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Speaker 1: Brian Baumgartner. The studio is crowded today, people, I am
Speaker 1: bringing you my conversation with the other half of our
Speaker 1: hair and makeup crew, the hair department of the Office. Now,
Speaker 1: if you haven't already, go listen to my interview with
Speaker 1: the office is head makeup artist Laverne Karacuzzi, because we
Speaker 1: make a few references to that conversation here. But then
Speaker 1: be sure to come right back to hear more fascinating
Speaker 1: behind the scenes stories from my very good friends Debbie
Speaker 1: Pierce and Kim Ferry. Now, having Debbie and Kim in
Speaker 1: the studio, it was like it was like getting a
Speaker 1: warm hug. I mean, when you think about it, I
Speaker 1: spent an entire decade of my life working with the
Speaker 1: two of them, and they really are extraordinary people to
Speaker 1: work with. They brought a brand new perspective to the
Speaker 1: beauty of the office conversation Like you won't believe how
Speaker 1: long it took to make sure Meredith's bald cap looked
Speaker 1: well bald and and the thought that went into Pam's
Speaker 1: hair evolution. I truly had no idea the care and
Speaker 1: concern that these women gave not only to the show,
Speaker 1: the plot, the crew, but but also to each other
Speaker 1: in really difficult times of their lives. It's nothing short
Speaker 1: of astounding. We were lucky to have them on set then,
Speaker 1: and well we're so lucky to have them on the
Speaker 1: podcast now. Now. Maybe that's enough tuting of their horns
Speaker 1: for now. I think our conversation really speaks for itself.
Speaker 1: So get ready to be blown away, like like the
Speaker 1: hair dryer blown away anyway. The wonderful geniuses that made
Speaker 1: up the hair department of the office, Debbie Pierce and
Speaker 1: Kim Ferry Bubble I love it, bubb Bubble and Squeaker Cookie.
Speaker 1: Every moon lift over from the nut be that? What is?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so good to see. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: how are you. I'm good. I'm good. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much, Thank you. It's fun to
Speaker 1: get together. Man, look at you. I love the shirt.
Speaker 1: Well done, very well done. Um you want point today?
Speaker 1: This has been so great? Are you kidding me? I
Speaker 1: saw Laverne yesterday, Yes, yes. Um, I mean so many
Speaker 1: writers that are all now running their own world. I'm
Speaker 1: sure Mike Sure and Brent Forrester, Claire Scanlon and Jenna
Speaker 1: Angela and Rain We've done so it's just so fun
Speaker 1: to see everybody. I know. But it's it's amazing. Um.
Speaker 1: I was out and I had my jacket on that
Speaker 1: we got season five or six or something, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I was in a restaurant and this
Speaker 1: girl said, oh, I love your jacket. I said, do
Speaker 1: you watch the show? Oh? Yes, we love the Office.
Speaker 1: It was a whole new generation, right, I mean anywhere
Speaker 1: from thirteen to thirty five. I mean, it's it's a
Speaker 1: whole new group of people. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think they just identified with the characters,
Speaker 1: and uh, that is on Netflix now and it's reruns
Speaker 1: and watch the series. So I just think they get
Speaker 1: a character that they really like and and they identify
Speaker 1: with them and it just has snowballed. It's it's amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean we have been talking about and part of
Speaker 1: what I'm going back and looking at is, you know,
Speaker 1: we were the top scripted show on NBC for a
Speaker 1: long time, but the show now is bigger than it
Speaker 1: was then through Netflix. I'm just like, what, I don't know,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Just people identifying with the characters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just season two it hit its prime. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: when it really did. It did, and they just wanted
Speaker 1: to see what was Steve gonna do next? And the
Speaker 1: whole cast of characters. Really, the whole cast of characters,
Speaker 1: you never know what they're gonna do or say no.
Speaker 1: Because we were just laughing before he came in talking
Speaker 1: about Kim. When she called me about the show, she said, Debbie, UM,
Speaker 1: you know I'm going to do this little show called
Speaker 1: The Office. You know, it's just about five um actors,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of girls in the so simple,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, can what you think? Come and
Speaker 1: join me in and let's do this. I said, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll call you tomorrow. So I didn't. I said, yeah, Kim,
Speaker 1: I'd like to do that. I'd like to do that
Speaker 1: with you. And then this little show blew up into
Speaker 1: this mega It was that hit. Yeah. So you said
Speaker 1: the show hit its prime in season two? Is that
Speaker 1: because that's when you guys came on it. Is it
Speaker 1: your responsible right and you know, we didn't have any
Speaker 1: budget either. We were so do you remember we were
Speaker 1: literally throwing like a can of hair sprayed to each
Speaker 1: other across like all the actors. Do you remember that
Speaker 1: we had no budget. We supplies and own, right, and
Speaker 1: then Kim would go to set and I would be
Speaker 1: in the trailers, so I had to do all the
Speaker 1: guest actors and everything body that came back. So all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we looked at each other set, Uh,
Speaker 1: this is getting to be bigger then we thought. So,
Speaker 1: you know, then after you know, see with the season
Speaker 1: three or four that we were able to get really
Speaker 1: got another additional persition because it was kind of our one.
Speaker 1: Remember we would take breaks to we would sat down
Speaker 1: and we didn't know if the show was going to
Speaker 1: come back, and see they'd be like, okay, hey we
Speaker 1: got another six, let's just do these six right, great, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll be back great, and then it would sat down
Speaker 1: again and it was really confusing those first step first
Speaker 1: season two, season two, Yeah, but it made it through.
Speaker 1: That must have been hard from a crew perspective to
Speaker 1: to you know, like we did that first six of
Speaker 1: season two and then we went away and we had
Speaker 1: no idea if we were coming back, you know, and
Speaker 1: then and and that's real tricky because people need to
Speaker 1: know where their money is going to come from, of course,
Speaker 1: and so you get scared that you lose your crew
Speaker 1: because you know, you don't want people go to other
Speaker 1: the shows, you know and stuff. But we were blessed.
Speaker 1: We were blessed. We kept our crew pretty much together.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were a few people that had to
Speaker 1: leave and stuff, but we were blessed all the way
Speaker 1: to the end. Yeah, what do you think was so
Speaker 1: we were going for a very realistic look, moving away
Speaker 1: from what television was at that time, if you think
Speaker 1: about friends and stuff was did that present challenges or
Speaker 1: did that make it easier? Yeah? No, presented challenges, especially
Speaker 1: for me. Well, you know both of us want to
Speaker 1: do yeah, yeah, yeah, so we both wanted worked in salons,
Speaker 1: you know, prior to getting into film television. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, when you see a person and something looks array,
Speaker 1: you know, out of out of whack and stuff, you
Speaker 1: immediately want to go over there and do something. And
Speaker 1: also with the makeup, I'm sure the verrant probably told
Speaker 1: you you want to at least haven't had a little
Speaker 1: colitude a person and everything. So yeah, it presents a challenge.
Speaker 1: And so it was funny because remember we didn't the
Speaker 1: second season though you were all having your own makeup
Speaker 1: and your own stuff. They we weren't touching them. You're
Speaker 1: forgetting because they were getting their own touch ups at
Speaker 1: their own station and they had it there and we
Speaker 1: would be sitting waiting. We would not go in that
Speaker 1: second season because that's that was per pul Fig, per
Speaker 1: Greg Daniel. But that was hard that, yeah, that you don't.
Speaker 1: It was you guys that were touching yourself up and
Speaker 1: we would see you at because the season three, okay,
Speaker 1: season three we were able to then actually go in
Speaker 1: and start doing touch ups on you. But season two
Speaker 1: it was very I remember going in different probably wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to, but I know you did not did not
Speaker 1: go in season two. It did not okay, I remember,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, yeah, and I um I remember Ken
Speaker 1: Koppas was talking to me about He said that there
Speaker 1: was and this was before you, but on the on
Speaker 1: the pilot and moving for as they were sort of
Speaker 1: establishing the look. And Ken went to all of the
Speaker 1: heads of department and said anything that you would get
Speaker 1: fired on on some other show are the things that
Speaker 1: we want. So like if a hair is out of place,
Speaker 1: and if a lighting isn't quite right, if we don't
Speaker 1: have a perfect frame shot on an actor, that's all good.
Speaker 1: We want those little mistakes to make it, you know,
Speaker 1: feel more real. Yeah, and that's kind of what you
Speaker 1: were told to write, like the hair did not have
Speaker 1: to match. Yeah, I mean originally I was offered the
Speaker 1: first six episodes, but I was still working on another show,
Speaker 1: so I couldn't do it. But I wish, I wish, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I couldn't because when we came in second season,
Speaker 1: everything changed. The whole look of the cast, yeah changed. Well. Steve,
Speaker 1: he was the first severe on that first season, and
Speaker 1: Kim softened him up. It looked great. Yeah, so what
Speaker 1: was the direction. We've talked a lot about that about
Speaker 1: you know, feeling like if we were a show that's
Speaker 1: going to go on for longer than a season or two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that Michael, we needed to find some redeeming values. And
Speaker 1: then they started writing in short ways and his look changed. Well.
Speaker 1: He also he had gone through you know, the virgin
Speaker 1: so he basically had lost a lot of weight too,
Speaker 1: and looked a bit different than we did it first.
Speaker 1: But I remember coming in and having a meeting with
Speaker 1: him and in the trailer actually and just discussing with him.
Speaker 1: You know, I watched the first six episodes when I
Speaker 1: knew I was going to get the second season, and
Speaker 1: I told him, I really, you know, they wanted him
Speaker 1: to look like Gordon Gecko. That was like his look. Technically,
Speaker 1: that's what they designed it for, Gray slick, but it
Speaker 1: was too for me. It was too greasy and too
Speaker 1: slick and and not flattering and severe. Right, So I
Speaker 1: told him, like, I really want to make a big change,
Speaker 1: and I want to discuss it with you. And I
Speaker 1: did that pretty much with a lot of the actors,
Speaker 1: just kind of skiing them, you know, how do you
Speaker 1: feel and what do you want and then let's incorporate
Speaker 1: this and then I can pitch it to Greg because
Speaker 1: he did have the final say over looks and things.
Speaker 1: And he was really great though. I mean, he would
Speaker 1: always listen to us, and if we really wanted to
Speaker 1: push one kind of look or one certain thing, it
Speaker 1: was okay, and he would always come around. So that
Speaker 1: was great. I really appreciated his thought. Yeah, So doing that,
Speaker 1: trying to create that very sort of realistic look. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: it is more difficult than sort of that high fashion.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. It was easy, it
Speaker 1: was casual. It was also look like real people, so
Speaker 1: they can be a little dishovel. I mean, it's almost
Speaker 1: easier because you're not doing the high end glam stuff.
Speaker 1: We're not putting on these you know, when I was
Speaker 1: doing Pretty liars like they have all this hair, you
Speaker 1: have this makeup, you have this wardrobe. We didn't really
Speaker 1: have that, so it wasn't except when we do special shows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when we did the Halloween episodes. Halloween episodes were always tricky,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I loved it though. I did every single
Speaker 1: week on that show higher time. Yeah, and I remember
Speaker 1: even the Halloween episodes. If you think of other shows
Speaker 1: that have Halloween episodes, the makeup, the hair, like everything
Speaker 1: should look perfect. Right. But Greg, I remember there was
Speaker 1: a discussion about him saying, well, but these are real
Speaker 1: people who are dressing up for their office, so it's
Speaker 1: not going to look perfect. Correct. He was very adamant
Speaker 1: about that. These aren't people that are going to spend
Speaker 1: huge amounts of money. They just want to throw like
Speaker 1: a cheap He's like, make sure it's a cheap, simple
Speaker 1: wig that someone would buy office, you know, a basic store.
Speaker 1: It's not like a whole thing. Although we got a
Speaker 1: little more into that when you know, Rain and Creed
Speaker 1: and they started. We started with the wigs, and it
Speaker 1: got a little better as we went further. But in
Speaker 1: the beginning, yeah, definitely, And now what did you show
Speaker 1: and tells? For him? I would walk upstairs, I would
Speaker 1: present the whigs because he would give me an idea
Speaker 1: of you know, I want you know, Mindy to have this.
Speaker 1: I want you know, Rain to have this um and
Speaker 1: he would give me some ideas to go with and
Speaker 1: then I would present it to him. So I would
Speaker 1: carry it up and go to the writers or I
Speaker 1: try to make sure not many writers were in there,
Speaker 1: so that it was just kind of him and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't get too many beings because it gets lost. But
Speaker 1: it was great that the collaboration was fun and they
Speaker 1: were always open to it, and it was fun to
Speaker 1: be in there and watch them like laugh at this
Speaker 1: stuff and be like, oh, that's gonna be so great
Speaker 1: or it's gonna be so good on them. It was fun.
Speaker 1: Do you feel there was more collaboration on the office
Speaker 1: than other shows. Yes, absolutely. I think what I love
Speaker 1: about Greg is that he even if he wanted to
Speaker 1: discuss it, like he would listen and he would hear
Speaker 1: your side of it. It wasn't in other shows where
Speaker 1: they're just like, no, we want it like this. So,
Speaker 1: you know, he's such a kind person. And he would
Speaker 1: kind of stroll into our trailers sometimes and just wander around,
Speaker 1: which I love. And we were doing right and I'd
Speaker 1: be like anything, He's like no, and he just like
Speaker 1: walked through, like I need a haircut or anything. Sure, great,
Speaker 1: he's adelic sometimes he just you know, randomly come in.
Speaker 1: But yes, he's such a good person. But he trusts
Speaker 1: the people that he hired, and that's what I respect,
Speaker 1: and that's what I really appreciated about him. Yeah. He
Speaker 1: it's what do they say, what's the He's smart enough
Speaker 1: to know what he doesn't know, you know, like he
Speaker 1: you know, like and get the people that do. Yes.
Speaker 1: Have you said that quote about Stephen Way too? What
Speaker 1: was it? Okay, this is a great speed of the
Speaker 1: leader is the speed of the game. I tell Steve
Speaker 1: that my girlfriend gave me that quote, um, meaning that
Speaker 1: the person that is upfront, is who has the you know,
Speaker 1: the authority and the wherewithal umility, responsibility, our leader, they're
Speaker 1: they're the leaders, and then the gang follows. So whoever
Speaker 1: is upfront, they're going to look at that person. That's
Speaker 1: what keeps us together, the leader. Yeah. Do you think
Speaker 1: Steve was a good leader? Yeah? I do. Great leader,
Speaker 1: a great leader. So, Debbie, when Steve laught, I was
Speaker 1: reminded a lot of people went around from different departments
Speaker 1: and told stories about Steve. And three different people have
Speaker 1: told me one story, which was the story that you told, Um,
Speaker 1: it was about him. You were in a van. Yes, Uh,
Speaker 1: Steve was quite a gentleman and Um at that time,
Speaker 1: nobody really knew. But I was going through a situation
Speaker 1: with my hip. I was in a lot of pain
Speaker 1: and getting up and down on the van was very
Speaker 1: hard for me, and so UM Kim and all the games,
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of knew, and so they would
Speaker 1: let me sit in the front when we would go
Speaker 1: on on location and stuff. So this one day, UM,
Speaker 1: we were all gathering into the van. Um, Steve and
Speaker 1: some of the actors and I went to proceed to
Speaker 1: go in the back, and he looked at me. He goes, Abby,
Speaker 1: where are you going? I said, well, I'm letting you say.
Speaker 1: He said, you go and take that seat, and I just, um,
Speaker 1: I just thought that was such a kind thing, because
Speaker 1: here is he's the star of the show. And he
Speaker 1: always did. He would stand there at that van. He
Speaker 1: would hold the door and help us in the van.
Speaker 1: You know, I said, some mama's raised a nice young man.
Speaker 1: But that's how he was, right. Yeah, but he did
Speaker 1: that with everybody, even you know what I mean, even
Speaker 1: just like he would wait and some other people would
Speaker 1: just go to their trailers, but he always stood there
Speaker 1: and every single woman down, every single man with him.
Speaker 1: And yes, so that meant so much to me. And
Speaker 1: it was funny because he came back, I think it
Speaker 1: was towards the end and um, he said, how are
Speaker 1: you doing, Debby? I said, I'm doing fine. Since I've
Speaker 1: seen you got a new hips bionic nowmers and since
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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. I was trying into Laverne about
Speaker 1: what people don't realize is the hair and makeup trailer
Speaker 1: is what is what is it is the trick. It
Speaker 1: is the place where everybody comes. Um, you can make
Speaker 1: a break a show in the makeup and hair trail.
Speaker 1: I'm serious. You can make or break a show, sir.
Speaker 1: Well because the way the environment is created. The way
Speaker 1: the environment is created because when actors come in in
Speaker 1: the morning, that early in the morning, it has to
Speaker 1: be calm and a safe place that they know they
Speaker 1: can come in. They can you know, study their lines,
Speaker 1: they can just relax and you as you work, you
Speaker 1: get to know your actors. You get to know when
Speaker 1: they're feeling okay and when they're not. You get to
Speaker 1: know when you can talk to them and laugh and joke,
Speaker 1: and you get to know when you need to shut
Speaker 1: up and don't say not exactly walk away and you
Speaker 1: need to walk away, I mean, or you know, just
Speaker 1: give them their space. Right So I told do so
Speaker 1: that one time on another show. I said, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta know that it starts right in here. We
Speaker 1: create an atmosphere and give them a place of safe,
Speaker 1: a safe place, and the kind place we might play
Speaker 1: music that's soothing so that they can get into character
Speaker 1: and give them the performance that you need. You know,
Speaker 1: it's very interesting. I haven't really thought about this before,
Speaker 1: but just hearing you talk, just go with me for
Speaker 1: a second. Maybe this is bad, but when you hear
Speaker 1: some of what you're saying, the thing that is occurring
Speaker 1: to me is that you don't realize that as an
Speaker 1: actor you're being poked and prodded kind of for twelve
Speaker 1: hours a day. Yeah, Like, there's no in in no
Speaker 1: other sort of business. Are there people up in your
Speaker 1: business business? Right? For it's like unzip your pants, take
Speaker 1: off your pants, let's run this wire up your leg,
Speaker 1: onto your chest, us onto your skin. You know, someone's
Speaker 1: touching your face and touching your hand, right, And there
Speaker 1: are times where like you're trying to work on a scene,
Speaker 1: you're trying to do something and it's just like poke poke,
Speaker 1: poke poke, And so yeah, like the necessity to have
Speaker 1: an environment, especially first time that we're just getting ready,
Speaker 1: like like sort of like stay away jackals. Let's you know,
Speaker 1: let's at least start the day we have to do
Speaker 1: these things, but let's try to create an environment that
Speaker 1: doesn't create sort of high stress and high anxiety from
Speaker 1: the very beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well will you
Speaker 1: try to feel your actors and when you go you
Speaker 1: might look up an Brian, do you need anything? And
Speaker 1: you'll say no, and I'll say okay, back off and
Speaker 1: go to the next person. You know, So we try
Speaker 1: to respect that because we know that that is a
Speaker 1: thing where somebody's coming at you all the time. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like okay, I need a break here, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's especially I would say hot Nuity photos too.
Speaker 1: I know we had that thing up there. You'd have
Speaker 1: to stand there with all four sides, a thing that
Speaker 1: we have to do, and I know it's got to
Speaker 1: be annoying when you're we do, but we have to
Speaker 1: do our job too, because this is the stuff we
Speaker 1: have to submit. This is we have to turn in.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a record, because sometimes it
Speaker 1: is the question was that curl this way? Or was
Speaker 1: it that? And then that's come on. But basically, you
Speaker 1: guys were really, really good. I mean you were very patient.
Speaker 1: And I went to another show and uh no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. Somebody told me Phillis was on another show,
Speaker 1: and um she went in and the guy said, I
Speaker 1: need to take your picture. Phillis got up there, she said,
Speaker 1: turn around. The guy said, Dabby. She did all four sides.
Speaker 1: It was hilarious. Did Phillis just into She didn't, She
Speaker 1: didn't squawk about that's because we had to do that. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: we had such a large cast, a large and it
Speaker 1: just get up bigger and bigger. This season, it just
Speaker 1: kept up getting bigger and bigger and bigger. So so
Speaker 1: many people to track and have to take care of. Yes, indeed,
Speaker 1: we had to keep a book. Yeah, Laverne talked about
Speaker 1: the battle plan that was important every day. That is
Speaker 1: something that the eighties would make for us, and we'd
Speaker 1: have basically a chart and it would have like at
Speaker 1: the top of it it would be you know, Kim
Speaker 1: and then who I do, and then Debbie and who
Speaker 1: she does down the line, and then then there was
Speaker 1: a makeup side as well, so we could really know
Speaker 1: and understand who was going where at what time because
Speaker 1: it was so many people getting through the work first,
Speaker 1: and then when it was like everybody had to be
Speaker 1: at ona set, well that was you know, we had
Speaker 1: to with every through. Yeah, but we got him through.
Speaker 1: We did all the time. The time we did who
Speaker 1: were the actors that you principally took care of. Um,
Speaker 1: I did Steve, John, Jenna, Angela, b J, Mindy and
Speaker 1: Mike Sure yeah he was yeah yeah. And then you
Speaker 1: and I did Phillis, I did you, I did um Kate,
Speaker 1: Oscar and Leslie Yea and then Guest split them up.
Speaker 1: I loved I bet you did. Everybody loved it. Address
Speaker 1: You're Everyone was like Debbie. You know, he was British Debbie.
Speaker 1: His hair is fine. Why are you still messing with
Speaker 1: his hair? Funny, little Debbie, Debbie, get your hands, get
Speaker 1: your hand off dresses hair, Debbie, It's fine, pashion. He
Speaker 1: he was a nice guy. He was really a nice guy. Um,
Speaker 1: but you took care of you both worked on it.
Speaker 1: But kind of the biggest I think I can't think
Speaker 1: of really anything bigger. Hair additions throughout the series became
Speaker 1: Kevin's Tupay. I almost brought that today. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: about it because it's in my storage. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: literally driving here I go. Yes, I should have gone,
Speaker 1: and I would have like presented it to you so
Speaker 1: you could pet it one more time. I'll bring it
Speaker 1: back for you. Yes, monumental. Yeah, I have a Oh
Speaker 1: I just posted a picture on my Instagram. Hold on,
Speaker 1: but it's like the picture of you when I was
Speaker 1: first trying it on, you remember, and Jenna and Oscar
Speaker 1: came up and they're just like they were making fun
Speaker 1: of you, and we were like they were heckling him,
Speaker 1: but he was standing strong. He was standing strong. This
Speaker 1: whole thing us. I think it was supposed to be
Speaker 1: just a gag for the wedding. Yes, it was a gig,
Speaker 1: and then it came back, came back. Um, so you
Speaker 1: guys come in season two. We're struggling. We're struggling. Then
Speaker 1: at the end of that season we get picked up
Speaker 1: fairly early for a full third season and The Office
Speaker 1: wins the Emmy for Best Comedy. Do you remember those
Speaker 1: feelings or did you feel like, well, we've got job
Speaker 1: security now, or you know what was the what was
Speaker 1: the feeling around there as we shifted from a little
Speaker 1: engine that maybe do you remember? Um? I remember this
Speaker 1: because this was when for the Emmy's all the girls
Speaker 1: came in that day to the trailer and they had
Speaker 1: cheese and crackers and we had champagne and it was
Speaker 1: us doing them in our trailer where you know, everyone
Speaker 1: else is going too high. End, you know, salons and
Speaker 1: they're probably getting everything done, but all the girls wanted
Speaker 1: to be together and it was so sweet. It was
Speaker 1: such a fun morning and it was just us doing
Speaker 1: their hair and everyone was excited and they were happy
Speaker 1: and it was getting and were It was amazing. It
Speaker 1: was amazing, and they were like eating and drinking. We
Speaker 1: were doing champagne and we're like, wow, what if you
Speaker 1: guys like you're gonna win, We're gonna win. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And then it did. And then that we saw the
Speaker 1: pictures and it was just what a great moment. It
Speaker 1: was like a victory for our little show that could
Speaker 1: really Yeah, I totally forgot about that. All the ladies
Speaker 1: came and in the trail, like literally in the trailer.
Speaker 1: In the trailer. Yeah, yeah they did. That's really good.
Speaker 1: And then things went well for a while and then
Speaker 1: there was the strike. Yes, what are your memories of
Speaker 1: that time? Well, it was you know, everybody was like
Speaker 1: up in the air about whether we're going to have
Speaker 1: jobs or not. And uh, we we went down for
Speaker 1: what like well, yeah it did, um. But the first
Speaker 1: remember the first day we didn't want to cross because
Speaker 1: the writers were there literally the whole cast um as
Speaker 1: we were standing and I remember b J, you know,
Speaker 1: you had the fence right that we had, and he
Speaker 1: was on the other side of it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to cross either. I'm union where He's
Speaker 1: like it's okay. I'm like, it's not okay. And I
Speaker 1: remember getting choked up, like I don't want to do
Speaker 1: this to you. You guys are my family, Like I
Speaker 1: don't want to pass. And he said no, look they're
Speaker 1: telling you to cross. And so we sat on the
Speaker 1: stage and just waited. We just waited because there was
Speaker 1: nothing else we could do. If I think about six
Speaker 1: seven hours later, they said you can go home. I
Speaker 1: remember we went. I think that I never got in
Speaker 1: hair and makeup. I guess there were a couple of
Speaker 1: talking heads that were shot that could be shot, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't. No, There wasn't much no. And I remember
Speaker 1: being there as well because at a certain point we
Speaker 1: weren't sure what was happening. Word so awkward. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know, as a mom of two young kids and
Speaker 1: I was the person supporting my household, um, it was terrifying.
Speaker 1: But I will never forget Greg Daniels and his wife
Speaker 1: writing a check. Remember that for a thousand dollars every thousand,
Speaker 1: twelve hundred, every family, every family. I was floor because
Speaker 1: that made such a difference to my household. I said.
Speaker 1: I went to the mail that day, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: people were sending Christmas cards and stuff, and so I
Speaker 1: looked at the cards and then I saw this card
Speaker 1: from Craig Daniels. I'm going, oh, isn't that nice? And
Speaker 1: so I opened up the card and I'm reading and
Speaker 1: then I see this check. And I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: really look at it really clearly at first, you know,
Speaker 1: and I, oh, how sweet. I thought it was a
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. I looked at and I started Catholic zeroes,
Speaker 1: and I said, oh my god, I'm telling you. I
Speaker 1: almost literally beat on myself. I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I could not believe it. But I
Speaker 1: told that story to quite a few of my friends
Speaker 1: who worked on other shows, and they were like, are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? I said no, they, I said, the
Speaker 1: producer and the actors, because you guys came after the
Speaker 1: strike was over, when we came back, and you gave
Speaker 1: us like two thousand dollars a piece to the whole
Speaker 1: crew that wasn't heard of, that was simply unheard of.
Speaker 1: It was such a blessing to all of us because
Speaker 1: many people had at least like him, and they needed
Speaker 1: to know they had some sucks sort of security and
Speaker 1: what what they were gonna do? I mean because other
Speaker 1: shows were down also, So this was such a blessing.
Speaker 1: And uh, well because we were family. Yeah at that point.
Speaker 1: That's true. Family, That's absolutely true. Yeah, you felt it.
Speaker 1: I mean, Greg, you know the caterers and what show
Speaker 1: has the same caterers for nine years? Eventually someone's like
Speaker 1: we did, right, guys, we love to burn in a
Speaker 1: good way, right. But I mean, he he didn't ever
Speaker 1: want to change it up. He had loyalty to everyone
Speaker 1: who was there. Yeah he did, Yeah, he did. Those
Speaker 1: guys were so good. We ate well. They they would
Speaker 1: even remember. They would put up on our like if
Speaker 1: you they knew that you liked a certain thing they
Speaker 1: made like a name of my breedo or something. True.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. I still have pictures of those menus.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's right. And we had the best craft
Speaker 1: service at Peter Peter, God blessed, God bless him. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: get your favorite shows. You started talking about this a
Speaker 1: little before, but just how hair changed over over the
Speaker 1: course of the show, like specifically with Pam or with
Speaker 1: Kelly What we Are The decisions that were made, were
Speaker 1: you softening Pam or what happened? It depended on what
Speaker 1: episode we were doing. Again, Originally in the beginning they
Speaker 1: were supposed to be very simple, very plain, you know,
Speaker 1: regular day people. But as some people became producers of
Speaker 1: the show, then they had an actual say more in
Speaker 1: what I could do for them. So, um, you'll see
Speaker 1: the evolution of you know, Pam's hair for instance, where
Speaker 1: she was very kind of messy and it was a
Speaker 1: scrunchy thing and kind of little back, right, yeah, and
Speaker 1: she had that clip in all the time, and then
Speaker 1: and then literally in season two and I remember her
Speaker 1: talking about this because I listened to her podcast, but
Speaker 1: she said, you know, Kim was so happy for the
Speaker 1: first time ever she was able to have all of
Speaker 1: her hair down, which was true because we had had it,
Speaker 1: you know, in a clip with the scrunchet and it
Speaker 1: was just and she has this natural curl and we
Speaker 1: got to kind of smooth it out and make it
Speaker 1: a little more fun and a little more designed. And
Speaker 1: the same thing with Angela. You know, Originally her character
Speaker 1: was she's supposed to be very severe, she's very uptight,
Speaker 1: she doesn't really care as much. She just wants, you know,
Speaker 1: she's all business. So that was true in the first
Speaker 1: few but then as that evolved as well, then she
Speaker 1: had her hair in a ponytail, and then sometimes she'd
Speaker 1: have it down and I did the Angela braid on her,
Speaker 1: which was really fun, and that little headband braid, and
Speaker 1: and so she got to be a little softer, but
Speaker 1: also her character was softening. So I think it kind
Speaker 1: of played with how they, you know, what their direction was,
Speaker 1: as they're falling in love with different people, or their
Speaker 1: meeting new people or kind of that course of it
Speaker 1: just going forward. But um, and the same thing with
Speaker 1: Steve when I first met him, and we changed his
Speaker 1: hair immediately, and he was really on board too, so
Speaker 1: that kind of stayed and he kind of kept that
Speaker 1: same look for him the whole time. But again there
Speaker 1: were a lot of hair gags. There was gum and
Speaker 1: his hair. I remember that day. I had to have
Speaker 1: peanut butter on my hands for twelve hours and it
Speaker 1: was just insane. So, you know, every gag had its thing.
Speaker 1: And even the big thing with with Kate and having
Speaker 1: her head shaved, that was four weeks of prep for
Speaker 1: me because I had to plan you know, she needed
Speaker 1: to be bald, so we needed a specialist and then
Speaker 1: he ended up, you know, doing the ball cap for her.
Speaker 1: But I had to build hair pieces for her, and
Speaker 1: we had to do tests, and we had to do
Speaker 1: another test and then a third test and then remember
Speaker 1: you guys were like grabbing the hair, and you know,
Speaker 1: I had to teach her and I had to shave um.
Speaker 1: I had to get a certain clipper, and then I
Speaker 1: had to modify the clipper just so it wouldn't tear
Speaker 1: if she was pushing it back because it was so thin,
Speaker 1: so you have to make sure it's not going to tear.
Speaker 1: Like there was so many variables to that. It was
Speaker 1: four weeks of prep just for that gag. But everybody
Speaker 1: thought she actually shaved her head, which it was pretty great,
Speaker 1: So pretty great, and you know and and and Kate
Speaker 1: has really healthy and it so much so much to
Speaker 1: make that flat. It took me forty five minutes to
Speaker 1: do the actual rap to get her head underneath. And
Speaker 1: then yeah, it was a lot, which was fun. Though
Speaker 1: I loved that stuff. I love that Greg would challenge
Speaker 1: me and he was happy each time, which was great.
Speaker 1: So right, was there ever any discussion about Pam's hair
Speaker 1: changing based on where she was with her relationship with Jim? Yes? Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: what about that? As she was kind of they were
Speaker 1: kind of falling for each other. She got a lot
Speaker 1: more softer, so we did. We got rid of all
Speaker 1: her natural curl and we started doing like blow dries,
Speaker 1: and then we started doing curls and waves and something
Speaker 1: very soft because she was kind of falling in love
Speaker 1: with this person and same thing for him, so it
Speaker 1: definitely changed for her at that point. Right, Um, so
Speaker 1: did you leave before the end? I sadly did a
Speaker 1: few days. Um, because as the show was ending, right,
Speaker 1: Greg kept adding and then he added another week, and
Speaker 1: then he added another week. And what I had set
Speaker 1: up was that I was going to be going to
Speaker 1: show Pretty Little Liars actually, and I had gotten that job,
Speaker 1: but it was literally like a month and a half away.
Speaker 1: So I thought, well, fine, I'll take a little time off,
Speaker 1: you know, and then I'll just top on this other show.
Speaker 1: And then he like booked another week and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: and I even told production too, I you know, this
Speaker 1: is getting nervous, because then it pushed again and I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, this is really getting close, and I'm
Speaker 1: a little nervous, but they're like, no, no, no, it's
Speaker 1: never going to go over that. And then I remember
Speaker 1: literally the Sunday night that we were wrapping or I wrapped,
Speaker 1: we still had a couple more days. It was like
Speaker 1: three more days or something. I think you did, I
Speaker 1: don't remember, but um, I was devastated because I really
Speaker 1: wanted to be there. That was my show. I lived
Speaker 1: that show for ten years basically, you know, on and
Speaker 1: off with the seasons that we would go down a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, it was really hard for me to
Speaker 1: not be there those last few days, and I know
Speaker 1: that it was a whole thing with everyone there and
Speaker 1: everyone came back, and I felt really left out. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. It was sad. Oh yeah, yeah, because
Speaker 1: that was I mean, I lived that show for so
Speaker 1: long and it was all of my friends, and I
Speaker 1: wish I could have been there. I know, Debbie took
Speaker 1: over and she ran it, you know, those last few days,
Speaker 1: and I knew she would do a great job. But
Speaker 1: it was really hard because I then, you know, started
Speaker 1: Sunday night, I rapped, I think it was like twelve
Speaker 1: thirty at night, and then Monday morning I went in
Speaker 1: at seven am to load into the next trailer and
Speaker 1: worked you know that week as a prep week, and
Speaker 1: then when right into that show, so I didn't get
Speaker 1: a break but I really hate that I missed those
Speaker 1: last few days. But they would send me pictures and
Speaker 1: they were communicating Yeah awesome. I mean to see a
Speaker 1: show that you've been with all that many years and
Speaker 1: your baby, it was your baby. Yeah. I mean we
Speaker 1: were there from the beginning and uh, you know, people came,
Speaker 1: people went, but we were still there and to see
Speaker 1: it all come to an end that it was just
Speaker 1: kind of heart wrenching. It. Yeah, my kids would come
Speaker 1: and visit and I had that picnic table in the back,
Speaker 1: if you remember, because I would just want to sit
Speaker 1: with them privately, and every time all the actors and more,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, no, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't. They would come up, they would pick
Speaker 1: up the kids, they would take them to craft service
Speaker 1: and it was so sweet, like it was such a
Speaker 1: great I don't know if you'll ever have another show
Speaker 1: like that. I really I don't know, do you. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was such a different show than anything I've ever
Speaker 1: been on. And I still am in touch with Angela.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm hopefully going to go to their podcast
Speaker 1: and hang with them for a minute. But you know,
Speaker 1: it was so nice to see Creed in Vegas and
Speaker 1: then I've I've seen Kate doing some shows and was
Speaker 1: still in touch and still there. You know, Um, I
Speaker 1: did this crazy show for Hulu Housewives, yeah and the kidding,
Speaker 1: and I went and uh, they were telling me who
Speaker 1: was going to be on it, and I saw Angela
Speaker 1: and so I said, well, you know, we're not going
Speaker 1: to tell it until we had to meet with the actors.
Speaker 1: And so when I walked in, face just lit dbny
Speaker 1: and that we hugged each other. It was just wonderful.
Speaker 1: She said, I didn't know you were going to be here.
Speaker 1: It was a good surprise, and so we were able
Speaker 1: to you know, work everything out and it was just
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, home Week, it's great. Hey, it's
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I um yeah, it's just to me,
Speaker 1: it's crazy like these I mean ordinary is a nice
Speaker 1: way to say it, but a lot of ordinary looking
Speaker 1: people on this show, middle aged office workers, even though
Speaker 1: the characters are universal. The fact that so many kids
Speaker 1: are into it. Now, my kids are into this show.
Speaker 1: Now you know how weird that is for me. They
Speaker 1: love has a dunder Miff Flinn shirt. He has dunder
Speaker 1: mi Flynn pants. Like he says, like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: All my friends and they love that show, Like you know,
Speaker 1: it makes me kind of cool. Yes, you are how old?
Speaker 1: He's fifteen and he's four now four Connor just passed me.
Speaker 1: It's not they were yeah, they were tiny. Do they
Speaker 1: remember anything about being there? They remember craft service? Okay, right,
Speaker 1: well that makes sense. Yeah, that's where they can get
Speaker 1: All my friends. Teenagers and young adult are into it,
Speaker 1: all of them. Yeah. Yeah, and you're like you said,
Speaker 1: if you wear anything it has like my jacket or
Speaker 1: I have my chat onto something. People walk out there
Speaker 1: like right on you know, yeah, they stopped you and stuff.
Speaker 1: I know, we did the thing out and uh we
Speaker 1: were at the country club somewhere in West l As.
Speaker 1: It was a golf thing, yes, remember remember yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and so we were going back and forth and they
Speaker 1: were huge crowds of young people, teenagers that were like
Speaker 1: so excited about the show. Yeah. Yeah, even then it
Speaker 1: appealed to yes, its young parents though, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it appears that it appeals I'm telling you from
Speaker 1: thirteen on up. Is your thirteen year old into it
Speaker 1: or more than sixteen? He was watching it for a while,
Speaker 1: but then he's kind of switched into his mother stuff,
Speaker 1: so he goes back to it. But yeah, ever is
Speaker 1: excited that he um, yeah, that he had stuff from
Speaker 1: the show, and yeah it's kind of cool. Yeah six four,
Speaker 1: I know. Let me let me ask you one more question.
Speaker 1: Why would you choose to work in film and television
Speaker 1: as opposed to like a salon. Okay, I can tell
Speaker 1: you what it is for me. Um. As a little girl,
Speaker 1: I used to watch television and old movies. I loved
Speaker 1: old movies, you know, Clark Gable, Myrna Lloyd, whoever, Gary Cooper,
Speaker 1: Sydney Porty and Kelly Gene, Kelly, Freda Stare, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Rosy Russell. So it was just a dream of mine.
Speaker 1: And I guess as I grew up, and I just
Speaker 1: started realizing what God gave me as a gift, which
Speaker 1: was was doing here. I did. My mother would give
Speaker 1: me dollars every year and by the time the to
Speaker 1: get up Christmas, by the time June came, they were
Speaker 1: balled here because I curled him and twisted them. And
Speaker 1: now and with the new So I guess when I
Speaker 1: came out here, it was a goal of mine to
Speaker 1: get into film and television. That wasn't an easy thing,
Speaker 1: but um, I just kept pursuing and um, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't my timing. It was God's timing. And uh, one
Speaker 1: day he opened up a door for me and I
Speaker 1: went through and oh my god, it's just been wonderful.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to work, and I worked in the salon.
Speaker 1: I had a very successful career in the salon. When
Speaker 1: I got ready to leave, my clients were like, what
Speaker 1: you leave in me? You know, I a platform artists
Speaker 1: to write a platform artists. Yeah, I worked for Revlon
Speaker 1: for many years and so I had different phases of
Speaker 1: the beauty industry, but this was and is my favorite. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I I've been um blessed to work on some really
Speaker 1: great shows, meet some really good people. This one here, now,
Speaker 1: I just gotta say how much I love and care
Speaker 1: about her. Um Oh, I know what you're gonna say
Speaker 1: when we started this show, and you're gonna excuse me.
Speaker 1: We started the show. Um, I was diagnosed with breast cancer.
Speaker 1: And uh, I told Jimmy. I said, Kim, I know
Speaker 1: that you know you you need to have somebody that's
Speaker 1: going to be around and help you and do and all.
Speaker 1: And um, you know I'm gonna have to go and
Speaker 1: take care of this. And I appreciate you let me
Speaker 1: work with you so far, but I know you're gonna
Speaker 1: need to get somebody else. And she said to me,
Speaker 1: Debbie Pierce, I will not let you go because you're
Speaker 1: gonna need those hours and are going to need that
Speaker 1: to get through this. So I will cover your shift
Speaker 1: every night, and you will go to therapy and you
Speaker 1: will take care of yourself so you survive this. And
Speaker 1: I will do anything you need, and she did. She
Speaker 1: brought in some people temporarily to help. And then I, um,
Speaker 1: I went all you guys, yea, all guys. She wouldn't
Speaker 1: let me quit. Um. I went UH through treatment for
Speaker 1: two and a half months. I left every day after
Speaker 1: after touch ups at two and I went to UH
Speaker 1: Daniel Freeman, which is no more in l A meeting Inglewood,
Speaker 1: and I took my treatment. I had my surgery and
Speaker 1: took my treatment and I came back to work. And
Speaker 1: you guys, you know, we're so kind and loving to me,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that so much to this day. I
Speaker 1: I just love this one. Yeah, and you're still here
Speaker 1: kicking at girls. Yeah we did the right thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did well. How does it feel knowing you were
Speaker 1: a little girl watching Clark Gable and fred as Stare
Speaker 1: and you grew up and became an important part of
Speaker 1: television history yourself, Brian, I can't tell you, um what
Speaker 1: a feeling that is. Um. The last two years eighteen
Speaker 1: and nineteen, I worked on a couple of projects that
Speaker 1: were nominated for Emmys, and I got nominated along with
Speaker 1: those projects, and I I was this floored because here's
Speaker 1: this little black girl from Younger's New York who watched
Speaker 1: all those people on the movies and television and everything.
Speaker 1: And now I have an opportunity two be in that
Speaker 1: arena and do the work. I was honored. I was thrilled.
Speaker 1: I was humbled. I was thanking my God that I
Speaker 1: was able to I have this opportunity to do what
Speaker 1: I love to do. It was amazing. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: So I I'm and I'm still in awe. You know.
Speaker 1: I worked on a thing a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Uh they were doing the thing called Perry Amazing. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they're doing a Perry Amazing, which is a period they're
Speaker 1: doing it when he was a young lawyer. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was very cool. They did it. Then we did the
Speaker 1: thirties and all. So that was wonderful for me. And
Speaker 1: that was the great thing about um, you know, having
Speaker 1: opportunities to go back and do periods that you grew
Speaker 1: up seeing. It's just fun here to do, you know.
Speaker 1: And even when we did stuff on the show, doing
Speaker 1: different wigs and stuff to uh, you know whatever characters,
Speaker 1: and we did Ferrell, um, Will Ferrell, we had we
Speaker 1: did Will Ferrell and uh you remember Fred Astare. But
Speaker 1: not Will Ferrell. Sorry, Will's a lovely man. It's such
Speaker 1: a lovely man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we did. We did. Uh,
Speaker 1: we did some fun things. Phyllis is wedding. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: are you What are you most proud of? Honestly, I
Speaker 1: would say The Office, I really would. It was such
Speaker 1: a great show. It was it seemed in the beginning
Speaker 1: we had so many challenges and it just wasn't gonna go,
Speaker 1: but we stuck with it, and then it just like
Speaker 1: slowly got this falling. And actually I remember, um, and
Speaker 1: I've said this to other people, remember when you guys
Speaker 1: had my Space where before Facebook, they all went out
Speaker 1: and I remember, like Jenna and Johnny, like all of you,
Speaker 1: We're going and saying, you know, we want to be
Speaker 1: on Carson, we want to go on these shows. And
Speaker 1: you put yourself out there. And I feel sincerely that
Speaker 1: that's what saved the show because you were, you know,
Speaker 1: in a in a time where we didn't have i mean,
Speaker 1: social media. How it is today's crazy, but back then
Speaker 1: you were physically going to shows, you were going on
Speaker 1: my Space. You understood that we could reach more people,
Speaker 1: and I think that helped float it and then it
Speaker 1: turned it. Yeah, I mean we were definitely so we
Speaker 1: were struggling so much and we all felt like it
Speaker 1: could end at any moment. Yeah, there was a very
Speaker 1: active campaign by the actors to say, like, let's see
Speaker 1: if we can keep this going a little bit longer,
Speaker 1: just because we felt it was. It was a good
Speaker 1: show and it was worth it. You put into work,
Speaker 1: You actually put into work, and that's what turned everything around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it did, It really did. And I think yes, like
Speaker 1: I said, season two, I think it found it the
Speaker 1: footing of it, and it kind of excelled and it
Speaker 1: just it took on a life of its own, and
Speaker 1: I think that's really what held it together. And I
Speaker 1: knew they within a few weeks were like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: really did and it just went forever, which was awesome.
Speaker 1: So it was nice to have that long of a
Speaker 1: run and through the whole process to what was cool
Speaker 1: is that people are getting married, people are buying cars
Speaker 1: for the first time, people are buying house and you know,
Speaker 1: so it kind of it was such a cool thing
Speaker 1: to see everybody, you know, moving into different stages of
Speaker 1: what of life. Yeah, yeah, I mean my whole thirties
Speaker 1: was spent there. Oh wow, Yes, I mean that's that's
Speaker 1: a decade. It was a decade of our lives. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. That's why it's so sentimental and it's so
Speaker 1: it meant so much, such a great show. Yeah. Well, um,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for coming to talk to
Speaker 1: me so much. It's so good to see. It's so
Speaker 1: good to see you. I will get your hairpiece to you.
Speaker 1: We'll just try it, you know. I just wore a
Speaker 1: really really bad one for the first time since then,
Speaker 1: like a really bad Yes. I mean it was sort
Speaker 1: of intentionally it was. It was a movie that took
Speaker 1: place in the eighties, and it had kind of a
Speaker 1: what is it Jimmy swagger, like Jim Baker kind of.
Speaker 1: They showed me a picture of the idea, which was
Speaker 1: like kind of a Sam Donaldson with that like strong
Speaker 1: strong with the hair. Yeah, so it wasn't necessarily supposed
Speaker 1: to look good. I don't know, I haven't seen the dailies.
Speaker 1: We'll see if it if that works, if it works
Speaker 1: like somewhat believably because there's yeah, but yeah, it comes
Speaker 1: off during the movie. Yeah. Um, thanks you guys. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, the three of us, can we get a
Speaker 1: photo of me and oh my gosh, so good to
Speaker 1: see you. Oh how much fun did I have? Debbie
Speaker 1: and Kim, thank you so much for joining me. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed talking to you. And let me just say,
Speaker 1: I am so glad that you decided to join the
Speaker 1: TV biz and leave your beauty salons. I don't know
Speaker 1: what we would have done without you and listeners. I
Speaker 1: don't know what we would do without you, so thank
Speaker 1: you so much for listening. You know, if a tree
Speaker 1: falls in the woods and no one listens, did we
Speaker 1: make this podcast? I don't know, but I hope you
Speaker 1: have a magnificent week and I'm going to see you
Speaker 1: next time for another episode of the Office Deep Dive.
Speaker 1: The Office Deep Dive is hosted and executive produced by
Speaker 1: me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Lang Lee. Our
Speaker 1: senior producer is Tessa Kramer. Our producers are Diego Tapia
Speaker 1: and Liz Hayes. My main man in the booth is
Speaker 1: Alec Moore. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak, performed by
Speaker 1: my great friend Creed Bratton, and the episode was mixed
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