's good. It's so good. 1:10:14.080 --> 1:10:19.240 It was the song. Actually, excuse me, excuse me. It 1:10:19.400 --> 1:10:22.800 made me sappy when you did it. Okay, thank you, 1:10:22.920 --> 1:10:24.760 thank you. I win the debate. It's over. I won. 1:10:24.840 --> 1:10:29.880 You lost. That's a good oppresion. Dude. Hey man, hey, 1:10:30.080 --> 1:10:33.360 you know what to answer your question, It is true. Um, 1:10:34.360 --> 1:10:37.000 I've only ever played music to play music, that's the 1:10:37.040 --> 1:10:41.519 bottom line. And it was a gig, and it was 1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:43.519 a big gig. And you know what, no matter if 1:10:43.560 --> 1:10:45.000 it's for the left side of the road or the 1:10:45.080 --> 1:10:46.800 right side of the road. A gigs and gigs and 1:10:46.880 --> 1:10:49.360 gigs a gig. And at the bottom line is they 1:10:49.439 --> 1:10:52.360 pay you for that, of course, absolutely no, it was 1:10:52.400 --> 1:10:54.280 a paid gig. I looked at it as a tour show, 1:10:54.360 --> 1:10:56.840 which is exactly what it was. It just happened to 1:10:56.920 --> 1:10:59.160 get a little blown out of proportion because it's a 1:10:59.200 --> 1:11:08.479 big deal here this hold on, let's cling it out. 1:11:09.000 --> 1:11:11.759 I've never talked to you about this, and I wondered, 1:11:11.800 --> 1:11:15.200 whose idea wasn't to go Trump? Yeah, because they didn't 1:11:15.200 --> 1:11:17.680 make your bowls change their songs right. Well, you know 1:11:17.800 --> 1:11:19.680 they were big fans of mine, I guess, and they 1:11:19.800 --> 1:11:21.760 thought I was a rowdy guy. Like you said, this 1:11:21.880 --> 1:11:24.200 guy is a little bit wild and crazy. Um, you 1:11:24.280 --> 1:11:27.479 know what, looking back, to be frankly honest with you, 1:11:27.560 --> 1:11:30.880 looking back, probably wouldn't have done it. Um. You know, 1:11:30.920 --> 1:11:32.680 it's not my song. First of all, it's Tim mcgrawls song. 1:11:32.720 --> 1:11:36.519 And out of respect to Tim, um, it's a mcgrawl song. However, 1:11:37.120 --> 1:11:39.760 it is what it is. You do things along your 1:11:40.000 --> 1:11:42.360 along your career path. You just kind of shoot from 1:11:42.400 --> 1:11:44.000 the hip and you go with it and you do 1:11:44.280 --> 1:11:46.240 what the situation calls for when it calls for it. 1:11:46.960 --> 1:11:49.360 And I didn't want to get stopped, you know, I 1:11:49.520 --> 1:11:52.479 was in the moment just happened. They're commercial this out 1:11:52.600 --> 1:11:54.320 now where they were seeing I don't know who's singing it. 1:11:54.560 --> 1:11:57.160 I don't either. It's weird. There's something to the truck. Yeah, 1:11:57.160 --> 1:12:00.200 commercial for a tripper? Is it Dodge or it's uh 1:12:00.280 --> 1:12:03.280 forward and they're singing truck Yeah. Yeah, it's not you. 1:12:03.439 --> 1:12:06.080 It's not Tim, it's not low Cash, it's not low cash, 1:12:06.920 --> 1:12:09.400 but it's truck. Yeah. They come, they come to you 1:12:09.439 --> 1:12:11.519 and say we're gonna do a Ford commercial queen your song. 1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:14.320 They didn't. I was just as surprised as you were 1:12:14.320 --> 1:12:16.280 when it came on, and just as surprise as you 1:12:16.439 --> 1:12:19.439 just saw it on TV. Where to god, I saw 1:12:19.479 --> 1:12:23.120 it on TV. It's a long story, and I unfortunately 1:12:23.200 --> 1:12:26.360 can't get into all the details. Even though we're getting praised. Um, well, 1:12:26.400 --> 1:12:28.280 you know, we'll get residuals off of because we're sorry 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:30.200 that you get paid when you're a songwriter. Um. For 1:12:30.240 --> 1:12:32.160 those who don't know, it's it is a job. I mean, 1:12:32.200 --> 1:12:33.680 it's you know, it's just like any other job, though 1:12:33.720 --> 1:12:36.240 you have to work really hard and hopefully you win. Um. 1:12:36.600 --> 1:12:41.080 But long story short, that didn't go all down as 1:12:41.120 --> 1:12:44.880 we all wanted it to collectively. However, again, some things 1:12:44.960 --> 1:12:47.800 just happen, and some things have to happen sporadically and 1:12:47.960 --> 1:12:51.439 very quick, and um, you know it's it's it just 1:12:51.640 --> 1:12:53.320 is what it is. The commercial is what it is. 1:12:53.439 --> 1:12:57.200 I would have preferred McGraw's version be out there again 1:12:57.320 --> 1:12:59.599 out of respect for my buddy, my friend Tim McGraw, 1:12:59.680 --> 1:13:01.920 who made a giant hit out of our song and 1:13:02.000 --> 1:13:04.880 gave us all a job as songwriters. So before we wrap, 1:13:04.960 --> 1:13:09.920 let's do a quick highlow of your career. Yes, hi, hi, 1:13:10.400 --> 1:13:13.439 not hello, the highest point of your career, just kidding, 1:13:14.120 --> 1:13:16.599 the highest point of my career, in your career, that's 1:13:16.640 --> 1:13:20.640 like the highlight for you here in that here and 1:13:20.680 --> 1:13:22.400 buy me about on the radio for the first time 1:13:22.840 --> 1:13:41.519 that morning. The low, the low, Um, I honestly the lower. 1:13:42.120 --> 1:13:43.519 I try not to pay attention too much to the 1:13:43.600 --> 1:13:45.400 low parts, but I guess, I guess if I had 1:13:45.439 --> 1:13:54.200 to pick one, when uh, when your record label just 1:13:54.240 --> 1:13:58.840 falls apart and you don't know what's gonna happen, I 1:13:58.880 --> 1:14:02.200 want to take you to another play in your personal life. 1:14:02.880 --> 1:14:08.040 Bring it you're high. My wife, well part of it, 1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:13.000 meeting her, marrying her, Um, everything, man, I really found 1:14:13.040 --> 1:14:17.479 true love and that's hard to find. I'm still one 1:14:17.520 --> 1:14:21.600 of the old time thinkers, I guess, classic thinkers. I 1:14:21.920 --> 1:14:23.519 still believe in real love and when you find it, 1:14:23.600 --> 1:14:25.639 you have to take care of it. And I really 1:14:25.680 --> 1:14:28.760 love my wife through I mean, I just love her 1:14:29.240 --> 1:14:36.840 the low the low in my personal life. UM, I 1:14:36.880 --> 1:14:45.760 would say probably any time before, any time before I 1:14:45.800 --> 1:14:49.519 give my heart to the Lord. When was When was 1:14:49.600 --> 1:14:53.800 that a two thousand and one? That's the day it 1:14:53.800 --> 1:14:57.560 became saved? Day became a Christian? Where were you Shelbyville, 1:14:57.600 --> 1:15:01.679 Tennessee First Baptist Church. Did you have a plan You're 1:15:01.680 --> 1:15:05.400 gonna raise your hand? Nope? Actually I said, I'm absolutely 1:15:05.600 --> 1:15:09.280 not doing that. I was at a Ken Freeman revival. 1:15:10.240 --> 1:15:14.080 Ken Freeman is a great um motivational speaker and pastor 1:15:14.360 --> 1:15:16.680 and evangelist. UM at least he was. I don't know 1:15:16.760 --> 1:15:20.479 what he's doing now, but never forget it. He uh 1:15:22.320 --> 1:15:24.720 was talking and it just hit me at my heart, 1:15:25.000 --> 1:15:28.120 and there I went, and I was the only person 1:15:28.200 --> 1:15:31.400 who went to the altar. So he walked up as 1:15:31.439 --> 1:15:36.600 you're walking freaking out, hearts racing, hearts, unbelievably racing. And 1:15:37.880 --> 1:15:41.200 I at that point had never been told about the 1:15:41.280 --> 1:15:45.840 word or at least in a way that I felt 1:15:45.920 --> 1:15:51.000 comfortable with it. That makes sense, And so I went 1:15:51.120 --> 1:15:54.760 up there by myself and that was it. Just just 1:15:54.920 --> 1:15:59.000 like that. I appreciate the talk. Man, It's been good, dude. 1:15:59.040 --> 1:16:02.639 This has been my honor. And I hope everybody listening 1:16:02.680 --> 1:16:05.280 downloads the crap out of hold in her thank you, 1:16:05.560 --> 1:16:07.519 and I hope and I say it not just to 1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:09.519 your face. I say it when you're not around, I tweeted, 1:16:09.600 --> 1:16:11.360 I say it to anybody will listen. Like I think 1:16:11.439 --> 1:16:14.560 propelling you're the best live performer I've ever seen. Thank you? 1:16:14.920 --> 1:16:17.519 Is it unfair to compare you and people with a 1:16:17.600 --> 1:16:20.560 huge pirate. Yet if you put two guys up on 1:16:20.680 --> 1:16:22.960 stage and you just say perform, I don't know it's 1:16:22.960 --> 1:16:25.240 better than you. Thank you very much. And I'm not 1:16:25.320 --> 1:16:26.840 saying that. I don't you've ever told the bails down 1:16:26.880 --> 1:16:28.599 in this podcast, because it would be alive. I did 1:16:28.720 --> 1:16:31.200 go check the day of everybody. But if you get 1:16:31.240 --> 1:16:33.439 a chance to see Chris out, go see him like 1:16:33.560 --> 1:16:36.200 he if he's playing with an accoustic guitar, he's got 1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:38.040 a full band. Whatever. I do think you are the 1:16:38.200 --> 1:16:40.280 but and I think it comes from having a grind 1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:45.080 for so long like you. You just didn't grow up 1:16:45.160 --> 1:16:47.040 with those skills put on too you. You worked for 1:16:47.080 --> 1:16:49.880 those skills because you can get to hustle. Still grinding, baby, 1:16:50.000 --> 1:16:52.760 and you're still hustling. You gotta always hustle, man. The 1:16:52.840 --> 1:16:57.439 minute you quit hustling, you lost. Chris Jansen download Holding 1:16:57.520 --> 1:17:01.880 Her or if you're listening to this any year whatever 1:17:02.000 --> 1:17:03.360 his song is now on the radio, don't let that 1:17:03.400 --> 1:17:05.280 one yea, I love it. If you're heard this year 1:17:05.320 --> 1:17:06.960 from now his new single that just came out, I 1:17:07.040 --> 1:17:09.439 love that one too. On it it's amazing. I trust me. 1:17:11.040 --> 1:17:14.080 These things last a long time. So yeah, whatever a 1:17:14.160 --> 1:17:16.200 song is, that's my favorite song on the radio, whatever 1:17:16.280 --> 1:17:19.080 it is right now, I love that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, alright, Chris, 1:17:19.160 --> 1:17:22.759 Thanks buddy. My point episode is this. Thanks for listening 1:17:23.439 --> 1:17:27.960 to Episode twenties six of the Bobby Cast. Download the record, 1:17:28.120 --> 1:17:32.200 buy me about, check out all those songs, and thanks 1:17:32.240 --> 1:17:35.320 for us songs behind the songs. Thank you for using 1:17:35.439 --> 1:17:39.920 the artists that you aren't that you wrote for. Who's 1:17:39.960 --> 1:17:42.400 the guy behind the guy? Who's the big winner tonight? Mike, 1:17:42.479 --> 1:17:47.080 He's the big winner? That's who Mike? Follow him on 1:17:47.360 --> 1:17:49.720 Snapchatt he's our wonderful producer. Anything to ask before we go, 1:17:49.760 --> 1:17:51.200 You always have a great question or two. Anything you 1:17:51.520 --> 1:17:53.040 said you're back on the do how many of you 1:17:53.200 --> 1:17:56.080 drinking mountain dew? Mountain dew one and a half today? 1:17:56.800 --> 1:17:58.560 Not so, I'm not really back on it. You're the 1:17:58.640 --> 1:18:02.160 worst in mountain due time. Were you drinking? Oh, easily 1:18:02.280 --> 1:18:05.439 close to two twelve packs a day? Yeah, I have 1:18:05.520 --> 1:18:07.040 to drink it three later a day, and I would 1:18:07.080 --> 1:18:09.479 work out and drink it three. Yeah, I'll be like, 1:18:09.560 --> 1:18:11.920 oh feel good, let me have you. Let's get another one? 1:18:12.040 --> 1:18:15.560 All right? All right, thank you guys. We'll see you 1:18:15.640 --> 1:18:16.760 next time here on the Bobby Cast.