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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, Paul Calvic joins me

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Speaker 1: as we both look back and look ahead. Look back

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Speaker 1: at the offseason work, what we learned, what do we think?

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Speaker 1: And then look ahead to training camp. What questions do

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Speaker 1: we still have about the team? It's Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: Episode six fifty and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Budda Baker?

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Speaker 2: What Heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent?

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Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable?

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 1: So more Harry Magic.

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Speaker 2: Whoa, here's Craig Grioloud.

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Speaker 1: So, Paul, did you happen to notice anything different as

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Speaker 1: you arrived here at the Dignity Health Arizona Cardinals Training Center?

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Speaker 3: Wow? Something you have? Something new? You're parking in the

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Speaker 3: parking lot? Is that what you're saying?

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Speaker 1: But exactly how about this more available parking? Which can

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Speaker 1: only mean one thing? The off season has officially begun,

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Speaker 1: the break, if you will, between off season workouts and

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Speaker 1: the started trending camp coaches players that are all gone

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Speaker 1: rookies though still here this week and then they'll be

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Speaker 1: set free. But Paul, you and I we're here. Our

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Speaker 1: executive producer Jim A. Mahundro is here, no days off.

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Speaker 3: It is a good day when you don't have to

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Speaker 3: park in the auxiliary lot and then wait for a

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Speaker 3: shuttle to take you in because you don't have almost

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Speaker 3: ninety players in attendance. Oh yes, you know. Or I

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Speaker 3: guess if Darren Urban was here, he would just simply

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Speaker 3: tell me, well, Paul, get to work earlier. So either way,

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Speaker 3: you know, it is good. It is good when you uh,

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Speaker 3: there is room, and you know what when you don't

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Speaker 3: have to cram your car and worry about a door ding.

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Speaker 3: Don't get me started. As some of my pet beeves

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Speaker 1: We can't all be like our colleague Darren Urban, where

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Speaker 1: he has an assigned parking spots there. I believe he's

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Speaker 1: inching closer and closer to do one of those spots

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Speaker 1: behind the security gate that Paul we can only dream about.

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Speaker 3: Just tell me the number on his parking spot. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna go ahead and commander at one of these days,

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Speaker 3: just to tweak them a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit, all right, as we tease training camp. By the way,

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Speaker 1: eleven open practices at State Farm Stadium, the first one

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Speaker 1: being Thursday, July twenty seventh. Parking admission free, Digital tickets

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Speaker 1: though are required. Just go to Azycardinals dot com for

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Speaker 1: more information. By the way, the first padded practice, which

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Speaker 1: Ron Woofley will always be pointing to first padded practice,

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Speaker 1: though not until Monday, July thirty first.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm writing that down July thirty first, because I'm

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Speaker 3: taking this one day at a time, not only no

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Speaker 3: marking that down. That really is a national holiday. The

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Speaker 3: first day of pads, full contact, full speed, full football

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Speaker 3: out there, July thirty first. That's good, okay, yeah, because

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Speaker 3: up until then, it's still kind of more of what

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Speaker 3: we've been seeing at OTA's and mini camp or as

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Speaker 3: head coach Jonathan again, i'd like to call it pajamable,

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Speaker 3: which is something that's I thought that was an apt description. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and you know what it really is not to say though,

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Speaker 3: and we've had this conversation not to say that you

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Speaker 3: can't make some determinations about talent out on the field.

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Speaker 3: It just depends on the position O line, D line,

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Speaker 3: an early sense. What does a dB look like in coverage?

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Speaker 3: Is he's sticking with the receiver? Is a receiver getting separation? Obviously?

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Speaker 3: You know kind of quarterback make the throws? What sort

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Speaker 3: some early determinations that you know. And I asked Jonathan

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Speaker 3: Few guys he's familiar with, whether the Kaiser Whites and

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Speaker 3: If it's Adapter die and our game plan is going

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Speaker 1: There were ten OTA practices, two weeks worth of mini camps,

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Speaker 1: that was a bonus because the Cardinals are one of

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Speaker 1: of course mandatory mini camp, which was cut to just

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Speaker 1: being said, Paul, after all of that, what did we

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Speaker 1: learn a any takeaways from this offseason? Because we didn't

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Speaker 2: Oh, I have.

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Speaker 3: Plenty of takeaways. We ready for this one? Are you ready?

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Speaker 3: Are you ready? Craig Grielou for the takeaways? Okay, let's

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Speaker 3: go back and forth, dueling takeaways or I'll just keep running.

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Speaker 3: You can stop me. Accordingly, throw up your hand in

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Speaker 3: How many different players did we say we're gonna run

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Speaker 1: Yell to fro Holt quote, it's definitely a priority for us. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And look, it's necessary. I think it really is, especially

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Speaker 3: did the Cardinals struggle most last year on offense? The

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Speaker 3: downfield passing attack? They were dead last and almost every

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Speaker 3: How many times do we hear the cover two shell

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Speaker 1: Let me add to that as far as when you're

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Speaker 1: talking about running the ball more, because we've heard, whether

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Speaker 1: it's from coaches or players, the use of the tight end,

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Speaker 3: We heard in the wired segment Johnny and if you

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Speaker 3: of the college game. Have ever even been in a

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Speaker 3: line of scrimmage and blocking, I'd say something else we

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Speaker 3: learned is that the offensive line is deeper and better

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Speaker 3: than most figure. Yeah, I'm personally expecting DJ jumpers and

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Speaker 3: Paris Johnson junior to be your starting tackles. If Yelder

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Speaker 2: What was the.

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Speaker 1: Biggest question we had when the Cardinals drafted Gris Johnson junior?

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Speaker 1: then as the offseason progressed, we see him further right

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Speaker 1: from there. But when Paul you invest so much, whether

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Speaker 3: And it's been a trend in the NFL. Seattle started

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Speaker 3: playoff team. They took Evan Neil's seventh overall out of Alabama.

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Speaker 3: He was the starting right tackle. They book ended him

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Speaker 3: a very similar equation. And if you want to talk

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Speaker 3: we're Jonathan Gannon say, late in June before they went

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Speaker 3: and I quote Paris Johnson Jr. Has what you are

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Speaker 3: looking for in a starting tackle. That might be a tell,

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Speaker 3: that might be foreshadowing, at least I fully expected to be.

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Speaker 3: And then it begets the question, Okay, is there a

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Speaker 3: room on this roster for both Josh Jones and Kelvin Beacham.

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Speaker 3: Is it one or the other for that final swing

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Speaker 3: keep both guys because your franchise left tackle is coming

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Speaker 3: off a back injury. And back injury and offensive linemen

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Speaker 3: you have to be a little more cautious in that

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Speaker 1: And maybe in a case an emergency, both can play inside.

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Speaker 1: the Travis Kelcey's, that's been problematic because those guys are

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Speaker 1: polished route runners. Can Isaiah Simmons exist with that sort

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Speaker 1: of assignment on his plate? There's still a lot to

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Speaker 1: be determined for a guy who's in his fourth year

436
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Speaker 1: in a contract year, fifth year option not picked up.

437
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Speaker 1: Not only is there a lot on the line, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot to be determined as to what sort of

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Speaker 1: player Isaiah Simmons is. Is he better in space as

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Speaker 1: opposed to close to the line of scrimmage where there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of traffic. Wear your eyes, and we always

442
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Speaker 1: hear that with players as far as where are your eyes?

443
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Speaker 1: What are your eyes telling you? And do you get fooled?

444
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Speaker 1: And how many times have we seen Isaiah Simmons get

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Speaker 1: fooled because he's not looking where he's supposed to be

446
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Speaker 1: or he's anticipating and he's not making the right read.

447
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Speaker 1: Simmons might just be that guy where you just say,

448
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Speaker 1: are you cover this area of the football field? Maybe

449
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Speaker 1: that means you're playing a little bit more zone. But

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Speaker 1: to your point on what Frederickson brought up, as far

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Speaker 1: as that change of direction, how well is he is

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Speaker 1: going laterally that quick change left to right backpedaling as

453
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Speaker 1: opposed to just finding where that ball carrier is and

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Speaker 1: enacting like a missile.

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Speaker 3: His pick six last year, I believe was in his

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Speaker 3: zone coverage where he's essentially playing the will and he

457
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Speaker 3: stepped into the passing lane. Great catch and then housed

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Speaker 3: it with his four to three to nine speed. If

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Speaker 3: you're telling me, and we've had how many times have

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Speaker 3: we asked Jonathan Gannon meaning we the media what's your

461
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Speaker 3: base defense? Right, Jerry Ston, what's your bat? And he

462
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Speaker 3: won't answer the question. You figure they're going to be

463
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Speaker 3: in a three to four of some sort just based

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Speaker 3: on the personnel. But what if Nickel is their base

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Speaker 3: and what if an Isaiah Simmons is that third safety

466
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Speaker 3: the fifth dB, but he's really playing a hybrid safety

467
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Speaker 3: slash will linebacker role. I think that's plausible. I wouldn't

468
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Speaker 3: be surprised if that's the case. Now we don't know that.

469
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Speaker 3: We'll have to wait till training camp, and even then

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Speaker 3: we'll see if we get an answer to that. A

471
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Speaker 3: lot of teams are going to keep that under wraps

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Speaker 3: until Week one Cardinals first game at Washington. Maybe we

473
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Speaker 3: find out then and the Commanders will find out the

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Speaker 3: hard way. But I would say, yes, you could see

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Speaker 3: a hybrid will linebacker safety position and number two. To

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Speaker 3: Rob's point, I wouldn't be surprised if the Commanders don't

477
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Speaker 3: come out and target Isaiah Simmons. It's a game of matchups.

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Speaker 3: Plenty of teams have done it.

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Speaker 1: If Isaiah is one of your best eleven defenders, you

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Speaker 1: need to get him on the football field and is

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Speaker 1: at a third safety is at a fifth defensive back,

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Speaker 1: and you go lighter at the line of scrimmage, you

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Speaker 1: go lighter inside the box. You want your best eleven.

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Speaker 1: To JG's point, as far as, yeah, I really don't

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Speaker 1: have a scheme. I need to see who our best

486
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Speaker 1: eleven are and then we'll figure out how to match

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Speaker 1: up against offenses.

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Speaker 3: And because it's never too early to talk about the

489
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Speaker 3: first opponent, Logan Thomas, former Cardinals draft pick and quarterbacks

490
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Speaker 3: six foot six Logan Thomas, who's now a standout tight

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Speaker 3: end in the league for Washington, I could easily see

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Speaker 3: that being Isaiah Simmons matchup and Assignment Week one.

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Speaker 1: My last takeaway here from the offseason the confidence among

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Speaker 1: this rookie class, whether it was Paris Johnson junior, Michael Wilson,

495
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Speaker 1: Clayton Tune, and even to a certain extent, Key Trail Clark,

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Speaker 1: because I thought it was a fascinating conversation when we

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Speaker 1: had a chance to hear from Michael late in the

498
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Speaker 1: off season about how how much work Key Treill is

499
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Speaker 1: doing as far as taking notes on his own receivers

500
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Speaker 1: and you're talking about a Day three cornerback, but just

501
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Speaker 1: this entire rookie class I know it's hard because I

502
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Speaker 1: make this promise to myself every year Paul that I'm

503
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Speaker 1: not going to hype up the rookies, but at some

504
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Speaker 1: point it's the only thing to talk about. You get excited,

505
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Speaker 1: whether it's a Day one, Day two, or Day three pick,

506
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, training camp begins and

507
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Speaker 1: you kind of lose sight of the rookies because the veterans,

508
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Speaker 1: while they've been here, they all of a sudden step

509
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Speaker 1: up and say, you know what, I'm taking this rep.

510
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Speaker 1: They assert themselves a little bit more, and the rookies

511
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Speaker 1: take a back seat. I don't know if that's going

512
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Speaker 1: to be the case with this rookie class, specifically Paris

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Speaker 1: and Michael Wilson.

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Speaker 3: No question. I mean so many of these position rooms,

515
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Speaker 3: it's the land of opportunity, defensive line wide open. So

516
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Speaker 3: if you're telling me a Day three pick like a Jacob, say,

517
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Speaker 3: a Day three pick like Dante Stills, as I advanced

518
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Speaker 3: past between him and Jacob Slade, who are making an impact,

519
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Speaker 3: I think in that d line room, just because there's

520
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Speaker 3: so much uncertainty, whether it's Jonathan Ledbetter, whether it's Rishard Lawrence,

521
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Speaker 3: where were they in the offseason what exactly is going on.

522
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Speaker 3: You have some veterans who you think you can count on,

523
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Speaker 3: but they were let go by their former teams, and

524
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Speaker 3: Carlos Watkins and LJ. Collier. So yes, and then you

525
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Speaker 3: get to the cornerback room Key Troll Clark to go

526
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Speaker 3: along with Marco Wilson Antonio Hamilton. But there is certain

527
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Speaker 3: if you need at least three corners and arguably four

528
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Speaker 3: on every NFL roster, then Key Troll Clark absolutely has

529
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Speaker 3: a chance to coumpeat, especially if they're still waiting on

530
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Speaker 3: Garrett Williams, the third round pick, if they can count

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Speaker 3: on him. And I just think this is a season

532
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Speaker 3: when they're not going to hesitate to play the young guys,

533
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Speaker 3: play the draft picks, especially without your franchise quarterback for

534
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Speaker 3: an undetermined amount of time, they will be given every

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Speaker 3: chance to secure playing time. There's no doubt in my mind.

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Speaker 1: The one rookie that we have not seen because he

537
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Speaker 1: was dealing with we think was a hamstring injury that

538
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Speaker 1: he was dealing with before during the pre draft process

539
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Speaker 1: is bj Ojalari because he certainly would help as far

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Speaker 1: as edge rushers and getting to the quarterback your thing

541
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Speaker 1: is always you know, you gotta be able to get

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback. You protect the quarterback, and you get

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback. Oh Jalari, what he did at LSU

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Speaker 1: wearing that number eighteen did get to the quarterback five

545
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Speaker 1: and a half sacks is last year there. But we

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Speaker 1: just haven't seen him. He's been present, he's been watching,

547
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Speaker 1: taking mental reps, but he just hasn't been physically on

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Speaker 1: the football field.

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Speaker 3: There's still time for him to make an impact. There's

550
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Speaker 3: no doubt about it. I think there are three positions

551
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Speaker 3: as a rookie where you can make an instant impact.

552
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: Running back corner, especially even a man coverage, and then

553
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Speaker 3: edge rusher, go get the quarterback. Can bg Ojalari still

554
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Speaker 3: have a heck of a camp and still be in

555
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Speaker 3: that rotation Week one? Absolutely, but he's still a complete unknown,

556
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Speaker 3: I think to so many of us who have been

557
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: following the Cardinals and watching, but that all outside linebacker room.

558
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Speaker 3: I've said it before, I'll say it again. To me,

559
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Speaker 3: the early clubhouse leader for most valuable assistant coach is

560
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Speaker 3: Rob Rodriguez. Whether it's gonna be bgo Jali, whether it's

561
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Speaker 3: Zavin Collins making the position change, whether it's a very

562
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Speaker 3: unique body type and skill set and a Dennis Gardak

563
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Speaker 3: can you get him back to being productive? Guard Deck

564
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Speaker 3: has already shared that, you know what, previously his approach

565
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Speaker 3: to pass rushing was just bring all the athleticism like

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Speaker 3: a Tasmanian double off the edge and then figure it

567
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Speaker 3: out from there. No, not anymore, Rob Rodriguez is you

568
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: got to have a plan. You got to have a

569
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Speaker 3: move in mind, and then a countermove and then of course,

570
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Speaker 3: if you're a believer that the biggest leap is from

571
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Speaker 3: year one to year two, you have the pair of

572
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Speaker 3: third round picks twenty twenty two and Cam Thomas and

573
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Speaker 3: my J Sanders, these guys are going to be counted

574
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Speaker 3: on at that position as well. So you need to

575
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Speaker 3: get to the quarterback. It's not nearly going to come

576
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Speaker 3: from your defensive line room like it was a year

577
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Speaker 3: ago minus sac Allen and JJ Watt. So it's imperative

578
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Speaker 3: that these edge rushers really go and ball out.

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Speaker 1: And that's one of my questions that still we have

580
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Speaker 1: to have an answer, and that is who emerges from

581
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Speaker 1: that defensive line room? Where does the pass rush come from?

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Speaker 1: But I don't think we're doing anyone any favors, Paul.

583
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Speaker 1: The number one question that we all have going into camp,

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Speaker 1: probably during camp and coming out of camp, is Kyler Murray?

585
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Speaker 1: When does he return? He has been around, he's been

586
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Speaker 1: fully engaged in meeting rooms, watching practice, But when do

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Speaker 1: we see number one on the football field? And dare

588
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Speaker 1: I say, I don't think it's going to be at

589
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Speaker 1: the beginning of tre It might be towards the middle

590
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Speaker 1: or late. They have been very very clear Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: is going to return when he is quote physically and

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Speaker 1: mentally ready, And it is JG's decision, not k one's decision.

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Speaker 3: And it's the mental aspect as well, Like you can

594
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Speaker 3: be a Joe Burrow and you can be put a

595
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Speaker 3: big leg brace and you can just sit in the

596
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Speaker 3: pocket and you can just be that pocket quarterback and

597
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Speaker 3: you can sort of work your way through getting back

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Speaker 3: to one hundred percent physical status over the course of

599
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Speaker 3: his season. But is that really Kyler Murray? That hasn't

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Speaker 3: been his game and so what does that mean? Will

601
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Speaker 3: he have to be one hundred percent physically and then

602
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Speaker 3: is he going to be able to trust that knee

603
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Speaker 3: and win? How critical is that going to be? Remember,

604
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Speaker 3: you know he suffered that injury in space. It was

605
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Speaker 3: a non contact injury, So what does that mean exactly?

606
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Speaker 3: And we have no idea. Could we see him in September,

607
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Speaker 3: Perhaps we see him sometime around Halloween. Maybe nobody has

608
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Speaker 3: really given any sort of viable timetable or even speculated

609
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Speaker 3: as much. So, all right, what does the offense look

610
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Speaker 3: like when he gets back? Do they have a different

611
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Speaker 3: scheme set up when Kyler since he has such a

612
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: unique skill set so vastly different than a Colt McCoy

613
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Speaker 3: or if you see a Jeff driscoll or David Blotow,

614
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: Clayton tune ran for quite a few yards, and he

615
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: says that's an underrated aspect of his game. But he's

616
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Speaker 3: certainly they're not running quarterback power with a Clayton tune.

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Speaker 3: And I think the Cardinals learned their lesson in Denver

618
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Speaker 3: what happens when you run Colt McCoy on third and

619
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Speaker 3: short and you pull in all it's that that was

620
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Speaker 3: a little too risky. The risk reward on that wasn't

621
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Speaker 3: in the cardinals favor. So yeah, it is a huge

622
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Speaker 3: question mark as to what exactly is the status of

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Speaker 3: a Kyler Murray and then how long does it take

624
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Speaker 3: him to regain for him?

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Speaker 1: And I'm guessing it's going to be the question that

626
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Speaker 1: gets asked every single day, or at least every single

627
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Speaker 1: day that the head coach addresses the media as far

628
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Speaker 1: as what is the latest, because that's what anyone and

629
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Speaker 1: everyone is gonna care about. Your franchise quarterback is on

630
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: the sideline watching training camp. How long is he gonna

631
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: be watching? And then what can he do? And then

632
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: how ready is he? We say one hundred percent? But

633
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: will be a slow ramp up? Will the playbook kind

634
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Speaker 1: of be all right, Kyler, this is what we're going

635
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: to allow you to do. And then as we get

636
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Speaker 1: to three four games into it, okay, we'll open it

637
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: up and say, all right, now you've got more to

638
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: your disposal to figure out how to move the ball

639
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: up and down the field.

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Speaker 3: It's almost a return to his rookie year. He was

641
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: never afforded a rookie year. He was never given the

642
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: ability to have a rookie learning curve by just sitting

643
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Speaker 3: and watching a veteran quarterback. From day one, he was

644
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Speaker 3: the franchise quarterback. He was the starter, the face of

645
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Speaker 3: the franchise. So now he's going to start the season.

646
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Speaker 3: We figure he's going to start the season on the

647
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Speaker 3: sideline watching a veteran knowing it's gonna be his turn.

648
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Speaker 3: But especially with a new scheme, you know, maybe ultimately

649
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: it's beneficial to watch a cole McCoy who is familiar

650
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: with this sort of offense. Think about it. Actually, it's

651
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: a legitimate question. Correct me if I'm wrong. Kyler Murray

652
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: has never run the offense that is being installed. Correct,

653
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: did not do it in high school, didn't do it

654
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: at A and M or at Oklahoma, got very little

655
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: playing time in A and M. So that's not even

656
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: a question. This sort of offense that Lincoln Riley was

657
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: running very much akin to what Cliff Kingsbury ran. It's

658
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: one of the reasons that Cardinals drafted Kyler Murray and

659
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury. One of the reasons I'm convinced Cliff Kingsbury

660
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: was given that last contract extension is because it was

661
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 3: always a packaged deal Kyler and Cliff. So Kylo has

662
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: never run more of a traditional offense, been under center

663
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: nearly as much as what most are expecting we're going

664
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 3: to see. So I think that's going to be an

665
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: intriguing aspect of it too. Just when is he physically

666
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: and mentally ready and how long before he excels in

667
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: this type of scheme, which remembers zach Ertz told Wolf

668
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: and Luke couldn't be any more different than what Cliff

669
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: Kingsbury had run the previous four years.

670
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: Well, let's go back before you're even at the line

671
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. How many times have we seen kyleer Murray

672
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: operate out of a huddle where you're slowing things down

673
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: a little bit, and, as Ron Woofley likes to say,

674
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: looking at all ten of your teammates in the eyes

675
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: and say, all right, this is what we're doing. And

676
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: then how much direction is he getting from Drew Petsing

677
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: on the sideline hand signals versus what's in the headset

678
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: versus Hey, I'm looking at my wristband and now I

679
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: need to relay the play to everyone else. That is

680
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: all going to be different as well. Forget the fact

681
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: that you're going to be under center taking the snap.

682
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: You got to relay the information to your teammates.

683
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: Hey, in the preseason games, when Clayton tune, we figure

684
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 3: we'll get the second half, if they have some issues

685
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 3: getting in and out of the huddle, If he has

686
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: some issues under center, don't be surprised, because I was

687
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: talking to Clayton Tune in the Big Red Rage. They

688
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: did very little of that at Houston huddling. What what's

689
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: that under center?

690
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: Huh?

691
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: These these rookie quarterbacks coming out almost exclusively are used

692
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: to what Cliff Kingsbury ran much more the college scheme.

693
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be a learning curve for not only

694
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: Kyler but Clayton Tune. And so we'll see if there's

695
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: some growing pains. So in some some sort of roundabout way,

696
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: maybe it's the best thing for everyone to see Colt

697
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: McCoy running this offense and giving everyone an example of

698
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: what it's supposed to look like.

699
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: The other player that we are all wondering about as

700
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: far as coming off an injury is zach Ertz. How

701
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: healthy is he going to be? He has mentioned time

702
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: and again that he hopes to be ready week one.

703
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: But it's the player that we did not see on

704
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: the field that I'm gonna have a question mark. And

705
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: maybe it's not a question, but maybe maybe it's too

706
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: much speculation and concern over here, Paul. But Buddha Baker,

707
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: is he happy? We've seen him on the field barefoot

708
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: by the way, which I don't understand. But he has

709
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: been in the building, was in the building during mandatory

710
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: mini camp. But is it a happy buddh Baker? Would

711
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: It would surprise me if he does not report on

712
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: time and just becomes that effervescent, physical, spirited player that

713
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: we've all seen and grown to love and respect. But

714
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: is there an issue behind the scenes that people debate

715
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: back and forth. Yes, there is no, there's not. I

716
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: really don't know.

717
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 3: Is it just business? Does it go beyond the contract?

718
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: I presume it really is just dollars and cents. It's

719
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: the lack of guaranteed money going forward. It's that moment

720
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: in his career at twenty seven years of age, in

721
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: his prime, is a legitimate prole Bowl safety as someone

722
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: who has been touted as the example to follow. It's

723
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: all about leverage.

724
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: You know.

725
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: The Cardinals have the cap room, so the timing is

726
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 3: right there. Look, what you hear from the GM is positive.

727
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: There hasn't been a war of words. The fact he's

728
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: in the building, he's been out on the field at least,

729
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: you know, hanging and vibing with his teammates. Okay, so

730
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: I'm taking that as a positive in terms of it's

731
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: just a matter of time do they come to an agreement.

732
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 3: It'd be much different if he wasn't in the building

733
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: and didn't appear to be learning the system, you know.

734
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 3: In other words, there's a future he's interacting with the coaches.

735
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: But when will he be holden? How will you are

736
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: the Cardinals to redo the deal? There's always the downside

737
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: of setting a precedent. Now, can the Cardinals say, hey,

738
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 3: when you play like Buddha Baker, come knock on our door. Yes,

739
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 3: he's a very singular player in so many different ways,

740
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 3: but he is the heartbeat of the defense. We both

741
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 3: know that any Cardinals fan who watches the Cardinals, there

742
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: is no one quite like Buddha Baker, and they will

743
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 3: not be the same team if he's on the sideline

744
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 3: instead of between the white stripes.

745
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: You need to see number one on the field. You

746
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: need to see number three on the field. As far

747
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: as this team going into twenty twenty three, any other

748
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: questions Paul, that you have that you still have going

749
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: into training camp, whether it's a roster move or it's

750
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: a position group as far as now, I did write

751
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: down just for your own benefit, and I do have

752
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: a question just because I mean, there is a competition.

753
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: One of my you know, training camp battles is the punter, absolutely.

754
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 3: Matt Hawk, the veteran, six year veteran, former ASU guy

755
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: who specializes in putting in punts, put downing punts inside

756
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: the twenty. Okay, he's the experienced guy. And then you

757
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: have Nolan Cooney, big leg been impressive definitely as the

758
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: backing of the special teams coordinator Jeff Rogers. So what

759
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: does that mean. Let there be a punter battle. We've

760
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 3: seen three different long snappers. Is that just because of

761
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: an injury to the veteran? We'll see what that means exactly.

762
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: But when Jonathan Gannon says, quote everything is a competition,

763
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: and guess what there is to believe him. But yeah,

764
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: if you say, are there more questions out there? My

765
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 3: hand is in the air. So when you call me,

766
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: I say, you know, what are you going to sign

767
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: a free agent?

768
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: Center been a.

769
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 3: Few rumblings as such by some of the national NFL insiders,

770
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 3: you know, Magnus ver Froholt, which is how I refer

771
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: to him, by the way, in honor of Magnus ver

772
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: magnuson the strong man for everything that he is, and

773
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: I think he's a viable center. He's only had four

774
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: starts in his career and that was as the fourth

775
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: string center in a pinch, a real emergency for the

776
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: Browns last year, So he doesn't exactly bring a ton

777
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 3: of experience to the position now with Colt McCoy. Colt

778
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: McCoy can handle a lot of that, especially if he's

779
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: under center and a lot of those line calls. But

780
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: if you have Kyler Murray back under center for the

781
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: first time, do you want an experienced guy like a

782
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: Rodney Hudson type. So that's a big question. Can you

783
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 3: really run all this eleven, twelve, and thirteen personnel with

784
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: the current tight end room? Are you gonna have to

785
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 3: make an addition to that room? Which brings me to

786
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 3: my fire question. Is Monty hall Haul gonna show up

787
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 3: again at the end of camp and is he gonna

788
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: have a lot of waiver claims since Cardinals are number

789
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: three in that in that order? And are they going

790
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 3: to bolster several rooms based on cuts from other teams

791
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 3: when the other teams get down to fifty three.

792
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: I'd even add d line edge rusher cornerbacks specifically, that

793
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: might be the biggest question mark on that defensive side. Yeah,

794
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: even if you do have Buddha, Jalen and Isaiah playing safety,

795
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: you still need two starting cornerbacks three four into the season.

796
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: And who are those? I mean, is Marco Wilson ready

797
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: to be that guy? I mean he certainly came on

798
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: strong as a rookie, but I maybe tailed off a

799
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: little bit, maybe got tired, hit a rookie wall Is

800
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: he right now? He and Antonio Hamilton are? You? Are

801
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: your starting quarnerbacks? And nothing against those that just that

802
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: just doesn't it doesn't scare a lot of quarterbacks, especially

803
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: the way the quarterbacks that this team is going to

804
00:40:59,200 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: face this year.

805
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 3: It's one room where I could see a Quavan White,

806
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: undrafted rookie free agent out of Georgia State who was

807
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: impressed out on that field. I could see him making

808
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: a run at the final fifty three. How many undrafted

809
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: rookie free agents are viable candidates to make the final

810
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: roster out of camp? Kyle Soley, the inside linebacker from ASU,

811
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: Jacob Slade, the defensive lineman out of Michigan State. Mari

812
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: de Mercado, the running back out of TCU, has got

813
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: a lot of props and praise. I could see, honestly,

814
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 3: you could see four guys at least with a real

815
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 3: shot at making the final fifty three who were not drafted.

816
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: That entire inside linebacker room I think is gonna consist

817
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: of newcomers kay Zer White, Josh Woods, Chris Barnes, Owen Papo,

818
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 3: the Day three draft pick, and then the undrafted rookie

819
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: free agent Kyle Solely. So yeah, there are a lot

820
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: of questions, and because there are no allegiances between this

821
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: new GM and head coach and the current roster, for

822
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: the most part, let there be changed. I think it's coming.

823
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: I'll give you two more undraft rafted free agent names

824
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: and you can add to your list of breakout players here.

825
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: Re y'ell just basically cover the entire unrookie draft class

826
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals in twenty twenty three. But when

827
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: you talk about the tight ends and needing blocking tight ends,

828
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: can that be a Blake Whitehart out of Wake Force,

829
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: who received the most guaranteed money of any undrafted free agent.

830
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 1: He got two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to come

831
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: and signed. So the Cardinals definitely wanted him. Now can

832
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: he do what they want him to do on the

833
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: football field? And the other tight end is out of

834
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: Michigan Joel Hungeford, who is a offensive lineman converted to

835
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: tight end. This team needs not a pass catching tight end,

836
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: they need a blocking tight end. Can one of those

837
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: two or maybe even both make this roster?

838
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: All right?

839
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: So now I have six I have six undrafted rookie

840
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: free agents in my working list here that have a

841
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 3: viable shot at the final fifty three. But you're right,

842
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 3: the tight end room might be the position group to

843
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: start with, just based on the fact the uncertain e

844
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: on zach Ertz certainly didn't proclaim he was gonna be

845
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: ready week one when he's on with Wolf and Luke,

846
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: So I don't know what that means exactly. Trey McBride, man,

847
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: you know, look, he's gonna take a big leap I

848
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: think from year one to year two, but he's gonna

849
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 3: need some help, and then behind him there's a lot

850
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 3: of uncertainty. So yeah, I think that's that is a

851
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: big question. Things we still wonder about. Had a chance

852
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 3: to talk with Manti asin Ford within the last couple

853
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: of weeks, and one of the questions I asked him

854
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 3: was will there be or how many additions do you

855
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: think to this roster between now and once you start

856
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 3: getting into pads, And he really deferred on that and

857
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: immediately pointed to the end of camp and waiver claims

858
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: when teams decide in their final fifty three. So I

859
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: don't think the old time time sign we used to

860
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 3: count on one, two or three of them within the

861
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: first week of camp. I do not expect that with

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Speaker 3: maniasin Ford, I don't think that's gonna be his m

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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 1: It might go back to what we began. Cardinals cover

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Speaker 1: two percent to about Yundai prop partner of the Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals with and that is that first padded practice Monday,

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Speaker 1: July thirty. First, how many answers do this front office,

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Speaker 1: this coaching staff get when now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: training camp gets rasheted up and now guys are going

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Speaker 1: full speed, pads are on, and all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: it does become full contact football. You're not just going

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Speaker 1: running in shorts and just maybe going half speed quarter speed,

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Speaker 1: but those padded practices. That's early in camp. All right,

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Speaker 1: we know what you can do when you're running on air.

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Speaker 1: Now let's put some obstacles in your way and see.

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Speaker 3: What you do. And we know the commitment to the

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Speaker 3: offensive line and defensive line by the decision makers who

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Speaker 3: are in place now that that was one of the

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Speaker 3: comments zach Ertz made. He said, there has been a

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Speaker 3: philosophy shift. There has been a change in the organization.

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Speaker 3: There is much more emphasis on the line of scrimmage

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Speaker 3: than there was previously. And it was interesting zach Ertz

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Speaker 3: and is eleven years in the league and he has

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Speaker 3: a ring and he said, he hoole hardly agreed with that. So,

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Speaker 3: for all the weapons any team can have, if you

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Speaker 3: lose a couple offensive linemen, it's real tough to win

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Speaker 3: in this league. And what happened to the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 3: during their four win campaign in twenty twenty two. How

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Speaker 3: many different starting offensive line combinations did they have a

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Speaker 3: year ago? Ten at least?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: And so okay, you know, when you have consistently that

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Speaker 3: rotating you know, group of offensive linemen and guys that

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Speaker 3: are not used to playing, you know, with each other,

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Speaker 3: and there's no cohesion and no chemistry. Look out, just

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Speaker 3: look out, and then you know you forget. And Will

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Speaker 3: Anderson talked about this and Dj Umprees talked about it

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Speaker 3: with the media. People don't nearly appreciate offensive line play

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Speaker 3: enough until you start losing your starters and becomes painfully

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Speaker 3: apparent what it looks like between a legitimate starting offensive

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Speaker 3: lineman in the league and a fringe backup.

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Speaker 1: Ten different offensive line combinations. The most consecutive weeks the

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Speaker 1: same five guys played together was four weeks fifteen through eighteen.

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Speaker 1: You don't have an offensive line, you don't have an offense,

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Speaker 1: you don't have an offense, you don't have points, you

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Speaker 1: don't have points, you don't have scoring, and all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you're not winning ball games.

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Speaker 3: So look for everything I think you do have in

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Speaker 3: the receiver room, and I think it's better than most

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Speaker 3: people think. Between Hollywood Brown, Ron Dale Moore, and Greg Dortch,

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Speaker 3: you know Michael Wilson, if he's that guy Zach Pascal

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Speaker 3: who's very motivated and very hungry, I think you have

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Speaker 3: more than enough at the receiver position to actually re

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Speaker 3: establish a downfield passing attack and move the football You

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Speaker 3: just got to protect the quarterback and establish that run

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Speaker 3: game to make it a balance attack. And we're gonna

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Speaker 3: see a lot more play action this year. The play

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Speaker 3: action has to be respected by that front seven. You

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Speaker 3: have to force a defense to put that extra safety

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Speaker 3: in the box, that too high shell coverage that Cardinals

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Speaker 3: could never solve over the last few years. You have

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Speaker 3: to make defenses pay for that. And I think that's

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Speaker 3: the first objective by Drew Petsing.

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Speaker 1: Questions that we have begin to get answered when training

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Speaker 1: camp begins. Eleven open practices at State Farm Stadium again.

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Speaker 1: The first one is Thursday, July twenty seventh, first padded practice.

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Speaker 1: Monday July thirty first parking admission free. Digital tickets, though

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Speaker 1: are required. Just go to Azycardinals dot com for more

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Speaker 1: information and your complete training camp schedule as far as

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Speaker 1: how many open practices there are and when they will be.

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Speaker 3: Here's what you do. If you're a fan, you walk in,

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Speaker 3: you tell the boss July thirty first, that's an Arizona holiday. Well,

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Speaker 3: what are you talking about, hand rahn no Jat day

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Speaker 3: July thirty first, it's the first padded practice. Thou shall

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Speaker 3: take the rest of the day off.

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Speaker 1: Full circle moment here, Paul, enjoy your parking here at

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Speaker 1: the Digital Health Arizona Cardinals Training Center, because you'll only

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Speaker 1: have it for so long before everyone else returns for

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Speaker 1: the regular season. I might just double park out there

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Speaker 1: because I can. I'm just gonna flex out there. I

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Speaker 1: am gonna be the guy that parks over the line

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Speaker 1: like so many other people have done around here, and

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Speaker 1: you know who you are. I'm gonna do that intentionally

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Speaker 1: by design today. Always knew you were a rule breaker, Paul,

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Speaker 1: all right, non conformist. On that note, we will put

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Speaker 1: a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented

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Speaker 1: by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always,

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim Mamlhundra, who is

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Speaker 1: also here again no days off for the three of

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Speaker 1: us here in the off season. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next time here on Cardinals Cover two.