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Speaker 3: In this episode, we got a whole bunch of stuff
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Speaker 1: Previously on.
Speaker 2: First Up Super Bowl trailers.
Speaker 1: First of all, a thing we were.
Speaker 2: Talking about in prepro that's worth mentioning is the media
Speaker 2: companies and studios continue to react to the pressure of
Speaker 2: falling stock prices and potentially the popping of the streaming bubble,
Speaker 2: and it seems like everybody bought the fifteen what is it, the.
Speaker 3: Fifteen second it depended.
Speaker 2: Yeah, brought the bought the fifteen to thirty second trailer slot,
Speaker 2: not the full minute, and then pointed everyone too, Yeah,
Speaker 2: go online.
Speaker 1: It's on YouTube now.
Speaker 3: It's on Instagram on socials.
Speaker 2: Which is smart because they make the add money off
Speaker 2: of their own YouTube, So why why not do that?
Speaker 2: First up, Indiana Jones in The Dial of Destiny, directed
Speaker 2: by James Man, starring Harrison.
Speaker 1: Ford back again, He's back.
Speaker 2: Phoebe waller Bridge Indy's granddaughter.
Speaker 1: No, INDI's goddaughter.
Speaker 3: Excuse twist could be twist.
Speaker 2: You never know, John Rees Davies, Seanette Renee Wilson and
Speaker 2: more and more and more, so many names.
Speaker 1: First of all, I want to be de aged one day.
Speaker 3: I believe, I believe in you. We can do. We'll
Speaker 3: be doing doing something in like eight years. And now
Speaker 3: dage us to talk about when we were on the podcast.
Speaker 2: So we're also watching Shrinking in this household, the Apple
Speaker 2: TV Plus show starring Harrison Ford as a therapist who
Speaker 2: has Parkinson's and he looks approximately fifty million years.
Speaker 1: Older in that he does this movie.
Speaker 2: And so kudo's kudos this movie.
Speaker 1: It looks this listen, I'll see it. It looks fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go.
Speaker 3: It looks fun. John Williams, We're not going to get
Speaker 3: much more music from John Williams, so I'm taking it.
Speaker 3: So John Williams score. I love Mads Michaelson. He was
Speaker 3: basically born to play like a Nazi in an Indiana
Speaker 3: Jones movie. So good for him. Hope that leads to
Speaker 3: some more Disney approved performances. I would like to see
Speaker 3: him appear in the MCU more often as different characters.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it looks fun.
Speaker 2: Steven Spielberger chots to Stephen Spielberg for just collecting a
Speaker 2: check for doing nothing for just kind of also making
Speaker 2: the fablements and collecting.
Speaker 3: James Mangold, he's doing this movie. Let's see what he
Speaker 3: does with a weird supernatural type adventure, because that's probably
Speaker 3: what we're gonna need to see in Swamp Thing too,
Speaker 3: So it's a nice thing to see. I'm very interested.
Speaker 3: I'm a big lover of the original Indiana Jones movies,
Speaker 3: Crystal Skull. I don't love it so much, but I
Speaker 3: love some parts of that. You know, there's there's fun
Speaker 3: to be had, so I'm hoping this is more like
Speaker 3: you know, the originals, and it will be interesting to see.
Speaker 3: I do believe that the Requell can be done well.
Speaker 3: I was a huge fan of the you know, Force
Speaker 3: Awakens Last Jedi, so I believe it can be done.
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see it. What does this trailer show
Speaker 3: us that's new?
Speaker 1: Not much, not much, not much.
Speaker 2: I will say I'm very happy to see them refocusing
Speaker 2: Indie on fighting Nazis, something he's great at, and and
Speaker 2: kind of steer him away for something else that he's
Speaker 2: also great at, which is stealing the cultural heritage, yes
Speaker 2: of various peoples across thank you, so that he could
Speaker 2: put them in a museum animals.
Speaker 3: That no one's ever gonna see them in. I mean,
Speaker 3: either way bad. I still I know I've told about
Speaker 3: it before. I still live for the Twitter created Oscar
Speaker 3: Isaac Indiana Jones reboot while he's stealing things back from museums.
Speaker 3: I would love to see it. But you know what
Speaker 3: Indy focus on beating up nazis that's a message that
Speaker 3: you don't need right now. Proud of you to keep going.
Speaker 2: Up next Guardians of the Galaxy three, releasing May fifth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. It was so interesting that James Gunn
Speaker 2: had more Marvel stuff, you know, really than DC stuff.
Speaker 2: He directed and written by James Gunn, his last official
Speaker 2: Marvel movie Property, starring all our favorites back again and
Speaker 2: adding Chuck Woody Wouji Yes, the High Evolutionary. Not to
Speaker 2: mention Will Poulter as Adam Warlock, potentially opening the door
Speaker 2: to a Rosie favorite.
Speaker 3: It's true, look and be real. Okay, will she be there?
Speaker 3: I thought maybe they would put it in the trailer. No,
Speaker 3: I think it's more likely we might see Bova on
Speaker 3: Counter Earth or wherever they end up. But I will say,
Speaker 3: if you are a fan of the Marvel Cosmic, you
Speaker 3: are going to be eating well when you watch this movie,
Speaker 3: You're gonna be feasting to see Adam Warlock on the screen.
Speaker 3: I feel like that is something. Even in the world
Speaker 3: where Jim Stalin's Danos is one of the biggest villains
Speaker 3: in the MCU, I did not expect to see an
Speaker 3: Adam Warlock. I love Will Poulter. He's brilliant in Midsummer.
Speaker 3: He was brilliant in his the interactive episode of Black
Speaker 3: Mirror on Netflix, which is just so interesting, and I
Speaker 3: would love to see where this is gonna go. I
Speaker 3: am excited. I will not hold my breath for Bova,
Speaker 3: but I will scream in the screening if she's there,
Speaker 3: like I did for Mount Wondergre, And now I have
Speaker 3: a bow tattoo so no one can question my dedication.
Speaker 2: So this feels like in the trailer, Drax appears to
Speaker 2: be suffering from some sort of malady. Now, in the comics,
Speaker 2: Drax was created as a super weapon specifically designed to
Speaker 2: kill fans. I wonder if they're bringing in that kind
Speaker 2: of super weapon thing into the movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that Drax.
Speaker 2: Because I Batista has said this is his last outing
Speaker 2: as Drax, and I wouldn't be surprised if we saw
Speaker 2: Drats die here. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw
Speaker 2: any of them Pratt as Starlard die here. But it
Speaker 2: feels like there's they're gonna find a way for Dras
Speaker 2: to get on the Viking funeral boat and sail off.
Speaker 3: It feels like it. And you know what, Dave's ready,
Speaker 3: He said, why aren't I? Why isn't anyone costing me
Speaker 3: in rom coms? The world needs to know I'm ready
Speaker 3: for the Dave Batista roamkom So I'm happy for him.
Speaker 3: You know, Drax, I feel like he made that character
Speaker 3: into something so brilliant and accessible and funny. But he
Speaker 3: spoke about it not necessarily being like the deepest role
Speaker 3: for him, So I think you're right. I think we
Speaker 3: could see something like that. The trailer is very heavy
Speaker 3: handed on it being the end of the road and
Speaker 3: facing the music since you've been gone, you know, there's
Speaker 3: kind of playing on this idea of Quill and Gomorah
Speaker 3: and their new relationship posts you know, the events of endgame.
Speaker 3: So I think if you're a big Guardians fan, you're
Speaker 3: going to get a lot of not fan service, but
Speaker 3: a lot of payoff on these relationships that you care about.
Speaker 3: I'm most interested to know whether this is like a
Speaker 3: real ending of the Guardians of the Galaxy, or if
Speaker 3: they're essentially clearing the way of this team, because in
Speaker 3: the comics, Guardians like many teams. There's been so many
Speaker 3: and I think once you introduce High Evolutionary, once you
Speaker 3: introduce Adam Warlock, you're getting more into the Marvel Cosmic,
Speaker 3: You're getting into the Infinity Watch, You're getting into that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So I think we could see a
Speaker 3: different Guardians team, but I think this is the end
Speaker 3: of this Guardian's team. I think this is going to
Speaker 3: be a very emotional movie about Rocket. That seems to
Speaker 3: be kind of the heart of the film. We see
Speaker 3: him talking about, you know, the higher Evolutionary who wants
Speaker 3: to like make the world better. But then Rockett kind
Speaker 3: of says, in this really great, very James gun line
Speaker 3: is like he didn't want to make things perfect. He
Speaker 3: just hated things away there, and I thought that was
Speaker 3: like really powerful. It looks like we're going to get
Speaker 3: some kind of flashback to what we all assumed, which
Speaker 3: was that in the MCU, Rocket was created by the
Speaker 3: higher evolutionary and was one of his earlier experiments, So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's going to be interesting. Rocket seems to have a
Speaker 3: cute Otter friend, partner, lover, buddy, sibling. We don't know,
Speaker 3: but it looks cute. And Will Potter's looking like they
Speaker 3: painted him gold with face paint, and I'm obsessed that
Speaker 3: that is the route that they went. I'm a big fan,
Speaker 3: So yeah, it looks looks good. I'm excited. I'm intrigued
Speaker 3: to see where it goes. Will Bover be in it?
Speaker 3: I can only dream.
Speaker 2: Did you did you notice Nebula's blade hand? She got
Speaker 2: some upgrades in the time ark.
Speaker 3: I have to say, if there's one character that I
Speaker 3: want to see stick around in the MCU from this team,
Speaker 3: it's Nebula. I think the arc that they gave her
Speaker 3: is just so brilliant. And in the comics, you know,
Speaker 3: Nebula is Thanos's granddaughter and she is the one that
Speaker 3: Thanos kills in order to get the gem, and I
Speaker 3: just think there's so much ripeness that they've kind of
Speaker 3: left to expand and explore with this character by not
Speaker 3: having her take that role and having more take that role.
Speaker 3: So I'd love to see Nebula stick around. I think
Speaker 3: Karen does such a good job and I like this
Speaker 3: kind of idea of her as like a core ever
Speaker 3: evolving cyborg, which they kind of play into in the
Speaker 3: way Thanos was torturing her, but then to get to
Speaker 3: see her grow. Also, look, I know we've been saying it,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to say it again. Adam Warlock turning up,
Speaker 3: it really is hinting that Thanos might come back, so
Speaker 3: having some con I think at some point he'll come back.
Speaker 3: Will it be in ten years, will it be in
Speaker 3: fifteen years, will it be in twenty But he is
Speaker 3: going to come back at some point. There's multiple Thanoses
Speaker 3: in Jim stylin hilarious Cannon that he has managed to create.
Speaker 3: Whenever he comes back. There's like many many clones of
Speaker 3: Thanos and as they even played with the idea and
Speaker 3: endgame where we saw the you know, the earlier version
Speaker 3: of Thanos. So I think that we shouldn't necessarily put
Speaker 3: that way, especially with star Fox showing up with Pip
Speaker 3: the Troll. These are cosmic characters who are very deeply
Speaker 3: connected to Thanos. So yeah, I would like to see it.
Speaker 3: I love I love seeing Nebula. I think she's probably
Speaker 3: Her and Rocket are probably my favorite characters from the Guardians.
Speaker 1: I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Wonder if off our previous conversation about tracks in the
Speaker 2: comics being created as like this kind of super weapon
Speaker 2: designed just to kill Thanos. I wonder if the High
Speaker 2: Evolutionary has some Thanos DNA and he's making stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's actually such a good call, especially because,
Speaker 3: like we said, there's multiple versions of Thanos. You could
Speaker 3: go back through time, you know, you could just go
Speaker 3: and pick up his head that they chopped off while
Speaker 3: he was just trying to make some horridge, a very
Speaker 3: disrespectful thing that he was just trying to eat some
Speaker 3: nice food, trying to retire, and they chopped off his head.
Speaker 3: I didn't see what they did with that head. The
Speaker 3: High Evolutionary could have gone there and got that head.
Speaker 3: I think that's a very very good call, especially because
Speaker 3: the way that they played with that aspect of Drax
Speaker 3: in the movie was that Dana said killed his family,
Speaker 3: so he wanted to kill them. Maybe he was kind
Speaker 3: of this killing machine but in an emotional way, so
Speaker 3: that would be really interesting. Also, you know, there's always
Speaker 3: a chance that Drax is someone who the Higher Evolutionary
Speaker 3: has come into contact with before and created that weapon himself.
Speaker 3: You know, I think we're going to find out that
Speaker 3: the higher evolutionary. I don't think he's going to be
Speaker 3: like a Kang level puppet master, but I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: surprised if they find ways to connect him to other
Speaker 3: characters that aren't just Rocket.
Speaker 2: Who is in the second version of the Guardians team.
Speaker 2: If we can indeed say that we're not already in
Speaker 2: a second version of the Guardians team, since Nebula is
Speaker 2: on the team now and I guess Thor was with
Speaker 2: them for a little while. Well, who will be in
Speaker 2: the post I'm just assuming post Quill, post Dras. I
Speaker 2: think Nebula will.
Speaker 1: Still be there.
Speaker 3: I love see.
Speaker 2: I think that Gomorra will still be there. I think
Speaker 2: Dras will be gone. I am hoping Rocket will still
Speaker 2: be there, but you never know. Adam Warlock, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I think some.
Speaker 3: Crossover also, if we were going to see like a Nova,
Speaker 3: that would be a good place for him to go.
Speaker 3: You know, we've we've been talking about that Nova movie
Speaker 3: bringing in Nova. We know that the Marvels is going
Speaker 3: to be playing with the Cree war stuff, So I
Speaker 3: think we can see that as a place that he
Speaker 3: would be introduced. I mean, look, this is a character
Speaker 3: we've talked about a lot because we've been interested in
Speaker 3: seeing them come. But like Moondragon, that was a character
Speaker 3: we were.
Speaker 1: Talking about, I mean Drax's daughter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that is a character we were talking about
Speaker 3: a lot during one division. That definitely feels like something.
Speaker 3: And I think the idea of using the team names
Speaker 3: kind of how everyone expected them to do with Avengers
Speaker 3: but they never really landed on Guardians could be an
Speaker 3: interesting secondary space for that. Also, the real truth is
Speaker 3: that Guardians had so many members and really the team
Speaker 3: that we have is not even it's not even really
Speaker 3: like akin to the teams. I mean there's a Guardians
Speaker 3: team that has like yellowjacket.
Speaker 1: Yes, I bet you, I bet you. One of the
Speaker 1: scrolls from Secret Invasion goes to space.
Speaker 3: Oh. I could definitely say I really thought we were
Speaker 3: gonna get that, like as Guardians of the Galaxy, like
Speaker 3: the But you know what, as well, you know you
Speaker 3: could have someone like Cosmo, who we know is gonna
Speaker 3: play a role in this. They were he was actually
Speaker 3: like or she depending on the cannon was actually like
Speaker 3: in the team in the comics, Like we could have
Speaker 3: a Cosmo that would be so cool. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: a version that has Carol Danvers in it as Captain Martha, right,
Speaker 3: you know, I.
Speaker 1: Think she's probably a little too high power.
Speaker 3: I think so too. But maybe there's a version where
Speaker 3: Monica Rambo ends up in there that I would.
Speaker 1: Love to see her Nager's team.
Speaker 3: You know, there's just a lot of fun stuff. I mean,
Speaker 3: we're getting kind of into characters they don't have, but
Speaker 3: there is just so much space you have, like Cosmic
Speaker 3: ghost Rider, that thing's been in there, Kyried. I just
Speaker 3: think this is a team they're probably gonna keep around.
Speaker 3: I mean, heck, we saw you know, Brett Goldstein as Hercules,
Speaker 3: and there was a version where Hercules was in it.
Speaker 3: So I just think there's like a lot of fun
Speaker 3: that could be had with this team. So don't expect
Speaker 3: them to disappear. But I think you can expect to
Speaker 3: say goodbye to the majority of this team. But I
Speaker 3: think you're right, Themora and Nebula, that's probably your sticking
Speaker 3: around with maybe Groot, but.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, we gotta have Groot in there forever. Okay,
Speaker 2: next up here it is, folks, you've been waiting for
Speaker 2: this one. The Flash, releasing June sixteenth, directed by Andy Muscetti,
Speaker 2: written by Christina Hodson, starring Ezra Miller's Barry Allen, Sasha
Speaker 2: Cali is or l Michael Shannon his back is general Sah.
Speaker 3: That was for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was big, I think, a big surprise.
Speaker 2: And Michael Keaton as Batmanman which one?
Speaker 3: Which one?
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 2: So this is this is, you know, a direct adaptation
Speaker 2: of The Cross, a d C crossover revent flashpoint that
Speaker 2: essentially ended the DC universe ahead of the new fifty
Speaker 2: two relaunch, which is a super cool crossover, certainly one
Speaker 2: of the most fun ones they've done in recent times.
Speaker 3: It was a huge event. It's kind of hard to
Speaker 3: like overstate it was how much of a big deal
Speaker 3: it was at the time. And it was Jeff John's
Speaker 3: it was Andy Cube, I mean the cub It's like
Speaker 3: comic book Royalty, So yeah, it was. It was a
Speaker 3: huge thing. And basically it essentially like.
Speaker 1: Set was the Crisis of its day.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and it set everything off into like a much
Speaker 3: worse world. That's like the main thing to say, like
Speaker 3: before New fifty two Flashpoint actually happened, the universe was
Speaker 3: so much darker. Everything was bad. We will get to
Speaker 3: that when we talk about Keaton. But yeah, I didn't
Speaker 3: realize i'd kind of somehow slip my mind through all
Speaker 3: of this like that. It was written by Christina Hodson,
Speaker 3: who I love, who wrote Birds of Prey, so that
Speaker 3: is kind of exciting to me. I'm trying to focus
Speaker 3: on the positives. Obviously, we've talked a lot about Ezra
Speaker 3: and their troubles, and I do still I don't necessarily
Speaker 3: think this is the most I'm not necessarily sure if
Speaker 3: there is a good way of releasing this movie at
Speaker 3: this point, but you know what it is out there,
Speaker 3: So yeah, Christina Hodson, I think that's great. I love
Speaker 3: Kirsey Clemens. I thought that was such a great Iris westcasting,
Speaker 3: and she did not get her due in the Snyder
Speaker 3: cut release that we got, so I would love to
Speaker 3: see that explored more. I was very excited to see
Speaker 3: Sasha as Kara. I think there's a big chance that
Speaker 3: from what we see in this trailer, that will be
Speaker 3: the Kara who goes on to the Guniverse.
Speaker 2: Right, So in flash Point. We wouldn't do this without
Speaker 2: spoiling anything in case you want to go back and
Speaker 2: read Flashpoint on your DC.
Speaker 3: University, any library.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Barry Allen wakes up one day and there are
Speaker 2: no superheroes aka meta humans, and his mom, who had
Speaker 2: previously died in his world, is alive and he has
Speaker 2: to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 1: He meets a different version of himself.
Speaker 2: He realizes that he fucked something up and he created
Speaker 2: a world where there are no superheroes.
Speaker 1: All this is in the.
Speaker 2: Trailer, and then he has to team up with this
Speaker 2: kind of ragtag alt versions of characters in order to
Speaker 2: kind of put things back the way they were. Uh,
Speaker 2: and he's sort of successful and it's super fun. Now
Speaker 2: in Flashpoint, Barry does team up with the reverse version
Speaker 2: of himself and Batman, but the Batman in the flashment Now,
Speaker 2: I guess this is kind of a spoiler, but not really.
Speaker 3: This is a this is a light context spoilers interesting
Speaker 3: and also now like over ten year old comics, But
Speaker 3: you know what, it's a really outrageous choice that I've
Speaker 3: been waiting for them to do for a long time.
Speaker 2: So yes, So in the comics, the Batman that Barry
Speaker 2: Allen teams up with is Thomas Wayne Bruce's dad, not Bruce,
Speaker 2: So begging the question is Michael Keaton playing Bruce or
Speaker 2: Tomas exactly?
Speaker 3: Because and the thing is about Thomas, the Thomas Wayne
Speaker 3: Batman is he is incredibly brutal or he kills He's
Speaker 3: kill every traumatized by what happened because in that universe
Speaker 3: that Barry created, basically the in the night in Crime Alley,
Speaker 3: it was Bruce who died and his parents survived, and
Speaker 3: that ruined Thomas's life, and that drove Thomas to become
Speaker 3: the butt. I think it is probably a safe bet
Speaker 3: to guess that there is a fifty to fifty chance
Speaker 3: that he is gonna be Thomas Wayne, not Bruce. I
Speaker 3: would love it. I would love it to be like
Speaker 3: our Keaton verse, like suave. But he looked a bit
Speaker 3: rough and ready in the trailer. He kind of looks tired,
Speaker 3: he looks angry. Every Batman is apparently annoyed by the flash,
Speaker 3: so that continues.
Speaker 2: The action is like there's that shot of him dropping
Speaker 2: down onto some baddies and just cleaning up, and yes,
Speaker 2: we are talking about a Batman movie. Michael Keaton's Batman
Speaker 2: movie that came out in like nineteen eighty nine and
Speaker 2: had a different I.
Speaker 3: Was gonna say, guy, he loves uns. He shoots people
Speaker 3: all the time in that movie, so it wouldn't be
Speaker 3: too far off.
Speaker 2: But this felt it is possible. It feels to me
Speaker 2: very possible that it.
Speaker 3: Definitely could be possible. I also thought it was cool
Speaker 3: that like the version of Kara that we see in this.
Speaker 3: So there was a lot of there's been obviously a
Speaker 3: lot of rumors surrounding this movie, and there was a
Speaker 3: lot of talk about then this was public that Andy Mischee,
Speaker 3: the director, shared about casting Supergirl and how there was
Speaker 3: going to be a young Justice League that was kind
Speaker 3: of led by the Supergirl and you know, Michael Keaton
Speaker 3: was originally going to be in the Batgirl movie, and
Speaker 3: there was kind of this idea that that would be
Speaker 3: the new World's Finest, you know, but we do get
Speaker 3: to see Sasha here a Supergirl. I thought the Supergirl
Speaker 3: look was really cool. I thought the suit was nice,
Speaker 3: and they kind of do this cool thing where they
Speaker 3: reflect Kara being in prison just like Clark was in
Speaker 3: the Flashpoint comic. So she is our Superman here She's
Speaker 3: our Kryptonian, and I'm very interested to see it looks cool.
Speaker 3: I think, like I was saying, I think we can
Speaker 3: assume from that kind of rough, gritty story that they're
Speaker 3: giving her here, it will be that would fit very
Speaker 3: well into the Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow story based on
Speaker 3: the Tom King bilkis Everlely comic that we were talking
Speaker 3: about that James Gun's going to announce. So she is
Speaker 3: a I think a top contender to come over to
Speaker 3: I agree also interestingly, so James said. James Gunn said,
Speaker 3: this is the Reset movie, and everything afterwards ties in
Speaker 3: so often this you're gonna have blueby or, but we've
Speaker 3: heard rumor has it. Also, I think it was maybe
Speaker 3: even confirmed that Michael Keaton is gonna be in Aquaman two,
Speaker 3: and Aquaman two does directly connect to James Gun's universe.
Speaker 3: So I'm very interested to see what happens there. That's
Speaker 3: these are the questions I need to answered.
Speaker 2: We should add that we had, you know, one of
Speaker 2: our predictions, and honestly a pretty pretty straight line supposition
Speaker 2: that we've drawn on this podcast is that much like
Speaker 2: the Flashpoint event in the comics, this movie will essentially
Speaker 2: kill off the Snyder verse version of the DCU and
Speaker 2: then move towards we'd just call it James Gun's New
Speaker 2: fifty two or whatever, you know, the James Gun era.
Speaker 2: It's pretty clear before that pivot was kind of grafted
Speaker 2: onto this movie that this was going to just kind
Speaker 2: of tie together all the disparate DCU stuff that already
Speaker 2: was out there, including a significant amount of you know,
Speaker 2: Snyder directed and creatively informed projects. But it does feel
Speaker 2: like they're going to move into a new one. I
Speaker 2: think so kind of paradigm after this because I was.
Speaker 3: Very interested to see Zod here, right. That wasn't something
Speaker 3: I'd heard about. It wasn't something I was expecting, And
Speaker 3: I would assume that because there's no meta humans in
Speaker 3: this world, no one could stop Zod's invasion that, you know,
Speaker 3: Henry Carville Superman stopped in Man of Steel by murdering Zod. Shocking,
Speaker 3: shocking thing that happens spoiler a lot. But yeah, So
Speaker 3: I think that's very interesting because you're also already basically
Speaker 3: essentially creating a world without Superman, which I think is
Speaker 3: really interesting and sets up a new space for this
Speaker 3: young Superman movie that they want to do. That's probably
Speaker 3: going to be more of a classical Superman or star Superman,
Speaker 3: this kind of idea of a hopeful Superman, a Superman
Speaker 3: who wouldn't snap someone's neck, even if it would maybe
Speaker 3: save the world. So, yeah, it's very interesting it's coming out.
Speaker 1: I guess that's I mean, well, here's the other thing.
Speaker 2: I think that part of this obviously you never know,
Speaker 2: but I think that part of this new fifty two
Speaker 2: style reboot that they're going to do after a flashpoint,
Speaker 2: my guess is it will include Barry Allen exiting stage
Speaker 2: left and Wally West and during stage.
Speaker 3: That's how it feels. I have to say, my greatest
Speaker 3: hope for this movie was that we would get a
Speaker 3: kind of very quick Oh no, Barry Allen is lost
Speaker 3: in the Speed Force. Here's Wally West. Like the Wally
Speaker 3: casting in the CW is super great. You know, Kenyan
Speaker 3: Lonsdale was just absolutely terrific in that role.
Speaker 2: So we cannot forget that the CW did flash.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've done. It happened, but I was hoping for that.
Speaker 3: I think that would have been the I think there
Speaker 3: is a more holistic, sustainable, like realistic about the troubles
Speaker 3: that have happened to do with this movie. But you
Speaker 3: know what, this is not going to happen. But I
Speaker 3: do think you're right. I think that an outcome of
Speaker 3: this movie may well be Flash Barry Allen, You're into
Speaker 3: the Speed Force, my friend, and then Rolly West, Oh,
Speaker 3: you're out of the Speed Force. Nice to see you.
Speaker 3: You've come from the future, You've come from the past.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean he's already interacting with in the trailer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: at least one the reverse Flash one version of himself,
Speaker 2: and he will likely interact with more.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think it's an easy way to just be like, oh,
Speaker 2: who are you. My name's Wally, I'm from another dimensional.
Speaker 3: You know what I have to say. Okay, just because
Speaker 3: I just have to say this, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: do any spoilers, but if you if you do, if
Speaker 3: you are interested in The Flash, and you like the
Speaker 3: Flash and you like DC comics, the first episode of
Speaker 3: the last season of The Flash, it's very CuW. Don't
Speaker 3: be surprised. But I had to watch it because the
Speaker 3: end of it is absolutely insane and introduces like the
Speaker 3: craziest deep cut but new character from Dark Knights Metal
Speaker 3: and it's just absolutely bonkers and everyone should go and
Speaker 3: watch it, because when it happened at the end, I
Speaker 3: was like, this is not real, but this is happening.
Speaker 3: So there's just a fun aside. Go watch it on
Speaker 3: the CW app, get prepared for your flash experiences, and
Speaker 3: learn about a new scary reverse flash. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: think you're right, there's gonna be multiple flashes. I wasn't
Speaker 3: prepared for the fact that we were going to be
Speaker 3: seeing like multiple Ezras. I kind of didn't really consider
Speaker 3: how focused this film would be on them and on
Speaker 3: their version of Barry. But you know what I would.
Speaker 3: It's coming out and there's things to talk about, and
Speaker 3: hopefully they are getting the help they need and sew
Speaker 3: are the people around them that they have hurt. And
Speaker 3: I hope that there is a good side of the
Speaker 3: corporate kind of conversation they're having about Ezra's getting help.
Speaker 3: I hope that expands to the people to Ezra hurt too, And.
Speaker 1: Yeah, completely, I wholeheartedly agree.
Speaker 2: Up next the air Lock, Well, we're stepping out of
Speaker 2: the airlock and onto the streets of San Francisco to
Speaker 2: give you a primer on Scott Lang's ant Man The
Speaker 2: Quantum Realm, the microverse, Kang and he who remains before
Speaker 2: the release of ant Man and the Loss Quantumty on
Speaker 2: February seveneenth. We're going to tell you about the history
Speaker 2: of ant Man the Suit throughout the MCU up to
Speaker 2: where we are right now in the movies, including some
Speaker 2: explainers based on the comic histories of the people's places
Speaker 2: and things that are interacting with ant Man, Scott Lang
Speaker 2: and Henry Pim.
Speaker 1: Let's start with ant Man in the comics. Rosie tell
Speaker 1: us some history about this character.
Speaker 3: Cool so Aman in the comics. We all know in
Speaker 3: the MCU that the first ant Man that we properly
Speaker 3: met with Scott Lang, but in the comics it was
Speaker 3: Hank Pim, first debuted in nineteen sixty one's tell Us
Speaker 3: to Astonish twenty seven, created by Stanley his brother Larry Lieber,
Speaker 3: who drew the longtime syndicated Spider Man comic, and Jack Kirby.
Speaker 3: Of course, but Hank is one of those really funny
Speaker 3: characters where there's like fifteen different first appearances because he's
Speaker 3: had so many different characters, so they decided to retroactively
Speaker 3: reveal he'd actually been in Strange Tales a year before
Speaker 3: but if you're talking about him in his ant Man suit,
Speaker 3: that we know that was tells to Astonish thirty five
Speaker 3: put on that suit and kind of never went back
Speaker 3: at Man, became a prestige hero. There's lots of funny adventures.
Speaker 3: He's psychically controlling ants, He's fighting Loki with ants, and
Speaker 3: hilariously Hank's It's really interesting that we never got a
Speaker 3: Hank on the Avengers because Hank has been on so
Speaker 3: many Avengers Teams, Avengers AI, Secret Avengers, Black Ops Unit,
Speaker 3: Might Avengers, Grandpa the Time Displaced Avengers, and he was
Speaker 3: even on the Illuminati. So this is like a legit
Speaker 3: Marvel heavyweight. He he popped on made an appearance. But
Speaker 3: this is a man who, like has been a store
Speaker 3: war MCU character. But maybe one of the reasons that
Speaker 3: he wasn't the first choice to be the main ant
Speaker 3: Man is a because he is an older hero. You know,
Speaker 3: this is someone from the sixties, so it makes sense
Speaker 3: that the MCU wanted to give their heroes a lineage
Speaker 3: in legacy, but also throughout the comics, he has had
Speaker 3: a troubled past, a spy past of treating people badly,
Speaker 3: which will kind of get to when we talk about
Speaker 3: another one of A heroes. But that's our first ant Man.
Speaker 3: It was Hank Pim.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about ant Man and the MCU. So the
Speaker 2: story of ant Man in the MCU, the ant Man
Speaker 2: identity begins with Hank Pim a brilliant, energetic and arrogant
Speaker 2: but you know, one might say fairly so, young scientist.
Speaker 2: Dates are kind of fuzzy for a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: in the MCU, but when we have specific dates will
Speaker 2: tell you. But sometime in the late sixties to early seventies,
Speaker 2: Pim made the physics discovery of a lifetime. The particles
Speaker 2: he discovered, which he named after himself, allowed him to
Speaker 2: shrink or grow matter to mind blowing scales. Pim developed
Speaker 2: a suit, the ant Man Suit, and as a member
Speaker 2: of Shield, took part in secret missions that spanned the globe.
Speaker 2: At the same time, Pim had developed a technology that
Speaker 2: allowed him to communicate and control ants, and these ants
Speaker 2: often became his teammates in these various secret missions that
Speaker 2: he underwent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the ant powers are like some of
Speaker 3: the best kind of funny Hank Pim series, Like he
Speaker 3: will use the ants and we get to see that
Speaker 3: a little bit in them, which I really love, especially
Speaker 3: Scott loves to have a giant size aunt as a friend.
Speaker 1: Is fun.
Speaker 3: It's a really, really good stuff.
Speaker 2: By nineteen seventy, PIM was working out of the Secret
Speaker 2: Shield Lab at Camp Lee High in New Jersey. You
Speaker 2: might remember this military base is the place that Steve
Speaker 2: Rogers underwent training to become Captain America. It's also where
Speaker 2: by nineteen seventy, the Testa Act aka the Minstone was
Speaker 2: being studied, and as the seventies stretch of the eighties,
Speaker 2: PIM was collaborating with another brilliant scientist, doctor Bill Foster,
Speaker 2: on an interdimensional transportation device that would, in theory, allow
Speaker 2: access to a sub atomic realm, which they named the
Speaker 2: quantum Realm. The project stalled out because Hank Pim is
Speaker 2: a fucking asshole literally.
Speaker 3: And that is comic book canon, comic fucking essus.
Speaker 1: He's a fucking dick. He and Bill Foster just could
Speaker 1: not get along enough.
Speaker 3: And guess what, so, Bill Foster. That was like such
Speaker 3: a massive moment for Marvel fans and Amman fans because
Speaker 3: he is like a key part of the law.
Speaker 1: He Bill Fosters are very important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a very important character first arrived in Avenge
Speaker 3: thirty two in nineteen sixty six, another Stanley creation, this
Speaker 3: time with Don heck Like. He was a signist from
Speaker 3: What's Los Angeles, like how many superheroes come from What's
Speaker 3: and he was hired by Tony Stark, which you will
Speaker 3: see as a trend of ant Man characters actually eventually
Speaker 3: end up working alongside Hank Pim, and Foster ended up
Speaker 3: kind of show showing that he was the better scientist.
Speaker 3: He helped Pim reconfigure his formula after Pim got stuck
Speaker 3: at like ten feet he was trying to be giant man,
Speaker 3: he got stuck at like ten foot tall. Foster helped
Speaker 3: Pim sort that out, and he would later on duplicate
Speaker 3: the Pim particles to create his own powers, which he
Speaker 3: managed to do without Hank's help, and that was how
Speaker 3: he became Goliath. And he's just such a rad character.
Speaker 3: But guess what. He stopped working with Hank in the
Speaker 3: comics because Hank sucks and they fell out and they
Speaker 3: had a beef, and then he didn't work with him anymore.
Speaker 3: So that is comic book Cannon.
Speaker 2: And then he got killed in Civil War rudely rude.
Speaker 3: And the next up is one of my favorite characters ever,
Speaker 3: someone that I felt was not getting hurt jew in
Speaker 3: the MCU, But I feel like they're kind of changing
Speaker 3: that now, which is Janet vandy In aka the Original Wasp.
Speaker 1: She's founding the Great Leaders of the Avengers.
Speaker 3: Not only that founding member, also she was the one
Speaker 3: who came up with the name in the last panel
Speaker 3: of the first issue of The Avengers. She is the
Speaker 3: one who said, that's our name, baby, the Avengers. She
Speaker 3: called them that, you know. She was another Tales to
Speaker 3: Astonished character came out in sixty threes, Tales to Astonish
Speaker 3: forty four Stanley Ernest Hart and of course Jack Kirby.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite things about the LOSP was she's
Speaker 3: like a fashion designer and an inventor. And her relationship
Speaker 3: with Hank Pim as we kind of mentioned, like that
Speaker 3: was his wife, that was his teammate. But Hank is
Speaker 3: abusive in some comics. He had addiction problems, he had
Speaker 3: problems with his ego, So that's kind of a struggle,
Speaker 3: which I understand why they didn't necessarily want to dig
Speaker 3: into it, but I do think it's important to mention,
Speaker 3: like Janet was the first woman on the Avengers, a
Speaker 3: leader of the Avengers. She is a big part of
Speaker 3: why Moniker is on the event. I just think she's incredible,
Speaker 3: and I'm really glad that Michelle Fiffe is playing at
Speaker 3: because she is an icon and fantastic.
Speaker 1: She's so good, fantastic.
Speaker 3: I was really happy when the second movie dug more
Speaker 3: into Janet and her kind of impact. I'll be very
Speaker 3: interested to see when we go and see Quantumania to Night,
Speaker 3: I will be interested to see how much of Janet
Speaker 3: story they build in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, by the eighties in the MCU, Hank was teaming
Speaker 2: up with his by now wife, We assume Janet van
Speaker 2: Dyne aka the Wasp, who was doing missions right beside
Speaker 2: Hank in a suit that Hank also designed, the Wasp suit,
Speaker 2: and in nineteen eighty seven, Hank and Janet were on
Speaker 2: a shield operation to stop a Soviet missile launch. The
Speaker 2: mission was a success, but Janet, who shrunk to sub
Speaker 2: atomic size to get inside the weapons casing and disrupt
Speaker 2: the missile so it wouldn't hit its target, was lost forever,
Speaker 2: it was thought forever. In the Quantum Realm, Hank and
Speaker 2: Janet's daughter Hope would then have to live the rest
Speaker 2: of their lives without their mother, they thought, and this
Speaker 2: was especially traumatic for Hope, whose last memories of her
Speaker 2: mom are a precious thing to her, as we saw
Speaker 2: in the first ant Man movie. Now, Pim had always
Speaker 2: done things his own way within Shield uh and this
Speaker 2: was mainly because he did not trust Shield with his technology.
Speaker 2: He never he did missions himself because he didn't want
Speaker 2: anybody touching PIM particles, being involved with PIM particles who
Speaker 2: he could not control. Now it turns out Hank was
Speaker 2: right about that Shield also because Shield.
Speaker 1: He turns out he was right because Shield was actually
Speaker 1: a hydra A.
Speaker 3: Sorry, like he was right. And guess what they were
Speaker 3: trying to steal his ship, just like they everyone shit
Speaker 3: were so you know what he does suck, But he
Speaker 3: was right, He was right with this.
Speaker 2: He now PIM would about a couple of years after
Speaker 2: the fateful mission to stop the Russian missile, Pim would
Speaker 2: quit Shield in a rage when.
Speaker 1: He discovered that Shield very shadily was.
Speaker 2: Trying to recreate his PIM technology without involving Hank and
Speaker 2: without him knowing. After Shield, Pim founded PIM Technologies in
Speaker 2: the Bay Area which is a company that researched and
Speaker 2: produced consumer grade nanotechnology, the kind of nanotechnology that you
Speaker 2: would use in the medical field to improve people's lives.
Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, a fellow named Scott Lang, an engineer
Speaker 2: turned thief, was released from prison. Scott spent the next
Speaker 2: few months trying to get his life on track. He
Speaker 2: worked at a basket Robbins, among many other faithful attempts
Speaker 2: at getting a job, and attempted to rebuild his relationship
Speaker 2: with his young daughter Cassie, who who's you know, a
Speaker 2: majority of his of her life he had missed while
Speaker 2: he was in prison. Frustrated and struggling financially, Scott gets
Speaker 2: roped into a heist job and the target turns out
Speaker 2: to be some rich guy's house where there's a safe,
Speaker 2: and inside the safe there's this like weird motorcycle looking
Speaker 2: suit plus a funky metal helmet that could have been
Speaker 2: it turns.
Speaker 1: Out it's the airman's suit Rosy shocking.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we met him in the MCU, like we
Speaker 3: were saying, as the first kind of ant man that
Speaker 3: we really got to know. But Scot actually didn't debut
Speaker 3: until like a decade plus and over one hundred and
Speaker 3: eighty issues of Avengers after his counterparts in nineteen seventy
Speaker 3: nine Avengers one hundred and eighty one, created by David Mikkeliney,
Speaker 3: Bob Layton, and John Byrne. And just like the movies,
Speaker 3: he's a reformed thief and a kind of electronics expert
Speaker 3: and he kind of gets on the straight and narrow
Speaker 3: by being hired by Tony Stark. He's quite generous guy
Speaker 3: in the comics Old Stark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony Stark people high needs.
Speaker 3: He needs people to hire, he needs works and.
Speaker 2: Should add kind of a big deal because throughout this
Speaker 2: period of Tony Stark's comics history, this guy's business was
Speaker 2: like on the verge of failure all the time. Actually
Speaker 2: he was very, very rich, but but the business was
Speaker 2: always like almost going out of helas or gonna be
Speaker 2: taken over by Stayin International.
Speaker 3: And also, I will just say, unlike the MCU Tony
Speaker 3: Stark in the comics, Tony Stark did pay the Avengers,
Speaker 3: so he was also paying the Avengers and his business
Speaker 3: was going broke tough times. But yeah, Scotland's actually very
Speaker 3: I feel like he is one of the most comic
Speaker 3: book canonically like correct characters that we've gotten in the
Speaker 3: MC very dedicated to his daughter Cassie, who also like
Speaker 3: came around in the same year as Scott as part
Speaker 3: of this redemption arc that he kind of was going on.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting because, like in the movies, something I
Speaker 3: always find funny, I was rewatching Civil War recently, and
Speaker 3: it's so fun when he gets bought onto that Avengers team,
Speaker 3: the kind of team cauch He's so desperate, he loves it,
Speaker 3: he wants to be and then you know, he ends
Speaker 3: up really something that I saw that was really interesting
Speaker 3: when I was watching the Quantumania premiere was that it
Speaker 3: was it was Paul Rudd who really wanted Scott to
Speaker 3: go into the Quantum Realm, and it was him who
Speaker 3: suggested this idea of the end of the first movie
Speaker 3: him going in, and it was him who kind of
Speaker 3: really wanted that to be a part of the way
Speaker 3: that they saved the world in Endgame. So I love
Speaker 3: that he is so passionate about the character. And it's
Speaker 3: really interesting because he's still on the outskirts of the
Speaker 3: Avengers team in the movies, but in the comics he's
Speaker 3: been in the Avengers fantastic for and Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker 3: Maybe he'll be in that Guardian's team. Maybe it will
Speaker 3: be Maybe it's Scott Steam So who.
Speaker 2: Hired Scott's friends to rob this house where the ant
Speaker 2: Man suit was stored. It is none other than Hank Pim,
Speaker 2: who hand picked Scott to be his successor. Hank and
Speaker 2: Hope then spend some time training up Scott and we
Speaker 2: get there's some fun moments where he learns to control
Speaker 2: the ants and he learns to dive through a keyhole
Speaker 2: and fast movie.
Speaker 1: Yes is so fun.
Speaker 2: And after all that, his final test in the field
Speaker 2: is to break in to the Avengers facility in upstate
Speaker 2: New York, where he comes to blows with the Falcon.
Speaker 2: Hank and Hope after this, then give Scott his real mission,
Speaker 2: break into PIM Technology's corporate lab to steal the knock
Speaker 2: off pim Tech that Hank's former protege, Darren Cross, has
Speaker 2: been working on and hopes to sell to the highest bidder.
Speaker 2: Scott succeeds, but it's very messy, and in his final
Speaker 2: showdown with Cross, Scott, like Janet van Dine before him,
Speaker 2: sinks down, shrinks down to sub atomic level in order
Speaker 2: to mess with Ross's yellow.
Speaker 1: Jacket suit from the inside.
Speaker 2: Cross then disappears into a portal and is gone we
Speaker 2: think for good.
Speaker 1: Is he dead? We don't know where he went at
Speaker 1: that time.
Speaker 2: Scott then floats into the strange and wonderful Quantum Realm.
Speaker 2: Unlike Janet Vandyne, however, Scott is able to escape and
Speaker 2: return to his family and his new on again, off
Speaker 2: again We don't know what their situation is now Hope Vandyne.
Speaker 2: Some time later, as Rosie mentioned, during the events of
Speaker 2: Civil War, Scott is recruited by Team Captain America. He
Speaker 2: takes part in the fight against Iron Man's Proscovia Accords
Speaker 2: side at the airport.
Speaker 1: In Germany at the time.
Speaker 2: It is shortly thereafter arrested same Scott then strikes a
Speaker 2: deal with the DOJ.
Speaker 1: He gets two years of house arrest. Not bad.
Speaker 2: And at the same time, Hank and Hope are building
Speaker 2: a quantum tunnel in hopes of rescuing Janet, who they
Speaker 2: believe to be alive in the quantum room. They kidnap
Speaker 2: Scott get him involved in a scheme to help Hope
Speaker 2: acquire the components which Hank me is to complete the tunnel.
Speaker 2: At which they managed to do, and using the device
Speaker 2: as a conduit, they confirm that Janet is indeed alive
Speaker 2: because she then takes control of Scott's body for a
Speaker 2: short period of time. Later, after all the high jinks
Speaker 2: with Ghost and the kind of reckoning with the trauma
Speaker 2: of Hank's relationship with Bill Foster which we don't have
Speaker 2: time to get into, Scott in order to help Ava,
Speaker 2: who we know as Ghost, who due to the quantum
Speaker 2: tunelling effect, was left in a state of between phase
Speaker 2: like a dephased matter. Scott then enters a mobile version
Speaker 2: of the quantum Tunnel, which is housed incongruously in his
Speaker 2: friend liss Van.
Speaker 1: And it is this.
Speaker 2: Attempt to help Ava aka Ghost by bringing back some
Speaker 2: quantum particles from the quantum realm, which causes Scott to
Speaker 2: be trapped in the quantum realm, and he is trapped
Speaker 2: there for a number of years until he misses Sanos's invasion,
Speaker 2: misses the Snap, and misses all of this, and when
Speaker 2: he emerges in the year twenty twenty three, he discovers
Speaker 2: that his daughter Cassie survived Tanis's Snap and is now
Speaker 2: a grown teenager.
Speaker 3: He missed a lot of time, and that that stinger
Speaker 3: from the End of A Man and the Wasp is
Speaker 3: so great. When he's in there, he's bantering away and
Speaker 3: then we just see Janet and Hope and Hank and
Speaker 3: they all get dusted and we all know what it means.
Speaker 3: And Scott's just in there, trapped in the quantum round
Speaker 3: Chaptain Louis van good old Lewis I hope he's heir.
Speaker 3: I hope you say this time.
Speaker 1: I would be sad to see an effect he has had.
Speaker 3: On him. Open the movie with one of his famous monologues,
Speaker 3: explaining everything that ever happened in the MCU. We need
Speaker 3: to see it, we need to see it. So Cassie survived.
Speaker 3: We got the first version of Cassie. Then Cassie was recast,
Speaker 3: and now we have the third version of Cassie, who
Speaker 3: will all actually see in the movie. And she debuted,
Speaker 3: like I said, in the same year nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 3: She first appeared in Marvel Premiere forty seven, created by
Speaker 3: David mccleaney and John Byrne. But we got to fast
Speaker 3: forward decades. She was just his She was Scott's kid,
Speaker 3: his loving kid, the kid he wanted to make good for.
Speaker 3: But it was in two thousand and five's Young Avengers
Speaker 3: number six where she took on the name Stature because
Speaker 3: she kind of had a power similar to her father's
Speaker 3: with the suit, she could change her build and her size.
Speaker 3: They kind of went through anteen they were kind of
Speaker 3: funny names, but Stature was the one. Though, as we
Speaker 3: have learned through these trailers and the promotional materials, that
Speaker 3: is not the character that we will be seeing Cassie.
Speaker 3: That is not the Oldrrigo will be seeing her take on.
Speaker 3: She is going to be taking on a much more
Speaker 3: contemporary monica which is from Astonishing ant Man number six
Speaker 3: and that Stinger and that kind of more aligns her
Speaker 3: with Antman and the Wasp and this kind of big
Speaker 3: hero lineage. But I'm really excited to see why Cassie
Speaker 3: goes again. This is another Young Avengers member, So I
Speaker 3: feel like people are going to be getting there's so
Speaker 3: many Young Avengers now, and all of us Young Avenges
Speaker 3: fans like, when is happening They're going to happen. We
Speaker 3: know it's gonna mean, it's happening.
Speaker 1: We know it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. So after
Speaker 1: Scott re emerges from the Quantum Realm.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He discovers you know that the snap is a thing
Speaker 2: that happened, and realizing that he has some information that
Speaker 2: might be useful to the heroes in this world, he
Speaker 2: travels to the Avengers facility in New York in Louis's
Speaker 2: van and tells the surviving Avengers a crazy tale about
Speaker 2: surviving the Quantum Realm and the time traveling effects they're in.
Speaker 2: This allows Tony Stark to builds a time machine, which
Speaker 2: he does just like in his off time at his house.
Speaker 2: He designs it, drives back to these Avengers facility, is like, hey,
Speaker 2: I figured it out. I figured out time travel. Uh
Speaker 2: did you try it? Yeah, we tried it. It turned
Speaker 2: Scot into a baby and then an old man, and
Speaker 2: then Tony's like, don't worry, I figured all of that out.
Speaker 2: This allows the time machine allows the Avengers to use
Speaker 2: the Quantum Realm to travel through time and steal the
Speaker 2: Infinity Stones from the past and thus defeat Thanos. And
Speaker 2: when last we saw Scott heading into Quantumnia, he was
Speaker 2: standing with Hank, Hope and Janet at Tony Stark's funeral.
Speaker 2: Be really interesting to see what Scott has been up
Speaker 2: to since.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you did. You brought up a
Speaker 3: really important point here, which is the quantum realm allowed
Speaker 3: them to create this time machine. Right, which is the
Speaker 3: idea that time reacts differently in the quantum realm, so
Speaker 3: you can go in at one point and come out
Speaker 3: at a different point. Right. That seems like it's going
Speaker 3: to be incredibly relevant as we go into Quantum Mania,
Speaker 3: a film about a man obsessed with time Kang. He
Speaker 3: loves time, loves time travel, needs to be in control
Speaker 3: of every time. Interested to see how long our heroes
Speaker 3: are going to be in the quantum realm, in the
Speaker 3: quantum zone. How long this takes?
Speaker 1: X Ray Vision will be back.
Speaker 3: And we're back.
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell us about the quantum realm.
Speaker 2: And then we'll you know, put it in the tinfoil
Speaker 2: hat and we'll start where's this gigure?
Speaker 3: Okay, So we love the quantum realm. We talk about
Speaker 3: it a lot. It's one of our favorite things. We
Speaker 3: also talk about how the quantum roalm in the MCU
Speaker 3: has always kind of felt like, is it the quantum realm?
Speaker 3: Is it the kind of is it like going to be?
Speaker 3: Their version of the negative zone. So basically, the most
Speaker 3: interesting thing here that we don't often talk about because
Speaker 3: it's such a weird old part of comics is the
Speaker 3: idea of the microverse, which is what the quantum realm
Speaker 3: was originally known as and was the place where the
Speaker 3: pin particles could take you. And the reason that this
Speaker 3: is particularly interesting is that this isn't old. This is
Speaker 3: first ever from a Captain America Comics twenty six. You're
Speaker 3: talking about ninete like, this is like some old weird
Speaker 3: stuff it and it's where Captain American Bucky end up
Speaker 3: traveling to. This subatomic world was written by a pulp writer,
Speaker 3: Ray Cummings and penciled by an artist called Sid Shaw's
Speaker 3: and you're talking about an idea that is so old,
Speaker 3: and it just made sense for them to say, well,
Speaker 3: that's that's the that's why the pin particles will take you.
Speaker 3: It's a sub atomic world. It's basically what we know
Speaker 3: is the quantum realm in the MCU. But the microverse
Speaker 3: stuff becomes more interesting as we head into Quantumania because
Speaker 3: the most interesting thing about it is that, like so
Speaker 3: often in the MCU with Thor Ragnarok, which was essentially
Speaker 3: like a Planet Hulk adaptation. Marvel seems to enjoy looking
Speaker 3: to Hulk comics to expand the stories that they are telling,
Speaker 3: and in Quantumania we have not seen Yeah, but from
Speaker 3: what we've seen in the trailers, it really seems like
Speaker 3: we're looking at another kind of Hulk adaptation. In Avengers
Speaker 3: Yes eighty issue eighty eight, Shrunken Hulk gets sent to
Speaker 3: the Microverse and it kind of begins this journey through
Speaker 3: this place called Kai where Hulk meets one of his
Speaker 3: most famous romantic dalliances known as Durella. Now this is
Speaker 3: really important because one of the characters that we know
Speaker 3: will be in Quantumania is gent Tora, who is the
Speaker 3: niece of Durella, and in the from what we know
Speaker 3: of the characters, she will fight alongside Veb and Quas
Speaker 3: as one of the Quantum Realms freedom fighters, and Gentlera
Speaker 3: in the comics is a freedom fighter. So that is
Speaker 3: a very interesting microverse connection.
Speaker 2: So we should add that when the Hulk goes there,
Speaker 2: what he finds is like a despotic ruler who is
Speaker 2: being confront by various freedom loving rebels in the micro Verse.
Speaker 2: And then Hulk then aligns with Yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, sounding very much like what we may be seeing
Speaker 3: in the old Quantumnia. Other things that the movie seems
Speaker 3: to be directly taking from Kryla, the character who you know,
Speaker 3: Bill Murray will be playing. His first and only appearance
Speaker 3: is in Hulk one fifty six in the Microverse, which
Speaker 3: is when Hulk reunites with Durella at micronic size. And
Speaker 3: it is just a very interesting space to be taking
Speaker 3: from now in the MCU, I mean in the Marvel
Speaker 3: Comics universe, also could be called the MCU, just saying
Speaker 3: but that the quantum marm of the Microverse have become
Speaker 3: the same thing. A lot of which is to do
Speaker 3: with like strange licensing IP issues. But yeah, basically the
Speaker 3: Microverse is a very interesting deep sci fi space, and
Speaker 3: it seems like from what we've seen of Contomania so
Speaker 3: far in the trailers, it's taking very heavily from these
Speaker 3: Wholk issues and also from this older version. This is
Speaker 3: less of the cosmic kind of purgatory that we saw
Speaker 3: Janet in and this looks more like a Star Wars
Speaker 3: style high fantasy, high sci fi space. And as Jason
Speaker 3: pointed out, despotic leader who is being confronted by freedom fighters,
Speaker 3: we can assume Kang is going to take that role
Speaker 3: when we go and see the movie tonight. So yes,
Speaker 3: very interesting. Also deep connections to some of my favorite things,
Speaker 3: you know, like the Silver Surfer and Galactus, so I'm
Speaker 3: really excited. It's also, as we are in the Kang
Speaker 3: the Conqueror space, we should probably just mention we're gonna
Speaker 3: keep saying it until it happens, but there is high
Speaker 3: potential here for a Fantastic Four tiers or a Fantastic
Speaker 3: Four crossover.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know who that's shranked down and stuck
Speaker 2: in the microverse slash Quantum Realm.
Speaker 1: A little while Doctor Doom.
Speaker 2: I mean, if there's a world in which doctor Doom
Speaker 2: is the despotic leader and Kang is like the leader
Speaker 2: of the obscurb website, we need Scott's help.
Speaker 3: Look, I understand, I understand the way that the trailers
Speaker 3: have set this up, and I know that King is
Speaker 3: going to be I know he's the Conqueror, so I
Speaker 3: know he's the bad guy, but like, wouldn't it be
Speaker 3: cool if he wasn't wouldn't it be cool if this
Speaker 3: was a more empathetic King and Kryla was the despot
Speaker 3: or Dr Doom was the despot. Yeah, I would really
Speaker 3: like to see it because, like I just love Jonathan Page. No,
Speaker 3: but I I'm very I'm very interested to see where
Speaker 3: this goes, especially because the the correlations between the way
Speaker 3: we've seen the quantum realm in the MCU and what
Speaker 3: we know of the negative zone as it's kind of
Speaker 3: poured all between universes and a time where time goes differently.
Speaker 3: I would be very interested to know if rather than
Speaker 3: quantum ralm and the microverse being the two names for
Speaker 3: these things in the MCU, it's quantum realm and the
Speaker 3: negative zone. I wonder if there is a space where
Speaker 3: those two crossover. And I think, like with Kang obviously
Speaker 3: being a direct descendant of you know, read richards father
Speaker 3: also Nathaniel Richards, I'm just so interested to see if
Speaker 3: they're gonna finally commit. We know they're making a Fantastic
Speaker 3: four movie, Like we know they're doing it, but are
Speaker 3: they gonna lean into that here? Is that gonna be
Speaker 3: a stinger? Are we gonna get references within the quantum
Speaker 3: realm to perhaps another despotic leader who they kicked out,
Speaker 3: or a portal that leads to a different space. I
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm very interested to see it.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about King, a character who we kind
Speaker 2: of first met at the end of the Loki series
Speaker 2: on Disney Plus. We met a character named He Who Remained. Now,
Speaker 2: this is a pretty a large adaptation of the He
Speaker 2: Who Remains from the comics, like completely same name, completely
Speaker 2: unrelated in terms of like what those two characters are.
Speaker 2: But in Loki, He Who Remains was essentially a version
Speaker 2: of Kang who defeated all the other versions of himself
Speaker 2: throughout the multiverse in order to bring a kind of
Speaker 2: stability to a limited multiverse, which he then kind of
Speaker 2: curated almost like a gardener, in hopes that the other
Speaker 2: more warlike versions of himself would never arise to challenge him.
Speaker 2: And we have to assume that the Kang that we
Speaker 2: meet in and in the loast Quantumnia is going to
Speaker 2: be the evil, most warlike who, the bad version of
Speaker 2: He Who Remains.
Speaker 1: I think so he managed to kill all the other versions.
Speaker 3: And Jonathan Magus has done interviews basically said like, the
Speaker 3: character is so different that to him they don't even
Speaker 3: correlate as connected, Like He Who Remains as one thing,
Speaker 3: Kang the Conqueror is something entirely different. It will also
Speaker 3: be very interesting to know, like was Kang put in
Speaker 3: the quantum realm? Like, did He Who Remains put him there?
Speaker 3: I think so he was trapped there. I think in
Speaker 3: the most recent trailer he even says, this place isn't
Speaker 3: what you think. It's a cage, you know. So I
Speaker 3: love that idea of this kind of immense, vast world
Speaker 3: and that's the only place that you could trap this
Speaker 3: powerful being Kang the Conqueror. And you know this is
Speaker 3: this is very interesting too because I feel like we've
Speaker 3: talked kind of about time, right and yeah, but we
Speaker 3: know that in the MCU version. One of the biggest
Speaker 3: things that He who Remains introduced in Loki was that
Speaker 3: rather than Nathaniel Richards in the thirty first century discovering
Speaker 3: time travel, he discovered multiverses. So I'm very interested to
Speaker 3: see how that changes, if it does, and if it
Speaker 3: changes that.
Speaker 2: Well, I have to say, like as we saw from
Speaker 2: the Quantum Tunnel, they're kind of the same thing them.
Speaker 1: They are emerging.
Speaker 2: Time does not move in the same way in the
Speaker 2: quantum realm as it does in the regular dimensions.
Speaker 1: Therefore, if you enter the quantum realm.
Speaker 2: Essentially stepping outside of time, and from there you can
Speaker 2: enter any other timestream.
Speaker 1: I can only assume that.
Speaker 2: So part of what makes Kang so powerful is he
Speaker 2: has access to this time machine. And because he has
Speaker 2: this time machine, he's basically able to study millions of
Speaker 2: years of history and figure out like how to beat
Speaker 2: every foe, how to design every weapon, and how to
Speaker 2: overcome every single obstacle and variation of obstacle because he's
Speaker 2: just used his time machine to study every variation of
Speaker 2: every event.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what he can do that is so odsally
Speaker 3: unique is, for example, I've been reading some really weird
Speaker 3: Caang comics recently trying to work out which variants we
Speaker 3: might see, and also just because I like weird shit.
Speaker 3: And there is a version in the Citizen Kang crossover,
Speaker 3: there is a version of Kang who wants to escape
Speaker 3: kind of being captured and being stopped. So he goes
Speaker 3: back to the nineteenth century and he sets up a
Speaker 3: township called Timely, Wisconsin, named after Marvel's original name, and
Speaker 3: his name is Victor Timeley. One of the this is
Speaker 3: like a Bover level new obsession of mine. But in
Speaker 3: that way, what he does is in nineteenth century Middle America.
Speaker 3: He teaches everyone there how to become a scientist, how
Speaker 3: to make in crazy futuristic inventions. So he's not only
Speaker 3: able to go and learn from different places, but he
Speaker 3: can then share that knowledge and change the stream of
Speaker 3: time and build these spaces that make him immensely more
Speaker 3: powerful and essentially creates pockets throughout time of different backup
Speaker 3: plans and different backup Kangs. You know, So you're right,
Speaker 3: it's basically the same difference now And something else that's
Speaker 3: really interesting in there. When I was reading it, and
Speaker 3: this is something I think that we kind of it's
Speaker 3: very Timfoiley, but it's really fun, and we have kind
Speaker 3: of thought about it before. There is this kind of
Speaker 3: general rumor almost it's never confirmed, but this idea that
Speaker 3: while Kang is on his travels, he meets doctor Doom
Speaker 3: and he learns that doctor Doom could be his ancestor.
Speaker 3: It's never confirmed, but there's this kind of could it be,
Speaker 3: And then that puts him and Read and Doom all
Speaker 3: in this familial line of absolute geniuses. So Kang is
Speaker 3: just the most powerful. You thought Vanis was powerful. Note
Speaker 3: Thanos needed the stone he needed the gems he needed
Speaker 3: the Gauntlet. Kang doesn't need that. Kang has his little
Speaker 3: floating time platform and his time chair and he can
Speaker 3: just do whatever he wants from Chronopolis, which is essentially
Speaker 3: a palace where he can travel through to every portal
Speaker 3: where every Kang exists in the time line.
Speaker 1: Should we talk about notable versions, Yes, of Kang.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Victor Timeley not notable. Sorry, guys, it's just a
Speaker 3: weird guy with a mustache. But it's an interesting it's
Speaker 3: an interesting use of his powers. Yes, I mean the
Speaker 3: notable we've kind of touched on some of them, but
Speaker 3: you have, like.
Speaker 1: We've touched you know, in different Yeah, episodes of this kind.
Speaker 3: Of Rahmata the pharaoh. Kang wants to go back. He
Speaker 3: wants to be all powerful, So time travels to ancient
Speaker 3: Egypt and he becomes an incredibly powerful pharaoh. And that's
Speaker 3: one of the most famous Kang variants.
Speaker 2: This is like his first attempt at time travel, basically
Speaker 2: the first thing he did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like, he was like, where do I
Speaker 3: be most powerful? Okay, cool, I'll just go in my
Speaker 3: sphinx shaped you know, spaceship, and I'll just become the
Speaker 3: leader of ancient Egypt, as you do.
Speaker 1: Immortus.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the big one. Immortus is, like I would say,
Speaker 3: probably the most famous version of Kang, very good green
Speaker 3: and purple color color costume that you would love. I
Speaker 3: would say, like visually, that's the one that inspired He
Speaker 3: who remains the most Yes, and uh, it's really interesting
Speaker 3: because he is a little bit like he who remains
Speaker 3: in that he kind of becomes weary of being.
Speaker 1: Like this crazy.
Speaker 3: Crazy guy, but he's still not like a good guy.
Speaker 3: He's still doing mad problem. He's still causing mad problems.
Speaker 3: He fights the Avengers a lot. He also like teams
Speaker 3: up with like really strange historical figures like Paul Banyan
Speaker 3: and Genghis Khan and you.
Speaker 1: Know historical figures.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he will also like he will. This is
Speaker 3: one of the most interesting things about Immortus and why
Speaker 3: I think we'll definitely see a version of him. He
Speaker 3: often teams up with other Kangs, like he is the
Speaker 3: he is the one who teams up with other Kangs.
Speaker 3: He also is the one who tried to marry Scarlet
Speaker 3: Witch because he knew that she was an excess being.
Speaker 3: So I would love to see some kind of situation there.
Speaker 3: And he also is deeply connected to the Timekeepers and
Speaker 3: the TVA because.
Speaker 2: He's kind of the he's kind of like the spiritual
Speaker 2: manager kind of.
Speaker 3: Because he kind of wants to like use them to
Speaker 3: escape his destiny and control his destiny. It's very he's
Speaker 3: a very interesting complex character. But again the most interesting
Speaker 3: thing about Kang is that he doesn't really have superpowers
Speaker 3: from being like really he's.
Speaker 2: Like so if if the he who remains in Loki
Speaker 2: is kind of like the Kang who defeated all the
Speaker 2: other kings and waited them out and now is very
Speaker 2: very tired. That is a pretty strong parallel to Immortis,
Speaker 2: who is like Kang who just gets.
Speaker 1: Tired of it.
Speaker 2: It is just like tired of all the stuff and
Speaker 2: he's done everything and there's nothing else to do anymore, and.
Speaker 1: He's bored and he's just tired. Shall we talk about modoc.
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, I just want to first of all, just
Speaker 3: so you will go and google it. Yeah, I just
Speaker 3: want to mention the Scarlet Centurion, who is not a big,
Speaker 3: very famous Kang variant, but he does have a very
Speaker 3: sexy costume and it's like one of those outrageous like
Speaker 3: you look at it and you're like, wow, men never
Speaker 3: get cool sexy costumes like that, so so shout out
Speaker 3: to him. But yes, there's lots of Kang variants. Will
Speaker 3: we see them, I don't know, but we'll probably see
Speaker 3: them in the future of the MCU, so keep an
Speaker 3: eye out. And I think Immortus and Ramata those to me,
Speaker 3: alongside Kang the Concrest seem like the ones we're gonna
Speaker 3: see fast.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about our big humpty dumpty friend in the
Speaker 2: big chair with the big head, mister Mogg originally a machine,
Speaker 2: a mobile organism designed only for computing, later changed to
Speaker 2: be a mobile organism designed only for killing.
Speaker 1: Love that guy, big change there, I know, he asked me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, it feels like computer was a better option.
Speaker 3: But you know, he overcame the agents of AIM and
Speaker 3: became the Yeah, mobile, mechanized and mental can.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of sad that he is not a product
Speaker 2: of AIM like I would imagine since yeah, spoiler alert,
Speaker 2: he is a character who fell into the quantum realm.
Speaker 1: That he.
Speaker 2: Is a product of the quantum realm and not some
Speaker 2: kind of you know, uh, deranged experiment by aims.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder, I wonder if that I wish. I
Speaker 3: want Aim to come in. We thought they were going
Speaker 3: to come in during one division and they didn't like
Speaker 3: I want to see. We've seen versions of Aim in
Speaker 3: the MCU, but they're like very minor, like militarized kind
Speaker 3: of people who just have the same name. I want
Speaker 3: to see the yellow suit wearing Aim, who are going
Speaker 3: to make Modoc and do like terrible science I think.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it could be that Kang was the
Speaker 3: one who helped him, because Kang is a genius. But
Speaker 3: maybe Kang kind of did the Aim style evil science
Speaker 3: that drove him crazy. Or it could just be his
Speaker 3: vengeance against Scott who put him in this situation and
Speaker 3: made him have a giant head and float.
Speaker 1: Around big and his limbs cuts wall all works.
Speaker 3: This is actually like a very interesting quote from Peyton
Speaker 3: Reed where it's like Modoc has been waiting in the
Speaker 3: wings for a while. We hit on an idea of
Speaker 3: as we were going to bring the family into the
Speaker 3: quantum realm and into contact with Kang, how could Kang
Speaker 3: know about the Ant family? And then it occurred to me,
Speaker 3: you know what happens to Yellow Jacket at the end
Speaker 3: of the First ant Man. So that's obviously it's a
Speaker 3: it's a narrative reason that he has become Modoc.
Speaker 2: Imagine your fucking Darren Krass yellow jacket. You've been banished
Speaker 2: to the quantum realm where you now have a fucking
Speaker 2: giant head head and little limbs, and you've just spent
Speaker 2: untold amount, Like there's literally no way to measure the
Speaker 2: amount of time. You're a million years complaining about Hank
Speaker 2: and Hope and Scott Lane and then they fucking show up.
Speaker 3: Oh terrible.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you some Monoc is gonna be pissed.
Speaker 3: P I sed pissed. Yeah, I mean, this is such
Speaker 3: an iconic Marvel character, and like it is one of
Speaker 3: the weirdest, and I wrote like I wrote this big
Speaker 3: explainer which you can read at IGN, which is like
Speaker 3: a full comic book history. I read so many great comics.
Speaker 3: But the most interesting thing to me is I think
Speaker 3: he's almost a character like another favorite of mine, Schuma
Speaker 3: Gorath Modoc. I think a lot of the love for
Speaker 3: him actually is he's been in so many video games,
Speaker 3: Like he has such a wide reach, such a massive
Speaker 3: unexpected audience that will already know who he is. I'm
Speaker 3: very interested to see where they go because to me,
Speaker 3: Modoc's he's not like a Thanos or Kang level villain,
Speaker 3: but he's definitely a villain you could have for like
Speaker 3: a trilogy. Like he is like a villain that you
Speaker 3: could really do some interesting stuff with. So it's gonna
Speaker 3: be very cool and telling what they decide to do
Speaker 3: with him and whether he is just a one and
Speaker 3: done villain. But like, good for Corey Stole, get that check,
Speaker 3: come back. Yeah, have your head cged onto that giant chat.
Speaker 3: I was feeling it. I was very happy to see
Speaker 3: that they did have the big head and it wasn't
Speaker 3: just the battle armor that we'd kind of seen from
Speaker 3: from trail.
Speaker 1: That bigot, big giant hole.
Speaker 2: We can't wait to see the movie. We're basically going
Speaker 2: now from this recording session to go watch the movie. So, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, that's it for our little primer on ant Man,
Speaker 2: the history of ant Man and related characters.
Speaker 1: Up next, nerd Out.
Speaker 3: In today's nerd Out, where you tell us what you love,
Speaker 3: am why, or a theory you're excited to share, Scott
Speaker 3: is going to picture us on a cult classic TV
Speaker 3: show by David Lynch Twin Peaks.
Speaker 4: In April of nineteen ninety, ABC debuted Twin Peaks, and
Speaker 4: the country was never the same. Broadcast television was definitely
Speaker 4: never the same. I was never the same. I was eleven.
Speaker 4: It was too mature for me, but I was intoxicated.
Speaker 4: The show is dark and scary and sexy and weird,
Speaker 4: and it forever shaped my view of what television could
Speaker 4: be and what my personal aesthetic would be for the
Speaker 4: kind of content that I would expect and enjoy. But
Speaker 4: it wasn't just me. The whole country wanted to know
Speaker 4: who killed Laura Palmer. They were also charmed by Kyle
Speaker 4: MacLachlan playing special agent Dale Cooper. There was a established
Speaker 4: cast of older actors like Ray Wise and Piper Laurie,
Speaker 4: and there was a young gust like larfln Boyle, Sherylyn
Speaker 4: Finn and Madge en Amick. They ended up on the
Speaker 4: cover of Rolling Stone that summer. Because the first season
Speaker 4: was only seven episodes, it was short. It grabbed the
Speaker 4: country by the throat and everyone could not wait for
Speaker 4: season two. Now the network demanded they reveal the killer
Speaker 4: and resolve the murder, and once that happened, the show
Speaker 4: had trouble fighting its path. The ratings dropped, They moved
Speaker 4: it around the schedule, and by the end of the
Speaker 4: season it was canceled. But they ended season two famously
Speaker 4: with a magnificently dark and scary cliffhanger, and that was
Speaker 4: it canceled. We got a prequel movie, fire Walk with Me,
Speaker 4: soon after, from David Lynch, but it didn't resolve the cliffhanger,
Speaker 4: and then we and the fandom had to wait. We
Speaker 4: bought the box sets, We spread the word, We shared
Speaker 4: the show with friends, and we never new if we
Speaker 4: would get anything else. We shared the lingo, we shared
Speaker 4: the music, the score by Angelo bad Lamente. We dressed
Speaker 4: up in costumes. We visited Washington State and took turns
Speaker 4: getting wrapped in plastic to play act at being Laura
Speaker 4: Palmer dead on a rocky beach. And then twenty six
Speaker 4: years after the show ended, we got Twin Peaks. The
Speaker 4: return on Showtime, different but brilliant, and with most of
Speaker 4: the surviving cast now David Lynch, Mark Frost, and col MacLachlan,
Speaker 4: among others, have said they would come back. They would
Speaker 4: do more. So Twin Peaks may live on, but you
Speaker 4: need to watch it, whether it does or doesn't, because
Speaker 4: you will quickly find out. You already know Twin Peaks
Speaker 4: because it has seeped into cultural consciousness and shows like
Speaker 4: psych and Riverdale and Gravity Falls have directly referenced it since.
Speaker 4: So join us in the Red Room and enjoy Twin Peaks.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's it for us. Rosie.
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