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Speaker 2: This podcast contained spoilers for ant Man, ant Man in

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Speaker 2: the Wasp, plus Captain America, Civil War, Avengers in game,

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Speaker 1: Hello. My name is Jason Concepcion.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Rosy Night, and welcome to x ray Vision,

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Speaker 2: the crooked media podcast where we dive deep for dear favorite.

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Speaker 1: Shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 3: In this episode, we got a whole bunch of stuff

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Speaker 3: to dig into on the previously honest all those super

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Speaker 3: Bowl trailers ND five, Oh yeah, Guardians of the Galaxy three,

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Speaker 3: and our first look at the Flash. So that's a

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Speaker 3: lot to talk about. In the airlock, it's the ant

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Speaker 3: Man Prime. Everything you need to know from the comics

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Speaker 3: and the movies for ant Man, Anderwass, Quantumania, and in

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Speaker 3: nerd Out is from our listener, Scott on the cult

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Speaker 3: classic TV show twin Peaks a real just obviously like

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Speaker 2: the time stance. We understand that some of you might

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Speaker 2: have might be having some issues with the timestamps not

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Speaker 2: being accurate due to the reasons that they're too complicated

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Speaker 2: which is to say, is we're looking into it up next.

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Speaker 1: Previously on.

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Speaker 2: First Up Super Bowl trailers.

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Speaker 1: First of all, a thing we were.

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Speaker 2: Talking about in prepro that's worth mentioning is the media

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Speaker 2: companies and studios continue to react to the pressure of

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Speaker 2: falling stock prices and potentially the popping of the streaming bubble,

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Speaker 2: and it seems like everybody bought the fifteen what is it, the.

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Speaker 3: Fifteen second it depended.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brought the bought the fifteen to thirty second trailer slot,

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Speaker 2: not the full minute, and then pointed everyone too, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: go online.

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Speaker 1: It's on YouTube now.

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Speaker 3: It's on Instagram on socials.

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Speaker 2: Which is smart because they make the add money off

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Speaker 2: of their own YouTube, So why why not do that?

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Speaker 2: First up, Indiana Jones in The Dial of Destiny, directed

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Speaker 2: by James Man, starring Harrison.

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Speaker 1: Ford back again, He's back.

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Speaker 2: Phoebe waller Bridge Indy's granddaughter.

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Speaker 1: No, INDI's goddaughter.

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Speaker 3: Excuse twist could be twist.

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Speaker 2: You never know, John Rees Davies, Seanette Renee Wilson and

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Speaker 2: more and more and more, so many names.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I want to be de aged one day.

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Speaker 3: I believe, I believe in you. We can do. We'll

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Speaker 3: be doing doing something in like eight years. And now

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Speaker 3: dage us to talk about when we were on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: So we're also watching Shrinking in this household, the Apple

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Speaker 2: TV Plus show starring Harrison Ford as a therapist who

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Speaker 2: has Parkinson's and he looks approximately fifty million years.

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Speaker 1: Older in that he does this movie.

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Speaker 2: And so kudo's kudos this movie.

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Speaker 1: It looks this listen, I'll see it. It looks fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It looks fun. John Williams, We're not going to get

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Speaker 3: much more music from John Williams, so I'm taking it.

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Speaker 3: So John Williams score. I love Mads Michaelson. He was

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Speaker 3: what we're gonna need to see in Swamp Thing too,

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Speaker 3: So it's a nice thing to see. I'm very interested.

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Speaker 2: Up next Guardians of the Galaxy three, releasing May fifth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. It was so interesting that James Gunn

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Speaker 3: It feels like it. And you know what, Dave's ready,

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Speaker 3: You know, Drax, I feel like he made that character

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Speaker 2: this one. The Flash, releasing June sixteenth, directed by Andy Muscetti,

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Speaker 2: our predictions, and honestly a pretty pretty straight line supposition

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Speaker 2: that we've drawn on this podcast is that much like

436
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Speaker 2: the Flashpoint event in the comics, this movie will essentially

437
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Speaker 2: kill off the Snyder verse version of the DCU and

438
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Speaker 2: then move towards we'd just call it James Gun's New

439
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 2: fifty two or whatever, you know, the James Gun era.

440
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 2: It's pretty clear before that pivot was kind of grafted

441
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Speaker 2: onto this movie that this was going to just kind

442
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Speaker 2: of tie together all the disparate DCU stuff that already

443
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Speaker 2: was out there, including a significant amount of you know,

444
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Speaker 2: Snyder directed and creatively informed projects. But it does feel

445
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Speaker 2: like they're going to move into a new one. I

446
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: think so kind of paradigm after this because I was.

447
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Speaker 3: Very interested to see Zod here, right. That wasn't something

448
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 3: I'd heard about. It wasn't something I was expecting, And

449
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Speaker 3: I would assume that because there's no meta humans in

450
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Speaker 3: this world, no one could stop Zod's invasion that, you know,

451
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Speaker 3: Henry Carville Superman stopped in Man of Steel by murdering Zod. Shocking,

452
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 3: shocking thing that happens spoiler a lot. But yeah, So

453
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Speaker 3: I think that's very interesting because you're also already basically

454
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Speaker 3: essentially creating a world without Superman, which I think is

455
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 3: really interesting and sets up a new space for this

456
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Speaker 3: young Superman movie that they want to do. That's probably

457
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Speaker 3: going to be more of a classical Superman or star Superman,

458
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Speaker 3: this kind of idea of a hopeful Superman, a Superman

459
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Speaker 3: who wouldn't snap someone's neck, even if it would maybe

460
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Speaker 3: save the world. So, yeah, it's very interesting it's coming out.

461
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Speaker 1: I guess that's I mean, well, here's the other thing.

462
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Speaker 2: I think that part of this obviously you never know,

463
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Speaker 2: but I think that part of this new fifty two

464
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: style reboot that they're going to do after a flashpoint,

465
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Speaker 2: my guess is it will include Barry Allen exiting stage

466
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Speaker 2: left and Wally West and during stage.

467
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Speaker 3: That's how it feels. I have to say, my greatest

468
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Speaker 3: hope for this movie was that we would get a

469
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Speaker 3: kind of very quick Oh no, Barry Allen is lost

470
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Speaker 3: in the Speed Force. Here's Wally West. Like the Wally

471
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Speaker 3: casting in the CW is super great. You know, Kenyan

472
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Speaker 3: Lonsdale was just absolutely terrific in that role.

473
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Speaker 2: So we cannot forget that the CW did flash.

474
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've done. It happened, but I was hoping for that.

475
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: I think that would have been the I think there

476
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Speaker 3: is a more holistic, sustainable, like realistic about the troubles

477
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Speaker 3: that have happened to do with this movie. But you

478
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Speaker 3: know what, this is not going to happen. But I

479
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Speaker 3: do think you're right. I think that an outcome of

480
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Speaker 3: this movie may well be Flash Barry Allen, You're into

481
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Speaker 3: the Speed Force, my friend, and then Rolly West, Oh,

482
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Speaker 3: you're out of the Speed Force. Nice to see you.

483
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Speaker 3: You've come from the future, You've come from the past.

484
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's already interacting with in the trailer. Yeah,

486
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Speaker 2: at least one the reverse Flash one version of himself,

487
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Speaker 2: and he will likely interact with more.

488
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's an easy way to just be like, oh,

490
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Speaker 2: who are you. My name's Wally, I'm from another dimensional.

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Speaker 3: You know what I have to say. Okay, just because

492
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Speaker 3: I just have to say this, I'm not going to

493
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Speaker 3: do any spoilers, but if you if you do, if

494
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Speaker 3: you are interested in The Flash, and you like the

495
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 3: Flash and you like DC comics, the first episode of

496
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Speaker 3: the last season of The Flash, it's very CuW. Don't

497
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Speaker 3: be surprised. But I had to watch it because the

498
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Speaker 3: end of it is absolutely insane and introduces like the

499
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Speaker 3: craziest deep cut but new character from Dark Knights Metal

500
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Speaker 3: and it's just absolutely bonkers and everyone should go and

501
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: watch it, because when it happened at the end, I

502
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 3: was like, this is not real, but this is happening.

503
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: So there's just a fun aside. Go watch it on

504
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 3: the CW app, get prepared for your flash experiences, and

505
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: learn about a new scary reverse flash. But yeah, I

506
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 3: think you're right, there's gonna be multiple flashes. I wasn't

507
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Speaker 3: prepared for the fact that we were going to be

508
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Speaker 3: seeing like multiple Ezras. I kind of didn't really consider

509
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Speaker 3: how focused this film would be on them and on

510
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Speaker 3: their version of Barry. But you know what I would.

511
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Speaker 3: It's coming out and there's things to talk about, and

512
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Speaker 3: hopefully they are getting the help they need and sew

513
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Speaker 3: are the people around them that they have hurt. And

514
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Speaker 3: I hope that there is a good side of the

515
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Speaker 3: corporate kind of conversation they're having about Ezra's getting help.

516
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Speaker 3: I hope that expands to the people to Ezra hurt too, And.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, completely, I wholeheartedly agree.

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Speaker 2: Up next the air Lock, Well, we're stepping out of

519
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: the airlock and onto the streets of San Francisco to

520
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: give you a primer on Scott Lang's ant Man The

521
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: Quantum Realm, the microverse, Kang and he who remains before

522
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: the release of ant Man and the Loss Quantumty on

523
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Speaker 2: February seveneenth. We're going to tell you about the history

524
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Speaker 2: of ant Man the Suit throughout the MCU up to

525
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Speaker 2: where we are right now in the movies, including some

526
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Speaker 2: explainers based on the comic histories of the people's places

527
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Speaker 2: and things that are interacting with ant Man, Scott Lang

528
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Speaker 2: and Henry Pim.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with ant Man in the comics. Rosie tell

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Speaker 1: us some history about this character.

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Speaker 3: Cool so Aman in the comics. We all know in

532
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Speaker 3: the MCU that the first ant Man that we properly

533
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 3: met with Scott Lang, but in the comics it was

534
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: Hank Pim, first debuted in nineteen sixty one's tell Us

535
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Speaker 3: to Astonish twenty seven, created by Stanley his brother Larry Lieber,

536
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Speaker 3: who drew the longtime syndicated Spider Man comic, and Jack Kirby.

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Speaker 3: Of course, but Hank is one of those really funny

538
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Speaker 3: characters where there's like fifteen different first appearances because he's

539
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 3: had so many different characters, so they decided to retroactively

540
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Speaker 3: reveal he'd actually been in Strange Tales a year before

541
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Speaker 3: but if you're talking about him in his ant Man suit,

542
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Speaker 3: that we know that was tells to Astonish thirty five

543
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: put on that suit and kind of never went back

544
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 3: at Man, became a prestige hero. There's lots of funny adventures.

545
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 3: He's psychically controlling ants, He's fighting Loki with ants, and

546
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Speaker 3: hilariously Hank's It's really interesting that we never got a

547
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: Hank on the Avengers because Hank has been on so

548
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Speaker 3: many Avengers Teams, Avengers AI, Secret Avengers, Black Ops Unit,

549
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Speaker 3: Might Avengers, Grandpa the Time Displaced Avengers, and he was

550
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: even on the Illuminati. So this is like a legit

551
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: Marvel heavyweight. He he popped on made an appearance. But

552
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: this is a man who, like has been a store

553
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: war MCU character. But maybe one of the reasons that

554
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: he wasn't the first choice to be the main ant

555
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Speaker 3: Man is a because he is an older hero. You know,

556
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Speaker 3: this is someone from the sixties, so it makes sense

557
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: that the MCU wanted to give their heroes a lineage

558
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 3: in legacy, but also throughout the comics, he has had

559
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Speaker 3: a troubled past, a spy past of treating people badly,

560
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Speaker 3: which will kind of get to when we talk about

561
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: another one of A heroes. But that's our first ant Man.

562
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Speaker 3: It was Hank Pim.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about ant Man and the MCU. So the

564
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Speaker 2: story of ant Man in the MCU, the ant Man

565
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: identity begins with Hank Pim a brilliant, energetic and arrogant

566
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Speaker 2: but you know, one might say fairly so, young scientist.

567
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Speaker 2: Dates are kind of fuzzy for a lot of stuff

568
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: in the MCU, but when we have specific dates will

569
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Speaker 2: tell you. But sometime in the late sixties to early seventies,

570
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Speaker 2: Pim made the physics discovery of a lifetime. The particles

571
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Speaker 2: he discovered, which he named after himself, allowed him to

572
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: shrink or grow matter to mind blowing scales. Pim developed

573
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Speaker 2: a suit, the ant Man Suit, and as a member

574
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Speaker 2: of Shield, took part in secret missions that spanned the globe.

575
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Speaker 2: At the same time, Pim had developed a technology that

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Speaker 2: allowed him to communicate and control ants, and these ants

577
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 2: often became his teammates in these various secret missions that

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Speaker 2: he underwent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the ant powers are like some of

580
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Speaker 3: the best kind of funny Hank Pim series, Like he

581
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: will use the ants and we get to see that

582
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Speaker 3: a little bit in them, which I really love, especially

583
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Speaker 3: Scott loves to have a giant size aunt as a friend.

584
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Speaker 1: Is fun.

585
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Speaker 3: It's a really, really good stuff.

586
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Speaker 2: By nineteen seventy, PIM was working out of the Secret

587
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Speaker 2: Shield Lab at Camp Lee High in New Jersey. You

588
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: might remember this military base is the place that Steve

589
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: Rogers underwent training to become Captain America. It's also where

590
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: by nineteen seventy, the Testa Act aka the Minstone was

591
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: being studied, and as the seventies stretch of the eighties,

592
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: PIM was collaborating with another brilliant scientist, doctor Bill Foster,

593
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Speaker 2: on an interdimensional transportation device that would, in theory, allow

594
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Speaker 2: access to a sub atomic realm, which they named the

595
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Speaker 2: quantum Realm. The project stalled out because Hank Pim is

596
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Speaker 2: a fucking asshole literally.

597
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: And that is comic book canon, comic fucking essus.

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Speaker 1: He's a fucking dick. He and Bill Foster just could

599
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: not get along enough.

600
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Speaker 3: And guess what, so, Bill Foster. That was like such

601
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: a massive moment for Marvel fans and Amman fans because

602
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: he is like a key part of the law.

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Speaker 1: He Bill Fosters are very important.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a very important character first arrived in Avenge

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Speaker 3: thirty two in nineteen sixty six, another Stanley creation, this

606
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Speaker 3: time with Don heck Like. He was a signist from

607
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Speaker 3: What's Los Angeles, like how many superheroes come from What's

608
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 3: and he was hired by Tony Stark, which you will

609
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Speaker 3: see as a trend of ant Man characters actually eventually

610
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: end up working alongside Hank Pim, and Foster ended up

611
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: kind of show showing that he was the better scientist.

612
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: He helped Pim reconfigure his formula after Pim got stuck

613
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: at like ten feet he was trying to be giant man,

614
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: he got stuck at like ten foot tall. Foster helped

615
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: Pim sort that out, and he would later on duplicate

616
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: the Pim particles to create his own powers, which he

617
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: managed to do without Hank's help, and that was how

618
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Speaker 3: he became Goliath. And he's just such a rad character.

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Speaker 3: But guess what. He stopped working with Hank in the

620
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Speaker 3: comics because Hank sucks and they fell out and they

621
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 3: had a beef, and then he didn't work with him anymore.

622
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Speaker 3: So that is comic book Cannon.

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Speaker 2: And then he got killed in Civil War rudely rude.

624
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: And the next up is one of my favorite characters ever,

625
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: someone that I felt was not getting hurt jew in

626
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 3: the MCU, But I feel like they're kind of changing

627
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: that now, which is Janet vandy In aka the Original Wasp.

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Speaker 1: She's founding the Great Leaders of the Avengers.

629
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Speaker 3: Not only that founding member, also she was the one

630
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Speaker 3: who came up with the name in the last panel

631
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Speaker 3: of the first issue of The Avengers. She is the

632
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Speaker 3: one who said, that's our name, baby, the Avengers. She

633
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 3: called them that, you know. She was another Tales to

634
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Speaker 3: Astonished character came out in sixty threes, Tales to Astonish

635
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Speaker 3: forty four Stanley Ernest Hart and of course Jack Kirby.

636
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Speaker 3: One of my favorite things about the LOSP was she's

637
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Speaker 3: like a fashion designer and an inventor. And her relationship

638
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: with Hank Pim as we kind of mentioned, like that

639
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: was his wife, that was his teammate. But Hank is

640
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 3: abusive in some comics. He had addiction problems, he had

641
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Speaker 3: problems with his ego, So that's kind of a struggle,

642
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Speaker 3: which I understand why they didn't necessarily want to dig

643
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Speaker 3: into it, but I do think it's important to mention,

644
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: like Janet was the first woman on the Avengers, a

645
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Speaker 3: leader of the Avengers. She is a big part of

646
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Speaker 3: why Moniker is on the event. I just think she's incredible,

647
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: and I'm really glad that Michelle Fiffe is playing at

648
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Speaker 3: because she is an icon and fantastic.

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Speaker 1: She's so good, fantastic.

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Speaker 3: I was really happy when the second movie dug more

651
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: into Janet and her kind of impact. I'll be very

652
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: interested to see when we go and see Quantumania to Night,

653
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: I will be interested to see how much of Janet

654
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: story they build in.

655
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

656
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: So, by the eighties in the MCU, Hank was teaming

657
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 2: up with his by now wife, We assume Janet van

658
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 2: Dyne aka the Wasp, who was doing missions right beside

659
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 2: Hank in a suit that Hank also designed, the Wasp suit,

660
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: and in nineteen eighty seven, Hank and Janet were on

661
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: a shield operation to stop a Soviet missile launch. The

662
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: mission was a success, but Janet, who shrunk to sub

663
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: atomic size to get inside the weapons casing and disrupt

664
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: the missile so it wouldn't hit its target, was lost forever,

665
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: it was thought forever. In the Quantum Realm, Hank and

666
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: Janet's daughter Hope would then have to live the rest

667
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: of their lives without their mother, they thought, and this

668
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: was especially traumatic for Hope, whose last memories of her

669
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: mom are a precious thing to her, as we saw

670
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 2: in the first ant Man movie. Now, Pim had always

671
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: done things his own way within Shield uh and this

672
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: was mainly because he did not trust Shield with his technology.

673
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: He never he did missions himself because he didn't want

674
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: anybody touching PIM particles, being involved with PIM particles who

675
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: he could not control. Now it turns out Hank was

676
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: right about that Shield also because Shield.

677
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: He turns out he was right because Shield was actually

678
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: a hydra A.

679
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: Sorry, like he was right. And guess what they were

680
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: trying to steal his ship, just like they everyone shit

681
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: were so you know what he does suck, But he

682
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: was right, He was right with this.

683
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: He now PIM would about a couple of years after

684
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 2: the fateful mission to stop the Russian missile, Pim would

685
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: quit Shield in a rage when.

686
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: He discovered that Shield very shadily was.

687
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: Trying to recreate his PIM technology without involving Hank and

688
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: without him knowing. After Shield, Pim founded PIM Technologies in

689
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: the Bay Area which is a company that researched and

690
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: produced consumer grade nanotechnology, the kind of nanotechnology that you

691
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: would use in the medical field to improve people's lives.

692
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, a fellow named Scott Lang, an engineer

693
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: turned thief, was released from prison. Scott spent the next

694
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: few months trying to get his life on track. He

695
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: worked at a basket Robbins, among many other faithful attempts

696
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: at getting a job, and attempted to rebuild his relationship

697
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: with his young daughter Cassie, who who's you know, a

698
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: majority of his of her life he had missed while

699
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 2: he was in prison. Frustrated and struggling financially, Scott gets

700
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: roped into a heist job and the target turns out

701
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: to be some rich guy's house where there's a safe,

702
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: and inside the safe there's this like weird motorcycle looking

703
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 2: suit plus a funky metal helmet that could have been

704
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: it turns.

705
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: Out it's the airman's suit Rosy shocking.

706
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, we met him in the MCU, like we

707
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: were saying, as the first kind of ant man that

708
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 3: we really got to know. But Scot actually didn't debut

709
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: until like a decade plus and over one hundred and

710
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: eighty issues of Avengers after his counterparts in nineteen seventy

711
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: nine Avengers one hundred and eighty one, created by David Mikkeliney,

712
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: Bob Layton, and John Byrne. And just like the movies,

713
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: he's a reformed thief and a kind of electronics expert

714
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 3: and he kind of gets on the straight and narrow

715
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: by being hired by Tony Stark. He's quite generous guy

716
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: in the comics Old Stark.

717
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony Stark people high needs.

718
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: He needs people to hire, he needs works and.

719
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: Should add kind of a big deal because throughout this

720
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: period of Tony Stark's comics history, this guy's business was

721
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: like on the verge of failure all the time. Actually

722
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: he was very, very rich, but but the business was

723
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: always like almost going out of helas or gonna be

724
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: taken over by Stayin International.

725
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: And also, I will just say, unlike the MCU Tony

726
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 3: Stark in the comics, Tony Stark did pay the Avengers,

727
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: so he was also paying the Avengers and his business

728
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 3: was going broke tough times. But yeah, Scotland's actually very

729
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: I feel like he is one of the most comic

730
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 3: book canonically like correct characters that we've gotten in the

731
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: MC very dedicated to his daughter Cassie, who also like

732
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: came around in the same year as Scott as part

733
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 3: of this redemption arc that he kind of was going on.

734
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: And it's interesting because, like in the movies, something I

735
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: always find funny, I was rewatching Civil War recently, and

736
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: it's so fun when he gets bought onto that Avengers team,

737
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: the kind of team cauch He's so desperate, he loves it,

738
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: he wants to be and then you know, he ends

739
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: up really something that I saw that was really interesting

740
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 3: when I was watching the Quantumania premiere was that it

741
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 3: was it was Paul Rudd who really wanted Scott to

742
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: go into the Quantum Realm, and it was him who

743
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 3: suggested this idea of the end of the first movie

744
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: him going in, and it was him who kind of

745
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: really wanted that to be a part of the way

746
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: that they saved the world in Endgame. So I love

747
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: that he is so passionate about the character. And it's

748
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: really interesting because he's still on the outskirts of the

749
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: Avengers team in the movies, but in the comics he's

750
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: been in the Avengers fantastic for and Guardians of the Galaxy.

751
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 3: Maybe he'll be in that Guardian's team. Maybe it will

752
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: be Maybe it's Scott Steam So who.

753
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: Hired Scott's friends to rob this house where the ant

754
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: Man suit was stored. It is none other than Hank Pim,

755
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: who hand picked Scott to be his successor. Hank and

756
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: Hope then spend some time training up Scott and we

757
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: get there's some fun moments where he learns to control

758
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: the ants and he learns to dive through a keyhole

759
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: and fast movie.

760
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 1: Yes is so fun.

761
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: And after all that, his final test in the field

762
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: is to break in to the Avengers facility in upstate

763
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: New York, where he comes to blows with the Falcon.

764
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: Hank and Hope after this, then give Scott his real mission,

765
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: break into PIM Technology's corporate lab to steal the knock

766
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: off pim Tech that Hank's former protege, Darren Cross, has

767
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: been working on and hopes to sell to the highest bidder.

768
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: Scott succeeds, but it's very messy, and in his final

769
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: showdown with Cross, Scott, like Janet van Dine before him,

770
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 2: sinks down, shrinks down to sub atomic level in order

771
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: to mess with Ross's yellow.

772
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: Jacket suit from the inside.

773
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: Cross then disappears into a portal and is gone we

774
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: think for good.

775
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: Is he dead? We don't know where he went at

776
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: that time.

777
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: Scott then floats into the strange and wonderful Quantum Realm.

778
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: Unlike Janet Vandyne, however, Scott is able to escape and

779
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: return to his family and his new on again, off

780
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 2: again We don't know what their situation is now Hope Vandyne.

781
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: Some time later, as Rosie mentioned, during the events of

782
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: Civil War, Scott is recruited by Team Captain America. He

783
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: takes part in the fight against Iron Man's Proscovia Accords

784
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: side at the airport.

785
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: In Germany at the time.

786
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 2: It is shortly thereafter arrested same Scott then strikes a

787
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: deal with the DOJ.

788
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: He gets two years of house arrest. Not bad.

789
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: And at the same time, Hank and Hope are building

790
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: a quantum tunnel in hopes of rescuing Janet, who they

791
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 2: believe to be alive in the quantum room. They kidnap

792
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: Scott get him involved in a scheme to help Hope

793
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: acquire the components which Hank me is to complete the tunnel.

794
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 2: At which they managed to do, and using the device

795
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 2: as a conduit, they confirm that Janet is indeed alive

796
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: because she then takes control of Scott's body for a

797
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: short period of time. Later, after all the high jinks

798
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: with Ghost and the kind of reckoning with the trauma

799
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: of Hank's relationship with Bill Foster which we don't have

800
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: time to get into, Scott in order to help Ava,

801
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: who we know as Ghost, who due to the quantum

802
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: tunelling effect, was left in a state of between phase

803
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: like a dephased matter. Scott then enters a mobile version

804
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: of the quantum Tunnel, which is housed incongruously in his

805
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: friend liss Van.

806
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: And it is this.

807
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: Attempt to help Ava aka Ghost by bringing back some

808
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: quantum particles from the quantum realm, which causes Scott to

809
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: be trapped in the quantum realm, and he is trapped

810
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: there for a number of years until he misses Sanos's invasion,

811
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: misses the Snap, and misses all of this, and when

812
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: he emerges in the year twenty twenty three, he discovers

813
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: that his daughter Cassie survived Tanis's Snap and is now

814
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: a grown teenager.

815
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: He missed a lot of time, and that that stinger

816
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: from the End of A Man and the Wasp is

817
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: so great. When he's in there, he's bantering away and

818
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: then we just see Janet and Hope and Hank and

819
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 3: they all get dusted and we all know what it means.

820
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: And Scott's just in there, trapped in the quantum round

821
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 3: Chaptain Louis van good old Lewis I hope he's heir.

822
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:41,959
Speaker 3: I hope you say this time.

823
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: I would be sad to see an effect he has had.

824
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: On him. Open the movie with one of his famous monologues,

825
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: explaining everything that ever happened in the MCU. We need

826
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 3: to see it, we need to see it. So Cassie survived.

827
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: We got the first version of Cassie. Then Cassie was recast,

828
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 3: and now we have the third version of Cassie, who

829
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 3: will all actually see in the movie. And she debuted,

830
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: like I said, in the same year nineteen seventy nine.

831
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: She first appeared in Marvel Premiere forty seven, created by

832
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: David mccleaney and John Byrne. But we got to fast

833
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 3: forward decades. She was just his She was Scott's kid,

834
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: his loving kid, the kid he wanted to make good for.

835
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: But it was in two thousand and five's Young Avengers

836
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 3: number six where she took on the name Stature because

837
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 3: she kind of had a power similar to her father's

838
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: with the suit, she could change her build and her size.

839
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 3: They kind of went through anteen they were kind of

840
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 3: funny names, but Stature was the one. Though, as we

841
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 3: have learned through these trailers and the promotional materials, that

842
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: is not the character that we will be seeing Cassie.

843
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: That is not the Oldrrigo will be seeing her take on.

844
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 3: She is going to be taking on a much more

845
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: contemporary monica which is from Astonishing ant Man number six

846
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 3: and that Stinger and that kind of more aligns her

847
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: with Antman and the Wasp and this kind of big

848
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 3: hero lineage. But I'm really excited to see why Cassie

849
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: goes again. This is another Young Avengers member, So I

850
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 3: feel like people are going to be getting there's so

851
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 3: many Young Avengers now, and all of us Young Avenges

852
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: fans like, when is happening They're going to happen. We

853
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 3: know it's gonna mean, it's happening.

854
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: We know it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. So after

855
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: Scott re emerges from the Quantum Realm.

856
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

857
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: He discovers you know that the snap is a thing

858
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: that happened, and realizing that he has some information that

859
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: might be useful to the heroes in this world, he

860
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: travels to the Avengers facility in New York in Louis's

861
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: van and tells the surviving Avengers a crazy tale about

862
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: surviving the Quantum Realm and the time traveling effects they're in.

863
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: This allows Tony Stark to builds a time machine, which

864
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: he does just like in his off time at his house.

865
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: He designs it, drives back to these Avengers facility, is like, hey,

866
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: I figured it out. I figured out time travel. Uh

867
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: did you try it? Yeah, we tried it. It turned

868
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: Scot into a baby and then an old man, and

869
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: then Tony's like, don't worry, I figured all of that out.

870
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 2: This allows the time machine allows the Avengers to use

871
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: the Quantum Realm to travel through time and steal the

872
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: Infinity Stones from the past and thus defeat Thanos. And

873
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: when last we saw Scott heading into Quantumnia, he was

874
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: standing with Hank, Hope and Janet at Tony Stark's funeral.

875
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: Be really interesting to see what Scott has been up

876
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 2: to since.

877
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you did. You brought up a

878
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 3: really important point here, which is the quantum realm allowed

879
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: them to create this time machine. Right, which is the

880
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: idea that time reacts differently in the quantum realm, so

881
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 3: you can go in at one point and come out

882
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: at a different point. Right. That seems like it's going

883
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 3: to be incredibly relevant as we go into Quantum Mania,

884
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: a film about a man obsessed with time Kang. He

885
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 3: loves time, loves time travel, needs to be in control

886
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: of every time. Interested to see how long our heroes

887
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: are going to be in the quantum realm, in the

888
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: quantum zone. How long this takes?

889
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: X Ray Vision will be back.

890
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: And we're back.

891
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell us about the quantum realm.

892
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: And then we'll you know, put it in the tinfoil

893
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: hat and we'll start where's this gigure?

894
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 3: Okay, So we love the quantum realm. We talk about

895
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: it a lot. It's one of our favorite things. We

896
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 3: also talk about how the quantum roalm in the MCU

897
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: has always kind of felt like, is it the quantum realm?

898
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: Is it the kind of is it like going to be?

899
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 3: Their version of the negative zone. So basically, the most

900
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: interesting thing here that we don't often talk about because

901
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 3: it's such a weird old part of comics is the

902
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 3: idea of the microverse, which is what the quantum realm

903
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: was originally known as and was the place where the

904
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: pin particles could take you. And the reason that this

905
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: is particularly interesting is that this isn't old. This is

906
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: first ever from a Captain America Comics twenty six. You're

907
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 3: talking about ninete like, this is like some old weird

908
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: stuff it and it's where Captain American Bucky end up

909
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 3: traveling to. This subatomic world was written by a pulp writer,

910
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: Ray Cummings and penciled by an artist called Sid Shaw's

911
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: and you're talking about an idea that is so old,

912
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 3: and it just made sense for them to say, well,

913
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: that's that's the that's why the pin particles will take you.

914
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 3: It's a sub atomic world. It's basically what we know

915
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 3: is the quantum realm in the MCU. But the microverse

916
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: stuff becomes more interesting as we head into Quantumania because

917
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: the most interesting thing about it is that, like so

918
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 3: often in the MCU with Thor Ragnarok, which was essentially

919
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: like a Planet Hulk adaptation. Marvel seems to enjoy looking

920
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 3: to Hulk comics to expand the stories that they are telling,

921
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 3: and in Quantumania we have not seen Yeah, but from

922
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 3: what we've seen in the trailers, it really seems like

923
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: we're looking at another kind of Hulk adaptation. In Avengers

924
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 3: Yes eighty issue eighty eight, Shrunken Hulk gets sent to

925
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 3: the Microverse and it kind of begins this journey through

926
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 3: this place called Kai where Hulk meets one of his

927
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: most famous romantic dalliances known as Durella. Now this is

928
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 3: really important because one of the characters that we know

929
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: will be in Quantumania is gent Tora, who is the

930
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: niece of Durella, and in the from what we know

931
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 3: of the characters, she will fight alongside Veb and Quas

932
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 3: as one of the Quantum Realms freedom fighters, and Gentlera

933
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: in the comics is a freedom fighter. So that is

934
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: a very interesting microverse connection.

935
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: So we should add that when the Hulk goes there,

936
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: what he finds is like a despotic ruler who is

937
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 2: being confront by various freedom loving rebels in the micro Verse.

938
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 2: And then Hulk then aligns with Yes.

939
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: Yes, sounding very much like what we may be seeing

940
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: in the old Quantumnia. Other things that the movie seems

941
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: to be directly taking from Kryla, the character who you know,

942
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 3: Bill Murray will be playing. His first and only appearance

943
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: is in Hulk one fifty six in the Microverse, which

944
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: is when Hulk reunites with Durella at micronic size. And

945
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: it is just a very interesting space to be taking

946
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 3: from now in the MCU, I mean in the Marvel

947
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 3: Comics universe, also could be called the MCU, just saying

948
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 3: but that the quantum marm of the Microverse have become

949
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 3: the same thing. A lot of which is to do

950
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: with like strange licensing IP issues. But yeah, basically the

951
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 3: Microverse is a very interesting deep sci fi space, and

952
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 3: it seems like from what we've seen of Contomania so

953
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: far in the trailers, it's taking very heavily from these

954
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 3: Wholk issues and also from this older version. This is

955
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: less of the cosmic kind of purgatory that we saw

956
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 3: Janet in and this looks more like a Star Wars

957
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: style high fantasy, high sci fi space. And as Jason

958
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: pointed out, despotic leader who is being confronted by freedom fighters,

959
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 3: we can assume Kang is going to take that role

960
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: when we go and see the movie tonight. So yes,

961
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 3: very interesting. Also deep connections to some of my favorite things,

962
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 3: you know, like the Silver Surfer and Galactus, so I'm

963
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: really excited. It's also, as we are in the Kang

964
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: the Conqueror space, we should probably just mention we're gonna

965
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 3: keep saying it until it happens, but there is high

966
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 3: potential here for a Fantastic Four tiers or a Fantastic

967
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: Four crossover.

968
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you know who that's shranked down and stuck

969
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: in the microverse slash Quantum Realm.

970
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: A little while Doctor Doom.

971
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: I mean, if there's a world in which doctor Doom

972
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: is the despotic leader and Kang is like the leader

973
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 2: of the obscurb website, we need Scott's help.

974
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: Look, I understand, I understand the way that the trailers

975
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 3: have set this up, and I know that King is

976
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 3: going to be I know he's the Conqueror, so I

977
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 3: know he's the bad guy, but like, wouldn't it be

978
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 3: cool if he wasn't wouldn't it be cool if this

979
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 3: was a more empathetic King and Kryla was the despot

980
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: or Dr Doom was the despot. Yeah, I would really

981
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: like to see it because, like I just love Jonathan Page. No,

982
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: but I I'm very I'm very interested to see where

983
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 3: this goes, especially because the the correlations between the way

984
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 3: we've seen the quantum realm in the MCU and what

985
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 3: we know of the negative zone as it's kind of

986
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: poured all between universes and a time where time goes differently.

987
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 3: I would be very interested to know if rather than

988
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 3: quantum ralm and the microverse being the two names for

989
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 3: these things in the MCU, it's quantum realm and the

990
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 3: negative zone. I wonder if there is a space where

991
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 3: those two crossover. And I think, like with Kang obviously

992
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: being a direct descendant of you know, read richards father

993
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 3: also Nathaniel Richards, I'm just so interested to see if

994
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 3: they're gonna finally commit. We know they're making a Fantastic

995
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 3: four movie, Like we know they're doing it, but are

996
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: they gonna lean into that here? Is that gonna be

997
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 3: a stinger? Are we gonna get references within the quantum

998
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 3: realm to perhaps another despotic leader who they kicked out,

999
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 3: or a portal that leads to a different space. I

1000
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm very interested to see it.

1001
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: So let's talk about King, a character who we kind

1002
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: of first met at the end of the Loki series

1003
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: on Disney Plus. We met a character named He Who Remained. Now,

1004
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: this is a pretty a large adaptation of the He

1005
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 2: Who Remains from the comics, like completely same name, completely

1006
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: unrelated in terms of like what those two characters are.

1007
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 2: But in Loki, He Who Remains was essentially a version

1008
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 2: of Kang who defeated all the other versions of himself

1009
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: throughout the multiverse in order to bring a kind of

1010
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 2: stability to a limited multiverse, which he then kind of

1011
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 2: curated almost like a gardener, in hopes that the other

1012
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: more warlike versions of himself would never arise to challenge him.

1013
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: And we have to assume that the Kang that we

1014
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 2: meet in and in the loast Quantumnia is going to

1015
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: be the evil, most warlike who, the bad version of

1016
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 2: He Who Remains.

1017
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: I think so he managed to kill all the other versions.

1018
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 3: And Jonathan Magus has done interviews basically said like, the

1019
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 3: character is so different that to him they don't even

1020
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 3: correlate as connected, Like He Who Remains as one thing,

1021
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 3: Kang the Conqueror is something entirely different. It will also

1022
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 3: be very interesting to know, like was Kang put in

1023
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 3: the quantum realm? Like, did He Who Remains put him there?

1024
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 3: I think so he was trapped there. I think in

1025
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: the most recent trailer he even says, this place isn't

1026
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 3: what you think. It's a cage, you know. So I

1027
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: love that idea of this kind of immense, vast world

1028
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 3: and that's the only place that you could trap this

1029
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: powerful being Kang the Conqueror. And you know this is

1030
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 3: this is very interesting too because I feel like we've

1031
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 3: talked kind of about time, right and yeah, but we

1032
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 3: know that in the MCU version. One of the biggest

1033
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: things that He who Remains introduced in Loki was that

1034
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 3: rather than Nathaniel Richards in the thirty first century discovering

1035
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 3: time travel, he discovered multiverses. So I'm very interested to

1036
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 3: see how that changes, if it does, and if it

1037
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 3: changes that.

1038
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: Well, I have to say, like as we saw from

1039
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: the Quantum Tunnel, they're kind of the same thing them.

1040
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: They are emerging.

1041
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: Time does not move in the same way in the

1042
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: quantum realm as it does in the regular dimensions.

1043
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: Therefore, if you enter the quantum realm.

1044
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: Essentially stepping outside of time, and from there you can

1045
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: enter any other timestream.

1046
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: I can only assume that.

1047
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 2: So part of what makes Kang so powerful is he

1048
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: has access to this time machine. And because he has

1049
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: this time machine, he's basically able to study millions of

1050
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 2: years of history and figure out like how to beat

1051
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: every foe, how to design every weapon, and how to

1052
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 2: overcome every single obstacle and variation of obstacle because he's

1053
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: just used his time machine to study every variation of

1054
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 2: every event.

1055
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what he can do that is so odsally

1056
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 3: unique is, for example, I've been reading some really weird

1057
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 3: Caang comics recently trying to work out which variants we

1058
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 3: might see, and also just because I like weird shit.

1059
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 3: And there is a version in the Citizen Kang crossover,

1060
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 3: there is a version of Kang who wants to escape

1061
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 3: kind of being captured and being stopped. So he goes

1062
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 3: back to the nineteenth century and he sets up a

1063
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 3: township called Timely, Wisconsin, named after Marvel's original name, and

1064
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: his name is Victor Timeley. One of the this is

1065
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 3: like a Bover level new obsession of mine. But in

1066
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 3: that way, what he does is in nineteenth century Middle America.

1067
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 3: He teaches everyone there how to become a scientist, how

1068
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 3: to make in crazy futuristic inventions. So he's not only

1069
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 3: able to go and learn from different places, but he

1070
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 3: can then share that knowledge and change the stream of

1071
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 3: time and build these spaces that make him immensely more

1072
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 3: powerful and essentially creates pockets throughout time of different backup

1073
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 3: plans and different backup Kangs. You know, So you're right,

1074
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 3: it's basically the same difference now And something else that's

1075
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 3: really interesting in there. When I was reading it, and

1076
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 3: this is something I think that we kind of it's

1077
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 3: very Timfoiley, but it's really fun, and we have kind

1078
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 3: of thought about it before. There is this kind of

1079
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 3: general rumor almost it's never confirmed, but this idea that

1080
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 3: while Kang is on his travels, he meets doctor Doom

1081
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Speaker 3: and he learns that doctor Doom could be his ancestor.

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00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 3: It's never confirmed, but there's this kind of could it be,

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00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 3: And then that puts him and Read and Doom all

1084
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 3: in this familial line of absolute geniuses. So Kang is

1085
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 3: just the most powerful. You thought Vanis was powerful. Note

1086
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 3: Thanos needed the stone he needed the gems he needed

1087
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 3: the Gauntlet. Kang doesn't need that. Kang has his little

1088
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 3: floating time platform and his time chair and he can

1089
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 3: just do whatever he wants from Chronopolis, which is essentially

1090
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: a palace where he can travel through to every portal

1091
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 3: where every Kang exists in the time line.

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00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: Should we talk about notable versions, Yes, of Kang.

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00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Victor Timeley not notable. Sorry, guys, it's just a

1094
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 3: weird guy with a mustache. But it's an interesting it's

1095
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 3: an interesting use of his powers. Yes, I mean the

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00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 3: notable we've kind of touched on some of them, but

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Speaker 3: you have, like.

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00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: We've touched you know, in different Yeah, episodes of this kind.

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00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 3: Of Rahmata the pharaoh. Kang wants to go back. He

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00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: wants to be all powerful, So time travels to ancient

1101
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 3: Egypt and he becomes an incredibly powerful pharaoh. And that's

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00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 3: one of the most famous Kang variants.

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00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: This is like his first attempt at time travel, basically

1104
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: the first thing he did.

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00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like, he was like, where do I

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00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 3: be most powerful? Okay, cool, I'll just go in my

1107
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 3: sphinx shaped you know, spaceship, and I'll just become the

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00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 3: leader of ancient Egypt, as you do.

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Speaker 1: Immortus.

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00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the big one. Immortus is, like I would say,

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00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 3: probably the most famous version of Kang, very good green

1112
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 3: and purple color color costume that you would love. I

1113
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 3: would say, like visually, that's the one that inspired He

1114
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 3: who remains the most Yes, and uh, it's really interesting

1115
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 3: because he is a little bit like he who remains

1116
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 3: in that he kind of becomes weary of being.

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01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: Like this crazy.

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01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: Crazy guy, but he's still not like a good guy.

1119
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: He's still doing mad problem. He's still causing mad problems.

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Speaker 3: He fights the Avengers a lot. He also like teams

1121
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 3: up with like really strange historical figures like Paul Banyan

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01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 3: and Genghis Khan and you.

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Speaker 1: Know historical figures.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he will also like he will. This is

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Speaker 3: one of the most interesting things about Immortus and why

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01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 3: I think we'll definitely see a version of him. He

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01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 3: often teams up with other Kangs, like he is the

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01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 3: he is the one who teams up with other Kangs.

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Speaker 3: He also is the one who tried to marry Scarlet

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01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,919
Speaker 3: Witch because he knew that she was an excess being.

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01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 3: So I would love to see some kind of situation there.

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01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 3: And he also is deeply connected to the Timekeepers and

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01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 3: the TVA because.

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01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: He's kind of the he's kind of like the spiritual

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01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 2: manager kind of.

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01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 3: Because he kind of wants to like use them to

1137
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 3: escape his destiny and control his destiny. It's very he's

1138
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 3: a very interesting complex character. But again the most interesting

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01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 3: thing about Kang is that he doesn't really have superpowers

1140
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 3: from being like really he's.

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01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: Like so if if the he who remains in Loki

1142
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 2: is kind of like the Kang who defeated all the

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01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 2: other kings and waited them out and now is very

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01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 2: very tired. That is a pretty strong parallel to Immortis,

1145
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 2: who is like Kang who just gets.

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01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: Tired of it.

1147
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: It is just like tired of all the stuff and

1148
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 2: he's done everything and there's nothing else to do anymore, and.

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01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: He's bored and he's just tired. Shall we talk about modoc.

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01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, I just want to first of all, just

1151
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 3: so you will go and google it. Yeah, I just

1152
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 3: want to mention the Scarlet Centurion, who is not a big,

1153
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 3: very famous Kang variant, but he does have a very

1154
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 3: sexy costume and it's like one of those outrageous like

1155
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 3: you look at it and you're like, wow, men never

1156
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 3: get cool sexy costumes like that, so so shout out

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01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 3: to him. But yes, there's lots of Kang variants. Will

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01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 3: we see them, I don't know, but we'll probably see

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01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 3: them in the future of the MCU, so keep an

1160
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 3: eye out. And I think Immortus and Ramata those to me,

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01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 3: alongside Kang the Concrest seem like the ones we're gonna

1162
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 3: see fast.

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01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 2: Let's talk about our big humpty dumpty friend in the

1164
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 2: big chair with the big head, mister Mogg originally a machine,

1165
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: a mobile organism designed only for computing, later changed to

1166
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: be a mobile organism designed only for killing.

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01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: Love that guy, big change there, I know, he asked me.

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01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, it feels like computer was a better option.

1169
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 3: But you know, he overcame the agents of AIM and

1170
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 3: became the Yeah, mobile, mechanized and mental can.

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01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 2: I'm kind of sad that he is not a product

1172
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: of AIM like I would imagine since yeah, spoiler alert,

1173
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: he is a character who fell into the quantum realm.

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01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: That he.

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01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 2: Is a product of the quantum realm and not some

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01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: kind of you know, uh, deranged experiment by aims.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder, I wonder if that I wish. I

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01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 3: want Aim to come in. We thought they were going

1179
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 3: to come in during one division and they didn't like

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01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 3: I want to see. We've seen versions of Aim in

1181
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 3: the MCU, but they're like very minor, like militarized kind

1182
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 3: of people who just have the same name. I want

1183
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 3: to see the yellow suit wearing Aim, who are going

1184
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 3: to make Modoc and do like terrible science I think.

1185
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it could be that Kang was the

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01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 3: one who helped him, because Kang is a genius. But

1187
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 3: maybe Kang kind of did the Aim style evil science

1188
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 3: that drove him crazy. Or it could just be his

1189
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 3: vengeance against Scott who put him in this situation and

1190
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 3: made him have a giant head and float.

1191
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: Around big and his limbs cuts wall all works.

1192
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 3: This is actually like a very interesting quote from Peyton

1193
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 3: Reed where it's like Modoc has been waiting in the

1194
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 3: wings for a while. We hit on an idea of

1195
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 3: as we were going to bring the family into the

1196
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 3: quantum realm and into contact with Kang, how could Kang

1197
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 3: know about the Ant family? And then it occurred to me,

1198
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 3: you know what happens to Yellow Jacket at the end

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01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 3: of the First ant Man. So that's obviously it's a

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01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 3: it's a narrative reason that he has become Modoc.

1201
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: Imagine your fucking Darren Krass yellow jacket. You've been banished

1202
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 2: to the quantum realm where you now have a fucking

1203
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 2: giant head head and little limbs, and you've just spent

1204
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: untold amount, Like there's literally no way to measure the

1205
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: amount of time. You're a million years complaining about Hank

1206
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 2: and Hope and Scott Lane and then they fucking show up.

1207
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 3: Oh terrible.

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01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: Let me tell you some Monoc is gonna be pissed.

1209
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 3: P I sed pissed. Yeah, I mean, this is such

1210
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 3: an iconic Marvel character, and like it is one of

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01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 3: the weirdest, and I wrote like I wrote this big

1212
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 3: explainer which you can read at IGN, which is like

1213
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 3: a full comic book history. I read so many great comics.

1214
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 3: But the most interesting thing to me is I think

1215
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 3: he's almost a character like another favorite of mine, Schuma

1216
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 3: Gorath Modoc. I think a lot of the love for

1217
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 3: him actually is he's been in so many video games,

1218
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 3: Like he has such a wide reach, such a massive

1219
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,919
Speaker 3: unexpected audience that will already know who he is. I'm

1220
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 3: very interested to see where they go because to me,

1221
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 3: Modoc's he's not like a Thanos or Kang level villain,

1222
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 3: but he's definitely a villain you could have for like

1223
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 3: a trilogy. Like he is like a villain that you

1224
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 3: could really do some interesting stuff with. So it's gonna

1225
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 3: be very cool and telling what they decide to do

1226
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 3: with him and whether he is just a one and

1227
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 3: done villain. But like, good for Corey Stole, get that check,

1228
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 3: come back. Yeah, have your head cged onto that giant chat.

1229
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 3: I was feeling it. I was very happy to see

1230
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 3: that they did have the big head and it wasn't

1231
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 3: just the battle armor that we'd kind of seen from

1232
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 3: from trail.

1233
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: That bigot, big giant hole.

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01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 2: We can't wait to see the movie. We're basically going

1235
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: now from this recording session to go watch the movie. So, uh,

1236
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 2: you know, that's it for our little primer on ant Man,

1237
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: the history of ant Man and related characters.

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01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: Up next, nerd Out.

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01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 3: In today's nerd Out, where you tell us what you love,

1240
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 3: am why, or a theory you're excited to share, Scott

1241
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 3: is going to picture us on a cult classic TV

1242
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 3: show by David Lynch Twin Peaks.

1243
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 4: In April of nineteen ninety, ABC debuted Twin Peaks, and

1244
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 4: the country was never the same. Broadcast television was definitely

1245
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 4: never the same. I was never the same. I was eleven.

1246
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 4: It was too mature for me, but I was intoxicated.

1247
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 4: The show is dark and scary and sexy and weird,

1248
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 4: and it forever shaped my view of what television could

1249
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 4: be and what my personal aesthetic would be for the

1250
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 4: kind of content that I would expect and enjoy. But

1251
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 4: it wasn't just me. The whole country wanted to know

1252
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 4: who killed Laura Palmer. They were also charmed by Kyle

1253
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 4: MacLachlan playing special agent Dale Cooper. There was a established

1254
01:07:54,800 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 4: cast of older actors like Ray Wise and Piper Laurie,

1255
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 4: and there was a young gust like larfln Boyle, Sherylyn

1256
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 4: Finn and Madge en Amick. They ended up on the

1257
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 4: cover of Rolling Stone that summer. Because the first season

1258
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 4: was only seven episodes, it was short. It grabbed the

1259
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 4: country by the throat and everyone could not wait for

1260
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 4: season two. Now the network demanded they reveal the killer

1261
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 4: and resolve the murder, and once that happened, the show

1262
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 4: had trouble fighting its path. The ratings dropped, They moved

1263
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 4: it around the schedule, and by the end of the

1264
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 4: season it was canceled. But they ended season two famously

1265
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 4: with a magnificently dark and scary cliffhanger, and that was

1266
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 4: it canceled. We got a prequel movie, fire Walk with Me,

1267
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 4: soon after, from David Lynch, but it didn't resolve the cliffhanger,

1268
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 4: and then we and the fandom had to wait. We

1269
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 4: bought the box sets, We spread the word, We shared

1270
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 4: the show with friends, and we never new if we

1271
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 4: would get anything else. We shared the lingo, we shared

1272
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 4: the music, the score by Angelo bad Lamente. We dressed

1273
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 4: up in costumes. We visited Washington State and took turns

1274
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 4: getting wrapped in plastic to play act at being Laura

1275
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 4: Palmer dead on a rocky beach. And then twenty six

1276
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 4: years after the show ended, we got Twin Peaks. The

1277
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 4: return on Showtime, different but brilliant, and with most of

1278
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 4: the surviving cast now David Lynch, Mark Frost, and col MacLachlan,

1279
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 4: among others, have said they would come back. They would

1280
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 4: do more. So Twin Peaks may live on, but you

1281
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 4: need to watch it, whether it does or doesn't, because

1282
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,759
Speaker 4: you will quickly find out. You already know Twin Peaks

1283
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 4: because it has seeped into cultural consciousness and shows like

1284
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 4: psych and Riverdale and Gravity Falls have directly referenced it since.

1285
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 4: So join us in the Red Room and enjoy Twin Peaks.

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01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,600
Speaker 3: Yes, thanks Scott. If you have theories and passions that

1287
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 3: you want to share, hit us up at x ray

1288
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 3: at croocket dot com and instructions are in the show

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01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 3: notes as always.

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01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: Well, that's it for us. Rosie.

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01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 2: You mentioned that you've got a bunch of stuff up

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Speaker 2: related to Antman and the Weast Quantumania plug it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you can read my work at ign primetimer nerdist Polygon,

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Speaker 3: Den of Geek. It's going to be all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 3: My big Den of Geek cover story was just released.

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Speaker 3: It is with the lead cast of Shazam, including Helen

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Speaker 3: Mirren and Lucy Lou and Rachel Zeggler who played the

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Speaker 3: goddesses who are so incredible. So that is going to

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Speaker 3: be out now. You can sign up, or you can

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Speaker 3: pick up a real print magazine in the old comic

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Speaker 3: book shop. You can also find me at Rosie Marks

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Speaker 3: at Letterbox or Instagram. Our discord has been catching many

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Speaker 3: jokes off of my terrible letterbox choices, including seventy eight

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Speaker 3: Doctor Strange movie, which I cannot recommend enough.

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Speaker 1: It is so so it's inside.

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Speaker 3: I was literally like, it is so horny and weird,

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Speaker 3: and people are like, why are you horning for Doctor Stranger?

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Speaker 3: And I was like, no, no, go and watch the movie.

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Speaker 3: It's just about an old pervy magician who like meets

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Speaker 3: loads of hot Morgan le Fay like women of various ages.

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Speaker 3: It's wonderful. So yeah, that's my other plug. Go watch

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Speaker 3: those weird old pre MCU Marvel movies.

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Speaker 2: Catch the next episode on Friday, February seventeenth on ant

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Speaker 2: Man in the Last quantum Menia, and remember that's our

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Speaker 2: second episode of the week.

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Speaker 1: We're doing two episodes a week to.

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Speaker 2: Two Wednesdays and Fridays in your podcast feed two episodes a.

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Speaker 3: Week, yep and if you want to see us with

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Speaker 3: your eyeballs as well as listening with your ears, you

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Speaker 3: can subscribe on YouTube, where you can now have four

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Speaker 3: episodes of the show. Sometimes we're in person, sometimes we're

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Speaker 3: on zoom. They're equally as cool. Please if you want

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Speaker 3: to see us on Twitter, on tweets, see the things

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Speaker 3: that we retweet. Yes, you go to the xr V

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Speaker 3: pod and you check out the discord too. The discord

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Speaker 3: is where we meet up and hang out with tons

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Speaker 3: of amazing fans and listeners. Me and Jason not always

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Speaker 3: in there. We try and watch shows with you guys.

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Speaker 3: We've been doing cool lost of us ones. We share

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Speaker 3: my terrible letterbox and rag on me and we generally

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Speaker 3: just have like a lovely time. It's motivated by the

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Speaker 3: wonderful Hidi, who we always shout out because it's just

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Speaker 3: a really cool, inclusive, fun nerdy space. So calm recommend

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Speaker 3: it enough.

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Speaker 2: Five star ratings, five star reviews. We need them, we

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Speaker 2: gotta have them.

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Speaker 1: We love them. Here's one from mucho uro great.

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Speaker 3: Thank you and I love it.

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Speaker 1: We love it baby. X ray Vision is a Crooked

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Speaker 1: Media production.

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Speaker 2: The show is produced by Chris Lord and Saul Rubin.

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Speaker 2: The show is executive produced by myself and Sandy Road

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Speaker 2: are editing in sound design Who's by Vascillias Fotopoulos. Dylan

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Speaker 2: Villanueva and Matt de Group provide video production support. Alex

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Speaker 2: Rollaford handles social media. Thank you, Brian, besk this for

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Speaker 2: theme music.

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Speaker 1: See you next time, mm hmm