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Listen to 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:17.040 Crumbs on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:26.760 wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Debbie Peers and I 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:30.960 was Key Hairstylists on the office. I'm Kim Ferry, and 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:38.720 I was the department head for the office. Hello, everybody, 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:44.680 You're gonna love this one. Uh. First off, welcome to 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.919 another installment of the Office Deep Dive. I am your host, 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:55.280 Brian Baumgartner. The studio is crowded today, people, I am 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.760 bringing you my conversation with the other half of our 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:04.600 hair and makeup crew, the hair department of the Office. Now, 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.880 if you haven't already, go listen to my interview with 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:11.400 the office is head makeup artist Laverne Karacuzzi, because we 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.399 make a few references to that conversation here. But then 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.000 be sure to come right back to hear more fascinating 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:22.400 behind the scenes stories from my very good friends Debbie 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.960 Pierce and Kim Ferry. Now, having Debbie and Kim in 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:31.360 the studio, it was like it was like getting a 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:34.960 warm hug. I mean, when you think about it, I 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:39.440 spent an entire decade of my life working with the 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.760 two of them, and they really are extraordinary people to 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:46.200 work with. They brought a brand new perspective to the 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:50.160 beauty of the office conversation Like you won't believe how 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.560 long it took to make sure Meredith's bald cap looked 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:58.840 well bald and and the thought that went into Pam's 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:03.560 hair evolution. I truly had no idea the care and 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:07.160 concern that these women gave not only to the show, 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:11.160 the plot, the crew, but but also to each other 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.640 in really difficult times of their lives. It's nothing short 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:20.080 of astounding. We were lucky to have them on set then, 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.400 and well we're so lucky to have them on the 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:29.279 podcast now. Now. Maybe that's enough tuting of their horns 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.120 for now. I think our conversation really speaks for itself. 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:40.080 So get ready to be blown away, like like the 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:44.880 hair dryer blown away anyway. The wonderful geniuses that made 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.680 up the hair department of the office, Debbie Pierce and 0:04:48.800 --> 0:05:02.120 Kim Ferry Bubble I love it, bubb Bubble and Squeaker Cookie. 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:17.680 Every moon lift over from the nut be that? What is? 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:28.839 Oh my god, it's so good to see. Oh my god, 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.320 how are you. I'm good. I'm good. Oh my gosh. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:36.160 Thank you guys so much, Thank you. It's fun to 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:42.640 get together. Man, look at you. I love the shirt. 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:47.479 Well done, very well done. Um you want point today? 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.960 This has been so great? Are you kidding me? I 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:55.520 saw Laverne yesterday, Yes, yes. Um, I mean so many 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.440 writers that are all now running their own world. I'm 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:06.400 sure Mike Sure and Brent Forrester, Claire Scanlon and Jenna 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:11.400 Angela and Rain We've done so it's just so fun 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:17.400 to see everybody. I know. But it's it's amazing. Um. 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.560 I was out and I had my jacket on that 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.840 we got season five or six or something, and all 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.560 of a sudden, I was in a restaurant and this 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:29.200 girl said, oh, I love your jacket. I said, do 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:33.080 you watch the show? Oh? Yes, we love the Office. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.960 It was a whole new generation, right, I mean anywhere 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:41.760 from thirteen to thirty five. I mean, it's it's a 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.040 whole new group of people. Why do you think that is? 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.880 I don't know. I think they just identified with the characters, 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.600 and uh, that is on Netflix now and it's reruns 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.039 and watch the series. So I just think they get 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.359 a character that they really like and and they identify 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:03.560 with them and it just has snowballed. It's it's amazing. Yeah. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.839 I mean we have been talking about and part of 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.240 what I'm going back and looking at is, you know, 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:13.120 we were the top scripted show on NBC for a 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:19.000 long time, but the show now is bigger than it 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:24.040 was then through Netflix. I'm just like, what, I don't know, 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.360 what do you think? Just people identifying with the characters. Yeah, 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.800 I just season two it hit its prime. Yeah, that's 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.920 when it really did. It did, and they just wanted 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.960 to see what was Steve gonna do next? And the 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.640 whole cast of characters. Really, the whole cast of characters, 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.320 you never know what they're gonna do or say no. 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.840 Because we were just laughing before he came in talking 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.680 about Kim. When she called me about the show, she said, Debbie, UM, 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:50.640 you know I'm going to do this little show called 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.680 The Office. You know, it's just about five um actors, 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:59.200 you know, a couple of girls in the so simple, 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.320 you know, you know, can what you think? Come and 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.720 join me in and let's do this. I said, okay, okay, 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:09.280 I'll call you tomorrow. So I didn't. I said, yeah, Kim, 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:10.840 I'd like to do that. I'd like to do that 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:16.680 with you. And then this little show blew up into 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:23.360 this mega It was that hit. Yeah. So you said 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.880 the show hit its prime in season two? Is that 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.920 because that's when you guys came on it. Is it 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:33.400 your responsible right and you know, we didn't have any 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.520 budget either. We were so do you remember we were 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:37.880 literally throwing like a can of hair sprayed to each 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.440 other across like all the actors. Do you remember that 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:46.760 we had no budget. We supplies and own, right, and 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:50.560 then Kim would go to set and I would be 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.000 in the trailers, so I had to do all the 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.480 guest actors and everything body that came back. So all 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.880 of a sudden, we looked at each other set, Uh, 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.760 this is getting to be bigger then we thought. So, 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.760 you know, then after you know, see with the season 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.440 three or four that we were able to get really 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:13.120 got another additional persition because it was kind of our one. 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.280 Remember we would take breaks to we would sat down 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:16.920 and we didn't know if the show was going to 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.440 come back, and see they'd be like, okay, hey we 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.080 got another six, let's just do these six right, great, Okay, 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.440 we'll be back great, and then it would sat down 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.280 again and it was really confusing those first step first 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.800 season two, season two, Yeah, but it made it through. 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:36.480 That must have been hard from a crew perspective to 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.559 to you know, like we did that first six of 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.360 season two and then we went away and we had 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.200 no idea if we were coming back, you know, and 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:48.240 then and and that's real tricky because people need to 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.520 know where their money is going to come from, of course, 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.520 and so you get scared that you lose your crew 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.600 because you know, you don't want people go to other 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.760 the shows, you know and stuff. But we were blessed. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.840 We were blessed. We kept our crew pretty much together. 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.040 I mean, there were a few people that had to 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.600 leave and stuff, but we were blessed all the way 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.800 to the end. Yeah, what do you think was so 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:17.840 we were going for a very realistic look, moving away 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.319 from what television was at that time, if you think 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.360 about friends and stuff was did that present challenges or 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:28.000 did that make it easier? Yeah? No, presented challenges, especially 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.400 for me. Well, you know both of us want to 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.400 do yeah, yeah, yeah, so we both wanted worked in salons, 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:40.000 you know, prior to getting into film television. But um, 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.880 you know, when you see a person and something looks array, 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.800 you know, out of out of whack and stuff, you 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.720 immediately want to go over there and do something. And 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.800 also with the makeup, I'm sure the verrant probably told 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.040 you you want to at least haven't had a little 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:58.520 colitude a person and everything. So yeah, it presents a challenge. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.400 And so it was funny because remember we didn't the 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.600 second season though you were all having your own makeup 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.080 and your own stuff. They we weren't touching them. You're 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:11.200 forgetting because they were getting their own touch ups at 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.520 their own station and they had it there and we 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.640 would be sitting waiting. We would not go in that 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.800 second season because that's that was per pul Fig, per 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.800 Greg Daniel. But that was hard that, yeah, that you don't. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.840 It was you guys that were touching yourself up and 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:30.800 we would see you at because the season three, okay, 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.560 season three we were able to then actually go in 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:35.920 and start doing touch ups on you. But season two 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.880 it was very I remember going in different probably wasn't 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:43.200 supposed to, but I know you did not did not 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:47.480 go in season two. It did not okay, I remember, 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:53.240 oh my gosh, yeah, and I um I remember Ken 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.840 Koppas was talking to me about He said that there 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.000 was and this was before you, but on the on 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:00.920 the pilot and moving for as they were sort of 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:05.320 establishing the look. And Ken went to all of the 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:10.560 heads of department and said anything that you would get 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:14.280 fired on on some other show are the things that 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.559 we want. So like if a hair is out of place, 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.400 and if a lighting isn't quite right, if we don't 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:24.600 have a perfect frame shot on an actor, that's all good. 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.800 We want those little mistakes to make it, you know, 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.240 feel more real. Yeah, and that's kind of what you 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.320 were told to write, like the hair did not have 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.520 to match. Yeah, I mean originally I was offered the 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.320 first six episodes, but I was still working on another show, 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.040 so I couldn't do it. But I wish, I wish, Yeah, 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.600 I just I couldn't because when we came in second season, 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:52.280 everything changed. The whole look of the cast, yeah changed. Well. Steve, 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.240 he was the first severe on that first season, and 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:59.840 Kim softened him up. It looked great. Yeah, so what 0:12:59.920 --> 0:13:03.160 was the direction. We've talked a lot about that about 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.360 you know, feeling like if we were a show that's 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:09.160 going to go on for longer than a season or two. Yeah, 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:13.839 that Michael, we needed to find some redeeming values. And 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.320 then they started writing in short ways and his look changed. Well. 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.360 He also he had gone through you know, the virgin 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.640 so he basically had lost a lot of weight too, 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.560 and looked a bit different than we did it first. 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.560 But I remember coming in and having a meeting with 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.400 him and in the trailer actually and just discussing with him. 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.400 You know, I watched the first six episodes when I 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.880 knew I was going to get the second season, and 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.840 I told him, I really, you know, they wanted him 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.720 to look like Gordon Gecko. That was like his look. Technically, 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.680 that's what they designed it for, Gray slick, but it 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:47.600 was too for me. It was too greasy and too 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.720 slick and and not flattering and severe. Right, So I 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.720 told him, like, I really want to make a big change, 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.360 and I want to discuss it with you. And I 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.000 did that pretty much with a lot of the actors, 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.080 just kind of skiing them, you know, how do you 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:02.960 feel and what do you want and then let's incorporate 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.000 this and then I can pitch it to Greg because 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:07.520 he did have the final say over looks and things. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.360 And he was really great though. I mean, he would 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.600 always listen to us, and if we really wanted to 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.680 push one kind of look or one certain thing, it 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.160 was okay, and he would always come around. So that 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:22.040 was great. I really appreciated his thought. Yeah, So doing that, 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:27.440 trying to create that very sort of realistic look. Ultimately, 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.120 it is more difficult than sort of that high fashion. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.480 I don't know, I don't know. It was easy, it 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.520 was casual. It was also look like real people, so 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:38.680 they can be a little dishovel. I mean, it's almost 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.480 easier because you're not doing the high end glam stuff. 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.120 We're not putting on these you know, when I was 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:45.720 doing Pretty liars like they have all this hair, you 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:47.760 have this makeup, you have this wardrobe. We didn't really 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.120 have that, so it wasn't except when we do special shows. Yeah, 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:55.600 when we did the Halloween episodes. Halloween episodes were always tricky, 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.240 but yeah, I loved it though. I did every single 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:02.240 week on that show higher time. Yeah, and I remember 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:07.160 even the Halloween episodes. If you think of other shows 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:10.920 that have Halloween episodes, the makeup, the hair, like everything 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:14.040 should look perfect. Right. But Greg, I remember there was 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:18.120 a discussion about him saying, well, but these are real 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.200 people who are dressing up for their office, so it's 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.160 not going to look perfect. Correct. He was very adamant 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:25.880 about that. These aren't people that are going to spend 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.440 huge amounts of money. They just want to throw like 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.080 a cheap He's like, make sure it's a cheap, simple 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:35.160 wig that someone would buy office, you know, a basic store. 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.200 It's not like a whole thing. Although we got a 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.120 little more into that when you know, Rain and Creed 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.200 and they started. We started with the wigs, and it 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.720 got a little better as we went further. But in 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.080 the beginning, yeah, definitely, And now what did you show 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.320 and tells? For him? I would walk upstairs, I would 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.040 present the whigs because he would give me an idea 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.640 of you know, I want you know, Mindy to have this. 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.480 I want you know, Rain to have this um and 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.560 he would give me some ideas to go with and 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:03.360 then I would present it to him. So I would 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.680 carry it up and go to the writers or I 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:07.720 try to make sure not many writers were in there, 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.280 so that it was just kind of him and I 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.400 wouldn't get too many beings because it gets lost. But 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.840 it was great that the collaboration was fun and they 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:15.560 were always open to it, and it was fun to 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.120 be in there and watch them like laugh at this 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:18.720 stuff and be like, oh, that's gonna be so great 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.000 or it's gonna be so good on them. It was fun. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:25.160 Do you feel there was more collaboration on the office 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:29.120 than other shows. Yes, absolutely. I think what I love 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.160 about Greg is that he even if he wanted to 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.560 discuss it, like he would listen and he would hear 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:36.560 your side of it. It wasn't in other shows where 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.480 they're just like, no, we want it like this. So, 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.000 you know, he's such a kind person. And he would 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.960 kind of stroll into our trailers sometimes and just wander around, 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.680 which I love. And we were doing right and I'd 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.200 be like anything, He's like no, and he just like 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.840 walked through, like I need a haircut or anything. Sure, great, 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.880 he's adelic sometimes he just you know, randomly come in. 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.720 But yes, he's such a good person. But he trusts 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.920 the people that he hired, and that's what I respect, 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.840 and that's what I really appreciated about him. Yeah. He 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.320 it's what do they say, what's the He's smart enough 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.320 to know what he doesn't know, you know, like he 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.160 you know, like and get the people that do. Yes. 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.320 Have you said that quote about Stephen Way too? What 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.720 was it? Okay, this is a great speed of the 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:27.280 leader is the speed of the game. I tell Steve 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:31.359 that my girlfriend gave me that quote, um, meaning that 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.719 the person that is upfront, is who has the you know, 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:41.560 the authority and the wherewithal umility, responsibility, our leader, they're 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:46.120 they're the leaders, and then the gang follows. So whoever 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.400 is upfront, they're going to look at that person. That's 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.960 what keeps us together, the leader. Yeah. Do you think 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.440 Steve was a good leader? Yeah? I do. Great leader, 0:17:55.520 --> 0:18:00.919 a great leader. So, Debbie, when Steve laught, I was 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:05.840 reminded a lot of people went around from different departments 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:11.560 and told stories about Steve. And three different people have 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:17.800 told me one story, which was the story that you told, Um, 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:25.320 it was about him. You were in a van. Yes, Uh, 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:29.159 Steve was quite a gentleman and Um at that time, 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:33.359 nobody really knew. But I was going through a situation 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.800 with my hip. I was in a lot of pain 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.520 and getting up and down on the van was very 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:42.840 hard for me, and so UM Kim and all the games, 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.000 you know, they kind of knew, and so they would 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:46.719 let me sit in the front when we would go 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.199 on on location and stuff. So this one day, UM, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.919 we were all gathering into the van. Um, Steve and 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.960 some of the actors and I went to proceed to 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.200 go in the back, and he looked at me. He goes, Abby, 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.440 where are you going? I said, well, I'm letting you say. 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:07.400 He said, you go and take that seat, and I just, um, 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.320 I just thought that was such a kind thing, because 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.359 here is he's the star of the show. And he 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.439 always did. He would stand there at that van. He 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.440 would hold the door and help us in the van. 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.920 You know, I said, some mama's raised a nice young man. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.920 But that's how he was, right. 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