Speaker 1: Hey, folks, real quick. I announced a live show in Tokyo,
Speaker 1: Japan like a week or so ago, and it sold
Speaker 1: out pretty fast, so I added a second one on Saturday,
Speaker 1: February twenty second at three pm. It's a matinee show.
Speaker 1: And if you live in Tokyo, Japan, which is probably
Speaker 1: maybe like three of you, you can get tickets for
Speaker 1: this Tokyo live show at the link in the episode description.
Speaker 1: That's all I wanted to say. Thank you. Let's get
Speaker 1: into the episode. Hello, hello, is what what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Who is this? You called me?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean didn't, but this is what the fuck? Wait?
Speaker 3: This is crazy? Is this probably the actual mister? No?
Speaker 3: I know, I know, don't get me wrong, I know,
Speaker 3: but this is like I didn't I expect you actually
Speaker 3: to answer. What the hell?
Speaker 1: Hold on? Just stop, stop for a second. You called yeah,
Speaker 1: this first of all to my favorite and held on
Speaker 1: first of all to me a favorite. And we don't
Speaker 1: actually have to cut this part out of the podcast,
Speaker 1: but this could be in the podcast. But I can
Speaker 1: you take me off? Can you take me off a speakerphone?
Speaker 3: No, I have my headphones in.
Speaker 1: Oh, take me off of your headphones and just put
Speaker 1: me right in, the take me off of headphones, and
Speaker 1: just hold the phone up to your OKA.
Speaker 3: Is that better?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's better. We're gonna keep I Normally I asked
Speaker 1: people to do that and I cut it out of
Speaker 1: the show, but we're gonna keep it in. Yeah this time.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, all right, yeah, no, no, it's just that's good.
Speaker 3: I didn't I know that. This is now I understand
Speaker 3: why people when they call in and they're all like flustered.
Speaker 3: It's like, damn actually getting in on the mister therapy gecko.
Speaker 3: That's crazy?
Speaker 1: Are you? And again I normally I cut these audio
Speaker 1: checks out, but we're going to keep them in. Are
Speaker 1: you you're are you yelling? Because I'm looking at your
Speaker 1: audio and it's all red. It's all all the bars
Speaker 1: are red right now?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, maybe I should lower it a little bit.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, you're good. Now, you're good. You're good. You're good.
Speaker 1: That's okay, just just now you calmed down a little bit.
Speaker 1: What's your name?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, uh uh Andrew Andrew, Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing I'm doing all right. I got just
Speaker 3: hopped on the uh the little treadmill that I got
Speaker 3: in here. Calm me down a little bit. Just got
Speaker 3: back from run club. Usually don't do that kind of thing,
Speaker 3: but uh yeah, no I'm not. I'm doing okay, thanks
Speaker 3: for asking. How about you, Lyle? How are you doing?
Speaker 3: I mean therapycause I don't know.
Speaker 1: How do you want me to refer to you anything?
Speaker 1: Anything doesn't matter?
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, how you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right, man, I'm doing. Yeah, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm uh I feel okay, that's a lie.
Speaker 1: I'm depressed. That's what I'm just go Yeah, I'm all
Speaker 1: the time. I've been depressed. I've been depressed for years
Speaker 1: and years, and I think it's I've accepted it as
Speaker 1: a constant of my life. I think I'm pretty close, though,
Speaker 1: hold on stuff, I'm really I'm really close to figuring
Speaker 1: it out, you know, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, go. I was gonna say something because I
Speaker 3: feel like during the whole quarantine and the whole like
Speaker 3: COVID bullshit, Like during the beginning, like okay, I didn't
Speaker 3: think I realized I was depressed, but like towards the
Speaker 3: end of it, I got really depressed, like I just
Speaker 3: developed an eating disorder. Like every day was becoming the
Speaker 3: same old, same old thing day and day out, just
Speaker 3: lay on the ground be like, damn, what the fuck
Speaker 3: am I even doing with my life? What am I?
Speaker 3: What am I even? Like I'm in school, I'm not
Speaker 3: even doing this thing because I even want to do it.
Speaker 3: And like, yeah, like you know you feel it, but
Speaker 3: but you mentioned how you're like on the verge of
Speaker 3: like cause I think it's like logically, you feel like
Speaker 3: you understand how to get out of the depression loop,
Speaker 3: but now it's more so like like trying to you know,
Speaker 3: the actual experiential feeling of getting out of that, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've been thinking about that. This is my
Speaker 1: little and by the way, hold on, this is like
Speaker 1: this is like a I feel like this is like
Speaker 1: a like an alpha male talking point that I've come to.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna yeah a little bit, but it's it's
Speaker 1: a hypothesis that I'm thinking about, and it's a it's
Speaker 1: a funny hypothesis. It's a funny hypothesis because it runs
Speaker 1: in absolute utter contrast to what I like, what my
Speaker 1: whole thing is. I guess, I think, I think, And again,
Speaker 1: nothing I say on this show is etched in stone.
Speaker 1: If you ever call me and you're like, hey, remember
Speaker 1: three years ago.
Speaker 3: This is all becoming and all in flux.
Speaker 1: Everything is in total, everything's in total flex. Okay, there
Speaker 1: we go. You're on You're you're on the same level.
Speaker 1: And to share this with you, I I I actually
Speaker 1: I'm playing around with a hypothesis. It's a new hypothesis
Speaker 1: I have. I think talking I think talking about your
Speaker 1: problems might make them worse. Is that insane to think?
Speaker 3: I think, I think I would agree with you? What
Speaker 3: what what makes you think? What makes you think that?
Speaker 3: Because I would agree with you. I would agree with.
Speaker 1: You because like if you're always talking to your friends
Speaker 1: and your family and about the end of the internet
Speaker 1: into if you're just always talking about your problems, right,
Speaker 1: you just you like center that you like reinforce, like
Speaker 1: like I've I've over the years, I think, like you know,
Speaker 1: you build like narratives in your head about yourself the world.
Speaker 1: And if you're if you're always talking like, oh I'm
Speaker 1: so depressed the narrative that and this is just me,
Speaker 1: I guess because I'm like, oh, I'm like building I'm
Speaker 1: building a story about myself. I'm building a narrative about
Speaker 1: myself that I am just a depressed guy, and I
Speaker 1: think I've walked myself into that rut by constantly telling
Speaker 1: myself that that's the story, is that I'm a depressed guy.
Speaker 1: Whereas like if I were like, whereas if I were,
Speaker 1: I constantly like, oh, how can I? How can I?
Speaker 1: How do I do something about my problems? Right? Like
Speaker 1: what do I like? Like I'm a solvere or I
Speaker 1: don't know if I am a solver, but I want
Speaker 1: to be a solver. I want to be a solver.
Speaker 1: I want to be like, hey, Okay, I have this problem,
Speaker 1: let me fix it. Because if I just talk about
Speaker 1: it in fucking circles, I'm just gonna keep reinforcing it.
Speaker 3: They're locking yourself into that story, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're locking narrative.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I would totally agree
Speaker 3: with you on that, yeah, because it's like almost yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's a feedback loop almost, you know, like
Speaker 3: how it almost yeah? Yeah, you start building this narrative
Speaker 3: about who you are and what you do, and like
Speaker 3: it's you know, if I'm constantly depressed, and it's like
Speaker 3: you locked yourself into that. That's kind of how I
Speaker 3: felt with the whole quarantine COVID COVID thing or whatever
Speaker 3: was until I went to Japan and then came back
Speaker 3: and I was like, like, damn, I can actually do shit,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I know, yeah yeah. And the other thing
Speaker 3: too is I think there's don't don't quote me up
Speaker 3: or whatever. Some some psychiatrist dude or some ship said like,
Speaker 3: you know, the the key and like the speaking region
Speaker 3: and the region of like actual action are kind of
Speaker 3: highly highly connected. So when you speak a problem, it's
Speaker 3: almost like you're acting like I guess an analogy I
Speaker 3: would draw would be like, you know, you talk to
Speaker 3: your friends about I'm going to be a doctor, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be this, or I'm gonna do some shit, but
Speaker 3: then it's kind of like, well, you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: it's like you almost did the actions. Now you don't
Speaker 3: even want to pursue doing thing because you already said
Speaker 3: and told and bloviated on and on and on about
Speaker 3: that kind of shit. So I feel like it's a
Speaker 3: little bit along those lines, but yours sounds more of
Speaker 3: like a you know, narrative, narrativizing, almost reinforcing to yourself
Speaker 3: who you are right right, constantly talking about that, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well before we go any hold on, before I'm
Speaker 1: I'm by the way, I just say, you just you know,
Speaker 1: I'm really enjoying having this conversation with you, but I
Speaker 1: just not that we got Yeah, I just I just
Speaker 1: want to pause for a second. Are you still running
Speaker 1: on the treadmill because you sound like you're still running
Speaker 1: on the s treadmill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am running on the treadmill and trying to
Speaker 3: get a little bit of the I'll slow it down.
Speaker 3: I'm not running, I'm kind of walking. I got you know,
Speaker 3: I got the I'm a little neuro diversion. It got
Speaker 3: there is not an excuse. Actually hate that. I don't
Speaker 3: want to be using excuses. This is the tool that
Speaker 3: I use. I hate that ship. I don't like the
Speaker 3: It's it's a bad excuse. I'm not trying to excuse anything.
Speaker 3: I hate that ship. But but I do it because
Speaker 3: it just helps me. You know, I've got my mind
Speaker 3: is my body is moving, and so now I feel
Speaker 3: like it's a little bit of sub stimulation in order
Speaker 3: to get me to where I'm now focusing and not
Speaker 3: all you know, crazy, But would you like me to
Speaker 3: like lower that or whatever or you.
Speaker 1: I don't care. No, I don't care, man, I'm just
Speaker 1: be yourself. I just us I was concerned about you.
Speaker 3: Cool. No, I'm all good now, I'm I'm leveling out
Speaker 3: a little bit. I should put that on my somewhere,
Speaker 3: on my in my room somewhere. Just be yourself. That's
Speaker 3: a that's a good hallmark quote. Is a therapy that one?
Speaker 1: I like that one. I like that one.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: But like there's a lot of it is funny as
Speaker 1: the as the therapy gecko to be Like, I think
Speaker 1: talking about your problems makes up there's you know what,
Speaker 1: you know what it is, Here's here's the thing is.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things where it's like
Speaker 1: everything in moderation, like there's a zone, like there's an
Speaker 1: optimal zone of talking about your problems and there's an
Speaker 1: optimal zone of it. But at a certain point, talking
Speaker 1: about your problems too much becomes a little bit masturbatory
Speaker 1: and you and then again it just creates the fucking.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But at some point you just kind of like
Speaker 3: you gotta just shut up and just keep it in
Speaker 3: your brain and then just act out what you need
Speaker 3: to do, right, You just gotta you know, be the
Speaker 3: man of action. You know, you've been tinkering too long
Speaker 3: of just thinking about things being two in your head.
Speaker 3: You've been lost in the sauce. Dude, you gotta get
Speaker 3: out and go out and do some ship, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like the whole, like like the whole, I guess,
Speaker 1: like toxic masculinity thing of like don't talk about your
Speaker 1: problems and don't whatever, like I think, like like put
Speaker 1: a dash of that in there, you know, not like right,
Speaker 1: if you never talk about your problems with anyone and
Speaker 1: you keep it all inside, something's gonna fester and it's
Speaker 1: not going to be and it's gonna come out. It's
Speaker 1: gonna come out in other evil crazy yeah, it because
Speaker 1: it comes out in other evil ways. But like also,
Speaker 1: if you're all constantly running, ruminating on everything, you know,
Speaker 1: everything is everything. There's there's some optimal way to be
Speaker 1: a human being. I haven't figured it out, but I'm
Speaker 1: thinking I've been theory crafting it and maybe I'll figure
Speaker 1: it out.
Speaker 3: Hey, look, at least you're in you're in the becoming stage.
Speaker 3: You're in the becoming stage, right, You're looking to get
Speaker 3: yourself out of this damn hold is damn right that
Speaker 3: you're in right, sure, and maybe who knows. Maybe Again,
Speaker 3: that's the thing. I don't think there's any think you
Speaker 3: can even think your way out of being depressed. It's
Speaker 3: just kind of you.
Speaker 1: You can't you damn choir.
Speaker 3: You probably already know what you can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know what you know. But you know
Speaker 1: what's so stupid, Andrew. You know what's so stupid is
Speaker 1: is yes, a lot. You know what's so stupid, Andrew.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna quick what's really stupid is that? Logically
Speaker 1: I know this, but also I do, Like on my
Speaker 1: computer right now, I have three tabs that I've been
Speaker 1: saving for at least some days, and they all have
Speaker 1: like motivational YouTube videos on them. And I'm like, once
Speaker 1: this motivational YouTube video, I will get my life together.
Speaker 1: But how many you know how many fucking motivational YouTube
Speaker 1: videos I've watched over the last decade?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I've also but also I I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about my own life today and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I've been Yeah, I've been like depressed and watching motivationally
Speaker 1: YouTube videos for at least a decade or but I
Speaker 1: but incrementally, like when I zoom out. I did pretty okay.
Speaker 1: I did pretty okay.
Speaker 3: So when you say when you say you've done pretty
Speaker 3: okay and you zoom out, which does that sort of
Speaker 3: mean that you've incrementally become I guess what does it mean?
Speaker 3: Like incrementally becoming in what direction? Would you say?
Speaker 1: Well, just like if I died right now, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I did okay. You know I got to talk to you.
Speaker 3: Oh that is very flattering.
Speaker 1: I mean I got to have this conversation with you
Speaker 1: right now, I got to look at the I got
Speaker 1: to eat a hamburger. Everything was fine. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't have I don't have strong regrets. I think the
Speaker 1: basic if. I think basic human life doesn't come with anyway.
Speaker 1: Here's a if, whoever you are, whoever you are, if
Speaker 1: you were forced at this moment to exam even if
Speaker 1: you had like a really shitty life, you could examine it,
Speaker 1: and you could force yourself to have some kind of
Speaker 1: perspective where your life wasn't shitty and you would be right.
Speaker 1: Like you could like you could lay out like you
Speaker 1: could have had a horror. You could be like fifty
Speaker 1: and you just worked in like a labor camp for
Speaker 1: now Okay, well you here, Okay. What I'm saying is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is look at you could look at
Speaker 1: your life and you could go like, well, I got
Speaker 1: to drink water a couple of times. That was pretty good,
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't be wrong. This is insane. What's going
Speaker 1: on with you? Andrew? How's your life?
Speaker 3: No, but real I will I will answer that question.
Speaker 3: I just want to say, I think I feel like
Speaker 3: the understand what you're saying in terms of the like
Speaker 3: it is in some sense you know how you you know,
Speaker 3: there's a whole fucking mindset bullshit where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: your mindset, you like, mind over matter I do you know.
Speaker 3: I like to meme about that a little bit, but
Speaker 3: they they're is a grain of truth to that, I feel,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah yeah yeah, like and like you mentioned, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you could live a shitty life and you know, and
Speaker 3: and I think this will try into you know, the
Speaker 3: circumstance I'm in right now, and I'll let you know
Speaker 3: what you know, what's going on, but like, uh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: like it's some some degree right if you keep focusing
Speaker 3: on and and this is teetering and dangering into the
Speaker 3: realm of toxic positivity. But you know, if you if
Speaker 3: you focus too much on the negativity, then yeah, your
Speaker 3: life is gonna be fucking shit. And if you take
Speaker 3: the whole idea of eternal recurrence or whatever, like if
Speaker 3: you had to live your life eternally over and over
Speaker 3: and repeat, then that could be hell. Right, But if
Speaker 3: you'd looked and focused on the positives and the affirmed life,
Speaker 3: and then it's like, you know, then yeah, that you'd
Speaker 3: made a life worth living. So it's like, in some sense,
Speaker 3: you gotta Joe Joe JITs your mind, mind fucking fuck
Speaker 3: yourself into thinking or experiencing somehow the the positives. Right,
Speaker 3: that's kind of along the lines of what you're.
Speaker 1: Saying, right, yeah, one hundred percent. But also here's I'm
Speaker 1: but also but also just so you know, just so
Speaker 1: you know, I'm well, actually I'm not. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say I'm a hypocrite, but I'm actually not a hypocrite because.
Speaker 3: Well it's okay to be a hypocrite, right, life is
Speaker 3: all fucks and becoming Right, Well, okay.
Speaker 1: So let me let me let me throw this out here,
Speaker 1: and I is go ahead, Yeah, is per kno los
Speaker 1: dose because I have a strong belief. I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: I have certain I have certain external conditions that I
Speaker 1: desire for my life, and I am in active pursuit
Speaker 1: of those external conditions, and I think it's good. I
Speaker 1: think it's good to be in active pursuit of external
Speaker 1: conditions for your life that you believe will make you happier.
Speaker 1: And yes, there are I think it can be true
Speaker 1: that there are unquestionably external conditions that make your life
Speaker 1: better and internal conditions that make your life better. So like,
Speaker 1: so a TOC toxic positivity would be the dismissal of
Speaker 1: any and all possibility for any external conditions to make
Speaker 1: your life better. And be like, bro, one hundred percent
Speaker 1: of it is in your mind, dude, Like just think
Speaker 1: that life is good, yestivity, but like a little bit
Speaker 1: of like, hey, you know mine, your perspective is important,
Speaker 1: and not hating your life and occasionally going well, I
Speaker 1: got to drink water that was pretty good, combined with
Speaker 1: you know, let me strive better external conditions is good.
Speaker 1: That's like some Yin and yang shit, So right yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah optimal, Yeah yeah, I would agree with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you know you're eating a ship as that
Speaker 3: if I may borrow from mister Bill Burr. You know,
Speaker 3: you're everyone's eating a shit sandwich, right, but some people
Speaker 3: got a little bit of sprinkles on there or something
Speaker 3: like that, right, So if you're eating the shit sandwich,
Speaker 3: you know you're still eating it. It sucks ass, but
Speaker 3: at least you got a little bit of sprinkles on there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Let's going on with you, Andrew? What's happening? What you
Speaker 1: said you have a thing to talk about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't know. It was just like
Speaker 3: it's nothing too crazy, you know. You know, I was
Speaker 3: I was dating some lady for a bit, like me,
Speaker 3: It wasn't even that long, but I felt like I
Speaker 3: got to know them pretty well. And you know, we
Speaker 3: were talking for about a month month and a half,
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, I thought like she was really interested.
Speaker 3: She seemed like she was I don't know if it
Speaker 3: was like her life is really busy. I mean like
Speaker 3: it seemed like she was doing graduate school and had
Speaker 3: a lot of other things going on in her life.
Speaker 3: And there was a little bit of mancus, as Dan
Speaker 3: Geestling would say, mancus around the uh you know, around
Speaker 3: her responding and all that. But yeah, I just got
Speaker 3: ghosted and that kind of sucks ass. But you know,
Speaker 3: I just journaled that. I was like, yeah, this sucks ass,
Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't know, maybe I should also
Speaker 3: be grateful for the for the things that I have
Speaker 3: and what I have. I at least have my body,
Speaker 3: at least I have can run, I can go bold
Speaker 3: and all that, and even though that sucks ass, you know,
Speaker 3: it is what it is.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, yeah, what so also.
Speaker 3: Looking for jobs? That sucks ass too? Go ahead?
Speaker 1: Was this so?
Speaker 3: Wait?
Speaker 1: Was this a girl that you were like seeing for
Speaker 1: a while or like, what what was the deal with her?
Speaker 3: No, it was just like we met on bumble and
Speaker 3: then went on the first you know one, a couple yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: a couple of dates and then seeing each other and
Speaker 3: then I think it was like after the sixth date, yeah,
Speaker 3: and then it was like it was weird too. I
Speaker 3: just just don't I don't know what the hell. I
Speaker 3: just wish that, you know, I get it. It's not
Speaker 3: easy to tell someone that, like, hey, look it is fine.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're not interested, you're not fit interested,
Speaker 3: that's okay, just let me know and you know, or
Speaker 3: something gets in the way, that's totally okay, but like,
Speaker 3: I just wish they would have told me, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, you're right. I know it sucks, it sucks,
Speaker 1: it sucks. Yeah yeah yeah, but I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm curious about your life in general.
Speaker 1: How old are you?
Speaker 3: Uh, twenty seven?
Speaker 4: Ok?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just working on my server right now. I went
Speaker 3: to university, thought I was going to do pharmacy. Then
Speaker 3: I realized my dad that shit fucking sucks ass. I
Speaker 3: love organic chemistry, worked in a lab that also sucked ass,
Speaker 3: and I realized I was like, damn, why am I
Speaker 3: even doing this shit. I'm just doing this because like
Speaker 3: I was told to do it. And then that was
Speaker 3: also during COVID and quarantine. I was like probably depressed
Speaker 3: as shit or whatever. Then I went to Japan for
Speaker 3: a month with my brothers, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 3: I think it reinvigorated like some confidence in me, because
Speaker 3: then I came back and I was like doing all
Speaker 3: this stuff that I used to do when I was younger,
Speaker 3: like eighteen nineteen, reading existentialist fiction all that shit that
Speaker 3: I was and journaling too. So I feel like there's
Speaker 3: a renewed like a revitalization within me.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, what tell me? I'm actually I'm recording this
Speaker 1: in Japan right now? What are you doing?
Speaker 3: What the hell?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you do? What were you doing in
Speaker 1: Japan for a month?
Speaker 3: It was crazy? I don't even know. It was the
Speaker 3: oddest circumstances. Okay, I got a couple of stores, Lord,
Speaker 3: go ahead, Japan. It was great. It was. It was
Speaker 3: for a month. And thank you for letting me bloviate
Speaker 3: on end by. By the way, I thank you. I
Speaker 3: understand it's the whole stick, but you know, thank you still.
Speaker 3: So basically, this is just something I always wanted to do,
Speaker 3: you know. I like the anime and Mango whatever in
Speaker 3: high school. Don't really watch that much anime anymore, you know.
Speaker 3: And let's see, I was working Papa John for a
Speaker 3: little bit, was saving up money here and there. Luckily
Speaker 3: I have the fortunate of being fortunate to live with
Speaker 3: my parents, so saving up a lot of money. And
Speaker 3: then fucking h yeah, I just did Papa John's doing
Speaker 3: side jobs here and there, saving up more money. And
Speaker 3: then I was like, bro, let's just go to Japan, right,
Speaker 3: And then my dentist, somehow, my dentists learned about that,
Speaker 3: and he's Japanese and so you know, I went to
Speaker 3: him and he put me in contact with this this older,
Speaker 3: older lady and she's like in her seventies and she
Speaker 3: was very you know, uh, helped us around with showing
Speaker 3: you know, online or texting us information and helping us
Speaker 3: around Japan. She wanted to help us in Japan. So
Speaker 3: we and and and so you know, jump forward to
Speaker 3: going to Japan. And by the way, let me know
Speaker 3: if there's any plot holes or whatever or something just.
Speaker 1: So you Yeah, your your dentist hooks you up with this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you hang out with Yeah? Do you hang out
Speaker 1: with your dentist's friend in Japan? Or does she just
Speaker 1: like text you like here's a restaurant to go to
Speaker 1: take you around?
Speaker 3: So she she was just like hey, yeah, I can
Speaker 3: just show you around. I can show you around Tokyo
Speaker 3: like I can. Yeah, I can just help you guys around.
Speaker 3: And yeah, we met up with her like we landed,
Speaker 3: and she was texting us like Okay, I'm wearing this
Speaker 3: like handkerchief and and like yeah, and then we met
Speaker 3: up with her. Okay. The other thing too, is I
Speaker 3: was studying Japanese and I'm gonna be honest right now,
Speaker 3: Like after coming back from Japan, I haven't studied or
Speaker 3: immersed myself any materials. So yeah, Japanese fucking ass. But
Speaker 3: my brother, Dude, my brother's crazy. He's younger than me.
Speaker 2: God bless my brother.
Speaker 3: He just watches you know, YouTube Japanese content and you know,
Speaker 3: so I kind of relied on him a little bit.
Speaker 3: He was much better. I mean, my his ability was okay,
Speaker 3: but his is better than mine. And he's like he's
Speaker 3: ten years younger than me, so he was seventeen and so.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, though she was so hard to understand,
Speaker 3: maybe because like I don't know if it's because Mike,
Speaker 3: I mean, I gat me he's fucking ass, but like
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's like the dialect thing or
Speaker 3: what because there was another dude later on we were
Speaker 3: this is like I feel like almost got sucked up
Speaker 3: by a cult too, And that'll be later. But like,
Speaker 3: if that's okay with you, I would like to tell
Speaker 3: you about the cult dude, but like at least alleged
Speaker 3: alleged alleged cult dude. Alleged cult dude.
Speaker 1: In okay, you, how did you get the recording to
Speaker 1: all right, so you all right, let me. So you
Speaker 1: go to Japan and your dentist is like, I have
Speaker 1: a I have a friend who can show you around,
Speaker 1: and so you meet up with your dentist. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you d you guys, So you're hanging out with your
Speaker 1: dentist cousin, which sounds like something someone about in no
Speaker 1: way shape before and do I think you're lying about this?
Speaker 1: But any anytime someone uses the phrase I was hanging
Speaker 1: out with my dentist cousin, it sounds like they're lying.
Speaker 3: But I mean, hey, look, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think you're lying. I mean you, then you, then you,
Speaker 1: then you, then you get involved in a cult.
Speaker 3: Well okay, that's a little bit later because the reason
Speaker 3: why I'll let you know why we kind of I
Speaker 3: don't even know if.
Speaker 5: It is a cult.
Speaker 3: I just feel like it is. I'll lay up the
Speaker 3: evidence and you can come to your own conclusion. But
Speaker 3: I mean, before that, when we meet up with her,
Speaker 3: he also mentioned like, hey, there's also like these TV
Speaker 3: Japanese interviewers there. They'll probably interview or something. And I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, yeah, I mean probably, but I didn't
Speaker 3: really think anything of it. And then you know, you know,
Speaker 3: if I think about third person, like here it is
Speaker 3: three white dudes just talking to this old elderly you know,
Speaker 3: Japanese woman, right, and you know, they're like, damn, this
Speaker 3: is crazy. Let's get the scoop, right, So they come
Speaker 3: up to us and they're like, we have a Japanese
Speaker 3: TV can we interview you? And I was like, at first,
Speaker 3: I was like I don't know if I wanted, but
Speaker 3: I was like, fuck it, you know what, let's just
Speaker 3: do it. Let's take the challenge. Just do it. This
Speaker 3: is crazy because we did it. And then they were like, hey,
Speaker 3: can we follow you around tomorrow and just inter like,
Speaker 3: watch you guys the whole day with such your or uh,
Speaker 3: I don't want to say her name. Sorry, I don't
Speaker 3: know if there's any way to whatever her and and
Speaker 3: and so like then and this is from TV Tokyo,
Speaker 3: so apparently we have a whole episode of us just
Speaker 3: walking around, you know, in Japan with with with with her,
Speaker 3: and that was it was crazy. Every everyone there was
Speaker 3: so kind, so generous, Like the translator was so cool.
Speaker 3: We're talking about how people learned English.
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, wait, what's the story. It's just like, hey,
Speaker 1: three white dudes came to Japan, like what what's the
Speaker 1: what's the new?
Speaker 2: I know, I don't know, And that's what I'm thinking too.
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, it was the point of the show
Speaker 3: is like why did you come to Japan? So I
Speaker 3: guess for them, they're like, well, let's just follow them
Speaker 3: around Japan with this. This just them talking to a
Speaker 3: Japanese lady. I mean, I guess it's just I guess.
Speaker 3: I guess it's odd because it's like three white dudes
Speaker 3: who you know, like you said, their dentist cousin. It's
Speaker 3: like separation.
Speaker 1: This guy went. I guess honestly, this guy went to
Speaker 1: Japan to hang out with his dentist cousin is a
Speaker 1: somewhat interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, yeah, I get that, and I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just around I'm titling.
Speaker 1: I'm titling this episode. I hung out with my dentist's cousin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I got I mean yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean that's crazy. I mean, like, when I think about
Speaker 3: it like that, it is kind of crazy and weird.
Speaker 1: It's not that it's it's just wait, So okay, so
Speaker 1: this this TV show, did you ever see like.
Speaker 3: The yeah episode, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, so so, And the other is the is the episode?
Speaker 1: Like can like is the episode?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Can I find it on YouTube?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: I don't think you can find it on YouTube. I
Speaker 3: was able to download and record the video. I go
Speaker 3: to so many hoops to do it, Like I don't
Speaker 3: even know if I should even be saying this, but
Speaker 3: like I do have a download, but I think it's
Speaker 3: like I don't think you could. The show is called
Speaker 3: white like you know, nihona noney o or some ship
Speaker 3: I can't noney that goes to show ship my fucking
Speaker 3: Japanese now is but it's like why did you come
Speaker 3: to Japan? It's like TV Tokyo, which is like the
Speaker 3: number one broadcasting you know, uh whatever Japan.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I'm I'm looking at it on I'm looking
Speaker 1: at it on on on Google right now. It's all
Speaker 1: in Japanese. I can't really see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, wait, so like the episode my episode or like.
Speaker 1: No, no, your episode. I'm just on the I am
Speaker 1: on the like the show page. Son posted it in
Speaker 1: the chat.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah yeah so that's that's that's I'm also
Speaker 3: having whipp freaking robots.
Speaker 1: This is yeah, this is this is a verifiable, real
Speaker 1: story that someone Yeah it.
Speaker 3: Is, yeah, yeah for real, it's It's true. It's and
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's like crazy at least for me,
Speaker 3: Like I never would have expected any of that to happen. Again,
Speaker 3: I'm eternally grateful for everything that they did for me
Speaker 3: and and what they you know, like like you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just crazy. Like I don't know if you have you.
Speaker 1: Have the episode.
Speaker 3: I do have the episode recorded, Yeah, I do. It's
Speaker 3: all my Like it's like I think it's on my
Speaker 3: Google drive somewhere. I don't even know why I should.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I well, that's the funny thing is
Speaker 1: is like I would be kind of sick to be
Speaker 1: able to watch it, but then I don't. You're I
Speaker 1: don't want you to get in I don't want either
Speaker 1: of us to get in trouble with Japanese. Yah.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah that's my that's my my fear.
Speaker 1: So you know, like so okay, so, so so what
Speaker 1: what was the episode like? Like, I mean, if you
Speaker 1: can't show it to us, describe it, what was it like?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So basically okay, So what the episode was like
Speaker 3: is basic. You know, we're in this hotel, they come
Speaker 3: by and so, uh, you know, she's showing us around. Uh,
Speaker 3: let me get this, let me get my it's been
Speaker 3: a little bit. So yeah, basically we go to Hachiko statue.
Speaker 3: She shows a shabuyah scramble and excuse me, Oh my lord,
Speaker 3: there's a peanut butter sandwich coming up. Excuse me. But
Speaker 3: she yeah, we you know, going around Shibuya scramble. And
Speaker 3: then they're like, hey, let's go down this. I wish
Speaker 3: I could remember the street, some street, and oh, let's
Speaker 3: do picuda And so Petticuda is, like I guess, really
Speaker 3: popular in Japan. It's like, I guess young girls like
Speaker 3: going there to take cute photos or something something like
Speaker 3: that or some shit. And so, oh dude, and that's
Speaker 3: the other thing. Right before that, they wanted to get
Speaker 3: me kind of shot at me eating takoyaki, and I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, but it was like hot and shit, dude,
Speaker 3: it came straight off the damn the damn presses and
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, I'm doing it for the
Speaker 3: damn camera. I'm gonna eat this takoyaki. And I burnt
Speaker 3: my damn mouth on the damn takoyaki. But yeah, there's
Speaker 3: like they had Takoyaki went to Petty coulda. We took
Speaker 3: like like super Kawhi photos and whatever. I mean in
Speaker 3: between segments where you know, I'm talking to the to
Speaker 3: the cameraman, I'm talking, I'm trying to talk to them
Speaker 3: and my shitty Japanese and my brother's also helping me tremendously,
Speaker 3: you know, so you know, trying to talk to them,
Speaker 3: and then obviously we have the translator, which is that
Speaker 3: guy was cool as hell too. Man, that guy was
Speaker 3: so awesome. It's like damn yeah. So you know, we're
Speaker 3: talking to him and then so let me get back
Speaker 3: on track. This is now my I'm trying to keep
Speaker 3: this as linear as possible, So sorry about you know,
Speaker 3: taking little diversions. So you know, then after that we
Speaker 3: go to A. So that's the other thing too. The
Speaker 3: guy we we were kind of like, we were like,
Speaker 3: I don't know when this episode is gonna end, but
Speaker 3: like the guy was like, let's finish it off at
Speaker 3: A at A you know, let's eat somewhere and let's
Speaker 3: finish off the episode there. And so you know, we're there,
Speaker 3: like where'd you guys want to go? And we're like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, we're not really that hungry. Maybe we
Speaker 3: could eat fucking dude. I said that as a kind
Speaker 3: of a joke, but like I was like, dude, let's
Speaker 3: go eat you don't, which is like you don't go
Speaker 3: eat you don't with like a bunch of I guess
Speaker 3: like in an episode like that. There's like a meme
Speaker 3: in Japan but Chiegu, which is like, you know, you
Speaker 3: eat Tigu is basically.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, Guton's like the beef ball, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: The beef ball. Yeah, the beef balls. Hey no, there
Speaker 3: ain't nothing wrong with the beef bowl. Right. But there's
Speaker 3: like a meme about like Chigu, which is like if
Speaker 3: you put cheese on gute your youw don't you like
Speaker 3: you look like basically like that in cell looking kind
Speaker 3: of guy. You kind of look like that you look
Speaker 3: at that's like like a editing or whatever. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's a beta thing, but like there's a certain
Speaker 3: physiognomy that a type of person who's chiegu you guns
Speaker 3: or whatever. And like I mentioned it to the to
Speaker 3: the producer and he just kind of fucking lasts. He's like, no,
Speaker 3: we're not doing that ship And so like you know,
Speaker 3: we're trying to find different places to eat at and all.
Speaker 3: Obviously there's a whole like you can't go into a
Speaker 3: building without asking you know, oh wait, okay, can I
Speaker 3: let me backchuck a little bit. We also went to
Speaker 3: tower records. That was cool as hell being able to
Speaker 3: like see all the damn records and tower records that
Speaker 3: was awesome as hell.
Speaker 1: Like let me tell you, let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: me ask you this. Okay, So you're on this Japanese
Speaker 1: television show and you went here for like a month,
Speaker 1: and let's get I want to get back yes to
Speaker 1: the ultimate narrative of you because you said that this
Speaker 1: experience was quite transformative for you. Is what is what
Speaker 1: you were saying? And and how like how did it
Speaker 1: reinvigorate you?
Speaker 3: Like I don't think I realized it during during there
Speaker 3: during the whole process. I think it was more so
Speaker 3: after the fact. I think it was, And it sort
Speaker 3: of aligns with the whole like maybe more so in
Speaker 3: like this narrative that you tell yourself, like you keep
Speaker 3: telling yourself this narrative. I think it was like I
Speaker 3: realized that I was in a shit run and like
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't want to do pharmacy. I didn't
Speaker 3: want to do fucking work in a lab, but I
Speaker 3: didn't know what the fuck I wanted to do. And
Speaker 3: I was, you know, here I am graduated with a
Speaker 3: biochem degree, but now here I'm working as a server
Speaker 3: somewhere like this ego thing about it. And you know,
Speaker 3: I also got like some injury like scapular winging, and
Speaker 3: so like I kind of lost my ability to you know,
Speaker 3: exercise too. I liked exercising, and you know, I was
Speaker 3: just like getting this right constantly, just day and day out,
Speaker 3: being at home doing the same damn thing over and
Speaker 3: over again. And then I you know, I probably lost
Speaker 3: some sort of controls. I had an eating disorder and
Speaker 3: that was also fucking me up and making me depressed.
Speaker 3: And then I think, but what I think, I think
Speaker 3: it was my my my hypothesis for why it maybe
Speaker 3: got me out in trance, why I feel this now
Speaker 3: revitalization is I feel like during that process I felt
Speaker 3: like maybe I didn't I had no value, or at
Speaker 3: least I wasn't able to do things like I like.
Speaker 3: I guess how I would describe it as when you
Speaker 3: go to the gym, you get some sort of confidence
Speaker 3: because like, oh, look, I was able to do this
Speaker 3: thing that I you know, I wasn't able to do right,
Speaker 3: or at least I didn't think I was able to.
Speaker 3: And I have I can show it off with my
Speaker 3: muscle or whatever, or you know, you go and you
Speaker 3: do something way.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to interrupt you. But somebody in the chat found your episode.
Speaker 1: Somebody in the chat found your episode.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, really, I'm looking a yeah, I'm looking at it.
Speaker 1: There's like an article about it. There's an art. Is
Speaker 1: this you wearing the Mad TV shirt? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mac mac DeMarco wasn't mad, but it's like a
Speaker 3: Mac DeMarco kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah is that you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's me, dude.
Speaker 1: That's so sick. That's awesome.
Speaker 3: I know, it's fucking crazy. I don't know, it's crazy, man,
Speaker 3: it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is a real, verifiable story. Sorry, go ahead,
Speaker 1: I'm interdrop.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's true. No, yeah, but real man. And if
Speaker 3: they can somehow find the episode, you know, it's been
Speaker 3: a it's been a bit. I don't know if you can,
Speaker 3: but there's definitely that. Yeah, there's that article and then like,
Speaker 3: I guess I got myself out of that, right, Like
Speaker 3: I don't know. In some sense too, during the whole
Speaker 3: planning of the whole month of Japan, I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can fucking do this. I
Speaker 3: don't know if I want to, Like I was also
Speaker 3: clinging so desperately to my routine, and I was like, fuck, no,
Speaker 3: fuck it, let's just go ahead and do it. And
Speaker 3: I think it was just like being out in Japan,
Speaker 3: you know, doing this thing that I thought I wasn't
Speaker 3: able to do, and also proving to myself. I think
Speaker 3: this is my hypothesis, is why. I mean, maybe it
Speaker 3: could be something completely different. I don't know, but like
Speaker 3: that I was capable of doing these things I wasn't
Speaker 3: able to do, and then coming back and then maybe
Speaker 3: realizing that subconsciously that had re reinvigorated into me some
Speaker 3: sort of confidence that I can do these things that
Speaker 3: you know, I don't need.
Speaker 1: To be told what to do.
Speaker 3: I can from in my own meaning and value.
Speaker 1: And see, Andrew, this is this is in se Andrew,
Speaker 1: you know what is you accomplished that not by talking
Speaker 1: and thinking endlessly in circles about how to figure out
Speaker 1: how to do stuff. You accomplished it by you accomplished
Speaker 1: it by being on a Japanese TV show.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, just like fucking doing shit. Just like yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean like there's a time and place for thinking.
Speaker 3: But also just like ties into this book I was
Speaker 3: reading about the Outsider, you know, yeah, you just gotta Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's it's a dynamic. There's a dynamic, dynamic aspect of life.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, So so let's so, let's so let's rail
Speaker 1: this on home, Andrew, let me ask you this before
Speaker 1: we go. Okay, so, now that you are reinvigorated and
Speaker 1: that you've you've realized through a combination of through through, through,
Speaker 1: and this is the main idea of what the whole
Speaker 1: thing that we've been talking about is you. Now you've
Speaker 1: realized this through a combination of action followed by thinking
Speaker 1: and revaluation and whatnot. A little ya, a little yang.
Speaker 1: What's next? What do you?
Speaker 3: What do you?
Speaker 1: What's next for you? What do you want to do
Speaker 1: the next?
Speaker 3: I think, I know, I think I know. Now I
Speaker 3: need to forget the fuck out of my house. I
Speaker 3: need to move out, I need to find a different job,
Speaker 3: and I need to just like do something outdoors, find
Speaker 3: some sort of job outdoors, and just you know, as
Speaker 3: long as I can just read, I can walk, I
Speaker 3: can run, I can boulder. If I can keep those
Speaker 3: variables the same and just do that ship, that's that's
Speaker 3: the next thing I'm going to be doing, you know.
Speaker 3: So right now you're just in the middle of doing
Speaker 3: job applications and ship and get the hell out of
Speaker 3: here and move out. And that's what I need to do.
Speaker 1: Man, Andrew. Uh, this I I appreciate. Uh, I appreciate
Speaker 1: this conversation. This was this was really fun.
Speaker 3: I can I actually I appreciate too. This is crazy.
Speaker 1: Can I maybe maybe, uh maybe I'll put a link
Speaker 1: to the Should I this is? This is not typical
Speaker 1: of what I usually do? But can I? Should I
Speaker 1: put a link to the article in in like the
Speaker 1: in like the episode description, just so people can see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want God bless the rest.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, this is fun. This is fun.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll put I'll put a link to to
Speaker 1: the article in the in the episode description, just so
Speaker 1: people can see this ship. Wow, I love this. I
Speaker 1: love this is. This is by the way, I just
Speaker 1: I appreciate your story because this is this. This is
Speaker 1: what I really want my podcast to be about. Is
Speaker 1: like here, here's here's a man who found who found
Speaker 1: reinvigoration for his life by accidentally being on a Japanese
Speaker 1: TV show. That's those are the kinds of stories I
Speaker 1: want to report them.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean like some of becoming like you
Speaker 3: know me too, I'm still trying to figure out my
Speaker 3: shit too, and you know, not everything is all you know,
Speaker 3: some flowers and daisies or whatever, but like, of course,
Speaker 3: I mean if that can be any sort of like
Speaker 3: indication for others or whatever, then you know, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. And again, thank you for letting me speak
Speaker 3: to you too and all that. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Andrew's anything else you want to say to the people
Speaker 1: of the computer before we go?
Speaker 3: Uh? Anything else is saying? I think I spoke my piece.
Speaker 3: I just hope the rest of you and everything else
Speaker 3: in your guys' life, you know, it turns out well
Speaker 3: or you get to do whatever you need to do
Speaker 3: or all that shit. I guess I don't really have
Speaker 3: that much else.
Speaker 1: Just keep living, you know, Thank you, Andrew.
Speaker 3: I never kill yourself, keep it fifty fift.
Speaker 1: Don't ever kill yourself. Keep it fifty to fifty. God
Speaker 1: bless you, Andrew, keep going. I'm gonna keep running on
Speaker 1: that treadmill, or don't. It's actually I think I should
Speaker 1: take a break. But God bless you Andrew. You take care,
Speaker 1: you have a the rest of the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Papa bless thank you you doo okay, thank you, Lyle,
Speaker 3: See you later.
Speaker 1: Brother, later, brother. I liked that guy. That guy was.
Speaker 1: That was a cool guy. That was a good guy.
Speaker 1: That's got that was a That man was a real
Speaker 1: life trooper right there. That guy. I felt that. I
Speaker 1: felt that man's wavelength. That man. You ever talk to
Speaker 1: someone who they just have never thought about anything, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like, how are you even alive? And
Speaker 1: then you talk to and then it's nice because I
Speaker 1: tell you, you talk to a guy like Andrew, and
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, you've thought about everything. You've thought
Speaker 1: about everything. And because there's two types of people. There's
Speaker 1: people who've never not two types of people, but there
Speaker 1: exists two types of people. Not finitely, but people have
Speaker 1: thought about nothing. And when you meet someone who they've
Speaker 1: thought about nothing, uh, you're like her, you alive, you know.
Speaker 1: And then you meet someone you know whose brain maybe
Speaker 1: works a little bit more like uh, like like mind does,
Speaker 1: or like Andrew does, where it's like, oh, you've thought
Speaker 1: about too many things. How are you alive?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: And the answer is you just keep going, You just
Speaker 1: keep not dying. That's how you stay alive is every
Speaker 1: day you keep avoiding death and danger in mayhem, and
Speaker 1: you keep trudging on, you keep moving to the finish line.
Speaker 1: And if you're lucky, you you wind up a talking
Speaker 1: gecko or you wind up on a Japanese TV show
Speaker 1: with your dentist's cousin. That's what I've learned about life
Speaker 1: in the past forty minutes. Hey, what's up?
Speaker 5: Hey, what's hell?
Speaker 3: Gek?
Speaker 1: How you doing? What's your name?
Speaker 5: My name is Addie Man Addie Addie.
Speaker 1: That's like when it's like when you're yeah, like when
Speaker 1: you go to a party and you're like, where's the party?
Speaker 1: Send me the Addie.
Speaker 5: It's actually att wide short for Atticus, like.
Speaker 1: Like oh, like the butt, like a walking bird.
Speaker 5: That was a rough like week of high school. That
Speaker 5: was like a lot of hearing that name. You don't
Speaker 5: you don't usually hear that name, just like out and.
Speaker 1: About no, not really what did you Did you read
Speaker 1: it or did you spark note it?
Speaker 5: I read this ship out of that my dad and
Speaker 5: my mom kind of like peer pressured me when I
Speaker 5: was a little kid to read it because they were like,
Speaker 5: that's what you're named after. It's like important.
Speaker 1: Uh what oh oh, so you're named after the book,
Speaker 1: so that is where you got the name.
Speaker 5: See, I asked them and they kind of just like
Speaker 5: side shift the conversation and they I think they like
Speaker 5: to tell people that, but I feel like there's an
Speaker 5: ulterior motive.
Speaker 1: What's going on, Addie? What makes you want to call
Speaker 1: a get go on the phone today?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 5: So, like I have this walk to class and it's
Speaker 5: really cold, and I like to listen to your podcast
Speaker 5: while I walk. And last week I heard someone talking
Speaker 5: about how they felt like they're disappointing their like dad
Speaker 5: and that they have like a work relation with them.
Speaker 5: Because that's kind of what happens with me, is I
Speaker 5: like work with my dad, and I worry a lot
Speaker 5: lately at least that I'm like this appointing him and
Speaker 5: kind of my family, and it's like making me feel
Speaker 5: a little shittier about kind of like the choices I'm
Speaker 5: making in my life.
Speaker 1: How old are you in college?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm twenty one. I'm in college. I'm about to graduate.
Speaker 1: You said you're disappointed with the choices you're making in
Speaker 1: your life.
Speaker 5: I kind of, I don't know. I feel like they're
Speaker 5: not great. I feel like they're kind of self destructive
Speaker 5: in a way, Like I feel like I have a
Speaker 5: good thing go like going for me. So it feels
Speaker 5: kind of like sometimes the choices I make are like
Speaker 5: just dumb, like they're kind of like like what Philly
Speaker 5: So like Okay, So like the big thing is like
Speaker 5: why I think I'm disappointing my parents is like I'm
Speaker 5: kind of big into like weed and I grow it.
Speaker 5: And the whole thing is that I've kind of like
Speaker 5: lately kind of like you got a lot of weed
Speaker 5: and I'm a broke college students. What do you do?
Speaker 5: You like sell it to your friends? And I've kind
Speaker 5: of gotten in a little hot water for that, And
Speaker 5: it's like feels just like it's a silly decision, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, uh, well, here's the thing is that there's actually
Speaker 1: a lot of people I'm gonna I'm gonna take a
Speaker 1: different I'm gonna take an alternative stance on this I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna take an alternative stance on this one.
Speaker 1: What state are you? Are you in a or don't
Speaker 1: tell me about state you're in, but are you in
Speaker 1: a legal state?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 5: It's recently legal, like in the last few years for sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you I mean, because why don't you're like
Speaker 1: on the border?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Like I'm gonna be honest here. I think
Speaker 5: some people I know because I like, I grew up
Speaker 5: in the other state and I'm in the border of one.
Speaker 5: Like I'm gonna be honest here. Like no self admittance.
Speaker 5: I'm definitely questionable, you know, in in where they're from.
Speaker 1: Well, hold on, hold on, you're no, no, no, you're
Speaker 1: unquestionably doing something illegal no matter what what here. Just
Speaker 1: because you're in a just just because you're in a
Speaker 1: state where you can legally buy weed does not mean
Speaker 1: that you can legally grow and sell weed as just
Speaker 1: like a guy.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think I'm doing anything like that bad, Like,
Speaker 5: I mean no.
Speaker 1: But that's but that's not what the question question is
Speaker 1: whether or not. But here's okay, But hold on back
Speaker 1: to what I was saying, is, why don't you I
Speaker 1: don't know. Once you go pro you're twenty one, I I.
Speaker 5: Mean I definitely could. I'm working on it, like right now,
Speaker 5: you know, like my state has like some stuff getting
Speaker 5: some like like legalization for businesses, and I'm doing the
Speaker 5: stuff to do that. But it's more of just like
Speaker 5: it feels like my my parents are definitely getting in
Speaker 5: the direction like week by week almost months by month,
Speaker 5: and it's like, uh, they don't want me to go
Speaker 5: that route. They kind of want me to like choose
Speaker 5: a traditional route. I think my dad really wants me
Speaker 5: to take over like the family business. He really wants
Speaker 5: me to like connect it out. And it just feels
Speaker 5: like every day I go there, you know, it's like
Speaker 5: and I like see him, it's like slowly but surely
Speaker 5: he's kind of giving me that eye almost kind of
Speaker 5: like even though he may not necessarily agree with the
Speaker 5: like the practices of it, I think it's more of
Speaker 5: just the general like stigma is kind of leaning them out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but it brother trying to start your own
Speaker 1: little family business.
Speaker 5: That's true, that's very but.
Speaker 1: But why don't you go Here's what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't really actually I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about this industry, but like, how hard is it
Speaker 1: for you to go pro? Like do you need a
Speaker 1: bunch of expensive.
Speaker 5: It's money, you know, it's definitely the money part. But
Speaker 5: I also am like I'm a little worried about like
Speaker 5: the image part of it too, is like people say,
Speaker 5: you know, you don't have to care what other I mean,
Speaker 5: Like the big thing is, like I've noticed lately, like
Speaker 5: a lot of kids that went to high school with
Speaker 5: and like people I know are are definitely starting to
Speaker 5: like I'm starting to lose some of the connections. It
Speaker 5: seems like some people are starting to like not necessarily
Speaker 5: see me the same way. It kind of feels like
Speaker 5: my my ambitions and dreams are kind of correlating against
Speaker 5: like what my the general image of like going on
Speaker 5: in life. And I know you're probably gonna say, like, oh,
Speaker 5: you don't need those people and like whatever, but it's like,
Speaker 5: I don't know, It's like it feels it's a little
Speaker 5: hurtful in a way, Like my friends and my family
Speaker 5: are kind of feeling that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, of course, I you know what, and yes,
Speaker 1: I was probably yes, I was probably going to go
Speaker 1: on a rant very similar to the rant that you
Speaker 1: think I'm going to go on. But also, you know, look, man,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not connected to your situation in anyway, and
Speaker 1: I'm not used. Of course, it's easy for me to
Speaker 1: say those things, and I know that the actually feeling
Speaker 1: them is quite a different thing. But well, I here's
Speaker 1: the thing. Is like weed aside, like the stigmas of
Speaker 1: weed aside. I mean, entrepreneurship is awesome, and I think
Speaker 1: like starting your own business is awesome and his great,
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean that's I can't help you
Speaker 1: in terms of like what your friends and your family think.
Speaker 1: But that's what I get out of it, is like,
Speaker 1: this is a this is a young man trying to
Speaker 1: make his own buck in this in this lawless hell
Speaker 1: scape of of of of twenty twenty five America, And
Speaker 1: by god, I do I do. I I just support that,
Speaker 1: you know, And if it happens to be in marijuana,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, whatever marijuana is basically, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like cigarettes. It's like nothing it is it is.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's like that.
Speaker 1: Way cigarettes A right, cigarettes are.
Speaker 5: Bad with the degree, but it feels kind of rough,
Speaker 5: you know. That's that's the role I'm kind of getting
Speaker 5: into is like, you know, it may not be as bad,
Speaker 5: but it's also like the you know, I got a degree,
Speaker 5: and it feels like I'm kind of going into something
Speaker 5: that like not a lot of people have degrees, or
Speaker 5: that I might not even make it, might have to
Speaker 5: work something else, you know. Because that's the thing is
Speaker 5: like going every day and seeing my dad kind of
Speaker 5: likes feel kind of disappointed about it. It's kind of
Speaker 5: leaning me out. It's making me kind of want to
Speaker 5: leave my income, make it try and work. But then
Speaker 5: it's like that stability, you know, like that was really
Speaker 5: it was a good message, you know.
Speaker 1: Like well, wait, what's the family business?
Speaker 5: Well, so like my my dad he owns like a
Speaker 5: greenhouse company, but it's a It's the problem is that
Speaker 5: like it's it's relatively decent, like it does well for
Speaker 5: our area, so people know me, and that's where kind
Speaker 5: of that image comes in, Like I think he kind
Speaker 5: of it's like a black sheep of the kid kind
Speaker 5: of thing. Mm hmm. And I've had some problems before,
Speaker 5: like growing up, so it's kind of it kind of
Speaker 5: feels like it's all compounding into like one one big thing.
Speaker 5: You know where it's like, shit, I don't know where
Speaker 5: this is gonna go in the sense of like how
Speaker 5: they're gonna treat me. Where it's where it's gonna end up,
Speaker 5: you know. I mean, I got my degree, I did
Speaker 5: I did the works, I did the things he definitely wanted.
Speaker 5: But then it's kind of like that whole weird relationship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bummer. I don't want to like. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a bummer, right because I I I
Speaker 1: it's just it's a shame that it's like the fact
Speaker 1: that your parents don't like I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak out of turn on your
Speaker 1: parents whatever. But if you're parents don't like support, if
Speaker 1: your parents don't support your own independent vision of your life,
Speaker 1: that just sucks. That is a bummer. There's no like
Speaker 1: fixing that. I think that sucks. I think that's how bummer.
Speaker 1: But I also think it would be a bummer two,
Speaker 1: you know, dilute your life because of that. I think
Speaker 1: that would that would take one bummer, that would turn
Speaker 1: one bummer into a double bummer. From from from where
Speaker 1: I stand echo it would be a compounding bummer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean That's the thing is I feel like
Speaker 5: compounding bummer is like not the end goal of growing
Speaker 5: growing up in moment in anyway, I think. I think
Speaker 5: it's just kind of like do what you love, try
Speaker 5: and enjoy your life, go about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you already find all right, So I mean
Speaker 1: you are you already fundamentally understand that. But it's just like,
Speaker 1: oh it sucks that scary. It is scary. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is scary, But I.
Speaker 5: Don't know, man, I mean, the biggest thing is like,
Speaker 5: oh sorry, it's just like, uh, it's kind of a
Speaker 5: weird thing. Is like my sister. I have an older
Speaker 5: sister and she definitely had I don't want to say
Speaker 5: she had other problems, but she had more like the
Speaker 5: big thing is she like went to had to rehab stunt,
Speaker 5: had like a whole thing. And it's it's kind of
Speaker 5: a weird comp problem because it kind of feels like
Speaker 5: I had to be the good kid growing up for
Speaker 5: a long time, and every time I made a mistake,
Speaker 5: it like like how you were saying, it's that compounding
Speaker 5: bummer almost. It feels like if I don't fill in
Speaker 5: what's going right, it's gonna kind of just eventually compounded,
Speaker 5: but like what is what are they gonna say to me?
Speaker 5: And I feel like I should just do what I enjoyed.
Speaker 5: But then it's like that, like how we were saying,
Speaker 5: it's that fear of getting over it. It's tough, just
Speaker 5: like kind of going all in, going off the deep
Speaker 5: and maybe cutting off some of the people who you
Speaker 5: may think are good for you.
Speaker 1: Well why do you, like, what do you mean go
Speaker 1: all in? Like why can't you just like kind of
Speaker 1: like like what, I don't I guess I don't understand
Speaker 1: why you because all right, your parents want you to
Speaker 1: like work on the family business, right, like can you
Speaker 1: do you not have? Are you not able to work
Speaker 1: on that for a little bit? And then also when
Speaker 1: you're not doing that, ask chat GPT how to get
Speaker 1: a fucking license to sell weed? And oh yeah, Arizona,
Speaker 1: remember the little license thing.
Speaker 5: I'm doing that. But the it's the problem is like
Speaker 5: it seems like my dad is like cutting my hours
Speaker 5: a bit recently. It seems like he he says he
Speaker 5: wants me to focus on school, and I'm like, hey, man,
Speaker 5: I need to work. I need to make money here,
Speaker 5: I need to be self sufficient independent, And it seems
Speaker 5: he's saying there's like budgetary reasons, and I'm just like, man,
Speaker 5: I just don't trust that. I feel like there's something
Speaker 5: else going on around here, because it's never been a
Speaker 5: problem before until like especially the last about six six
Speaker 5: to seven months, when I've been going really all in
Speaker 5: on my license. I've been trying to really go hard
Speaker 5: and getting it for my state. So it's kind of
Speaker 5: been like a bit.
Speaker 1: Of a you know, sorry, I just dropped a coin.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was fidgeting with it, playing
Speaker 1: with a coin and I dropped. Sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna cut that part. I'm gonna cut
Speaker 1: that out of the podcast. Actually no, actually, you know what. No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take responsibility for dropping the coin, and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Yeah. Wait, Brandon Brandon, let's leave this
Speaker 1: in the podcast. We're not not cutting any of this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a big sorry. I'm talking to Brandon Brandon. Shout out,
Speaker 1: Brandon Brandon edits the podcast. So now I'm okay, all right, anyway, anyway.
Speaker 5: Continue, I'm a leg fidget. I like to walk, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I like to walk to walk, I
Speaker 1: don't know what kind of what's what state are you in?
Speaker 1: Can I ask?
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll give myself a little docs here. I'm in Minnesota,
Speaker 5: so I'm in like the deep Northwest. And funny enough,
Speaker 5: we've actually talked about this before, about six months ago,
Speaker 5: before I really wanted to like commit myself to well
Speaker 5: because like we talked like a while back when I
Speaker 5: was just really getting like some like response we talked before.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The funny thing is, I kind of like, I don't
Speaker 5: want to say this as like my check up, but
Speaker 5: it's almost like a reinvigoration. I was sitting here and
Speaker 5: I was like, man, I'm just I'm tired. I kind
Speaker 5: of want to go to bed. And then I saw
Speaker 5: you were streaming. I was like, a man, it's been
Speaker 5: a while since.
Speaker 1: All right, well let me I mean, okay, can I
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna take can I can? I take
Speaker 1: what I acknowledged to be a blindly optimistic stance. I
Speaker 1: acknowledge this to be a blindly optimistic stance. But it's
Speaker 1: but it's worth I believe it's worth exploring, not saying
Speaker 1: it's what's gonna happen, not saying that life is always
Speaker 1: sunshine and rainbows. But it's where I think it's for
Speaker 1: recreation's sake. We can explore the blindly optimistic take, which
Speaker 1: is that, I mean, listen, you're gonna become a fucking
Speaker 1: You're gonna start a brand, right, you know, That's what
Speaker 1: this is. This shit is is you start a brand,
Speaker 1: you go to you know you, I mean, you could
Speaker 1: I just see, I just see like just I just
Speaker 1: the blind optimist take is that I just see you
Speaker 1: being able to, like, you know, you launch a little
Speaker 1: weed brand, and maybe you start going to trade shows,
Speaker 1: and maybe you start like getting involved in the Minnesota
Speaker 1: marijuana community, and then and then the culture of it,
Speaker 1: and then maybe you're like, oh shit, I actually have
Speaker 1: a bunch of new, cool, awesome friends in this industry,
Speaker 1: and I'm actually doing a bunch of new, cool, awesome stuff.
Speaker 1: And so all the people that I went to high
Speaker 1: school with who didn't really fucking do anything that are
Speaker 1: upset at me because I'm doing marijuana, I don't even
Speaker 1: think about them anymore because I'm too busy hanging out
Speaker 1: with new cool people who've accept me in my way
Speaker 1: of life. And I'm making and I'm making, and I
Speaker 1: could be and again, again, I'm not saying that this
Speaker 1: is what's going to happen, because yes, of course all
Speaker 1: the time, but you could also be making way more
Speaker 1: fucking money than if you took over your dad's business.
Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying that these are guaranteed things,
Speaker 1: but I am saying that these are these are things
Speaker 1: worth aspiring to and giving a shot at, because why
Speaker 1: they're fucking mouth why yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah sure. So
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like.
Speaker 5: It's like you are right, it is. We did end
Speaker 5: on the of who gives a fuck of who like
Speaker 5: what everyone else is doing, do what I need to do,
Speaker 5: which is the correct feel we yesh, Yeah, I think
Speaker 5: that is the right approach. I think it is the
Speaker 5: mentality I should have. I think it's gonna help me
Speaker 5: just get out there not worry about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so cool. I like it's also it's
Speaker 1: just so cool. It's like you're gonna you could start
Speaker 1: a brand of like your own fucking weed and you
Speaker 1: get involved in like a scene culture.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying to be sustainable. I want to provide
Speaker 5: something for a community. But most of the things we
Speaker 5: have ever heard of, like ditch weed that's what we
Speaker 5: got up here mostly No that it's it's oh so
Speaker 5: it's like it's people call like brickweed ditch weed. It's
Speaker 5: like comes from Mexico. It's like it's what they bring
Speaker 5: over the border. It's like way back when. And it's
Speaker 5: the whole thing is that it would come in like
Speaker 5: plastic field cases, so it looks like a brick and
Speaker 5: they wouldn't dry or ferment it, so it's not like
Speaker 5: mole and it's called like ditch weed. It's what we
Speaker 5: got up here because it's it's Minnesota, you.
Speaker 1: Know where, what's what city are you near? Like a
Speaker 1: major city?
Speaker 5: What I just I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna fully
Speaker 5: dog myself here. I mean like I'm in I'm in
Speaker 5: like right by like there's a morehead. I'm like a
Speaker 5: I'm in the litteral no joke. If you just draw
Speaker 5: like a line towards Minneapolis, I'm in the stretch of that.
Speaker 5: There's just nothing.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what it's just cold, stry.
Speaker 1: Well listen, I just look, I'll and I'll end, I'll
Speaker 1: it's no, you're not no one. First I forget First
Speaker 1: of all, I forget what your name is because I
Speaker 1: forget everyone's name, but you're no one's gonna find you,
Speaker 1: and they're they're gonna find you once, uh once they're whatever. Okay, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: but like look, let me just end on this. And again,
Speaker 1: I know it's I I have so many voices in
Speaker 1: my brain telling me that I don't want to be
Speaker 1: uh uh. I think it's good, you know, you know
Speaker 1: what you know, I'm ignore I'm gonna ignore all of
Speaker 1: those voices and I'm gonna be optimistic with you. I
Speaker 1: you're I really think that if you you could be
Speaker 1: by getting a legal license and starting a little brand
Speaker 1: and getting involved in the community of these things, you
Speaker 1: could be embarking on such a wonderful, awesome, great adventure
Speaker 1: and career for yourself. And I would. And I am
Speaker 1: bummed out that your dad does not see that same way.
Speaker 1: I am bummed out by that, But I don't think
Speaker 1: it should stop you from from trying, because you're young,
Speaker 1: you're clearly, you're clearly a smart guy, and you could
Speaker 1: be embarking on again what what what could be a
Speaker 1: really cool, wonderful adventure, not just you know, for just
Speaker 1: for you as a human being, not even just as
Speaker 1: like a oh I'm gonna make a bunch of money thing.
Speaker 1: But you know, you'll meet people, you'll try shooting the
Speaker 1: thing that I just do, the thing that you just
Speaker 1: fucking just yeah, just do it. And again I'm bummed
Speaker 1: out that your dad doesn't see it that way. But
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna You're gonna die and you're
Speaker 1: only get you're young, so just I just think you
Speaker 1: should try it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, Well I could die at any time, that's
Speaker 5: the thing. Yeah, Like I could die at any time,
Speaker 5: you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do it now, especially especially now that thousands of people
Speaker 1: know where you live.
Speaker 5: Dude, the hit man's coming from me, I swear to
Speaker 5: god I heard him already. Yeah, I mean, I definitely
Speaker 5: do not have guns on a compound.
Speaker 1: Far.
Speaker 5: I'm just joking.
Speaker 1: Well, hey, when you met, can you send me? Can
Speaker 1: you are you're not allowed to send it?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: I mean, hey, this is what I'll say. It's legally
Speaker 5: you can transport it technically over the borders, but it's
Speaker 5: considered smuggling if you have to enter a state that
Speaker 5: it's not legal. All right, It's kind of like a
Speaker 5: weird picky law, but I do have an Instagram where
Speaker 5: I post pictures of them.
Speaker 1: Plug your plug your Instagram if you want, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 5: Baked cultivation b a k e S cultivation.
Speaker 3: That we don't have too much right now.
Speaker 5: Baked cultivation b a k e S cultivation.
Speaker 1: Baked right now, we cultivate, okay, yeah, baked cultivate all right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So we make mostly like live rosin and
Speaker 5: hash right now. And that's the those are mostly like
Speaker 5: the you know, post plant extracts, but we do some flower.
Speaker 5: But the big thing is we we're currently right now
Speaker 5: social equity verified in the market, so we can't really
Speaker 5: sell anything. But once licenses are put out in theoretically
Speaker 5: May to June, we can have our products on shelves.
Speaker 1: Wait, so is it like past testing? What a man?
Speaker 1: So this instagram, I don't want to put you on
Speaker 1: like blast here. This instagram is.
Speaker 5: Not illegal, right, No, not illegal at all. I'm twenty
Speaker 5: one one. I am within legality of what I can
Speaker 5: grow within my own home. I also I am verified
Speaker 5: by the government to grow. It's perfectly fine.
Speaker 1: There we go, nice, you know, hold on, let me
Speaker 1: look right now. It's bakes Underscore is then bakes no underscore.
Speaker 1: All right, hold on, I probably make it public. I
Speaker 1: feel like, oh there it is public right now, No,
Speaker 1: it's public. Yeah. I like this. I like the small
Speaker 1: batch crafts, cannibate Minnesota entrepreneurs. Oh you're good here, you know.
Speaker 1: Here's by the way. Let me just say this to you,
Speaker 1: because if you were just like some fucking douchebag and
Speaker 1: you called me and you were like, yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: like I like smoking, I like selling weed to my friends,
Speaker 1: but like maybe I could. But like, you're already doing ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like you're already you have
Speaker 1: a website. You're gonna be fine. Like, look, you already
Speaker 1: have a well you already have a website. What the
Speaker 1: fuck you have like a you're already doing Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: already doing all this ship. You have a fucking website.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: You know, you may think that I'm already doing there.
Speaker 5: It just feels it feels like I'm getting told otherwise.
Speaker 5: But you know that's the I think that's part of
Speaker 5: the battle of it is. I think people just aren't
Speaker 5: going to agree with it in the first place. Like
Speaker 5: it's just bro, look.
Speaker 1: You wait, hold on, who are who are Alex and Danny.
Speaker 1: You have like homies that you're doing this with. Wow,
Speaker 1: my this is sick. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I have a girl, I have a I got
Speaker 5: a buddy who grows through. He is like a student
Speaker 5: right now at a local college. He does biochemistry, so
Speaker 5: he does like the extract part. And then I have
Speaker 5: a family member who grows within, uh like within just
Speaker 5: for fun, and he's grown for like fifty sixty years,
Speaker 5: so he's like quite a older guy. Bro.
Speaker 1: You guys like she Honestly, I'm just looking at your
Speaker 1: website right now, and I'm like, oh, okay, you're not.
Speaker 5: Like and then yeah, this is we're not quite done yet.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, hold on, I'm look at
Speaker 1: your website right now. I'm like, okay, you this is
Speaker 1: something that you actually like care about and uh want
Speaker 1: to do you know what I mean? It would be
Speaker 1: it would bum me. I think you should do this.
Speaker 1: This is really cool.
Speaker 5: I think I'm excited. I really want to get it going.
Speaker 5: It's I mean it's a big battle of like getting it,
Speaker 5: like you know, up off the ground, getting it in
Speaker 5: large scale, but like it's it's a scary thing too.
Speaker 5: I mean I feel like I'm kind of putting my
Speaker 5: career in a way because like there's this another company
Speaker 5: in our local area stort of doing like CBD Extracts,
Speaker 5: like five six years ago, and they essentially went out
Speaker 5: of business because they just weren't able to like really
Speaker 5: get a customer pull because our area isn't as you know,
Speaker 5: open and accepting of you know, cannabis byproducts. So it's
Speaker 5: interesting to see how it works. Thank you, Lyle. I
Speaker 5: fucking love you, man. That's great that I hope you
Speaker 5: know that's gonna make my That makes my day, man,
Speaker 5: Thank you?
Speaker 3: Do you like to say?
Speaker 1: Everyone?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah? With the with the I was this Victorian guy, dude.
Speaker 5: So that's in the Smithsonian. It's like this guy who
Speaker 5: draws like pieces of time and that's what people call him.
Speaker 5: And like this guy is like the whole thing is
Speaker 5: he's smoking with his buddy, like and there's a priest
Speaker 5: there and someone snuck in tobacco into his bowl and
Speaker 5: he's like spitting it out. I thought that was funny.
Speaker 1: That's all all right, I'm gonna all right, I officially,
Speaker 1: I official, I blindly officially endorse I blindly based off
Speaker 1: of my good faith that you were telling me the
Speaker 1: truth that all of this is completely legal. I blindly endorse,
Speaker 1: I blindly endorse bakes Cultivation. Go follow them, Okay, right
Speaker 1: now now there's good yeah, all right, now you gotta
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 5: Putting that I'm clipping that, I'm putting that out of proportion.
Speaker 1: I'm go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 5: Oh really wow, beautiful?
Speaker 3: All right? Man?
Speaker 1: Well well, well, well listen, is any is the anything
Speaker 1: else you want to say the people of the computer
Speaker 1: before we go.
Speaker 5: I would love to say that, you know, everyone has
Speaker 5: their own struggles. Everyone has like you know, everyone makes
Speaker 5: their fuck ups. But the thing is is like it's
Speaker 5: all about what you want to do tomorrow. I I
Speaker 5: had my fair share of fuck ups.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I can make my own things happen. But you know,
Speaker 5: don't let your dad tell you what to do.
Speaker 1: Sick beautiful, Love you all right, man, Love you all right?
Speaker 1: Love you hey, hey, hey, love me too, man, Love
Speaker 1: you too. I don't usually I don't usually say I
Speaker 1: don't usually say I love you to people call in
Speaker 1: because it makes me feel a little weird. But I
Speaker 1: I think I love you a little bit.
Speaker 5: Thank you man. If you're ever in Minnesota. By the way,
Speaker 5: I went to your show that was in Minneapolis. It's
Speaker 5: pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Oh kick ass? All right, all right, next time I'm there,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna, yeah, no, next time, next time
Speaker 1: I'm there, I'll d M you and I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: to smoke some of your weeds.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, man, I'll make the lyle pack.
Speaker 1: I got you sick, sick, all right, take care of
Speaker 1: good luck, bye bye good Yeah. I like that guy.
Speaker 1: That guy was cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just looking at this what I like.
Speaker 1: I love, I really do, I love. I love. I
Speaker 1: love a cool small business. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I love a cool small business. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I really ah, God, just looking at this guy's website
Speaker 1: and just the fact that he has one, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because people called into the show, and
Speaker 1: you hear people talk all the time about like, oh
Speaker 1: I kind of might want to do this thing and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah and whatever, and you know this guy's
Speaker 1: he's just already doing it. Like the fact that he
Speaker 1: even has all this shit out there, you know. So
Speaker 1: I hope he goes for it. Yeah, go follow Bake's cultivation. God,
Speaker 1: I hope this is I hope. I'm not getting this
Speaker 1: guy like fucking raided by the police or whatever. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Oh crap, Now I have to go back
Speaker 1: to Minnesota to smoke this guy's weed. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I know, hold on, Actually, I don't know why. I
Speaker 1: just dissed Minnesota. Now I have no reason to.
Speaker 3: I like.
Speaker 1: I like Minnesota. Minnesota's cool. Oh look, his instagram already
Speaker 1: has a few more followers. That's nice. Yeah, shout out
Speaker 1: to Minnesota. If you're in Minnesota, by buy weed from
Speaker 1: this guy, or I mean, don't yet, wait until he
Speaker 1: has these can legally sell it. Okay, sick? All right?
Speaker 5: Hello, Yo, how's it going.
Speaker 1: It's going all right? How you doing?
Speaker 3: Not too bad?
Speaker 5: How's uh, how's the whole get got thing going?
Speaker 1: How's the whole gecko thing going today? It's going pretty good. Today,
Speaker 1: it's going pretty good. We're having some nice conversations with
Speaker 1: some people. It's pretty pretty chill. Uh. What's up with you, buddy?
Speaker 3: Not too much?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just uh, I haven't doing it in your
Speaker 5: stream for a long time, so I just want to. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I just thought, see what's going on? You don't have
Speaker 5: like the green screen back background anymore.
Speaker 1: I noticed that I have it sometimes. Wait, can you
Speaker 1: do me a favorite? Can you take me off a speakerphone?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry. All right, how's that?
Speaker 1: I have it sometimes? But uh yeah, like I'm trying,
Speaker 1: I'm in I'm in Japan right now, and uh I
Speaker 1: brought well, I brought all my crap with me. I
Speaker 1: brought all my crap with me and now and I
Speaker 1: just never felt like setting it up. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I can achieve the same results with
Speaker 1: just my microphone. Uh, which is which you know, some
Speaker 1: could call it lazy. I call it efficient.
Speaker 5: I can see that. That's that's that's fair. I mean,
Speaker 5: I mean if you don't really need you know, the
Speaker 5: green screen and the you know whatever effects. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 5: I mean you're good. I mean, if you're in Japan,
Speaker 5: that's I mean, that makes it work. There are you
Speaker 5: doing any content in Japan? Are getting like interview people
Speaker 5: in Tokyo?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm interviewing you right now.
Speaker 5: Well I'm not in Tokyo, but this this is.
Speaker 1: My this is my Japan content is talking to people
Speaker 1: on the phone while I'm in a hotel room in Japan.
Speaker 5: Okay, I got you? Yeah, that's that's I guess you're
Speaker 5: the one in Japan. So that that that qualified well.
Speaker 1: So I I mean, I I came here two years
Speaker 1: ago and that was when I kind of did my
Speaker 1: whole like that that the trip I took two years
Speaker 1: ago is more focused on, like I'm this trip, I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of chilling here. But last two years ago
Speaker 1: I did I did like a more Japan focused content.
Speaker 1: But today this time, well, I mean, I'm going on
Speaker 1: a walk. I'm I am in uh, let's see, sometime
Speaker 1: next week or actually, I don't know when this episode
Speaker 1: is going to air, so this might be this week,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know exactly, but sometime between starting
Speaker 1: on what February six seventeen, starting on February seventeenth or sixteenth,
Speaker 1: depending on the time zone or whatever, sometime the week
Speaker 1: of February sixteenth, I'm gonna go on a walk across
Speaker 1: through the Nacascendo Trail, like fifty miles and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: live I'm gonna live stream it on Twitch, dot tv
Speaker 1: slash Lisle forever, so that counts. I'm gonna do it,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna do it in my costume though,
Speaker 1: because I don't. I don't really feel like it. Initially
Speaker 1: I was I wasn't even gonna stream it. Initially, I
Speaker 1: was just gonna do it for fun. And then well
Speaker 1: I'm still doing it for fun, but I am streaming it.
Speaker 1: I am doing it and streaming it for fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to back in like twenty twenty one. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, uh yeah, maybe less people might watch, but
Speaker 1: I don't I think, I mean, it'll be fun. I
Speaker 1: wasn't even streaming it. Is kind of like I mainly
Speaker 1: just wanted to do it, so streaming it is more
Speaker 1: of like a why not. Well, I'm doing it with
Speaker 1: a friend, and my friend streams, uh and so he
Speaker 1: already has all the equipment and stuff, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's just do it to my channel too.
Speaker 5: That's pretty cool. Yeah. I don't know if I'd ever
Speaker 5: want to go to Japan, like anytime soon. The only
Speaker 5: thing I hear about it that might be cool is
Speaker 5: like gwenno akihabra or something, or like all the weave
Speaker 5: shit is because that I like anime or whatever. But
Speaker 5: besides that, it's like, I mean, it'll be great to
Speaker 5: go like anywhere in Japan. I mean Japan's great food
Speaker 5: and stuff too, but it's just like I don't know
Speaker 5: if i'd ever want like live there or like go there,
Speaker 5: like you know, it's like a long time.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's cool. Where do you Where do you live now? Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I live in the States. I live in like
Speaker 5: the Midwest.
Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, I mean no, Japan. Japan is cool.
Speaker 1: It's stuff. It's has a lot of UH. It's a
Speaker 1: very different place than like New York City. Everyone here
Speaker 1: is UH is like about the rules.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Everyone here is like like there's a weird it's super yeah,
Speaker 1: super clean, super efficient, no one. I was on the
Speaker 1: subway in Japan and like it's funny in the New
Speaker 1: York City subway people UH will like come on like
Speaker 1: every single day you you go to the subway and
Speaker 1: somebody comes on and they're like, hey, everybody, it's time
Speaker 1: to start the show. And they take a boom box
Speaker 1: and they play start playing music and like dancing and
Speaker 1: like collecting tips and it's like this is completely normal.
Speaker 1: And then on the Japan and then I was on
Speaker 1: the subway in uh Tokyo and it was so I
Speaker 1: had a paper cup and it was so quiet that
Speaker 1: I took my thumb and I rubbed the paper cup
Speaker 1: and I could hear the sound of my thumb rubbing
Speaker 1: on the paper cup. It was so quiet on the train.
Speaker 1: I was sitting now being here, I'm like, I can't
Speaker 1: imagine what it must what it would be like to
Speaker 1: like grow up in Japan and like, you know, live
Speaker 1: here for all of your life and then go to
Speaker 1: New York City and go to the subway, like it
Speaker 1: would be It's just such a crazy culture shock. I
Speaker 1: really don't wonder. Really it would fuck you up. It
Speaker 1: would be like that's insane, insane culture shock. Yeah. Like
Speaker 1: another thing is like on the escalators here, like like
Speaker 1: if you're like you will see a big escalator, every
Speaker 1: single person is standing to the left side of the
Speaker 1: escalator without fail, every single time. I'm not a single
Speaker 1: person is not standing on the left.
Speaker 5: Like I've never thought about that.
Speaker 1: It's it's crazy.
Speaker 5: And I like always walk on escalators. And it's like
Speaker 5: and now, and you're just saying that now, and I'm like, wait,
Speaker 5: am I not supposed to like walk on? I mean
Speaker 5: you're not supposed to, but like I'm never no one's
Speaker 5: ever like said like, hey, don't walk on escalator, don't
Speaker 5: like or don't move an escalator, but like and I'm
Speaker 5: stop considering that's like kind of that's like some people
Speaker 5: like consider that like indecent or something to like walk
Speaker 5: like up or like like like up an escalator, like
Speaker 5: down escalator because it's like.
Speaker 1: But even like or like in the States, like if
Speaker 1: you go to a mall or a subway or something like,
Speaker 1: people are like hanging out on the like people like
Speaker 1: have their arms lazed bouts on the on the escalator.
Speaker 1: People are sleeping on the escalator. People are like there
Speaker 1: is no like I must stand on the left. People
Speaker 1: are standing on the left side, they're standing on the
Speaker 1: right side. They're having a whole escalator party. People like line.
Speaker 1: People like form lines to get on the subway cars.
Speaker 1: Like nobody in New York does that. It's it's it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. Yeah they did. They have a lot of
Speaker 1: little like stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I mean, it sounds nice. I heard the
Speaker 5: yen is down too, which is I mean, that's good
Speaker 5: for you. I want to guess. Yeah, maybe if the
Speaker 5: if USD is more powerful there, because yeah.
Speaker 1: We'll see. I don't know. I'm curious we'll see. I
Speaker 1: feel like the US this is this is a hilarious
Speaker 1: thing to talk about on the Therapy Gecko podcast. But
Speaker 1: I think the US. I don't know how. I don't
Speaker 1: know how much longer the US dollar has anymore either,
Speaker 1: So we'll see we might be joining the end in
Speaker 1: the near future. Who knows.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I mean that's not I mean, I guess
Speaker 5: that doesn't make it worse to go to Japan than
Speaker 5: that's I mean, that's on the bright side.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I just let's see
Speaker 1: how much longer do I have left to live. I'm
Speaker 1: twenty seven. If I'm lucky, I got fifty three more years,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll be okay.
Speaker 5: Do you think that? Do you think you're like, do
Speaker 5: you ever wonder if it's possible that you might not die?
Speaker 5: Like if you ever like, Look, do you know Brian
Speaker 5: Johnson is, like you know his whole stick?
Speaker 1: Yes, I know who Brian Johnson is. And I think
Speaker 1: I think it's a fool's Errand really, yeah, I hard disagree.
Speaker 5: With you on that point.
Speaker 1: Why why why do you hard disagree with me on that.
Speaker 5: It's a fool's Errand in the short term, just because
Speaker 5: of science. I don't. I mean, I'm not, I'm not
Speaker 5: professional or anything, but like, I mean, I think anyone
Speaker 5: can tell that it's we're nowhere near to like, you know,
Speaker 5: solving death or something. But I think that everyone, just
Speaker 5: like in the world culturally has like grown to accept
Speaker 5: like death as being normal because like, why wouldn't they.
Speaker 5: But but this point, with the way that our science is,
Speaker 5: no one has like it seems like no one besizing
Speaker 5: on people like Brian Johnson has seriously considered the possibility
Speaker 5: that death is just like an illness that we can
Speaker 5: cure eventually, and so people are not you know, actually
Speaker 5: told me about that as a serious possibility to.
Speaker 1: Do what what do you know? What do yeah to do? What?
Speaker 1: What do you have? What do you not have enough
Speaker 1: time to do?
Speaker 5: I don't know, go to go to Jupiter or something?
Speaker 3: Who knows? Who knows what?
Speaker 1: Why do you need? Why do you need to go
Speaker 1: to But also I I have a different I I'm lazy.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm not a good person to have this
Speaker 1: argument with why do you want to go to Jupiter?
Speaker 1: It's good, it's good to want to go to Jupiter.
Speaker 1: I genuinely believe that, but why do you want to
Speaker 1: go I.
Speaker 3: Mean you would I mean he would be lame to
Speaker 3: go to I mean Jupiter is.
Speaker 5: A bad example because you would just go through You
Speaker 5: just go through like a like a like a lot
Speaker 5: of it, and then you would get to the to
Speaker 5: the like to the core.
Speaker 1: By the way, hold on, hold on, brother, you don't
Speaker 1: even want to go to Japan. You want to go
Speaker 1: to Jupiter.
Speaker 5: I just said I wouldn't want to live in Japan.
Speaker 3: I think it would be cool to go.
Speaker 5: To Japan, but like living in Japan is like I mean,
Speaker 5: I just I mean, I just like that's just like,
Speaker 5: you know, up in the air for me, because Japan
Speaker 5: is like I don't know if I can handle living
Speaker 5: in Japan, just because it seems like it would be
Speaker 5: hard to to get a job in Japan sustainably because
Speaker 5: I'm trying to be I'm trying to work in like
Speaker 5: the video game industry. I feel like in Japan that
Speaker 5: would be awesome, but I would just not be able
Speaker 5: to compete with Japanese game devs compared to him.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, here's the thing is we
Speaker 1: need to like this is I guess shouldn't society be
Speaker 1: sustainable first, and then we can make it forever. Shouldn't
Speaker 1: we make it? Shouldn't we make it like sustainable and
Speaker 1: utopian and then we can make it forever. Uh.
Speaker 5: I mean in terms of like I guess it depends
Speaker 5: on what you're what you're comparing, like, because I mean,
Speaker 5: if if you're talking about, like, oh, we should we
Speaker 5: should colonize Mars because Earth is gonna you know, Earth
Speaker 5: is doing we need to go to a different like like, yeah,
Speaker 5: obviously it's stupid because we should just take care of
Speaker 5: the planet we have now. But in terms of living forever,
Speaker 5: like I mean, you can you got you can probably
Speaker 5: do both. I mean I think there's a lot, like
Speaker 5: a lot of science can be you know, invested in
Speaker 5: that like thing, and then we can figure that out
Speaker 5: at the same time. Like it's not like because like
Speaker 5: if whether or not we doll death, that's not going
Speaker 5: to prevent like it's that that's not gonna matter in
Speaker 5: terms of like wars happening, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: Like like that that's no, those things aren't like really
Speaker 5: connected that much. Like we solve that tomorrow and there's
Speaker 5: still going to be so much war and so much
Speaker 5: you know. So there's like so many problems, like it's
Speaker 5: not you know what I mean, Like they're not Let
Speaker 5: me tell you.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you one thing. Let me just
Speaker 1: tell you one thing. Seven eleven. Food here is a
Speaker 1: lot better than it is in America. For that reason,
Speaker 1: you might want to recard that, you might want to reconsider.
Speaker 1: And and because I'm eating it, I'm probably gonna die sooner.
Speaker 1: But uh, that's just what happens to me. What's your
Speaker 1: name again?
Speaker 5: If you were eating it in America, then you would
Speaker 5: die even sooner.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would die. I'd probably die on
Speaker 1: the spot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Wait, what was your question?
Speaker 1: What's your name again?
Speaker 5: My name is Al?
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before or like, if you had it,
Speaker 1: do you have any other final thoughts on humanity or
Speaker 1: any or anything there?
Speaker 3: You go?
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean they say.
Speaker 5: That there's two things that you can avoid, which are
Speaker 5: death and taxes. But you can avoid taxes now and
Speaker 5: maybe in one hundred years you can avoid death too,
Speaker 5: So guys will limit everyone.
Speaker 1: I like that? All right, man, I'll you know what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll maybe we can hang out on Jupiter one day.
Speaker 1: That could be cool.
Speaker 5: I'll see you there, brother, I'll see you there.
Speaker 1: I'll see you on the gas I God bless you, sir.
Speaker 5: You two wle talk to you later later.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: That was Al. That was al Uh. And Al wants
Speaker 1: to live forever on Jupiter, and I hope he does
Speaker 1: that one day. I hope we can all live forever
Speaker 1: on Jupiter. And if we can't do that, I hope
Speaker 1: we can all live on Earth for at least seventy years.
Speaker 1: I used to say at least eighty, but I think
Speaker 1: seventy is probably more realistic. All right, thank you, Hello folks,
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Speaker 3: Essentially, this like creature came out of it.
Speaker 4: I would describe as like almost a comedicly classical representation
Speaker 4: of the devil, but not in like the haha funny sense,
Speaker 4: in like the it was like a three and a
Speaker 4: half foot tall, shriveled up husk in that moment, whatever
Speaker 4: that thing was, if it had told me to do anything,
Speaker 4: I would have just done it, you know, Brian?
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