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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Giants the Top one hundred Players,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Bud Lightheimbob Papa, along with Paul Schwartz,

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Speaker 1: who was one of the thirteen Blue Ribbon panel members.

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Speaker 1: We have with us a man who finished eighty seventh,

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Speaker 1: Corey Webster and eighty ninth Jason Seahorn, as part of

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Speaker 1: this Top one hundred. And here's how we got to

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Speaker 1: the Top one hundred Giants players. What we did was

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Speaker 1: we looked at the over five thousand men that wore

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Speaker 1: a Giants uniform dating back to nineteen twenty five, and

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Speaker 1: we called that list down and came up with the

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Speaker 1: top one hundred players in the history of the franchise.

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Speaker 1: In Paul, it was an exhilarating, interesting exercise. Obviously it

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Speaker 1: was a difficult exercise as well, but very enlightening.

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Speaker 2: Math has never been my strong suit, Okay, but five thousand,

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Speaker 2: one hundred, that's a really big number, and that's a

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Speaker 2: pretty small number, so it was very difficult. I learned

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Speaker 2: a lot along the process of guys who I never

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Speaker 2: saw play, Guys like these two gentlemen who I did

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Speaker 2: see play, And now where am I going to put them?

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Speaker 2: Where are they gonna fit. I think we came up

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Speaker 2: with a hundred great players, and there's other great players

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Speaker 2: who didn't make it. You know, one hundred years a

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Speaker 2: long time, and one hundred players is not that many

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Speaker 2: for a hundred years.

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Speaker 1: Corey. I'll start with you. Your first reaction when you found out,

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Speaker 1: of all those people that have played this game for

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Speaker 1: the Giants, with all the Hall of Famers and everything else,

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Speaker 1: that you're inside the top one hundred.

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Speaker 3: Just a crazy feeling, you know, just blessed because you know,

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Speaker 3: the tradition is so rich, right, Like you talked about

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Speaker 3: having five thousand players and being one of those top

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Speaker 3: one hundred. It's just like you no other than winning

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl or you know, it goes right up

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Speaker 3: there with that. So to be able to represent for

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Speaker 3: the guys that came before me and to leave a

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Speaker 3: legacy for the guys that come behind us. So this,

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Speaker 3: you know, tradition could keep going and you can still

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Speaker 3: make a great legacy for this, you know, beautiful organization, Jason.

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Speaker 1: For you leaving your mark as you did. It's in

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Speaker 1: perspective now.

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Speaker 4: It was more of a wow moment of like wow, Okay,

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Speaker 4: that's cool. You know what I mean, like, you don't

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Speaker 4: expect that. That's not why you play. It's more or

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Speaker 4: less something that you can look back on and just

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Speaker 4: go huh and you start doing the math and you go, wow, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I think it's that sums it up. It's like more surprise.

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Speaker 4: This is an organization that started, you know, one hundred

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Speaker 4: years ago, So the amount of people that you've got

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Speaker 4: to go through to will it down to one hundred

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Speaker 4: is pretty impressive. So to be a part of that

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Speaker 1: You know. Obviously, Corey you won two Super Bowls. Jason,

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Speaker 1: you won an NFC Championship and played in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Just talk a little bit about that journey that you

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Speaker 1: went on with your teammates in order to get to

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Speaker 1: that point. And listen, the last pass that Brett fav

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Speaker 1: Ever threw as a Green Bay Packer was intercepted by

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Speaker 1: you in the NFC Championship game. Far back to pass,

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Speaker 1: takes a deep drop, steps up, looking to.

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Speaker 2: His right the press, intercepting at the times heat the

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Speaker 2: forty yard line. Corey Webster got the pick.

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Speaker 1: But when you think about that whole journey and the

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Speaker 1: two rings, what are some of the things that jump

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Speaker 3: I'm just the process. How you know, everybody in the

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Speaker 3: locker room, buying the being on one a corps, putting

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Speaker 3: all of the selflessness out of way so we can

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Speaker 3: go out and compete at the highest level when you know,

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Speaker 3: do something and accompany something great like that.

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Speaker 1: Jason, when you came to the Giants, the team was

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Speaker 1: kind of going through that mid nineties malaise, but you

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Speaker 1: had a young group as a defense, and you won

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Speaker 1: the division in ninety seven. But then that ten thousand season,

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Speaker 1: it kind of all came together. What are your reflections

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Speaker 4: As a team, we were all together, so there was

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Speaker 4: not like in years prior, was the defense was really

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Speaker 4: division of locker room and we didn't have that. We

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Speaker 4: had everybody just on the same page, doing exactly what

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Speaker 4: they needed to do for us to win. And as

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Speaker 4: we got to the playoffs, you know, once it was

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Speaker 4: the offense and it was the defense, it was like

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Speaker 4: everybody was picking up there into the slack and like

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Speaker 4: the success model is can you get everybody on the

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Speaker 4: same page, because they're all talented, but can you get

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Speaker 4: same page. And that's that's all winning is.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned Corey's iconic play against Brett Favre. You had

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Speaker 1: what was voted on the greatest play in the history

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Speaker 1: of Giants Stadium. Your interception an interception returned for a

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Speaker 1: touchdown in the playoffs against the Philadelphia Eagles. Nab again

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Speaker 1: over center drop straight back Giants on a blitz mcdad

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Speaker 1: hen does he throw swings at right on the past

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Speaker 3: What he's got it?

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Speaker 4: On the run down the left sidelight, cutting it at

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Speaker 1: How many times have you watched it?

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Speaker 4: Whenever someone sends it to me. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 4: go back to relive it. But after that happened, I

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Speaker 4: promise you. For that week, I was on Sports Center

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Speaker 4: going is it coming on again? Because we didn't have

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Speaker 4: it was in the playoffs Week three. It's just yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's a cool play, but it happened in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Well, you told me your story last year of that

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Speaker 1: you really kind of broke a lot of rules that

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Speaker 4: Oh, you're not supposed to undercut a receiver and you're

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Speaker 4: not supposed to leave your feet. Like those are two negatives.

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Speaker 4: Do not come in front of the receiver and do

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Speaker 4: not leave your feet because if those two things don't work,

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Speaker 4: you're a on the ground and B you know he's

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Speaker 4: behind you, like he's gone. Do you die for every

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Speaker 4: ball and during the regular season, No, you don't because

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Speaker 4: you're not really supposed to. Like when the ball is

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Speaker 4: where's he. He's your main responsibility right there. It was like,

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Speaker 4: I think I can get to that. So yeah, there

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Speaker 4: was two no nos broken on that play that get

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Speaker 3: A coach normally say no, no, no, yes, yes yes.

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Speaker 4: The coach fox on the sideline and he's like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say it is for that play. He's

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Speaker 3: answered beautifully. But to add to that, it took a

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Speaker 3: lot of wherewithal. It took a lot of body control,

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Speaker 3: He was able to stand up without balancing himself on

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Speaker 3: That seys a lot about strength and condition and balancing

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but your former

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Speaker 1: teammate and his former teammate, Michael Strahan says, the greatest

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Speaker 1: athlete he's ever played with of any teammate is that

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Speaker 1: guy right there. That's a pretty good compliment.

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Speaker 2: We're sitting with these two guys, and you know, you

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Speaker 2: know my business. We do lists a lot of lists, right,

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Speaker 2: So if you want to do lists of best postseason

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Speaker 2: plays ever, your interception is on it. Your interception is

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And and so you know that that's such a cool

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Speaker 2: synergy between you two. And I always want to ask you, Corey.

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Speaker 2: The last play of the Super Bowl, right, how many

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Speaker 2: yards was Tom Brady's pass up in the air? Fifty sixty?

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Speaker 3: No less than sixty?

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Speaker 2: What do you think? Are you thinking anything there?

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest. Before the PLAYO I said I was

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Speaker 3: going to intercept it, all right, and I misjudged the ball.

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Speaker 3: To be perfectly honest, judge not the time. What I mean,

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Speaker 3: I still hit it. I got a finger on it,

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Speaker 3: but I didn't get further enough back to get two

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Speaker 3: hands on it to make the kid.

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Speaker 2: And how many seconds after that the confetti starts falling.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a beautiful fiel.

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Speaker 1: That's how New York Giants I won Super Bowl forty two.

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Speaker 1: So there's in this grouping, there's a bunch of your

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Speaker 1: former teammates. So I'm gonna ask you about number eighty two.

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Speaker 1: Kareem McKenzie might be the greatest free agent signing in

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Speaker 1: Ernie of Corsi's career because he signed a seven year

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Speaker 1: contract and he basically played every game every year for

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Speaker 1: all seven years. Talk about getting your money's worth. He

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Speaker 1: was the quiet one of that group. Some of the

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Speaker 1: other ones knew where the camera was. What was Kareem

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Speaker 1: like as a teammate? What made him such a great player?

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Speaker 3: Just a guy that led by example. He's a guy

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Speaker 3: that had books by his locker.

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Speaker 1: He was always reading.

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Speaker 3: And I think now it was doctor Kareem mckinson, if

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Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken. So it was a guy that had

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Speaker 3: a plethora of knowledge and was willing to sit down

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Speaker 3: So outside of everything that he did great, you know,

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Speaker 3: protecting and being the leader as far as on the

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Speaker 3: Always was learning augu was reading and never was afraid

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Speaker 4: I just look at people like that though. The durability

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Speaker 4: factor of someone just shows up every single week at

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Speaker 4: that position. There's something to be said about that alone,

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Speaker 4: which just show up at that position every week because

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Speaker 4: they're always dingmed lineman, They're never healthy, and it's easy

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Speaker 4: for them to take a week or two off, I

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Speaker 4: mean if they want to, but just to show up

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Speaker 4: and post every single week, it's pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: So, speaking of longevity, his teammate longevity, I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you about the guy who finished eighty eighth on

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Speaker 1: this list, Howard Cross, who played the most games in

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Speaker 1: the history of the Giants until Strahan broke his record,

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Speaker 1: but you know, was part of the nineteen ninety Giants

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl team, played with Bavaro and lasted through your

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Speaker 1: group and getting to another Super Bowl in two thousand.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on Howard as a player.

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Speaker 4: First fall is cheerleader positivity, Like I don't think he

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Speaker 4: spoke a bad word about anyone. He was always positive,

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Speaker 4: if he was always uplifting, he was always raw, raw

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Speaker 4: for everybody, all the time. It was really one of

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Speaker 4: those rare moments in sports where someone just thinks positive

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Speaker 4: for everyone. He was just a very motivational individual. Like

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Speaker 4: he was fun and he's a big man. Like when

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Speaker 4: he would shake your hand, like it engulfed you. Like

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Speaker 4: he had the biggest hands I've ever it, just golf

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Speaker 4: girl hand, You're like, good lord if I mean, if

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Speaker 4: you're a defensive end he gets those mugs on you,

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Speaker 4: you're done. Yeah, he was fun.

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Speaker 2: I remember, you know you're in a locker room this,

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Speaker 2: you know, offensive lineman defense on the big dudes. But

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Speaker 2: he was a tight end. But he was big, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean when you shook his hand, his shoulders, you know,

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Speaker 2: really he's a throwback. I mean, you know, the tight

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Speaker 2: ends now they get the glory a lot of him.

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Speaker 2: There were blockers through, but he was a block. First block,

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Speaker 1: Go to another name on this list. It's great because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Amda is a guy. I was always called him

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Speaker 2: On the list. But yeah, you know, now it's very

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Speaker 4: An angry runner as someone who doesn't want to make

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Speaker 3: He said, the tone being able to break through the hole.

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Speaker 1: The other thing, the other play that a Mod made

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Speaker 2: Yes, in a loose ball or in a fight, I

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Speaker 1: Him first, Yeah, right, all right, So number eighty three

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Speaker 4: So he was my roommate that first year in training camp,

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Speaker 4: He came in with that idea that I need to

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Speaker 1: And that two thousand season, it's kind of like the

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Speaker 4: And he started lasers on Steam routes like right through DBS. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: You'd have somebody covered in the ball, be like right there,

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Speaker 4: Like it's just one of those things. Where was he

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Speaker 4: on this list at number eighty five is Dave Meggott,

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Speaker 1: He was Bradshaw before.

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Speaker 2: Brad Yes, yeah, I was gonna say he was versatile,

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Speaker 2: you got to play special teams. You're gonna return kicks?

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Speaker 1: The Other thing about Meggot and Bradshaw, that commonality was

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Speaker 4: Not blink then back down now and because their third

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Speaker 1: Number eighty one on this list is Frank Kope. He's

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Speaker 2: Right look, I saw you play your whole career. I

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Speaker 2: Is he in the Hall of Fame? Did he make

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Speaker 2: Is you know it's the thirties. I mean, I can't

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Speaker 2: And so that's why you know, you can't you can't

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Speaker 2: you just can't do it. It's not fair to them,

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Speaker 1: And he helped the Giants get the five title games

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Speaker 1: in the span of that time, and it wasn't anger.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Thomas tight end for the Giants in the early sixties.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's when things stick out at you. You say, well,

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Speaker 2: It was Jeremy Shockey, there was you know, there's.

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Speaker 1: A bunch of Mark Bovo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark Bavaro, Yeah, you're not a bad player. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And you know why does he have the record? Well,

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Speaker 2: that elevates him in our mind. He was a great

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because in the early sixties the Giants were,

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Speaker 1: tittles numbers from nineteen sixty three his touchdown passes thirty

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Speaker 2: You know, the numbers stick out, They definitely do but

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Speaker 1: The other person in this group is another corner, Erich Barnes.

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Speaker 1: Here's another guy played for the franchise for four years,

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Speaker 1: of the four years he was named All Pro. So again,

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about the history of the Giants and greatness,

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Speaker 1: What are some of the things that you remember most

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Speaker 1: about being a Giant and that famous phrase, Once a Giant,

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Speaker 4: Probably the stadium, understanding that they're going to show up

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Speaker 4: whether you're good or bad, but they're going to show

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Speaker 4: they don't show it's empty. This place is full. Here

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Speaker 4: you just realize everybody was passionate about your team, which

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Speaker 4: When I first came to New York, I learned to

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Speaker 4: looking back on everything, it's just being here, getting to

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Speaker 3: Well, for you, Corey, I would agree, this is a

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Speaker 3: when you have success, they're going to celebrate you. Having

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Speaker 1: Paul, It's been fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's Look I said, I covered both these guys,

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Speaker 2: why were you successful against this? Why are you successful

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Speaker 2: against that? So you know, instead of why did you

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Speaker 2: give up a touchdown? Why did you not do this?

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Speaker 2: I mean twenty interceptions and nineteen is that right? Okay,

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Speaker 2: almost forty interceptions sitting here.

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