WEBVTT - Quantumania Primer + Super Bowl Trailers

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<v Speaker 1>Warning.

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<v Speaker 2>This podcast contained spoilers for ant Man, ant Man in

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<v Speaker 2>the Wasp, plus Captain America, Civil War, Avengers in game,

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<v Speaker 2>and basically anything that the character Scott Lang has been

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<v Speaker 2>in in the MCU, plus a tiny, tiny, tiny, teeny

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<v Speaker 2>tiny spoiler for thor Love and Thutter.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello. My name is Jason Concepcion.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Rosy Night, and welcome to x ray Vision,

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<v Speaker 2>the crooked media podcast where we dive deep for dear favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>Shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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<v Speaker 3>In this episode, we got a whole bunch of stuff

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<v Speaker 3>to dig into on the previously honest all those super

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<v Speaker 3>Bowl trailers ND five, Oh yeah, Guardians of the Galaxy three,

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<v Speaker 3>and our first look at the Flash. So that's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot to talk about. In the airlock, it's the ant

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<v Speaker 3>Man Prime. Everything you need to know from the comics

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<v Speaker 3>and the movies for ant Man, Anderwass, Quantumania, and in

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<v Speaker 3>nerd Out is from our listener, Scott on the cult

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<v Speaker 3>classic TV show twin Peaks a real just obviously like

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<v Speaker 3>a full blown classic there and if.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to jump around check the show notes for

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<v Speaker 2>the time stance. We understand that some of you might

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<v Speaker 2>have might be having some issues with the timestamps not

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<v Speaker 2>being accurate due to the reasons that they're too complicated

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<v Speaker 2>for us to get into right now above our payger,

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<v Speaker 2>which is to say, is we're looking into it up next.

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<v Speaker 1>Previously on.

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<v Speaker 2>First Up Super Bowl trailers.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, a thing we were.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about in prepro that's worth mentioning is the media

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<v Speaker 2>companies and studios continue to react to the pressure of

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<v Speaker 2>falling stock prices and potentially the popping of the streaming bubble,

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<v Speaker 2>and it seems like everybody bought the fifteen what is it, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Fifteen second it depended.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, brought the bought the fifteen to thirty second trailer slot,

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<v Speaker 2>not the full minute, and then pointed everyone too, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>go online.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on YouTube now.

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<v Speaker 3>It's on Instagram on socials.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is smart because they make the add money off

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<v Speaker 2>of their own YouTube, So why why not do that?

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<v Speaker 2>First up, Indiana Jones in The Dial of Destiny, directed

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<v Speaker 2>by James Man, starring Harrison.

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<v Speaker 1>Ford back again, He's back.

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<v Speaker 2>Phoebe waller Bridge Indy's granddaughter.

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<v Speaker 1>No, INDI's goddaughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse twist could be twist.

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<v Speaker 2>You never know, John Rees Davies, Seanette Renee Wilson and

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<v Speaker 2>more and more and more, so many names.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I want to be de aged one day.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe, I believe in you. We can do. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>be doing doing something in like eight years. And now

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<v Speaker 3>dage us to talk about when we were on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're also watching Shrinking in this household, the Apple

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<v Speaker 2>TV Plus show starring Harrison Ford as a therapist who

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<v Speaker 2>has Parkinson's and he looks approximately fifty million years.

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<v Speaker 1>Older in that he does this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>And so kudo's kudos this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks this listen, I'll see it. It looks fun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks fun. John Williams, We're not going to get

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<v Speaker 3>much more music from John Williams, so I'm taking it.

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<v Speaker 3>So John Williams score. I love Mads Michaelson. He was

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<v Speaker 3>basically born to play like a Nazi in an Indiana

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<v Speaker 3>Jones movie. So good for him. Hope that leads to

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<v Speaker 3>some more Disney approved performances. I would like to see

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<v Speaker 3>him appear in the MCU more often as different characters.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it looks fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Steven Spielberger chots to Stephen Spielberg for just collecting a

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<v Speaker 2>check for doing nothing for just kind of also making

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<v Speaker 2>the fablements and collecting.

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<v Speaker 3>James Mangold, he's doing this movie. Let's see what he

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<v Speaker 3>does with a weird supernatural type adventure, because that's probably

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<v Speaker 3>what we're gonna need to see in Swamp Thing too,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a nice thing to see. I'm very interested.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a big lover of the original Indiana Jones movies,

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<v Speaker 3>Crystal Skull. I don't love it so much, but I

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<v Speaker 3>love some parts of that. You know, there's there's fun

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<v Speaker 3>to be had, so I'm hoping this is more like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the originals, and it will be interesting to see.

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<v Speaker 3>I do believe that the Requell can be done well.

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<v Speaker 3>I was a huge fan of the you know, Force

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<v Speaker 3>Awakens Last Jedi, so I believe it can be done.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm interested to see it. What does this trailer show

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<v Speaker 3>us that's new?

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<v Speaker 1>Not much, not much, not much.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say I'm very happy to see them refocusing

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<v Speaker 2>Indie on fighting Nazis, something he's great at, and and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of steer him away for something else that he's

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<v Speaker 2>also great at, which is stealing the cultural heritage, yes

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<v Speaker 2>of various peoples across thank you, so that he could

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<v Speaker 2>put them in a museum animals.

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<v Speaker 3>That no one's ever gonna see them in. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>either way bad. I still I know I've told about

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<v Speaker 3>it before. I still live for the Twitter created Oscar

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<v Speaker 3>Isaac Indiana Jones reboot while he's stealing things back from museums.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love to see it. But you know what

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<v Speaker 3>Indy focus on beating up nazis that's a message that

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<v Speaker 3>you don't need right now. Proud of you to keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>Up next Guardians of the Galaxy three, releasing May fifth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three. It was so interesting that James Gunn

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<v Speaker 2>had more Marvel stuff, you know, really than DC stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>He directed and written by James Gunn, his last official

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel movie Property, starring all our favorites back again and

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<v Speaker 2>adding Chuck Woody Wouji Yes, the High Evolutionary. Not to

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<v Speaker 2>mention Will Poulter as Adam Warlock, potentially opening the door

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<v Speaker 2>to a Rosie favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>It's true, look and be real. Okay, will she be there?

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<v Speaker 3>I thought maybe they would put it in the trailer. No,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's more likely we might see Bova on

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<v Speaker 3>Counter Earth or wherever they end up. But I will say,

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<v Speaker 3>if you are a fan of the Marvel Cosmic, you

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<v Speaker 3>are going to be eating well when you watch this movie,

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna be feasting to see Adam Warlock on the screen.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that is something. Even in the world

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<v Speaker 3>where Jim Stalin's Danos is one of the biggest villains

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<v Speaker 3>in the MCU, I did not expect to see an

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<v Speaker 3>Adam Warlock. I love Will Poulter. He's brilliant in Midsummer.

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<v Speaker 3>He was brilliant in his the interactive episode of Black

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<v Speaker 3>Mirror on Netflix, which is just so interesting, and I

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<v Speaker 3>would love to see where this is gonna go. I

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<v Speaker 3>am excited. I will not hold my breath for Bova,

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<v Speaker 3>but I will scream in the screening if she's there,

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<v Speaker 3>like I did for Mount Wondergre, And now I have

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<v Speaker 3>a bow tattoo so no one can question my dedication.

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<v Speaker 2>So this feels like in the trailer, Drax appears to

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<v Speaker 2>be suffering from some sort of malady. Now, in the comics,

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<v Speaker 2>Drax was created as a super weapon specifically designed to

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<v Speaker 2>kill fans. I wonder if they're bringing in that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of super weapon thing into the movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that Drax.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I Batista has said this is his last outing

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<v Speaker 2>as Drax, and I wouldn't be surprised if we saw

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<v Speaker 2>Drats die here. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw

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<v Speaker 2>any of them Pratt as Starlard die here. But it

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<v Speaker 2>feels like there's they're gonna find a way for Dras

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<v Speaker 2>to get on the Viking funeral boat and sail off.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like it. And you know what, Dave's ready,

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<v Speaker 3>He said, why aren't I? Why isn't anyone costing me

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<v Speaker 3>in rom coms? The world needs to know I'm ready

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<v Speaker 3>for the Dave Batista roamkom So I'm happy for him.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Drax, I feel like he made that character

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<v Speaker 3>into something so brilliant and accessible and funny. But he

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<v Speaker 3>spoke about it not necessarily being like the deepest role

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<v Speaker 3>for him, So I think you're right. I think we

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<v Speaker 3>could see something like that. The trailer is very heavy

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<v Speaker 3>handed on it being the end of the road and

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<v Speaker 3>facing the music since you've been gone, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of playing on this idea of Quill and Gomorah

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<v Speaker 3>and their new relationship posts you know, the events of endgame.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think if you're a big Guardians fan, you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to get a lot of not fan service, but

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of payoff on these relationships that you care about.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm most interested to know whether this is like a

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<v Speaker 3>real ending of the Guardians of the Galaxy, or if

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<v Speaker 3>they're essentially clearing the way of this team, because in

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<v Speaker 3>the comics, Guardians like many teams. There's been so many

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<v Speaker 3>and I think once you introduce High Evolutionary, once you

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<v Speaker 3>introduce Adam Warlock, you're getting more into the Marvel Cosmic,

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<v Speaker 3>You're getting into the Infinity Watch, You're getting into that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of stuff. So I think we could see a

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<v Speaker 3>different Guardians team, but I think this is the end

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<v Speaker 3>of this Guardian's team. I think this is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a very emotional movie about Rocket. That seems to

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<v Speaker 3>be kind of the heart of the film. We see

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<v Speaker 3>him talking about, you know, the higher Evolutionary who wants

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<v Speaker 3>to like make the world better. But then Rockett kind

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<v Speaker 3>of says, in this really great, very James gun line

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<v Speaker 3>is like he didn't want to make things perfect. He

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<v Speaker 3>just hated things away there, and I thought that was

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<v Speaker 3>like really powerful. It looks like we're going to get

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<v Speaker 3>some kind of flashback to what we all assumed, which

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<v Speaker 3>was that in the MCU, Rocket was created by the

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<v Speaker 3>higher evolutionary and was one of his earlier experiments, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be interesting. Rocket seems to have a

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<v Speaker 3>cute Otter friend, partner, lover, buddy, sibling. We don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>but it looks cute. And Will Potter's looking like they

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<v Speaker 3>painted him gold with face paint, and I'm obsessed that

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<v Speaker 3>that is the route that they went. I'm a big fan,

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it looks looks good. I'm excited. I'm intrigued

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<v Speaker 3>to see where it goes. Will Bover be in it?

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<v Speaker 3>I can only dream.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you did you notice Nebula's blade hand? She got

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<v Speaker 2>some upgrades in the time ark.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to say, if there's one character that I

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<v Speaker 3>want to see stick around in the MCU from this team,

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<v Speaker 3>it's Nebula. I think the arc that they gave her

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<v Speaker 3>is just so brilliant. And in the comics, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Nebula is Thanos's granddaughter and she is the one that

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<v Speaker 3>Thanos kills in order to get the gem, and I

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<v Speaker 3>just think there's so much ripeness that they've kind of

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<v Speaker 3>left to expand and explore with this character by not

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<v Speaker 3>having her take that role and having more take that role.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'd love to see Nebula stick around. I think

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<v Speaker 3>Karen does such a good job and I like this

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<v Speaker 3>kind of idea of her as like a core ever

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<v Speaker 3>evolving cyborg, which they kind of play into in the

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<v Speaker 3>way Thanos was torturing her, but then to get to

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<v Speaker 3>see her grow. Also, look, I know we've been saying it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm going to say it again. Adam Warlock turning up,

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<v Speaker 3>it really is hinting that Thanos might come back, so

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<v Speaker 3>having some con I think at some point he'll come back.

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<v Speaker 3>Will it be in ten years, will it be in

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen years, will it be in twenty But he is

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<v Speaker 3>going to come back at some point. There's multiple Thanoses

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<v Speaker 3>in Jim stylin hilarious Cannon that he has managed to create.

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<v Speaker 3>Whenever he comes back. There's like many many clones of

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<v Speaker 3>Thanos and as they even played with the idea and

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<v Speaker 3>endgame where we saw the you know, the earlier version

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<v Speaker 3>of Thanos. So I think that we shouldn't necessarily put

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<v Speaker 3>that way, especially with star Fox showing up with Pip

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<v Speaker 3>the Troll. These are cosmic characters who are very deeply

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<v Speaker 3>connected to Thanos. So yeah, I would like to see it.

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<v Speaker 3>I love I love seeing Nebula. I think she's probably

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<v Speaker 3>Her and Rocket are probably my favorite characters from the Guardians.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Wonder if off our previous conversation about tracks in the

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<v Speaker 2>comics being created as like this kind of super weapon

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<v Speaker 2>designed just to kill Thanos. I wonder if the High

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<v Speaker 2>Evolutionary has some Thanos DNA and he's making stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, that's actually such a good call, especially because,

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<v Speaker 3>like we said, there's multiple versions of Thanos. You could

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<v Speaker 3>go back through time, you know, you could just go

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<v Speaker 3>and pick up his head that they chopped off while

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<v Speaker 3>he was just trying to make some horridge, a very

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<v Speaker 3>disrespectful thing that he was just trying to eat some

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<v Speaker 3>nice food, trying to retire, and they chopped off his head.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't see what they did with that head. The

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<v Speaker 3>High Evolutionary could have gone there and got that head.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a very very good call, especially because

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<v Speaker 3>the way that they played with that aspect of Drax

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<v Speaker 3>in the movie was that Dana said killed his family,

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<v Speaker 3>so he wanted to kill them. Maybe he was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of this killing machine but in an emotional way, so

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<v Speaker 3>that would be really interesting. Also, you know, there's always

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<v Speaker 3>a chance that Drax is someone who the Higher Evolutionary

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<v Speaker 3>has come into contact with before and created that weapon himself.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think we're going to find out that

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<v Speaker 3>the higher evolutionary. I don't think he's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>like a Kang level puppet master, but I wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>surprised if they find ways to connect him to other

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<v Speaker 3>characters that aren't just Rocket.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is in the second version of the Guardians team.

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<v Speaker 2>If we can indeed say that we're not already in

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<v Speaker 2>a second version of the Guardians team, since Nebula is

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<v Speaker 2>on the team now and I guess Thor was with

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<v Speaker 2>them for a little while. Well, who will be in

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<v Speaker 2>the post I'm just assuming post Quill, post Dras. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Nebula will.

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<v Speaker 1>Still be there.

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<v Speaker 3>I love see.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that Gomorra will still be there. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Dras will be gone. I am hoping Rocket will still

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<v Speaker 2>be there, but you never know. Adam Warlock, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I think some.

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<v Speaker 3>Crossover also, if we were going to see like a Nova,

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<v Speaker 3>that would be a good place for him to go.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we've we've been talking about that Nova movie

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<v Speaker 3>bringing in Nova. We know that the Marvels is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be playing with the Cree war stuff, So I

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<v Speaker 3>think we can see that as a place that he

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<v Speaker 3>would be introduced. I mean, look, this is a character

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<v Speaker 3>we've talked about a lot because we've been interested in

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<v Speaker 3>seeing them come. But like Moondragon, that was a character

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<v Speaker 3>we were.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking about, I mean Drax's daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like that is a character we were talking about

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<v Speaker 3>a lot during one division. That definitely feels like something.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think the idea of using the team names

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<v Speaker 3>kind of how everyone expected them to do with Avengers

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<v Speaker 3>but they never really landed on Guardians could be an

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<v Speaker 3>interesting secondary space for that. Also, the real truth is

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<v Speaker 3>that Guardians had so many members and really the team

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<v Speaker 3>that we have is not even it's not even really

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<v Speaker 3>like akin to the teams. I mean there's a Guardians

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<v Speaker 3>team that has like yellowjacket.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I bet you, I bet you. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>scrolls from Secret Invasion goes to space.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh. I could definitely say I really thought we were

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<v Speaker 3>gonna get that, like as Guardians of the Galaxy, like

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<v Speaker 3>the But you know what, as well, you know you

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<v Speaker 3>could have someone like Cosmo, who we know is gonna

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<v Speaker 3>play a role in this. They were he was actually

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<v Speaker 3>like or she depending on the cannon was actually like

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<v Speaker 3>in the team in the comics, Like we could have

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<v Speaker 3>a Cosmo that would be so cool. I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a version that has Carol Danvers in it as Captain Martha, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think she's probably a little too high power.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so too. But maybe there's a version where

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<v Speaker 3>Monica Rambo ends up in there that I would.

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<v Speaker 1>Love to see her Nager's team.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's just a lot of fun stuff. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>we're getting kind of into characters they don't have, but

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<v Speaker 3>there is just so much space you have, like Cosmic

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<v Speaker 3>ghost Rider, that thing's been in there, Kyried. I just

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<v Speaker 3>think this is a team they're probably gonna keep around.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, heck, we saw you know, Brett Goldstein as Hercules,

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<v Speaker 3>and there was a version where Hercules was in it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just think there's like a lot of fun

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<v Speaker 3>that could be had with this team. So don't expect

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<v Speaker 3>them to disappear. But I think you can expect to

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<v Speaker 3>say goodbye to the majority of this team. But I

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<v Speaker 3>think you're right, Themora and Nebula, that's probably your sticking

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<v Speaker 3>around with maybe Groot, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, we gotta have Groot in there forever. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>next up here it is, folks, you've been waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>this one. The Flash, releasing June sixteenth, directed by Andy Muscetti,

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<v Speaker 2>written by Christina Hodson, starring Ezra Miller's Barry Allen, Sasha

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<v Speaker 2>Cali is or l Michael Shannon his back is general Sah.

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<v Speaker 3>That was for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was big, I think, a big surprise.

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<v Speaker 2>And Michael Keaton as Batmanman which one?

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<v Speaker 3>Which one?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we'll get to that in a second.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is this is, you know, a direct adaptation

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<v Speaker 2>of The Cross, a d C crossover revent flashpoint that

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<v Speaker 2>essentially ended the DC universe ahead of the new fifty

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<v Speaker 2>two relaunch, which is a super cool crossover, certainly one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most fun ones they've done in recent times.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a huge event. It's kind of hard to

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<v Speaker 3>like overstate it was how much of a big deal

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<v Speaker 3>it was at the time. And it was Jeff John's

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<v Speaker 3>it was Andy Cube, I mean the cub It's like

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<v Speaker 3>comic book Royalty, So yeah, it was. It was a

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<v Speaker 3>huge thing. And basically it essentially like.

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<v Speaker 1>Set was the Crisis of its day.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, and it set everything off into like a much

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<v Speaker 3>worse world. That's like the main thing to say, like

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<v Speaker 3>before New fifty two Flashpoint actually happened, the universe was

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<v Speaker 3>so much darker. Everything was bad. We will get to

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<v Speaker 3>that when we talk about Keaton. But yeah, I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>realize i'd kind of somehow slip my mind through all

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<v Speaker 3>of this like that. It was written by Christina Hodson,

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<v Speaker 3>who I love, who wrote Birds of Prey, so that

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of exciting to me. I'm trying to focus

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<v Speaker 3>on the positives. Obviously, we've talked a lot about Ezra

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<v Speaker 3>and their troubles, and I do still I don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 3>think this is the most I'm not necessarily sure if

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<v Speaker 3>there is a good way of releasing this movie at

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<v Speaker 3>this point, but you know what it is out there,

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, Christina Hodson, I think that's great. I love

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<v Speaker 3>Kirsey Clemens. I thought that was such a great Iris westcasting,

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<v Speaker 3>and she did not get her due in the Snyder

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<v Speaker 3>cut release that we got, so I would love to

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<v Speaker 3>see that explored more. I was very excited to see

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<v Speaker 3>Sasha as Kara. I think there's a big chance that

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<v Speaker 3>from what we see in this trailer, that will be

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<v Speaker 3>the Kara who goes on to the Guniverse.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So in flash Point. We wouldn't do this without

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<v Speaker 2>spoiling anything in case you want to go back and

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<v Speaker 2>read Flashpoint on your DC.

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<v Speaker 3>University, any library.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Barry Allen wakes up one day and there are

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<v Speaker 2>no superheroes aka meta humans, and his mom, who had

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<v Speaker 2>previously died in his world, is alive and he has

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>He meets a different version of himself.

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<v Speaker 2>He realizes that he fucked something up and he created

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<v Speaker 2>a world where there are no superheroes.

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<v Speaker 1>All this is in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Trailer, and then he has to team up with this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of ragtag alt versions of characters in order to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of put things back the way they were. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's sort of successful and it's super fun. Now

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<v Speaker 2>in Flashpoint, Barry does team up with the reverse version

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<v Speaker 2>of himself and Batman, but the Batman in the flashment Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess this is kind of a spoiler, but not really.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a this is a light context spoilers interesting

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<v Speaker 3>and also now like over ten year old comics, But

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, it's a really outrageous choice that I've

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<v Speaker 3>been waiting for them to do for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, So in the comics, the Batman that Barry

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<v Speaker 2>Allen teams up with is Thomas Wayne Bruce's dad, not Bruce,

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<v Speaker 2>So begging the question is Michael Keaton playing Bruce or

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<v Speaker 2>Tomas exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>Because and the thing is about Thomas, the Thomas Wayne

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<v Speaker 3>Batman is he is incredibly brutal or he kills He's

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<v Speaker 3>kill every traumatized by what happened because in that universe

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<v Speaker 3>that Barry created, basically the in the night in Crime Alley,

0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.399
<v Speaker 3>it was Bruce who died and his parents survived, and

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<v Speaker 3>that ruined Thomas's life, and that drove Thomas to become

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<v Speaker 3>the butt. I think it is probably a safe bet

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<v Speaker 3>to guess that there is a fifty to fifty chance

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<v Speaker 3>that he is gonna be Thomas Wayne, not Bruce. I

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<v Speaker 3>would love it. I would love it to be like

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<v Speaker 3>our Keaton verse, like suave. But he looked a bit

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<v Speaker 3>rough and ready in the trailer. He kind of looks tired,

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<v Speaker 3>he looks angry. Every Batman is apparently annoyed by the flash,

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<v Speaker 3>so that continues.

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<v Speaker 2>The action is like there's that shot of him dropping

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<v Speaker 2>down onto some baddies and just cleaning up, and yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we are talking about a Batman movie. Michael Keaton's Batman

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<v Speaker 2>movie that came out in like nineteen eighty nine and

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<v Speaker 2>had a different I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was gonna say, guy, he loves uns. He shoots people

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<v Speaker 3>all the time in that movie, so it wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>too far off.

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<v Speaker 2>But this felt it is possible. It feels to me

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<v Speaker 2>very possible that it.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely could be possible. I also thought it was cool

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<v Speaker 3>that like the version of Kara that we see in this.

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<v Speaker 3>So there was a lot of there's been obviously a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of rumors surrounding this movie, and there was a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of talk about then this was public that Andy Mischee,

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<v Speaker 3>the director, shared about casting Supergirl and how there was

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a young Justice League that was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of led by the Supergirl and you know, Michael Keaton

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<v Speaker 3>was originally going to be in the Batgirl movie, and

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<v Speaker 3>there was kind of this idea that that would be

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<v Speaker 3>the new World's Finest, you know, but we do get

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<v Speaker 3>to see Sasha here a Supergirl. I thought the Supergirl

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<v Speaker 3>look was really cool. I thought the suit was nice,

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<v Speaker 3>and they kind of do this cool thing where they

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<v Speaker 3>reflect Kara being in prison just like Clark was in

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<v Speaker 3>the Flashpoint comic. So she is our Superman here She's

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<v Speaker 3>our Kryptonian, and I'm very interested to see it looks cool.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, like I was saying, I think we can

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<v Speaker 3>assume from that kind of rough, gritty story that they're

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<v Speaker 3>giving her here, it will be that would fit very

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<v Speaker 3>well into the Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow story based on

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<v Speaker 3>the Tom King bilkis Everlely comic that we were talking

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<v Speaker 3>about that James Gun's going to announce. So she is

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<v Speaker 3>a I think a top contender to come over to

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<v Speaker 3>I agree also interestingly, so James said. James Gunn said,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the Reset movie, and everything afterwards ties in

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<v Speaker 3>so often this you're gonna have blueby or, but we've

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<v Speaker 3>heard rumor has it. Also, I think it was maybe

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<v Speaker 3>even confirmed that Michael Keaton is gonna be in Aquaman two,

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<v Speaker 3>and Aquaman two does directly connect to James Gun's universe.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm very interested to see what happens there. That's

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<v Speaker 3>these are the questions I need to answered.

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<v Speaker 2>We should add that we had, you know, one of

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<v Speaker 2>our predictions, and honestly a pretty pretty straight line supposition

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<v Speaker 2>that we've drawn on this podcast is that much like

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<v Speaker 2>the Flashpoint event in the comics, this movie will essentially

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<v Speaker 2>kill off the Snyder verse version of the DCU and

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<v Speaker 2>then move towards we'd just call it James Gun's New

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<v Speaker 2>fifty two or whatever, you know, the James Gun era.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty clear before that pivot was kind of grafted

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<v Speaker 2>onto this movie that this was going to just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of tie together all the disparate DCU stuff that already

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<v Speaker 2>was out there, including a significant amount of you know,

0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Snyder directed and creatively informed projects. But it does feel

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 2>like they're going to move into a new one. I

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<v Speaker 2>think so kind of paradigm after this because I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Very interested to see Zod here, right. That wasn't something

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<v Speaker 3>I'd heard about. It wasn't something I was expecting, And

0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.040
<v Speaker 3>I would assume that because there's no meta humans in

0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:21.959
<v Speaker 3>this world, no one could stop Zod's invasion that, you know,

0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Henry Carville Superman stopped in Man of Steel by murdering Zod. Shocking,

0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:30.520
<v Speaker 3>shocking thing that happens spoiler a lot. But yeah, So

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's very interesting because you're also already basically

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<v Speaker 3>essentially creating a world without Superman, which I think is

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<v Speaker 3>really interesting and sets up a new space for this

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<v Speaker 3>young Superman movie that they want to do. That's probably

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<v Speaker 3>going to be more of a classical Superman or star Superman,

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of idea of a hopeful Superman, a Superman

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<v Speaker 3>who wouldn't snap someone's neck, even if it would maybe

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<v Speaker 3>save the world. So, yeah, it's very interesting it's coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's I mean, well, here's the other thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that part of this obviously you never know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think that part of this new fifty two

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<v Speaker 2>style reboot that they're going to do after a flashpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>my guess is it will include Barry Allen exiting stage

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<v Speaker 2>left and Wally West and during stage.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how it feels. I have to say, my greatest

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<v Speaker 3>hope for this movie was that we would get a

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<v Speaker 3>kind of very quick Oh no, Barry Allen is lost

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<v Speaker 3>in the Speed Force. Here's Wally West. Like the Wally

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<v Speaker 3>casting in the CW is super great. You know, Kenyan

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.440
<v Speaker 3>Lonsdale was just absolutely terrific in that role.

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<v Speaker 2>So we cannot forget that the CW did flash.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they've done. It happened, but I was hoping for that.

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 3>I think that would have been the I think there

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<v Speaker 3>is a more holistic, sustainable, like realistic about the troubles

0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:57.960
<v Speaker 3>that have happened to do with this movie. But you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, this is not going to happen. But I

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<v Speaker 3>do think you're right. I think that an outcome of

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<v Speaker 3>this movie may well be Flash Barry Allen, You're into

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<v Speaker 3>the Speed Force, my friend, and then Rolly West, Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you're out of the Speed Force. Nice to see you.

0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:13.160
<v Speaker 3>You've come from the future, You've come from the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he's already interacting with in the trailer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>at least one the reverse Flash one version of himself,

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<v Speaker 2>and he will likely interact with more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's an easy way to just be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>who are you. My name's Wally, I'm from another dimensional.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I have to say. Okay, just because

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<v Speaker 3>I just have to say this, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 3>do any spoilers, but if you if you do, if

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<v Speaker 3>you are interested in The Flash, and you like the

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 3>Flash and you like DC comics, the first episode of

0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:43.440
<v Speaker 3>the last season of The Flash, it's very CuW. Don't

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 3>be surprised. But I had to watch it because the

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<v Speaker 3>end of it is absolutely insane and introduces like the

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<v Speaker 3>craziest deep cut but new character from Dark Knights Metal

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 3>and it's just absolutely bonkers and everyone should go and

0:25:57.760 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 3>watch it, because when it happened at the end, I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, this is not real, but this is happening.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's just a fun aside. Go watch it on

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:07.919
<v Speaker 3>the CW app, get prepared for your flash experiences, and

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 3>learn about a new scary reverse flash. But yeah, I

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:13.440
<v Speaker 3>think you're right, there's gonna be multiple flashes. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>prepared for the fact that we were going to be

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<v Speaker 3>seeing like multiple Ezras. I kind of didn't really consider

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<v Speaker 3>how focused this film would be on them and on

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<v Speaker 3>their version of Barry. But you know what I would.

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<v Speaker 3>It's coming out and there's things to talk about, and

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully they are getting the help they need and sew

0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:34.760
<v Speaker 3>are the people around them that they have hurt. And

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 3>I hope that there is a good side of the

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<v Speaker 3>corporate kind of conversation they're having about Ezra's getting help.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope that expands to the people to Ezra hurt too, And.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, completely, I wholeheartedly agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Up next the air Lock, Well, we're stepping out of

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 2>the airlock and onto the streets of San Francisco to

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<v Speaker 2>give you a primer on Scott Lang's ant Man The

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<v Speaker 2>Quantum Realm, the microverse, Kang and he who remains before

0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 2>the release of ant Man and the Loss Quantumty on

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<v Speaker 2>February seveneenth. We're going to tell you about the history

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<v Speaker 2>of ant Man the Suit throughout the MCU up to

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<v Speaker 2>where we are right now in the movies, including some

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<v Speaker 2>explainers based on the comic histories of the people's places

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<v Speaker 2>and things that are interacting with ant Man, Scott Lang

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<v Speaker 2>and Henry Pim.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with ant Man in the comics. Rosie tell

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<v Speaker 1>us some history about this character.

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:51.359
<v Speaker 3>Cool so Aman in the comics. We all know in

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:54.119
<v Speaker 3>the MCU that the first ant Man that we properly

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 3>met with Scott Lang, but in the comics it was

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<v Speaker 3>Hank Pim, first debuted in nineteen sixty one's tell Us

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<v Speaker 3>to Astonish twenty seven, created by Stanley his brother Larry Lieber,

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 3>who drew the longtime syndicated Spider Man comic, and Jack Kirby.

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:11.119
<v Speaker 3>Of course, but Hank is one of those really funny

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:14.919
<v Speaker 3>characters where there's like fifteen different first appearances because he's

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<v Speaker 3>had so many different characters, so they decided to retroactively

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 3>reveal he'd actually been in Strange Tales a year before

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 3>but if you're talking about him in his ant Man suit,

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<v Speaker 3>that we know that was tells to Astonish thirty five

0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 3>put on that suit and kind of never went back

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:34.120
<v Speaker 3>at Man, became a prestige hero. There's lots of funny adventures.

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:37.399
<v Speaker 3>He's psychically controlling ants, He's fighting Loki with ants, and

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 3>hilariously Hank's It's really interesting that we never got a

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Hank on the Avengers because Hank has been on so

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:48.680
<v Speaker 3>many Avengers Teams, Avengers AI, Secret Avengers, Black Ops Unit,

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Might Avengers, Grandpa the Time Displaced Avengers, and he was

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<v Speaker 3>even on the Illuminati. So this is like a legit

0:28:55.880 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 3>Marvel heavyweight. He he popped on made an appearance. But

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 3>this is a man who, like has been a store

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 3>war MCU character. But maybe one of the reasons that

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<v Speaker 3>he wasn't the first choice to be the main ant

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<v Speaker 3>Man is a because he is an older hero. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>this is someone from the sixties, so it makes sense

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 3>that the MCU wanted to give their heroes a lineage

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:24.959
<v Speaker 3>in legacy, but also throughout the comics, he has had

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<v Speaker 3>a troubled past, a spy past of treating people badly,

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<v Speaker 3>which will kind of get to when we talk about

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 3>another one of A heroes. But that's our first ant Man.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Hank Pim.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about ant Man and the MCU. So the

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 2>story of ant Man in the MCU, the ant Man

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 2>identity begins with Hank Pim a brilliant, energetic and arrogant

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:48.360
<v Speaker 2>but you know, one might say fairly so, young scientist.

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Dates are kind of fuzzy for a lot of stuff

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 2>in the MCU, but when we have specific dates will

0:29:56.400 --> 0:30:01.040
<v Speaker 2>tell you. But sometime in the late sixties to early seventies,

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Pim made the physics discovery of a lifetime. The particles

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:07.959
<v Speaker 2>he discovered, which he named after himself, allowed him to

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 2>shrink or grow matter to mind blowing scales. Pim developed

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 2>a suit, the ant Man Suit, and as a member

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 2>of Shield, took part in secret missions that spanned the globe.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same time, Pim had developed a technology that

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<v Speaker 2>allowed him to communicate and control ants, and these ants

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.959
<v Speaker 2>often became his teammates in these various secret missions that

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 2>he underwent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love the ant powers are like some of

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 3>the best kind of funny Hank Pim series, Like he

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 3>will use the ants and we get to see that

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 3>a little bit in them, which I really love, especially

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 3>Scott loves to have a giant size aunt as a friend.

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Is fun.

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 3>It's a really, really good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>By nineteen seventy, PIM was working out of the Secret

0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Shield Lab at Camp Lee High in New Jersey. You

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 2>might remember this military base is the place that Steve

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Rogers underwent training to become Captain America. It's also where

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<v Speaker 2>by nineteen seventy, the Testa Act aka the Minstone was

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 2>being studied, and as the seventies stretch of the eighties,

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 2>PIM was collaborating with another brilliant scientist, doctor Bill Foster,

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<v Speaker 2>on an interdimensional transportation device that would, in theory, allow

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 2>access to a sub atomic realm, which they named the

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 2>quantum Realm. The project stalled out because Hank Pim is

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 2>a fucking asshole literally.

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 3>And that is comic book canon, comic fucking essus.

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 1>He's a fucking dick. He and Bill Foster just could

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:41.360
<v Speaker 1>not get along enough.

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 3>And guess what, so, Bill Foster. That was like such

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 3>a massive moment for Marvel fans and Amman fans because

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 3>he is like a key part of the law.

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>He Bill Fosters are very important.

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's a very important character first arrived in Avenge

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 3>thirty two in nineteen sixty six, another Stanley creation, this

0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 3>time with Don heck Like. He was a signist from

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<v Speaker 3>What's Los Angeles, like how many superheroes come from What's

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:05.239
<v Speaker 3>and he was hired by Tony Stark, which you will

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<v Speaker 3>see as a trend of ant Man characters actually eventually

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 3>end up working alongside Hank Pim, and Foster ended up

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:14.200
<v Speaker 3>kind of show showing that he was the better scientist.

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 3>He helped Pim reconfigure his formula after Pim got stuck

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 3>at like ten feet he was trying to be giant man,

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 3>he got stuck at like ten foot tall. Foster helped

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 3>Pim sort that out, and he would later on duplicate

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 3>the Pim particles to create his own powers, which he

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 3>managed to do without Hank's help, and that was how

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 3>he became Goliath. And he's just such a rad character.

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 3>But guess what. He stopped working with Hank in the

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 3>comics because Hank sucks and they fell out and they

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:44.479
<v Speaker 3>had a beef, and then he didn't work with him anymore.

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:45.920
<v Speaker 3>So that is comic book Cannon.

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 2>And then he got killed in Civil War rudely rude.

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:54.800
<v Speaker 3>And the next up is one of my favorite characters ever,

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 3>someone that I felt was not getting hurt jew in

0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:59.719
<v Speaker 3>the MCU, But I feel like they're kind of changing

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 3>that now, which is Janet vandy In aka the Original Wasp.

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 1>She's founding the Great Leaders of the Avengers.

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Not only that founding member, also she was the one

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 3>who came up with the name in the last panel

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 3>of the first issue of The Avengers. She is the

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 3>one who said, that's our name, baby, the Avengers. She

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 3>called them that, you know. She was another Tales to

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 3>Astonished character came out in sixty threes, Tales to Astonish

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 3>forty four Stanley Ernest Hart and of course Jack Kirby.

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 3>One of my favorite things about the LOSP was she's

0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 3>like a fashion designer and an inventor. And her relationship

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 3>with Hank Pim as we kind of mentioned, like that

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 3>was his wife, that was his teammate. But Hank is

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 3>abusive in some comics. He had addiction problems, he had

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 3>problems with his ego, So that's kind of a struggle,

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 3>which I understand why they didn't necessarily want to dig

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 3>into it, but I do think it's important to mention,

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 3>like Janet was the first woman on the Avengers, a

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 3>leader of the Avengers. She is a big part of

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 3>why Moniker is on the event. I just think she's incredible,

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 3>and I'm really glad that Michelle Fiffe is playing at

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 3>because she is an icon and fantastic.

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 1>She's so good, fantastic.

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:09.879
<v Speaker 3>I was really happy when the second movie dug more

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 3>into Janet and her kind of impact. I'll be very

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 3>interested to see when we go and see Quantumania to Night,

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 3>I will be interested to see how much of Janet

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 3>story they build in.

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 2>So, by the eighties in the MCU, Hank was teaming

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 2>up with his by now wife, We assume Janet van

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Dyne aka the Wasp, who was doing missions right beside

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Hank in a suit that Hank also designed, the Wasp suit,

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 2>and in nineteen eighty seven, Hank and Janet were on

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 2>a shield operation to stop a Soviet missile launch. The

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 2>mission was a success, but Janet, who shrunk to sub

0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:58.560
<v Speaker 2>atomic size to get inside the weapons casing and disrupt

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 2>the missile so it wouldn't hit its target, was lost forever,

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 2>it was thought forever. In the Quantum Realm, Hank and

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Janet's daughter Hope would then have to live the rest

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 2>of their lives without their mother, they thought, and this

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 2>was especially traumatic for Hope, whose last memories of her

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 2>mom are a precious thing to her, as we saw

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:21.320
<v Speaker 2>in the first ant Man movie. Now, Pim had always

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 2>done things his own way within Shield uh and this

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:29.840
<v Speaker 2>was mainly because he did not trust Shield with his technology.

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:33.359
<v Speaker 2>He never he did missions himself because he didn't want

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 2>anybody touching PIM particles, being involved with PIM particles who

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 2>he could not control. Now it turns out Hank was

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 2>right about that Shield also because Shield.

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 1>He turns out he was right because Shield was actually

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 1>a hydra A.

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:51.359
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, like he was right. And guess what they were

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 3>trying to steal his ship, just like they everyone shit

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 3>were so you know what he does suck, But he

0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 3>was right, He was right with this.

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 2>He now PIM would about a couple of years after

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:11.439
<v Speaker 2>the fateful mission to stop the Russian missile, Pim would

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 2>quit Shield in a rage when.

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:16.760
<v Speaker 1>He discovered that Shield very shadily was.

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Trying to recreate his PIM technology without involving Hank and

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 2>without him knowing. After Shield, Pim founded PIM Technologies in

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 2>the Bay Area which is a company that researched and

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 2>produced consumer grade nanotechnology, the kind of nanotechnology that you

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 2>would use in the medical field to improve people's lives.

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:46.280
<v Speaker 2>In twenty fifteen, a fellow named Scott Lang, an engineer

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 2>turned thief, was released from prison. Scott spent the next

0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:52.239
<v Speaker 2>few months trying to get his life on track. He

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 2>worked at a basket Robbins, among many other faithful attempts

0:36:56.080 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 2>at getting a job, and attempted to rebuild his relationship

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:04.400
<v Speaker 2>with his young daughter Cassie, who who's you know, a

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 2>majority of his of her life he had missed while

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:10.959
<v Speaker 2>he was in prison. Frustrated and struggling financially, Scott gets

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 2>roped into a heist job and the target turns out

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 2>to be some rich guy's house where there's a safe,

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:22.520
<v Speaker 2>and inside the safe there's this like weird motorcycle looking

0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:27.359
<v Speaker 2>suit plus a funky metal helmet that could have been

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 2>it turns.

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Out it's the airman's suit Rosy shocking.

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:34.200
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, we met him in the MCU, like we

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 3>were saying, as the first kind of ant man that

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:39.320
<v Speaker 3>we really got to know. But Scot actually didn't debut

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 3>until like a decade plus and over one hundred and

0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 3>eighty issues of Avengers after his counterparts in nineteen seventy

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 3>nine Avengers one hundred and eighty one, created by David Mikkeliney,

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 3>Bob Layton, and John Byrne. And just like the movies,

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 3>he's a reformed thief and a kind of electronics expert

0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.399
<v Speaker 3>and he kind of gets on the straight and narrow

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:03.440
<v Speaker 3>by being hired by Tony Stark. He's quite generous guy

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 3>in the comics Old Stark.

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:07.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Tony Stark people high needs.

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 3>He needs people to hire, he needs works and.

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Should add kind of a big deal because throughout this

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:17.400
<v Speaker 2>period of Tony Stark's comics history, this guy's business was

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.360
<v Speaker 2>like on the verge of failure all the time. Actually

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:22.960
<v Speaker 2>he was very, very rich, but but the business was

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 2>always like almost going out of helas or gonna be

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:28.879
<v Speaker 2>taken over by Stayin International.

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 3>And also, I will just say, unlike the MCU Tony

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Stark in the comics, Tony Stark did pay the Avengers,

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:39.600
<v Speaker 3>so he was also paying the Avengers and his business

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:43.919
<v Speaker 3>was going broke tough times. But yeah, Scotland's actually very

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:46.400
<v Speaker 3>I feel like he is one of the most comic

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:50.320
<v Speaker 3>book canonically like correct characters that we've gotten in the

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 3>MC very dedicated to his daughter Cassie, who also like

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 3>came around in the same year as Scott as part

0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 3>of this redemption arc that he kind of was going on.

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.680
<v Speaker 3>And it's interesting because, like in the movies, something I

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 3>always find funny, I was rewatching Civil War recently, and

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 3>it's so fun when he gets bought onto that Avengers team,

0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 3>the kind of team cauch He's so desperate, he loves it,

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 3>he wants to be and then you know, he ends

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:17.480
<v Speaker 3>up really something that I saw that was really interesting

0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:20.399
<v Speaker 3>when I was watching the Quantumania premiere was that it

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 3>was it was Paul Rudd who really wanted Scott to

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 3>go into the Quantum Realm, and it was him who

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:28.319
<v Speaker 3>suggested this idea of the end of the first movie

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 3>him going in, and it was him who kind of

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:33.759
<v Speaker 3>really wanted that to be a part of the way

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 3>that they saved the world in Endgame. So I love

0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 3>that he is so passionate about the character. And it's

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 3>really interesting because he's still on the outskirts of the

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:43.480
<v Speaker 3>Avengers team in the movies, but in the comics he's

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 3>been in the Avengers fantastic for and Guardians of the Galaxy.

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:48.879
<v Speaker 3>Maybe he'll be in that Guardian's team. Maybe it will

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:52.960
<v Speaker 3>be Maybe it's Scott Steam So who.

0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Hired Scott's friends to rob this house where the ant

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Man suit was stored. It is none other than Hank Pim,

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 2>who hand picked Scott to be his successor. Hank and

0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Hope then spend some time training up Scott and we

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:12.840
<v Speaker 2>get there's some fun moments where he learns to control

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 2>the ants and he learns to dive through a keyhole

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:16.839
<v Speaker 2>and fast movie.

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:18.959
<v Speaker 1>Yes is so fun.

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 2>And after all that, his final test in the field

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 2>is to break in to the Avengers facility in upstate

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 2>New York, where he comes to blows with the Falcon.

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Hank and Hope after this, then give Scott his real mission,

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 2>break into PIM Technology's corporate lab to steal the knock

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 2>off pim Tech that Hank's former protege, Darren Cross, has

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 2>been working on and hopes to sell to the highest bidder.

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Scott succeeds, but it's very messy, and in his final

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:54.680
<v Speaker 2>showdown with Cross, Scott, like Janet van Dine before him,

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:58.879
<v Speaker 2>sinks down, shrinks down to sub atomic level in order

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:00.840
<v Speaker 2>to mess with Ross's yellow.

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Jacket suit from the inside.

0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Cross then disappears into a portal and is gone we

0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:07.880
<v Speaker 2>think for good.

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Is he dead? We don't know where he went at

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that time.

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Scott then floats into the strange and wonderful Quantum Realm.

0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Unlike Janet Vandyne, however, Scott is able to escape and

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 2>return to his family and his new on again, off

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:25.800
<v Speaker 2>again We don't know what their situation is now Hope Vandyne.

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Some time later, as Rosie mentioned, during the events of

0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 2>Civil War, Scott is recruited by Team Captain America. He

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:35.080
<v Speaker 2>takes part in the fight against Iron Man's Proscovia Accords

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:36.400
<v Speaker 2>side at the airport.

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:36.879
<v Speaker 1>In Germany at the time.

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:41.360
<v Speaker 2>It is shortly thereafter arrested same Scott then strikes a

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 2>deal with the DOJ.

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 1>He gets two years of house arrest. Not bad.

0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 2>And at the same time, Hank and Hope are building

0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:51.480
<v Speaker 2>a quantum tunnel in hopes of rescuing Janet, who they

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:54.240
<v Speaker 2>believe to be alive in the quantum room. They kidnap

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Scott get him involved in a scheme to help Hope

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 2>acquire the components which Hank me is to complete the tunnel.

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:04.760
<v Speaker 2>At which they managed to do, and using the device

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.399
<v Speaker 2>as a conduit, they confirm that Janet is indeed alive

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 2>because she then takes control of Scott's body for a

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 2>short period of time. Later, after all the high jinks

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:19.560
<v Speaker 2>with Ghost and the kind of reckoning with the trauma

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 2>of Hank's relationship with Bill Foster which we don't have

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 2>time to get into, Scott in order to help Ava,

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:31.360
<v Speaker 2>who we know as Ghost, who due to the quantum

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 2>tunelling effect, was left in a state of between phase

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:39.240
<v Speaker 2>like a dephased matter. Scott then enters a mobile version

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 2>of the quantum Tunnel, which is housed incongruously in his

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:44.440
<v Speaker 2>friend liss Van.

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:47.320
<v Speaker 1>And it is this.

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Attempt to help Ava aka Ghost by bringing back some

0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:55.000
<v Speaker 2>quantum particles from the quantum realm, which causes Scott to

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 2>be trapped in the quantum realm, and he is trapped

0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:03.759
<v Speaker 2>there for a number of years until he misses Sanos's invasion,

0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 2>misses the Snap, and misses all of this, and when

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 2>he emerges in the year twenty twenty three, he discovers

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:13.719
<v Speaker 2>that his daughter Cassie survived Tanis's Snap and is now

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 2>a grown teenager.

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 3>He missed a lot of time, and that that stinger

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 3>from the End of A Man and the Wasp is

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.719
<v Speaker 3>so great. When he's in there, he's bantering away and

0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 3>then we just see Janet and Hope and Hank and

0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:34.760
<v Speaker 3>they all get dusted and we all know what it means.

0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 3>And Scott's just in there, trapped in the quantum round

0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 3>Chaptain Louis van good old Lewis I hope he's heir.

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:41.959
<v Speaker 3>I hope you say this time.

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I would be sad to see an effect he has had.

0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:52.279
<v Speaker 3>On him. Open the movie with one of his famous monologues,

0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 3>explaining everything that ever happened in the MCU. We need

0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:57.840
<v Speaker 3>to see it, we need to see it. So Cassie survived.

0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 3>We got the first version of Cassie. Then Cassie was recast,

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:04.279
<v Speaker 3>and now we have the third version of Cassie, who

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:08.080
<v Speaker 3>will all actually see in the movie. And she debuted,

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 3>like I said, in the same year nineteen seventy nine.

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 3>She first appeared in Marvel Premiere forty seven, created by

0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 3>David mccleaney and John Byrne. But we got to fast

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.760
<v Speaker 3>forward decades. She was just his She was Scott's kid,

0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 3>his loving kid, the kid he wanted to make good for.

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:24.040
<v Speaker 3>But it was in two thousand and five's Young Avengers

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:26.840
<v Speaker 3>number six where she took on the name Stature because

0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:29.840
<v Speaker 3>she kind of had a power similar to her father's

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 3>with the suit, she could change her build and her size.

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:34.400
<v Speaker 3>They kind of went through anteen they were kind of

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 3>funny names, but Stature was the one. Though, as we

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:40.600
<v Speaker 3>have learned through these trailers and the promotional materials, that

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 3>is not the character that we will be seeing Cassie.

0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 3>That is not the Oldrrigo will be seeing her take on.

0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:47.840
<v Speaker 3>She is going to be taking on a much more

0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:52.560
<v Speaker 3>contemporary monica which is from Astonishing ant Man number six

0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 3>and that Stinger and that kind of more aligns her

0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:57.920
<v Speaker 3>with Antman and the Wasp and this kind of big

0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:01.720
<v Speaker 3>hero lineage. But I'm really excited to see why Cassie

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:04.520
<v Speaker 3>goes again. This is another Young Avengers member, So I

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 3>feel like people are going to be getting there's so

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.800
<v Speaker 3>many Young Avengers now, and all of us Young Avenges

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:12.279
<v Speaker 3>fans like, when is happening They're going to happen. We

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:13.800
<v Speaker 3>know it's gonna mean, it's happening.

0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 1>We know it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. So after

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Scott re emerges from the Quantum Realm.

0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:22.920
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:26.000
<v Speaker 2>He discovers you know that the snap is a thing

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 2>that happened, and realizing that he has some information that

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:32.759
<v Speaker 2>might be useful to the heroes in this world, he

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 2>travels to the Avengers facility in New York in Louis's

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:41.360
<v Speaker 2>van and tells the surviving Avengers a crazy tale about

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:45.719
<v Speaker 2>surviving the Quantum Realm and the time traveling effects they're in.

0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 2>This allows Tony Stark to builds a time machine, which

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:51.399
<v Speaker 2>he does just like in his off time at his house.

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 2>He designs it, drives back to these Avengers facility, is like, hey,

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:58.200
<v Speaker 2>I figured it out. I figured out time travel. Uh

0:45:58.239 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 2>did you try it? Yeah, we tried it. It turned

0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Scot into a baby and then an old man, and

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.920
<v Speaker 2>then Tony's like, don't worry, I figured all of that out.

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:08.720
<v Speaker 2>This allows the time machine allows the Avengers to use

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:13.560
<v Speaker 2>the Quantum Realm to travel through time and steal the

0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Infinity Stones from the past and thus defeat Thanos. And

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 2>when last we saw Scott heading into Quantumnia, he was

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:26.759
<v Speaker 2>standing with Hank, Hope and Janet at Tony Stark's funeral.

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.719
<v Speaker 2>Be really interesting to see what Scott has been up

0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:31.760
<v Speaker 2>to since.

0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think you did. You brought up a

0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 3>really important point here, which is the quantum realm allowed

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 3>them to create this time machine. Right, which is the

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 3>idea that time reacts differently in the quantum realm, so

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:44.879
<v Speaker 3>you can go in at one point and come out

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 3>at a different point. Right. That seems like it's going

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:51.480
<v Speaker 3>to be incredibly relevant as we go into Quantum Mania,

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:54.440
<v Speaker 3>a film about a man obsessed with time Kang. He

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:58.000
<v Speaker 3>loves time, loves time travel, needs to be in control

0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:02.600
<v Speaker 3>of every time. Interested to see how long our heroes

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:06.440
<v Speaker 3>are going to be in the quantum realm, in the

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 3>quantum zone. How long this takes?

0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:11.880
<v Speaker 1>X Ray Vision will be back.

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 3>And we're back.

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Why don't you tell us about the quantum realm.

0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 2>And then we'll you know, put it in the tinfoil

0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:29.400
<v Speaker 2>hat and we'll start where's this gigure?

0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:32.879
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So we love the quantum realm. We talk about

0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:34.799
<v Speaker 3>it a lot. It's one of our favorite things. We

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:36.800
<v Speaker 3>also talk about how the quantum roalm in the MCU

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:41.600
<v Speaker 3>has always kind of felt like, is it the quantum realm?

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Is it the kind of is it like going to be?

0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:46.759
<v Speaker 3>Their version of the negative zone. So basically, the most

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 3>interesting thing here that we don't often talk about because

0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:51.319
<v Speaker 3>it's such a weird old part of comics is the

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:54.400
<v Speaker 3>idea of the microverse, which is what the quantum realm

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:57.400
<v Speaker 3>was originally known as and was the place where the

0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:00.759
<v Speaker 3>pin particles could take you. And the reason that this

0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 3>is particularly interesting is that this isn't old. This is

0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 3>first ever from a Captain America Comics twenty six. You're

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:12.200
<v Speaker 3>talking about ninete like, this is like some old weird

0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:15.400
<v Speaker 3>stuff it and it's where Captain American Bucky end up

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.719
<v Speaker 3>traveling to. This subatomic world was written by a pulp writer,

0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Ray Cummings and penciled by an artist called Sid Shaw's

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:24.480
<v Speaker 3>and you're talking about an idea that is so old,

0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:26.239
<v Speaker 3>and it just made sense for them to say, well,

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:30.120
<v Speaker 3>that's that's the that's why the pin particles will take you.

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:33.040
<v Speaker 3>It's a sub atomic world. It's basically what we know

0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:35.760
<v Speaker 3>is the quantum realm in the MCU. But the microverse

0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 3>stuff becomes more interesting as we head into Quantumania because

0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:44.640
<v Speaker 3>the most interesting thing about it is that, like so

0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:48.400
<v Speaker 3>often in the MCU with Thor Ragnarok, which was essentially

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:52.920
<v Speaker 3>like a Planet Hulk adaptation. Marvel seems to enjoy looking

0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:58.240
<v Speaker 3>to Hulk comics to expand the stories that they are telling,

0:48:58.280 --> 0:49:00.839
<v Speaker 3>and in Quantumania we have not seen Yeah, but from

0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:04.839
<v Speaker 3>what we've seen in the trailers, it really seems like

0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:08.640
<v Speaker 3>we're looking at another kind of Hulk adaptation. In Avengers

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:14.040
<v Speaker 3>Yes eighty issue eighty eight, Shrunken Hulk gets sent to

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:17.399
<v Speaker 3>the Microverse and it kind of begins this journey through

0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:20.480
<v Speaker 3>this place called Kai where Hulk meets one of his

0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 3>most famous romantic dalliances known as Durella. Now this is

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 3>really important because one of the characters that we know

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:33.440
<v Speaker 3>will be in Quantumania is gent Tora, who is the

0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:36.640
<v Speaker 3>niece of Durella, and in the from what we know

0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:40.080
<v Speaker 3>of the characters, she will fight alongside Veb and Quas

0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:44.280
<v Speaker 3>as one of the Quantum Realms freedom fighters, and Gentlera

0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:46.600
<v Speaker 3>in the comics is a freedom fighter. So that is

0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:49.880
<v Speaker 3>a very interesting microverse connection.

0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:53.040
<v Speaker 2>So we should add that when the Hulk goes there,

0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:58.400
<v Speaker 2>what he finds is like a despotic ruler who is

0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:03.359
<v Speaker 2>being confront by various freedom loving rebels in the micro Verse.

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.280
<v Speaker 2>And then Hulk then aligns with Yes.

0:50:06.120 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes, sounding very much like what we may be seeing

0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 3>in the old Quantumnia. Other things that the movie seems

0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:14.920
<v Speaker 3>to be directly taking from Kryla, the character who you know,

0:50:14.960 --> 0:50:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Bill Murray will be playing. His first and only appearance

0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:21.600
<v Speaker 3>is in Hulk one fifty six in the Microverse, which

0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:25.600
<v Speaker 3>is when Hulk reunites with Durella at micronic size. And

0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:29.680
<v Speaker 3>it is just a very interesting space to be taking

0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:32.560
<v Speaker 3>from now in the MCU, I mean in the Marvel

0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 3>Comics universe, also could be called the MCU, just saying

0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:39.920
<v Speaker 3>but that the quantum marm of the Microverse have become

0:50:39.960 --> 0:50:42.719
<v Speaker 3>the same thing. A lot of which is to do

0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:50.279
<v Speaker 3>with like strange licensing IP issues. But yeah, basically the

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:56.759
<v Speaker 3>Microverse is a very interesting deep sci fi space, and

0:50:56.800 --> 0:51:00.719
<v Speaker 3>it seems like from what we've seen of Contomania so

0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:03.040
<v Speaker 3>far in the trailers, it's taking very heavily from these

0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:06.239
<v Speaker 3>Wholk issues and also from this older version. This is

0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:11.600
<v Speaker 3>less of the cosmic kind of purgatory that we saw

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:14.320
<v Speaker 3>Janet in and this looks more like a Star Wars

0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:20.120
<v Speaker 3>style high fantasy, high sci fi space. And as Jason

0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:24.960
<v Speaker 3>pointed out, despotic leader who is being confronted by freedom fighters,

0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:27.439
<v Speaker 3>we can assume Kang is going to take that role

0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:31.160
<v Speaker 3>when we go and see the movie tonight. So yes,

0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:34.800
<v Speaker 3>very interesting. Also deep connections to some of my favorite things,

0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:38.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, like the Silver Surfer and Galactus, so I'm

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:41.560
<v Speaker 3>really excited. It's also, as we are in the Kang

0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:45.600
<v Speaker 3>the Conqueror space, we should probably just mention we're gonna

0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:49.160
<v Speaker 3>keep saying it until it happens, but there is high

0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:53.320
<v Speaker 3>potential here for a Fantastic Four tiers or a Fantastic

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:54.040
<v Speaker 3>Four crossover.

0:51:55.000 --> 0:51:57.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know who that's shranked down and stuck

0:51:57.719 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 2>in the microverse slash Quantum Realm.

0:51:59.880 --> 0:52:01.080
<v Speaker 1>A little while Doctor Doom.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if there's a world in which doctor Doom

0:52:05.800 --> 0:52:09.080
<v Speaker 2>is the despotic leader and Kang is like the leader

0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:11.839
<v Speaker 2>of the obscurb website, we need Scott's help.

0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Look, I understand, I understand the way that the trailers

0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:18.960
<v Speaker 3>have set this up, and I know that King is

0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:20.880
<v Speaker 3>going to be I know he's the Conqueror, so I

0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:23.560
<v Speaker 3>know he's the bad guy, but like, wouldn't it be

0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:25.719
<v Speaker 3>cool if he wasn't wouldn't it be cool if this

0:52:25.880 --> 0:52:28.640
<v Speaker 3>was a more empathetic King and Kryla was the despot

0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:33.480
<v Speaker 3>or Dr Doom was the despot. Yeah, I would really

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:38.960
<v Speaker 3>like to see it because, like I just love Jonathan Page. No,

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:44.200
<v Speaker 3>but I I'm very I'm very interested to see where

0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:49.799
<v Speaker 3>this goes, especially because the the correlations between the way

0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:52.279
<v Speaker 3>we've seen the quantum realm in the MCU and what

0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:54.799
<v Speaker 3>we know of the negative zone as it's kind of

0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 3>poured all between universes and a time where time goes differently.

0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:01.719
<v Speaker 3>I would be very interested to know if rather than

0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:04.279
<v Speaker 3>quantum ralm and the microverse being the two names for

0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:06.799
<v Speaker 3>these things in the MCU, it's quantum realm and the

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.840
<v Speaker 3>negative zone. I wonder if there is a space where

0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:13.840
<v Speaker 3>those two crossover. And I think, like with Kang obviously

0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:17.600
<v Speaker 3>being a direct descendant of you know, read richards father

0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:23.160
<v Speaker 3>also Nathaniel Richards, I'm just so interested to see if

0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 3>they're gonna finally commit. We know they're making a Fantastic

0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:30.279
<v Speaker 3>four movie, Like we know they're doing it, but are

0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:32.640
<v Speaker 3>they gonna lean into that here? Is that gonna be

0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:35.320
<v Speaker 3>a stinger? Are we gonna get references within the quantum

0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:39.439
<v Speaker 3>realm to perhaps another despotic leader who they kicked out,

0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:42.319
<v Speaker 3>or a portal that leads to a different space. I

0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:44.359
<v Speaker 3>don't know. I'm very interested to see it.

0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:50.040
<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about King, a character who we kind

0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:55.640
<v Speaker 2>of first met at the end of the Loki series

0:53:55.840 --> 0:54:01.080
<v Speaker 2>on Disney Plus. We met a character named He Who Remained. Now,

0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:09.120
<v Speaker 2>this is a pretty a large adaptation of the He

0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Who Remains from the comics, like completely same name, completely

0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:15.560
<v Speaker 2>unrelated in terms of like what those two characters are.

0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:20.880
<v Speaker 2>But in Loki, He Who Remains was essentially a version

0:54:21.360 --> 0:54:24.840
<v Speaker 2>of Kang who defeated all the other versions of himself

0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:27.719
<v Speaker 2>throughout the multiverse in order to bring a kind of

0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:32.319
<v Speaker 2>stability to a limited multiverse, which he then kind of

0:54:32.400 --> 0:54:36.879
<v Speaker 2>curated almost like a gardener, in hopes that the other

0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:42.160
<v Speaker 2>more warlike versions of himself would never arise to challenge him.

0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:46.200
<v Speaker 2>And we have to assume that the Kang that we

0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:49.800
<v Speaker 2>meet in and in the loast Quantumnia is going to

0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:54.000
<v Speaker 2>be the evil, most warlike who, the bad version of

0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:55.400
<v Speaker 2>He Who Remains.

0:54:55.760 --> 0:54:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I think so he managed to kill all the other versions.

0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:00.920
<v Speaker 3>And Jonathan Magus has done interviews basically said like, the

0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:03.239
<v Speaker 3>character is so different that to him they don't even

0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:06.200
<v Speaker 3>correlate as connected, Like He Who Remains as one thing,

0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:09.719
<v Speaker 3>Kang the Conqueror is something entirely different. It will also

0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:13.239
<v Speaker 3>be very interesting to know, like was Kang put in

0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:16.600
<v Speaker 3>the quantum realm? Like, did He Who Remains put him there?

0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:19.279
<v Speaker 3>I think so he was trapped there. I think in

0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 3>the most recent trailer he even says, this place isn't

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:24.560
<v Speaker 3>what you think. It's a cage, you know. So I

0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:27.680
<v Speaker 3>love that idea of this kind of immense, vast world

0:55:27.719 --> 0:55:30.960
<v Speaker 3>and that's the only place that you could trap this

0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:35.560
<v Speaker 3>powerful being Kang the Conqueror. And you know this is

0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:39.080
<v Speaker 3>this is very interesting too because I feel like we've

0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:41.880
<v Speaker 3>talked kind of about time, right and yeah, but we

0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:43.960
<v Speaker 3>know that in the MCU version. One of the biggest

0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:49.080
<v Speaker 3>things that He who Remains introduced in Loki was that

0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:53.920
<v Speaker 3>rather than Nathaniel Richards in the thirty first century discovering

0:55:54.000 --> 0:55:57.440
<v Speaker 3>time travel, he discovered multiverses. So I'm very interested to

0:55:57.480 --> 0:56:01.759
<v Speaker 3>see how that changes, if it does, and if it

0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:02.440
<v Speaker 3>changes that.

0:56:03.080 --> 0:56:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, I have to say, like as we saw from

0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:11.080
<v Speaker 2>the Quantum Tunnel, they're kind of the same thing them.

0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:11.880
<v Speaker 1>They are emerging.

0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:14.120
<v Speaker 2>Time does not move in the same way in the

0:56:14.160 --> 0:56:17.440
<v Speaker 2>quantum realm as it does in the regular dimensions.

0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Therefore, if you enter the quantum realm.

0:56:19.440 --> 0:56:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Essentially stepping outside of time, and from there you can

0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:24.400
<v Speaker 2>enter any other timestream.

0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:25.319
<v Speaker 1>I can only assume that.

0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:29.880
<v Speaker 2>So part of what makes Kang so powerful is he

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:32.239
<v Speaker 2>has access to this time machine. And because he has

0:56:32.239 --> 0:56:36.120
<v Speaker 2>this time machine, he's basically able to study millions of

0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:40.880
<v Speaker 2>years of history and figure out like how to beat

0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:45.200
<v Speaker 2>every foe, how to design every weapon, and how to

0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:50.520
<v Speaker 2>overcome every single obstacle and variation of obstacle because he's

0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:53.520
<v Speaker 2>just used his time machine to study every variation of

0:56:53.560 --> 0:56:54.080
<v Speaker 2>every event.

0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:58.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and what he can do that is so odsally

0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:01.279
<v Speaker 3>unique is, for example, I've been reading some really weird

0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:03.719
<v Speaker 3>Caang comics recently trying to work out which variants we

0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:05.560
<v Speaker 3>might see, and also just because I like weird shit.

0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:09.200
<v Speaker 3>And there is a version in the Citizen Kang crossover,

0:57:09.640 --> 0:57:12.920
<v Speaker 3>there is a version of Kang who wants to escape

0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 3>kind of being captured and being stopped. So he goes

0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:21.960
<v Speaker 3>back to the nineteenth century and he sets up a

0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:26.080
<v Speaker 3>township called Timely, Wisconsin, named after Marvel's original name, and

0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:28.080
<v Speaker 3>his name is Victor Timeley. One of the this is

0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:30.880
<v Speaker 3>like a Bover level new obsession of mine. But in

0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:35.280
<v Speaker 3>that way, what he does is in nineteenth century Middle America.

0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:40.000
<v Speaker 3>He teaches everyone there how to become a scientist, how

0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:43.760
<v Speaker 3>to make in crazy futuristic inventions. So he's not only

0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:46.680
<v Speaker 3>able to go and learn from different places, but he

0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:49.320
<v Speaker 3>can then share that knowledge and change the stream of

0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:55.080
<v Speaker 3>time and build these spaces that make him immensely more

0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:59.600
<v Speaker 3>powerful and essentially creates pockets throughout time of different backup

0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:02.520
<v Speaker 3>plans and different backup Kangs. You know, So you're right,

0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:06.560
<v Speaker 3>it's basically the same difference now And something else that's

0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:09.320
<v Speaker 3>really interesting in there. When I was reading it, and

0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:11.000
<v Speaker 3>this is something I think that we kind of it's

0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:13.120
<v Speaker 3>very Timfoiley, but it's really fun, and we have kind

0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:15.520
<v Speaker 3>of thought about it before. There is this kind of

0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:20.440
<v Speaker 3>general rumor almost it's never confirmed, but this idea that

0:58:20.480 --> 0:58:23.919
<v Speaker 3>while Kang is on his travels, he meets doctor Doom

0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:26.760
<v Speaker 3>and he learns that doctor Doom could be his ancestor.

0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:30.160
<v Speaker 3>It's never confirmed, but there's this kind of could it be,

0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:32.640
<v Speaker 3>And then that puts him and Read and Doom all

0:58:32.640 --> 0:58:37.200
<v Speaker 3>in this familial line of absolute geniuses. So Kang is

0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:40.400
<v Speaker 3>just the most powerful. You thought Vanis was powerful. Note

0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 3>Thanos needed the stone he needed the gems he needed

0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:46.120
<v Speaker 3>the Gauntlet. Kang doesn't need that. Kang has his little

0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:49.560
<v Speaker 3>floating time platform and his time chair and he can

0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:53.840
<v Speaker 3>just do whatever he wants from Chronopolis, which is essentially

0:58:53.880 --> 0:58:57.360
<v Speaker 3>a palace where he can travel through to every portal

0:58:57.400 --> 0:59:01.040
<v Speaker 3>where every Kang exists in the time line.

0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Should we talk about notable versions, Yes, of Kang.

0:59:05.080 --> 0:59:08.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Victor Timeley not notable. Sorry, guys, it's just a

0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:11.280
<v Speaker 3>weird guy with a mustache. But it's an interesting it's

0:59:11.320 --> 0:59:13.880
<v Speaker 3>an interesting use of his powers. Yes, I mean the

0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:17.120
<v Speaker 3>notable we've kind of touched on some of them, but

0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:17.880
<v Speaker 3>you have, like.

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:21.520
<v Speaker 1>We've touched you know, in different Yeah, episodes of this kind.

0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:25.000
<v Speaker 3>Of Rahmata the pharaoh. Kang wants to go back. He

0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:27.520
<v Speaker 3>wants to be all powerful, So time travels to ancient

0:59:27.560 --> 0:59:32.800
<v Speaker 3>Egypt and he becomes an incredibly powerful pharaoh. And that's

0:59:32.800 --> 0:59:35.680
<v Speaker 3>one of the most famous Kang variants.

0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:39.600
<v Speaker 2>This is like his first attempt at time travel, basically

0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the first thing he did.

0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was like, he was like, where do I

0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:44.160
<v Speaker 3>be most powerful? Okay, cool, I'll just go in my

0:59:44.240 --> 0:59:49.120
<v Speaker 3>sphinx shaped you know, spaceship, and I'll just become the

0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:51.280
<v Speaker 3>leader of ancient Egypt, as you do.

0:59:51.600 --> 0:59:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Immortus.

0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's the big one. Immortus is, like I would say,

0:59:55.920 --> 1:00:00.360
<v Speaker 3>probably the most famous version of Kang, very good green

1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:04.520
<v Speaker 3>and purple color color costume that you would love. I

1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:08.360
<v Speaker 3>would say, like visually, that's the one that inspired He

1:00:08.400 --> 1:00:12.480
<v Speaker 3>who remains the most Yes, and uh, it's really interesting

1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:16.600
<v Speaker 3>because he is a little bit like he who remains

1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:21.360
<v Speaker 3>in that he kind of becomes weary of being.

1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Like this crazy.

1:00:24.160 --> 1:00:26.600
<v Speaker 3>Crazy guy, but he's still not like a good guy.

1:00:26.880 --> 1:00:30.360
<v Speaker 3>He's still doing mad problem. He's still causing mad problems.

1:00:30.600 --> 1:00:33.560
<v Speaker 3>He fights the Avengers a lot. He also like teams

1:00:33.640 --> 1:00:37.720
<v Speaker 3>up with like really strange historical figures like Paul Banyan

1:00:37.920 --> 1:00:39.840
<v Speaker 3>and Genghis Khan and you.

1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Know historical figures.

1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:45.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he will also like he will. This is

1:00:45.120 --> 1:00:47.440
<v Speaker 3>one of the most interesting things about Immortus and why

1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:49.680
<v Speaker 3>I think we'll definitely see a version of him. He

1:00:49.720 --> 1:00:52.760
<v Speaker 3>often teams up with other Kangs, like he is the

1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:55.520
<v Speaker 3>he is the one who teams up with other Kangs.

1:00:55.680 --> 1:00:58.640
<v Speaker 3>He also is the one who tried to marry Scarlet

1:00:58.640 --> 1:01:01.919
<v Speaker 3>Witch because he knew that she was an excess being.

1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:04.800
<v Speaker 3>So I would love to see some kind of situation there.

1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:10.800
<v Speaker 3>And he also is deeply connected to the Timekeepers and

1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:13.320
<v Speaker 3>the TVA because.

1:01:12.960 --> 1:01:16.240
<v Speaker 2>He's kind of the he's kind of like the spiritual

1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:18.360
<v Speaker 2>manager kind of.

1:01:18.480 --> 1:01:20.720
<v Speaker 3>Because he kind of wants to like use them to

1:01:20.880 --> 1:01:24.840
<v Speaker 3>escape his destiny and control his destiny. It's very he's

1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:28.960
<v Speaker 3>a very interesting complex character. But again the most interesting

1:01:28.960 --> 1:01:31.080
<v Speaker 3>thing about Kang is that he doesn't really have superpowers

1:01:31.880 --> 1:01:33.080
<v Speaker 3>from being like really he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like so if if the he who remains in Loki

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of like the Kang who defeated all the

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<v Speaker 2>other kings and waited them out and now is very

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<v Speaker 2>very tired. That is a pretty strong parallel to Immortis,

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<v Speaker 2>who is like Kang who just gets.

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<v Speaker 1>Tired of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is just like tired of all the stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>he's done everything and there's nothing else to do anymore, and.

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<v Speaker 1>He's bored and he's just tired. Shall we talk about modoc.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Okay, I just want to first of all, just

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<v Speaker 3>so you will go and google it. Yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 3>want to mention the Scarlet Centurion, who is not a big,

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<v Speaker 3>very famous Kang variant, but he does have a very

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<v Speaker 3>sexy costume and it's like one of those outrageous like

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<v Speaker 3>you look at it and you're like, wow, men never

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<v Speaker 3>get cool sexy costumes like that, so so shout out

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<v Speaker 3>to him. But yes, there's lots of Kang variants. Will

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<v Speaker 3>we see them, I don't know, but we'll probably see

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<v Speaker 3>them in the future of the MCU, so keep an

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<v Speaker 3>eye out. And I think Immortus and Ramata those to me,

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<v Speaker 3>alongside Kang the Concrest seem like the ones we're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>see fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about our big humpty dumpty friend in the

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<v Speaker 2>big chair with the big head, mister Mogg originally a machine,

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<v Speaker 2>a mobile organism designed only for computing, later changed to

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<v Speaker 2>be a mobile organism designed only for killing.

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<v Speaker 1>Love that guy, big change there, I know, he asked me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, it feels like computer was a better option.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, he overcame the agents of AIM and

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<v Speaker 3>became the Yeah, mobile, mechanized and mental can.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of sad that he is not a product

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<v Speaker 2>of AIM like I would imagine since yeah, spoiler alert,

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<v Speaker 2>he is a character who fell into the quantum realm.

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<v Speaker 1>That he.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a product of the quantum realm and not some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, uh, deranged experiment by aims.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wonder, I wonder if that I wish. I

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<v Speaker 3>want Aim to come in. We thought they were going

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<v Speaker 3>to come in during one division and they didn't like

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see. We've seen versions of Aim in

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<v Speaker 3>the MCU, but they're like very minor, like militarized kind

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<v Speaker 3>of people who just have the same name. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to see the yellow suit wearing Aim, who are going

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<v Speaker 3>to make Modoc and do like terrible science I think.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, maybe it could be that Kang was the

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<v Speaker 3>one who helped him, because Kang is a genius. But

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<v Speaker 3>maybe Kang kind of did the Aim style evil science

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<v Speaker 3>that drove him crazy. Or it could just be his

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<v Speaker 3>vengeance against Scott who put him in this situation and

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<v Speaker 3>made him have a giant head and float.

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<v Speaker 1>Around big and his limbs cuts wall all works.

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<v Speaker 3>This is actually like a very interesting quote from Peyton

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<v Speaker 3>Reed where it's like Modoc has been waiting in the

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<v Speaker 3>wings for a while. We hit on an idea of

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<v Speaker 3>as we were going to bring the family into the

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<v Speaker 3>quantum realm and into contact with Kang, how could Kang

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<v Speaker 3>know about the Ant family? And then it occurred to me,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what happens to Yellow Jacket at the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the First ant Man. So that's obviously it's a

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<v Speaker 3>it's a narrative reason that he has become Modoc.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine your fucking Darren Krass yellow jacket. You've been banished

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<v Speaker 2>to the quantum realm where you now have a fucking

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<v Speaker 2>giant head head and little limbs, and you've just spent

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<v Speaker 2>untold amount, Like there's literally no way to measure the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of time. You're a million years complaining about Hank

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<v Speaker 2>and Hope and Scott Lane and then they fucking show up.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you some Monoc is gonna be pissed.

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<v Speaker 3>P I sed pissed. Yeah, I mean, this is such

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<v Speaker 3>an iconic Marvel character, and like it is one of

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<v Speaker 3>the weirdest, and I wrote like I wrote this big

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<v Speaker 3>explainer which you can read at IGN, which is like

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<v Speaker 3>a full comic book history. I read so many great comics.

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<v Speaker 3>But the most interesting thing to me is I think

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<v Speaker 3>he's almost a character like another favorite of mine, Schuma

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<v Speaker 3>Gorath Modoc. I think a lot of the love for

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<v Speaker 3>him actually is he's been in so many video games,

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<v Speaker 3>Like he has such a wide reach, such a massive

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<v Speaker 3>unexpected audience that will already know who he is. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>very interested to see where they go because to me,

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<v Speaker 3>Modoc's he's not like a Thanos or Kang level villain,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's definitely a villain you could have for like

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<v Speaker 3>a trilogy. Like he is like a villain that you

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<v Speaker 3>could really do some interesting stuff with. So it's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be very cool and telling what they decide to do

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<v Speaker 3>with him and whether he is just a one and

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<v Speaker 3>done villain. But like, good for Corey Stole, get that check,

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<v Speaker 3>come back. Yeah, have your head cged onto that giant chat.

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<v Speaker 3>I was feeling it. I was very happy to see

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<v Speaker 3>that they did have the big head and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>just the battle armor that we'd kind of seen from

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<v Speaker 3>from trail.

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<v Speaker 1>That bigot, big giant hole.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't wait to see the movie. We're basically going

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<v Speaker 2>now from this recording session to go watch the movie. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's it for our little primer on ant Man,

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<v Speaker 2>the history of ant Man and related characters.

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<v Speaker 1>Up next, nerd Out.

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<v Speaker 3>In today's nerd Out, where you tell us what you love,

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<v Speaker 3>am why, or a theory you're excited to share, Scott

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<v Speaker 3>is going to picture us on a cult classic TV

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<v Speaker 3>show by David Lynch Twin Peaks.

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<v Speaker 4>In April of nineteen ninety, ABC debuted Twin Peaks, and

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<v Speaker 4>the country was never the same. Broadcast television was definitely

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<v Speaker 4>never the same. I was never the same. I was eleven.

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<v Speaker 4>It was too mature for me, but I was intoxicated.

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<v Speaker 4>The show is dark and scary and sexy and weird,

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<v Speaker 4>and it forever shaped my view of what television could

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<v Speaker 4>be and what my personal aesthetic would be for the

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<v Speaker 4>kind of content that I would expect and enjoy. But

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't just me. The whole country wanted to know

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<v Speaker 4>who killed Laura Palmer. They were also charmed by Kyle

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<v Speaker 4>MacLachlan playing special agent Dale Cooper. There was a established

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<v Speaker 4>cast of older actors like Ray Wise and Piper Laurie,

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<v Speaker 4>and there was a young gust like larfln Boyle, Sherylyn

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<v Speaker 4>Finn and Madge en Amick. They ended up on the

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<v Speaker 4>cover of Rolling Stone that summer. Because the first season

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<v Speaker 4>was only seven episodes, it was short. It grabbed the

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<v Speaker 4>country by the throat and everyone could not wait for

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<v Speaker 4>season two. Now the network demanded they reveal the killer

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<v Speaker 4>and resolve the murder, and once that happened, the show

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<v Speaker 4>had trouble fighting its path. The ratings dropped, They moved

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<v Speaker 4>it around the schedule, and by the end of the

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<v Speaker 4>season it was canceled. But they ended season two famously

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<v Speaker 4>with a magnificently dark and scary cliffhanger, and that was

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<v Speaker 4>it canceled. We got a prequel movie, fire Walk with Me,

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<v Speaker 4>soon after, from David Lynch, but it didn't resolve the cliffhanger,

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<v Speaker 4>and then we and the fandom had to wait. We

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<v Speaker 4>bought the box sets, We spread the word, We shared

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<v Speaker 4>the show with friends, and we never new if we

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<v Speaker 4>would get anything else. We shared the lingo, we shared

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<v Speaker 4>the music, the score by Angelo bad Lamente. We dressed

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<v Speaker 4>up in costumes. We visited Washington State and took turns

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<v Speaker 4>getting wrapped in plastic to play act at being Laura

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<v Speaker 4>Palmer dead on a rocky beach. And then twenty six

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<v Speaker 4>years after the show ended, we got Twin Peaks. The

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<v Speaker 4>return on Showtime, different but brilliant, and with most of

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<v Speaker 4>the surviving cast now David Lynch, Mark Frost, and col MacLachlan,

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<v Speaker 4>among others, have said they would come back. They would

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<v Speaker 4>do more. So Twin Peaks may live on, but you

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<v Speaker 4>need to watch it, whether it does or doesn't, because

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<v Speaker 4>you will quickly find out. You already know Twin Peaks

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<v Speaker 4>because it has seeped into cultural consciousness and shows like

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<v Speaker 4>psych and Riverdale and Gravity Falls have directly referenced it since.

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<v Speaker 4>So join us in the Red Room and enjoy Twin Peaks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, thanks Scott. If you have theories and passions that

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<v Speaker 3>you want to share, hit us up at x ray

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<v Speaker 3>at croocket dot com and instructions are in the show

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<v Speaker 3>notes as always.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's it for us. Rosie.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned that you've got a bunch of stuff up

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<v Speaker 2>related to Antman and the Weast Quantumania plug it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you can read my work at ign primetimer nerdist Polygon,

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<v Speaker 3>Den of Geek. It's going to be all kinds of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>My big Den of Geek cover story was just released.

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<v Speaker 3>It is with the lead cast of Shazam, including Helen

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<v Speaker 3>Mirren and Lucy Lou and Rachel Zeggler who played the

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<v Speaker 3>goddesses who are so incredible. So that is going to

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<v Speaker 3>at Letterbox or Instagram. Our discord has been catching many

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<v Speaker 3>jokes off of my terrible letterbox choices, including seventy eight

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor Strange movie, which I cannot recommend enough.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so so it's inside.

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<v Speaker 3>I was literally like, it is so horny and weird,

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<v Speaker 3>and people are like, why are you horning for Doctor Stranger?

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, no, no, go and watch the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just about an old pervy magician who like meets

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<v Speaker 3>loads of hot Morgan le Fay like women of various ages.

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<v Speaker 3>It's wonderful. So yeah, that's my other plug. Go watch

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<v Speaker 3>those weird old pre MCU Marvel movies.

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