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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Hulet's go, Let's go, Let's go Giants. Dunt I like it?

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Speaker 3: Out of my Giants bubble, give me some jump part

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Speaker 3: of the Giants Podcast network.

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Speaker 2: Let's Roll.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's always good to see Pepper Johnson back here

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Speaker 4: at Giants camp.

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Speaker 2: You know what he played.

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Speaker 4: He was six three, two fifty out Defensive ends are

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Speaker 4: like two hundred and fifty pounds.

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Speaker 5: You would be a monster up front these days. Yes, yes, well,

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Speaker 5: you know, we had a big crew. We had a

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Speaker 5: big linebacker cruise some a lot of us played the

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Speaker 5: defensive line and played the linebacker spot.

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Speaker 2: So but we could run. So you know, the more

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Speaker 2: you can do, Yeah, that that's for sure.

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Speaker 4: And the transition of today's linebacker compared to what they

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Speaker 4: did back in your day, it's a little different now.

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Speaker 1: These guys are a little more spelt.

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Speaker 2: I guess, yes, well, we you know what it's the

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Speaker 2: game is more reaction.

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Speaker 5: They're throwing different stuff at him offensively, so.

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Speaker 2: They need to be a little nifty to get around. Well,

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Speaker 2: we did.

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Speaker 5: We we studied the opponents, We studied a lot of tendencies,

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Speaker 5: and we protected ourselves by our limp and I hide

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Speaker 5: and I when I'm coaching guys, I try to tell

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Speaker 5: them that they don't really believe they want to keep

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Speaker 5: up with them, and I'm like, hey, man, the last

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Speaker 5: I checked, they have to get passed me to score.

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Speaker 5: So all I keep them in front of me and

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Speaker 5: defend them that way, and then you know, when they

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Speaker 5: pass the ball, get between them and the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Makes it difficult.

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Speaker 4: But well, I think one of the things that they

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Speaker 4: ought to keep in mind is that you are part

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Speaker 4: of the Giants' old time one hundred top players in

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Speaker 4: franchise history, and that's an incredible, incredible honor of respect.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine what that was like when you got

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Speaker 1: that phone call.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I was. I was shocked. I was shocked,

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Speaker 5: so but yeah, it was. It was very pleasurable. I'm

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Speaker 5: still waiting to see the whole one hundred list because

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Speaker 5: it's I feel uncomfortable call and castills stay in touch

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Speaker 5: with a lot of my teammates and I don't know

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Speaker 5: who's on the list and who's not on the list,

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Speaker 5: And the last thing I want to do is call

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Speaker 5: didn't make the list.

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Speaker 1: But I think Banks, Taylor, and Carson are probably yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so, And I keep up with those guys and

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Speaker 5: I'm you know, yeah, I knew they were going to

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Speaker 5: be on, especially that Taylor guy.

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Speaker 4: You know, you were here for seven years of your

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Speaker 4: NFL career and had double digitsuate deceptions.

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Speaker 2: I don't think people understand.

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Speaker 4: That even though you're a big guy and when you

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Speaker 4: came out you were an inside backer and you hit

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Speaker 4: like a ton of brakes.

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Speaker 2: You covered a lot of range.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you had a great athleticism for your size.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and I you know what, I try to tell

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Speaker 5: people a lot that excuse the belly right now. But

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Speaker 5: when we had that that third down back to cover,

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Speaker 5: I wasn't rushing.

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Speaker 2: I was the cover guy.

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Speaker 5: So there's a lot of maybe two interceptions I have

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Speaker 5: from man to man out of that. But normally, you know,

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Speaker 5: I was, I was back into the scheme of it all.

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Speaker 5: And then I you know, passed for us. But that

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Speaker 5: was that was Coach Parcels, that was Coach Belichick. That's

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Speaker 5: what we did as Giants. Whatever it took UH to

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Speaker 5: win ball games. We uh it might not look good

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Speaker 5: on our stats at the end of our careers, but

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Speaker 5: the guys respected. Those people on the other side definitely

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Speaker 5: respected you know, how we played the game.

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Speaker 2: So not knowing if I was gonna line up on

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Speaker 5: Cover a guy, or drop deep middle or drop in

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Speaker 5: the flats with them not knowing, I think it just, uh,

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Speaker 5: it helped us out a lot more defensively, and it

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Speaker 5: also showed the football IQ uh that we all had

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Speaker 5: that we could play several different positions. I tell you know,

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Speaker 5: it's still a mystery when you when we talk about that.

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Speaker 5: I actually played corner and safety too in our defense.

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Speaker 2: You know, it just.

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Speaker 5: On the on the sheet it was you know, you're

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Speaker 5: listed as a diner or a safety, but everybody just

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Speaker 2: But on gold line and on short yard.

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Speaker 5: It's that's how I started playing my my fresh my

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Speaker 5: rookie year. Is that that was the first key that

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Speaker 5: that coach Belichick put me out there for.

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Speaker 2: Was a run back and forth with the motion guy.

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Speaker 5: And I traded that position with Mark Collins, which he

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Speaker 5: got to play against San Francisco because they were keeping

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Speaker 5: Jerry Rice.

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Speaker 2: But everybody else I pretty much was in the coin.

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Speaker 3: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with citizens,

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Speaker 3: So go to that retreat. Knew you move to the country.

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Speaker 3: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

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Speaker 3: you ready for all that? Life breaks?

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Speaker 6: Football is coming and so is the next college semester.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I do remember the tight end type stretch

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Speaker 4: at the goal line on a Monday night football game

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Speaker 4: against the Vikings for he picked six yeah, which which Man,

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Speaker 4: I don't know how you got that ball across the line,

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Speaker 4: but you did.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know what. And it's it's funny.

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Speaker 5: I actually because I was talking and with Brandy Moss

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Speaker 5: and I told him, I said, man, I know you've

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Speaker 5: scored a lot of touchdowns, but I got a very

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Speaker 2: Man, it's only one.

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Speaker 5: And the guys here they end up sending me the

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Speaker 5: film and I got to show him and I, you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm hopping on one leg and Mark Collin at twenty five,

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Speaker 2: We we're we're we're brothers.

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Speaker 5: He helped, you know, with the cause the interception you

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Speaker 5: had to got throw high and then he's over there

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Speaker 5: on the side. If you notice some he he's elbowing me.

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Speaker 2: He thought at the ball. But now you know what

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Speaker 5: The only Mark is the only guy that actually blocked

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Speaker 5: for me on my intercessors. I got tackled by Banks,

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Speaker 5: But Mark was always that guy that he would go,

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Speaker 5: He was very good for me when I got intercessions.

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Speaker 5: I've been trying to find Mark on that. I have

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Speaker 5: one interception. I'm quite sure it's not a memorable moment,

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Speaker 5: but it's a you know, I like to talk about it.

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Speaker 5: When I got an interception with Brett Favre. Yeah, and

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Speaker 5: I'm running around and circleched it out and then he

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Speaker 5: made me fumble. Yeah, you must have caught a rap

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Speaker 5: at the court fine on that one. Well, you know what,

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Speaker 5: not not really because remember Rick Renee Thompson got an

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Speaker 5: oh yeah, that is the dumbest play by Pepper Johnson,

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Speaker 2: He didn't know I was that game.

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Speaker 5: I ran it to Carl, I ran it to I

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Speaker 1: No, not not too alright.

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Speaker 4: Two super Bowls with the Giants, okay, and I want

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Speaker 4: to go back to the doggie stop with William Roberts

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Speaker 4: on the fifty yard line of Pasadena. All the years

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Speaker 4: I've known you, I never asked you where that came from.

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Speaker 4: I knew you and he were teammates at Ohio State.

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Speaker 4: I never asked you if that was pre planned or

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Speaker 4: if that was something that just came on the spur

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was something that came to spur

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna give you another flash when I at the

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Speaker 5: stumping grind then. But it was it's totally William Roberts.

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Speaker 5: That's that's him. And it was I guess a dance

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Speaker 5: I yeah, we talked about it was like, man, we

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Speaker 5: more dancing after us. And and then the Gatorade. I

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Speaker 5: mean I still tell people Gatorade should be paying Harry Carson,

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Speaker 5: uh some type of royalties because that that the gatoragged

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Speaker 1: You love turf.

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Speaker 3: You're good at it, so you start a turf Viz

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Speaker 3: business grows, your savings grow, become the most celebrated name

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Speaker 3: in turf. Are you ready for all that life brings?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to do you favor and not mimic

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Speaker 4: the dongy stop here because it's all for me.

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Speaker 1: It's really really ugly.

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Speaker 2: I've got to tell you that you got it.

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Speaker 4: Uh, tell me something about what the giants are gonna

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Speaker 4: have to do to adjust from a blitz happy Wick

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Speaker 4: Martindale scheme from last year in the previous year to

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Speaker 4: now Shane Bowen, who wants to primarily play four guys

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Speaker 4: Brian Burns are gonna have to.

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Speaker 1: Do different things.

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Speaker 5: Yes, well, uh, those guys are the four guys that's

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Speaker 5: rushing the quarterback. They're gonna have to get there. And really,

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Speaker 5: I guess why I should have really started. The answer

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Speaker 5: that question is as long as all eleven and the

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Speaker 5: guys that's in rotation is all on the same page.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you can you can play that defense? You can?

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Speaker 2: You can you can make it work.

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Speaker 5: I mean, like you said, I mean we rarely blitz

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Speaker 5: was automatically glitzing. But yeah, if we if you're if

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Speaker 5: don't grab anybody, and and you can make it work.

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Speaker 5: But as long as everybody is on the same page, uh,

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Speaker 5: we definitely could make it work.

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Speaker 4: I got to ask you one final question, because Dexter

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Speaker 4: Not to disrespect the guys you played with because they

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Speaker 4: were dynamite players for their time, this guy's this guy's different.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, well, hey, that's that's why so many in

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Speaker 2: Me, I gotta Harry Carson.

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Speaker 5: Wood would kill me if I if I don't explain

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Speaker 5: that it's a difference between a middle linebacker and inside lineback.

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Speaker 5: Inside linebackers, those guys that we did in the three

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Speaker 5: why right? If not, then he's gonna clog up something,

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Speaker 5: can't get to the mike linebacker. You could really can't

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Speaker 5: have them a field Day is going to have him

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Speaker 5: a beautiful year. I would say if we were playing

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Speaker 5: the Day has already credited me one year for like

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Speaker 5: one hundred and eighteen hundred and nineteen tackles. I had

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Speaker 4: I'm not surprised because you were a tremendous athlete, a

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Speaker 1: Good to see you, Pepper Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time. Thank you. I'm glad to be here. Now.

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Speaker 2: Can I hug you? Sure you can't? Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 5: I'm always like, you know, every time we do an interview,

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Speaker 5: I'm like, we always hug in the background and welcome,

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Speaker 5: you know, big time greeting and all and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Just one time on camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah