1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of iHeart Radio. I'm 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: Annie Rees and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we have 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: an episode for you about reasoning. Yes, yes, fun with 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: pronunciation for sure always always um uh, and drink responsibly 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: as always as always yes, yes indeed um And if 6 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: you're unaware, obviously the whole episode is dedicated to it, 7 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: so you will soon be illuminated. But reasoning the wine, um, 8 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: so we're talking about, which I've had, but I don't 9 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: have a lot of experience with I've definitely had it, 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't say rarely, I've had it multiple times. 11 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: But it's it's normally I drink red wines and red ones, 12 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: so it's not normally the thing that I drink. And 13 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: if I do, it's part of tasting situation or somebody 14 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: brings it um and I like them. It's just I 15 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of experience with them. Yeah, absolutely, 16 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: I UM. I think that's fairly common for a lot 17 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: of Americans because well, okay, so um so, my experience 18 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: with reasoning began when I was just starting to get 19 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: into wine in um uh goodness, how old am I? 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: When was that? Like, say, like like two four issues, 21 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: um and uh. And that was a time when, um, 22 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: most of the reasonings in America were still on the 23 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: very sweet end and as a inexperienced drinker, like mud 24 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: slides were my favorite thing to drink, so like like 25 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: so this like sweeter maybe slightly like mineral, even slightly 26 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: bubbly white wine was very appealing to me. Um and uh. 27 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: Then I kind of stopped drinking it for a long time, 28 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: and more recently, um, one of the very dearest humans 29 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: in my life loves the category, and so we have 30 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: we've we we've drank a bunch of bottles of it together. Yeah. Um, 31 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: And I think that I'm excited to get some and 32 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: and give it another visit because this this episode made 33 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: me like kind of nostalgic for a thing that, again 34 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: I don't have much experience. That sounds lovely. Also, this 35 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: one was very complicated. As we were discussing beforehand, I 36 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know, I didn't know about German wine designations, 37 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: and um, I still don't know about wine designations. And 38 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: I tried, Um, so every now and then on this 39 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: show we try, and it's not enough. It's just not enough. Yeah, Yeah, 40 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: I feel like, to be fair, like wine experts don't 41 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: really know about German wine designation and that's that's a 42 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: problem of the German wine designations, not the humans trying 43 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: to understand them. M hmm. That's the that's the emotion 44 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: that I'm getting from it. At any rate, you feel 45 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: like I'm just like counselor Troy out here. I'm just like, 46 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: I'm kind of vibe in that. It's weird, Like, well, 47 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: you sent me a document right beforehand, and it was 48 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: very confusing. It's too much. It's too much, you guys. 49 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: But okay, so it's gonna be So that's gonna be 50 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: a whole other episode. Yes, a very very confusing episode. 51 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: I love it. I love a good episode that's just 52 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: confusing everyone involved even more. Yes, but we're in it together. 53 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: M You can see our past wine episodes, of which 54 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: there have been many, um ice wine in particular, maybe 55 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: for this, Yeah, that would apply, sure, m Ish, sure Ish, sure, Yes, 56 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: But I guess this brings us to our question, what 57 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: is it? Well reasoning is a variety of wine grape 58 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: used to produce wines of the same name. It's a 59 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: white grape what you would refer to in table grapes 60 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: as a green grape that produces white wines that can 61 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: be drank young or aged, and can vary pretty widely 62 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: in terms of sweetness and like, um, like specific flavors 63 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: and aromas. But they tend to be light and fruity, 64 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: think like citrus or apple or peach, bright with acid 65 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: and with a little bit of like a honey richness 66 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: to them. Um. They're like they're like a like a cool, 67 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,559 Speaker 1: clear sunny morning and a glass. Yeah, I love that. 68 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: That sounds delightful. That like that, like that like morning 69 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: Golden Hour. You know, not it's not quite as like 70 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: a rich and heavy as an afternoon Golden Hour, but 71 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: the morning Golden Hour. That and people other than me 72 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: get poetic about reasonings. UM. Wine expert Tom Scott once 73 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: wrote um that a good like classic low alcohol reasoning 74 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:18,119 Speaker 1: has an imperial elegance, subtlety, and haunting delicacy. If someone 75 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: described me like that, I would my life would be 76 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: a success. I mean you would also be like Kate Blanchet, 77 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: I mean as a success right, Oh goodness, maybe till 78 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: this Winton anyway, Um, And I absolutely you know I 79 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: don't want to be either of them, but right, heck 80 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: he can. Heck, alright, you little elegance, come on, haunting delicacy. 81 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: No one's ever said that either of us are delicate 82 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: in any way, Little loone hauntingly. Usually, the term haunting 83 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: when applied to us is not used in the same way. 84 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: It's a different connotation. Slightly slightly yes, um any reasoning 85 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: wine very basically wine is a drink made from the 86 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: juice of grapes that is fermented using friendly yeasts. The 87 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: yeasts eat the sugars and the juice and they poop 88 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: alcohol and flavor and carbon dioxide. But in the case 89 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: of reasonings, that's not usually kept. It's usually siphoned off. Um. Traditionally, 90 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: um reasonings have been produced in cool climate regions of 91 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: what's now Germany, with um acids and flavors developing deeply 92 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: and slowly over a long ripening season before a late harvest. UM. 93 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: And these wines are good for aging because of those qualities. 94 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, just doing the reading for this one really 95 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: hammered home for me, the concept of um of wines 96 00:06:54,560 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: being this amazing collaboration between nature and humans. UM like okay, 97 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,119 Speaker 1: like like reason Grapes are known for producing a wide 98 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: variety of flavors when they're grown in different circumstances. UM. 99 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: Some will develop a sort of like like prickly minerality, 100 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: some sort of creamy fruitiness um. Some will have a 101 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: lot of sugar, some like a pretty normal amount of sugar. 102 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: An experiment over one demonstrated that UM that even vines 103 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: planted on opposite sides of a lake can have distinct differences. 104 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I know, I love it. Furthermore, reason grapes 105 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: do happen to have a lot of acid, which can 106 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: really play with the way that we experience sweetness UM. Like, 107 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: even reasoning wines that wind up with a high amount 108 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: of sugar in the final product can taste pretty dry 109 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: because of that acidity. Also at work part of what 110 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: we experience in wine as sweetness is any fruity aroma, 111 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: which reasonings tend to have a lot of UM, and 112 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: fruit flavored compounds tend to break out over time as 113 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: you age a wine, so the fruitiness and a young 114 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: reasoning can balance or even overbalance the acid and wind 115 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: up tasting pretty sweet um, depending on the original sugar level. UM, 116 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: and an old reasoning can taste almost surprisingly dry UM 117 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: after those fruity compounds have broken down. So yeah, just 118 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: depending on what conditions you're working with and what you're 119 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: going for, you can do a lot with reasoning grapes. Um. 120 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: The wines that they make can range from dry and 121 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: crisp to like honey sweet um. The young ones have 122 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: almost a fizz to them. Um. They are used to 123 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: produce full on sparkling wines as well. Another fun thing 124 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: about reasoning grapes okay, they happen to contain high levels 125 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: of of both precursors to this one flavor compound and 126 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: the compound itself that smells like gasoline or petrol. It 127 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: is called HO trimethyl die hy drone penthelene. Ha ha, yes, 128 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: yes that's the podcasters sticking the landing. I did it 129 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: in one, y'all. The award goes through Lauren, thank you. Um. 130 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: It's also called t d N because that is a 131 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: mouthful um. Okay. But so the straight up naturally occurring 132 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: t d N in reasoning grapes is generally pretty overwhelmed 133 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: by other flavors in young wines. UM, but the precursors 134 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: to it break down during aging, producing like quite noticeable 135 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: levels UM. It's considered a sign of quality. But in 136 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: terms of preference, it's like pretty polarizing. Um, and certainly 137 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: too much of it can be off putting. So um, 138 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: So winemakers really work to control it via controlling the 139 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: amount of sun or shade that their grapes are getting, um, 140 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: the amount of water by pruning leaves. It's a whole, 141 00:09:54,679 --> 00:10:03,359 Speaker 1: it's a whole amazing scientific process. I love that too. Yeah. Um. 142 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: And here's here's my pretty much one line recommendation for 143 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: if you're if you're looking for sweet reasoning versus a 144 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: dryer reasoning. Okay, this is what hours of reading has 145 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: boiled down to today. M On German wine labels. Um, 146 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: the terminology can vary, but um, look for the term 147 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: drunken if you want something dryer and help trunckin. I'm 148 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: not sure if I'm saying that right, but but yeah, basically, 149 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: drunken for dryer and help drunken for off dry. If 150 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: neither of those terms appear, you're looking at something sweeter. Okay. 151 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: And and then I just I raised my hands up 152 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: in in the in the defense of posture, and I 153 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: back away slowly. And that's what that's what I have 154 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, that's fair. I was telling Lauren beforehand, 155 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: I read an entire book, uh, to try to get 156 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: to the bottom of being able to buy a wine 157 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: and not a panicked state at a grocery store. Yeah. 158 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: So so I mean, did it did it work? Do 159 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: you do you feel like you can buy a bottle 160 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: of wine in a non panicked state from grocery store. 161 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: I feel like I can with red wine. Um. I 162 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: bet if I went back and was like, Okay, white 163 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: wine now I want to try that. I'm sure there 164 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: were some stuff in there, but yes, it's a lot 165 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: to keep in your brain though. Yeah. Yeah, And I 166 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: and I feel we were we were talking all about 167 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: this before we started recording. Um. I don't know why 168 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: we didn't just wait to press the cord, but anyway, um, yeah, no, 169 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: I feel like it can be really um uh, purposefully 170 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: of tuse and kind of gate keep you like, And 171 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: whether whether that's me being like a little sensitive about it, 172 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: or whether there's like a little bit of a genuine 173 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: like yeah, if you if you can't discern this, then 174 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: stick to beer, you please, Right, But then the beer 175 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: aisles like like a double life. The mess is what 176 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: we're saying. Oh, it's a delightful mess. Let's let's all, 177 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: let's all spend spend more time figuring it out together. 178 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: That's what we're here for. Well, a lot about the 179 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: nutrition drink responsibly. Yes, yes, we have a couple of 180 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: numbers for you, A couple. Um. Germany controls about of 181 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: the reasoning market share. It is a treasured category in Germany. Um. 182 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: I read that the most expensive reasoning on the market 183 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: as of summer of the year was going for four 184 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a bottle. What what? I Yeah, I read 185 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: that number and then I read it again, and then 186 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: I said out loud to my screen dollars. They're not 187 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: talking about corners, plugs, pokebondas cold cash. I don't know. Yeah, like, okay, okay, though, Yeah, 188 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: that's okay, sure, m m hm. Reasoning is a popular 189 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: grape in California as well, with over thirty thousand tons 190 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: crushed in the peak production it seems was in with 191 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: over forty one tons crushed. Um and uh okay. Once 192 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: every three years there is a reasoning festival held along 193 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: the Pacific coast of the United States called Reasoning Rendezvous. 194 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: All right, I'm right. In the past, some like seventy 195 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: wineries from around the world brought some two hundred and 196 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: fifty reasonings for tastings, UM and seminars and uh the 197 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: last one was in so like hypothetically there should be 198 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: one this summer. Am I mathing? Right? Is that math? Yeah? 199 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: I think so. Um, both of us are like. And 200 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: this reasoning Rendezvous is part of a like like three 201 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: event three year cycle, because there's also the International Reasoning 202 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: Symposium in Germany once every three years, and then the 203 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: Reasoning down Under in Australia. Yes, so it's like one 204 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: per year, the three events cycle and formed together the 205 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: Reasoning Coalition. Right, I love this sounds impressive. Yeah, I'm like, 206 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: I guess we need to go to all of them. 207 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: I got I mean, yes, yes, And we got more 208 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: characters for our cartoon series Slash Radio Show with the Dunker. 209 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: The Reasoning Coalition needs to be involved. But are they? 210 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: Are they on the on the side of good or evil? Oh? 211 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: That's the mystery of very easily. Oh there you go, 212 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: there you go. I love it. I love it. Oh well, 213 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: we have a lot of history on the reasoning to 214 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: go through. We do. But first we've got a quick 215 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back, 216 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you. So. Yes, we haven't 217 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: done an episode specifically on grapes yet, no, no, but 218 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: one day, one day, definitely. Oh, it's gonna be fine. 219 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: It's gonna be fine. Yeah. Yeah, We're probably gonna have 220 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: to break that up into multiple Yeah. But for more information, 221 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: pretty broad information, you can check out the episodes we 222 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: have done on other wines. Um. But just no, humans 223 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: have been drinking alcohol for like a long day time, yeah, 224 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: like like researchers think that because yeasts grow naturally on 225 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: grape skins, humans were drinking wine some nine thousand years ago, um, 226 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: which for the record, is over three thousand years before 227 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: we invented the wheel. So so yeah. Um. And and 228 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: we have been specifically cultivating wine grapes for a long 229 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: time too, yes, um. And some of the grapes we're 230 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: talking about today are believed to have descended from the 231 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: fifties b c. E. Okay, And the reason grape is 232 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: believed to be native to Germany. Historians think that ancient 233 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: Romans introduced wine to Germanic territories and may have brought 234 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: the first wine vine to the Mosel Valley. And what 235 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: is now Germany, which is a big reasoning producing area UM. However, 236 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: the parents of reasoning are believed to be two vines 237 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: from what is now France and or perhaps Germany as well. 238 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: This was also a complicated research paper A found about 239 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: all of this. Records suggest the first wine cellar and 240 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: Germany went up in Trier by three thirty c E. 241 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: Over time, German wine started to build a reputation UM. 242 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: The Romans transported this wine along rivers, and a poet 243 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: wrote about the vineyards of mosel yeah Yea. During the 244 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: eight hundreds c E. Emperor Charlemagne did a lot for 245 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: popularizing German wines and wine in general um through Christianity. 246 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: He effectively spread wine culture through things like mona daies 247 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: that made their own wine, and some of these monasteries 248 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: achieved some some renown. During the fifteenth century, monks and 249 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: noble families were heavily involved in the caring of reasoning vines. 250 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: The first known written mention of reasonings occurred in that 251 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: country in four thirty five, though it was spelled Reaslingen, 252 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: when several reasoning vines were sold to the German court. 253 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: Because of this, the wines of Germany Trade Group declared 254 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: March thirteen, ft five the official birthday of relight. Okay, yeah, sure, 255 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: happy birthday, Happy birthday. We're we're only a little bit blated, 256 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: only a little bit um. A German botanist and physician 257 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: named Hieronymous Bach contributed a lot to the understanding of 258 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: reasoning grapes at the time, including updating how we spell 259 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: it and lending credence to the popularly hell belief that 260 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: these grapes are from the Rhine region of Germany. Okay yes. 261 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: Over the next few centuries, the popularity of reasonings and 262 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: green grapes white grapes overall rose. When the Thirty Years 263 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: War came to an end and France assumed control over 264 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: the Alsace region in sixty eight, the lion's share of 265 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: destroyed vineyards were replanted with reasoning vines. Um. A few 266 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: other places in Germany followed suit, and the Archbishop of 267 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: Treer decreed that reasoning varieties were to replace all quote 268 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: bad vines in seventeen eighty seven. Within seven years, this 269 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: decision led to one of the biggest reasoning growing areas 270 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: in the world. A little less than a century later, 271 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: in the eighteen fifties, Reasonings were extremely fashionable, going for 272 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: more money than Bordeaux wines or even Champagne's UM. Queen 273 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: Victoria was allegedly a fan and in a state from 274 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: Mosle called Egon. Mueller won the Grand Prix at the 275 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: Paris Exposition into National in nineteen o one. It was 276 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: Germany's a best selling grape by far. Around this time, 277 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: the vine was first exported to California, where the first 278 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: recorded planting happened in eighteen eighty nine. This grape helped 279 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: boost the profile of California's burgeoning wine industry. World War 280 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: One and World War Two saw mass destruction of Germany's 281 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: Reasoning vineyards, and because of that, many producers leaned really 282 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,239 Speaker 1: hard into quantity at the expense of quality, and the 283 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: overall quality of the wine went down UM, and this 284 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: trend did eventually reverse UM. Meanwhile, in nineteen seventy one, UM, 285 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: following a number of of of other European wine classification laws, 286 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: Germany enacted its own wine laws, which, including some changes 287 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: made later in the year two thousand, give us the 288 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: information that we see on German and wine labels today UM, 289 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: including the name of the producer or state. UM the 290 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: vintage year, the name of the village and vineyard, the 291 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: great variety, and the quality classification UM, which is this 292 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: kind of complex pyramid or like matrix UM of level 293 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: of ripeness of the grapes at harvest and sweetness of 294 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: the wine by sugar content and alcohol by volume, and 295 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 1: a few other restrictions about how grapes are grown and harvested. 296 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: Thrown in there for fun, Yeah, just for fun, just 297 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: for frenzies, just you know, why not? Um yeah, Uh, 298 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: to be I'm I'm I'm ragging pretty hard on on 299 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: German wine labeling. But to be fair, I when we 300 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: were talking about um Champagne, I found uh Frances almost 301 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: as as confusing. Um. Yeah. In general, in general, it's 302 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: it's a lot of information. It's a lot of information. 303 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: I love information. I just don't know how to decode 304 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: this stuff in a useful manner savor decode. Yeah. Oh yeah, 305 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: it's confusing, it is, for sure. UM, And there doesn't 306 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: seem to be like a one consistent system we're working 307 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: off of globally, certainly not. I mean, like it all 308 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: depends on I mean, and you know, like like part 309 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: of it comes from, uh, the government of any locality 310 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: wanting to help promote and distinguish its wines from anywhere 311 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: else as being you know, like cool and special for 312 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: marketing purposes because they are from there and they are 313 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: cool and special, I mean outside of marketing purposes. But 314 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: it's part of why it tends to get so sticky, 315 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: because you're you're dealing with um, right, these like these 316 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: like growers and businesses and politicians, and like whatever weirdness 317 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: they agree upon gets put on labels for a while. 318 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, at any rate, at any rate, at any rate. 319 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 1: Skipping ahead, the nineties also saw significant bump and demand 320 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: for white wines, including Reasonings. At the same time, reason 321 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: quality was increasing, and it soon became one of the 322 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 1: most well known and sought after German wines. By Reasoning 323 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: was once again Germany's most widely planted wine grape varietal. 324 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: Um end of note, going back to confusing fun times, 325 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: there has been a lot of name confusion over the 326 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: years with Reasoning, and in six the US Federal Tobacco 327 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: Tax and Trade Bureau ruled that the name Reasoning could 328 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: not be used on any wine labels that weren't actually Reasoning, 329 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: which yeah, I rather this report was like yes, oh wait, 330 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: what was going on? Um. Then there was some arguing 331 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: over the use of Johannesburg reasling, which had been used 332 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: to sort of separate from the inferior product flooding the market. 333 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: So it was sort of a way of doing that, like, no, 334 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: this is the real thing from Germany. That is, it's 335 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: got a lot of quality as opposed to this other 336 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: stuff you've been having that hasn't had that. But everyone 337 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: was just sort of confused and there were no real 338 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: rules or understanding around it. The US definition was updated 339 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: again in four quote true Reasonings UM similarly to your 340 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: kind of German wine breakdown. I read this and I 341 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: was still a little baffled by the whole thing. Um 342 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: a whole other episode. But it was around the nineties 343 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: and the early two thousands that UM that reasoning grapes 344 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: became more widely planted in the United States, and also 345 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: that imported reasonings were selling better here in the US. 346 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: And according to a two thousand six Wine Business Monthly 347 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: article titled Reasoning the New Darling white Wine quote, between 348 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: November two thousand three in August two thousand and six, 349 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: sales of the varietal have grown by s while case 350 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: volume has increased fifty eight percent. Sales of Reasoning are 351 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: so strong that some believe the varietal may eventually challenge 352 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 1: Sauvignon Blanc's place as the third largest white varietal sold 353 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: in food stores the new Darling white wine. Uh. Meanwhile, 354 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: back to labeling issues um in. In two thousand and seven, 355 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: the International Reasoning Foundation UM formed out of Washington State 356 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: with a goal of scientifically standardizing how reasonings are categorized 357 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: from dry to medium, dry to medium, sweet to sweet. 358 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: According to ahem um, the ratio of grams of acid 359 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: per lead, two grams of sugar per leader, and the 360 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: total pH level so um so, a ratio of point 361 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: one or us is considered dry, four point one and 362 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: above is considered sweet the other in between, As you 363 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: might imagine, um and a lower pH level that is 364 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: more acid, can can drag a wine dryer, while a 365 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: high pH level meaning less acid can push it sweeter. 366 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: Um so so yes, Uh. It kind of reminds me 367 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: of sister sizing and bras, you know, you know that 368 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: thing where like if your band size goes up there 369 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: like oh well, you're not a you're not a a 370 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: D cup. Now you're a sea cup or like whatever 371 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, because your band size went up. So 372 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: that's that's how that's short. That's maybe that's I mean, yes, 373 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: I understand that. I think both areas are confusing, is 374 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, although these tend to be from 375 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: from what I understand anyway, Um, these tend to be 376 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: conversational terms that you might discuss like a server or 377 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: a wine shop human, or see in a review of 378 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: a wine. Um. I couldn't quite sus out whether these 379 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: are things that American winemakers are including as label information 380 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: or not. So here you go. Well, we've got a 381 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: lot of label questions. That's what I'm doing. We clearly 382 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: did this. So listeners, if you've got like a surefire 383 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: method tips for understanding a wine label, if you're involved 384 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: in the wine industry, we would love to hear from you. 385 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:37,239 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. Um. In the meanwhile, we do 386 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: have some listener mail for you from humans who have 387 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: already written in. But first we've got one more quick 388 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: break for word from our sponsors. And we're back. Thank you, sponsors, Yes, 389 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: thank you, we're back with nice crisp spring morning. Yes, 390 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: all right, Sean wrote, I just started your sas Rock episode, 391 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: and Annie mentioned she makes grocery list sorted by where 392 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: in the story you find things correct. I'm moved away 393 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: from Tennessee a long time ago, and since Christmas is 394 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: so close to Thanksgiving, I don't usually go back for Thanksgiving. 395 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: It's not really Thanksgiving for me, though, unless I have 396 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: my Mom's sweet potato casserole, my Granny Hall's cornbread dressing 397 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: spiced up like Granny Campbell liked though, or my Aunt 398 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: Carol's broccoli bread and seven layers salad. Since I make 399 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: pretty much the same seven or eight things each year, 400 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: I put my grocery list in a spreadsheet years ago. Yes, yes, 401 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: back in two thousand seven. I uploaded it to Google Drive, 402 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: where it lives to this day. I've attached it as 403 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 1: a pdf. Not sure if you can get googled dog 404 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: there um, and thought you might get to get out 405 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: of looking at it. I also found a spreadsheet from 406 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: one year where I had my Thanksgiving cooking schedule planned out. 407 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: Also a tip for your listeners. My grandmother rarely used 408 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: a recipe, but I find I need them to remember everything. 409 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: I started writing her recipes down years ago. I also 410 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: wrote down my mom's and scanned all of their cookbooks. 411 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: My mom and grandparents have since passed, but I have 412 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: all of the recipes, which for me, keeps a small 413 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: part of them here. Everything is in the clouds I 414 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: can easily share with relatives and friends as well. Oh 415 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: that's wonderful. That is That is I think we don't 416 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: for a lot of us, you know, when you're talking 417 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: about like memories of people. We these food memories are 418 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: so important, but if you don't have the recipe, they 419 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: can get lost. So I think that's hugely important. And 420 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: my mom I had the same thing with her who 421 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: we also She and I also have schedules of like 422 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and when you have to cook the like when 423 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: you have to put it in the other when you 424 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: just start the oven, when you have to do like 425 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: we have. Um, and I asked her, I was like, 426 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: we need to write down these recipes because I get 427 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: people asking for them occasionally and I would just like 428 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,239 Speaker 1: to have them, uh, just in case. So that's a 429 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: project that we've endeavored to undertake as well. Uh. And 430 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad to have these written records. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, 431 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: I UM right. There were there were a few recipes 432 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: after my mother passed that I was convinced that the 433 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: family had lost and I was like blogging back in 434 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: the day when I had a food blog, as everyone 435 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: else did. I was blogging about how sad I was 436 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: at this one cake recipe was lost in My grandmother, 437 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: who I did not know was reading the blog, called men, 438 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: was like, I have your mom's recipe box and I 439 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: was like, oh uh um, anyway, so no, no, but 440 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: what would wuld is brilliant, um, And I'm so glad 441 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: that I have that. And right I've been meaning to 442 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: get ahold of a scanner and digitize some of these things, um, 443 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: and and maybe even translated into you know, not my 444 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: family's handwritten records because they are sometimes a little indiscernible. 445 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: My mom's dressipees are so sweet. They have to I 446 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: think I've said this before, but they have notes and 447 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: they're like put in a pinch of cinnamon if you 448 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: want sweet. Oh wow. Yeah, And like I don't know, 449 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: and right, like I feel like I should pour through 450 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: like my my dad's cookbooks and find like the weird 451 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: pages that he's earmarked and stuff like that. And yeah, 452 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: just just looking into looking into all of that, um. 453 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: Heck uh. Speaking of family members, my cousin Elizabeth wrote 454 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: in mango is on latex fruit allergy list, which I 455 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: didn't know about until I was in a nursing school 456 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: and realized all the fruit I refused to eat as 457 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: a child were on that list. Annie, be careful near 458 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: that rabbit hole. It's as slippery as Alice's in Wonderland. 459 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've covered that before, but I 460 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: find it curiouser and curiouser. Black pudding or blood pudding 461 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: like horsemeat. Living in Italy is definitely something I have 462 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: to accept that I have eaten, even if I wouldn't 463 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: have chosen it given the choice. Uh. In response to 464 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: the listener male regarding pizza flavors, it's definitely true Stephen, 465 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: my other cousin to whom she is married too. And 466 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: I ate Chinese food in China or you know food. 467 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: And the only time in ten days we got sick 468 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: was in Shanghai eating Papa John's. It was pepperoni ish, 469 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: but everything was slightly wrong. I lived in Naples, Italy, 470 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: birthplace they say of the modern pizza, and their Pizza 471 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: Americana was tomato sauce mazzarella, so far so good hot 472 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: dogs and for wrench fries. My favorite was Pizza Diavola 473 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: Devil's Pizza, very spicy shredded salami. My runner up was 474 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: white sauce, mozzarella, sweet corn, shredded ham, and a rugula 475 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: um strangely sweet, tangy, bitter and delicious. It's called pizza 476 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: mimosa after the flowers given on International Day of the 477 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: Woman Happy Belated. Regarding Annie's rising bread problem, may I 478 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: recommend Chicken Imperial. Lauren's aunt Cathy introduced me to it, 479 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: and it is in the words of Liz Lemon, the Business. 480 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: Speaking of Lauren's family, her youngest cousin likes to listen 481 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: to savor with me. You get him drooling. I always 482 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: tell him, that's your cousin. Teddy asks if you can 483 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: please do something about the history of baby food. His 484 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: favorite food is kale weirdo and his breakfast of almond butter, oatmeal, cinnamon, ginger, 485 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: and nutmeg. He'd like to know which brands his mother 486 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: can trust for prefab food, and why they are heavy 487 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: metals in baby food and what heavy metals are. He's 488 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: only nine months, there's not much he knows yet keep 489 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: up the great work and the tangents. I relived the 490 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: Scrabble dictionary discussion with Stephen. He had some pretty Papa 491 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 1: John based opinions, as he had imagined, Lauren, I grew 492 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: up in a If you need a tile, I'll give 493 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: it to you. Blasphemy family. Oh uh. To clarify one 494 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: point here, the Papa John in question is the name 495 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: of my grant, or the name that we called my grandfather. Um. 496 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: Not not related to the pizza, although we're all tickled 497 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: but that there's this pizza place called Papa John's. But 498 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: but yeah, no, we as I believe I mentioned the 499 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: last time we brought it up. I have some very 500 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: serious scrabble players in my family. Yeah, yeah, it sounds intense. Yeah. 501 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: I thought I was terrible at scrabble, but I'm just 502 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: worse than like Stephen and Aunt Sandy, which there's nothing 503 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: wrong with. Well, yeah, I'm glad that you've learned. You know, 504 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: hopefully you've played other games and had success. It's it's 505 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: it's fine, it's it does. It does get very we 506 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: we can be very competitive. No, I don't think that's true. 507 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,399 Speaker 1: You've never you've never seen that. No, no, no, no, no, no, No, 508 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: that doesn't sound right at all. Oh my goodness, oh goodness, 509 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: thank you so much for writing in. That's so that's 510 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: so delightful. I'm always I'm always so like like like 511 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: pleased but shocked when people I know listen to the show. 512 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm like a purpose like you guys, wait, but yeah, 513 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: totally aerious. And also these pizzas, you know, I'm intrigued. 514 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: I think listeners want. I want to hear all of 515 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: the pizzas you've tried. Yes, what I do? I love 516 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: arugula on a pizza. I mean I love a rugela 517 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: in general. Um see above, Rebidder is my favorite flavor. 518 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,800 Speaker 1: But like, I just think it's so nice, so nice. Yeah, 519 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: I me too, agreed. Agreed. Um well. In the meantime, 520 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: thanks to both of these listeners for writing in. If 521 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: you would like to write to us pizza topics or otherwise, 522 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: we would love to hear from you. Our email is 523 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: Hello at savor pod dot com. You can also find 524 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: us on social media on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. We 525 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: are at savor pod and we do hope to hear 526 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: from you. Savor is production of I Heart Radio. For 527 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: more podcasts for my Heart Radio, you can visit the 528 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 529 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows. 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