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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Bryce Harper and welcome to the Billy Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, Welcome to The Philly Show with Reuben Tomorrow, Junior,

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Speaker 2: Jim Salisbury, Todd's lucky. We're live from Clearwater. We're coming

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Speaker 2: at you Monday morning, but recording on Sunday. Jim, it's

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Speaker 2: so great to be in gorgeous Clearwater, Florida. First five

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Speaker 2: days of camper in the books.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking over there at my little canister of sunblock,

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Speaker 3: which you really needed this week because the weather has

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Speaker 3: been beautiful. But here, as we tape on late Sunday afternoon,

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Speaker 3: the weather has turned a little gloomy. It has little gray,

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Speaker 3: little windy, but you know what, it's better than snow

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Speaker 3: and thirty degrees.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I got here last week and then they got snow.

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Speaker 2: My wife texted me Immedia. He's like, go figure, you

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Speaker 2: just landed and we're gonna get snow tonight. And I

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Speaker 2: think we're gonna you guys are getting back in Philly.

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Speaker 2: Are gonna get hammered again with snow later this week.

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Speaker 2: But Jim, it's been you know, it's always great to

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Speaker 2: come down here and being clear Water for spring training

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Speaker 2: and the first first several days. I think we talked

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Speaker 2: about this in the last show. My head is always

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Speaker 2: like spinning because there's always so many like big storylines

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Speaker 2: coming up. Uh. But Bryce Harper talk, Kyle Schwarber talked,

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Speaker 2: Alec Bom talk, JT real Muto talk, Nick Castillanos, Andrew Painter,

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Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of big things happened. First

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Speaker 2: full squad workout is today Monday, So now you're gonna

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Speaker 2: see everybody out in the field. When you think back

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Speaker 2: to the first five days, like what's what's your first

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Speaker 2: thing that you pop that pops into your head.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you know, you always kind of take stock

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Speaker 3: of the guys coming in, and you know the old

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Speaker 3: cliche about you know, everybody's in the best shape of

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Speaker 3: their life reporting spring training. I mean you look at j.

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Speaker 3: T rel Mudo, he's a specimen. He looks like he's

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Speaker 3: in the best shape of his life. Christopher Sanchez, he

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Speaker 3: spent some time in the weight room. Alec Boum always

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Speaker 3: in great shape. Bryce Harper always in eat shape, Aaron Nola,

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Speaker 3: Kyle Schwarber, So you know, everybody just looks good. I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't think I know the days when

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Speaker 3: guys would come to spring training and sweat off that

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Speaker 3: extra eight or nine pounds. You know, Mickey Mantle would

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Speaker 3: wear the garbage bag and sweat it off. Those days

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Speaker 3: are long gone. These guys stay in shape the entire year.

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Speaker 3: They work out the entire year. They have their trainers

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Speaker 3: and their regiments. And even Nick Castianos today, we spoke

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Speaker 3: to him and he said the season ended, he didn't

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Speaker 3: wait very long. He played one hundred and sixty two

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Speaker 3: games plus what four in the postseason and really got

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Speaker 3: right into his off season workouts. So everybody's in great shape,

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Speaker 3: but it's to be expected. Like I said that, the

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Speaker 3: days when you came to spring training to get in

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Speaker 3: shape are long over. There's so much at Steak, there's

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Speaker 3: so much money at Steak, and the technology and the

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Speaker 3: know how about how to stay in condition year around

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Speaker 3: is so advanced that there's really no excuse for these guys.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's funny, we just had a conversation. You mentioned

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Speaker 2: guys back in the day didn't work out off season.

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Speaker 2: You and I just talked with Charlie Manuel, Like it's

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Speaker 2: literally about an hour ago and we're chatting in the

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Speaker 2: hallway outside Rob Thompson's office and somehow we started talking

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Speaker 2: about beer.

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Speaker 4: About his off season job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I said, didn't you sell beer in

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Speaker 2: the off season, Charlie? He said, yeah, I was a

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Speaker 2: rep for Ham's Brewery.

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Speaker 4: When he played for the Twins.

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Speaker 2: When he played for the Twins, So Charlie would spend

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Speaker 2: the off season basically going around Minnesota going to different bars,

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Speaker 2: right and like handing out Ham's beer for everybody.

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Speaker 4: They also worked in the ticket office.

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Speaker 2: He worked in the ticket office, he said. He also

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Speaker 2: worked for Ford Mortar Company. He said he had three jobs.

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Speaker 2: He said he made more money in the off season

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Speaker 2: on those three jobs, and he did playing for the Twins.

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Speaker 2: But that gives you an idea, like Charlie's out there

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Speaker 2: busting his hump in the off season, and you know,

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Speaker 2: now these guys are literally spending all off season working out,

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Speaker 3: Working out or making you know, pretending they're Bobby Flay

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Speaker 3: making cooking videos. And I have really enjoyed Bryce Harper's

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Speaker 3: cooking videos. I mean, he made those ribs, they were

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Speaker 3: great looking. He made cheese steaks on homemade bread for

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: They look great.

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Speaker 3: And then all his his protein shakes and all these.

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Speaker 2: million views on TikTok.

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Speaker 4: Let's you know, hold it up to the Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Come on, my gosh, you know, I asked him. I

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Speaker 2: asked him a couple of years ago he put like

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Speaker 2: a photo of a steak on I think I saw

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Speaker 2: that on Instagram and I asked him, I said, did

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Speaker 2: you really cook that steak? He said, I did, But

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Speaker 2: you're not the first person to ask me. He said

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Speaker 2: he it was a beautiful steak medium rare, which is

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Speaker 2: the best way to get it in my opinion. And

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Speaker 2: he said he had a lot of people texting him

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Speaker 2: and saying there's no way he made that steak. So

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Speaker 2: he yeah, apparently this is stuff he actually does. This

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Speaker 2: is not like, you know, he's into it.

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Speaker 4: He's multi multi talented.

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Speaker 2: Yes he is. He's gonna say he might continue it

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Speaker 2: throughout the season. We'll see about that, but yeah, Bryce

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Speaker 2: talked Kyle Schwarber and jt Ria Muto both talked about

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Speaker 2: both interested in staying.

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Speaker 3: I like what Schwarber said that he had once heard

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Speaker 3: his former teammate from the Cubs John Lester say that

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Speaker 3: if you win, the contract will take care of itself,

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Speaker 3: and you know I tend to agree. I I you know,

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Speaker 3: Schwarber's thirty two, he's gonna be a free agent. I

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Speaker 3: think with that bat speed, he can play for a

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Speaker 3: long time. And he's been such an integral part of

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Speaker 3: this team. I think they would love to have him back.

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Speaker 3: And you go out and win, they're gonna, I think,

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Speaker 3: try to keep things together, but it you know, the

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Speaker 3: clock is ticking here on. I think on the nucleus

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Speaker 3: of the team that's north of thirty. And I think

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Speaker 3: that takes you to something J T. Real Muros where

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Speaker 3: he said, you know, we're all aware of father time, right,

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Speaker 3: and he's another guy who could be a free ation.

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Speaker 3: So you know, been to three three straight postseasons. I

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Speaker 3: fully expected to play in a fourth straight postseason. But

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Speaker 3: after two earlier than hoped exits, they all want to

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Speaker 3: go further this year, they do.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're back. First of all, we forgot to

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Speaker 2: mention that Ruben is not here today. You probably are

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Speaker 2: wondering where Ruben is. Ruben's been on hiatus celebrating his

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Speaker 2: sixtieth birthday. He'll be back next episode. So we're looking

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Speaker 2: forward to Ruben, we miss.

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Speaker 4: You, We miss you.

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Speaker 3: Hope you hope you played golf well, right, you usually do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good prior, great athlete.

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Speaker 4: Got good hands man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah so uh JT talks Kyle Schwarber, like you mentioned

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Speaker 2: Bryce Harper, and one of the things they were all

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Speaker 2: asked about, well specifically Kyle and Bryce, was the lineup.

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Speaker 2: It's a hot topic, right, everybody loves talking line I

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Speaker 2: get it. I love making up my own lineup. And

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Speaker 2: Kyle said, listen, I'm a number. What do you say.

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Speaker 2: The quote was something like, I'm number twelve, player, number twelve,

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Speaker 3: Put me where they need me and they want me,

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Speaker 3: and I'll be agreeable to it. He will bat no

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Speaker 3: lower than.

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Speaker 2: Fourth, right, Rob Thompson did say that no lower than.

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Speaker 4: No lower than fourth.

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Speaker 3: And you know he improved last year as a hitter.

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Speaker 3: He especially improved against left handed pitching. And you know

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Speaker 3: Rob has said a number of times throughout the offseason

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Speaker 3: moving him down can offer a guy like Harper a

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Speaker 3: little more protection, not necessarily batting them back to back.

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Speaker 3: But you never know, depending on what the other team

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Speaker 3: it's just you get the vibe that Rob is leaning

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Speaker 3: toward Trey Turner leading off, Bryce Harper batting second, moving

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Speaker 3: with runners on base, hitting third, and Schwarber hitting fourth.

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Speaker 3: That's the vibe I get. Rob likes the right, left, right, left,

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Speaker 3: Harper loves hitting third. He talked about that yesterday. Why

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Speaker 3: and it makes sense. Before his first at bat, he

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Speaker 3: That's it could be six, seven, eight, nine pitches, But

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Speaker 3: he's fine with batting two.

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Speaker 4: He'd prefer not to bat leadoff.

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Speaker 3: But again he also said that, you know, whatever the

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Speaker 3: win ball games.

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Speaker 4: That's what it's all about. That is the theme.

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Speaker 3: They need to win ball games. They want to win

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Speaker 3: ball games. And after two quick exits the last two

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Speaker 3: Octobers and then you know, losing in Game six of

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Speaker 3: the World Series in twenty twenty two, there's I think

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Speaker 3: there's an urgency here. Real Mudo has talked about it.

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Speaker 3: He did talk about it, and I think it's real.

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Speaker 3: I think it's real, especially for a guy like Real

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Speaker 3: Mudo free agent after the season. He'll turn thirty four

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Speaker 3: before opening day. You know, they know they have a

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Speaker 3: good nucleus and they know it's time. They also know

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of good teams out there, and you've

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Speaker 3: got to play good when the when the chips are down,

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Speaker 3: and at times the last two Octobers they didn't play

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Speaker 3: well when the chips are down, So you know they're

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Speaker 3: hoping to change that. They certainly have the personnel that's

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Speaker 3: capable of changing that in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, we mentioned the lineup, so it's

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Speaker 2: probably gonna be Turner, Harper, Boem Schwarber in that order.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, Rob also is. Rob Thompson also said that

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Speaker 2: that Bryce will not hit lead off. He does not

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Speaker 2: want to want him to hit lead off. But you're

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Speaker 2: right though. There's a kind of a general theme I

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's all about monitoring workload for a team

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: You look at Aaron Knowles since twenty twenty one, number

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened. We're standing in front of

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of smoke, more more, more smoke

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Speaker 3: He didn't he didn't seem to take anything personal right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know you don't want, you don't want

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Speaker 3: I mean, I have those moments in my own, you know, career, so,

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Speaker 4: Every night, right, So.

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Speaker 3: I'm okay with showing that you care. If that's the

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Speaker 3: It's a big year for him because he's so important

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Speaker 4: These guys are playing.

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Speaker 3: I think they're playing the toughest game under the sun,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's I mean, he's always got maybe one

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Speaker 2: come out of this postseason, it's kind of like, yeah, they're.

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Speaker 4: Gonna be good.

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Speaker 2: But knowing I think the vibe he gets is that

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Speaker 2: nobody really in Philly believes that they can do it.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe. But I think nationally, I think it's a

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Speaker 2: different story. I think a lot of people think that

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Speaker 2: Phillies can.

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Speaker 3: And you know what, wherever you can find motivation, right,

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Speaker 3: whatever works for you.

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Speaker 4: It can be very individual.

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Speaker 3: I remember Terry frank Cone used to talk about Kurt

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Speaker 3: Shilling and how only could manufacture motivation in any way,

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Speaker 3: shape or form to help him. And frank Cone used

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Speaker 3: to say, you know he gets he gets charged up

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Speaker 3: on bobblehead day. So you know whatever fuels you.

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Speaker 4: Right it right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So anything else kind of popped up. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Andrew Painter spoke, you know, he's excited to be in camp.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you're not going to see him in

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Speaker 2: any Great FU League games. Rob Thompson said, you know,

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Speaker 2: probably split up the righties with what Christopher Sanchez would

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Speaker 2: be the lefty.

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Speaker 3: Because I would think, yeah, so that would mean probably

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Speaker 3: Nola starts game three of the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Nola would start Game three. And the reason why

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Speaker 2: Christopher Sanchez might be the guy that split up Wheeler

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Speaker 2: and Nola is because Rob said, Lozardo and Sanchez. Sorry, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Lozardo and Sanchez. So you want to have ranger in

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Speaker 2: Lozardo or Sanchez next to each other.

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Speaker 3: So that would line up Wheeler earlier, Sanchez has Nola

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Speaker 3: and then Lozardo stranger right probably, I'll tell you what

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Speaker 3: I like talking to Lozardo sharp kid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he was. Yeah, he is a very impressive guy

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Speaker 2: and like his Bullpenz is in great shape. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: asked Nick. I said, because you know Nick's Nick Castianos

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Speaker 2: just lives in southern Florida and Jesus Lazaro's lives in

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Speaker 2: southern Florida. And I said, do you know him? He's

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Speaker 2: like other than his ninety seven mile an hour fastball

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Speaker 2: and backdoor Slattery's like, I don't, but I that's that's

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Speaker 2: pretty much what I know. Yeah, everybody seems really of

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Speaker 2: all the off season acquisitions. I think everybody that has

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Speaker 2: faced him, because we talked to most of the hitters

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Speaker 2: this week, is really excited about having Hazes Sozardo in

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Speaker 2: the rotation. I think maybe not a lot of people

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Speaker 2: locally obviously know him as much or maybe appreciate him

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Speaker 2: as much, but those hitters really seem like, yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a that's a big pick up.

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Speaker 3: If he's healthy, he's a top half of the rotation guy,

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Speaker 3: and there's a lot.

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Speaker 4: There's this narrative.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Phillies didn't do a lot, and compared

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Speaker 3: to previous winters, they didn't have that big splashy, big

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Speaker 3: paycheck signing. But Lozardo could be a hell of a

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Speaker 3: pickup in this division. And you know, one other little

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Speaker 3: thing that jumped out at me this week, and I

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Speaker 3: wasn't surprised to hear it, but you know, nonetheless interesting

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Speaker 3: to hear. Zach Wheeler great shape, starting that new three

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Speaker 3: year extension at what two I mean, you know, forty two,

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Speaker 3: forty two and forty two. Anyway, he finished his second

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Speaker 3: in the cy Young last year. I got a lot

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Speaker 3: of first place votes but finished second to Chris Sale.

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Speaker 3: And he flat out said I think Chris Sale deserved it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he did, And of course he said he wants

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Speaker 2: to try to win it again. I'm that's something you know.

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Speaker 2: JT said it on our show a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: I think that, you know, he feels bad that he's

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Speaker 2: come so close in the past two of the last

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Speaker 2: four years finished second. So good. Interesting. We talked to

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Speaker 2: all the big dogs really the first few days of camp.

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Speaker 3: And just about everybody's in and every everybody's healthy, anybody

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Speaker 3: who had you know, a I mean painters one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: They're just gonna go easy with him. He's gonna observe,

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Speaker 3: he's gonna you know, he threw a nice and easy

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Speaker 3: bullpen the other day. But you know, again, Dave Dembroski

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Speaker 3: uses the phrase julyish, but you know, it could be

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Speaker 3: sometime in June, it could be who knows. I guess

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Speaker 3: their hope is they can kind of take their time

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Speaker 3: with them and really turn them loose in some ways.

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Speaker 3: I guess the later the better, because if it's a

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Speaker 3: little bit later, that means that that five man is

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Speaker 3: in good shape. And you know, looking around the clubhouse,

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Speaker 3: they do have starting pitching depth they you know, I

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Speaker 3: mean Joe Ross.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe Ross is gonna get stretched out right. Rob

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Speaker 2: Thompson said he sees him as more of a I

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Speaker 2: don't know, like a tuinning reliever, maybe a high leverage lever.

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Speaker 2: But they're going to stretch him out. So if he

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Speaker 2: needs just to be prepared just in case.

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Speaker 3: Taiwan's back, Mick Gables here there are others as well,

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Speaker 3: So Dave Dembroski had kind of his lid lid Lifter

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Speaker 3: press conference, and you know, he flat out said he

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Speaker 3: thought maybe they could have won more games last year

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Speaker 3: if you had to address that number five starter position

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Speaker 3: at the trade deadline. But at the time of the

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Speaker 3: trade deadline, they had a few guys that were contributing.

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Speaker 3: So but he did, you know, kind of put his

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Speaker 3: hand up there. But ultimately they didn't get knocked out

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Speaker 3: of the postseason because of the number five starter.

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Speaker 4: Last year.

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Speaker 3: They got knocked out because the bullpen didn't pitch well

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Speaker 3: in October and the bats went quiet in October at

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Speaker 3: the worst possible time. So I hope people hate to

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Speaker 3: hear it, but you're still going to play well at

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Speaker 3: the right time because you know, get in, get hot,

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Speaker 3: and this is a team that is capable of getting

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Speaker 3: in and then they need to get hot. But it's

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Speaker 3: a long time away, it is. It's yeah, baseball is

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Speaker 3: a long season. We're still seven months away from that tournament.

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Speaker 2: Even beginning Nick Cassidy as we asked him to think

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Speaker 2: he could win, and he said, you know, it reminds

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Speaker 2: me of the time that Bobby Knight brought a rubbed

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Speaker 2: a glass on the podium at the NCAA Tournament press conference.

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Speaker 2: And looked into his crystal ball to try to answer

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Speaker 2: these questions. I didn't bring right crystal ball to camp

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Speaker 2: this spring, so but he's right. I mean, did you

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Speaker 2: have a read Season on the Brank? I had never

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Speaker 2: read Season on the Brink.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite all time books. The detail and

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Speaker 3: the inside and the way that John Feinstein captured Bobby Knight.

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Speaker 2: And I was in college and I got to do

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Speaker 2: some I covered a couple of Indiana Minnesota basketball games,

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Speaker 2: and I mean, he was a trip. You know, he

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Speaker 2: was such a big deal back then, and he was.

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Speaker 2: He was interesting. Those postgame press conferences were interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great book, fascinating character. Big baseball fan too, the

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Speaker 3: late Bobby Knight.

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