1 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: It was Wednesday, September tenth. At eight twenty nine mountain time, 2 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: a suspect arrived on the campus of Utah Valley University. 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: He was caught on surveillance camera driving a gray Dodge Challenger. 4 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: At eleven forty nine am mountain time, the same suspect 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: can be seen on home surveillance camera about a quarter 6 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: a mile away from the shooting site. At noon, a 7 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: speech was scheduled to start in the courtyard of Utah 8 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: Valley University and the speaker was Charlie Kirk. At twelve 9 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: twenty three pm mountain time, Charlie Kirk is shot. The 10 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: suspected shooter can be seen on video on the roof. 11 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: He jumps off the roof and flees the area. By 12 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: twelve twenty four dispatch describes the person on the roof 13 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: as having a long gun a rifle. By twelve thirty 14 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: nine pm, the FBI and the Chief of Police were 15 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: onseen now, y'all, that's a sixteen minute response time. By 16 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: two thirty seven PM, officers were already searching about a 17 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: quarter mile north of campus. By two forty pm, President 18 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: Trump announces that mister Kirk has died. Thursday, September the eleventh, 19 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: at nine forty eight am, the FBI releases photos of 20 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: the person of interest. By ten forty five am, they 21 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: are offering one hundred thousand dollars reward. By five point thirty, 22 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: the FBI director is unseen. By six point fifteen, a 23 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: new photo is released. On September the twelfth. That morning, 24 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: Trump announces a suspect is in custody. We found out 25 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: later he was actually taken into custody the night before, 26 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: but they waited until the morning to announce it. Tonight, 27 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: we have longtime Zone seven friend and expert Jim Rathman. 28 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: Y'all knowing he's an expert in weapons, he's an expert 29 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: in combat training. He is a retired United States Secret 30 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: Service agent. He understands assassinations, he understands protecting people. There's 31 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: nobody better to walk us through this crime, how it occurred, 32 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: and what we might be looking at in the future. Jim, 33 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on Zone seven so 34 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: quickly to talk about this case. 35 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. It's it's doing 36 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: an honor to be able to come on your show 37 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: and be able to catch up with you and to 38 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: be able to talk about these things with your audience, 39 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: and I look forward to this discussion, even though the topic. 40 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 3: Is very sad. 41 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: It is sad, and I'll tell you, you know, I'm 42 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: one of those people, and I know you are, But 43 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: the first Amendment, I'm going to defend your right to 44 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: say whatever you want to say. 45 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: That that is correct. You know, I don't know where 46 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: it's been lost over the years to where people can 47 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: are so objective to you being able to have your 48 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: free speech or to be able to kind of think 49 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 3: and have your own beliefs. I feel like if it's 50 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: gotten to a point now where if you don't believe 51 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: what it is that I say, what my side is, 52 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 3: then we're going to have a problem. And it's unfortunately 53 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: turning into a physical issue or even the worst case scenario, 54 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: which what we're seeing now, which is murder. And I 55 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: don't understand how we've gotten here. 56 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to let you take it from when 57 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: you got the news to maybe when you saw a 58 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: video or two. And I know you and I have 59 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: already talked about it, but I'll just say from my 60 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: point of view, the very first video I saw was 61 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: a young man way in the back elevated and he 62 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: was surrounded by friends, and you hear the shot. Every 63 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: single young man around him they all turned around. So 64 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: I knew immediately where the shot came from. And as 65 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: I got more information, there seems to be some copycat 66 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: factors here. Jim, I'm gonna let you take it from 67 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: when you first learned about it, how you started analyzing 68 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: the assassination. 69 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: At the time, I was driving. I was on the 70 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 3: interstate and the news alert came across and said that 71 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 3: Charlie kirk I had been shot. So shortly after that, 72 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: I started getting messages from from friends and just random 73 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: people that I that I know that were trying to 74 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: know what I if I had any inside scoop as 75 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: to what was going on and what my thoughts were. 76 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: So I pulled over started seeing the videos. I had 77 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 3: a few of them coming through my phone. The first 78 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 3: one I saw was actually the uh the close up one, 79 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: which you know, you could obviously tell that his carotait 80 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 3: artery was hit and you pretty much know that that's 81 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 3: a mortal wound at that point. But much like you, 82 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 3: I started looking around to other videos, and I started 83 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: seeing videos and people where people were looking. That gives 84 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: you a clear indication of where it's going to come from, 85 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: because you know, it's not just the sound or the 86 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: pop of the firearm going off, it's also the you know, 87 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: as it's gonna wizz past people, they're going to know 88 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 3: where it came from and you're gonna hear it. You know, 89 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: bullet is does that as it zips right past you. 90 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: So it would have passed over all that crowd and 91 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: then start looking and kind it's sign to analyze where 92 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 3: the impact. To me, it looked like it may have 93 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: hit his chest. To me, it looked like it was 94 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: coming from the front. Now, whether it hit a microphone 95 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 3: or hit something that he had so the audience can 96 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: hear and reflect it up into the CARATEID I'm not 97 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 3: one hundred percent sure. Well, obviously that's what the autopsy 98 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 3: is going to really determine. But that's what it looked 99 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: like to me. So that's what I first initially thought. 100 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: But much like you, I was looking at the crowd. 101 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 3: Where's the crowd looking? That's going to lead you to 102 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 3: where the shooting more likely happened. The shooter is. 103 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: Did you think it was a professional hit. 104 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 3: I never thought it was a professional hit. The reason 105 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 3: for that is, you know, the videos were also coming 106 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 3: out of a person on the roof. And the reason, 107 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 3: you know, I had a lot of people questioning, like, oh, 108 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: we hit a three x three area of the croated. 109 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 3: At no time in any of my training, any of 110 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: my friends' trainings that have trained and fire arms with 111 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: any capacity, are you ever taught to aim for the 112 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: neck or much less headshots. You always aim center mass 113 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 3: because you have you know, it's it's it's the biggest 114 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: area of target to be able to hit. Uh, And 115 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: that's what you're always taught because even if you miss 116 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 3: a little bit, you're still going to hit your target. 117 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: So that's why you're taught to center mass. But in 118 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: addition to that, you know, everybody's like, no, no, no, 119 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: he hit They hit a karate they hit it was 120 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: a three by three. You knew exactly what they were doing. 121 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: And again know that to me a few things said 122 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: and experienced one doing the shot from the open roof. Now, 123 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: I don't want to give a whole bunch of of 124 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: hips to people in the future because I don't want 125 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: this to ever happen again. But a trained sniper or 126 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: somebody that's trained in this and you know, as they 127 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: want to team it, a professional is not going to 128 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: do it on the top of a roof top. They're 129 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: either going to be further back or to be somewhere 130 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: where it's shat it stated, and you know, so that 131 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: way it's darker, you can conceal yourself more. So there's 132 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 3: a lot of little things. Uh, you know, being on 133 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: top of a roof, did it make a whole lot 134 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: of sense? You're you're very much exposed. So that wasn't 135 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 3: a well thought out plan and it was relatively sloppily done. 136 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: No, I agree with you, And I want to talk 137 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: a little bit about when I say copycat, I'm really 138 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: interested in his internet searches. There are similarities to me 139 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: from the attempted assassination on Trump, meaning the rooftop outdoor 140 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: in the middle of a speech with a crowd of 141 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: people that are there for them, with the scope rifle 142 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: and a backpack, drove himself there, scoped it out. You know, beforehand, 143 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: he planned it. He knew where the victim would be. Well, 144 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: then he takes a little bit from the CEO in 145 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: New York where he's you know, got a backpack. Again, 146 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: he knew where the victim was going to be again, 147 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: and you know, he starts putting, you know, writings on 148 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: these casings. So that's an unusual thing that we're seeing now. 149 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: But again it's a coffeecat. He didn't think to do that. 150 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: And then the strangest thing, if he really did research assassinations, 151 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: if you look at doctor King and President Kennedy, in 152 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: both of those assassinations, the rifle was left behind. I 153 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: just think that's odd. I think that's a weird element 154 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: to your point, I think it's sloppy. I mean, we 155 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: got his DNA, they got it confirmed within forty eight hours. 156 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: I mean, that's to me, there's just too many similarities 157 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: to other big events. It seems like to me he 158 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: took on what he wanted. What is your thought? 159 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think there's a lot of 160 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: copycat going on here, whether it's the rooftop you know, 161 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,239 Speaker 3: like what happened with President Trump during the summer in Butler, Pennsylvania, 162 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: to the CEO of shooting there in New York where 163 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 3: you're riding on casings. I think there's a lot of 164 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: time that he spent on planning the assassination itself, but 165 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: lack of planning on how to get away with it, 166 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: and I'm grateful that he didn't put or none of 167 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 3: these people have put a whole lot of planning into 168 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 3: that because they've been able to be helped, you know, 169 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 3: to get justice for victims. But in this particular case here, 170 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: there's a few things that are odd to me. You know, 171 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: it's not just the fact that he fired off the shot, 172 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: it's the escape. And I think with this particular shooter, 173 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 3: when he jumped down from that roof, to me, it 174 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 3: looked like he rolled his ankle or injured himself in 175 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 3: some sort of capacity. And I think with the adrenaline 176 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 3: going on after just firing the shot and trying to escape, 177 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: was enough for him to get off the campus and 178 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 3: into that wooded area where he disposed of the rifle. 179 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 3: But I think the pain may have been increasing as 180 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: he was moving towards that wooded area, and it really 181 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: wasn't his plan to ditch the rifle. He ended up 182 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 3: ditching the rifle because he was slowing him down. And 183 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 3: you know, that's just been a thought of mine. I 184 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: don't know if you guys have seen that or if 185 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: you saw that too. When he jumped off the roof, 186 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 3: but he looked injured. 187 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: Oh no, I agree, no doubt. And I didn't know 188 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: where the tile came from. I didn't know if it 189 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: was something that he already had with him, something he 190 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: saw and thought, hey, I can hide this thing and 191 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: maybe nobody will see it. But again, for him just 192 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: to casually go up a stairwell and then jump off 193 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: a roof, I don't think that was well thought out. 194 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: I don't. 195 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: I don't think it was all thought out plan. I 196 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: think it was more of a panic mode and I 197 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 3: need to get away. He left the screwdriver on top 198 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: of the roof. On top of that, you know, the 199 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: video got him jumping off of the roof, hiding it 200 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 3: in the woods and then being able to cut through neighborhoods. 201 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: You know, really wasn't And again I don't think the 202 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 3: ditching of the rifle in the woods was really his plan. 203 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: I think he was injured and as the pain was, 204 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: you know, setting in, as he's getting further away from 205 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: the scene, he had to ditch the rifle because he's 206 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: eventually going to get stopped. Their questions with him being 207 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 3: slowed down to what happened, and that may have been 208 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 3: one of his reasons for ditching that rifle there where 209 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: he did, and. 210 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: That could be the same thing the King assassination scene 211 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: as well as President Kennedy. I mean, you have planned 212 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: this thing, You've thought it through, you've run it through 213 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: your head. Now that it's actually happened, you've got people screaming, 214 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: you've got people running. You know, you put that weapon 215 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: down and brace it up against the wall. You know there, 216 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: it's going to be in the school book depository there, 217 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: it's going to be in the boarding house. So it 218 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: could very well be like you're saying, is just your 219 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: mind is now in fifty thousand different directions because you've 220 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: done the thing you've only been thinking about. 221 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: Well, you have those physiological responses. It's a lot of 222 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 3: soldiers get that in combat. You know, you get those 223 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: physiological changes that fight or flight kicks in. You know, 224 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 3: you're no longer thinking about it, you actually put it 225 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 3: to plan or you know, same with the crowd. I 226 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: mean they went through those physiological changes as well. They 227 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 3: hear the shot coming, they're scared, fight or flight. You run, 228 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 3: some stay, some want to fight. Same thing with the shooter. 229 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: He fired off that shot. Now the adrenaline kicks in. 230 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: Now he's in flight mode. I got to get out 231 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: of here, and so that ability to be able to 232 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: think clearly in those moments goes away, and you're just 233 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: reacting at that point for the shooter. And I'm glad 234 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 3: that he left evan spot, and I'm glad that he 235 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 3: hurt himself jumping off that roof, because and that is 236 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 3: if he hurt himself. But I think that's what led 237 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 3: to the rifle being ditched. And I think that, you know, 238 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 3: it was that panic that left a lot of of 239 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 3: DNA evidence and other evidence for us to collect to 240 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: be able to hold him accountable for the murder of Charlie. 241 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: Kirk agreed, And you know, when he gets to wherever 242 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: he's headed and he's kind of in a quiet place, 243 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: he immediately now goes to social media, which so many 244 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: killers do, and then he's talking to a group of 245 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: people that know him. They know what he looks like, 246 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: they know how he's been acting the last several months, 247 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: the things he's been saying, and he literally says, Hey, 248 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: did y'all hear about this? That guy looks like my doppelganger, right, Yeah. 249 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 3: I saw that, And you know, I think he wanted 250 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 3: that gratification from some people to know, like, he did this, 251 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: but he doesn't really want people to know he did it, 252 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: but he kind of does want people to know he 253 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: did it, so he's kind of playing that game like, Oh, 254 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: it looks like me, but it's not me. But if 255 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 3: it was me, now this just one of those kind 256 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: of disgusting, delusional thought processes. 257 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: He made an admission on that same social media that, hey, y'all, 258 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: it is me, sorry for everything. I'm going to turn 259 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: myself in with a family friend that's in law enforcement. 260 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: What's really powerful about that, if it turns out to 261 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: be true, is that was without law enforcement. He made 262 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: that on his own. 263 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 3: You know, what a what a crazy position it's in 264 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: to be in to be that the the suspect's father 265 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 3: and the family and those that realize that, wait a minute, 266 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 3: this is my child. And you know a lot of 267 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: times there are you could ask people these questions, and 268 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 3: there's some people that say, no, I would I would 269 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: cover for my son, or I would I would do 270 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 3: it they could to help them get away with it. 271 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: There's other people like, heck, no, you did the crime. 272 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: You do the time, you know, you really you could 273 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: ask that question hypothetically, but this parent was actually in 274 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: that position and their morals kicked in and it was 275 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 3: what you did was wrong, and you need to be 276 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 3: held accountable and you need to turn yourself in and 277 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 3: to go through the pastor to get a hold of 278 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 3: law enforcement or however, I've heard multiple different ways about 279 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 3: how it got too law enforcement, the fact that he 280 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: confided in his father, then the father turned in his 281 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: own son. I can't imagine how difficult that is as 282 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 3: a parent. But at the same time, I agree, and 283 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: you know, it's a difficult situation to be in. And 284 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 3: I know people are like, well did they get the 285 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars reward? How about guarantee you that father 286 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 3: does not care about that hundred thousand dollar reward because 287 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 3: more than one family was destroyed that day, you know 288 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: the shooters. You know, not only is Charlie Kirk Samley destroyed, 289 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 3: but so is the shooters. You know, their lives will 290 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: that will be the same. The father's life will never 291 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 3: be the same. 292 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: I mean, he's got two younger brothers. I don't know 293 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: how you send them back to school or around the 294 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: neighborhood or anything. I mean, you're you are not overstating 295 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: that more than one family was destroyed that day, no 296 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: doubt about it. And you know what's so crazy. Let's 297 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: just take the father right, So he sees this photograph, 298 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: he knows his child well. He also knows teachers are 299 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: going to recognizing friends, are going to recognizing neighbors, are 300 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: going to recognizing other family members, cousins, aunts, uncles, They're 301 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: going to recognize him. In one way. If you can 302 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: get to him, you may save his life. Because I 303 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: thought he may go somewhere and take his own lot. 304 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: But he and his dad connected for and I think 305 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: that probably saved his life. Now I agree, he's got 306 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: an answer for what he did. But these parents sometimes 307 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: try to protect thinking I can insulate everybody knows. Everybody 308 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: already knows they're seeing the same thing you're seeing. 309 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 3: You know, it's I had the same thoughts you did 310 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 3: on that. I thought for sure, when they would catch 311 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 3: the shooter, they would find the shooter, but there would 312 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 3: be death by suicide with an explanation for why they 313 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 3: did it, or maybe not even leave an explanation, just 314 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 3: leaving for pure mystery. That's what I was thinking was 315 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: going to happen. But I agree with you. I think 316 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 3: the father realizing and knowing, but at least having that 317 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 3: much of a relationship with a son to be able 318 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 3: to talk to him, to get him to confide in them, 319 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 3: to admit to what had happened, but then doing the 320 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 3: right thing and having him turned in to authorities. I 321 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 3: do think that saved his life. It's a terrible, unfortunate situation, 322 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 3: but I agree with what my father did. 323 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: As devastating, as unbearable as that has to be. But 324 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: I mean, I just think in that moment, you have 325 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: very few options if your son is going to survive. Now, 326 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: you know one thing that just drives me crazy. You 327 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 1: and I talked about both attempts on President Trump's life, 328 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: the one where he's given the speech and the shooters 329 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: on the roof. I mean, a forty dollars drone would 330 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: have signaled that person was there. I do not understand 331 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: why drones are not being used, even by campus police. 332 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 3: I completely agree with you that I think the drones 333 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: could definitely help. But what I've found in both of 334 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 3: those situations just as lack of physical security as well. 335 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 3: I mean, he only had six campus police officers, he 336 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 3: only had his personal security attachment that was around him, 337 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: but there was nothing to expand that out. And I 338 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: think if you're going to have a large crowd of 339 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 3: a major figure such as him, who brings in thousands 340 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: of people, I mean, he was a well known public figure, 341 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 3: why they wouldn't have more beefed up security. I think 342 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: it's just to the point now where you're gonna have 343 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 3: big events, you have to have metal detectors. But again, 344 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 3: you know, the lack of security is the issue, and 345 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 3: you know that was the same thing that happened in Butler, Pennsylvania. Yeah, 346 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 3: there was some secret service and there was some local 347 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 3: law enforcement, but there wasn't enough and they didn't they 348 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 3: you know, some steps were skipped, as you know now 349 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: that they've actually you know, put some people on suspension 350 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 3: and things like that. But you know, in this case, 351 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 3: they had they had nothing. They had nothing on the roof, 352 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 3: they had nothing security in the high ground, they had 353 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 3: no funnel system to create to have people go through magnetometers. 354 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 3: There's no reason why the campus police only had six 355 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 3: people there. And if it's not the campus police is 356 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: issue that you know. I do believe that the security 357 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: detail for Charlie Kirk could have fired off duty police 358 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 3: officers to work the event, and you know, maybe they 359 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: didn't take the threat level serious enough, but they definitely 360 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: could have taken a lot more countermeasures to secure the venue. 361 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: And I just think that's the way it needs to 362 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 3: go in the future. That any major public figure is 363 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 3: going to go and do any type of public speaking 364 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 3: in the open like that, you have to take the 365 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 3: necessary steps to secure it and make sure that you're safe. 366 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 3: But it's not just the principle itself that needs to 367 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 3: be safe. It's all persons that show up to the 368 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 3: event need to know that they're going to be safe 369 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 3: as well. 370 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: There's been two attempts on President Trump's life, two congressmen 371 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: have been killed, Charlie Kirk has now been killed, There's 372 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: been other events that, to me, you just can't ignore. 373 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: There's a trend right now period. Every threat needs to 374 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: be taken seriously. 375 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 3: I think it's no longer just air coming out of 376 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 3: somebody's mouth. I think there's a lot of ill intent 377 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 3: behind those words and people are actually acting on it, 378 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 3: and it's now time that we need to counteract that 379 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 3: and prevent it the best that we can. You know, 380 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: it's I don't really understand just because you disagree with 381 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: somebody on the other side, whether it's politics or religion, 382 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: or sex and gender, whatever those hot topics are, you 383 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 3: can have a difference of opinion. It doesn't mean that 384 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 3: that person needs to lose their life over it. And 385 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 3: I find it utterly disgusting. I do. I find it 386 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: to be utterly disgusting that people were celebrating this man 387 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 3: losing his life for going out and having talks with people. 388 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 3: He's making you aware, he's allowing you a platform to speak, 389 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 3: and I don't agree with people celebrating that. I find 390 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 3: it to be the most disgusting thing. And maybe social 391 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 3: media these days, and you know, people are hiding behind 392 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 3: us that the keyboard and their phones and you know, 393 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 3: feel like they can just post whatever they want whenever 394 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 3: they want and not realize the reapercussions that come with it. 395 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: But to the hate and the vile, it's disgusting. I 396 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: think a lot of people need to find that moral 397 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 3: compass and figure out who they are and where they're 398 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 3: lacking in their own lives to be able to go 399 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 3: and celebrate. To me, I would be just upset if 400 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 3: it was somebody on the complete other side of this. 401 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 3: You know, nobody should ever lose their life first speaking 402 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 3: and talking and what is a constitutional right? 403 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: I don't care who it is. I'll be very clear. 404 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't care what religion, what sexual orientation, I don't 405 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: care what the speech is. Give it. I will stand 406 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: there and be a champion for you to be able 407 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: to say whatever it is. And that's why this is 408 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: not a political show. This is about a murder that 409 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: a whole lot of people witnessed in person and a 410 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: whole lot more witnessed online. So it doesn't matter if 411 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: you're a fan. There's an old saying in you know, 412 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: when we did our trauma training, it says, kill one 413 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: fright in a thousand. Well, it's almost like if they're 414 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: trying to silence somebody, if they're trying to silence anybody, 415 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: it's not okay. It's not okay. And again, political assassinations 416 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: nothing new, y'all. I just listed the ones in my lifetime, 417 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: but that ain't the only ones. And you know, if 418 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: this is something that you think should be celebrated, who 419 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: is on your list? Who is it you admire, who 420 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: is it you want to listen to talk? If they 421 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: had been assassinated, how would you feel, you. 422 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 3: Know, at the end of the day too, it's like 423 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 3: you might silence that one particular person, but you you 424 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 3: open up the voice for so many others. And I 425 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 3: think in this particular case, and I've heard this many 426 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 3: a time since, you may have taken out the Charlie Kirk, 427 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 3: but you just created thousands upon thousands of new Charlie Kirks, 428 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: you know. And that's the way it works on both sides. 429 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 3: And again, that moral compass needs to need to come 430 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 3: into play at some point. People need to really find 431 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 3: out who they are and what they believe in or 432 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 3: find you know, their religion or their peace or whatever 433 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: it is. But at the end of the day, killing 434 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 3: anybody else is just it's disgusting. But the celebrated is 435 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 3: just as bad, you know. And you know, another topic 436 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 3: two I'd kind of like to bring up, if you 437 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 3: don't mind, Eryl, is I think it's I think it's 438 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 3: very dangerous with some of these people that are coming 439 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: out that are constantly on these conspiracy theories of who 440 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: did what and how they did it, and you know, 441 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 3: analyzing vis and saying well look at this here and 442 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 3: look at this there. I mean, I saw one earlier 443 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 3: today they're like, oh, look at this person behind him 444 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 3: and off to the side, And you know, you have 445 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 3: to have some sort of common sense into what they're 446 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 3: trying to put out there for their clickbaits or whatever 447 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 3: they're doing. You know, it's nobody's reviewed what the autopsy 448 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 3: as there was an autopsy, I guarantee you they obviously 449 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 3: went and some pathologists reviewed where the entringe agent. That's 450 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 3: part of the homicide file. So someone obviously did that. 451 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 3: You know, they're they're just going on with what they 452 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 3: think and what they believe, and they're really not They 453 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 3: have no facts, they have no experience, and what they're 454 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 3: saying is so much garbage, and they're just polluting people's minds. 455 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 3: So you're already taking a bad situation and now you're 456 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 3: putting gasoline on it, making it even worse. And I 457 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 3: think that's a very dangerous road that we're going on. 458 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 3: I don't know how many times you've seen it in 459 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 3: the last week of just the amount of just. 460 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: God, I'll give you one, this is my favorite. He 461 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: had to be an expert, right, that's the first one, 462 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: complete trash. Then the next group he didn't know what 463 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: he was doing, but look at the guy behind Charlie 464 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: giving him hand signals. Okay, hold on a minute, Hold 465 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: on a minute. I'm gonna stand behind the victim and 466 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm telling you that boy don't know how to shoot, 467 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: but I'm going to I'm going to give him the 468 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: hand signal when to go and pray he don't hit me. 469 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: Get out of here. 470 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 3: Sense if you know so what's going to fire a 471 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 3: shot and you're that close to you really trust that person? Like, 472 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 3: do I really know how well you shoot from a 473 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: couple hundred yards away? No shot at no chance is 474 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 3: that ever going to happen? And and and if I 475 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 3: may speak on this too, I know a lot of 476 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 3: people are giving that the person directly behind him. And 477 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 3: then there's the person in the white hat who adjusted 478 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: his hat and scratched his face. They're trying to be like, oh, 479 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: he's wiggling on his ear and giving signals. There's another 480 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 3: video from behind the person with the white hat, and 481 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 3: you can see him adjust his hat and then he 482 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 3: scratched his face. But if you watch videos for a 483 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,479 Speaker 3: few minutes, he acted scratched his face a few times 484 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 3: throughout that so it wasn't like that was the only 485 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: time he scratched his face. The other thing is is 486 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 3: the personal security guard that was directly behind selling Kirk, 487 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 3: that was the one that moved up and started touching 488 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: his arm. We don't know what he's come out yet, 489 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 3: and said, we don't know exactly what he saw. What 490 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 3: I do know is that security personnels, they all wearing 491 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 3: the earpiece, are communicating. So sometimes you give handed arm 492 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 3: signals to signify signal to the others out there, I'm good, 493 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 3: where I'm at, or waybe they saw something on the 494 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 3: rooftop and he had already signaled to somebody else and 495 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 3: he steps forward just point to his arm to say, hey, 496 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: armed person rooftop, you don't know what that is. They 497 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 3: have to operate in a way that isn't going to 498 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 3: freak out the entire public. I guarantee you that that 499 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 3: guy standing behind Charlie Kirk knew that that was a 500 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 3: shooter on that roof Tarli Kirk would have been off 501 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 3: that stage so fast he. 502 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: Would have tackled him off that chair exactly. 503 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 3: And you know they give go to concerts, go to 504 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 3: live events and watch you will see these personnel. The 505 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 3: security personnel will communicate with handed arm signals. That is 506 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 3: a common practice and personal security. So for them to 507 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 3: go out there and be like, oh, he's signaling for 508 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 3: the shooter. Okay, man, do you really want to be 509 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 3: three feet away from the guy shooting two hundred yards? Agay? 510 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: When he's got him locked is when he goes not 511 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: your hand signal, because if you watch Charlie Kirk, he 512 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: leans up at one point. I don't know if he's 513 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: reaching for I don't remember if he's reaching for the 514 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: microphone or if he's putting something down like he moves. 515 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: So the shooter's waiting on him to get he needs 516 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: him to be before he makes that shot. Period into story. 517 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 3: You know, the other part in regards to the shooter 518 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 3: talking about him if he was a professional not a professional. Again, 519 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 3: nowhere throughout my training or any of the training of 520 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 3: those that I know that have done it, done it 521 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 3: in world world experience, has done it in combat things 522 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 3: like that. Were you ever trained outside of the centro mask? 523 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 3: You know? And then I've heard people be like, well 524 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 3: two hundred yards, you know, two hundred yards is such 525 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 3: a crazy shot. Not with a scope, it's not a 526 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 3: crazy shot. And not to mention. Then people are like 527 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: what about the angle. So for those that aren't familiar 528 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 3: with it, angle really doesn't come into play until you're 529 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: more than thirty degrees. So for a two hundred yard shot, 530 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 3: looking you know, second story, third story, and you're shooting there, 531 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 3: most people will what we refer to as zeroing in 532 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 3: your rifle, So you are dialing it in at a 533 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 3: certain distance. Right, So let's say most people will do 534 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: one hundred yards. Some might be further than that, but 535 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 3: we'll just do one hundred yards. It's a two hundred 536 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 3: yard shot. The most you're going to be off of 537 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 3: your target is about an inch, maybe a little more, 538 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: maybe an inch and a half at most, you know, 539 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,479 Speaker 3: because of the distance and where you're zeroed at. So 540 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 3: for those that sit there and say, you know, this 541 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 3: is such a difficult shot and had to be a professional, 542 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 3: he had to aim for the karate I guarantee that 543 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: wasn't what happened. It just needs to stop, and they 544 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,719 Speaker 3: need to wait for the official information. But my goodness, 545 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 3: why don't why don't we wait for the corners report 546 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: to come out that'll talk about the entrance and exit wound. 547 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 3: Very well could have hit something on him and it 548 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 3: ricocheted up. We don't really know yet, but we will 549 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 3: know in time. And let the investigators work. But stop 550 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 3: with this propaganda and for clicks on social media putting 551 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,479 Speaker 3: out all this false information. Everything's a conspiracy. I might 552 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 3: have heard it all from this was Israel all the 553 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 3: way to professional hits to It needs to stop. There's 554 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 3: a family out there that's suffering right now, and there's 555 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 3: so much bologna out there. About ninety percent of what 556 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 3: I've heard is just nonsense. 557 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: And let's bragg a law enforcement, not only for the 558 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: federal government. Was there a sixteen minute response time? They 559 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: had seven thousand tips that first day, seven thousand to 560 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: wade through while they have an active scene, while they 561 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: have an active man hunt, and local and state and 562 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: federal it appears to me worked seamlessly together. 563 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 3: They did an amazing job. I mean that a sixteen 564 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 3: minute response time the federal government that's not even on 565 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 3: scene is impressive. I don't think they've responded that's probably 566 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 3: since nine to eleven. That's pretty incredible to be on 567 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 3: there that quickly after a shooting like this. I thought 568 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 3: they did it very good job. The only thing I 569 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 3: wish they would have done a little bit cleaner was 570 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 3: not come out and say they got the shooter right 571 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 3: out of the gate or even later on that day. 572 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 3: I think they I wish they would have waited until 573 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 3: they knew that they had everything correct before they announced 574 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,479 Speaker 3: that they had somebody in custody, as unfortunately they give 575 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 3: us false hoaps twice on that. That'd be about the 576 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 3: only flaw I would find Other than that. I think 577 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 3: they all worked wonderfully together with the communications to you know, God, 578 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 3: going through all the information, all the tips, and getting 579 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 3: to the bottom of it so quickly. For public safety 580 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 3: as well. I thought they did an incredible. 581 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: Job me too. And you know, I didn't know if 582 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: they were saying that because there was somebody that they 583 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: wanted to go back to social media, see it wasn't me. 584 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know if they were trying to draw somebody 585 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: out or if that was, you know, to kind of 586 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: jumping the gun. I didn't know which it was. 587 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 3: Well, I actually first thought when they had somebody and 588 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 3: then they released them, and then there's another person interviewed, 589 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 3: and really I started to think at that point that 590 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,959 Speaker 3: there's more than one person potentially involved in and I 591 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 3: still feel that there may have been some people that 592 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 3: knew that this was coming, which is why maybe he 593 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 3: had the confidence to go on Discord and speak about 594 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 3: the things that he did. But when I first heard 595 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 3: about the two people they had in custody and let 596 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 3: them go, they were released, it's because I thought that 597 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 3: maybe they were a diversion for the actual shooter to 598 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 3: get away. 599 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: Got you, got you? Okay? So we both thought it 600 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: was a play. We didn't know which one. 601 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 3: We didn't know which one, and I thought maybe into 602 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 3: the panic and if they acted strange and odd, it 603 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 3: would have drawt It would draw police's attention to them, 604 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 3: while the real suspect, you know, escapes out the back, 605 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 3: so to speak. 606 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: Okay, I agree with you about conspiracy theorists, but this 607 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: is a fact based show, so I'm going to ask 608 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: you factually and again, Jim Raffman, with your background as 609 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: a scene good service agent, are you concerned that this 610 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: young man did some research and decided he was going 611 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: to be an assassin? And do you think there's other 612 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: young people that are out there researching and platinum planning. 613 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 3: I wish there wasn't, but I strongly feel that there's 614 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 3: people out there that are wanting to do harm to 615 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 3: others that are out there now maybe getting their inspiration 616 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 3: from this, that are going to try to attack more 617 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 3: people in the future. I pray that it does not happen, 618 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 3: but I fear that's the times that we live in, 619 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 3: and I think people are now starting to become very 620 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 3: desperate who either get attention or to draw attention, whether 621 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 3: it comes from the right ways of doing it or 622 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 3: the wrong way of doing it. So I think the 623 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 3: threat is very real, and I think for everyone out 624 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 3: there that's protecting a whether it's a public figure, a politician, 625 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 3: anyone of status, basically, I think they really need to 626 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 3: step up their security gain to prevent it. You know, 627 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 3: we know the assassination that have happened. What we don't 628 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 3: know is how many assassination attempts that have been diverted 629 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 3: or we're not able to go through because security was 630 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 3: beefed up at the right places at the right time. 631 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 3: So I think it's time for everybody to that's out 632 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 3: there in this world providing protection at any capacity, to 633 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 3: take the threat seriously and spend a little bit more 634 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 3: time beefing up your security to ensure that all parties 635 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 3: are safe, not just for the protectee. But for all 636 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 3: the people that come to watch too. I mean, it's unfortunate. 637 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 3: There are children, there are adults, There are Kyle Jade 638 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 3: students that all witnessed what happened last week and the 639 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 3: amount of ETSD that's going to live in them forever. 640 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 3: Their lives were forever changed, and we need to prevent 641 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 3: this as much assumingly possible. 642 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: Well, if it is okay with you, mister rev Man, 643 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: I am going to end with some good news. I 644 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 1: want to talk about your son, y'all. Let me tell 645 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: you something, Ethan Rathman. I have been able to watch 646 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: him for years. He is, I would just say, a 647 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: shooting star in the world of baseball. He just completed 648 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: an event where his team won the championship, and I 649 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: know for a fact many Major league teams are looking 650 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: at him. 651 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 3: Now. 652 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to throw my own, you know, fanship 653 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: in the circle, but I would love to be able 654 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: to go watch him in person in Atlanta. So braves 655 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: Ethan Rathman. But you know, Jim, honestly, I mean congratulations 656 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: for everything that he has accomplished. He has worked hard. 657 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 1: There has been no off days forget off season, y'all. 658 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: That child hadn't taken a day off, and I just 659 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: can't wait to celebrate when he gets drafted. 660 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 3: Thank you so very much for saying that he is. 661 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 3: He has absolutely worked his butt off. We've been blessed 662 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 3: with great coaches, great teammates and parents, you know, instructors 663 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 3: along the way. He has an amazing advisor that's helping 664 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 3: him through this process. We're very fortunate. You know, he 665 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 3: signs a University of Miami soon. You know, they really 666 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 3: believed in him when he was even younger than this, 667 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 3: and he fell in love with the school and more 668 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 3: importantly the coaches and the staff and what University of 669 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 3: Miami brings. So he'll be signing there with them in November. 670 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 3: But he's a he's a very much a legitimate prospect 671 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 3: to get drafted next July. And I know you're a 672 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 3: major Brains fan, which is great. We are open to 673 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 3: all any and all teams obviously that are willing to 674 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 3: believe in him and give him a shot. I'm very 675 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 3: very confident he's going to get that shot here in 676 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 3: a few months. 677 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: Well, he'll find him a home. There's no doubt. He's 678 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: got too much talent. But again, congratulations to you. 679 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 3: Thank you so very much. I appreciate that. 680 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: All Right, y'all, I'm going to end Zone seven the 681 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: way that I always do with a quote. I'm a 682 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 1: religious person in the most unqualified sense of the word, 683 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: but I can say emphatically that there is more moral validity, 684 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,320 Speaker 1: an honest searching for values of life on campuses today 685 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: than can be found in our churches. CORRETTA Scott King, 686 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is Zone seven.