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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode twenty six to the Bobby Cast,

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Speaker 1: and the big big recliner next to me is Chris Jansen. Chris,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good, brother, Thank you very much. I love

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Speaker 1: your intro music. By the way, Yeah, I don't even

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Speaker 1: know where this came from, Mike, do you It's just

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Speaker 1: his game show music. I thought you stole it from

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Speaker 1: Wayne Newton. It sounds good. It's not unusual. I was

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Speaker 1: in Vegas this last weekend and we ran into your boys,

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Speaker 1: low Cash because they played the same stage the night before, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in the National Finals rodeo, and they were playing I

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Speaker 1: think six of like eight nights, all in different places,

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Speaker 1: and so I saw I saw Preston walking around because

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Speaker 1: I mean they were playing every night in Vegas there

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Speaker 1: every single They're like everywhere all the time, man, and

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Speaker 1: they play inn far every year, and You're exactly right.

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Speaker 1: They play like they look a seven day residency in

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Speaker 1: different places. It is just wild. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: they keep up with it, those guys, and Preston came

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Speaker 1: because we had pressed it up well like four five

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Speaker 1: cents ago, maybe more than that. I talked about you,

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Speaker 1: but you guys are close. He's one of my best friends.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said. He said, he said, as far

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Speaker 1: as like Nashville goes, like, you guys have been friends

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Speaker 1: for like close friends, real buddies. We came up together,

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Speaker 1: and there's a difference in real buddies and work friends

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Speaker 1: that you get along with and work well with, and

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Speaker 1: then just the acquaintances and acquaint the people you don't

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Speaker 1: like to you know whatever, but you're you're like real friends. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're real friends. The weird thing about the Preston when

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Speaker 1: and Preston and I had only ever spent time together

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Speaker 1: either doing the radio show or we'd we'd be on

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Speaker 1: the road and play We played that thing four shows together,

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Speaker 1: the Raging Idiots, and we get to hang out there,

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Speaker 1: but we never get to hang out like a real

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Speaker 1: human setting. So we just said at the house and

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Speaker 1: talked for like forty five minutes after after this year,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, dang, like I really I used

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Speaker 1: he has a long story dude, Like he's a he's

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Speaker 1: got a lot of wisdom. There's his stories and their story.

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Speaker 1: Because we sat in here and do the same thing.

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Speaker 1: And they've and have been through it all, but you

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Speaker 1: start with today and we'll just kind of work our

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Speaker 1: way around your song on the radio right now. Is

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Speaker 1: holding her here? It's so the first time I heard

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Speaker 1: the song was on Buy Me About the Record, and

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Speaker 1: I thought it's a good song. It's a good but

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Speaker 1: I wasn't moved by yet. Now smash cut three weeks later,

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Speaker 1: maybe around the time I was watching it something called

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Speaker 1: New Faces in Nashville this last year, and you played

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Speaker 1: of just popped through every track. When you get it,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, that is such

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Speaker 1: I was like, if that's not the next song you

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Speaker 1: I look today, holding Her is now twenty five and

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Speaker 1: a second. Well, first of all, thank you for the

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Speaker 1: you know my my backstory, my wife and I met

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Speaker 1: um It's just an incredible blessing to me. Man. And

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Speaker 1: you know, there's one thing to be said about songs

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Speaker 1: about that for a second in case people don't know, Uh,

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Speaker 1: why does this song mean so much to you? You know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's the truest out of all the songs I've

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Speaker 1: And when I wrote this song, James Otto and I

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Speaker 1: that song is the oldest song on the Buying Me

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Speaker 1: which is this one, My girl How Always Be? That's

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Speaker 1: Was it after the record came out? Was this one

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Speaker 1: having me yet this evening. Thanks for having me probably, Hey, Mike,

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Speaker 1: You can thank my wife. You can thank my wife.

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Speaker 1: a great idea because I don't know what to you know,

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Speaker 1: of many taste, very peculiar peculiar taste, just as I am.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you liked it. However, thank you for having me,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for these questions because I rarely, I

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Speaker 1: like into the hippie crowd and the cool crowd, and

426
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,440
Speaker 1: you know the maybe the um the misled youth crowd

427
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,679
Speaker 1: who listens to punk rock all the time. And I

428
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,399
Speaker 1: got way into that kind of stuff. And Um, I

429
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 1: started meeting buddies who thought like me, who thought outside

430
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 1: the box. He grew up in a small town and

431
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 1: wanted to get out of it and and um found

432
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 1: outlets in music, and so we all just started skating

433
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 1: together and we built like a local skate park in

434
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 1: in Felts Park in town. And man, we we started

435
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 1: getting our instruments from Shivelbin's Music, which was a town

436
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 1: thirty five miles away in Cape Girardo. Was a little

437
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 1: music store there and m dude, we we just got

438
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 1: the cheapest of the cheap guitars and started playing. And

439
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 1: me and my buddy Kurt Brewer and um uh Anthony

440
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 1: Lawnchius and all these kids. Man, we just got together

441
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 1: from all different grades, middle school and high school and

442
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 1: started playing music and we play anything anybody wanted to hear.

443
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: What were you in that band that was the drummer? Wow? Yeah,

444
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 1: so you picked up a guitar, then you were the

445
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 1: drummer in the band. Yeah. I was like the drummer

446
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: one week, and then like if if we needed a

447
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 1: bass player, I would be like bass player. I mean,

448
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 1: he's whatever. I mean, we all kind of alternated, however. Um,

449
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,199
Speaker 1: you know, my first instrument is drums. I learned that

450
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 1: very first, and then the guitar came like the week after.

451
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you that. But I'm a drummer first,

452
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,919
Speaker 1: and I'm still a drummer. I play drums every night

453
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 1: actively in my live concerts, And um, I am the

454
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 1: kind of person that I'm gonna try it really quick,

455
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 1: and if i can't get it really quick, I'm done.

456
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna move on to something else. I'm still

457
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 1: that way. Your small why both of us are Yeah,

458
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 1: we know, we're very like, we need it. We gotta

459
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,439
Speaker 1: figure Okay, don't we have the same birthday? Yeah, so,

460
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 1: I mean it's a lot of similarity. We addictive personalities,

461
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: but exactly exactly. I'm back on the dude, by the way,

462
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 1: So no, man, so like, I wanted to play the

463
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 1: drums right, let me just tell you. So I learned

464
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 1: to play them. I learned to play him in school

465
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, cool. Then I got the

466
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 1: stratocaster guitar. I learned to put George the satellites is like,

467
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: I got that. So I got a basic car. I'm like,

468
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: well that's pretty easy, the same thing. And I got

469
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 1: on piano and I love Jarreley Lewis. I'm like, and

470
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: I figured that out, Okay. I taught myself and m dude,

471
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: I just started hop skipping around and then you meet

472
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 1: the right kids. And it was usually kids who were

473
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: like unpopular, kids who nobody wanted to hang out with.

474
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: Kids were like green hair and weird ear rings. And

475
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean I grew up in a pretty like Frankly,

476
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: a pretty redneck, you know, white trash, blue collar town

477
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 1: man like you just if you're not a farmer, you're

478
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 1: not cool, you know that kind of thing. Like everybody

479
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 1: hangs out the m f A and city tavern downtown

480
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 1: and that's just the way it is. And if you

481
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 1: don't play football, you're a punk and that kind of deal.

482
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: And I was definitely kind of right in the middle.

483
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 1: So you're playing music. Did you graduate high school? I did?

484
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: I graduated with honors man. I graduated, Um actually got

485
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: I was actually offered to graduate my junior year. Um,

486
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: I know, you got a schull. I'm gonna leading to

487
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: the scholarship with with college credits and stuff. But I

488
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: chose to stay in school because my senior year they

489
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 1: offered a work program where it could actually make some

490
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of cash and and go to work

491
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 1: and try something that I thought maybe I would want

492
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: to do for a living. Because when you're a kid,

493
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: you don't think you honestly, where I come from, you

494
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 1: don't really think that, oh my god, I can be

495
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: a music singing star or anything for that matter. I

496
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: can't even have a job doing this. You know, you

497
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 1: know why. And we come from a similar background. You

498
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: don't think that's not guess people tell us we can't,

499
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: but no one tells us we can because nobody else

500
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: does around because that you're precisely right, like, nobody tells

501
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: you can't, but no one tells you can because no

502
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: one else is doing. And we come from and you

503
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: know what, it's okay because now as an adult, I

504
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: come to appreciate it. And actually, you know, some things

505
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: you kind of missed sometimes weird. But I grew up

506
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: in such a inside the box kind of mindset I'm

507
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: sort of cursed with. I'm still still that way a

508
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: little bit. There's things you never grow out of. But

509
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: I grew up so much around that that it was

510
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: just kind of unreachable. You know. You know when you

511
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: say that, it resonates with me because I speak at times,

512
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: and i'll speak at graduations or i'll speak to youth,

513
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: and and I'll say that a lot, because I'll talk

514
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: to kids who grew up like I did, and I'll say,

515
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, these big dreams, no one tells you you

516
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: really can't do them because they don't seem real. No

517
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 1: one tells you you can't grow ten feet tall, right

518
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: because everybody knows you're not gonna do it anyway, but

519
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: no one. So I would say, listen, this is what

520
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: I've done. No one told me I couldn't, but really,

521
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: no one told me I can. And so I'll talk

522
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: to the and say tell them they can, you know,

523
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: but they I mean, look at you. Look at you.

524
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: You're a prime example of nobody telling you you can

525
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: but you just went and did Yeah, I I know

526
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: one other kid who did it in my hometown. Man,

527
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: it was the one kid that I consistently stayed in

528
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: bands with. It was also the one kid that I

529
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 1: consistently stayed in bands and budded heads with because we

530
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: were both a personalities which now we we even still

531
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: keep in touch via email and phone. Actually two of

532
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: my friend can't forget the other one one move to one.

533
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: One stayed in the States and went on having a

534
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: great career playing drums for the Aavoite Brothers and Bob

535
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: Dylan and lots of people. Okay, his nam Jacob Edwards.

536
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: His dad was our band His dad was our choir teacher.

537
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,719
Speaker 1: We had choir teacher and a band teacher in high school.

538
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: My music teacher band teacher flunked me and did not

539
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: like me at all and treated me very badly as

540
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: a kid, very bad. I think that for many years.

541
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't mean this to sound cocky whatsoever, but I

542
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: was a natural music and people like him aren't. They

543
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: are theoretical. They have to read. They like to cocky.

544
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: For you to say you're a natural at music, you're

545
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: a freaking number one song right but you know what

546
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean. But but I don't. I don't mean it pretentious.

547
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: It's not, but nothing about it pious, thank you. But

548
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: but for people who you know, don't know me, I'd

549
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: like to let him know I don't mean that pretentious.

550
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: But but Mr Fisher was not nice to me. He

551
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: was just not He just wasn't nice to me. He

552
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: did and that's a sad thing. In school, man, a

553
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: lot of teachers, you know, they probably got picked on

554
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: at one point. They're really you know, he's a very

555
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: smart guy. However may be a little bit smarter. I

556
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: don't know. But the thing is is I flunked that,

557
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: but I got an a in chorus which I didn't

558
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 1: want to take, and it was Mr Edwards. His son,

559
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: Jacob is the one I was in the band with. Man.

560
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: He was a free spirit. He was just about just

561
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 1: do what you want to do and and we're just

562
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: gonna praise your art no matter how bad or good

563
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: it is, doesn't matter. And believe me, we're pretty bad, okay.

564
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: And um Jacob was one of the kids who who

565
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: came out of school and did something with his life

566
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: as far as music and became very successful. And I

567
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: think lives in East Nashville now. And another one of

568
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: my friends who grew up two towns away, and he

569
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: grew up in an even smaller, like, very Catholic community

570
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: where you were very frowned upon if you did any

571
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: kind of music or rock and roll or anything of

572
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: that nature, uh Ian Fisher. And now he's a very

573
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: critically acclaimed singer songwriter in in Europe and and lives

574
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: in Germany and just in his awesome that's what he does.

575
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: He travels around Europe and place shows and just a

576
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: pretty amazing thing. Man. I feel very blessed to have

577
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: the opportunities that I've had. And when you mentioned number

578
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: one songwriter and singer and these things, it still doesn't

579
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: register for me because again, and you know this coming

580
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 1: from where we come from, your great successes with your

581
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: career as well, it's just sort of unfathomable. And even

582
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: even now in my hometown, I only have about five

583
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: friends who even recognize what I do for a living,

584
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: or they just don't even you know what I mean,

585
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: It just doesn't It's just a it's a two way

586
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: road and it's very disconnected. So you're in the town

587
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: and now you had an interest in animals like veterinary

588
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: I did. Now I got the interest from animals and

589
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: veterinarian because I told you earlier I was. I rode

590
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: a lot of horses as a kid. I did horse showing,

591
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: a whole bunch actually a lot of Middle Tennessee, which

592
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: is a whole other avenue to talk about. But long

593
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: story short. When you get older and you get about seventeen,

594
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: and you know you're pretty poor kid growing up, you

595
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: gotta have a job. I have. I've had jobs since

596
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: I was a young man. My dad said, I don't

597
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: ever want to have to make you work. You know,

598
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: you work when you get older. But I always had

599
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: a job because I never like anybody telling me what

600
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: I could do with my money, and I don't like

601
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: asking for money. Is I'd rather make it myself, whether

602
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: it's if it's two bucks. I got two bucks and

603
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: not in that asked for Veterinarian work came pretty easy.

604
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: There was a guy that played softball with my dad

605
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: on the little softball leagues there and and um doc

606
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 1: and and Doc Freeman, and he always said, man, if

607
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: you ever want to make some extra bank once you

608
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: just come over and work for me, you know, And

609
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: just do whatever. He's a he's a the only like

610
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: the town, the town main, the main guy, the guy,

611
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: there's always the whatever. Where we come from, there's one.

612
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: There's one person that does everything because we can't handle

613
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: too We didn't mean we couldn't have to gas stations

614
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have to, man, Okay, it's like you

615
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They're both gonna run from mayor

616
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: to just go bigger anyway. So Doc Freeman offered that.

617
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: And so in my school too, even though small town,

618
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: they had a vocational program because against so many kids

619
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: grew up in the agricultural business and that kind of thing.

620
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: And traditionally you either go to the military, you become

621
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: a farmer pretty much it, or you work at Walmart.

622
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: It's one of three things. And um, my senior year,

623
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: I'd already gotten all my credits out of the way,

624
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: so I thought, cool, I'm gonna take a vocational class

625
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna take him up on it. So I

626
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: want to work at a vet clinic. And I've darned

627
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: near almost became a veterinarian. Like I was pretty serious

628
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: about it, and the fact like I was pulling scholarships

629
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: to almost go to do it, and uh, I just

630
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: kept you from it. I never had it in my heart. Man,

631
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: I was just doing it too to make some money,

632
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: and I knew that it would probably pay good at

633
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: some point. You know, if you become a doctor or

634
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: a um, obviously it pays okay, Um, dude, I played music.

635
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: I've always played music, no matter what I mean. On

636
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: the weekends, I was playing on hay wagons in in

637
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: on eighty Acres down and on the East End, and

638
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: for you know, um, just a bunch of beer drinking

639
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: hank junior songs and skinnered covers and those kind of things,

640
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: and I just had music in my heart. I've never

641
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: written a song at that point, but I loved playing

642
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: and whatever band I was in at the time. So

643
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: when he got right down to it, about a week

644
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: before I was going to go off to college, I decided, well,

645
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that, So I'm just gonna go

646
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: to the closest place that has music. And I wanted

647
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: to get away from you know, you always want to

648
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: get away from where you come from, and then when

649
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: you get out, you want to have some of that back,

650
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: which is interesting because I'd love I love small town lifestyles.

651
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: My wife from a small town. I you know, I

652
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: love it, um, but Nashville was the closest. So I

653
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: packed up on I decided on a Thursday and packed

654
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: up on Thursday afternoon and I moved came back. So

655
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: you moved to Nashville. You're out old, I was. I

656
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: just turned nineteen. So you move here at nineteen? And

657
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: where do you move? I'm moving a two door Monty

658
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: Carlo that you can um the folks can see. You

659
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: know that that we talked about that country radio seminar

660
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: show that I did. We did the video for it

661
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: and I put the Green Money Carlo my video like

662
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: kind of a lifestyle. Lived in the car. I lived

663
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: in the back seat of a car with the back

664
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: seats would fold down, you know in those cars. They

665
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: don't make cars like that anymore. It's really cool thing

666
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: because it's not safe. Because I'm glad they don't make

667
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: list they made sense back then there was more room,

668
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: but we used to stand in the seats. I have

669
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: written on so many consoles of bills with my head

670
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: sticking out the old school sun roof. You know what

671
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. We'd run the back of the truck,

672
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: like you can't all that's gone, dude, lay in the

673
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: ever lay in the back of the ever lay to

674
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: get to get warm in the back window of like

675
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: a cutlass. Yes, and on the on the like the

676
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: reverse console because that's where the heat comes that when

677
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: the window comes down in that spot. Yeah. Do you

678
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: ever travel like nine hours on a camper shell on

679
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: the back of the truck because with blankets? Yeah, yeah,

680
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: that was a road trip. It was. You get the

681
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: truck and they're like five of us getting the campers

682
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: shell in the back of the trump with blankets with

683
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: a grandpa who's like um, kind of mean and and

684
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: only makes sweet hands to ham sandwiches and will not

685
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: pull over at Cracker Borough. I mean, I'm saying that

686
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: in a very nice way. By the way, same moved

687
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: in Nashville. You're living in your car. I'm living in

688
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: the Tudor Monty Carlo. How do you find a play

689
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: the park? I mean, like, what do you park to live? Okay,

690
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: here's a good one for you. So I pulled downtown

691
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: and I pulled what's now Hockey Tounk Central on Lower

692
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: Broadway in Nashville used to be Shawnicky as Irish Pub,

693
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: which was before my time here. I pulled into the

694
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: parking lot back there, and this is still when Lower

695
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: Broadway is kind of like undeveloped. It's you know, it's

696
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: still kind of dangerous at night, that kind of thing.

697
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: And um, so those listening. Lower Broadway is the main

698
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: like tourists place in Nashville work. All the cars are

699
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: where people come and they go to see all the

700
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: music and where a lot of people go frankly to

701
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: to try and quote make it, you know, and so

702
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: um it's just the bright lights and big city kind

703
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: of thing. So I pulled there. I got a boot

704
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: on my car the first night because I had never

705
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: paid a meter. I have never paid a machine to

706
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: get a take them out. And no, I mean, who

707
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: would know coming from I wrote it, boy that in

708
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: my book that I was like, when I moved to

709
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: Lot Rock and need to pay for parking, I was

710
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,239
Speaker 1: blown away. You had to pay to put your car.

711
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: It was a shot. It was a shock that I

712
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: had to pay to put my car somewhere. Believe me,

713
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: I know, I got a boot the first night. So

714
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, this is awesome. So but anyway, dude,

715
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sleeping in the fold down so half in

716
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: the trunk, half in the car kind of thing. And uh,

717
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: I literally moved to her quintessential story with the back

718
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: a physical backpack full of CDs homemade you know, just

719
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: basically what you would call now garage band demos, UM

720
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: that were really made in a garage on a two

721
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: track dub recorder and UM transferred over to CD with

722
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: a sticky on top, you know. And so I came there,

723
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: and I was just basically busting up down Lower Broadway

724
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: with a guitar case totally Averacrombie to out Berkenstocks, the

725
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: whole deal, and UM, asking for gigs. And I'll never

726
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: forget I walked into I walked into Twitsias, like at

727
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: ten o'clock in the morning, and UM, the bartender was like.

728
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm here for a gig. I

729
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: thought they were going to hand him out. Like I

730
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: could go to my hometown somewhere and just find a

731
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: gig at a local pub or restaurant, you know which

732
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: would you could do pretty easy? And UM, I'll never

733
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: forget this bartender named Susan, I'll never forget it. She

734
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: look me around the eyes laughed in my face, and

735
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: because easy to get the hell out of here. You're

736
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: never gonna make it here ever, never gonna make it.

737
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: Just get out of here because of how you look.

738
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: I think because of how I looked. I was so young.

739
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: I mean, and believe me, a nineteen, I looked like

740
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: I was twelve. So it was like you put two

741
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: and two together. It was a weird thing. So I left,

742
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: and I'm going up down the street and I'm asking

743
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: toga on stage, and nobody let me on stage. Did

744
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: you ever play on the street? No, I was. I

745
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: just never wanted to go there. Man, I never wanted

746
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: to go there. I I just figured this, if I

747
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: if I'm not good enough to get into the bar,

748
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: if I can't get in there to sing, which at

749
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: that point to me was like, holy cow, I'm making it.

750
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: You're singing in Nashville. I mean, people are in Nashville

751
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: watching I'm famous, like it's happening. It's like that's the feeling.

752
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: You get your right. So I go back that night

753
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: and I finally get I begged doorman to get me

754
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: on stage. It puts me on stage was so nice.

755
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: It was like midnight, puts me on stage, and do

756
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: you wanna hear something crazy if I moved here? CRS week.

757
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: So CRS is when all country radio comes to town

758
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: and the artists are in town and there every labels.

759
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a really busy radio e we Yeah.

760
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: So when a long story short, he puts me on stage.

761
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: I played fulsome Prison Johnny Cash and I started the

762
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: song out, and of course the band I was wondering

763
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: where they were looking at me and rolling their eyes. Gun,

764
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, because they've already played it twenty times

765
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: that day, starting at ten o'clock in the morning. It's

766
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: about midnight, it's two hours left play the song. Crowd

767
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: goes wild, the owners from the bar, dude leaves over

768
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: the countercats, can you finish two more hours? I said,

769
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: that night right then I said yes I can. So

770
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: he looks at the other dude I swear to this

771
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: is swear to God, looks at the other dude who

772
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: was singing. I just let me up on stage. He goes,

773
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: you're fired, go ahead, and I was like, okay. So

774
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: I played two more hours worth of just anything I

775
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: could think of. Hank Williams, you just called him out

776
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: to the BANDELM. I mean literally just start songs and

777
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: they would just do it, you know. And so that

778
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: was my intro to Nashville. And I got done about

779
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: two thirty in the morning. The next morning, I had

780
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: a gig. They asked me right back, I done, said,

781
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: can you be here in the morning to play? You

782
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: want a gig? You want to gig? I said, yeah,

783
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: ten o'clock in the morning. I said, ten o'clock. Who

784
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: plays at ten o'clock in the morning. I mean, what

785
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: are you talking about. Well, there's like They're like, well

786
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: that's what time the hockey talks open down here and

787
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: if you want a gig, yes or no? I said absolutely.

788
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: So I came in, I played acoustic, and then I

789
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: got done with that one. It was a four hour show.

790
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: I got done with that one. Same thing. Dude was like,

791
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: hey man, we had a two o'clock, actually cancel you

792
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: want to play the two to six? Go put a

793
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: band together. So I go on that. By the way,

794
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: my car is still booted sitting in the parking lot. Okay,

795
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: never moved. I never really left. Okay, And plus I

796
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with the boot And plus

797
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a gig and he's just trying

798
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: to make it go put a band together. I had

799
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes, so I just started gathering people off

800
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: the street, just people walking down with amps and guitars, asking, Hey,

801
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: what do you play? I there's so many musicians down

802
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: there anyway, still are I mean, there's you go down

803
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: there right now in Nashville. There'll be fifty guys walking

804
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: into different bars and coming out of bars with pedal

805
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: carts full of nice instruments and things. Okay, drums or whatever.

806
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: So I put a little band together and I played

807
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: the two to six, same thing for the six to

808
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: ten they go once you go to the back room

809
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: with tood season and played the sixth ton. Okay, fine,

810
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: Now keep in mind I started at ten o'clock that morning,

811
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: so then I played the six to ten, and then

812
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: I got the ten to two that night. So I

813
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: played sixteen hours in one day and never left the bar.

814
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: And I did that continuously for three sixty four more

815
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: days and until I got discovered for the first time.

816
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: So he played a whole year. Yeah, I did sixteen

817
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: hours a day. Now, what did you finally get a

818
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: roof though? Okay, so I got a roof? Um, I

819
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: was crashing in the car man for pretty good a

820
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: little bit there, and and of course what's a little

821
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: bit three or four weeks and you know, almost a

822
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: solid month living in your car. Yeah, but you know

823
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: you meet people too, and you know I'm talking about

824
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: from bar backs, you know, just some nice dude slinging

825
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: slinging cases of beer or doormantor just whoever. H Tyler

826
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: farr Um, the the guy who owned the bar's son,

827
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, who was a college kid at the time,

828
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, and you you know, you gotta have showers

829
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: and stuff, of course, So I mean you crash the

830
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: couch to or three times a week, maybe here and there,

831
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: but most of the time, I mean I'm living very

832
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: much living out of the car. And then about a

833
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: month into it, I was able to, you know, get

834
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: my own apartment, which I shared with uh a doorman actually,

835
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: the guy who first put me up on stage. Um

836
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: Tyler farr was also crashing couches and doing that kind

837
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: of thing and kind of jumping from apartment department, so

838
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: he would sleep at our place a lot than um.

839
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: You know, pay a little rent every now and again,

840
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and just you just make it

841
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: and I My first place was over in Antioch. Did

842
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: you ever I'm wondering if it's you. Did you ever

843
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: sleep on the lower level on the floor of Eric

844
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: Passley's wife's house. Was it that Jansen? Who wasn't the

845
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 1: staying in past? It? Yeah, it was Natalie, but it wasn't.

846
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't Jansen, not this guy. Maybe it was still

847
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: it was one of the stow man because there are

848
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys you just hused to migrate around.

849
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: Oh dude, I lived in Antioch over off of Levin

850
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: And Road, and um, right on the back of the

851
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: roilroad tracks. Pretty shady, pretty shady. Appreciate you set. I'm

852
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, you know what shady means. Though, uh yeah,

853
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: it was pretty awesome. But I was like, there's a

854
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: lot of money and you know that kind of thing.

855
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: But hey, you know the deal is, man, you just

856
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: do what you can. And and before I moved to Nashville, Um,

857
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: I saved every penny I could to mowing lawns, selling snowcune,

858
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: a little snowcone business going on. That was a pretty

859
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,080
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860
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: the other and gigs and that kind of thing. And

861
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm not talking like big money. I'm talking like maybe

862
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: twenty five bucks a show kind of deal, or you know,

863
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: twenty bucks a night on snowcones. But I moved here

864
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: with a little bit of cash in my pocket and

865
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,680
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866
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,040
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867
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886
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Speaker 1: All right, So you played a totees for how long

887
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: a year? So it's solid here to when you say

888
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: being you you were discovered? Who who saw you? And

889
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 1: and what did they discover you for? So I would

890
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: say about three quarters the way through the year. Um,

891
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: First of all, I was packing it out like like

892
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: like they say, nobody else ever has was the fire

893
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: marshal shut us down all through the year, all the

894
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: time when I would play that kind of thing. And

895
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: and it's you know, certain times more than others. But um,

896
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: music business is what I mean by being discovered. People

897
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: from the industry, you know, A and R executives, label presidents, publishers,

898
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: booking agents, those kind of things. Um, My first real

899
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: break came from a movie director named Jonathan Demi, who,

900
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: um you know, did hard of Gold for Neil Young

901
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: and UM stopped making sense. I think he just did

902
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: the timber Lake thing too. Um, But anyway, he came in.

903
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: It was spot checking the rhyman until he's just kind

904
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: of downtown, just Nashville as a total vibe for the

905
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: Heart of Gold documentary on Neil Young and saw me

906
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: playing and um and was like, Okay, I think you

907
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: might be great for this documentary, you know, and wanted

908
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: to cast me in it. And that was kind of

909
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: my intro to um a little bit of success and

910
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: maybe perhaps my first paycheck, which ended up being my

911
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: first paycheck. Neil Young caught his attention and they put

912
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: me in the documentary a small part, but a part nonetheless.

913
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: And after that that really, you know, really sparked a

914
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: lot of talk because I was just some kid in

915
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: Laura Broadway and not at the time nineteen my first year. Yeah,

916
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: and um, not to mention. Then you know, then everybody

917
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: started flooding in from the industry. It wasn't just fans

918
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: and things like that. They were coming amongst the fans

919
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about um, just anybody who's anybody man,

920
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: And so you have been scotted by the whole town yeah,

921
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know it though I would had no clue.

922
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: I had no I would. I would have no problem

923
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: sending a tip jar around to whoever it might have

924
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: been at the time. So you say you didn't get

925
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: a paid chake, you were getting paid in tips, tips

926
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: only only tips, And so you'd play. If someone gave

927
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: you a twenty, that was a big one. Huge. You

928
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: play whatever they want? Do you play anything for I

929
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: played something for a dollar. Gives you a twenty? They

930
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: jumped the line. It's a big deal. May I give

931
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: you a hundred? Dude? People used to flood my I

932
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: mean we made likes one night, one night, okay, So

933
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: how do you split that up? If you're the main guy,

934
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: and you're really the main guy coming to watch the

935
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: base although he is doing his work, I'm the dude, right, okay,

936
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: or whoever, for that matter, is the dude or the chick. Okay.

937
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: When it's lower Broadway style, bro, it's mono, I mono.

938
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: It is. Every man is equal, no matter what. That's

939
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: just how they look at it down there, and it's

940
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: just it's just the way it is. So when you're

941
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: tip jarring it, you just split it. You know, if

942
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: there's four people there, so you made night? Was there

943
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: a super corporate vendor something to happen at night? Like? No, No,

944
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: do an you think special about who it was? Did

945
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: it know? I just used to hustle, man, I used

946
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: to hustle. I still hustle. I am a hustler. Like

947
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: I know that sounds so good over I am like,

948
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: I am a hustler, dude. I don't come from anything.

949
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: I come from like I come from parents who worked

950
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: really hard and and did o care for themselves. But um,

951
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things, man, I just never

952
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: forget being told one time, son, I don't have it

953
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: to give to you. And I said, from that moment on,

954
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: I will never live like this. I just I won't.

955
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: And that's not meaning I'm not meaning dirt floor is

956
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: a poor by any means. I'm just saying not extra

957
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: to go around. And uh, I just said right then,

958
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna live this way. I'm gonna hustle

959
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: and do whatever I have to do to make money.

960
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: And when you're playing out of a tip jar, you

961
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: damn sure have to hustle. You have to learn to

962
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: make it because, believe me, if you have five people

963
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: in there from ten o'clock in the morning to ten

964
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: o'clock at night. You know, any people, that is five people.

965
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: And then by the way, you got to give a

966
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: tips share to bartenders, tips shared a doorman and you're

967
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: not making much money, so you have to be good

968
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: number one. You have to know your repertoire. Number two,

969
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: and you have to be able to sing anything, and

970
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: I mean anything, because if you don't, they'll go right

971
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: next door to the next bar and find some other

972
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: guy who is as you're doing this and you're playing

973
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: tutsis for a year and listen, I waited tables for

974
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: a year, so I know. And it's definitely not the same.

975
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: But there's a culture, there's a night time there's a

976
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 1: nighttime culture, and it's a different lifestyle. Yes, Now, were

977
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: you ever caught up in that lifestyle with any of

978
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: the alcohol the drug use, because it's it's crazy. I

979
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: mean I watched I had to stay away from it

980
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: because I knew what I would do. I'd go right

981
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: into it and I would kill myself. Yeah, well, thanks

982
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: for asking. Um. I never had a drink until it's

983
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: twenty two and I've never done a drug in my

984
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: life ever. Not not ever once, never even smoked the pot.

985
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: The pot. That's funny we have because I haven't. We

986
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: have so much in comment. You know, God, it's okay.

987
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: And I haven't drinking eight years. I'm thirty now used

988
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: to two. So did you just drink for a minute?

989
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: I did, And that's how I see you doing, Like

990
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: I don't see you doing anything. Happened, no, no, no,

991
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: no no no. The last date we had. But by

992
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: the way, my wife and I still didate we're gonna

993
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: date tonight. Here's the thing before we're married. The last

994
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 1: day we had official one, I'm like sixteen long necks

995
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: in I mean, like, I go hard when I drink. Man,

996
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: it's like, if you're gonna drink, dude, get drunk. If not,

997
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: just what is the point? Okay, So I've never had

998
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: a drink and it's and it feels like it tastes

999
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: it smells like just piss. Oh God, I just hate Like,

1000
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: why would I drink if I didn't do? Just want

1001
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: to get hammered? Honestly, why would I? Honestly, dude, I

1002
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: never had a drink. I was twenty two. Do you

1003
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: believe that? Two? And when I did, I was like dude,

1004
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't let me get it so much. Stop. I

1005
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: stopped because I met the love of my life that

1006
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to be completely committed to, and um, she

1007
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: had kids. Did you do as I do and just

1008
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: go okay, have a stop right now? Full? But don

1009
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: don don't. I haven't had a drink since crazy. I'm

1010
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: thirty years old. Crazy done. I try. I I take

1011
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: that back, I'm not. I don't want to lie. I

1012
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: forgot this though. I did drink one time, one time

1013
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: in the last what is eight or nine years? Okay,

1014
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: what was the occasion. The occasion was I was opening

1015
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: up for Darryl Singletary in the middle of nowhere in

1016
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: upstate New York, and there was nothing else to do

1017
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: than just get hammered. And my wife was like, it's

1018
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: okay to have like a glass of wine. I'm like, no, no, no, no, Nona,

1019
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: just keep on straight now. She's like, no, that's cool,

1020
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: it's cool. And then my guitar player at the time,

1021
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: it's a great guy with a bad influence, he goes,

1022
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: I dare you to drink or try to out drink me,

1023
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's on, that's all I tasted.

1024
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: Dare with my feet right now. I did you ab

1025
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: my feet right now? Actually, I mean, if you're hurting

1026
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: man or whatever. I look, look, look, I'm comfortable moan skin.

1027
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: But here's the deal. But dudes, but I'm not that

1028
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: way anymore. But um, that's what I wrote. You know,

1029
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: we wrote better. I don't about stuff like that. But

1030
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: the long story short, man, I was getting so hammered.

1031
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: I mean I was so hammered, and I was like

1032
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: away from Kelly, I was playing horse shoes and corn

1033
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: hole in the back. And if you know, Darryl Seing

1034
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: was hery first of all, great guy and had had

1035
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: big hits, you know, and one of his songs was

1036
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: I ain't never had too much fun? And I was

1037
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: thinking these corn holes and I was like, you never

1038
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: had that much fun? Happy Darrel? Whoa? I mean, I

1039
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: was turned into like such a smarty pants. So it's

1040
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: a good thing that I don't drink, man. But other

1041
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: than that, I'm completely sober and I've never touched a drug. Man,

1042
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: I would. I'm just not that guy. I love cigars.

1043
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: I smoked cigars all the time. I had two cigars

1044
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: for it before we got on this podcast. But I

1045
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: just I don't. I don't smoke cigarettes. I'm allergic to him. Actually, um,

1046
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: whatever is in a cigarette, I'm allergic to. Not a cigar,

1047
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: though I can smoke them all day and fine, I

1048
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: guess because you don't inhale them. But I've never never

1049
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: touched a drug. You don't help. I don't know about siguard.

1050
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: You don't have a health cigars? Well, I mean, I

1051
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: guess some people do with the real hardcore, but I

1052
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: mean that's that's that's not the thing was I just

1053
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: thought it was a bigger I what do I know

1054
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: about cigars? That was like a bigger cigarette? No, No,

1055
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: I think it's just for me. I mean, from what

1056
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: I know and the people I know who've smoked them,

1057
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: it's just kind of a conversation piece and you just

1058
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: kind of puff on them a little bit and enjoyed

1059
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: the aroma. And that's kind of what I That's the

1060
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: only thing I do with them, dude, youth a cigar, right,

1061
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: I haven't eye that. Yeah, I thought they were just

1062
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: like big what do I I don't know anybody. Do

1063
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: you know? The first thing that song I've heard from

1064
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: you was better? I don't moved to town and I

1065
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: was like, what is this song better? I doubt damn,

1066
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: what's funny? I heard the song and so I come

1067
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: to down and it's a whole to do because for me,

1068
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: I was the first ever nationally syndicated country morning show,

1069
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: and it is, you know, just crazy from the people

1070
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: that were excited to people that weren't excited, all of

1071
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: these mixed basket of emotions. And I hear this song

1072
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, this guy's nuts. Like I

1073
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: just love that. I was like, man, this guy's nuts.

1074
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: So I met Chris. Chris was the first ever guest

1075
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: we had on our show period, Like we were on

1076
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: the air and just Nashville for a week before we

1077
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: went on the year nationally, and I was like, hey,

1078
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: you sound crazy and good and that's what I like you,

1079
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: So why don't you come do the show? So Chris

1080
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: showed up and played the song as our first ever

1081
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: guest on on a show that no one thought was

1082
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: gonna last more than a year, like really, so far,

1083
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: we'll see And Chris came in and just and and

1084
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: played this so well. Now, but I do think I

1085
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: look back at that first time and it was just like, man,

1086
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: it's so good. And then from that time, you know,

1087
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: all the way until now deal or no deal or

1088
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: whatever the occasion, it was just like, let's just call Chris.

1089
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: Charity event, non charity event, single, no single. It was like,

1090
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: let's just call Chris. Let's just call it Chris. And

1091
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: that's just kind of how it's been for three and

1092
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: a half years now. Our first freaking guest on a

1093
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: show that wasn't gonna make it to a guy that

1094
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: they also told, hey, you're not gonna make it, and

1095
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: hey we're gonna drop you, and hey we're plenty of times. Dude,

1096
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: I wrote that song with Kelly, my wife. Really it

1097
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: was better around. That's a true story, as you well know.

1098
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. So your wife also your manager? Okay,

1099
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: how does that work for you? It is the only

1100
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: way I would do it. So does that mean a

1101
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the money just goes into the money?

1102
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: Good questions? I have a manager two and I know

1103
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: she gets and so you guys are married. I mean,

1104
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: how's that working? You know what? Um? She has a

1105
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: co manager that she has, um that she teams with.

1106
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: UH that actually teamed with her rephrased that team with her. UM.

1107
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: First of all, let me say, without Kelly, I wouldn't

1108
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: do anything um in this business. I had already decided

1109
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: that Red for by my boat happened. Um. I was

1110
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: very happy and very content. And once it did, I said,

1111
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: the only the only way that I will go forward

1112
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: with this song and and thanks to you for making

1113
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: a hit that very first moment um. The only way

1114
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: I'll do it is if you manage me this go around,

1115
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: and I won't do it any other way. I just

1116
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: so she wasn't your manager before. Absolutely, so this round

1117
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: now that you the new Jansen, the new label of

1118
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: the new that the star now it has been with

1119
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: her absolutely And I will tell you and not just

1120
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: because not just because she's my wife, and not just

1121
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to pat her on the back, but

1122
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: she is the brains behind the operation. Okay I write

1123
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: the songs and I sing that, yes, but without her

1124
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: just sense of the world, I probably be a train wreck.

1125
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: So you wrote this with her? Yes, bath forward. If

1126
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: you're not going to be an artist anymore and you're

1127
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: writing song because I assume you saw had a publishing

1128
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: deal and someone could you still write a songs? You

1129
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: just decided to doing me a songwriter was that it.

1130
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: You're just gonna be at santime be a songwriter. I

1131
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: was gonna be a songwriter and an independent artist and

1132
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: just be happy and content with that and just tour

1133
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: because I've always had a fan base, thankfully, because I've

1134
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: all I've ever known is playing live. You know, It's

1135
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: just what I do. So we've been touring forever, whether

1136
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: it be in my truck, I mean we stoid, we

1137
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: stoud get in my truck man on Craig's. I'm a

1138
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: Craigslist junkie, right, So I've had a million trucks off Craiglister, cars, whatever,

1139
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: and flip them and sell them just like people do houses.

1140
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: And Man were getting at Craigslist truck and drive eleven

1141
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: hours on a Friday night to West Virginia. I get

1142
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: up and play for an hour for five dollars, drive

1143
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: back the same night. I mean, we would just do

1144
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: anything we could to make ends meet and support a family.

1145
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: And and we've Man, I remember just feeling so rich.

1146
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean literally, like I don't know what it was.

1147
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: We were like God, we are like doing We're making

1148
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: it like this is awesome, and we don't have a

1149
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: there's no record, do we not to answer anybody. It's

1150
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: amazing thing. And I mean just nothing, you know, just nothing,

1151
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: and but do we got to the point we're like

1152
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: rolling in a bus and stuff independent, like just a

1153
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: full blown prevote tour bus and playing show. Has got

1154
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: a great agent. I have the best agent in the world,

1155
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: like a guy, a guy who didn't care if I

1156
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: had a record doing not like just didn't care and

1157
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: just believed in what I did talent wise and for

1158
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: whatever reason, man, I didn't have to give a sales

1159
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: pitch and he just he didn't have to sell it,

1160
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: and he just joined with us and took it in stride,

1161
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: just like we do. So you're writing buy me a boat.

1162
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: Did you write that for you or were you just

1163
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: writing it to write? It's not just writing it to ride.

1164
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: At that point, um, brother, I I was listening to

1165
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: Hank Junior Records all morning. Came in Christo Ball and

1166
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: my co writer was like, what you want to write today?

1167
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: And uh, at that point I had already like pre

1168
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: I'd already prefaced him in the in like we had

1169
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: like one co right before that. I didn't preface him

1170
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: like I don't want to be an artist. But but

1171
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: he's like, dude, what are you talking to me? You

1172
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: want to be an artist like you? You're an artists.

1173
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: What you do, it's what you do. We went in and, um,

1174
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: I wrote the biggest song of my career. When you

1175
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: finished this song where you're like, ah, this is a

1176
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: good one, because you write a lot of songs, yes,

1177
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: I will say that. I was like, that's a good

1178
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: that is awesome. I love I actually loved that. And

1179
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: I remember telling Kelly about it before we got the

1180
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: demo and stuff. I remember like, I love this song.

1181
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: And we got the demo played for Kelly again, the

1182
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: brains of the operation said, that's a huge hit. We're

1183
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: gonna put that out. We gotta keep your touring going.

1184
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: So you put it up on iTunes? Yes, no label, nope, Yeah,

1185
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: but just did you? I mean you're running your own

1186
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: literally just run them on a little operation. I mean,

1187
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it, you know. I'm just

1188
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: like whatever. I signed up on tune core of my

1189
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: with my like personal email and everything else. I mean,

1190
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: just whatever. It's I was like, God, you can click,

1191
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: you can go on like twenty different now I'm going

1192
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: on on all these man, I won't gonna sell five

1193
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: of these things, but this is gonna be awesome. Five

1194
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: between five. So, um, the quick version of this. You

1195
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: email me the song, I play it. It's skyrockets, Okay,

1196
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: all that happens. Now, what I want to know is

1197
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: that period between that happening in the song blowing up

1198
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: and the period you've signed a record deal. So I

1199
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: play it like five times in one morning, and it's

1200
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: obviously a hit because the people listening to the radio

1201
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: made it a hit. They download it like crazy. They

1202
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: love so fast forward past that day and want me

1203
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: through the next couple of months as you were trying

1204
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: to find a record that were they coming at you

1205
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: from different directions, different labels, and what happens then whenever

1206
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: there's a song that's huge from an unsigned artist, this

1207
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: is a fun part. So that happened. And by the way,

1208
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: thank you, you know what to say. That's why I

1209
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: glossed over it. You're welcome moving on. I know I

1210
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: know that, but I'm I'm just you know what kind

1211
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: of person I am, And I'm just I'm always gonna

1212
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: praise you for it. Man. You change your life. It's

1213
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: you change my kid's life. It's unbelievable. I really do

1214
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Whether you can take it or not, I

1215
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'm the same way. I can't take compliments,

1216
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: but I mean that. Um So, here's what happened. You

1217
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: played the song. I wasn't even awake yet, as you

1218
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: well know, I know, we woke you up. I mean,

1219
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: you gotta understand. We just got back from the beach. Okay,

1220
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: I had that song trucky I'm McGraw, and and we

1221
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: we spent every little penny we made all that to

1222
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: buy an investment property, a little little eaty bitty beach condo. Right,

1223
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: we're down there, we're like redoing it. We're like, oh

1224
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: my god, we're making it so awesome making it. And uh.

1225
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: In the meanwhile, like I'm like, oh crap, I mean

1226
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: I got tu got tun quarter tomorrow, Kellers, you get

1227
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: two quarter tomorrow. And we're on the way back, and well,

1228
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, we got in it. Like why why did

1229
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: I make you that like two o'clock in the more?

1230
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: You okay, it was we got it like two o'clock

1231
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: in the morning. And I remember being on for Joy

1232
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: Week three weeks prior to that, and you said, if

1233
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: you've got anything, just send it to me as my buddy,

1234
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, and I because people will

1235
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: send me music and when I don't ask, I don't

1236
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: listen to it, right, But I asked you. I was like, dude,

1237
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: whatever you have, send it and you know and you

1238
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: know me, I'm just and for people listening to there,

1239
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: I'm just not that kind of guy. Like I'm just

1240
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: is not that guy. I don't want it to come

1241
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: off like oh man, and maybe he'll play my song

1242
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: right or maybe not even whoever would play myself. I'm

1243
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: just not that kind of guy. And you gotta understand.

1244
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 1: The day before you played it, I'm sitting there telling

1245
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: Luke Brian at a table in Deston, Florida. He's like,

1246
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: my on, what you guy going on? And I said,

1247
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: oh man, just nothing, just touring right and saw you know, Bubba,

1248
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: we're down here remodeling this thing. He's like, oh man,

1249
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: that's cool. And then the next morning you played it,

1250
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: and I saw him three weeks later, he's like, what

1251
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: the hell I mean are you kidding? So anyway, you

1252
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: played the song, I wasn't even up yet. I get up.

1253
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm doing the dad thing. I mean, like Kelly is

1254
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: going to start. But We're just doing the normal deal, right.

1255
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: She's like, um, oh my god, uh turn the radio. Good,

1256
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: good your truck turning radio? Um, my phone's blown up,

1257
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: like probably won't playing your song. Like, what are you

1258
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: talking about? I mean, that's really what are you what

1259
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't. I forgot I sent it to you.

1260
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's how nonchalant it was, you know.

1261
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: And so I get in the truck and then we

1262
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: talked on the phone. And in the middle after I

1263
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: got off the phone with you and and Eddie and

1264
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: the and the crew there. I never forget that when

1265
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: I was talking to Edie and he was remember he

1266
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: was saying, it's going up the okay, right, I was

1267
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: talking to him. I never forget then when you hung

1268
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: up the phone and I got my first phone call

1269
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: from a record label, and it was Chris Lacy at

1270
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers. And she was like, oh my god, um,

1271
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: what's going on. I'm like, I haven't heard from you,

1272
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: and like I never hear from you, you know that

1273
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: kind of thing. I mean what I mean at this point,

1274
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm just whatever, you know, and she goes, do you

1275
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: want to record to it? I mean, do you even

1276
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: want to record it. I mean, I don't know, do you.

1277
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what's up? Oh my god, what's going on?

1278
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean I'm crying. I mean my dad's crying. I mean,

1279
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: what's going on? I mean, That's exactly how the conversation went.

1280
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even know call call my wife.

1281
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: She's like, UM, can I call Johnaspisito at Warner Brothers,

1282
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: just the president of the label, you know, Can I

1283
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: call him? And can we can we just get a

1284
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: meeting with you? And I'm like, I'm thinking, boy, how

1285
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: the tables have turned and you have leverage? Do you

1286
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: have a you have? You have what they want? Which

1287
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: did they hit? Well, it's so that happens. And in

1288
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: the meantime. In the meantime, phone calls are swarming Kelly's phone, like,

1289
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: how did you get my wife's phone number? I'm talking

1290
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: like people we don't even know, people from like out

1291
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: of state, people from out of country. Literally record labels

1292
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: by one o'clock in the afternoon thirteen thirteen, solid real

1293
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: record deal offers like big ones, the biggest, the biggest

1294
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: you could get. I liked John Esposito and Chris Lacey,

1295
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: Scott Hendricks, Peter Strickland. I like the team. It was

1296
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: really good sign with them. By the way, thank you

1297
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: listen to this so I get in there. The vestage

1298
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: had to come. There's a very special lady that works

1299
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: at the label, and she would be embarrassing if we've

1300
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: even mentioned her. Probably she's like not that kind of

1301
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: person like to credit take credit for things. Her name

1302
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: is Lisa ray We love her very much, my brand manager.

1303
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: She pulled over her car. She was the first person

1304
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know this. She was the first person before

1305
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,479
Speaker 1: Chris Lacey, before anybody knew or even heard on the radio,

1306
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: who just happened to be listening to your show. I

1307
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: had no idea who I was pulled over a car

1308
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,479
Speaker 1: and goes, oh my god, started calling everybody Warner Brothers.

1309
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: You have to get ahold of it. Do you know

1310
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: who Chris Jansen is? Chris Lace Like, of course the

1311
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: dude and turn it on. That's how the whole thing

1312
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: started without Lisa ray Man like for real, and she's

1313
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: one of our She's she's our tightest compadre at the label. Um,

1314
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: but without starting with you, bro, like it just I

1315
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: just can't even imagine where we would be. It's unbelievable.

1316
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: We got offered so many record deals. John Asposito was

1317
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: on vacation, flew in, we had a special meeting. Um

1318
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't need to take anymore in person

1319
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: meetings than that. See you signed with Warner Brothers, which,

1320
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: by the way, John Easo also on his death. But

1321
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: it was one of my favorite people in town. Like

1322
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: just a great dude. And also you know, ran hip

1323
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: hop label for a while. That was what I love

1324
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: about Hi, bro. I gotta tell you I've never told

1325
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: you this because we're gonna kick out of this and

1326
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: not gonna mention names because it it doesn't adder and

1327
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: and and I'm still actually you know, acquainted friends with

1328
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: these people. Um, we've had great successes together actually on

1329
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: other other projects. However, I wanted to tell you that

1330
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: two weeks before you played my song, I was in

1331
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: a label meeting trying to get signed off of not

1332
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: I was trying to get signed up buying me a

1333
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: boat and those kind of things. Okay, um off my

1334
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: tune Core project was about to come out, and they

1335
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: were Um, I just never forget a very very influential

1336
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: executive in town going that is not a hit that

1337
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: will never work. Country music is not going in that direction,

1338
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: and um kind of liked my other stuff, but basically

1339
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: just in a very rude way, wasted my time, showed

1340
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: up in sweatpants, like I didn't want to be at

1341
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: the meeting kind of thing, and it really, it really

1342
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: got me in a pretty big funk. I'm not gonna lie,

1343
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: and so that was when you played it. It was

1344
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: a big deal, and it was a big deal for

1345
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: my family, and it was it came at a time

1346
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: where I and you know this, I say this with

1347
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: a lot of pride. And now it's funny. I didn't

1348
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: really want a record deal. I wasn't really looking for one.

1349
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: Isn't that funny how life works. That's how a lot

1350
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: of life works. Yeah, it's like we were not looking

1351
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: for one man. We were not looking at all for one. Okay,

1352
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: we've been burnt. We've been burnt once before. I had

1353
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: one before that one that we got burnt that we

1354
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: didn't get burnt. I just like the label fell apart.

1355
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: It was just, yeah, I just didn't have a very good,

1356
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: awesome upbringing as far as record labels were concerned. And

1357
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: now I finally feel like we don't have a home.

1358
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: It's really cool because they really respect my artistry and

1359
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: it was more than just buy me a boat. They

1360
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: they let me make the records I want to make,

1361
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: and they respect my songwriting, which really matters to me.

1362
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: It really matters to me big time. And um, you know,

1363
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: we just would love Warner Brothers. And by the way,

1364
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: there was a guy um named Clay honeycut Um who

1365
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: was with my Heart Media at the time. And um,

1366
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: you know before I signed my deal, before I signed

1367
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: my deal, after you played it, before I signed the deal, um,

1368
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: he picked me as the first independent artist for the

1369
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: on Diverge program would buy me a boat, which is

1370
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: an unbelievable blessing and something that was huge and very

1371
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: um humbling for me. Also, before I signed the deal,

1372
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: c MT. Leslie fram Um came to Kelly. We want

1373
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: to we my my my bosses and and all of

1374
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: my cohorts and everybody. We want to come together. We

1375
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: want to make a music video independent for buying me

1376
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: a boat. And uh they funded the video. It was

1377
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: really an amazing thing and they did and then then

1378
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: the Warner Brothers deal h came in and took effect.

1379
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: After the you know, I had a meeting and everything

1380
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: was just such on the fast track, and um, then

1381
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: it all just happened and we're still We're like we're

1382
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: riding this huge wave and we we we don't want

1383
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: to get off of it. We really enjoy it it.

1384
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: But we're very thankful. Were very notice that the Grindstone

1385
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: we're still the same people, and um, we just we've

1386
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: learned a lot. We've learned what it's like to have

1387
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: the great successes of the music business now and um,

1388
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: the upsides and the downsides and then all the in betweens,

1389
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: and um we're join it. So as you talk about songwriting,

1390
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna go through and I'll play a song that

1391
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: you wrote on give me about a fifteen second story

1392
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: about each of the songs. Alright, you ready we did

1393
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: how I'll always be Why don't we do? Truck Yeah,

1394
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: truck yeah? Dude. Um, I got in there with my

1395
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: boys low Cash and another cat named Danny Merick. Danny's

1396
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: a great guitar player and a great guy on a

1397
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: beat box kind of things. I don't know, man, Uh,

1398
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: I said, Uh, I said, well if yeah, you know,

1399
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: talking like dudes due in the locker room, and uh,

1400
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: Preston goes, whoooo, what about truck? Yeah, man, and I

1401
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that would never work, and that's how

1402
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: the song came about. In about twenty minutes later, we

1403
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,439
Speaker 1: had a song and that was my first ever cut

1404
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: recording artist cut period. Yeah, ended up being a single

1405
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: in the number one song. I had a couple of

1406
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: things recorded that like didn't mean anything. My first cut

1407
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: on a major artist was Tim McGraw Truck. Yeah. We

1408
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: were pushing Georgia, our youngest thought her around in the stroller.

1409
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,479
Speaker 1: We just had her. That's how God works. How about

1410
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: this one? I Love this Life with loque freaking okay,

1411
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: same cruise, truck Yeah, same exact writers, all three entities.

1412
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 1: What's gonna be interesting is how you tell the story

1413
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: because I heard we heard this story from Preston, but

1414
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: I want to hear how you tell it because everybody's

1415
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: perspective is always different because you come from different sizes. Yeah,

1416
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: no worse, So well, it will probably be pretty similar

1417
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: because we're we're very much on the same page. We

1418
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: all showed up at Danny's house and I was wired

1419
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: like on fourteen Mountain Dews or something, and I go

1420
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: in and, um, I'm just like you Can Can Can

1421
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: just playing guitar, and Danny's playing guitar as great guitar player,

1422
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: great melody guy, and we all just started rapping off words. Okay.

1423
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: And I have to tell you, I have to give

1424
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: a lot of credits to low Cash on a lot

1425
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: of these lyrics because they were feeling a low Cash

1426
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: song and I was feeling it for him. Now, I

1427
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: will say when Boys of Summer comes on. Yes, Preston,

1428
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: y asked Chris, It's totally my line. I love that line. Right.

1429
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,439
Speaker 1: But man, we just started thinking about happy things, which,

1430
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't naturally wake up and write

1431
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: these kind of songs. I naturally wake up and write

1432
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: like Dean Dylan, George Strait kind of songs. Okay, naturally

1433
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: when I wake up. I had to work at this one,

1434
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: and I'm proud to be a part of it. How

1435
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: about And this is the title track from Justin Moore

1436
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: from his record Off the Beaten Path, number one record. Yeah,

1437
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: Off the Beaten Path. This is my dude here, love him,

1438
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: like him and I have a relationship outside of anything worthwise,

1439
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: like when I need tickets. I mean, this is like

1440
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: solid dude, he is so solid. Um story behind the

1441
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: song fifteen seconds. Jeremy Stover, the same guy, wrote how

1442
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: will always be with Um who also produces Justin which,

1443
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: by the way, doesn't mean you're gonna get a Justin

1444
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: Moore cut. It just happens to be Um. I sang

1445
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: this demo actually, and it was a very much I

1446
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: don't mean to talk in third person here, but it

1447
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: was very much a Jansen song. It was gonna be

1448
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: on me as an artist, but I didn't have a

1449
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: record at the time, so what did that matter? Justin

1450
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: was cutting loved the song. Record of the song ended

1451
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: up being the title track to his number one record

1452
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: Off the Beaten Path. What's it like when Hank Junior

1453
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: cuts one of your songs? I mean, that's gotta I

1454
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: mean you mentioned you just go play Hank buddy, And

1455
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: then when he cuts one, thank you Julian Raymond who

1456
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: has uh produced that record and works at They Machined.

1457
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: What a great guy. If you don't know him, you

1458
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: need to. He's top notch. And thanks Hank Williams. I'm

1459
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: an old I'm an old friend of Hank Hanks, an

1460
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: old friend of mine. We go way back. Hank actually

1461
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: gave me my first opportunity to have a major tour

1462
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: Hank and Leonard Skinner and Lardy Friends tour two years

1463
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: in a row, and uh Ken Levitan also his manager,

1464
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: which was an amazing thing. Man, I got to Hank

1465
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: Junior cuts, and they are my greatest musical achievements as

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01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: far as songwritings in certain period, because when you grew

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01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: up listening to Whiskey Bent and hell Bound and Hank

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01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: and and Hank Senior music alive. And then Hank Jr.

1469
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: Sends word through the grape vine to brother Jansen that

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01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: he wants something that kind of sounds Whiskey Bent and

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01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: hell Bnest but not Whiskey Bent hell Bond, just updated.

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01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: And you send him those days are gone and he

1473
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: cuts it right off the bat. What was the other

1474
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 1: one you cut? God fearing man, It's gotta be cool

1475
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: to have when the hero thinks something your wrote. Bro. Honestly,

1476
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: my here. First of all, let me say my hero

1477
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: is Jesus, and my other hero is It's might surprise you,

1478
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: but my other hero, um whom you will meet at

1479
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: some point, is my father in law. It's great man,

1480
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 1: great man. We're like two piece in a freaking pod. Honestly,

1481
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: just different ages. Hank Junior though, is a musical definitely

1482
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: a musical influence, and I would guess you would say

1483
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: country music hero of mine. To have him record those

1484
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: songs do it was like, I'm telling you my greatest

1485
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: musical achievement as a songwriter ever it will always be

1486
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: because when you come from where I come, where you

1487
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: come for where we come from, born to boogie? Is

1488
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: it all my righty friends are coming overnight? That is

1489
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: the deal? And dude, not one but two, it was

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01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: that was my great great honor. You played at the

1491
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: Republican National Convention instead of truck Yeah, you played Trump? Yeah?

1492
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: Whose idea wasn't the change of the word. Honestly, man,

1493
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: I got kind of backed into a corner that night.

1494
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: It was the Networks, So you're gonna play truck Yeah.

1495
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 1: I was gonna play truck yeah. Absolutely, just truck yeah.

1496
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: And um they were like, hey man, how would you

1497
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: feel about doing Trump yet? And I'm like, I don't, no,

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01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: no if I feel so good about that? Uh you know,

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01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: And it's not not because I like or dislike Trump.

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01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know if I feel good about

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01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: doing that. It just wasn't the song in your mind.

1502
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: That's it. The song is what it is, right, and

1503
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: so it is what it is, A big hit. Everybody

1504
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: knows it. I've been warming up all day singing and

1505
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and I was like, cool truck, Yeah,

1506
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: whoa right party song. It was their idea. But when

1507
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: in Rome do as the Romans do, you know what?

1508
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: It kind of worked out because Cruise is getting booed

1509
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: off stage. I started singing it and Trump walks out

1510
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: and goes he gives me that trump thumbs and I'm

1511
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: like with the mouth out, Yeah, it's good. It's so good.

1512
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: It was the song. Actually, excuse me, excuse me. It

1513
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: made me sappy when you did it. Okay, thank you,

1514
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: thank you. I win the debate. It's over. I won.

1515
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: You lost. That's a good oppresion. Dude. Hey man, hey,

1516
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: you know what to answer your question, It is true. Um,

1517
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: I've only ever played music to play music, that's the

1518
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: bottom line. And it was a gig, and it was

1519
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: a big gig. And you know what, no matter if

1520
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: it's for the left side of the road or the

1521
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: right side of the road. A gigs and gigs and

1522
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: gigs a gig. And at the bottom line is they

1523
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: pay you for that, of course, absolutely no, it was

1524
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: a paid gig. I looked at it as a tour show,

1525
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: which is exactly what it was. It just happened to

1526
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: get a little blown out of proportion because it's a

1527
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: big deal here this hold on, let's cling it out.

1528
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,759
Speaker 1: I've never talked to you about this, and I wondered,

1529
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: whose idea wasn't to go Trump? Yeah, because they didn't

1530
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: make your bowls change their songs right. Well, you know

1531
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: they were big fans of mine, I guess, and they

1532
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: thought I was a rowdy guy. Like you said, this

1533
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: guy is a little bit wild and crazy. Um, you

1534
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: know what, looking back, to be frankly honest with you,

1535
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: looking back, probably wouldn't have done it. Um. You know,

1536
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: it's not my song. First of all, it's Tim mcgrawls song.

1537
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: And out of respect to Tim, um, it's a mcgrawl song. However,

1538
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 1: it is what it is. You do things along your

1539
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: along your career path. You just kind of shoot from

1540
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: the hip and you go with it and you do

1541
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: what the situation calls for when it calls for it.

1542
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to get stopped, you know, I

1543
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: was in the moment just happened. They're commercial this out

1544
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: now where they were seeing I don't know who's singing it.

1545
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: I don't either. It's weird. There's something to the truck. Yeah,

1546
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: commercial for a tripper? Is it Dodge or it's uh

1547
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: forward and they're singing truck Yeah. Yeah, it's not you.

1548
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: It's not Tim, it's not low Cash, it's not low cash,

1549
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: but it's truck. Yeah. They come, they come to you

1550
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: and say we're gonna do a Ford commercial queen your song.

1551
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: They didn't. I was just as surprised as you were

1552
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: when it came on, and just as surprise as you

1553
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: just saw it on TV. Where to god, I saw

1554
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: it on TV. It's a long story, and I unfortunately

1555
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: can't get into all the details. Even though we're getting praised. Um, well,

1556
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, we'll get residuals off of because we're sorry

1557
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: that you get paid when you're a songwriter. Um. For

1558
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: those who don't know, it's it is a job. I mean,

1559
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's just like any other job, though

1560
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: you have to work really hard and hopefully you win. Um.

1561
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: But long story short, that didn't go all down as

1562
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: we all wanted it to collectively. However, again, some things

1563
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: just happen, and some things have to happen sporadically and

1564
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: very quick, and um, you know it's it's it just

1565
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: is what it is. The commercial is what it is.

1566
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: I would have preferred McGraw's version be out there again

1567
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: out of respect for my buddy, my friend Tim McGraw,

1568
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: who made a giant hit out of our song and

1569
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: gave us all a job as songwriters. So before we wrap,

1570
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: let's do a quick highlow of your career. Yes, hi, hi,

1571
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 1: not hello, the highest point of your career, just kidding,

1572
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: the highest point of my career, in your career, that's

1573
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 1: like the highlight for you here in that here and

1574
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: buy me about on the radio for the first time

1575
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: that morning. The low, the low, Um, I honestly the lower.

1576
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: I try not to pay attention too much to the

1577
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: low parts, but I guess, I guess if I had

1578
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: to pick one, when uh, when your record label just

1579
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: falls apart and you don't know what's gonna happen, I

1580
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 1: want to take you to another play in your personal life.

1581
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: Bring it you're high. My wife, well part of it,

1582
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: meeting her, marrying her, Um, everything, man, I really found

1583
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: true love and that's hard to find. I'm still one

1584
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 1: of the old time thinkers, I guess, classic thinkers. I

1585
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: still believe in real love and when you find it,

1586
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: you have to take care of it. And I really

1587
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 1: love my wife through I mean, I just love her

1588
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: the low the low in my personal life. UM, I

1589
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: would say probably any time before, any time before I

1590
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: give my heart to the Lord. When was When was

1591
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: that a two thousand and one? That's the day it

1592
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,560
Speaker 1: became saved? Day became a Christian? Where were you Shelbyville,

1593
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 1: Tennessee First Baptist Church. Did you have a plan You're

1594
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: gonna raise your hand? Nope? Actually I said, I'm absolutely

1595
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: not doing that. I was at a Ken Freeman revival.

1596
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: Ken Freeman is a great um motivational speaker and pastor

1597
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: and evangelist. UM at least he was. I don't know

1598
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: what he's doing now, but never forget it. He uh

1599
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: was talking and it just hit me at my heart,

1600
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: and there I went, and I was the only person

1601
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: who went to the altar. So he walked up as

1602
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 1: you're walking freaking out, hearts racing, hearts, unbelievably racing. And

1603
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: I at that point had never been told about the

1604
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 1: word or at least in a way that I felt

1605
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: comfortable with it. That makes sense, And so I went

1606
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: up there by myself and that was it. Just just

1607
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: like that. I appreciate the talk. Man, It's been good, dude.

1608
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 1: This has been my honor. And I hope everybody listening

1609
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: downloads the crap out of hold in her thank you,

1610
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: and I hope and I say it not just to

1611
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: your face. I say it when you're not around, I tweeted,

1612
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: I say it to anybody will listen. Like I think

1613
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,560
Speaker 1: propelling you're the best live performer I've ever seen. Thank you?

1614
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: Is it unfair to compare you and people with a

1615
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,560
Speaker 1: huge pirate. Yet if you put two guys up on

1616
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: stage and you just say perform, I don't know it's

1617
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: better than you. Thank you very much. And I'm not

1618
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: saying that. I don't you've ever told the bails down

1619
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: in this podcast, because it would be alive. I did

1620
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: go check the day of everybody. But if you get

1621
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: a chance to see Chris out, go see him like

1622
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: he if he's playing with an accoustic guitar, he's got

1623
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: a full band. Whatever. I do think you are the

1624
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: but and I think it comes from having a grind

1625
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: for so long like you. You just didn't grow up

1626
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: with those skills put on too you. You worked for

1627
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: those skills because you can get to hustle. Still grinding, baby,

1628
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: and you're still hustling. You gotta always hustle, man. The

1629
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: minute you quit hustling, you lost. Chris Jansen download Holding

1630
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: Her or if you're listening to this any year whatever

1631
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: his song is now on the radio, don't let that

1632
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: one yea, I love it. If you're heard this year

1633
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: from now his new single that just came out, I

1634
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: love that one too. On it it's amazing. I trust me.

1635
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: These things last a long time. So yeah, whatever a

1636
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: song is, that's my favorite song on the radio, whatever

1637
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: it is right now, I love that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, alright, Chris,

1638
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:22,759
Speaker 1: Thanks buddy. My point episode is this. Thanks for listening

1639
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: to Episode twenties six of the Bobby Cast. Download the record,

1640
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: buy me about, check out all those songs, and thanks

1641
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: for us songs behind the songs. Thank you for using

1642
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: the artists that you aren't that you wrote for. Who's

1643
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: the guy behind the guy? Who's the big winner tonight? Mike,

1644
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: He's the big winner? That's who Mike? Follow him on

1645
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 1: Snapchatt he's our wonderful producer. Anything to ask before we go,

1646
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: You always have a great question or two. Anything you

1647
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: said you're back on the do how many of you

1648
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: drinking mountain dew? Mountain dew one and a half today?

1649
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,560
Speaker 1: Not so, I'm not really back on it. You're the

1650
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: worst in mountain due time. Were you drinking? Oh, easily

1651
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: close to two twelve packs a day? Yeah, I have

1652
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: to drink it three later a day, and I would

1653
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: work out and drink it three. Yeah, I'll be like,

1654
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: oh feel good, let me have you. Let's get another one?

1655
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 1: All right? All right, thank you guys. We'll see you

1656
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 1: next time here on the Bobby Cast.