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Speaker 1: Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

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Speaker 1: a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: We got lots to say, We got lots to say.

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Speaker 3: What a backer and we hope you stay because we.

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Speaker 4: Got lost to say.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we got lots to say. Now here's Bobby that.

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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 4: Somebody's actually calling my front work right now. It's hey, Ree,

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Speaker 4: can you up and sign for that package? This is

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Speaker 4: what we're doing. Yeah, coming, hold on, he's gonna run

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Speaker 4: off Reid. Get it, get it. This is what when

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Speaker 4: you're working home. Yes, when you're working from home, ups

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Speaker 4: shows up while you're doing the show.

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Speaker 6: Of course they are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and of course it needs a signature. It's probably

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Speaker 3: something that your wife about herself.

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Speaker 4: I think it's honestly something because I spend way more

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Speaker 6: Do you, I'm the exact opposite.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I spend way more than her. She doesn't. She

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Speaker 4: feels guilt about buying like expensive clothes, where I don't

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Speaker 4: feel guilt about anything. A lot of the stuff that

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Speaker 4: I buy, though, if I'm buying clothes for like TV

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Speaker 4: or something, I don't have swag. You write off your

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Speaker 4: outfits if I use it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, of course that's brilliant.

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Speaker 4: I didn't come up with it. Like my business manager

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Speaker 4: was like, you're buying this for television, so you should

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Speaker 4: write it off.

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Speaker 3: What about if I just wear stuff for the podcast,

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Speaker 3: like I could show up. I'm not giving you financial

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Speaker 6: Next week I show up. I'm like, I wrote it off.

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Speaker 6: Bobby told me I could. I think you're good.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm not one to give financial advice.

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Speaker 7: I know.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we will do sports conspiracies. Now. I've not told

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Speaker 4: Matt what the conspiracies are, but I'm gonna run and

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Speaker 4: buy you. We'll see if you believe them or if

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Speaker 4: they're fake. I like this what Matt is going to

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Speaker 4: do later and I don't know what his are. You're

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Speaker 4: bringing quarterback terminology and you're gonna make me less dumb. Okay,

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Speaker 4: and listeners, you're gonna tell you're gonna teach me things

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Speaker 4: that casual or mids aren't gonna know. But we're gonna

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Speaker 4: oh yeah, of course that's what that means.

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Speaker 6: We've got it, guys.

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Speaker 4: Boom, Okay, I'm in my Matt Castle number seven, can't

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Speaker 4: City Chiefs jersey.

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Speaker 3: Rocking hard, looking good, Yeah, filling it out. I like

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Speaker 6: Guy, are you. Yeah?

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Speaker 3: See, I was always more of a blue guy, but

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Speaker 3: then red does pop on you.

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Speaker 6: It really brings out your eyes. Hey, thanks, you're welcome.

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Speaker 4: I got to wonder how it's to change a jersey

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Speaker 4: all blue. That Patriots jersey looks nothing one percent cheap jersey?

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Speaker 4: Is that weird?

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Speaker 6: We're super weird.

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Speaker 3: So I went from the Patriots, you know, pretty classic colors,

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Speaker 3: Then I got to the Chiefs locker room and there's

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Speaker 6: And it just was one of those things that you

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Speaker 6: It just took some time to get used to that.

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Speaker 6: And I changed my number.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm for seven on right now, well sixteen Lynn

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Speaker 6: Seven's a great I mean great number as well.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of how I was forced to my stupid

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Speaker 4: name Bobby Bones because it's not my real name. Bobby's

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Speaker 4: And they're like, wow, that's stupid. Really yeah. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: and they say, you can be Bobby Z or Bobby Bones.

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Speaker 4: They gave me two options.

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Speaker 6: Bones was definitely the better pick.

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Speaker 4: I think so too. I never have really loved it

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Speaker 4: Bobby Z feels like I'm going to sell you some

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Speaker 6: You're definitely on an INFO commercial.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like Bobby Z. Well let's get you to place.

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Speaker 6: Bobby Z. I've got the gorilla grip here, read you sign?

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Speaker 4: Oh you got do you know what it was? Just

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Speaker 6: Oh.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate that, buddy, he flew up there. We have

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Speaker 4: coming up in a few minutes, Jim Naggi, who runs

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Speaker 4: the REESEA Senior Bowl. But then after that, I took

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Speaker 4: Boston Girl loved that. Matt included who's yours is one

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Speaker 3: Listen to the podcast like that was definitely in depth

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Speaker 3: analysis that we're giving right there.

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Speaker 4: So we're gonna bring her on and that's cool. I

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Speaker 4: don't know what your raid is, but I'll have you sign.

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Speaker 4: I love that one thousand bucks? Is that what your

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Speaker 4: A couple of stories. One speaking of the Chiefs. Now,

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Speaker 4: And then secondly, there's been talk of a dome in

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Speaker 6: Missouri, right on the Missouri side.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, What do you think as a former chief

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Speaker 3: Well? Number one, I know that there's been always ongoing

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Speaker 6: It's not far away.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, and that's the thing you make the exact point.

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Speaker 4: Kansas is going to spend money, the state of Kansas

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Speaker 3: Exactly so that that could play out the way that

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Speaker 6: It kind of makes sense Kansas City.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Kansas would be like the Lakers getting Luca, Like

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Speaker 4: I would love that.

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Speaker 3: But the thing about Arrowhead, it's such a special stadium. Anybody,

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Speaker 3: it though, it'll be just as loud. I mean, those

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not a I would be an advocate

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Speaker 4: Or all you want. I don't want to freeze myself

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Speaker 3: You don't have to put on the wet suit. Yes, no,

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Speaker 6: Oh gosh.

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Speaker 4: One other headline Bills and wide receiver Kalishiker reached agreement

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Speaker 4: today on a four year contract. It's an extension worth

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Speaker 4: up to sixty million dollars thirty two million guaranteed, eighteen

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Speaker 4: into Buffalo through the twenty twenty nine season. I will say,

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Speaker 4: in my opinion the Bills, which had quote no wide

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Speaker 4: I think s Kirk came out of this really the

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Speaker 4: the looks had they had other a number one, a

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Speaker 6: There's no doubt.

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Speaker 3: I think when you look at this season and you

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Speaker 3: There obviously was trust in chemistry with Josh Allen, and

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Speaker 3: he had an outstanding year. And when you go out

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Speaker 3: I'm sure if I'm Josh Allen, you're looking at what

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Speaker 3: need to bring this guy back. And that's a special

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Speaker 3: part about having a franchise quarterback like Josh Allen, because

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Speaker 3: when you have a guy like that, wide receivers want

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Speaker 4: The Combine is this week in Indy. Now, you did

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Speaker 6: I didn't run a good forty. I know that too hard.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what a good forty would be though

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Speaker 6: Officially? Gosh, I want to say four to nine.

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Speaker 4: Four eight, Yes for eight eight, Yeah, that's pretty much

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Speaker 4: a four nine. But it's not. It's not a four

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: The funny part is I trained so hard for that.

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Speaker 3: I went out and like was with a track coach

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Speaker 6: This, that and the other.

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Speaker 3: Still, when it came time, I've felt my heart pump

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Speaker 3: I think this before I wore track spikes didn't really help.

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Speaker 4: Did you run a faster forty in training? Do you remember, Yes,

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Speaker 4: I definitely ran a faster forty was it time the

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Speaker 3: Uh, hand and operated. Yeah, that's probably why I was

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Speaker 3: in the four sevens that day. I was like, can

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Speaker 3: you guys borrow this? Do we have any footage of this?

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Speaker 3: Can you just check this out?

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Speaker 4: So you're sure the trainer wasn't gassing you up. You're

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Speaker 4: at four to six.

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Speaker 6: That you're just he probably was.

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Speaker 3: He's like, look, you've been training for three months, dude,

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Speaker 6: Going to just gas you up right now. Vertical jump,

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Speaker 4: I think I was a thirty three, thirty four, so

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Speaker 4: you're not giving yourself enough credit. He's mister humble in life,

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Speaker 4: and on this show, thirty four is pretty good. Could

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Speaker 4: you dunk?

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Speaker 3: No, I couldn't dunk. You give me a small ball

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Speaker 4: So it's probably two inches away.

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Speaker 6: Probably two inches away.

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Speaker 4: You never dunked?

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Speaker 6: No, are you dunk?

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Speaker 4: I'm two an avanage.

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Speaker 6: Right, I know, But I got a caboose on me. Bro.

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Speaker 6: It just always weighted me down.

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Speaker 4: But that's like a thrower's butt.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 4: It's not junk in the trunk. You have a thrower's butt. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it was like c seed Sabbathia buttocks.

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Speaker 6: Right, But I need I need the calves. See I was.

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Speaker 6: I went a big thigh, small skinny calfs didn't really

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Speaker 4: When did you grow as a kid?

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Speaker 3: So I was about six six' one my freshman, year

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Speaker 6: Year what about your? Kids my, kids they're all pretty.

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Speaker 4: Tall are they taller than you?

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Speaker 3: Matthew my son is really. Tall he might be one

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Speaker 3: Niner my daughter's fourteen's of five. Ten my other daughter's,

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Speaker 3: thirteen she's five. Eight my Son, clay he's almost five

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Speaker 3: she's really tall for her. GREADE i don't know where she,

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Speaker 4: is you mean you know where she. Is you don't know.

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Speaker 4: HER i don't know BECAUSE i we don't know where she.

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Speaker 6: Has that's. Trouble hopefully she's stall at.

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Speaker 3: School, yeah that would be a bad parenting decision by.

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Speaker 4: Me my wife AND. I we do not have kids.

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Speaker 4: Yet we plan sometime soon to start trying to have

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Speaker 4: Bobby and to her it's why would you want to

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Speaker 4: Yeah she's, like why would you want to put the

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Speaker 4: women like name their daughters after? Themselves did that? Never she's,

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Speaker 4: right that never, happened, True AND i, said, Well i'd

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Speaker 4: really like to have A. Bobby but then she, says

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Speaker 4: what about if you have another boy and he's not The,

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Speaker 4: bobby like the first, Kid? Matthew did you have that?

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Speaker 6: Bog, Well i've got A Matthew.

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Speaker 3: Junior and so we were going back and forth if

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Speaker 3: Girl so we had always a girl name a boy.

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Speaker 3: if we only have one, boy why don't we go with,

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Speaker 6: Bear so we went With.

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Speaker 3: Matthew and at the end of the, DAY i was,

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Speaker 3: like the kids still will Be, matthew and, yes it

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Speaker 6: Is your dad did, this but he'll find his own.

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Speaker 3: PATH i think that most juniors that you know have done.

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Speaker 3: That and then my Son clay came along and we

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Speaker 3: between the two boys Like clay's never, like, dude why

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Speaker 3: don't you name Me matthew two or anything like.

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Speaker 4: That The George foreman he has like All george's And.

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Speaker 6: Georgina's that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: THOUGH i like that. TOO i would Loved, YEAH i

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Speaker 6: That it makes it.

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Speaker 3: Easy bobby, One bobby, Two bobby, three like we're.

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Speaker 6: Good It's bobby's.

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Speaker 4: World it's just. Sequels it's not even different, kids just

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Speaker 6: Them will one of them work out the follow on my?

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Speaker 3: Footsteps, no it's just one of those where it was

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Speaker 3: just kind of came about with like what about a

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Speaker 4: It THE Nfl combine Starts. Thursday you can watch it

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Speaker 4: AN nfl network all week and, long and SO i

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Speaker 4: want to do some of These combine. Activities they'll be

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Speaker 4: doing some of the. Drills forty yard Dash Xavier worthy

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Speaker 4: holds the record with four point twenty, one which he

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Speaker 4: did in twenty twenty. Four the forty evaluated by itself

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Speaker 6: Overrated or.

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Speaker 3: UNDER i think it's overrated in some capacity because you

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Speaker 3: definitely see wide receivers that might have larger frames and

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Speaker 3: run a four to. FIVE a four to five is

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Speaker 3: not that much different than a four to. Four but

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Speaker 3: if you can go out and you turn on the

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Speaker 3: catch the, ball come out of his, brakes has intermediate,

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Speaker 3: quickness and all the different things that you look like

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Speaker 6: Player and that's the hard.

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Speaker 3: Part when you do these, measurables it's just a measurable and,

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Speaker 3: yes you have explosive, speed but does that. Translate We've

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Speaker 3: i've played with guys that were drafted in the second

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Speaker 6: Three they couldn't play.

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Speaker 3: Football so the first thing That i'm doing as evaluator

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Speaker 3: Is i'm turning on the. Tape i'm, saying does this

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Speaker 3: guy love? Football does he hustle every single? Play is

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Speaker 3: he a guy that understands the game because you can

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Speaker 3: see for a wide receiver in, particular is it man versus?

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Speaker 3: Zone can he win one on one matchups when there

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Speaker 3: when he's locked up against a good. Corner so that's

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Speaker 3: the most important. Aspect, now if you go out there

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Speaker 3: you run four to, eight well that might say something

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Speaker 4: KNOW i feel like at, times if you run a great,

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Speaker 4: reason other than your, fast which usually doesn't end. Well, Right,

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Speaker 4: like if you're, Drafting, wow he's so much faster than we.

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Speaker 4: THOUGHT I, mean there are a few PLAYERS i can

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Speaker 4: took them years to. ADJUST i think even With Xavier,

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Speaker 4: worthy he was like he's just going to run straight

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Speaker 4: line and he developed out of necessity into a better

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Speaker 4: really struggle with having wide receivers because everybody got. Hurt but,

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Speaker 4: YEAH i think. They i'm with. You my opinion doesn't

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Speaker 3: Weight and the, guys as soon as they get done

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Speaker 3: with football, season they go right into training just these.

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Speaker 3: Drills they're not doing as much football oriented stuff other

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Speaker 3: than if you're a quarterback you're throwing to wide, receivers

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Speaker 3: you're working on your footwork and all that. Stuff And

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Speaker 3: i'm sure they're all doing that because they do do

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Speaker 3: football related, drills don't get me, wrong but these specific,

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Speaker 3: drills the three, cone the twenty yard, shuttle the sixty yard.

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Speaker 3: Shuttle these guys have been training for months just for

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Speaker 3: that they can shine right when they're time's. CALLED i

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Speaker 3: did that for THE act. TEST i literally just studied

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Speaker 3: THE act. TEST i crushed, it BUT i just studied the.

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Speaker 4: Test, right wasn't the, material it wasn't all the things

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Speaker 4: they could ask. YOU i literally Studied act theory and

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Speaker 4: really and. CHEATED i mean didn't, cheat but, yeah it

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Speaker 4: combine things so you score better at the. COMBINE i

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Speaker 4: did that with the. ACT i have two. More The wonderlick.

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Speaker 4: nineteen seventy. Five now The Wonder lick isn't used near

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Speaker 6: It?

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Speaker 3: Well it's funny BECAUSE i went in for protay AND i,

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Speaker 3: LIKE i THOUGHT i was going there just to do

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Speaker 3: like you're not even on my. LIST i was, like,

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Speaker 3: there and you, know it's some of it's really easy

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Speaker 3: a job interview and not asking them anything about the

440
00:17:54,576 --> 00:17:56,496
Speaker 3: job that they're about to do and what their skill set.

441
00:17:56,536 --> 00:17:59,376
Speaker 3: Is instead you're doing some obscure thing and seeing how

442
00:17:59,376 --> 00:17:59,975
Speaker 3: they respond to.

443
00:17:59,975 --> 00:18:02,656
Speaker 4: That you just give them that triangle from cracker barrel

444
00:18:02,656 --> 00:18:04,896
Speaker 4: where you jumped it right where you jump the t's

445
00:18:05,536 --> 00:18:07,176
Speaker 4: where you go sitting there and sambitdeen up one or

446
00:18:07,176 --> 00:18:10,376
Speaker 4: two left a final. One the quarterbacks throwing doing the

447
00:18:10,416 --> 00:18:13,336
Speaker 4: on field throwing in the. Workouts how valuable is? That

448
00:18:13,376 --> 00:18:16,455
Speaker 4: could you're seeing some of the guys not do? It your, thoughts,

449
00:18:16,856 --> 00:18:17,416
Speaker 4: WELL i.

450
00:18:17,336 --> 00:18:20,176
Speaker 3: Think it's valuable because, again you've got a lot of

451
00:18:20,215 --> 00:18:23,455
Speaker 3: eyes on, you and also the guys that compete at

452
00:18:23,495 --> 00:18:28,136
Speaker 3: THE NFL i mean. COMBINE i believe that all the

453
00:18:28,176 --> 00:18:31,455
Speaker 3: scouts and the evaluators and the, coaches they like to

454
00:18:31,495 --> 00:18:33,095
Speaker 3: see the fact that they get out there and they

455
00:18:33,136 --> 00:18:36,256
Speaker 3: want to compete against their, peers and then it's mostly

456
00:18:36,376 --> 00:18:40,255
Speaker 3: they're looking at, footwork arm, strength those different types of.

457
00:18:40,296 --> 00:18:41,735
Speaker 6: Elements that does this.

458
00:18:41,816 --> 00:18:44,896
Speaker 3: Translate and, again you're throwing in, shorts you're throwing on,

459
00:18:44,975 --> 00:18:47,936
Speaker 3: Air you're not going against. Competition so take that with

460
00:18:48,016 --> 00:18:50,856
Speaker 3: a grain of. Salt But i'll take a great. Example

461
00:18:51,776 --> 00:18:54,455
Speaker 3: it was It Anthony richardson for The. Colts he's a

462
00:18:54,455 --> 00:18:57,735
Speaker 3: guy that went out, there threw the ball outstanding and

463
00:18:58,296 --> 00:19:02,616
Speaker 3: really performed well from a testing, standpoint AND i don't

464
00:19:02,616 --> 00:19:04,336
Speaker 3: think anybody thought he was going to go as high

465
00:19:04,336 --> 00:19:06,495
Speaker 3: as he. Did but they are, like this guy is.

466
00:19:06,576 --> 00:19:09,456
Speaker 3: Special he's a special, athlete he's got a special. Arm

467
00:19:09,656 --> 00:19:11,536
Speaker 3: if we can develop them into a, player we might

468
00:19:11,576 --> 00:19:15,015
Speaker 3: catch that lightning in a. Bottle and so this is

469
00:19:15,056 --> 00:19:18,416
Speaker 3: an opportunity for them to increase their draft. Stock at

470
00:19:18,416 --> 00:19:21,136
Speaker 3: the same, time there'll be other guys that might misthrows

471
00:19:21,176 --> 00:19:23,816
Speaker 3: and get over critique that they might lose a little

472
00:19:23,816 --> 00:19:25,976
Speaker 3: bit of that momentum and have to work themselves back

473
00:19:26,056 --> 00:19:29,536
Speaker 3: up BECAUSE i think the higher draft status you, have

474
00:19:30,296 --> 00:19:33,056
Speaker 3: the more ability that you have to, drop because everybody

475
00:19:33,096 --> 00:19:36,735
Speaker 3: wants to critique this throw or critique your footwear and

476
00:19:36,776 --> 00:19:39,336
Speaker 3: find weaknesses in your. Game whereas guys that just go

477
00:19:39,416 --> 00:19:41,936
Speaker 3: out there and rip it and let it. Fly that's

478
00:19:41,936 --> 00:19:45,896
Speaker 3: how they raise their draft stock and can get higher

479
00:19:45,896 --> 00:19:46,455
Speaker 3: and higher in the.

480
00:19:46,495 --> 00:19:50,656
Speaker 4: DRAFT i think if you cannot rise because of an

481
00:19:50,656 --> 00:19:54,896
Speaker 4: excellent performance business, speaking you probably should not. THROW i

482
00:19:54,896 --> 00:19:57,056
Speaker 4: know that's not the winter. Mentality but IF i were

483
00:19:57,136 --> 00:19:59,656
Speaker 4: cam or should or and they can go through perfect

484
00:19:59,696 --> 00:20:02,416
Speaker 4: and not lift their status at, all why WOULD i

485
00:20:02,455 --> 00:20:04,936
Speaker 4: go and risk myself to drop when there is no

486
00:20:05,016 --> 00:20:05,696
Speaker 4: ability to.

487
00:20:05,776 --> 00:20:07,416
Speaker 6: Gain that's a great.

488
00:20:07,455 --> 00:20:10,656
Speaker 4: Point so and aside from, that at the, combine you're

489
00:20:10,696 --> 00:20:17,376
Speaker 4: throwing to receivers who you don't, know you have no

490
00:20:17,495 --> 00:20:21,176
Speaker 4: communication with leading into. It they're randomly lined, up they

491
00:20:21,256 --> 00:20:23,576
Speaker 4: run a wrong, route you could look. Stupid there's a

492
00:20:23,616 --> 00:20:25,176
Speaker 4: lot of things that can. Happen now that's only for

493
00:20:25,215 --> 00:20:27,416
Speaker 4: the players that cannot. Rise IF i Were ship or A,

494
00:20:27,455 --> 00:20:30,736
Speaker 4: CAMERAORD i would not. Throw they're still having their pro, days, Right.

495
00:20:30,616 --> 00:20:31,336
Speaker 6: And that's the biggest.

496
00:20:31,376 --> 00:20:34,896
Speaker 3: Thing and that's exactly the point that you're making a

497
00:20:34,936 --> 00:20:37,616
Speaker 3: lot of the high profile quarterbacks won't throw at the,

498
00:20:37,616 --> 00:20:39,616
Speaker 3: combine but they'll go do all the interviews and get

499
00:20:39,656 --> 00:20:42,256
Speaker 3: to know people and introduce themselves and have that. Conversation

500
00:20:42,816 --> 00:20:45,256
Speaker 3: but then they have their pro, day and that pro

501
00:20:45,376 --> 00:20:48,936
Speaker 3: day is something that they've scripted, out they've.

502
00:20:48,696 --> 00:20:51,016
Speaker 6: Been working on that they've been working with those wide.

503
00:20:51,056 --> 00:20:54,256
Speaker 3: Receivers they're, comfortable they understand body, language and so these

504
00:20:54,296 --> 00:20:57,215
Speaker 3: throws they've done hundreds of times already Before Pro, day so.

505
00:20:57,256 --> 00:20:59,176
Speaker 6: You're going to get the best version of.

506
00:20:59,256 --> 00:21:01,896
Speaker 4: Themselves we're going to go and talk To Jim. Naggy

507
00:21:01,896 --> 00:21:04,775
Speaker 4: into the Second Matt Bobby lots to say back in a.

508
00:21:04,776 --> 00:21:22,735
Speaker 4: Second we're about to talk With Jim, nagi the executive

509
00:21:22,735 --> 00:21:25,495
Speaker 4: director Of Reese's Senior, bowl and he's had all these,

510
00:21:25,495 --> 00:21:26,896
Speaker 4: guys so we'll talk about a lot of the. Players

511
00:21:26,936 --> 00:21:27,376
Speaker 4: how do you Know.

512
00:21:27,376 --> 00:21:30,256
Speaker 3: Jim he actually was a scout With New England patriots

513
00:21:30,256 --> 00:21:33,096
Speaker 3: WHEN i got To New, england and then When Scott

514
00:21:33,136 --> 00:21:35,735
Speaker 3: pioli took the job In Kansas, city he came with

515
00:21:35,856 --> 00:21:37,896
Speaker 3: him as one of the scouts For Kansas. City so

516
00:21:37,936 --> 00:21:41,376
Speaker 3: he was actually with me for my first eight years

517
00:21:41,536 --> 00:21:46,136
Speaker 3: in THE nfl in the scouting. Department in the player personnel.

518
00:21:46,176 --> 00:21:49,656
Speaker 3: Department he's a great. Guy obviously he's brilliant because maybe

519
00:21:49,735 --> 00:21:52,096
Speaker 3: he had some impact of me getting.

520
00:21:52,176 --> 00:21:56,735
Speaker 4: Drafted he four Time Super bowl, champion eighteen YEAR nfl,

521
00:21:56,735 --> 00:21:59,056
Speaker 4: scout took over as the executive director of The Senior

522
00:21:59,056 --> 00:22:01,535
Speaker 4: bowl in twenty, eighteen and Like matt, says was a

523
00:22:01,536 --> 00:22:03,696
Speaker 4: scout for The patriots when they Drafted Matt and let's

524
00:22:03,735 --> 00:22:07,455
Speaker 4: have him now On instagram At Jim Naggy UNDERSCORE. Sb

525
00:22:07,735 --> 00:22:12,176
Speaker 4: here he Is Jim. Naggy, Hey, jim thank you so

526
00:22:12,296 --> 00:22:13,975
Speaker 4: much for the. Time you are at the epicenter of,

527
00:22:13,975 --> 00:22:18,055
Speaker 4: football college AND nfl right, now so we're super. Pumped

528
00:22:18,056 --> 00:22:19,656
Speaker 4: you took a few minutes with. US i would like

529
00:22:19,696 --> 00:22:21,576
Speaker 4: to start through and just go back in time into

530
00:22:21,576 --> 00:22:25,496
Speaker 4: the time machine a player by the name Of Matthew. Castle,

531
00:22:26,096 --> 00:22:28,575
Speaker 4: like what do you remember about the scouting Of Matthew.

532
00:22:28,616 --> 00:22:29,696
Speaker 4: Castle he is.

533
00:22:29,656 --> 00:22:31,335
Speaker 7: One of the all time draft.

534
00:22:31,416 --> 00:22:33,976
Speaker 5: Hits, right we always talk About Draft boston And Matt

535
00:22:34,016 --> 00:22:36,815
Speaker 5: castle got, it never started in college and went on

536
00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:39,736
Speaker 5: to become a really SUCCESSFUL nfl. Starter that's a that's

537
00:22:39,735 --> 00:22:41,376
Speaker 5: a hell of a draft pick in the seventh. Round,

538
00:22:42,416 --> 00:22:44,736
Speaker 5: no WHAT i WHAT i remember most About matt especially

539
00:22:44,776 --> 00:22:46,536
Speaker 5: going back To New england is when he was a young.

540
00:22:46,576 --> 00:22:49,656
Speaker 5: Guy just the confidence that he had in the in the,

541
00:22:49,696 --> 00:22:52,495
Speaker 5: Teammates LIKE i remember going down in the cafeteria and

542
00:22:52,856 --> 00:22:55,775
Speaker 5: guys just kind of gravitating To, matt and, uh he

543
00:22:55,856 --> 00:22:57,896
Speaker 5: just kind of had that that hit factor to, him you.

544
00:22:57,896 --> 00:23:00,015
Speaker 5: Know and And Tom brady was well established at that,

545
00:23:00,096 --> 00:23:02,616
Speaker 5: point but when you bring in a young, backup it's

546
00:23:02,616 --> 00:23:04,856
Speaker 5: cool when they've got that to. Him so, yeah and

547
00:23:04,856 --> 00:23:07,735
Speaker 5: then we THEN i went To Kansas city With Scott

548
00:23:07,735 --> 00:23:10,416
Speaker 5: pioli and we traded For. Matt SO i was With

549
00:23:10,576 --> 00:23:12,535
Speaker 5: matt at a couple different, places and it's cool to

550
00:23:12,576 --> 00:23:12,856
Speaker 5: be on with.

551
00:23:12,896 --> 00:23:15,776
Speaker 6: Him, Jim you're my. Hero thank you for drafting.

552
00:23:15,816 --> 00:23:18,616
Speaker 3: Me and, also CAN i just ask this, question how

553
00:23:18,656 --> 00:23:21,656
Speaker 3: did you evaluate? Me and how did were you guys

554
00:23:21,696 --> 00:23:24,735
Speaker 3: able to Convince Bill belichick, like, hey we should just

555
00:23:24,735 --> 00:23:26,215
Speaker 3: take this guy in the seventh. Round you had no

556
00:23:26,296 --> 00:23:28,416
Speaker 3: film to go off. OF i threw thirty two passes

557
00:23:28,416 --> 00:23:28,735
Speaker 3: in all of.

558
00:23:28,776 --> 00:23:30,536
Speaker 6: College that's.

559
00:23:30,576 --> 00:23:33,216
Speaker 5: MORE i thought it was, Seventeen so that's fifteen more

560
00:23:33,256 --> 00:23:37,576
Speaker 5: THAN i. Thought SO i wasn't, NO i wasn't responsible

561
00:23:37,616 --> 00:23:39,295
Speaker 5: for The West. COAST i was in The midwest at that,

562
00:23:39,376 --> 00:23:42,776
Speaker 5: point trying to remember who Our West coast guy was back.

563
00:23:42,776 --> 00:23:45,136
Speaker 5: Then BUT i know it Didn't josh, McDaniels go work

564
00:23:45,136 --> 00:23:46,535
Speaker 5: you out before the draft run this.

565
00:23:46,656 --> 00:23:48,776
Speaker 3: Time, no that's the funny part about. IT i Think

566
00:23:48,816 --> 00:23:51,575
Speaker 3: Matt russell was The West coast guy that came out and.

567
00:23:51,616 --> 00:23:54,536
Speaker 3: Watch and this is another QUESTION i have for. You

568
00:23:54,616 --> 00:23:57,575
Speaker 3: when you do have somebody that you want to get

569
00:23:57,616 --> 00:23:59,536
Speaker 3: drafted and you're in that war, room do you stand

570
00:23:59,536 --> 00:24:02,096
Speaker 3: on the table for that player and try to influence

571
00:24:02,495 --> 00:24:05,095
Speaker 3: coaches or gms or whoever it might be to make that.

572
00:24:05,136 --> 00:24:07,056
Speaker 7: Pick you're, right it was it Was Matt.

573
00:24:07,136 --> 00:24:08,136
Speaker 5: RUSSELL i remember.

574
00:24:08,136 --> 00:24:10,815
Speaker 7: That no one. THING i do Remember.

575
00:24:10,816 --> 00:24:12,975
Speaker 5: Matt you played on some special, teams AND i remember

576
00:24:13,056 --> 00:24:15,616
Speaker 5: us talking about, that you, know just like you, know

577
00:24:15,656 --> 00:24:18,336
Speaker 5: what a competitor you were and what a, selfish selfless

578
00:24:18,336 --> 00:24:20,136
Speaker 5: teammate you were that you wanted to just like find

579
00:24:20,176 --> 00:24:22,335
Speaker 5: any role to get on the damn. Field so that

580
00:24:22,336 --> 00:24:25,016
Speaker 5: that really impressed us going back in your in your.

581
00:24:25,056 --> 00:24:27,936
Speaker 5: History but uh, YEAH i mean in terms of getting

582
00:24:27,975 --> 00:24:29,736
Speaker 5: on the, table you have to do that stuff the right.

583
00:24:29,735 --> 00:24:32,616
Speaker 5: Way AND i think that's what you know that going

584
00:24:32,616 --> 00:24:34,136
Speaker 5: way back in, time those early years In New.

585
00:24:34,136 --> 00:24:35,056
Speaker 7: ENGLAND i was a young.

586
00:24:35,056 --> 00:24:36,376
Speaker 5: SCOUT i MEAN i THINK i was in my late

587
00:24:36,416 --> 00:24:37,455
Speaker 5: twenties at the, time.

588
00:24:37,896 --> 00:24:38,736
Speaker 7: And uh date.

589
00:24:38,816 --> 00:24:40,816
Speaker 5: Myself but, uh you, know and those are the things

590
00:24:40,816 --> 00:24:43,176
Speaker 5: you learn kind of tricks in the trade and, like you,

591
00:24:43,215 --> 00:24:45,056
Speaker 5: know how how to you, know how to go about

592
00:24:45,136 --> 00:24:46,896
Speaker 5: lawyer and up on a, player because that's what it.

593
00:24:46,936 --> 00:24:49,495
Speaker 5: Is you get into draft meetings and and everybody's got

594
00:24:49,536 --> 00:24:51,336
Speaker 5: a different take on a, player so you really got

595
00:24:51,336 --> 00:24:54,416
Speaker 5: to you, know kind of argue your case and then

596
00:24:54,536 --> 00:24:56,816
Speaker 5: and then create support for the. Players so there's the

597
00:24:56,896 --> 00:24:58,856
Speaker 5: right way of doing it and there's the wrong way

598
00:24:58,896 --> 00:25:01,055
Speaker 5: of doing. It but but, uh you, know that's what

599
00:25:01,096 --> 00:25:02,735
Speaker 5: the teams are paying you. For you're out on the,

600
00:25:02,816 --> 00:25:05,136
Speaker 5: road although you, know spending all those hours away from your.

601
00:25:05,136 --> 00:25:07,896
Speaker 5: Family if you don't go back to the building with you,

602
00:25:07,896 --> 00:25:09,336
Speaker 5: know with a bunch of guys that you want to

603
00:25:09,376 --> 00:25:12,296
Speaker 5: be on that football, team you probably weren't doing your job.

604
00:25:12,376 --> 00:25:14,656
Speaker 5: Right so, yeah you certainly you certainly fight the. Case

605
00:25:15,136 --> 00:25:17,455
Speaker 5: and is a young scout that's how you make your.

606
00:25:17,536 --> 00:25:21,255
Speaker 5: Name you push for enough guys that end up making

607
00:25:21,296 --> 00:25:23,455
Speaker 5: it at your place or you, know teams track this

608
00:25:23,576 --> 00:25:25,656
Speaker 5: if they you, know you push for a player and

609
00:25:26,056 --> 00:25:27,575
Speaker 5: you don't draft and or sign, him but he goes

610
00:25:27,616 --> 00:25:30,856
Speaker 5: somewhere else and becomes a really good. Player the teams

611
00:25:30,896 --> 00:25:33,495
Speaker 5: take notice of. That the powers that, be the, gms

612
00:25:33,536 --> 00:25:36,816
Speaker 5: the head, coaches they remember that. Stuff so, yeah it absolutely.

613
00:25:36,896 --> 00:25:39,535
Speaker 4: Happens i'd like to draw a parallel or have you do.

614
00:25:39,576 --> 00:25:41,776
Speaker 4: It being the executive director of The Senior bowl now

615
00:25:42,215 --> 00:25:43,696
Speaker 4: The Resa's Senior, BALL i want to get, that make

616
00:25:43,735 --> 00:25:45,215
Speaker 4: sure we get the sponsor name in, there of course

617
00:25:46,016 --> 00:25:49,136
Speaker 4: that you. Mentioned and SO i talked To scott a

618
00:25:49,136 --> 00:25:51,176
Speaker 4: few weeks ago AND i was talking to him About.

619
00:25:51,296 --> 00:25:54,536
Speaker 4: Matt he mentioned the same, thing the special. Teams what

620
00:25:54,576 --> 00:25:56,736
Speaker 4: parallel would you? Draw can you pick a player now

621
00:25:56,856 --> 00:25:59,576
Speaker 4: that is used or has been able to be used

622
00:25:59,576 --> 00:26:01,775
Speaker 4: in a lot of different places where that's a value

623
00:26:01,776 --> 00:26:02,496
Speaker 4: going into the next?

624
00:26:02,536 --> 00:26:04,416
Speaker 7: Draft oh you mean in this year's?

625
00:26:04,416 --> 00:26:06,735
Speaker 4: Class, yeah, yes somebody who's who's done a lot of

626
00:26:06,735 --> 00:26:10,136
Speaker 4: different things and that's you, know a benefit to drafting.

627
00:26:10,176 --> 00:26:10,416
Speaker 6: Them.

628
00:26:10,735 --> 00:26:12,416
Speaker 5: SURE i mean when you when you say, THAT i

629
00:26:12,455 --> 00:26:15,576
Speaker 5: mean there's always there's always offensive linemen really in defensive

630
00:26:15,616 --> 00:26:19,136
Speaker 5: linemen that are really the most, positioned. Versatile and one

631
00:26:19,136 --> 00:26:21,296
Speaker 5: guy that comes to mind is a dude From North

632
00:26:21,376 --> 00:26:24,616
Speaker 5: Kota state Named Grey's. Abel you, know they've got a,

633
00:26:24,656 --> 00:26:27,735
Speaker 5: long long history of offensive lineman coming out Of North Kota.

634
00:26:27,776 --> 00:26:30,975
Speaker 5: State in, scouting you're not supposed to quote unquote scout the,

635
00:26:31,016 --> 00:26:33,096
Speaker 5: helmet but, man when you when you see those, buys

636
00:26:33,136 --> 00:26:37,696
Speaker 5: That bison offensive line, LINEAGE i mean it, matters you.

637
00:26:37,696 --> 00:26:37,775
Speaker 6: Know.

638
00:26:37,816 --> 00:26:39,056
Speaker 5: There we had a guy in the senior world a

639
00:26:39,056 --> 00:26:42,656
Speaker 5: couple of years, Ago Cody, mauk long red, hair no front,

640
00:26:42,696 --> 00:26:45,376
Speaker 5: teeth he looked like a, viking went in the second

641
00:26:45,416 --> 00:26:48,015
Speaker 5: round of The Tampa Bay bucks and it has become

642
00:26:48,016 --> 00:26:49,215
Speaker 5: a really good player In.

643
00:26:49,215 --> 00:26:50,455
Speaker 7: Tampa you, KNOW i.

644
00:26:50,455 --> 00:26:52,696
Speaker 5: Think he's you, know as great at os being one

645
00:26:52,735 --> 00:26:54,416
Speaker 5: of the top five guards in the league this year

646
00:26:54,656 --> 00:26:56,576
Speaker 5: and that YEAR i Thought cody was the only guy

647
00:26:56,576 --> 00:26:58,296
Speaker 5: in the league in that draft class that could play

648
00:26:58,296 --> 00:27:01,136
Speaker 5: all five offensive line. Spots he actually did that here

649
00:27:01,136 --> 00:27:03,735
Speaker 5: In mobile and this. Year the kid's name Is Gray's.

650
00:27:03,776 --> 00:27:06,096
Speaker 5: Abel And gray was just down here a few weeks,

651
00:27:06,096 --> 00:27:07,056
Speaker 5: ago and.

652
00:27:07,656 --> 00:27:09,176
Speaker 7: You played every. Spot he played.

653
00:27:09,176 --> 00:27:12,816
Speaker 5: Center he's really a, tackle you, know a tackle by

654
00:27:12,856 --> 00:27:15,255
Speaker 5: trade At North Akota, state but he played, guard he played.

655
00:27:15,296 --> 00:27:17,455
Speaker 7: Center so that's really. Cool.

656
00:27:17,495 --> 00:27:19,496
Speaker 5: Man you get into AN nfl season and you're only

657
00:27:19,536 --> 00:27:22,576
Speaker 5: carrying you, know eight or nine offensive linemen on the,

658
00:27:22,656 --> 00:27:25,056
Speaker 5: roster and you know maybe only seven or eight on game.

659
00:27:25,136 --> 00:27:26,656
Speaker 7: Day you get in a.

660
00:27:26,696 --> 00:27:28,495
Speaker 5: Pinch you got to have guys that can move. Around,

661
00:27:28,576 --> 00:27:32,295
Speaker 5: so As matt knows that mantras has always been the

662
00:27:32,336 --> 00:27:35,176
Speaker 5: more you can, do and if you can play all five,

663
00:27:35,215 --> 00:27:36,816
Speaker 5: spots that's a pretty cool calling.

664
00:27:36,856 --> 00:27:39,735
Speaker 3: Card, jim talk to me about the week of The Senior,

665
00:27:39,776 --> 00:27:42,616
Speaker 3: bowl because obviously they play in the, game but when

666
00:27:42,656 --> 00:27:45,296
Speaker 3: the evaluators are looking at these players and they come

667
00:27:45,336 --> 00:27:49,136
Speaker 3: to The Senior, bowl is it one of those situations

668
00:27:49,215 --> 00:27:52,055
Speaker 3: that the week of, preparation the week of practice is

669
00:27:52,096 --> 00:27:55,376
Speaker 3: almost more important for evaluators than the actual.

670
00:27:55,416 --> 00:27:56,975
Speaker 7: Game that's a good, Question.

671
00:27:57,016 --> 00:27:59,335
Speaker 5: MATT i, know that's kind of like the popular, narrative

672
00:27:59,416 --> 00:28:01,896
Speaker 5: right because you, know most of the teams get up

673
00:28:01,936 --> 00:28:05,215
Speaker 5: here and Leave mobile On, friday because our interviews end on,

674
00:28:05,896 --> 00:28:09,016
Speaker 5: night so in so do. Practices so you, know most

675
00:28:09,016 --> 00:28:11,536
Speaker 5: of THE nfl guys get out of. Town most teams

676
00:28:11,536 --> 00:28:13,576
Speaker 5: will have at least a scout or two maybe stick

677
00:28:13,576 --> 00:28:16,136
Speaker 5: around for the. Game but what gets lost in that

678
00:28:16,296 --> 00:28:18,056
Speaker 5: is they go back to the facility and they wear

679
00:28:18,096 --> 00:28:20,616
Speaker 5: the damn tape out the game tape out like you wouldn't.

680
00:28:20,616 --> 00:28:22,376
Speaker 7: Believe BUT i don't. KNOW i, mean the.

681
00:28:22,776 --> 00:28:26,336
Speaker 5: Practice week is certainly really. Important and why is that?

682
00:28:26,416 --> 00:28:29,616
Speaker 5: Important for a couple of. Reasons, ONE i, mean it's

683
00:28:29,656 --> 00:28:31,815
Speaker 5: good on, good you, know it's it's the best of

684
00:28:31,816 --> 00:28:34,936
Speaker 5: the best from around college. Football we've had over eighty

685
00:28:35,056 --> 00:28:37,455
Speaker 5: percent of the draft of the last five drafts playing the.

686
00:28:37,455 --> 00:28:39,936
Speaker 5: Game so you, know you can even play to school

687
00:28:39,976 --> 00:28:42,496
Speaker 5: LIKE usc or a big boy program like. That and

688
00:28:42,536 --> 00:28:45,576
Speaker 5: depending on what position you, PLAY i, mean you might

689
00:28:45,576 --> 00:28:48,056
Speaker 5: not go up against a REAL nfl guy the entire

690
00:28:48,056 --> 00:28:50,416
Speaker 5: season or maybe one or, two you, know and then you,

691
00:28:50,456 --> 00:28:51,176
Speaker 5: know down here.

692
00:28:51,056 --> 00:28:54,256
Speaker 7: You go in rep after rep after. Rep so those.

693
00:28:54,136 --> 00:28:57,976
Speaker 5: Reps are really, important just seeing how guys, compete how

694
00:28:58,016 --> 00:29:00,176
Speaker 5: they learn, it how they take coaching on the. FIELD

695
00:29:00,816 --> 00:29:02,656
Speaker 5: i tell our players all the, time like you're gonna

696
00:29:02,696 --> 00:29:03,296
Speaker 5: get beat down.

697
00:29:03,296 --> 00:29:05,616
Speaker 7: Here you. Know Aaron, Dine like we just Saw zach and.

698
00:29:05,656 --> 00:29:08,296
Speaker 5: Retired he was in the Same Senior bowl As Aaron,

699
00:29:08,336 --> 00:29:11,176
Speaker 5: donald and those two guys had some epic battles and

700
00:29:11,216 --> 00:29:13,336
Speaker 5: they were beating each other. Up and you, know it's

701
00:29:13,376 --> 00:29:15,416
Speaker 5: not if you lose a, rep because you're gonna lose.

702
00:29:15,456 --> 00:29:17,296
Speaker 5: REPS i tell all the, players it's how you bounce.

703
00:29:17,376 --> 00:29:20,096
Speaker 5: Back you, know you've got head coaches and gms down

704
00:29:20,136 --> 00:29:22,176
Speaker 5: on the field and that's what they're paying attention for.

705
00:29:22,216 --> 00:29:25,056
Speaker 5: There they're looking at body, language they're looking at facial

706
00:29:25,096 --> 00:29:27,856
Speaker 5: expression when you get, beat and how you bounce back

707
00:29:27,896 --> 00:29:30,696
Speaker 5: that next. Rep so that that stuff's all really important

708
00:29:31,016 --> 00:29:34,016
Speaker 5: because that's stuff you don't see on. Tape and then

709
00:29:34,056 --> 00:29:36,096
Speaker 5: the other value to The Senior bowl when people ask

710
00:29:36,136 --> 00:29:37,976
Speaker 5: you know what you, know how do you get guys

711
00:29:37,976 --> 00:29:40,856
Speaker 5: From Ohio state And georgia And michigan in these programs

712
00:29:40,896 --> 00:29:44,216
Speaker 5: to come play in the, Game and not trying to

713
00:29:44,216 --> 00:29:47,016
Speaker 5: disparage the scouting community at, all because that's that's. Me

714
00:29:47,176 --> 00:29:49,536
Speaker 5: that's WHO i was for you, know twenty years AND

715
00:29:49,576 --> 00:29:51,976
Speaker 5: i still see myself as as a scout at. Heart

716
00:29:53,016 --> 00:29:55,656
Speaker 5: but it's a lot more valuable when you get the

717
00:29:55,696 --> 00:29:59,016
Speaker 5: decision makers seeing you in. Person so you, know again

718
00:29:59,056 --> 00:30:00,896
Speaker 5: you talk about pounding the table and getting on the

719
00:30:00,896 --> 00:30:03,896
Speaker 5: table for. PLAYERS i know from a scouting, perspective it

720
00:30:03,936 --> 00:30:06,176
Speaker 5: was a lot easy for easier for me to sell

721
00:30:06,216 --> 00:30:09,616
Speaker 5: a player to someone Like Scott pioli if he had

722
00:30:09,616 --> 00:30:12,176
Speaker 5: seen him at The Senior. Bowl, Right, like there's we're

723
00:30:12,176 --> 00:30:14,056
Speaker 5: all just Human, like there's a level of buy in

724
00:30:14,096 --> 00:30:16,575
Speaker 5: when you see it. Yourself so you, know to have

725
00:30:16,616 --> 00:30:19,176
Speaker 5: these guys that are making the picks In april be

726
00:30:19,376 --> 00:30:21,896
Speaker 5: up close and personal with these players for you, know

727
00:30:22,016 --> 00:30:25,696
Speaker 5: for an entire, week that's really. Impactful so you, know

728
00:30:25,696 --> 00:30:27,496
Speaker 5: WHEN i talked to agents AND i talk to players

729
00:30:27,496 --> 00:30:30,256
Speaker 5: and their, families that's that's really my main pitch is

730
00:30:30,256 --> 00:30:32,616
Speaker 5: that these gems and head coaches are just normal guys

731
00:30:33,416 --> 00:30:35,456
Speaker 5: and they're, trying in a short period of, time trying

732
00:30:35,496 --> 00:30:36,616
Speaker 5: to get familiar.

733
00:30:36,176 --> 00:30:36,696
Speaker 7: With a group of.

734
00:30:36,696 --> 00:30:39,456
Speaker 5: Players and you, know why would you pass up an

735
00:30:39,456 --> 00:30:42,416
Speaker 5: opportunity when you've got all these thirty two you know

736
00:30:42,456 --> 00:30:44,936
Speaker 5: teams with all their decision makers you, know down here

737
00:30:44,976 --> 00:30:45,736
Speaker 5: hanging out with you for the.

738
00:30:45,776 --> 00:30:48,536
Speaker 4: Week it looks Like tier one is going to Be

739
00:30:48,776 --> 00:30:49,776
Speaker 4: shutar And cam.

740
00:30:49,536 --> 00:30:50,176
Speaker 6: When it comes to the.

741
00:30:50,216 --> 00:30:54,136
Speaker 4: Quarterbacks but it's that second layer where they're predicting these

742
00:30:54,176 --> 00:30:56,056
Speaker 4: guys to fall at all different. PLACES i Think Jackson

743
00:30:56,136 --> 00:30:59,896
Speaker 4: dart is the one THAT i mean everywhere from a

744
00:30:59,976 --> 00:31:02,536
Speaker 4: mid first round pick into the second. Round can you

745
00:31:02,576 --> 00:31:05,176
Speaker 4: tell me About Jackson dart and what makes them special

746
00:31:05,176 --> 00:31:07,856
Speaker 4: and what will make him rise up the draft?

747
00:31:07,856 --> 00:31:10,416
Speaker 5: Board, yeah it's a it's a great Question jackson. Is

748
00:31:10,456 --> 00:31:13,456
Speaker 5: he does seem like a guy that's gaining. MOMENTUM i

749
00:31:13,536 --> 00:31:16,216
Speaker 5: kind of feel like the media is is getting onto.

750
00:31:16,256 --> 00:31:17,856
Speaker 5: THAT i think the league was a little head of

751
00:31:17,936 --> 00:31:21,296
Speaker 5: ahead of. That, yeah he's a he's got a lot

752
00:31:21,296 --> 00:31:23,256
Speaker 5: of really cool stuff when you just break him, Down

753
00:31:23,296 --> 00:31:25,456
Speaker 5: he's got, Size he's a really good.

754
00:31:25,456 --> 00:31:26,256
Speaker 7: Athlete you, know.

755
00:31:26,216 --> 00:31:28,416
Speaker 5: He's got very good, mobility kind of Like matt was

756
00:31:28,456 --> 00:31:30,696
Speaker 5: a bigger quarterback and he Had matt's a lot bigger

757
00:31:30,736 --> 00:31:33,216
Speaker 5: Than jackson, was but you, know good athlete for his.

758
00:31:33,336 --> 00:31:35,896
Speaker 5: Size he's got a live. Arm he's just you, know

759
00:31:35,896 --> 00:31:38,936
Speaker 5: and he's been through. ADVERSITY i think for a long time,

760
00:31:38,976 --> 00:31:41,456
Speaker 5: NOW nfl teams have been trying to drill down on

761
00:31:41,856 --> 00:31:44,016
Speaker 5: what guys have overcome in, life you, know and again

762
00:31:44,056 --> 00:31:46,336
Speaker 5: bringing that back To, MATT i, Mean matt overcame a lot,

763
00:31:46,456 --> 00:31:49,095
Speaker 5: mentally you, know mental toughness trying to get through his

764
00:31:49,136 --> 00:31:52,136
Speaker 5: career AT usc and you, know you saw in the

765
00:31:52,176 --> 00:31:54,936
Speaker 5: last year's draft, CYCLE i think they really started to

766
00:31:54,936 --> 00:31:57,136
Speaker 5: do that with the quarterback. Position you, know maybe that's

767
00:31:57,136 --> 00:31:59,856
Speaker 5: something the league ignored for a, while was really drilling

768
00:31:59,896 --> 00:32:02,336
Speaker 5: down in the mental toughness and uh AND i think

769
00:32:02,376 --> 00:32:04,416
Speaker 5: we saw with Bo. Nicks you, know you, try a

770
00:32:04,416 --> 00:32:06,896
Speaker 5: lot of these quarterbacks had the easy. Road you, know

771
00:32:06,896 --> 00:32:08,896
Speaker 5: they've always been the best players in high school and

772
00:32:08,976 --> 00:32:11,296
Speaker 5: college and you know then they get to the pros

773
00:32:11,336 --> 00:32:13,296
Speaker 5: and stuff hits the fan a little bit and they

774
00:32:13,296 --> 00:32:15,576
Speaker 5: don't know how to react where you, know with Bone

775
00:32:15,616 --> 00:32:17,736
Speaker 5: nicks last, year he was you, know went through a

776
00:32:17,736 --> 00:32:19,856
Speaker 5: lot At. Auburn we saw, that you, know having a

777
00:32:19,896 --> 00:32:22,896
Speaker 5: lot of pressure on him following his dad's, footsteps you,

778
00:32:22,936 --> 00:32:25,016
Speaker 5: know having it not turn out great after a second,

779
00:32:25,096 --> 00:32:28,616
Speaker 5: year and then going To, Eugene oregon and you, know reinventing.

780
00:32:28,656 --> 00:32:30,736
Speaker 5: Himself and that's kind of What Jackson dart had to,

781
00:32:30,776 --> 00:32:32,616
Speaker 5: do you, know starting off THE usc and being the

782
00:32:32,656 --> 00:32:34,976
Speaker 5: starter as a freshman and then you, know having to

783
00:32:34,976 --> 00:32:37,296
Speaker 5: go out To oxford and kind of refined himself in

784
00:32:37,336 --> 00:32:39,016
Speaker 5: a different part of the. Country so he's bet the

785
00:32:39,096 --> 00:32:41,456
Speaker 5: teams know he's been through some. Stuff so you, know

786
00:32:41,496 --> 00:32:44,616
Speaker 5: the biggest thing For jackson And mobile was, was you,

787
00:32:44,656 --> 00:32:47,656
Speaker 5: know WHEN i say this in all respect To Tulane,

788
00:32:47,736 --> 00:32:50,736
Speaker 5: kiffin was seeing him operate outside of the ole miss

789
00:32:50,736 --> 00:32:51,856
Speaker 5: offense because.

790
00:32:51,936 --> 00:32:53,296
Speaker 7: You, know talking to a lot of guys in the

791
00:32:53,376 --> 00:32:53,976
Speaker 7: league HAD.

792
00:32:53,896 --> 00:32:56,776
Speaker 5: I had one buddy who's an ASSISTANT gm tell me

793
00:32:56,856 --> 00:32:59,456
Speaker 5: this fall that like Watching jackson on, tape was watching

794
00:32:59,536 --> 00:33:01,136
Speaker 5: routes on air a. Lot it'll.

795
00:33:01,136 --> 00:33:02,416
Speaker 7: MISS i, mean guys are just running.

796
00:33:02,416 --> 00:33:04,896
Speaker 5: Wide it's open and you know there's there's not the

797
00:33:04,936 --> 00:33:08,216
Speaker 5: small ways and didn't have to anticipate like you have

798
00:33:08,256 --> 00:33:10,376
Speaker 5: to at the next. Level and so to come down

799
00:33:10,416 --> 00:33:12,815
Speaker 5: to The Senior bowl and play in a REAL nfl

800
00:33:12,936 --> 00:33:15,536
Speaker 5: style offense with you, know you know all those things you,

801
00:33:15,536 --> 00:33:18,296
Speaker 5: know you, know more accuracy.

802
00:33:17,816 --> 00:33:19,696
Speaker 7: And and things.

803
00:33:19,176 --> 00:33:22,096
Speaker 5: Of that nature helped. Him so he's a he's a

804
00:33:22,136 --> 00:33:24,456
Speaker 5: really cool he's a really cool. Prospect and like you,

805
00:33:24,496 --> 00:33:27,096
Speaker 5: said like that that range you gave, HIM i MEAN

806
00:33:27,136 --> 00:33:28,976
Speaker 5: i would air towards the high side of, that just

807
00:33:29,016 --> 00:33:30,656
Speaker 5: because there's so many teams right now that need.

808
00:33:30,736 --> 00:33:33,575
Speaker 3: Quarterbacks he had a front row seat to watch all

809
00:33:33,616 --> 00:33:34,456
Speaker 3: these guys at The Senior.

810
00:33:34,496 --> 00:33:37,536
Speaker 6: Bowl and now we're going into the combine. Week who are.

811
00:33:37,376 --> 00:33:39,376
Speaker 3: Some of the names that you're high on that you

812
00:33:39,456 --> 00:33:42,736
Speaker 3: got to see firsthand and, say, hey this is this

813
00:33:42,816 --> 00:33:44,776
Speaker 3: is a dude that can continue to make that jump

814
00:33:44,816 --> 00:33:46,176
Speaker 3: in the eyes of all the.

815
00:33:46,216 --> 00:33:47,856
Speaker 6: Evaluators that's a really good.

816
00:33:47,856 --> 00:33:49,736
Speaker 5: ONE i would, say you know when someone at your

817
00:33:49,736 --> 00:33:53,936
Speaker 5: crosstown rival AT, Ucla Femio La dejo is a really

818
00:33:53,936 --> 00:33:55,856
Speaker 5: cool player in the sense that you, know he started

819
00:33:55,896 --> 00:33:58,256
Speaker 5: off his career AT cal and he was an off

820
00:33:58,256 --> 00:34:00,855
Speaker 5: the ball, linebacker and he's just a monster when you see, Him,

821
00:34:01,056 --> 00:34:03,176
Speaker 5: like how did this guy play backer at that? Size

822
00:34:03,176 --> 00:34:04,816
Speaker 5: but you, know and he was even an off the

823
00:34:04,856 --> 00:34:06,816
Speaker 5: ball lineback or going into the first couple of games

824
00:34:06,816 --> 00:34:09,056
Speaker 5: of this, year AND i think they moved him in

825
00:34:09,056 --> 00:34:12,216
Speaker 5: like week, three and you, Know, matt you'll remember this.

826
00:34:12,256 --> 00:34:15,096
Speaker 5: Guy Clancy pendergass was our decoordinator In Kansas city and

827
00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:18,176
Speaker 5: he's on THAT ucla staff now and he called me

828
00:34:18,176 --> 00:34:20,136
Speaker 5: about week, four week, five and he's, Like, jim just

829
00:34:20,176 --> 00:34:21,736
Speaker 5: keep an eye on this. Kid he's, like we moved

830
00:34:21,776 --> 00:34:23,336
Speaker 5: him down to the. Edge we're letting him rush the

831
00:34:23,336 --> 00:34:26,216
Speaker 5: passer a little. BIT i really feel like this is

832
00:34:26,216 --> 00:34:29,656
Speaker 5: his best. Home and he took off the second half

833
00:34:29,656 --> 00:34:31,896
Speaker 5: of the. YEAR i, mean this guy's, long he's, powerful

834
00:34:32,736 --> 00:34:35,976
Speaker 5: he just has the prototype edge rusher. Body and then

835
00:34:36,016 --> 00:34:38,815
Speaker 5: he comes to The Senior bowl and he was. Unbelievable

836
00:34:39,376 --> 00:34:41,176
Speaker 5: he was great on the, field he was great off the.

837
00:34:41,176 --> 00:34:45,016
Speaker 5: FIELD i, mean really high, energy guy loves, football SO

838
00:34:45,216 --> 00:34:48,456
Speaker 5: i hope he carries that momentum into the. Combine i'll

839
00:34:48,496 --> 00:34:50,696
Speaker 5: be curious to see what some of the testing stuff

840
00:34:50,736 --> 00:34:53,456
Speaker 5: looks like because on the, field for a guy that

841
00:34:53,536 --> 00:34:55,456
Speaker 5: hasn't done what he's been asked to do for very,

842
00:34:55,496 --> 00:34:58,696
Speaker 5: LONG i, mean it's exciting to like project and think

843
00:34:58,736 --> 00:35:00,216
Speaker 5: that this guy is going to be two years from

844
00:35:00,256 --> 00:35:02,216
Speaker 5: now and someone actually works with him how to rush

845
00:35:02,216 --> 00:35:04,576
Speaker 5: the passer because right NOW i think he's just going

846
00:35:04,616 --> 00:35:07,616
Speaker 5: off natural Abilit so just really curious to see HOW

847
00:35:07,616 --> 00:35:10,136
Speaker 5: fm does with all the with all the testing.

848
00:35:10,136 --> 00:35:12,936
Speaker 4: Stuff can you describe to me At Jalen milroe will

849
00:35:12,976 --> 00:35:14,656
Speaker 4: be at the next? Level Mostly i'm an sc. GUY

850
00:35:14,656 --> 00:35:16,536
Speaker 4: i watched him run a, lot but his arm is.

851
00:35:16,576 --> 00:35:18,496
Speaker 4: TREMENDOUS i don't feel like he got to use it a.

852
00:35:18,536 --> 00:35:22,096
Speaker 4: Lot but what is he going to be at the

853
00:35:22,136 --> 00:35:22,936
Speaker 4: pro level as a.

854
00:35:22,976 --> 00:35:24,056
Speaker 6: Quarterback that's a great.

855
00:35:24,136 --> 00:35:27,256
Speaker 5: QUESTION i think that you, know IF i were to

856
00:35:27,336 --> 00:35:29,496
Speaker 5: be able to pay admission to go into any draft,

857
00:35:29,536 --> 00:35:32,096
Speaker 5: room you, know this spring and be a fly on

858
00:35:32,136 --> 00:35:34,496
Speaker 5: the wall for some of the, debates it would be

859
00:35:34,496 --> 00:35:36,416
Speaker 5: For Jalen milroe IF i could sit in on one,

860
00:35:36,456 --> 00:35:40,176
Speaker 5: player BECAUSE i think there's gonna be arguments on both,

861
00:35:40,216 --> 00:35:44,296
Speaker 5: sides and, uh you, know if you're if you're debating

862
00:35:44,336 --> 00:35:46,856
Speaker 5: on the lower side With Jalen, milroe you'll point to

863
00:35:46,936 --> 00:35:49,656
Speaker 5: like The oklahoma game and some of the inconsistencies with the,

864
00:35:49,696 --> 00:35:53,536
Speaker 5: accuracy especially like short. Intermedia and then if you argue

865
00:35:53,576 --> 00:35:56,376
Speaker 5: on the high, side you'll, say, guys AND i can

866
00:35:56,536 --> 00:35:59,736
Speaker 5: relate this back to my time In. Seattle we legitimately

867
00:35:59,776 --> 00:36:02,335
Speaker 5: talked About Lamar jackson as a wide receiver in our draft.

868
00:36:02,376 --> 00:36:04,696
Speaker 7: Room so that WASN'T i. Know Bill pollion.

869
00:36:04,376 --> 00:36:05,816
Speaker 5: Takes a lot of lot to makes a lot of

870
00:36:05,816 --> 00:36:08,256
Speaker 5: crap for doing, that BUT i was with AN nfl

871
00:36:08,296 --> 00:36:10,176
Speaker 5: team and we had the same debates and now he's

872
00:36:10,176 --> 00:36:12,976
Speaker 5: a two TIME, mvp so you.

873
00:36:12,976 --> 00:36:14,136
Speaker 7: Know and then same thing With Jalen.

874
00:36:14,216 --> 00:36:16,296
Speaker 5: HURTS i, Mean Jalen hurts was in The Senior bowl

875
00:36:16,296 --> 00:36:18,656
Speaker 5: four or five years, ago whatever it, was AND i

876
00:36:18,696 --> 00:36:20,776
Speaker 5: got asked her In Senior bowl press conference if we

877
00:36:20,776 --> 00:36:22,536
Speaker 5: were going to Play jalen or running back during the.

878
00:36:22,536 --> 00:36:25,776
Speaker 5: Week so, again like you can sit there and argue

879
00:36:25,776 --> 00:36:27,856
Speaker 5: all you, want but you you, know a Thing i've

880
00:36:27,896 --> 00:36:31,376
Speaker 5: learned with the accuracy piece is if you're if you've

881
00:36:31,376 --> 00:36:33,816
Speaker 5: got good. Feet to, me accuracy starts at the ground.

882
00:36:33,896 --> 00:36:35,616
Speaker 5: Up AND i mean if you're a high end athlete

883
00:36:35,656 --> 00:36:40,456
Speaker 5: Like Jalen hurts And Josh allen who had accuracy, questions you,

884
00:36:40,456 --> 00:36:42,576
Speaker 5: know and now to a guy Like Jalen, MILROE i

885
00:36:42,616 --> 00:36:44,616
Speaker 5: think that's going to get. Better you, know when you

886
00:36:44,696 --> 00:36:47,136
Speaker 5: work Like Jalen milroe does And Jalen hurts does And

887
00:36:47,256 --> 00:36:49,856
Speaker 5: Josh allen. Do like those guys are high end, Workers

888
00:36:49,856 --> 00:36:52,336
Speaker 5: they're they're gonna get better at their. Craft and uh

889
00:36:52,856 --> 00:36:55,096
Speaker 5: SO i would bet on the high side Of Jalen.

890
00:36:55,136 --> 00:36:57,416
Speaker 5: Milroe but it's gonna be, interesting you, know of all

891
00:36:57,416 --> 00:36:59,056
Speaker 5: these players like where that comes out In.

892
00:36:59,096 --> 00:37:03,136
Speaker 3: April, well every draft class kind of has the strength

893
00:37:03,176 --> 00:37:05,216
Speaker 3: of the draft class from a positional.

894
00:37:05,616 --> 00:37:08,536
Speaker 6: Point last, year obviously we saw what six quarterbacks go

895
00:37:08,576 --> 00:37:08,936
Speaker 6: on the top.

896
00:37:08,936 --> 00:37:11,736
Speaker 3: Fifteen when you look at this year's draft class and

897
00:37:11,776 --> 00:37:14,896
Speaker 3: the crop of athletes coming, out what position group would

898
00:37:14,896 --> 00:37:16,976
Speaker 3: you say is probably the strongest and that we'll see

899
00:37:17,016 --> 00:37:18,856
Speaker 3: come off the board early and.

900
00:37:18,936 --> 00:37:20,896
Speaker 6: Often, YEAH i would say two.

901
00:37:20,976 --> 00:37:24,056
Speaker 5: Positions and the cool part about saying this is these

902
00:37:24,096 --> 00:37:26,296
Speaker 5: were the same two POSITIONS i said over the summer

903
00:37:26,336 --> 00:37:28,736
Speaker 5: WHEN i was asked this type of. Question it's defensive

904
00:37:28,776 --> 00:37:31,696
Speaker 5: line and running, back and you, know usually it doesn't

905
00:37:31,696 --> 00:37:34,176
Speaker 5: always materialize that. Way but you, know because in the

906
00:37:34,216 --> 00:37:37,256
Speaker 5: summer when you're when you're doing underclassman, tape you, know

907
00:37:37,296 --> 00:37:39,776
Speaker 5: you're kind of projecting glass half, full how these guys

908
00:37:39,776 --> 00:37:42,656
Speaker 5: are going to be with another year, development and sometimes

909
00:37:42,696 --> 00:37:45,096
Speaker 5: it doesn't pan. Out you, know sometimes the classes kind

910
00:37:45,096 --> 00:37:48,096
Speaker 5: of fall. Apart but you, know this YEAR'S d line

911
00:37:48,096 --> 00:37:51,456
Speaker 5: class in the running back classes are our. STRONGEST i,

912
00:37:51,456 --> 00:37:53,136
Speaker 5: Mean i'm just going to go back to the seven

913
00:37:53,216 --> 00:37:55,656
Speaker 5: Years i've been here running The Senior. Bowl it's certainly

914
00:37:55,696 --> 00:37:58,136
Speaker 5: the best two classes we've got at those at those

915
00:37:58,136 --> 00:38:00,456
Speaker 5: two respective. Positions so you, know and on THE d,

916
00:38:00,576 --> 00:38:03,136
Speaker 5: line it's not it's not just the edge, group it's

917
00:38:03,136 --> 00:38:05,456
Speaker 5: not just the INTERIOR d. Line it's it's across the,

918
00:38:05,496 --> 00:38:08,416
Speaker 5: board and it's not just. RUN i, mean can you

919
00:38:08,416 --> 00:38:12,176
Speaker 5: can find inside pass, rush you can find eds. Rush

920
00:38:12,216 --> 00:38:14,936
Speaker 5: and then at the running back, position those those guys

921
00:38:14,936 --> 00:38:17,176
Speaker 5: come in all shapes and sizes and skill sets. Too

922
00:38:17,216 --> 00:38:19,456
Speaker 5: you got and most of them can play on third.

923
00:38:19,496 --> 00:38:22,456
Speaker 5: Down most of these guys are three down. Backs SO i,

924
00:38:22,456 --> 00:38:24,016
Speaker 5: mean if you're a, team if you're working for a

925
00:38:24,016 --> 00:38:26,016
Speaker 5: team right, now or you're a fan of a team

926
00:38:26,056 --> 00:38:27,696
Speaker 5: that has a glaring neat at one of those two,

927
00:38:27,736 --> 00:38:30,736
Speaker 5: spots you don't necessarily have to go in the first

928
00:38:30,816 --> 00:38:32,696
Speaker 5: or second. ROUND i think there's going to be starting,

929
00:38:32,736 --> 00:38:37,256
Speaker 5: level starter level players at both of those, positions especially running.

930
00:38:37,256 --> 00:38:39,216
Speaker 5: BACK i, MEAN i think you're going to get some

931
00:38:39,256 --> 00:38:41,016
Speaker 5: guys that end up being starters in the fourth and

932
00:38:41,016 --> 00:38:42,296
Speaker 5: fifth round of this year's running back.

933
00:38:42,296 --> 00:38:45,216
Speaker 4: Class speaking of, that let's talk About Ali gordon two seasons,

934
00:38:45,256 --> 00:38:48,656
Speaker 4: ago unreal At Oklahoma. State last, year the whole team.

935
00:38:48,976 --> 00:38:53,416
Speaker 4: Disappointed So Olli gorton didn't have the season THAT i

936
00:38:53,456 --> 00:38:58,416
Speaker 4: think they expected him. To what do THE, nfl what

937
00:38:58,456 --> 00:39:01,056
Speaker 4: are the personnel guys think Of Olli? Gorton who is?

938
00:39:01,096 --> 00:39:04,656
Speaker 5: He, well they're certainly going to go back to the

939
00:39:04,696 --> 00:39:10,896
Speaker 5: tape two years. Ago he's a big, guy he's. Young you,

940
00:39:10,936 --> 00:39:13,696
Speaker 5: know he's not gonna fit every. Scheme he's just. Not

941
00:39:14,176 --> 00:39:16,176
Speaker 5: he's a big. Dude he's got a hike, cut so

942
00:39:16,216 --> 00:39:20,616
Speaker 5: he's a little, leggy but he's got a really deceptive.

943
00:39:20,656 --> 00:39:23,656
Speaker 5: Gear he's got really nice speed for a guy with

944
00:39:23,776 --> 00:39:26,656
Speaker 5: his body. Type usually those bigger guys don't have the foot.

945
00:39:26,696 --> 00:39:29,776
Speaker 5: Quickness ali, Has so he's got some subtle you, know

946
00:39:30,016 --> 00:39:32,496
Speaker 5: make you miss AND i and and you said. IT

947
00:39:32,576 --> 00:39:34,856
Speaker 5: i mean that everything kind of fell apart in Still

948
00:39:34,896 --> 00:39:37,216
Speaker 5: water this year for whatever, reason and that was they

949
00:39:37,256 --> 00:39:39,296
Speaker 5: were looked at as being a really good. TEAM i,

950
00:39:39,296 --> 00:39:41,016
Speaker 5: mean people had high hopes For.

951
00:39:41,256 --> 00:39:42,096
Speaker 7: Oklahoma state this.

952
00:39:42,176 --> 00:39:43,776
Speaker 5: Year AND i actually talked to you, know a couple

953
00:39:43,816 --> 00:39:45,376
Speaker 5: of guys on the team of The Senior, Bowl Nick

954
00:39:45,416 --> 00:39:48,656
Speaker 5: martin And Colin oliver about that and what their take

955
00:39:48,776 --> 00:39:51,656
Speaker 5: was on, it because they started okay and then things

956
00:39:51,696 --> 00:39:53,855
Speaker 5: just kind of fell. Apart BUT i think What ali,

957
00:39:53,976 --> 00:39:55,936
Speaker 5: showed you, know coming in The Senior bowl is the

958
00:39:56,016 --> 00:39:58,416
Speaker 5: teams might have thought he's just a you, know really

959
00:39:58,536 --> 00:40:00,816
Speaker 5: a base downs running back that you, know struggle to

960
00:40:00,856 --> 00:40:03,896
Speaker 5: contribute in some packages and he can catch the. Ball

961
00:40:04,056 --> 00:40:06,496
Speaker 5: they just didn't they didn't use them a. Lot but and,

962
00:40:06,576 --> 00:40:08,816
Speaker 5: again you, know he's a big target out of the,

963
00:40:08,856 --> 00:40:11,096
Speaker 5: backfield which is you, know really really friendly for a.

964
00:40:11,176 --> 00:40:14,056
Speaker 7: Quarterback SO i think his best football still ahead of.

965
00:40:14,136 --> 00:40:16,096
Speaker 5: HIM i think if you go back to twenty twenty,

966
00:40:16,096 --> 00:40:18,696
Speaker 5: three you know exactly what he, is and you, know

967
00:40:18,736 --> 00:40:21,536
Speaker 5: you just you just chalk it up to didn't have

968
00:40:21,576 --> 00:40:23,856
Speaker 5: a great last year in, college but sometimes those guys

969
00:40:23,936 --> 00:40:24,656
Speaker 5: end up becoming great.

970
00:40:24,696 --> 00:40:27,016
Speaker 3: Pros, Yeah i'm talking to me about the tight End

971
00:40:27,136 --> 00:40:28,656
Speaker 3: harold fan and at A Bowling.

972
00:40:28,696 --> 00:40:31,776
Speaker 6: GREEN i watched this kid play last. Year he was absolutely.

973
00:40:31,776 --> 00:40:33,936
Speaker 3: Phenomenal he might not be a household name like A

974
00:40:33,976 --> 00:40:37,176
Speaker 3: Tyler warrener Or Colson lovelin somebody like, that but the

975
00:40:37,256 --> 00:40:40,576
Speaker 3: kid can. Play do you think his stock once he

976
00:40:40,656 --> 00:40:43,336
Speaker 3: got out there at The Senior bowl and played rose

977
00:40:43,456 --> 00:40:46,056
Speaker 3: tremendously because he is a little bit undersized for the

978
00:40:46,056 --> 00:40:48,376
Speaker 3: tight end, position but he's got tremendous ball.

979
00:40:48,416 --> 00:40:49,896
Speaker 7: Skills, yeah he's he's.

980
00:40:49,696 --> 00:40:52,336
Speaker 5: A he's a unique, prospect you, know like it's you,

981
00:40:52,376 --> 00:40:54,736
Speaker 5: know everyone likes to especially in the media more so

982
00:40:54,896 --> 00:40:58,176
Speaker 5: than with, teams but everyone tries to do the player comparison.

983
00:40:58,256 --> 00:41:01,136
Speaker 5: Game and he's a hard one, because like you, said

984
00:41:01,136 --> 00:41:03,576
Speaker 5: he's only about six, three so he's a little, undersized

985
00:41:03,616 --> 00:41:05,776
Speaker 5: more of an old old school h back type body.

986
00:41:05,816 --> 00:41:09,456
Speaker 5: Type And i'll give it give credit to my Buddy

987
00:41:09,496 --> 00:41:12,376
Speaker 5: Daniel jeremiah at THE Nfl network when we did The

988
00:41:12,416 --> 00:41:17,336
Speaker 5: Senior bowl roster reveal, show he compared fannin it To Antonio,

989
00:41:17,456 --> 00:41:19,776
Speaker 5: Gates and until he said, THAT i never you, know

990
00:41:19,816 --> 00:41:22,136
Speaker 5: but you guys can Remember gates, like he wasn't the

991
00:41:22,216 --> 00:41:26,136
Speaker 5: smoothest moving. Guy everyone thinks he was this phenomenal athlete

992
00:41:26,176 --> 00:41:28,416
Speaker 5: because he was a basketball player At Kent state and

993
00:41:28,456 --> 00:41:31,016
Speaker 5: he was a good, athlete no doubt about. It but

994
00:41:31,056 --> 00:41:33,616
Speaker 5: there was just something a little funky to his movement

995
00:41:33,696 --> 00:41:36,016
Speaker 5: that threw you. Off AND i think that's what made him.

996
00:41:36,016 --> 00:41:38,816
Speaker 5: Effective AND i Think fan is. Similar SO i like

997
00:41:38,936 --> 00:41:41,856
Speaker 5: that comp THAT dj. Throughout but like you, said the

998
00:41:42,176 --> 00:41:44,376
Speaker 5: production is. CRAZY i mean he had the guy had

999
00:41:44,416 --> 00:41:47,856
Speaker 5: like one hundred and seventeen catches and fifteen hundred yards

1000
00:41:47,856 --> 00:41:51,216
Speaker 5: and ten. Touchdowns and so one credit the coaching staff

1001
00:41:51,216 --> 00:41:53,656
Speaker 5: At Bowling, Green Scott leffler and those guys were like,

1002
00:41:54,336 --> 00:41:56,696
Speaker 5: devising you, know scheming ways to get this guy. Open

1003
00:41:56,896 --> 00:41:59,456
Speaker 5: if you're Playing Bowling green this year and you don't

1004
00:41:59,456 --> 00:42:02,176
Speaker 5: have two or three guys focused On Harold, FANNON i

1005
00:42:02,216 --> 00:42:02,776
Speaker 5: don't know what you're.

1006
00:42:02,776 --> 00:42:04,176
Speaker 7: Doing and they still found a.

1007
00:42:04,216 --> 00:42:06,335
Speaker 5: WAY i, mean he was here in the bowl game

1008
00:42:06,856 --> 00:42:10,856
Speaker 5: and caught seventeen. Passes so, yeah he's a hard matchup

1009
00:42:10,896 --> 00:42:14,456
Speaker 5: guy because he is a little unorthodox with his, movement

1010
00:42:14,576 --> 00:42:16,736
Speaker 5: but he knows how to get. Open he's got great,

1011
00:42:16,776 --> 00:42:19,296
Speaker 5: hands he's kind of and he's got a little knack

1012
00:42:19,336 --> 00:42:22,136
Speaker 5: after the. Catch so you you mentioned some of the

1013
00:42:22,176 --> 00:42:24,016
Speaker 5: guys up top that are going to probably go in

1014
00:42:24,016 --> 00:42:26,216
Speaker 5: the first. ROUND i don't Think fannon's going to go

1015
00:42:26,216 --> 00:42:28,336
Speaker 5: in the first, round BUT i think like he's a

1016
00:42:28,376 --> 00:42:30,496
Speaker 5: guy next year right away if like you're a fantasy,

1017
00:42:30,536 --> 00:42:32,696
Speaker 5: player kind of reminds me a little bit Of isaiah

1018
00:42:32,816 --> 00:42:36,656
Speaker 5: likely From Baltimore ravens could be you know right away

1019
00:42:36,656 --> 00:42:38,376
Speaker 5: of good number, two like a number two in the

1020
00:42:38,376 --> 00:42:40,536
Speaker 5: past game THAT i could see fan and having five

1021
00:42:40,616 --> 00:42:42,536
Speaker 5: or six touchdowns next year as a rookie for.

1022
00:42:42,576 --> 00:42:47,616
Speaker 4: Sure last, question it's noon draft. Day The. Titans they

1023
00:42:47,616 --> 00:42:48,936
Speaker 4: got to get ahold of, you, like what do we

1024
00:42:48,976 --> 00:42:50,976
Speaker 4: do with their number one? Pick who are we? Picking

1025
00:42:51,016 --> 00:42:52,856
Speaker 4: what are we? Doing what are you Telling Jim.

1026
00:42:52,656 --> 00:42:54,936
Speaker 5: Well Mike, boorganzi who was there In casey with, Us

1027
00:42:54,936 --> 00:42:57,176
Speaker 5: matt you might not remember he was cutting his, teeth

1028
00:42:57,176 --> 00:42:58,856
Speaker 5: that he was cutting his teeth as a young guy

1029
00:42:58,856 --> 00:43:02,936
Speaker 5: in That casey. ORGANIZATION i would, Say mikey trade out

1030
00:43:03,096 --> 00:43:06,776
Speaker 5: in stockpile, picks, Brother but that's WHAT i would. Do

1031
00:43:06,976 --> 00:43:08,976
Speaker 5: this is to, me this isn't a great draft to

1032
00:43:09,336 --> 00:43:11,136
Speaker 5: be up there way, high but it is what it.

1033
00:43:11,216 --> 00:43:13,176
Speaker 5: IS i, mean if you're The, titans you're stuck. There

1034
00:43:13,176 --> 00:43:15,736
Speaker 5: you either got to take a good. Player but, Again

1035
00:43:16,016 --> 00:43:18,136
Speaker 5: i've always been a big believer in trading down and

1036
00:43:18,176 --> 00:43:21,136
Speaker 5: accumulating picks because if you have faith in your scouting,

1037
00:43:21,176 --> 00:43:24,936
Speaker 5: staff you, know obviously it creates some margin for error.

1038
00:43:25,016 --> 00:43:27,056
Speaker 5: Too but you, know you put faith in your, scouts

1039
00:43:27,056 --> 00:43:29,056
Speaker 5: you're gonna you're gonna get good. PLAYERS i really feel

1040
00:43:29,056 --> 00:43:31,816
Speaker 5: like the meat of this draft is from you, know

1041
00:43:31,896 --> 00:43:35,016
Speaker 5: twenty to. SIXTY i think there's some really good players in.

1042
00:43:35,056 --> 00:43:37,815
Speaker 5: There so but if you had to stick right, there,

1043
00:43:37,936 --> 00:43:41,616
Speaker 5: man they need a quarterback going. FORWARD i don't know

1044
00:43:41,616 --> 00:43:42,936
Speaker 5: who that's gonna. BE i don't know if they want

1045
00:43:42,936 --> 00:43:44,456
Speaker 5: to go free. Agency you, know you could go To

1046
00:43:44,536 --> 00:43:46,976
Speaker 5: Sam darnold. Route there's there's some options out there in free.

1047
00:43:47,016 --> 00:43:50,976
Speaker 5: Agency but that's why they're paying my boy forgo the big.

1048
00:43:51,016 --> 00:43:53,096
Speaker 7: Bucks they'll have. To they'll have to figure that.

1049
00:43:53,176 --> 00:43:56,936
Speaker 4: Out, jim we appreciate the time love here in your

1050
00:43:56,976 --> 00:43:59,256
Speaker 4: analysis and and thanks for sharing that with. Us you

1051
00:43:59,256 --> 00:44:03,736
Speaker 4: guys can Follow Jim Jim naggie UNDERSCORE sb and we're

1052
00:44:03,776 --> 00:44:05,856
Speaker 4: looking forward the combine and then the. Drafts so, again

1053
00:44:05,976 --> 00:44:07,416
Speaker 4: thanks and good to spend some time with.

1054
00:44:07,456 --> 00:44:07,496
Speaker 6: You.

1055
00:44:07,576 --> 00:44:09,096
Speaker 7: Jim, YEAH i appreciate you having me on.

1056
00:44:09,176 --> 00:44:27,976
Speaker 4: Guys, So, Christine I'm. Bobby this Is Matt castle all.

1057
00:44:28,016 --> 00:44:28,136
Speaker 6: Right.

1058
00:44:28,216 --> 00:44:31,576
Speaker 4: Christine, hey we were looking at The instagram page and

1059
00:44:31,616 --> 00:44:34,176
Speaker 4: we saw your. Message this is A Matt castle jersey

1060
00:44:34,456 --> 00:44:36,976
Speaker 4: and we loved your, message and so we're gonna send

1061
00:44:37,016 --> 00:44:38,296
Speaker 4: this to. You we'd like for you to have. It

1062
00:44:38,536 --> 00:44:42,336
Speaker 4: shut up one hundred, percent she, said shut, up say nothing,

1063
00:44:42,336 --> 00:44:45,176
Speaker 4: Else say nothing. Else she wants to. Stage go, ahead

1064
00:44:45,536 --> 00:44:47,216
Speaker 4: and Then i'm gonna Have matt sign up for. You

1065
00:44:47,336 --> 00:44:48,616
Speaker 4: so who would you?

1066
00:44:48,736 --> 00:44:49,256
Speaker 6: Like it's?

1067
00:44:49,816 --> 00:44:51,936
Speaker 4: Awesome who would you like him to sign it?

1068
00:44:51,936 --> 00:44:52,816
Speaker 6: To to?

1069
00:44:52,936 --> 00:44:56,536
Speaker 3: Me? Perfect that's WHAT i love to.

1070
00:44:56,576 --> 00:44:58,416
Speaker 7: HEAR a Huge patriots.

1071
00:44:58,416 --> 00:45:01,776
Speaker 4: Fan So i'm, assuming since you're up in The, northeast

1072
00:45:01,816 --> 00:45:04,136
Speaker 4: you are a Massive patriots lifetime. Fan how did you

1073
00:45:04,176 --> 00:45:06,456
Speaker 4: become A patriots? Fan is just your? Family All patriots

1074
00:45:06,496 --> 00:45:07,256
Speaker 4: fans are just living?

1075
00:45:07,256 --> 00:45:07,536
Speaker 6: There?

1076
00:45:07,776 --> 00:45:12,576
Speaker 2: Yes, no my dad is an Unbelievable patriots. Fan so

1077
00:45:13,296 --> 00:45:15,096
Speaker 2: back like in the eighties WHEN i was, little he

1078
00:45:15,136 --> 00:45:18,016
Speaker 2: would take me to the Old Foxboro stadium and we'd

1079
00:45:18,016 --> 00:45:20,855
Speaker 2: get tickets On, sunday AND i mean they were super

1080
00:45:20,936 --> 00:45:23,376
Speaker 2: cheap because The patriots weren't good, then so we could

1081
00:45:23,416 --> 00:45:25,936
Speaker 2: go to the games and he'd take us Every. Sunday

1082
00:45:26,216 --> 00:45:28,976
Speaker 2: SO i just grew up a Giant patriots. Fan that's

1083
00:45:29,016 --> 00:45:30,896
Speaker 2: my whole life has revolved around The patriots.

1084
00:45:30,936 --> 00:45:33,335
Speaker 4: Schedule so After Tom, brady who was your second favorite?

1085
00:45:33,376 --> 00:45:34,296
Speaker 4: Quarterback Matt?

1086
00:45:34,336 --> 00:45:39,136
Speaker 3: Castle of, course that's it's Always Tom brady. First there's

1087
00:45:39,296 --> 00:45:43,016
Speaker 3: no guessing. There But Drake, may you've got to be

1088
00:45:43,096 --> 00:45:44,576
Speaker 3: pretty excited about the Young.

1089
00:45:44,616 --> 00:45:47,536
Speaker 7: Buck, yeah showed some pretty good stuff this past.

1090
00:45:47,576 --> 00:45:51,616
Speaker 2: Season hope we can get some good receivers for, him

1091
00:45:52,256 --> 00:45:53,176
Speaker 2: and there's definitely some.

1092
00:45:53,256 --> 00:45:55,816
Speaker 6: Promise and how about your Boy Mike grabel coming? BACK

1093
00:45:56,056 --> 00:45:56,736
Speaker 6: i Love Mike.

1094
00:45:56,856 --> 00:45:58,216
Speaker 2: Rabel, YES i think that was.

1095
00:45:58,296 --> 00:45:59,815
Speaker 4: Great did you ever have to See matt play?

1096
00:45:59,816 --> 00:46:00,815
Speaker 7: LIVE i did.

1097
00:46:00,816 --> 00:46:05,656
Speaker 2: Not my daughter's dad was at that first game When

1098
00:46:05,696 --> 00:46:08,096
Speaker 2: brady's knee when And matt came in to save the.

1099
00:46:08,136 --> 00:46:09,536
Speaker 3: Season oh was he one of.

1100
00:46:09,576 --> 00:46:10,536
Speaker 6: The ones that were going?

1101
00:46:10,736 --> 00:46:12,976
Speaker 3: No oh, god he.

1102
00:46:13,136 --> 00:46:16,016
Speaker 2: Was he vowed to never go to another game. Again

1103
00:46:16,096 --> 00:46:17,736
Speaker 2: but it turned out pretty. Good it wasn't so.

1104
00:46:17,816 --> 00:46:18,576
Speaker 3: Bad it's.

1105
00:46:18,616 --> 00:46:20,776
Speaker 4: Amazing we picture for a couple of. Reasons, one because

1106
00:46:20,816 --> 00:46:22,536
Speaker 4: you're obviously a, fan we could, tell but also you

1107
00:46:22,616 --> 00:46:25,496
Speaker 4: listen to the podcast because you Referenced matt Liking, Hoosiers

1108
00:46:25,816 --> 00:46:28,056
Speaker 4: so we really appreciate you listening to the. Show that

1109
00:46:28,096 --> 00:46:28,616
Speaker 4: means a lot to.

1110
00:46:28,696 --> 00:46:30,896
Speaker 3: Us thank you so. MUCH i appreciate.

1111
00:46:30,936 --> 00:46:32,736
Speaker 2: It hoosiers really is one of my favorite.

1112
00:46:32,736 --> 00:46:35,376
Speaker 4: Movies so we're gonna make sure to put you on

1113
00:46:35,376 --> 00:46:37,096
Speaker 4: hold and get your, information And i'm gonna Have matt

1114
00:46:37,096 --> 00:46:38,336
Speaker 4: signed this as soon as the show is, over and

1115
00:46:38,336 --> 00:46:39,296
Speaker 4: we're gonna mail it right up to.

1116
00:46:39,296 --> 00:46:41,856
Speaker 6: You, okay, Awesome thank you so. MUCH i appreciate.

1117
00:46:41,896 --> 00:46:45,336
Speaker 4: It are you hiding from work? Now are you off? Work,

1118
00:46:46,376 --> 00:46:47,176
Speaker 4: No i'm off.

1119
00:46:47,256 --> 00:46:50,336
Speaker 2: WORK i work in early, shift like four forty five

1120
00:46:50,416 --> 00:46:52,136
Speaker 2: to one, thirty So i'm already home for the.

1121
00:46:52,216 --> 00:46:53,296
Speaker 4: DAY i understand that.

1122
00:46:53,336 --> 00:46:54,336
Speaker 6: Pain that's What i'm talking.

1123
00:46:54,336 --> 00:46:56,776
Speaker 4: About, yeah you struggled getting to sleep at a time

1124
00:46:56,816 --> 00:46:57,816
Speaker 4: that makes, Sense.

1125
00:46:58,576 --> 00:46:59,096
Speaker 6: Yeah six.

1126
00:46:59,256 --> 00:47:00,456
Speaker 2: THIRTY i want to go to, bed.

1127
00:47:00,416 --> 00:47:02,336
Speaker 4: So SAY i get. It thank, You, christine and we're

1128
00:47:02,336 --> 00:47:03,856
Speaker 4: going to send this to, you and we appreciate you.

1129
00:47:03,896 --> 00:47:05,136
Speaker 2: Listening, Awesome thank you so.

1130
00:47:05,216 --> 00:47:08,736
Speaker 6: MUCH i have.

1131
00:47:08,896 --> 00:47:12,296
Speaker 4: Sports conspiracies and All i'd like for, you And i'll

1132
00:47:12,296 --> 00:47:15,016
Speaker 4: do the. Same we will say if we think it is,

1133
00:47:15,056 --> 00:47:18,056
Speaker 4: true could be, true or no chance, okay one of the.

1134
00:47:18,096 --> 00:47:20,816
Speaker 4: Three let's start with. This have you heard about the

1135
00:47:20,856 --> 00:47:24,416
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty FIVE Nba draft lottery and how supposedly it

1136
00:47:24,496 --> 00:47:27,056
Speaker 4: was rigged for The. Knicks, now the theory is THE

1137
00:47:27,176 --> 00:47:29,856
Speaker 4: nba Wanted Patrick ewing In New york to boost the

1138
00:47:29,936 --> 00:47:34,216
Speaker 4: league's biggest, market so they rig the. Lottery some, people

1139
00:47:34,456 --> 00:47:36,855
Speaker 4: And i've listened to quite a few podcasts and watched

1140
00:47:36,896 --> 00:47:39,616
Speaker 4: quite a few tiktoks on, this believe that The knicks

1141
00:47:39,776 --> 00:47:44,616
Speaker 4: envelope because he reached in you can grab an, envelope

1142
00:47:44,976 --> 00:47:49,856
Speaker 4: it was either bent or, frozen So David stern could

1143
00:47:49,896 --> 00:47:54,256
Speaker 4: easily identify. It so the question is do you think

1144
00:47:55,056 --> 00:47:57,856
Speaker 4: and you could inside this? Category this could not even

1145
00:47:57,896 --> 00:48:00,056
Speaker 4: be about this, specifically but it could be The Cleveland

1146
00:48:00,056 --> 00:48:03,376
Speaker 4: cavaliers when they Got lebron that's his. Home, yes it's

1147
00:48:03,456 --> 00:48:05,856
Speaker 4: kind of crazy that he ends up going To, now

1148
00:48:05,936 --> 00:48:07,856
Speaker 4: that's not a massive it's just the luck of the.

1149
00:48:07,936 --> 00:48:10,336
Speaker 4: Draw do you think it's the luck of the?

1150
00:48:10,416 --> 00:48:13,696
Speaker 6: Draw, NO i think that there's a possibility. THERE i

1151
00:48:13,736 --> 00:48:14,056
Speaker 6: put in the.

1152
00:48:14,056 --> 00:48:16,336
Speaker 3: POSSIBILITY i put it absolutely in the possibility.

1153
00:48:16,336 --> 00:48:18,736
Speaker 4: Category because you have a star Like Patrick ewing in

1154
00:48:18,856 --> 00:48:22,536
Speaker 4: the biggest, market that's automatic. Revenue if he's halfway.

1155
00:48:22,136 --> 00:48:22,536
Speaker 6: Good that's.

1156
00:48:22,536 --> 00:48:25,496
Speaker 3: Revenue that's eyes on the, sport that's all the different

1157
00:48:25,536 --> 00:48:27,936
Speaker 3: media attention that comes in the media outlets covering the.

1158
00:48:27,976 --> 00:48:31,576
Speaker 3: GAME i MEAN i, COULD i could say it's. Possibility

1159
00:48:31,616 --> 00:48:34,736
Speaker 3: i'll give it possibility to the frozen. Envelope, YEAH i

1160
00:48:34,736 --> 00:48:35,536
Speaker 3: was gonna, say that's pretty.

1161
00:48:35,536 --> 00:48:38,376
Speaker 4: Gang it's. Done that's brilliant because that looks no different

1162
00:48:38,576 --> 00:48:41,336
Speaker 4: and you're feeling. Around oh that's the cold, one got? It,

1163
00:48:41,976 --> 00:48:42,576
Speaker 4: yeah that's.

1164
00:48:42,616 --> 00:48:44,776
Speaker 6: Awesome there it. Is. There it Is.

1165
00:48:44,376 --> 00:48:48,096
Speaker 4: Michael jordan's secret suspension for. Gambling the theory Is Michael

1166
00:48:48,136 --> 00:48:51,335
Speaker 4: jordan didn't retire to play. Baseball, REALLY Nba Commissioner David

1167
00:48:51,336 --> 00:48:55,536
Speaker 4: stern secretly suspended him for. Gambling his sudden retirement came

1168
00:48:55,576 --> 00:48:58,616
Speaker 4: after rumors of gambling, problems and he conveniently returned right

1169
00:48:58,656 --> 00:49:02,456
Speaker 4: after his supposed suspension would have. Ended, Now jordan is

1170
00:49:02,496 --> 00:49:05,336
Speaker 4: a known. Gambler it's not even, illegal like dude loved

1171
00:49:05,496 --> 00:49:10,736
Speaker 4: to compete in any way, Possible and the conspiracy is

1172
00:49:10,776 --> 00:49:13,656
Speaker 4: that he had been. Caught another crazy conspiracy is that's

1173
00:49:13,656 --> 00:49:16,896
Speaker 4: why his dad was. KILLED i know that's super, conspiracy,

1174
00:49:17,256 --> 00:49:21,376
Speaker 4: right but That David stern didn't want to outwardly suspend,

1175
00:49:21,416 --> 00:49:23,336
Speaker 4: him but needed to suspend, him and that's what he

1176
00:49:23,376 --> 00:49:24,216
Speaker 4: decided to do with play.

1177
00:49:24,216 --> 00:49:27,016
Speaker 6: Baseball, Well i'm gonna go with.

1178
00:49:29,056 --> 00:49:32,056
Speaker 3: True to possibly, True Like i'm right on The i'm

1179
00:49:32,376 --> 00:49:32,856
Speaker 3: between the.

1180
00:49:32,856 --> 00:49:34,776
Speaker 6: Two i'm either, OR.

1181
00:49:35,136 --> 00:49:39,056
Speaker 3: I, mean because definitely an own gambler still gambles to

1182
00:49:39,096 --> 00:49:42,336
Speaker 3: this day is a legend in that, community like, golfing

1183
00:49:42,416 --> 00:49:45,016
Speaker 3: anything you're. Gambling we're even at The Kentucky. Derby one

1184
00:49:45,016 --> 00:49:48,176
Speaker 3: time we ran Into jordan at one of the events

1185
00:49:48,176 --> 00:49:52,696
Speaker 3: there and my offensive, Lineman Dan copen immediately, goes you

1186
00:49:52,696 --> 00:49:53,656
Speaker 3: want to play high?

1187
00:49:53,656 --> 00:49:56,776
Speaker 6: Card just awful. Whim he couldn't have been.

1188
00:49:56,816 --> 00:49:59,816
Speaker 3: Cool he's like absolutely thousand dollars of. HIM i was, like,

1189
00:50:00,256 --> 00:50:03,216
Speaker 3: OH i was, Like i'm, out go, ahead enjoy. That

1190
00:50:03,496 --> 00:50:06,616
Speaker 3: So i've seen it first, hand like it's just something

1191
00:50:06,656 --> 00:50:10,656
Speaker 3: that's in HIS. Dna So i'm hoping it's a possible

1192
00:50:10,696 --> 00:50:13,176
Speaker 3: true with you, know, opposite BUT i could see it

1193
00:50:13,216 --> 00:50:14,936
Speaker 3: going easily to be a truthful.

1194
00:50:14,936 --> 00:50:15,296
Speaker 6: Statement.

1195
00:50:15,416 --> 00:50:17,296
Speaker 4: Yeah we're like on a scale of one to, ten

1196
00:50:17,336 --> 00:50:19,096
Speaker 4: and one means not at all and ten means for.

1197
00:50:19,096 --> 00:50:20,016
Speaker 4: Sure i'm like an.

1198
00:50:20,016 --> 00:50:23,576
Speaker 6: Eight you, KNOW i might be in nine because of this.

1199
00:50:23,656 --> 00:50:27,016
Speaker 3: Reason who wants to go down To, Birmingham alabama and

1200
00:50:27,096 --> 00:50:30,576
Speaker 3: play DOUBLE a baseball The, barons and then gotta go

1201
00:50:30,576 --> 00:50:32,576
Speaker 3: play for The, barons and then you gotta be in

1202
00:50:32,616 --> 00:50:35,856
Speaker 3: the bus leagues like my brother played For Birmingham. Alabama

1203
00:50:35,896 --> 00:50:39,855
Speaker 3: i've been, there AND i understand what minor league baseball looks.

1204
00:50:39,896 --> 00:50:43,176
Speaker 3: Like you go from the pinnacle of the greatest heights

1205
00:50:43,176 --> 00:50:44,896
Speaker 3: that you could possibly be in a legend in your

1206
00:50:44,936 --> 00:50:46,976
Speaker 3: sport and be, like now you know, What i'm gonna

1207
00:50:47,016 --> 00:50:50,736
Speaker 3: go sign baseball's for fans and play in the minor

1208
00:50:50,816 --> 00:50:53,656
Speaker 3: leagues right after three, championships right after three, championships when

1209
00:50:53,696 --> 00:50:54,496
Speaker 3: you're still in your.

1210
00:50:54,496 --> 00:50:56,376
Speaker 4: Prime, yes because it came back and won three more.

1211
00:50:56,496 --> 00:50:57,936
Speaker 4: Exactly that's how in his prime he.

1212
00:50:58,136 --> 00:51:00,136
Speaker 6: Was So i'm, going you know, What i'm going with

1213
00:51:00,176 --> 00:51:01,336
Speaker 6: a yes on that i'd like to.

1214
00:51:01,336 --> 00:51:02,936
Speaker 4: Say and we have no, idea we have no inside

1215
00:51:02,976 --> 00:51:04,576
Speaker 4: information on any of, these OR i wouldn't bring them.

1216
00:51:04,656 --> 00:51:07,416
Speaker 4: Up The Black sox Scandal Major League baseball in nineteen

1217
00:51:07,496 --> 00:51:10,936
Speaker 4: nineteen H Chicago White sox players intentionally through The World

1218
00:51:10,976 --> 00:51:14,536
Speaker 4: series in exchange for money from. Gamblers and it's not

1219
00:51:14,656 --> 00:51:16,576
Speaker 4: so much that that, happened.

1220
00:51:16,656 --> 00:51:18,216
Speaker 6: But it did, happen didn't.

1221
00:51:18,216 --> 00:51:23,536
Speaker 4: It, Yes Shoeless joe was supposedly not. Involved he played

1222
00:51:23,536 --> 00:51:26,536
Speaker 4: out of his, mind batted over three, hundred played his face.

1223
00:51:26,536 --> 00:51:29,976
Speaker 4: Off he said he was. Innocent other people said he was,

1224
00:51:30,056 --> 00:51:33,936
Speaker 4: innocent but he was still. Banned so you Think Shoeless

1225
00:51:34,016 --> 00:51:34,376
Speaker 4: joe was.

1226
00:51:34,416 --> 00:51:37,496
Speaker 3: Involved, no not if you bat three hundred and during

1227
00:51:37,536 --> 00:51:39,536
Speaker 3: The World series and you ball out of your, mind

1228
00:51:39,616 --> 00:51:41,976
Speaker 3: unless they are, like, hey look we're going to blow this,

1229
00:51:42,056 --> 00:51:45,176
Speaker 3: game put money on the other, team but you go

1230
00:51:45,256 --> 00:51:47,815
Speaker 3: and do your thing because it'll look make us look less.

1231
00:51:47,856 --> 00:51:51,336
Speaker 4: Guilty but now you're next leveling. It now you're first enveloping.

1232
00:51:51,376 --> 00:51:54,616
Speaker 3: It thank you very. Much, well this is all conspiracy theory.

1233
00:51:54,616 --> 00:51:57,296
Speaker 3: Anyway so if you go out there and ball out

1234
00:51:57,296 --> 00:51:59,776
Speaker 3: of your mind and don't show any weaknesses in your

1235
00:51:59,816 --> 00:52:03,696
Speaker 3: game or uncharacteristic peret, PLAY i believe.

1236
00:52:03,736 --> 00:52:08,656
Speaker 4: Him, YEAH i believe them. Too anything, more, well It's

1237
00:52:08,936 --> 00:52:12,016
Speaker 4: i'm just looking at his stats, here because.

1238
00:52:11,776 --> 00:52:13,136
Speaker 6: This is his stats for The World.

1239
00:52:13,136 --> 00:52:17,856
Speaker 4: Series, yes three seventy five batting, average twelve, hits which

1240
00:52:18,136 --> 00:52:20,176
Speaker 4: was A World series record at the, time no errors

1241
00:52:20,176 --> 00:52:22,776
Speaker 4: in the, field, hit the only home run of the entire.

1242
00:52:22,896 --> 00:52:26,496
Speaker 4: Series he claimed he never took. Money he later said

1243
00:52:26,496 --> 00:52:30,176
Speaker 4: gamblers offered him five thousand, dollars which now is probably

1244
00:52:30,216 --> 00:52:31,456
Speaker 4: like one hundred thousand.

1245
00:52:31,496 --> 00:52:33,736
Speaker 6: Dollars, right he was.

1246
00:52:33,976 --> 00:52:36,456
Speaker 4: Illiterate some believe he didn't fully understand what was happening

1247
00:52:36,456 --> 00:52:38,416
Speaker 4: when he quote, confessed like they coerced him into a

1248
00:52:38,456 --> 00:52:41,616
Speaker 4: confession and the jury found him not, guilty BUT mlb

1249
00:52:41,736 --> 00:52:42,256
Speaker 4: still banned.

1250
00:52:42,296 --> 00:52:43,416
Speaker 6: Him that's messed.

1251
00:52:43,456 --> 00:52:45,096
Speaker 4: Up, yeah that's missed, up supecially.

1252
00:52:44,816 --> 00:52:47,096
Speaker 3: He couldn't, read especially if he couldn't Any, yeah and

1253
00:52:47,096 --> 00:52:49,376
Speaker 3: then you got a lawyer sitting there using really big,

1254
00:52:49,416 --> 00:52:50,256
Speaker 3: words and you're, like.

1255
00:52:50,376 --> 00:52:52,096
Speaker 4: Uh that's WHEN i bought a. House that's WHAT i

1256
00:52:52,656 --> 00:52:54,816
Speaker 4: didn't know what was happening to sign papers yet.

1257
00:52:54,856 --> 00:52:57,256
Speaker 3: Exactly when they put all of the all of it and,

1258
00:52:57,256 --> 00:53:00,696
Speaker 3: Writing you're sitting, THERE i don't understand any of those, words.

1259
00:53:00,536 --> 00:53:02,096
Speaker 4: And at some point you just go Just i'll just sign.

1260
00:53:02,136 --> 00:53:05,056
Speaker 6: Whatever, YEAH i AM i liable for? Anything is it

1261
00:53:05,096 --> 00:53:05,656
Speaker 6: actually in my?

1262
00:53:05,696 --> 00:53:09,896
Speaker 4: House the two thousand and TWO Nba Western Conference finals were. Rigged,

1263
00:53:10,296 --> 00:53:13,096
Speaker 4: now that's The the theory is THE nba Manipulated game

1264
00:53:13,136 --> 00:53:15,536
Speaker 4: six helped The lakers beat The kings in advanced to the.

1265
00:53:15,576 --> 00:53:18,536
Speaker 4: Finals the evidence is The lakers shot twenty seven free

1266
00:53:18,536 --> 00:53:21,576
Speaker 4: throws in the fourth quarter, alone and former Ref Tim

1267
00:53:21,616 --> 00:53:24,816
Speaker 4: donny later claimed the game was. FIXED i don't think

1268
00:53:24,856 --> 00:53:27,016
Speaker 4: he was the one running the game, though but he's

1269
00:53:27,016 --> 00:53:28,576
Speaker 4: the one that got in. Trouble you may see if

1270
00:53:28,616 --> 00:53:30,296
Speaker 4: he was actually on that. GAME i don't think he.

1271
00:53:30,536 --> 00:53:33,336
Speaker 4: Was but, yeah this was crazy because they came back

1272
00:53:33,336 --> 00:53:37,056
Speaker 4: in one game. Seven i've watched documentary is type stuff on.

1273
00:53:37,096 --> 00:53:40,776
Speaker 3: This, man what's your thought on. THAT i think for

1274
00:53:40,816 --> 00:53:43,896
Speaker 3: SURE i would go at. NINE i THINK i don't know.

1275
00:53:43,896 --> 00:53:45,256
Speaker 3: How it wasn't no WAY i.

1276
00:53:45,296 --> 00:53:48,056
Speaker 6: WAS i was A lakers, fan, Dude lakers don't cheat Like.

1277
00:53:48,216 --> 00:53:52,776
Speaker 4: Sacramento the fact That sacramento they were going to go

1278
00:53:52,856 --> 00:53:55,856
Speaker 4: into The Tim duncan to the finals over The Laker

1279
00:53:56,016 --> 00:53:56,976
Speaker 4: No Vlatti.

1280
00:53:57,056 --> 00:54:02,376
Speaker 3: Divotti, YEAH i, mean but at the same, time wasn't

1281
00:54:02,416 --> 00:54:06,056
Speaker 3: that the hack of shack type the year where he

1282
00:54:06,176 --> 00:54:10,136
Speaker 3: had every time that they got, down teams were just hack,

1283
00:54:10,256 --> 00:54:12,456
Speaker 3: shacks so he'd have to shoot free throws because he was.

1284
00:54:12,536 --> 00:54:14,336
Speaker 4: Not this was so it was.

1285
00:54:14,376 --> 00:54:16,776
Speaker 3: Different, Yeah i'm gonna have to go back and watch

1286
00:54:16,816 --> 00:54:18,936
Speaker 3: the game BECAUSE i mean it was a long time.

1287
00:54:18,936 --> 00:54:20,096
Speaker 6: Ago let's be, Honest.

1288
00:54:20,536 --> 00:54:21,496
Speaker 4: I've never heard of this. One this.

1289
00:54:21,536 --> 00:54:21,816
Speaker 6: One just.

1290
00:54:21,856 --> 00:54:24,176
Speaker 4: Funny it was twenty, twelve so it wasn't like nineteen, ten,

1291
00:54:24,336 --> 00:54:28,016
Speaker 4: right so twenty twelve The olympic badminton match fixing. Scandal

1292
00:54:29,176 --> 00:54:32,416
Speaker 4: several teams intentionally lost matches in group play to get

1293
00:54:32,416 --> 00:54:37,096
Speaker 4: easier matchups in later. Rounds the teams barely tried serving

1294
00:54:37,096 --> 00:54:39,576
Speaker 4: into the net on purpose and refusing to hit. Rallies

1295
00:54:39,816 --> 00:54:43,256
Speaker 4: they were eventually disqualified Front Sports Flight. Conduct that feels

1296
00:54:43,256 --> 00:54:44,296
Speaker 4: like that was it's just all right.

1297
00:54:44,296 --> 00:54:47,256
Speaker 3: There, yeah it's pretty self explanatory right, there because have

1298
00:54:47,336 --> 00:54:50,696
Speaker 3: you seen those players play badminton in The. Olympics they're.

1299
00:54:50,736 --> 00:54:53,456
Speaker 3: Incredible it is, dark it's like you playing. Pickleball, no,

1300
00:54:53,776 --> 00:54:56,256
Speaker 3: oh don't you light to? Me don't you light to?

1301
00:54:56,296 --> 00:54:59,896
Speaker 3: Me but they don't, miss, right it's exceptional. Play so

1302
00:54:59,896 --> 00:55:01,576
Speaker 3: if they're hitting the ball in the net and making

1303
00:55:01,976 --> 00:55:05,536
Speaker 3: not even force and, rallies, YES i would agree with that.

1304
00:55:05,576 --> 00:55:08,536
Speaker 6: Statement, well they got kicked out, too right they. Did, Yeah, well.

1305
00:55:08,336 --> 00:55:11,656
Speaker 4: Speaking of, PICKLEBALL i put up a little video because

1306
00:55:11,656 --> 00:55:13,776
Speaker 4: if weather finally got good, here so, good and SO

1307
00:55:13,816 --> 00:55:15,576
Speaker 4: i have some of those metaglasses THAT i was wearing

1308
00:55:15,616 --> 00:55:18,616
Speaker 4: and they have the cameras in SO i was just

1309
00:55:18,656 --> 00:55:20,256
Speaker 4: testing them. Out and SO i was hitting some balls

1310
00:55:20,256 --> 00:55:22,256
Speaker 4: with a buddy of mine AND i posted it On

1311
00:55:22,296 --> 00:55:25,496
Speaker 4: twitter AND i was, like, hey weather's good playing. Pickleball

1312
00:55:25,536 --> 00:55:27,416
Speaker 4: so some dude gets under and writes a. Comment he's,

1313
00:55:27,456 --> 00:55:30,096
Speaker 4: like you. Suck anybody good would have been charging the.

1314
00:55:30,136 --> 00:55:35,016
Speaker 4: Net now why DO i care that somebody is trolling

1315
00:55:35,136 --> 00:55:38,256
Speaker 4: me about a VIDEO i? Posted SO i, Said i'll

1316
00:55:38,256 --> 00:55:41,456
Speaker 4: play for a thousand. Bucks, yes where do you? Live

1317
00:55:41,536 --> 00:55:43,176
Speaker 4: like you take the thousand bucks you put on an,

1318
00:55:43,176 --> 00:55:44,936
Speaker 4: Account i'll do the same. Thing we'll put an account

1319
00:55:45,016 --> 00:55:47,176
Speaker 4: And i'll come to you AND i will play you

1320
00:55:47,176 --> 00:55:47,656
Speaker 4: for a thousand.

1321
00:55:47,696 --> 00:55:51,336
Speaker 3: Dollars, now this is where social media gets great when

1322
00:55:51,376 --> 00:55:55,496
Speaker 3: you engage fans like this and you literally said let's.

1323
00:55:55,536 --> 00:55:56,616
Speaker 6: Play, yeah and what do you?

1324
00:55:56,656 --> 00:55:59,536
Speaker 4: Say so he didn't respond for a long, time, okay

1325
00:56:00,376 --> 00:56:03,736
Speaker 4: and then he finally Said i'll play. You and he

1326
00:56:03,776 --> 00:56:05,936
Speaker 4: lives In ohio and he, says my home court is

1327
00:56:05,936 --> 00:56:08,496
Speaker 4: something something lifetime. Fitness BUT i went back again AND i, said,

1328
00:56:08,656 --> 00:56:11,616
Speaker 4: No i'm not going to just show up and be,

1329
00:56:11,696 --> 00:56:13,416
Speaker 4: like hey, Guy i'm here to play you for no.

1330
00:56:13,496 --> 00:56:15,176
Speaker 4: Reason if you're as good as you say.

1331
00:56:15,016 --> 00:56:16,496
Speaker 6: You, are put your money where your mouth.

1332
00:56:16,576 --> 00:56:19,696
Speaker 4: Is thousand dollars put an, account because that's going to

1333
00:56:19,776 --> 00:56:22,296
Speaker 4: pay my travel cost to get up there with me

1334
00:56:22,416 --> 00:56:23,816
Speaker 4: And reed and whomever to shoot this.

1335
00:56:23,816 --> 00:56:25,536
Speaker 6: Thing they're definitely shooting it for.

1336
00:56:25,656 --> 00:56:28,176
Speaker 3: Sure and you, KNOW i commentate over, absolutely AND i

1337
00:56:28,216 --> 00:56:28,936
Speaker 3: have no idea what the.

1338
00:56:29,056 --> 00:56:30,096
Speaker 6: Older he's in the.

1339
00:56:30,096 --> 00:56:32,136
Speaker 3: Box he's in the box. AGAIN i know THAT.

1340
00:56:32,056 --> 00:56:34,216
Speaker 4: I might even lose because the guy claims he was

1341
00:56:34,256 --> 00:56:37,376
Speaker 4: a four YEAR d one athlete tennis, PLAYER i think.

1342
00:56:37,456 --> 00:56:40,096
Speaker 6: Wrestler now that doesn't, count but different movement.

1343
00:56:40,136 --> 00:56:42,736
Speaker 3: PATTERNS i am not. Scared is the? Thing different move

1344
00:56:43,736 --> 00:56:45,696
Speaker 3: then wrestling match AFTER i am.

1345
00:56:45,736 --> 00:56:49,616
Speaker 4: Scared now now THAT i am, Scared i'm going over

1346
00:56:49,656 --> 00:56:52,336
Speaker 4: to my. Account and by the, way On instagram And

1347
00:56:52,376 --> 00:56:55,016
Speaker 4: twitter it's Mister Bobby. Bones But i'm going back over

1348
00:56:55,016 --> 00:56:58,256
Speaker 4: to this. Guy i'm telling you right now he might

1349
00:56:58,256 --> 00:57:01,456
Speaker 4: have deleted all of it.

1350
00:57:01,496 --> 00:57:03,776
Speaker 6: THINGS i thought this was going to come to. FRUITION

1351
00:57:04,016 --> 00:57:04,416
Speaker 6: i was looking.

1352
00:57:04,496 --> 00:57:06,216
Speaker 3: YESTERDAY i didn't find him.

1353
00:57:05,976 --> 00:57:08,496
Speaker 4: Really, okay so somebody.

1354
00:57:09,576 --> 00:57:11,616
Speaker 6: It was my it was my, burner it was my burner.

1355
00:57:11,696 --> 00:57:14,016
Speaker 4: ACCOUNT a different guy. Deleted so the first guy that

1356
00:57:14,096 --> 00:57:16,696
Speaker 4: talked crap to, ME i talked crap. BACK i, said

1357
00:57:16,696 --> 00:57:19,376
Speaker 4: you ain't. Serious and the second guy, said any good,

1358
00:57:19,416 --> 00:57:20,736
Speaker 4: player this is the guy would come up to the

1359
00:57:20,736 --> 00:57:22,616
Speaker 4: net and singles and pick you. Apart find some real.

1360
00:57:22,656 --> 00:57:24,576
Speaker 4: Competition by the, WAY i didn't post. IT i was

1361
00:57:24,696 --> 00:57:25,776
Speaker 4: even playing a, game.

1362
00:57:25,816 --> 00:57:26,536
Speaker 6: RIGHT i was.

1363
00:57:26,616 --> 00:57:29,296
Speaker 4: RALLYING i, said you talk a. Lot by looking at your,

1364
00:57:29,296 --> 00:57:31,776
Speaker 4: pictures you don't look athletic at. ALL i didn't even look.

1365
00:57:31,776 --> 00:57:33,216
Speaker 4: IT i didn't even go to his. ACCOUNT i just wrote.

1366
00:57:33,216 --> 00:57:34,656
Speaker 4: THAT i didn't go to his. ACCOUNT i just wrote that.

1367
00:57:34,696 --> 00:57:36,696
Speaker 4: Blind and so he SAID i was A d one

1368
00:57:36,696 --> 00:57:38,416
Speaker 4: athlete for four. Years AND i Said i'll play, you

1369
00:57:39,896 --> 00:57:43,776
Speaker 4: and THEN i Said i'm. In oh, great he, SAYS

1370
00:57:44,056 --> 00:57:46,336
Speaker 4: i just got, this send me your email, address all draft,

1371
00:57:46,416 --> 00:57:49,256
Speaker 4: up escrow. Agreement now we're talking best of three games

1372
00:57:49,416 --> 00:57:51,616
Speaker 4: up to fifteen, points straight, up best of three games

1373
00:57:51,696 --> 00:57:52,216
Speaker 4: up to fifteen.

1374
00:57:52,256 --> 00:57:54,376
Speaker 6: Points don't you normally played it? ELEVEN i don't.

1375
00:57:54,416 --> 00:57:57,096
Speaker 3: CARE i played one. Hundred, Yeah so all we need

1376
00:57:57,136 --> 00:57:58,536
Speaker 3: is forty five points for you to, win.

1377
00:57:59,536 --> 00:58:03,176
Speaker 4: Not only that, many thirty two out of three best of.

1378
00:58:03,256 --> 00:58:04,176
Speaker 6: Thirty oh, yeah you're.

1379
00:58:04,216 --> 00:58:06,736
Speaker 4: GOOD i can win the first. Two i'm not claiming

1380
00:58:07,416 --> 00:58:09,736
Speaker 4: That i'm the best or THAT i will even for

1381
00:58:09,776 --> 00:58:11,616
Speaker 4: sure beat this. PERSON i just want to challenge people

1382
00:58:11,616 --> 00:58:13,696
Speaker 4: that come out of nowhere for no reason to talk.

1383
00:58:13,736 --> 00:58:14,896
Speaker 6: GARBAGE i think.

1384
00:58:14,816 --> 00:58:16,936
Speaker 3: You're you're pretty confident in your pickleball game because you

1385
00:58:17,016 --> 00:58:18,296
Speaker 3: chance Challenge Andy.

1386
00:58:18,376 --> 00:58:20,696
Speaker 4: Roddick that's one of my best FRIENDS i.

1387
00:58:20,776 --> 00:58:22,976
Speaker 3: Know but it's still you were confident enough to where

1388
00:58:22,976 --> 00:58:24,536
Speaker 3: you felt, like, HEY i could compete with.

1389
00:58:24,576 --> 00:58:26,976
Speaker 4: YOU i did not tell HIM i could beat. HIM i,

1390
00:58:26,976 --> 00:58:28,656
Speaker 4: said do. YOU i asked him you felt LIKE i could?

1391
00:58:28,656 --> 00:58:29,336
Speaker 4: COMPETE i THINK i.

1392
00:58:29,336 --> 00:58:30,416
Speaker 6: Compete, yeah, yeah that's What i'm.

1393
00:58:30,416 --> 00:58:32,976
Speaker 4: Saying, Okay i'm GLAD i got this little response.

1394
00:58:32,976 --> 00:58:34,016
Speaker 6: Here let's go maybe.

1395
00:58:34,216 --> 00:58:36,376
Speaker 4: Good it was hard to find it. Though twitter kind

1396
00:58:36,416 --> 00:58:38,856
Speaker 4: of sucks. Now it was my. Favorite it kind of sucks,

1397
00:58:38,856 --> 00:58:41,016
Speaker 4: now but, anyway you can follow us over. There yours

1398
00:58:41,056 --> 00:58:43,376
Speaker 4: is like m Underscore. Castle what it?

1399
00:58:43,456 --> 00:58:44,616
Speaker 6: IS i? Think so it's.

1400
00:58:44,656 --> 00:58:47,256
Speaker 4: You you're all the same because On instagram it's kind of.

1401
00:58:47,256 --> 00:58:50,256
Speaker 4: Hard it's like m Underscore, castle smiley, face smiley get.

1402
00:58:50,296 --> 00:58:52,656
Speaker 3: Out you, KNOW i just got social media four, Years

1403
00:58:53,016 --> 00:58:53,696
Speaker 3: so bear with.

1404
00:58:53,696 --> 00:59:10,816
Speaker 4: Me, OKAY i gotta get on. THAT i do want

1405
00:59:10,816 --> 00:59:12,136
Speaker 4: to do, this AND i think this would be fun

1406
00:59:12,136 --> 00:59:15,256
Speaker 4: for me and for the listeners of. This matt's actually

1407
00:59:15,256 --> 00:59:18,736
Speaker 4: going to teach us something as far as football, knowledge

1408
00:59:18,776 --> 00:59:20,776
Speaker 4: because sometimes we hear things and we don't really know

1409
00:59:20,776 --> 00:59:22,496
Speaker 4: what they mean as far as like what quarterback they're

1410
00:59:22,496 --> 00:59:25,016
Speaker 4: saying and when they're describing. Formations so would you teach

1411
00:59:25,056 --> 00:59:26,296
Speaker 4: us a couple of things today before we?

1412
00:59:26,336 --> 00:59:28,416
Speaker 6: Go, okay do you want to start on the offense

1413
00:59:28,496 --> 00:59:31,416
Speaker 6: or defensive? Side let's go. Offense, okay so offensive side

1414
00:59:31,416 --> 00:59:31,576
Speaker 6: of the.

1415
00:59:31,616 --> 00:59:35,376
Speaker 3: BALL a lot of times it's based on the terminology

1416
00:59:35,416 --> 00:59:35,696
Speaker 3: that you're.

1417
00:59:35,736 --> 00:59:38,296
Speaker 6: In so you could call a formation two by.

1418
00:59:38,336 --> 00:59:40,976
Speaker 3: Two you could call it, doubles which is the easiest

1419
00:59:41,016 --> 00:59:43,696
Speaker 3: way of saying two by. Two but in A New

1420
00:59:43,736 --> 00:59:48,696
Speaker 3: England patriots, lingo it's zero out. Slot the slot describes

1421
00:59:48,736 --> 00:59:51,536
Speaker 3: THE z going to the. Slot the out describes THE.

1422
00:59:51,616 --> 00:59:53,896
Speaker 3: F so if you take your base, Formation.

1423
00:59:53,616 --> 00:59:56,616
Speaker 4: I'm lost, already boy telling we got a simple what

1424
00:59:56,656 --> 00:59:57,656
Speaker 4: we gotta even simplify it?

1425
00:59:57,656 --> 00:59:58,296
Speaker 6: More, okay it was.

1426
00:59:58,336 --> 01:00:00,336
Speaker 4: Simplified so what would be the base Formation?

1427
01:00:00,976 --> 01:00:03,976
Speaker 3: England so you take, zero which is AN i formation

1428
01:00:04,216 --> 01:00:06,736
Speaker 3: old school full, back tailback right behind.

1429
01:00:06,496 --> 01:00:07,936
Speaker 6: Them one tight, end two wide.

1430
01:00:07,976 --> 01:00:12,416
Speaker 3: Receivers Zero now everything after that it changes the. Formation

1431
01:00:12,496 --> 01:00:15,536
Speaker 3: so if you said zero on that really means you

1432
01:00:15,536 --> 01:00:17,296
Speaker 3: have a tight end in the, game and now it's

1433
01:00:17,776 --> 01:00:20,656
Speaker 3: two by, two but with two tight ends. Attached zero, on,

1434
01:00:21,536 --> 01:00:24,896
Speaker 3: okay zero, Out all of a, sudden it's really a

1435
01:00:24,936 --> 01:00:27,576
Speaker 3: three by one, formation but you now have three wide receiver.

1436
01:00:27,696 --> 01:00:30,696
Speaker 3: Set look WHEN i first got, there my mind was

1437
01:00:30,736 --> 01:00:32,296
Speaker 3: blown with how they called their.

1438
01:00:32,296 --> 01:00:36,336
Speaker 6: Formations it wasn't something like. Trips, right it's zero out zero.

1439
01:00:36,496 --> 01:00:39,616
Speaker 3: Hoole, okay then let's just boil it down to. Zero

1440
01:00:39,656 --> 01:00:41,536
Speaker 3: when you say zero, out what the crap does that?

1441
01:00:41,616 --> 01:00:42,576
Speaker 6: Mean zero?

1442
01:00:42,616 --> 01:00:47,176
Speaker 3: Out now puts it's now you're in personnel grouping, eleven

1443
01:00:47,376 --> 01:00:48,696
Speaker 3: which means you have three wide.

1444
01:00:48,736 --> 01:00:51,696
Speaker 6: Receivers that out tells the f he's all the way.

1445
01:00:51,736 --> 01:00:57,016
Speaker 4: Outside does the eleven personnel mean one running, back one tight?

1446
01:00:57,136 --> 01:01:01,176
Speaker 3: End so that's probably an easier conversation because describing formations

1447
01:01:01,216 --> 01:01:04,176
Speaker 3: in very complex systems is going to be a little

1448
01:01:04,176 --> 01:01:07,536
Speaker 3: bit overwhelming for any. List so when you talk about,

1449
01:01:07,616 --> 01:01:09,816
Speaker 3: personnel which is the first thing that we, mentioned when

1450
01:01:09,856 --> 01:01:13,856
Speaker 3: you come in the, huddle so you start with say

1451
01:01:13,936 --> 01:01:16,656
Speaker 3: it's eleven, personnel that means you have one running, back

1452
01:01:16,736 --> 01:01:18,936
Speaker 3: one tight, end three wide. Receivers if you were to

1453
01:01:18,976 --> 01:01:22,456
Speaker 3: say ten, personnel that means one running, back no tight,

1454
01:01:22,536 --> 01:01:27,376
Speaker 3: ends four wide. Receivers so then twelve. Personnel you'd have

1455
01:01:27,616 --> 01:01:28,496
Speaker 3: one running.

1456
01:01:28,256 --> 01:01:31,016
Speaker 4: Back two tight, ends which would just leave two wide, receivers,

1457
01:01:31,096 --> 01:01:32,896
Speaker 4: right because you can only have so many players.

1458
01:01:32,976 --> 01:01:35,096
Speaker 3: Exactly now we're in goal. Line, hey we're going goal line,

1459
01:01:35,136 --> 01:01:37,416
Speaker 3: here we're in twenty three, personnel.

1460
01:01:37,256 --> 01:01:40,216
Speaker 4: Two running backs in three tight.

1461
01:01:40,336 --> 01:01:40,496
Speaker 6: Ends.

1462
01:01:40,576 --> 01:01:43,296
Speaker 3: Boom so you're in a condensed formation at the goal.

1463
01:01:43,336 --> 01:01:45,096
Speaker 3: Line you're trying to jam it. In so you bring

1464
01:01:45,096 --> 01:01:47,856
Speaker 3: in three tight. Ends your heavy personnel. Set so some

1465
01:01:47,896 --> 01:01:50,136
Speaker 3: people will call it, heavy but most people use. Numbers

1466
01:01:50,576 --> 01:01:52,976
Speaker 3: it's heavy personnel. Set and so you're going to have

1467
01:01:53,016 --> 01:01:54,936
Speaker 3: three tight. Ends two of them attach the line of

1468
01:01:54,936 --> 01:01:56,776
Speaker 3: scrimmage with a full back in the. Backfield so you

1469
01:01:56,856 --> 01:01:58,136
Speaker 3: got the two, backs, Right.

1470
01:01:58,016 --> 01:02:01,416
Speaker 4: So it starts, backs backs and tight, ends and then

1471
01:02:01,456 --> 01:02:06,216
Speaker 4: whatever's left is the, receivers, Right and so in total there's.

1472
01:02:06,416 --> 01:02:11,376
Speaker 3: Five there's probably more than. That we've got thirteen. Personnel

1473
01:02:11,776 --> 01:02:12,736
Speaker 3: so you got.

1474
01:02:12,576 --> 01:02:15,856
Speaker 4: One running, back three tight. Ends but then how many

1475
01:02:15,856 --> 01:02:18,656
Speaker 4: wide receivers? One, okay so that would mean that the answer.

1476
01:02:18,736 --> 01:02:20,896
Speaker 4: Six then, yep, okay so there's.

1477
01:02:20,776 --> 01:02:21,816
Speaker 3: There's seem more than. That.

1478
01:02:21,856 --> 01:02:22,816
Speaker 6: Bro, well we didn't mention.

1479
01:02:22,856 --> 01:02:24,616
Speaker 4: It so there's a quarterback and then five we.

1480
01:02:24,576 --> 01:02:27,176
Speaker 6: Say twenty one. Personnel, yeah, okay we, did so.

1481
01:02:27,336 --> 01:02:32,176
Speaker 4: THEN i think by deduction there's six total spots because

1482
01:02:32,256 --> 01:02:35,496
Speaker 4: look at, quarterback not part of. It, center two, guards two.

1483
01:02:35,536 --> 01:02:36,856
Speaker 6: Tackles, yeah that's self.

1484
01:02:36,856 --> 01:02:41,336
Speaker 3: Explanatory so so you're always describing those numbers tell you

1485
01:02:41,376 --> 01:02:45,296
Speaker 3: exactly what personnel group you're in based on the play

1486
01:02:45,296 --> 01:02:48,616
Speaker 3: that you. Call so you don't want certain personnel groups.

1487
01:02:48,656 --> 01:02:50,536
Speaker 3: In so IF i call twenty one, personnel that's two,

1488
01:02:50,536 --> 01:02:52,656
Speaker 3: backs one tight, end and all of a sudden a

1489
01:02:52,736 --> 01:02:54,656
Speaker 3: call comes in and it's should.

1490
01:02:54,416 --> 01:02:56,416
Speaker 6: Be a three wide receiver, Set well you got to call.

1491
01:02:56,456 --> 01:02:59,616
Speaker 3: Timeout and that's happened before where we, thought all of

1492
01:02:59,656 --> 01:03:01,856
Speaker 3: a sudden they send in the wrong personnel, group they

1493
01:03:01,856 --> 01:03:03,536
Speaker 3: didn't communicate, it and then all of a sudden you're

1494
01:03:03,576 --> 01:03:05,016
Speaker 3: sitting there going, Wait i've got to take a time.

1495
01:03:05,056 --> 01:03:08,256
Speaker 3: Out lot of times you'll have that or the play

1496
01:03:08,296 --> 01:03:10,256
Speaker 3: clock shut off in a critical moment and you take

1497
01:03:10,296 --> 01:03:14,176
Speaker 3: a time out as a. Quarterback, so but personnel sets

1498
01:03:14,616 --> 01:03:19,336
Speaker 3: are really important because it really dictates terms for what

1499
01:03:19,416 --> 01:03:20,456
Speaker 3: play call we're going to go to.

1500
01:03:20,576 --> 01:03:23,616
Speaker 4: Next, okay so we've started. FUNDAMENTALS i like, This so

1501
01:03:23,696 --> 01:03:26,816
Speaker 4: let's just say it's twenty one personnel from What i've

1502
01:03:26,856 --> 01:03:29,696
Speaker 4: learned here two running, backs one tight. End, right that

1503
01:03:29,736 --> 01:03:33,256
Speaker 4: means they're going to be two, receivers two.

1504
01:03:33,296 --> 01:03:35,256
Speaker 3: Receivers, right you're going to have your z ER. X.

1505
01:03:35,176 --> 01:03:38,216
Speaker 4: Okay so now you've got to put a. Receiver now

1506
01:03:38,296 --> 01:03:40,656
Speaker 4: is the next language what the receivers are going to

1507
01:03:40,696 --> 01:03:41,536
Speaker 4: do and where they're going.

1508
01:03:41,456 --> 01:03:44,616
Speaker 3: To, be, Right so you could call you could say zero.

1509
01:03:44,696 --> 01:03:47,536
Speaker 3: Slot that slot tells THAT z he's going to the.

1510
01:03:47,576 --> 01:03:49,496
Speaker 3: Slot so now you've got two ride receivers on one,

1511
01:03:49,536 --> 01:03:52,616
Speaker 3: Side you've got the one tight end attached over, here

1512
01:03:52,896 --> 01:03:54,496
Speaker 3: and then you've got two backs in the backfield and

1513
01:03:54,496 --> 01:03:56,256
Speaker 3: a lot of times you'll do that to remove a.

1514
01:03:56,256 --> 01:03:58,376
Speaker 3: Guy so if they're playing man, defense you're going to

1515
01:03:58,456 --> 01:04:01,176
Speaker 3: remove that. Cornerback now we've got better run. Fits when we,

1516
01:04:01,256 --> 01:04:05,976
Speaker 3: run say something like boss boss on strong safety. Back

1517
01:04:06,256 --> 01:04:09,256
Speaker 3: so the full back is on the strong. Safety that's

1518
01:04:09,296 --> 01:04:13,376
Speaker 3: what boss, Means bob fullback on the, backer which is

1519
01:04:13,416 --> 01:04:16,536
Speaker 3: usually the boss Is bob on the strong boss, right,

1520
01:04:16,656 --> 01:04:17,976
Speaker 3: exactly got, It So.

1521
01:04:18,016 --> 01:04:20,536
Speaker 6: Bob so there's word association with how you call your.

1522
01:04:20,616 --> 01:04:23,936
Speaker 3: Runs and then as you get the then you get

1523
01:04:23,936 --> 01:04:24,656
Speaker 3: to the pass.

1524
01:04:24,736 --> 01:04:24,936
Speaker 6: Game.

1525
01:04:25,016 --> 01:04:28,016
Speaker 3: Right and so in The New England, patriots. Offense for,

1526
01:04:28,016 --> 01:04:31,576
Speaker 3: instance the fifty series is called a slide, Series so

1527
01:04:31,616 --> 01:04:34,256
Speaker 3: we're sliding out to THE o, line taking the four

1528
01:04:34,336 --> 01:04:38,376
Speaker 3: down to the will. Linebacker the back's Responsible mike To,

1529
01:04:38,456 --> 01:04:42,016
Speaker 3: sam so middle linebacker To. Sam then the sixty series

1530
01:04:42,096 --> 01:04:45,816
Speaker 3: is man and so that means the offensive line taking

1531
01:04:45,856 --> 01:04:48,896
Speaker 3: the four down to that middle backer and they're, scanning

1532
01:04:49,136 --> 01:04:51,896
Speaker 3: duel and through to the to the sam over here

1533
01:04:51,936 --> 01:04:53,696
Speaker 3: and the back has the weak side.

1534
01:04:53,816 --> 01:04:56,296
Speaker 4: Backer, YEAH i walked into a trigonometric class. GUY i

1535
01:04:56,336 --> 01:04:57,896
Speaker 4: MEAN i was going to, say LIKE i did some

1536
01:04:57,936 --> 01:05:00,136
Speaker 4: intro to trig and SO i was able to talk

1537
01:05:00,216 --> 01:05:03,376
Speaker 4: us through the personnel. Part the. Rest i'm a little.

1538
01:05:03,376 --> 01:05:06,016
Speaker 4: Loss let me ask you one other fundamental, question, then

1539
01:05:06,176 --> 01:05:08,496
Speaker 4: why is it important to identify the?

1540
01:05:08,656 --> 01:05:11,096
Speaker 6: Mic? Okay so that sets your protections.

1541
01:05:11,176 --> 01:05:13,296
Speaker 3: Up so, really when you come to the line of,

1542
01:05:13,296 --> 01:05:17,216
Speaker 3: scrimmage say we had a six man man protection in the, sixties,

1543
01:05:17,296 --> 01:05:19,816
Speaker 3: right that means the line's taking the four down to

1544
01:05:19,856 --> 01:05:22,056
Speaker 3: the mic. Linebacker if he's cheated over this, way they

1545
01:05:22,056 --> 01:05:25,376
Speaker 3: can duel that front. Side meaning if THE mic comes by,

1546
01:05:25,456 --> 01:05:27,856
Speaker 3: himself they'll pick him up with one of the five. Linemen,

1547
01:05:28,016 --> 01:05:31,616
Speaker 3: okay usually the interior if they overload. PRESSURE i Know

1548
01:05:31,696 --> 01:05:33,256
Speaker 3: i'm hot off of.

1549
01:05:33,336 --> 01:05:34,816
Speaker 4: You saying a lot of things that you lost me

1550
01:05:34,896 --> 01:05:37,776
Speaker 4: like as soon as you opened your. Mouth, okay so

1551
01:05:38,176 --> 01:05:40,256
Speaker 4: now the insurgent to do all it.

1552
01:05:40,296 --> 01:05:44,456
Speaker 3: Does when you identify THE mic, linebacker that sets your protection,

1553
01:05:44,536 --> 01:05:47,056
Speaker 3: scheme that tells the offensive line in the back. Immediately

1554
01:05:47,096 --> 01:05:49,336
Speaker 3: SO i come up and, Say mike's fifty. Four that

1555
01:05:49,416 --> 01:05:52,776
Speaker 3: means if in the protection, scheme you're responsible for four

1556
01:05:52,856 --> 01:05:56,416
Speaker 3: down to the will, linebacker that's now the next guy

1557
01:05:56,456 --> 01:05:57,336
Speaker 3: over is going to be the will.

1558
01:05:57,376 --> 01:05:58,736
Speaker 6: Linebacker and it doesn't matter who it.

1559
01:05:58,776 --> 01:06:00,976
Speaker 3: Is it could be a, nickelback which is you, know

1560
01:06:01,016 --> 01:06:03,736
Speaker 3: a whole other, terminology but they're going to that guy

1561
01:06:03,816 --> 01:06:08,256
Speaker 3: in the running back starts with the middle linebacker out TO. Sam,

1562
01:06:08,456 --> 01:06:11,536
Speaker 3: now when you come up in any, protection you're always

1563
01:06:11,656 --> 01:06:14,256
Speaker 3: identifying THE mic. Linebacker where it gets a little bit

1564
01:06:14,296 --> 01:06:18,736
Speaker 3: tricky is in certain, offenses as a strong safety rotates,

1565
01:06:18,816 --> 01:06:22,496
Speaker 3: down you know that they can't fire that weak side

1566
01:06:22,536 --> 01:06:25,536
Speaker 3: linebacker because he's got to be in coverage over. There

1567
01:06:25,896 --> 01:06:30,296
Speaker 3: so you will change YOUR mic. Point you'll go normally

1568
01:06:30,376 --> 01:06:32,856
Speaker 3: he's the middle, linebacker you change, him and NOW i

1569
01:06:32,896 --> 01:06:37,496
Speaker 3: reidentify THE mic as THE. Sam that changes everybody's course

1570
01:06:37,616 --> 01:06:39,776
Speaker 3: and where they're going to and the initial start of the.

1571
01:06:39,816 --> 01:06:43,976
Speaker 3: Protection so there's a lot of different moving parts and

1572
01:06:44,056 --> 01:06:44,576
Speaker 3: it takes.

1573
01:06:44,616 --> 01:06:45,976
Speaker 4: TIME i could ask my, guys do you guys have

1574
01:06:46,016 --> 01:06:48,376
Speaker 4: anyways talking ABOUT i, Mean, kevin.

1575
01:06:48,296 --> 01:06:50,656
Speaker 6: How about something simple like WHAT i hear be?

1576
01:06:50,776 --> 01:06:52,336
Speaker 4: Coverage, OKAY i like, that but let me ask one more?

1577
01:06:52,416 --> 01:06:55,096
Speaker 4: Quick CAN i want to get better at? This When

1578
01:06:55,096 --> 01:06:58,296
Speaker 4: i'm identifying the mic On, madden WHAT i feel Like

1579
01:06:58,296 --> 01:06:59,816
Speaker 4: i'm DOING i could be completely. WRONG i could be

1580
01:06:59,856 --> 01:07:01,816
Speaker 4: doing it. WRONG i feel like when identify the, mic

1581
01:07:02,216 --> 01:07:05,096
Speaker 4: regardless of where he, is that's now the middle of

1582
01:07:05,136 --> 01:07:07,216
Speaker 4: my offense is adjusting my protection to that.

1583
01:07:07,256 --> 01:07:09,736
Speaker 6: Person that's exactly what you're.

1584
01:07:09,736 --> 01:07:14,216
Speaker 3: Doing so if there's something as simple as it's called

1585
01:07:14,296 --> 01:07:17,136
Speaker 3: boss back ers, strong they'll move over gap.

1586
01:07:16,976 --> 01:07:19,016
Speaker 4: You just did a different boss, man you're given a second.

1587
01:07:18,856 --> 01:07:23,816
Speaker 6: Boy both meaning they move, strong they move. Weak.

1588
01:07:23,856 --> 01:07:26,016
Speaker 3: Well that always is an indication for a quarterback that

1589
01:07:26,056 --> 01:07:27,776
Speaker 3: they're going to have some kind of, safety either the

1590
01:07:27,776 --> 01:07:30,816
Speaker 3: weak safety or strong safety drop down into some kind

1591
01:07:30,816 --> 01:07:33,416
Speaker 3: of post side post. Safety but still when you look

1592
01:07:33,456 --> 01:07:36,616
Speaker 3: at it and identify it as middle linebackers, here because

1593
01:07:36,616 --> 01:07:38,816
Speaker 3: that's what the structure of the defense is that's where

1594
01:07:38,816 --> 01:07:39,696
Speaker 3: your offensive line is.

1595
01:07:39,696 --> 01:07:41,416
Speaker 4: STARTING i need to know what peak coverage.

1596
01:07:41,456 --> 01:07:45,256
Speaker 3: Is peak coverage is it's actually when they have some

1597
01:07:45,336 --> 01:07:48,016
Speaker 3: type of defensive lineman drop, back so now you have

1598
01:07:48,096 --> 01:07:51,856
Speaker 3: eight people in. Coverage it's usually in long distance situations

1599
01:07:51,896 --> 01:07:54,016
Speaker 3: for the defensive unit where they. Drop you see sometimes

1600
01:07:54,056 --> 01:07:56,376
Speaker 3: those big defensive linemen drop in the middle of the

1601
01:07:56,376 --> 01:07:58,656
Speaker 3: field and try to steal, something so they're just trying

1602
01:07:58,656 --> 01:08:01,816
Speaker 3: to get an extra guy in. Coverage do you understand nickel?

1603
01:08:02,096 --> 01:08:04,616
Speaker 6: Dying? Yeah, see so you got that.

1604
01:08:04,776 --> 01:08:08,296
Speaker 4: Down, yeah it was just all the, time all the.

1605
01:08:08,456 --> 01:08:10,896
Speaker 3: Formation it's really hard to sit here with out like a.

1606
01:08:10,936 --> 01:08:11,216
Speaker 7: Board.

1607
01:08:11,336 --> 01:08:13,216
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah maybe that's what we do next. Time, YEAH

1608
01:08:13,256 --> 01:08:15,576
Speaker 4: i was, like get them. Aboard but here's WHAT i learned.

1609
01:08:15,576 --> 01:08:20,696
Speaker 4: Though personnel twenty three two running, backs three tight.

1610
01:08:20,816 --> 01:08:21,736
Speaker 6: Ends bam nailed.

1611
01:08:21,736 --> 01:08:25,256
Speaker 4: It thirteen one running, back three tight. Ends BUT i

1612
01:08:25,256 --> 01:08:27,216
Speaker 4: gind that'd be. Tough you' you can't only do, thirteen can?

1613
01:08:27,296 --> 01:08:27,336
Speaker 3: You?

1614
01:08:27,376 --> 01:08:28,096
Speaker 6: Oh yeah you, can you.

1615
01:08:28,136 --> 01:08:30,616
Speaker 4: Can and then the rest are just whatever wide. Receiver

1616
01:08:30,656 --> 01:08:33,536
Speaker 4: so it's a numbers game like whatever's left, Right.

1617
01:08:33,376 --> 01:08:35,616
Speaker 3: And a lot of it is because you're trying to

1618
01:08:35,616 --> 01:08:38,696
Speaker 3: create mismatches because you know that any type of big personnel,

1619
01:08:38,736 --> 01:08:42,016
Speaker 3: group whether it's twenty, one it's kind of regular personnel,

1620
01:08:42,056 --> 01:08:44,056
Speaker 3: groups you're going to get their regular, defense and a

1621
01:08:44,096 --> 01:08:46,496
Speaker 3: lot of times it simplifies it for the. Offense but

1622
01:08:46,536 --> 01:08:48,536
Speaker 3: all of a, sudden you go thirteen. Personnel it's still a,

1623
01:08:48,616 --> 01:08:51,936
Speaker 3: big big offensive. Unit they stay in regular but now

1624
01:08:51,976 --> 01:08:54,456
Speaker 3: you get. Mismatches and that's where a guy's Like gronk

1625
01:08:54,856 --> 01:08:56,776
Speaker 3: and The Travis kelcey's of the world and all those

1626
01:08:56,856 --> 01:09:00,056
Speaker 3: they used to eat because the matchups on linebackers and

1627
01:09:00,136 --> 01:09:03,056
Speaker 3: safeties is different versus A dB because.

1628
01:09:02,776 --> 01:09:03,496
Speaker 6: They have to match your.

1629
01:09:03,536 --> 01:09:05,936
Speaker 3: Personnel and then all of a sudden they, say, look

1630
01:09:05,936 --> 01:09:09,056
Speaker 3: this guy's killing. Us they bring in the substitute a

1631
01:09:09,096 --> 01:09:11,936
Speaker 3: defensive back for one of those, linebackers which is considered,

1632
01:09:12,016 --> 01:09:15,136
Speaker 3: nickel and now you run the ball because now you

1633
01:09:15,136 --> 01:09:19,936
Speaker 3: have advantageous advantage to running the football against lesser.

1634
01:09:20,056 --> 01:09:24,136
Speaker 4: Defenders Logan ryan friend of ours would play a bunch

1635
01:09:24,136 --> 01:09:25,136
Speaker 4: of nickel mm.

1636
01:09:25,216 --> 01:09:28,256
Speaker 3: Hmm it's one of the most important aspects of any

1637
01:09:28,296 --> 01:09:30,576
Speaker 3: defense is a good nickel back because they usually play

1638
01:09:30,576 --> 01:09:33,696
Speaker 3: on the interior part of the. Defense they also have

1639
01:09:33,776 --> 01:09:36,416
Speaker 3: to be good at run force because they have to

1640
01:09:36,416 --> 01:09:38,936
Speaker 3: stick their nose in. There they're usually asked to blitz

1641
01:09:38,976 --> 01:09:40,696
Speaker 3: off the, edge and if you've got a good nickel

1642
01:09:40,696 --> 01:09:43,616
Speaker 3: and then who can also transition and play really good pass.

1643
01:09:43,656 --> 01:09:46,536
Speaker 3: Defense their Solid because who's the guy that's normally in

1644
01:09:46,536 --> 01:09:49,176
Speaker 3: the slot at the wide receiver. POSITION a guy that's,

1645
01:09:49,216 --> 01:09:52,816
Speaker 3: shifty he's, quick he's one of those possession type guys

1646
01:09:52,816 --> 01:09:55,216
Speaker 3: that you might. Get you're, saying you, know a try

1647
01:09:55,216 --> 01:09:57,816
Speaker 3: hard guy that's always in the right.

1648
01:09:57,816 --> 01:09:59,456
Speaker 6: Position, yes.

1649
01:09:59,536 --> 01:10:03,376
Speaker 4: Exactly, okay Well i'm a little brain fried from, that

1650
01:10:03,456 --> 01:10:05,616
Speaker 4: BUT i feel LIKE i got the real. Point it's.

1651
01:10:05,616 --> 01:10:10,055
Speaker 4: There next, Week i'm gonna be. Stronger that's. It thanks

1652
01:10:10,096 --> 01:10:13,376
Speaker 4: To Jim. Naggy thanks To matt who crushed it. Today

1653
01:10:13,376 --> 01:10:15,576
Speaker 4: brought in his, knowledge brought in his cap and gown and, say,

1654
01:10:15,656 --> 01:10:17,416
Speaker 4: class sit, down about to teach you what you don't.

1655
01:10:17,456 --> 01:10:19,056
Speaker 4: Know that's when you, realize you think you might know

1656
01:10:19,096 --> 01:10:21,135
Speaker 4: something about, football that you don't know anything about. Football

1657
01:10:21,136 --> 01:10:22,816
Speaker 4: when someone who knows about football comes in and, says

1658
01:10:22,816 --> 01:10:24,176
Speaker 4: here's WHAT i know about, Football.

1659
01:10:23,816 --> 01:10:25,456
Speaker 3: And Then i'm starting to realize is, like MAYBE i

1660
01:10:25,456 --> 01:10:28,936
Speaker 3: wouldn't be a good coach Because i'm overwhelming my audience very.

1661
01:10:29,016 --> 01:10:30,416
Speaker 6: QUICKLY i should just started very.

1662
01:10:30,416 --> 01:10:32,936
Speaker 4: SIMPLISTICALLY i think twelve year olds have a better chance

1663
01:10:33,096 --> 01:10:34,096
Speaker 4: five offense.

1664
01:10:33,736 --> 01:10:38,496
Speaker 3: And center quarterback exchange victory. Formation visual would help.

1665
01:10:38,536 --> 01:10:40,336
Speaker 7: Too to his point of the board.

1666
01:10:40,376 --> 01:10:43,496
Speaker 3: A, board because when you hear it and you don't

1667
01:10:43,576 --> 01:10:46,496
Speaker 3: understand the dynamics of what you're looking, at you're just, like, ah,

1668
01:10:46,576 --> 01:10:47,616
Speaker 3: yeah you've lost me at.

1669
01:10:47,656 --> 01:10:50,736
Speaker 4: Hello BUT i think it's great for people like myself

1670
01:10:50,736 --> 01:10:52,736
Speaker 4: that didn't even understand it to understand we don't even.

1671
01:10:52,816 --> 01:10:56,176
Speaker 4: Understand instead of going why didn't that make it's easy

1672
01:10:56,176 --> 01:10:57,776
Speaker 4: for me to do that yellfa screen and.

1673
01:10:57,696 --> 01:10:59,936
Speaker 6: That's, yeah well that's all the. Time when you're, like what?

1674
01:11:00,016 --> 01:11:02,296
Speaker 3: Happened why they have the busted, Covers you're, like well

1675
01:11:02,336 --> 01:11:02,776
Speaker 3: it was pretty.

1676
01:11:02,816 --> 01:11:05,616
Speaker 4: Complex, yeah fifty two treasure, hat jumpy. Jump you didn't see.

1677
01:11:05,616 --> 01:11:10,256
Speaker 3: That you didn't see THE i mean The samstrong safety

1678
01:11:10,256 --> 01:11:10,736
Speaker 3: but let's off the.

1679
01:11:10,816 --> 01:11:11,536
Speaker 6: Edd what's the matter with?

1680
01:11:11,576 --> 01:11:13,656
Speaker 3: You it's, like, NO i Didn't that's WHY i got

1681
01:11:13,736 --> 01:11:14,056
Speaker 3: hit in my.

1682
01:11:14,136 --> 01:11:17,256
Speaker 4: Face All, right we're. Out thanks To, Yarberry head Of

1683
01:11:17,816 --> 01:11:21,095
Speaker 4: video And cameras And. Production thanks to our executive, producer

1684
01:11:21,176 --> 01:11:22,856
Speaker 4: Kick Off Kevin, again thanks To Jim.

1685
01:11:22,936 --> 01:11:23,496
Speaker 6: Nagy he was.

1686
01:11:23,536 --> 01:11:26,816
Speaker 4: Awesome He's Matt Castle I'm Bobby bones and we had

1687
01:11:26,936 --> 01:11:27,736
Speaker 4: lots to. Say thank, you.

1688
01:11:27,816 --> 01:11:37,135
Speaker 1: Guys lots to say With Bobby bones And Matt castle

1689
01:11:37,336 --> 01:11:40,736
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1690
01:11:40,816 --> 01:11:44,896
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1691
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