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Speaker 2: We were with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought us Nick Harris
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Speaker 6: Hello, guys, welcome back to another episode of the Break,
Speaker 6: presented by algolet Evil. I member Garcia. I'm here with
Speaker 6: Nick and Brian. Derek is out this week, but we'll
Speaker 6: discuss all the moves that the Cowboys have made.
Speaker 7: We haven't had it.
Speaker 6: I don't recall last week us talking about a lot
Speaker 6: of those moves. So today we're just gonna take a
Speaker 6: deep dive and all the changes on the roster at
Speaker 6: the moment. See if these guys like it, don't like it,
Speaker 6: what is the criticism around that. So we'll start with first.
Speaker 7: Of all, the trade that the Cowboys made and helped
Speaker 7: me out.
Speaker 6: Nick kayir kyer Elam Kayer Elam Elam. Yeah, cornerback the draft,
Speaker 6: the draft they got the Cowboys got him and a
Speaker 6: six round pick for this year. This draft around and
Speaker 6: they sent a couple of draft picks to the Buffalo Bills. Brian,
Speaker 6: I'll start with you with your observation on this guy,
Speaker 6: scouting report on him, and what he brings to the team.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think when you look at with with Elam,
Speaker 8: they're gonna have to play him as a pressman corner.
Speaker 8: And when you watch him play, when you watched him
Speaker 8: come out of Florida, you know, several years ago when
Speaker 8: Nick and I were working on the draft show stuff, this,
Speaker 8: these were the types of players that you know that
Speaker 8: that you were you were studying these guys that have
Speaker 8: some length to him, that have some size to him.
Speaker 8: This is a this is a nice size corner for
Speaker 8: you that could really play press man very very well.
Speaker 8: And I think that Buffalo got away from that, and
Speaker 8: there was some questions about whether that Brandon Beam, the
Speaker 8: general manager for the Bills, made the pick. And then
Speaker 8: we're the head coach and the general manager on the
Speaker 8: same page when it came to this player. So maybe
Speaker 8: he was fighting out a little bit at Buffalo. But
Speaker 8: I feel like you need to play this guy as
Speaker 8: a pressman corner. Let him get up on you, let him,
Speaker 8: let him be able to jam be able to redirect
Speaker 8: move with those with those receivers, because I think that's
Speaker 8: something he can do very very well. When you play
Speaker 8: him off or in zone coverage, the reactions are not
Speaker 8: as good as where I think where it needs to
Speaker 8: be so physical, corner got good size. It's going to
Speaker 8: be a fresh start for him for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 8: So a couple of years ago, a guy that probably
Speaker 8: on a lot of people's strap board was probably in
Speaker 8: the top fifty when it came to players. So you know,
Speaker 8: one of those things where the Cowboys probably saw him
Speaker 8: the same way and hopefully they're playing more press man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Brian hit it on the head and mentioning that
Speaker 5: Brandon being the Bills GM. He was asked about Kaye
Speaker 5: last week in availability with the media and why it
Speaker 5: didn't work out. He said, ultimately, it's on me. I
Speaker 5: made this selection that didn't work out, and I own that.
Speaker 5: You don't want those to happen. But man, I'm rooting
Speaker 5: for Kaye, I really am.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 5: I mean it was a situation where, gosh, I'm forgetting
Speaker 5: the guy's name who took over his spot, but he
Speaker 5: was a six round pick in that same exact draft,
Speaker 5: and he just a Christian. Benford just immediately took over
Speaker 5: Kye's job almost immediately as when they were both rookies,
Speaker 5: and he just kind of carried that on throughout the
Speaker 5: early in their career. So it hasn't really worked out
Speaker 5: for Kaye in Buffalo, but coming to Dallas, there's going
Speaker 5: to be an opportunity for him to start on the
Speaker 5: outside as early as week one. If Trayvon Diggs is
Speaker 5: not available to go, they're gonna need someone on the
Speaker 5: outside opposite of Deron Bland. They're also gonna need someone
Speaker 5: in the nickel. But there's a lot of work on that.
Speaker 1: Yea, Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 5: Lot of problems that corner and just having depth right
Speaker 5: now certainly helps. And look, I saw some people on
Speaker 5: social media kind of overreacting to like, why would you
Speaker 5: draft this bust?
Speaker 1: He's a first round bust and you gave up nothing
Speaker 1: at the end of the day.
Speaker 5: I mean, you got a guy who's going to be
Speaker 5: on one year rental for you, and if he plays well,
Speaker 5: you can sign him to a second contract. It's not
Speaker 5: like you're going to activate that fifth year option and
Speaker 5: pay him what is it, seventeen million next year?
Speaker 1: You're fine.
Speaker 5: It's a cheap guy that you can add depth, and
Speaker 5: it's a guy who's gonna get a second chance.
Speaker 1: Second chances sometimes work out too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and sometimes, like you say, Brandy Bean even came
Speaker 8: out and said it, it's on him. The general manager
Speaker 8: saw something in the player and Brandon Bean and we
Speaker 8: all agree the Buffalo Bills are a pretty damn good team,
Speaker 8: you know. And sometimes as a general manager, you give
Speaker 8: a gut feeling about a player and you know it's
Speaker 8: a first round. Yeah, that's an expensive way of doing things,
Speaker 8: but you know, yeah, the fact that to me that
Speaker 8: this player you watched him at Florida and you watched
Speaker 8: him and you watch him.
Speaker 4: Play at Buffalo. There's some traits and things things that happen,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 8: I know that they were at a game against Kansas
Speaker 8: City that was really really rough, but you know, this
Speaker 8: guy coming in and playing. Though I could say Nick's right,
Speaker 8: you know, sometimes people make mistakes. Maybe this guy comes
Speaker 8: to a fresh start, a new opportunity, a coaching staff
Speaker 8: that kind of believes in him a little bit, and
Speaker 8: then you never know what you get out of that.
Speaker 8: But this guy's a physical player. You could go back
Speaker 8: and watch him in college cover those really good Alabama
Speaker 8: receivers and carry those guys all over the field and
Speaker 8: make plays and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So it's a scout I was always taught.
Speaker 8: Man. You see that I think will translate. Hopefully that'll
Speaker 8: be an opportunity for him.
Speaker 6: Here now, as we go along the list of guys,
Speaker 6: we're gonna play a little game and I'm gonna put
Speaker 6: you guys on the spot.
Speaker 7: I just want you to give me your rating.
Speaker 6: You know, when you go to the doctor's office and
Speaker 6: they have a chart with a smiley face a sad face.
Speaker 1: I hate this. So I'm in paint ambar.
Speaker 6: You've got three choices here, Okay, happy face, smiley face,
Speaker 6: a neutral face, just a straight up line, horizontal line.
Speaker 7: Or a sad face.
Speaker 6: So for this one, this uh considering, taking into consideration
Speaker 6: what you gave up for this guy and everything that
Speaker 6: it involves.
Speaker 7: Where would you rate this move for the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: Neutral?
Speaker 7: Neutral?
Speaker 8: I think neutral right now, you know, but hopefully they
Speaker 8: play him the right way and then it turns into
Speaker 8: a happy face.
Speaker 4: But I'm going to go neutral on it as well.
Speaker 7: Okay, perfect.
Speaker 6: So the next trade that the Cowboys made not too
Speaker 6: long after that first one was they traded for Kenneth Murray.
Speaker 6: He's a linebacker, and this trade happened with the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 6: They also got a pick from the Titans as well.
Speaker 6: What do you take into this? Do you like this guy?
Speaker 9: Nick?
Speaker 6: I know there's a we know the need at linebacker
Speaker 6: currently for the Cowboys, knowing with overshown and all and
Speaker 6: his injury, how do you rate this pick?
Speaker 5: Yeah? This is uh, this is certainly an interesting one.
Speaker 5: And when it came down I guess that was last Wednesday,
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, wow, this is this is an
Speaker 5: interesting move. I I kind of adding on to what
Speaker 5: I was saying earlier about social media being an upheaval
Speaker 5: about these trades. It is like, essentially, you took one
Speaker 5: of your fifth round picks and moved it to the
Speaker 5: seventh round, and you added two players that can start
Speaker 5: for you this year. I don't think that's a bad
Speaker 5: move at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: And there was.
Speaker 5: Some Day three, twenty twenty six cheese involved, but it
Speaker 5: wasn't anything major. And when you add a guy like
Speaker 5: Kenneth Murray, who has the experience that he has, he
Speaker 5: comes off being a team captain in Tennessee last year.
Speaker 5: He can control your defense if he needs to. It's
Speaker 5: a smart player to have involved. This is This is
Speaker 5: not a bad move in my eyes. Now, granted, is
Speaker 5: he the best linebacker you could have traded for. No,
Speaker 5: that's why he only cost a fifth or sixth round pick,
Speaker 5: whatever it was. I think there's some instincts in the
Speaker 5: run game that he might have to he might have
Speaker 5: to be addressed with with Matt Eberflus. But you know,
Speaker 5: Ebraflus has done a really good job in developing linebackers
Speaker 5: throughout his time. Now, Murray's been in the league for
Speaker 5: four or five years. Now, you know how much development
Speaker 5: quote unquote does he have left? Can he teach an
Speaker 5: old dog new tricks? The guy is twenty six years
Speaker 5: I think there is still still some development left in
Speaker 5: his game. But he's a hard hitter, he's a thumper.
Speaker 5: I like this move. I don't think he's a long
Speaker 5: term starter here in Dallas, but I think he's a
Speaker 5: guy that can give you more than enough flexibility for
Speaker 5: Demarvey and Overshowing to come off of his injury, more
Speaker 5: than enough flexibility. If Jack Sanborn might not be ready
Speaker 5: to command a defense early on this is a guy
Speaker 5: you want to have involved. I mean, experience really pays
Speaker 5: off in this league, and he's got it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I totally agree with what Nick saying here. And you know,
Speaker 8: to me, there's this group when they went into the
Speaker 8: free agency process, we were talking about linebackers, were thinking about, Hey,
Speaker 8: positions that maybe I know in the draft show positions
Speaker 8: you might double dip. My linebacker surely was one of
Speaker 8: those those areas that we were focusing on. But to
Speaker 8: go out and get a guy like Murray, and you know,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say this, the physicality that he plays with
Speaker 8: I think is impressive, The toughness that he plays with.
Speaker 8: You know, yeah, is he perfect in coverage? No, not
Speaker 8: all the time. But when you start to talk about
Speaker 8: playing run defense, and and and filling in the in
Speaker 8: the hole, and and and getting to the outside and
Speaker 8: playing with a little little range, a little link to it,
Speaker 8: I think that you could have done far worse here.
Speaker 8: So I'm with Nick on this one. I Uh, is
Speaker 8: he is he a starter? Could he be a starter?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: He can absolutely be start. He's proven places where he's been.
Speaker 8: He was a starter at the Chargers, he was a
Speaker 8: starter at Tennessee, you know, we've seen what they did, uh,
Speaker 8: you know last year, you know with with Eric Kendricks,
Speaker 8: and you know, hopefully you get the same kind of
Speaker 8: results that you get a guy that that comes in
Speaker 8: in this physical and makes plays and and you know,
Speaker 8: and and brings an element of toughness to your game.
Speaker 6: And with that, they added another linebacker and make mentioned
Speaker 6: him Jack Sandborg. This was a one year deal from
Speaker 6: the Bears. That's where he played. What are some of
Speaker 6: the differences that you see there and the type of
Speaker 6: player between the Well.
Speaker 8: And the Bears are the Bears have got a good
Speaker 8: group of linebackers. I felt like you know that they
Speaker 8: they were they were Sandborn. What's surprising to me is
Speaker 8: he was less than a million dollar player and they
Speaker 8: let him walk. They didn't tender him. So you know,
Speaker 8: he was able to kind of you know, Dallas jumped
Speaker 8: in there really really quick on it and was able
Speaker 8: to get that done. You know, probably with a little
Speaker 8: bit of influence from Matt Eberflus. But you watch this
Speaker 8: guy play. Here's a guy that has a.
Speaker 4: Real nose for the football.
Speaker 8: I mean, he's the tackles are there that it's rare
Speaker 8: that you see linebackers that undercut blocks, and I mean
Speaker 8: go dip underneath the block and then get back into
Speaker 8: the play like Samborne is able to do. He played
Speaker 8: as an outside linebacker, he could play an inside linebacker.
Speaker 8: I think there's that element to him. I probably play
Speaker 8: him on the inside more myself. But man, I'll tell
Speaker 8: you what though. He is a guy that he's got
Speaker 8: a nose for the ball, he has a feeling for
Speaker 8: how to play blocks, He's got linked he could get
Speaker 8: off blocks. To me, you could have say it again,
Speaker 8: you could have done far worse with you know, going on.
Speaker 8: I think the Pro department here might have found a guy.
Speaker 8: I'm if you play the happy face game and all that,
Speaker 8: I would be happy. I would be smiling face on
Speaker 8: this one. I think they did a pretty good job
Speaker 8: of finding a guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, before we move on to u Nick speaking of
Speaker 6: how really messed up the game. But for Murray, what's
Speaker 6: your rating?
Speaker 8: I tell you what, I think, I'm a happy face
Speaker 8: happy face because they think of the physicality that he
Speaker 8: plays with the toughness that he plays with. Both these
Speaker 8: players or guys are happy face for me because you
Speaker 8: know they were in on the Drake greenlawal nic will
Speaker 8: tell you this. They were in on that green Law
Speaker 8: made a decision to go elsewhere. They were trying their
Speaker 8: best to make that and that would have been a
Speaker 8: great signing right there, but they kind of pivoted rallied
Speaker 8: and I think they did okay. And at these two
Speaker 8: that they've done.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give neutral for both.
Speaker 5: We'll see how they fare on the field, but I
Speaker 5: think both of these editions are had the potential to
Speaker 5: be really strong for that linebacking corps. They need that
Speaker 5: depth and they bring experience along with it.
Speaker 6: And do you have a different perspective on Sanborn or what.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for scond Born, I think it's it's certainly going
Speaker 5: to help kind of transition this defense into the Eberflus era.
Speaker 5: I mean you think back last year, I mean the
Speaker 5: Cowboys only the two outside signings, and one of them
Speaker 5: was Eric Kendricks. Mike Zimmer wanted to go get his guys.
Speaker 5: He had this on field bridge, if you will, to
Speaker 5: help usher in this new system during training camp and
Speaker 5: then throughout the season, have a guy that he can
Speaker 5: trust to be the lead communicator. Now, Jack Sanborn doesn't
Speaker 5: have the experience that Eric Hendricks had coming into Dallas, obviously,
Speaker 5: but he's going to kind of serve that same purpose
Speaker 5: in the sense that he already knows the system. He's
Speaker 5: a great communicator, He's been a leader of a defense
Speaker 5: before in an eber flu system. He's going to be
Speaker 5: the guy that a lot of people come to with questions.
Speaker 5: And that was one of the questions I had for
Speaker 5: him yesterday when he did a conference call with the media.
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, you know, a lot of guys
Speaker 5: are going to come to you because you are the
Speaker 5: one who knows it. You are the one who's been
Speaker 5: inside of it for three years. And so he said,
Speaker 5: it's about flying around, having an aggressive mindset and getting downhill.
Speaker 5: But everybody has a job. He's really big into that
Speaker 5: making sure that not only you know your job, you
Speaker 5: know why you're doing your job, and by doing your job.
Speaker 1: What that leads to for other people.
Speaker 5: And he said, I'm willing to do anything to help
Speaker 5: everyone else learn. At the end of the day, we're
Speaker 5: in this together as one. There's going to be competition
Speaker 5: in that linebacker room. But just talking to Jack Sanbourne yesterday,
Speaker 5: I get the sense that he's going to be helping
Speaker 5: everyone out in that linebacker room.
Speaker 6: Well, it's like titing to see some of these changes
Speaker 6: and what is actually going to look like once they
Speaker 6: start training together and we go to training camp and
Speaker 6: start seeing them, uh transform this defense into something different. Now,
Speaker 6: staying on the defensive side of the ball, they also
Speaker 6: signed Solomon Thomas, a defensive tackle who is coming from
Speaker 6: the New York Jets. He played over there. What are
Speaker 6: your scouting report on this player?
Speaker 1: Versatile?
Speaker 5: He's going to play in some different roles for you,
Speaker 5: And yeah, we're just gonna come right back to the conversation.
Speaker 1: That's the conversation. He is versatile.
Speaker 5: He's a guy that probably factors in more so as
Speaker 5: the backup three tech for Osa Digizua on rotational downs,
Speaker 5: but I think he's also a guy that could play
Speaker 5: some one tech on some passing downs because because he
Speaker 5: can get into the backfield, he has experience with defensive
Speaker 5: line coach Aaron Whitecott and going back to their time
Speaker 5: with the Jets, and he can get to the quarterback
Speaker 5: if asked to do so. He's a Kapel guy. So
Speaker 5: back in DFW, I I always love when that happens.
Speaker 5: And really good dude, he's he's really active in the community.
Speaker 5: If you look up a year from now and he's
Speaker 5: this team's Walter Payton nominee, then I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he.
Speaker 8: Talked about when coach Whitecotton got the job that that
Speaker 8: might be a possibility.
Speaker 4: Because he did. He played very well.
Speaker 8: You know, we'll see what about the run defense stuff
Speaker 8: and how that goes for him. I'm not totally I'm
Speaker 8: not discouraging that at all. He got a lot out
Speaker 8: of coach white Kott got a lot out of him
Speaker 8: as a pass rusher. And I think Nick's absolutely right.
Speaker 8: You play him at the three technique and let him
Speaker 8: be the backup guy, let him play the one sum
Speaker 8: in the nickel with him and os inside man, you
Speaker 8: get two pretty active guys right there. Last year, it
Speaker 8: just didn't seem like that in the defensive tackle spot
Speaker 8: that they had guys inside that were able to rotate
Speaker 8: at that three. Give you some pass rush. This this
Speaker 8: to me that I believe like this is an upgrade.
Speaker 8: You got a guy that can rush the passers I've
Speaker 8: mentioned you got to back up for Osa, and you've
Speaker 8: got a guy that has some experience, and the and
Speaker 8: the and you got a coach here now that got
Speaker 8: the absolute best at him. I think this is a
Speaker 8: really good combination for them.
Speaker 6: I love everything you guys are saying so rated with
Speaker 6: a little smiley face. Negas is your first smiley face.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say neutral, You're gonna You're gonna hate me
Speaker 1: in this game.
Speaker 5: So you're going neutral with because a smiley face for
Speaker 5: me would be going and getting Cooper cup last.
Speaker 1: You know what, I've been going and getting Stu fun.
Speaker 6: But as soon as I asked you about this guy, yeah,
Speaker 6: you answered started answering with a smile on your face.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, I'm a happy guy. I just be smiling.
Speaker 6: You reacted differently than the other Yeah, I just I
Speaker 6: just be smiling.
Speaker 8: I'm I will smile because the reasons I talked about,
Speaker 8: because of the the three technique stuff, they just felt
Speaker 8: like they didn't have somebody that could play behind Osa,
Speaker 8: that you could really really rely on. So I give
Speaker 8: them props. Trust me, I'm about to have a couple
Speaker 8: of brownie faces.
Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 7: All right, let's try to move alone.
Speaker 6: So, because we still have a lot of guys to
Speaker 6: cover here, the next one in the timeline of events
Speaker 6: is Real mccuamum. He's another guy the hasband with the Cowboys. Obviously,
Speaker 6: you guys are very familiar with him. Safety the Cowboys
Speaker 6: end up giving him a new deal and he stays
Speaker 6: here in Dallas. Thoughts on this move?
Speaker 5: Can I propose a question to you, Brian, go ahead?
Speaker 5: Israel mcuamu Kayir Elam? One of them gets the start
Speaker 5: on in week one? You can only pick one of
Speaker 5: I know there's two up in spots, but there's only
Speaker 5: one of them.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's for.
Speaker 5: Outside corner obviously, Yeah, who do you think is it?
Speaker 8: I think they would probably start Izzy there. Me personally,
Speaker 8: I think I would start Elm. I just think that
Speaker 8: I think that.
Speaker 4: To me that Elam.
Speaker 8: I think I think in training camp, we're gonna really
Speaker 8: like the physicality that he plays with. And we'll see.
Speaker 8: But I would say that they would is he is
Speaker 8: he is, He's a good player for them. I mean,
Speaker 8: he's done a good job you remember, I mean the
Speaker 8: nickel that he the nickel job he did against Tampa
Speaker 8: in a playoff game. You know that can't go unnoticed.
Speaker 8: Right now, I think he's one of those guys that
Speaker 8: are kind of trying to find a spot for him.
Speaker 8: But I would, I would say they would probably start him.
Speaker 8: But I think elm is going to that's a terrible
Speaker 8: answer because I'm riding the fence on that, But I would.
Speaker 8: I would think they would start Izzy in that opening game.
Speaker 5: Kim mcwalmo would be, you're starting Nickel throughout the season?
Speaker 5: Seventeen games?
Speaker 6: Is?
Speaker 5: I think there's some fans who want it to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think it's realistic.
Speaker 8: Why am I thinking about guys that at Kansas State
Speaker 8: and a guy at Louisville and a guy at you
Speaker 8: know other places. I'm thinking about North Carolina, Hussey I'm
Speaker 8: thinking about I'm thinking about Nichols that they could draft
Speaker 8: that I know could play Nickel off the jump. And
Speaker 8: now I talked about is he. I mean, you can't
Speaker 8: discount what he did in that game. You can't.
Speaker 4: I don't know if for seventeen games I could go there?
Speaker 7: Yeah, what are you? What's your answer to your own question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, because I don't think he can go
Speaker 5: seventeen games throughout the season.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, what's the rating Neutrals eighth neutral?
Speaker 8: Okay, always, Yeah, I think I'm neutral on this one because,
Speaker 8: like I said, my running back at my cornerboard's pretty deep.
Speaker 8: I'd like to see them address this position with maybe
Speaker 8: a couple of those guys.
Speaker 6: All right, well, Brian, you got the timeline right, because
Speaker 6: the next guy is a running back over here. The
Speaker 6: Cowboys got Miles Sanders, who's formerly has played in the.
Speaker 7: Past for the Eagles.
Speaker 6: I think that's where most people kind of recognize him
Speaker 6: from during his timeline there. And again we've heard about
Speaker 6: the changes at the running back room and what they're
Speaker 6: trying to do here and build this year. What are
Speaker 6: your thoughts on a player like this Miles Sanders.
Speaker 5: I'm going to I'm going to pair him with Javonte
Speaker 5: Williams in this conversation just because I get idea. They
Speaker 5: I think they kind of run, no pun intendent. I
Speaker 5: think they run a lot in the sense, both of
Speaker 5: these guys being veterans in the room that you bring in,
Speaker 5: you're expected to use, expected to use a premium pick
Speaker 5: at the running back position. Premium pick, meaning first couple
Speaker 5: of days in the draft, you're expected to draft a
Speaker 5: running back. This is a really deep running back class,
Speaker 5: and if you grab a guy in the third round,
Speaker 5: you're probably gonna get a pretty talented guy. He's going
Speaker 5: to be a young guy coming into this room with
Speaker 5: Javonte Williams, who's a really good pass catcher and a
Speaker 5: really good pass protector, and then Miles Sanders, who has
Speaker 5: experience and can also get out of the backfield as well.
Speaker 5: So that's going to be immediate competition in that room
Speaker 5: once they get to training camp. We talked to Javonte
Speaker 5: Williams yesterday, the media did, and the expectation that has
Speaker 5: been set for him by the coaches is be ready
Speaker 5: to compete because there's going to be an open starting job,
Speaker 5: ready ready to go in training camp. So it's not
Speaker 5: going to be hey, we draft r J. Harvey, Hey,
Speaker 5: this team drafts DJ Giddens or whatever in the third round,
Speaker 5: that guy is going to be the starter. It's going
Speaker 5: to be, hey, that rookie is going to compete with
Speaker 5: Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders for this starting position. If
Speaker 5: you're asking me about Miles Sanders specifically, I think he's
Speaker 5: comfortably third in that position, and we don't even have
Speaker 5: a rookie to place in the mix right now. Just
Speaker 5: because his time in Carolina was not good.
Speaker 1: You look at the.
Speaker 5: Yards per carry, rush yards expected over average, I mean,
Speaker 5: it was not It was not a good time in
Speaker 5: Carolina for him. He got passed up by Chewba Hubbard.
Speaker 5: As soon as Jonathan Brooks came off of his knee injury,
Speaker 5: he was immediately a replace for Miles Sanders. So I
Speaker 5: think I think Miles Sanders is going to be working
Speaker 5: behind the eight ball a little bit, but having that
Speaker 5: veteran experience in the running back room will certainly help well.
Speaker 6: Since and we can't talk about what's going to happen
Speaker 6: in the future, we don't know who there might draft
Speaker 6: at the running back position. But looking at what they
Speaker 6: currently have at the moment versus what they used to have,
Speaker 6: what are some of the similarities or differences in the
Speaker 6: running style that the Cowboys previously had versus what these
Speaker 6: two guys bring to the table.
Speaker 8: They got worse. They actually got worse. You know, if
Speaker 8: you look at overall, and here's this is where this was.
Speaker 8: This is the concerning thing to me is that they
Speaker 8: went out and hired to code. The best thing they've
Speaker 8: done for the running game so far is hire two coaches.
Speaker 8: They haven't helped the running game at all, to be
Speaker 8: honest with you, you know, And like I said, I
Speaker 8: think Williams can catch the ball well. I think he
Speaker 8: blocks very well. I think Miles Sanders is done, I
Speaker 8: really really do. And you know, Ducevon we've seen Duce
Speaker 8: Fond can't play special teams and that hurts his availability
Speaker 8: on game day. And then Malik Davis is a guy
Speaker 8: that's kind of just been here and had chances and
Speaker 8: really hasn't capitalized on the chances. That room's a mess.
Speaker 8: And you know, to me, I would have, honestly, I
Speaker 8: would have I would have double dipped that position. I
Speaker 8: think the draft is deepen up where you could have
Speaker 8: got a guy, say hi enough, I'm not saying you
Speaker 8: have to get a guy in the first round, but
Speaker 8: if you got a guy in the second round and
Speaker 8: a guy in a fifth round, I think Nick would
Speaker 8: agree with me. This running back room, or this running
Speaker 8: back draft stretch is pretty deep, you know, to me.
Speaker 8: So you know, you talk about wanting to run the ball.
Speaker 8: You show, but you make a commitment by the which
Speaker 8: is that you hired. You didn't help yourself particularly well
Speaker 8: with these two backs that you just signed. I think
Speaker 8: that's still a big, big, red blinking light for this
Speaker 8: football team.
Speaker 1: The two things I want to bring up.
Speaker 5: One, whenever they did sign Miles Sanders, you mentioned duce
Speaker 5: Vaughan Brian. Yeah, that's that's a guy who this training
Speaker 5: camp is probably the last opportunity for Ducefan. They're gonna
Speaker 5: give him that training camp shot one hundred percent, but
Speaker 5: he's going to have to prove that he's worthy of
Speaker 5: a starting spot. And he's battled injury in each of
Speaker 5: his first two camps. So maybe, you know, just staying
Speaker 5: healthy might be the biggest thing for Ducewan, you know,
Speaker 5: being able to show that he has something in the
Speaker 5: receiving game. Who knows, maybe this Schottenheimer offense helps him
Speaker 5: out a little bit more. But having two veterans in
Speaker 5: the room expected to have a rookie in the room,
Speaker 5: it's it's kind of spelling that that duce Vaughn's leash
Speaker 5: is running up. The other thing I want to bring
Speaker 5: up is them signing two veteran running backs. I'm afraid, Brian,
Speaker 5: that we're going to be sitting in this room on
Speaker 5: Day three of the draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there is.
Speaker 5: Still not a running back on this team, which again
Speaker 5: we've talked about. This running back class is deep. You
Speaker 5: can get a guy in the fifth round who could compete, sure,
Speaker 5: but I don't I don't know if you want to
Speaker 5: bank on No.
Speaker 8: No, I mean, and I think you're right, but but please, don't,
Speaker 8: you know, don't you know, pee on me and tell
Speaker 8: me it's raining outside, you know, don't don't don't tell
Speaker 8: me that. Don't tell me you're committed to running the
Speaker 8: football and all that and not address that thing in
Speaker 8: the first three rounds, you know, don't don't do that.
Speaker 1: Neither of these guys are early down.
Speaker 4: No, not at all.
Speaker 5: Either of these guys are the guy fifteen minutes, first quarter,
Speaker 5: just play the game.
Speaker 1: Hand it off to him. He's going to get you
Speaker 1: eight years. Neither of these guys.
Speaker 4: Are you go you know you you you swapped out.
Speaker 8: And maybe maybe the Rico daddle, maybe he overplayed his hand,
Speaker 8: maybe he overplayed I don't, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 8: know what happened with Rico Daddle maybe, you know, I
Speaker 8: don't know if it's the Cowboys thought he was going
Speaker 8: to get more money or Rico Daddle thought he was
Speaker 8: going to get more money. But to me that when
Speaker 8: that that that that was a mistake. I think on
Speaker 8: both sides right there, you know, until somebody tells me different.
Speaker 8: But like I said, don't tell me you're going to
Speaker 8: be committed to running game and try and be better
Speaker 8: at it and load up with what your go with
Speaker 8: what you got right now, that is not going to
Speaker 8: get it done.
Speaker 1: Funny enough, I was.
Speaker 5: I flew up to the Northeast this past weekend and
Speaker 5: I had a layover in Charlotte. So my first flight
Speaker 5: was DFW to Charlotte, and first class on my flight
Speaker 5: is ric O'dowdell and I caught him coming off the
Speaker 5: plane and he just looked super excited to be back home.
Speaker 5: He sounded super excited to be back home, So I
Speaker 5: wonder how much that factored into it. At the end
Speaker 5: of the day, he didn't have a ton of time,
Speaker 5: but we caught it for maybe twenty seconds, and being
Speaker 5: back in Charlotte it is a big deal for him.
Speaker 5: He's like, Yeah, I'm from Ashville. I grew up, you know,
Speaker 5: thirty minutes away. It's it's really good to be back.
Speaker 5: So I you know, you factor that in, and you
Speaker 5: factor that that room is already pretty crowded in Carolina.
Speaker 5: I think the hometown thing was bigger for Rico Dawdle
Speaker 5: than maybe what was realized. But coming back to this team,
Speaker 5: Javonte Williams, I think could be a great running back
Speaker 5: too that you almost get me to smile on Givanta
Speaker 5: will you might almost. Yeah, I think it'd be a
Speaker 5: phenomenal complimentary especially at this stage in his career. He's
Speaker 5: still only twenty four years old. He's got experience, He's
Speaker 5: shown that he's come back off that ACL injury that
Speaker 5: he suffered in his second season. He's a guy that
Speaker 5: could pass protect. He can get out of the backfield
Speaker 5: and help you in the passing game.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, but you can't. He's not an RB one, he's
Speaker 1: an I.
Speaker 6: Agree, Okay, So I clearly, based on everything you said, Brian,
Speaker 6: we get like a frown face, mad face of a
Speaker 6: here even.
Speaker 4: Round face there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, and they're gonna have an opportunity and
Speaker 8: if and it's going to be even more of a
Speaker 8: frown face if Nick's right about that, they wait three
Speaker 8: time though. Even though I think there's some running backs there,
Speaker 8: I do. I think there's some fourth fifth running backs
Speaker 8: there that I mean, I think I've studied twenty five
Speaker 8: of them, and I'm they're all very capable players.
Speaker 6: Well, hopefully we are. The running back story changes this year.
Speaker 6: We'll see what happens after the draft and we'll discuss
Speaker 6: once again this running back room and the guys that
Speaker 6: hopefully somebody one or two at least draft it. We'll see,
Speaker 6: we'll see what happens there. But let's take our for
Speaker 6: our final break. When we come back, we'll continue going
Speaker 6: down the list of guys signs so far.
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Speaker 7: All right, let's move on, don't Fowler.
Speaker 6: He's a defensive end. You guys should be familiar with him.
Speaker 6: He's been here before and now he comes back once
Speaker 6: again to be here and join this defense. Where is
Speaker 6: he at right now in his career? And are you
Speaker 6: guys happy with this decision to bring him back?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: And Bart, you're gonna get me a smile with this one.
Speaker 5: For a couple of For a couple of reasons. One
Speaker 5: the sense that they they went out and were aggressive
Speaker 5: in getting another pass rusher opposite of Miles Miles Micah Parsons,
Speaker 5: my goodness, once they realized that DeMarcus Larns was not
Speaker 5: going to be back in the fold, so going and
Speaker 5: getting a running mate for Micah on those passing downs,
Speaker 5: and especially a violent athletic guy like Dante Fowler coming
Speaker 5: off the season that he had in Washington. It's kind
Speaker 5: of a career resurgence for him that he had in
Speaker 5: DC ten and a half sacks. I thought he was
Speaker 5: snubbed for the Pro Bowl. I thought he was a
Speaker 5: guy that would have been a shoe in a couple
Speaker 5: of force fumbles, fourteen tackles for loss, and this guy
Speaker 5: he did a lot for the Commander's defense last year
Speaker 5: and mostly rotational work, and so I think he's going
Speaker 5: to have a starting opportunity here. You get me to
Speaker 5: smile because of that. Secondly, you get me to smile
Speaker 5: because they signed a contract more than six million dollars.
Speaker 5: Granted it's six million dollar base, but it's worth up
Speaker 5: to eight million dollars. This is the richest annual free
Speaker 5: agent deal that they've signed in ten years. So Greg Hardy, Yes,
Speaker 5: since Greg Hardy. So hopefully it pans out a little
Speaker 5: bit better than that one. And Dante Fowler can bring
Speaker 5: some pass rush to this team.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 7: I like this one too, And I'm even me smiling.
Speaker 1: Yeah see, you know this.
Speaker 4: Is smile this guy.
Speaker 8: If you go back and watch him play for the Commanders,
Speaker 8: you know, he did a really fine job. I know
Speaker 8: people have some questions about his ability to defend the run.
Speaker 8: I thought he got better at that. There were some
Speaker 8: times where you know, you watched him and blockers tried
Speaker 8: to get up on him and he was able to
Speaker 8: like to shed those guys to chase the ball. I
Speaker 8: was I was happy to see that for him. He's
Speaker 8: he's he's like I said, I think that here later
Speaker 8: in his career, things are kind of going in the
Speaker 8: right direction for him. And the pass rush of the sacks,
Speaker 8: the ability to play in the twist game. You know,
Speaker 8: you need somebody opposite Micah And I'll tell you what,
Speaker 8: you got a guy that can. They can they can
Speaker 8: create pressure and he can also get sacked. So, you know,
Speaker 8: good for the team for forgetting that done. That that
Speaker 8: that was a good get for them.
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 6: Next guy up is another guy that's coming up from
Speaker 6: the feely Philadelphia Egel's coming up with a super Bowl.
Speaker 6: But still this is the guy that a lot of
Speaker 6: people have criticized as far as the fans like on
Speaker 6: social media, because he doesn't have a ton of really
Speaker 6: good experience on the record. He he's Perris Campbell wide
Speaker 6: receiver thoughts on what he what him coming to the
Speaker 6: team actually means for the wide receiver room.
Speaker 5: Yeah, originally from Akron, Ohio, went to Saint Vincent, Saint Mary,
Speaker 5: went to House State. They they got Lebron James guys.
Speaker 5: But no, I think it's just uh, it's it's veteran
Speaker 5: experience to add to the room.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 5: I think this is more so competition for guys like
Speaker 5: Ryan Flinoyd, j Brooks, and they want they want a
Speaker 5: veteran that can kind of be in that mix. Think
Speaker 5: of this as like a wide receiver three slash four
Speaker 5: competition and Campbell's kind of in that mix. This does
Speaker 5: not stop this team from getting a running back as
Speaker 5: early as pick twelve receiver draft excuse me, receiver receiver
Speaker 5: my bad, Yeah, receiver as early as pick twelve in
Speaker 5: this draft.
Speaker 8: Yeah, practice is, as we all know, or long, and
Speaker 8: there's a lot of running involved and you need a
Speaker 8: lot of wide receivers to get through practice. And this
Speaker 8: is one of those opportunities a veteran guy. You'll play
Speaker 8: some preseason games, You'll have a veteran player out there.
Speaker 8: You might have to be in a situation too where
Speaker 8: you're trying to evaluate maybe you do draft a young
Speaker 8: quarterback and he's going to have to play in those
Speaker 8: preseason games. You want a veteran guy out there that
Speaker 8: knows what he's doing. And so this is exactly what
Speaker 8: this is.
Speaker 6: It.
Speaker 4: Nick's right.
Speaker 8: It doesn't keep you from doing anything else in your
Speaker 8: draft plans for wide receivers.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm gonna wait rating real fast neutral sad.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I thought even if you were trying to add
Speaker 5: veteran experience to like the depth of that room, I
Speaker 5: could have done better.
Speaker 1: But we'll see.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Agree, We're gonna run through these guys a little quicker
Speaker 6: because we still hopefully we can finish before the end
Speaker 6: of the show. We got another defensive end, Peyton Turner.
Speaker 7: He signed. Okay, why I.
Speaker 8: Tell you what I think that with Peyton Turner is
Speaker 8: that to me, I like Peyton Turner because I like
Speaker 8: the length that he plays with, I like the range
Speaker 8: he plays with. I think he plays the run very
Speaker 8: very well. And I think there's a guy that you know,
Speaker 8: he's kind of like what we call that five technique,
Speaker 8: that head up end that could kind of two gap
Speaker 8: look inside, look outside.
Speaker 4: But I like the way that this guy plays.
Speaker 8: The run, and I think when they run the ball
Speaker 8: at him, he's very capable of getting off blocks and
Speaker 8: making plays. He's not a pass rusher. He is not
Speaker 8: a pass rusher at all. There's probably one or two
Speaker 8: snaps where you could see him rush the passer and
Speaker 8: you're like, Okay, I get it, but he is not.
Speaker 8: He's a much better run player. But I do like
Speaker 8: the fact that they got a guy that could play
Speaker 8: on the edge. That kind of takes over the role
Speaker 8: of what Golston did for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 5: You just hope he can stay healthy, and that's been
Speaker 5: the big thing in his career. In his first three
Speaker 5: seasons he only played fifteen games, missed a lot of time,
Speaker 5: but last year he played sixteen games for the Saints
Speaker 5: and mostly rotational work. Former first round pick coming out
Speaker 5: of Houston was a really good run defender for the
Speaker 5: Cougars in his college time. Now back in the lone
Speaker 5: Star State. So I'll tell you what, there is a
Speaker 5: lot of optimism about Peyton Turner talking to people in
Speaker 5: this building.
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that manifests. How are you feeling neutral.
Speaker 8: Thank you, I'll go smiley because I think he brings
Speaker 8: something to play a run defense.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, okay, next one up, we have Robert Jones.
Speaker 6: He's an offensive lineman that is coming from the Dolphins.
Speaker 6: He signs here and this is a topic that we've
Speaker 6: talked about. While we know that the old line still
Speaker 6: needs work there, what does it bring to the table
Speaker 6: and how.
Speaker 7: Is he right now in his career.
Speaker 5: We talked to him yesterday and it kind of gave
Speaker 5: me a little bit of a different perspective of what
Speaker 5: I had going into that call, if you will. He
Speaker 5: started seventeen games for the Dolphins last year and it
Speaker 5: was a super valuable experience for him. Didn't do particularly well.
Speaker 5: He grated out as one of the worst guards in
Speaker 5: the NFL. Actually that played throughout the season. But prior
Speaker 5: to that year, thirteen games of starting experience mostly at
Speaker 5: left guard and or excuse me, mostly at right guard.
Speaker 5: Flips to left guard for the Dolphins last year. He
Speaker 5: said his most natural position on that call yesterday, he
Speaker 5: said his most natural position is right guard. So you
Speaker 5: know he's going to be competing for that right guard
Speaker 5: spot with brock Hoffman, TJ.
Speaker 4: Bass.
Speaker 5: You would expect a draft pick to be in the
Speaker 5: middle of all that do they factor Cooper b b
Speaker 5: into that competition too, But I think I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go new until I see what he looks like
Speaker 5: at right guard at training camp.
Speaker 8: Neutral all the way here, and it might be a
Speaker 8: sad face because he might not be better than what
Speaker 8: Hoppin and.
Speaker 4: Others TJ. Bass, So I'm going to keep it neutral
Speaker 4: on that well.
Speaker 6: And then they also gave another deal for the Koda.
Speaker 6: Shepley and a lot of guys on social media. I
Speaker 6: guess they didn't realize he was like, he's been here
Speaker 6: in Dallas, so they decided to keep him here in Dallas.
Speaker 6: He's a guy that hasn't done a whole lot. But
Speaker 6: I mean, is he just adding depth here at the position?
Speaker 8: I think it's a guy's familiarity. I can't sit there
Speaker 8: and act like that. I know the code of Shepley's
Speaker 8: game is what it's really really all about. But you
Speaker 8: know the fact that he has been here I believe
Speaker 8: a couple of years now, so you know, it's one
Speaker 8: of those things where you got to find a way
Speaker 8: to show up. And they obviously feel good enough about
Speaker 8: him that he's made some progress. We'll see with a
Speaker 8: new line coach. How that works for him?
Speaker 5: Yeah, special teams guy. Mostly in his last two years,
Speaker 5: he's been activated for seven games. I don't think this
Speaker 5: factors into the offensive line, not at all.
Speaker 6: Neutral face neutral, Yeah, neutral, Okay, next one up? Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: I think that's it, right? Am I missing anybody else?
Speaker 5: Let's see. Yeah, we've gone through. We've gone through all
Speaker 5: of them.
Speaker 7: We've gone through everybody.
Speaker 6: Okay, so up to this point and what the Cowboys
Speaker 6: have done. So now you're gonna give me your kind
Speaker 6: of overall overview based on all your faces, your your.
Speaker 7: Snake is just neutral.
Speaker 6: But what is your overall rating of what the Cowboys
Speaker 6: have currently done in this free agency this year? Personally,
Speaker 6: I think it's been pretty differently different than past previous
Speaker 6: years because you've had more movement happening, at least from
Speaker 6: guys that they've signed from the outside and not just
Speaker 6: signing their own they signed their own, but also brought
Speaker 6: some other people from the outside. Brian, I'll start with you,
Speaker 6: what's your overall rating for what they've done this year?
Speaker 8: Critical of this front office, and I've been super critical
Speaker 8: because I don't believe that they do this. Twenty four
Speaker 8: to seven like they want us to believe. Well, I'm
Speaker 8: gonna give um some credit here. They actually did do
Speaker 8: some twenty four to seven work here. They figured out
Speaker 8: that it's going to be about the draft, it's going
Speaker 8: to be about trading, and it's going to be about
Speaker 8: signing free agents. Well, see if the fact that they
Speaker 8: were able to get some guys, I think they maybe
Speaker 8: upgraded a couple spots. I think they probably went neutral
Speaker 8: in a couple spots and maybe not as good as
Speaker 8: some others. But they went out. They did this. They
Speaker 8: had to do this. They couldn't for the second year
Speaker 8: let depth completely walk out of this building, and they
Speaker 8: made sure of that. So they tried to help themselves
Speaker 8: that way. I don't think this does anything to limit
Speaker 8: what they're going to do in the draft. I think
Speaker 8: everything is still on board for them to pick any
Speaker 8: player that they feel like is good enough for the
Speaker 8: be on this football team. But I will give them credit.
Speaker 8: You did it, you did trades, you did free agency,
Speaker 8: and now let's see a draft.
Speaker 4: So good for you.
Speaker 5: I think the only position that I think there's a
Speaker 5: little bit of urgency that you can take away coming
Speaker 5: out of free agency going into the draft is probably
Speaker 5: linebacker just because you did, I'd run yeah, yeah, And yeah,
Speaker 5: there's there's some urgency that's taken off there, but you
Speaker 5: still need you could I guess more so, I'm saying
Speaker 5: if you took a linebacker in the first two days, yeah,
Speaker 5: that would be a little bit more surprising to me
Speaker 5: than if you took a running back.
Speaker 4: Gotcha.
Speaker 5: But yeah, they they went out and got bodies, and
Speaker 5: looking back to last season, they need bodies, and uh,
Speaker 5: that certainly helps. I would have liked to see them
Speaker 5: land an offensive weapon for for Dak Prescott, for you know,
Speaker 5: whatever this rookie running back is gonna look like. Obviously
Speaker 5: for Ceedee Lamb as well, just to kind of be
Speaker 5: that running mate with him. I would like for there
Speaker 5: to be a second fiddle. But you know, that's that's
Speaker 5: what the draft is also for. But you'd be putting
Speaker 5: a lot of pressure on a rookie to to be
Speaker 5: able to to to be that. But I would have
Speaker 5: maybe liked to have seen that in free agency. That's
Speaker 5: the one thing that I'd I'd come away with still desiring.
Speaker 5: But overall, they went out and got bodies and that's
Speaker 5: what they needed.
Speaker 8: At the end of the If the price comes down
Speaker 8: for Keenan Allen, would you consider that one for a
Speaker 8: veteran receiver.
Speaker 5: It kind of gives me the same vibes as Brandon
Speaker 5: Cooks in the sense that how is he in the
Speaker 5: sense that he's he's older, Yeah, and he's been banged
Speaker 5: up in his time in Chicago. Now, granted, played with Eberflus,
Speaker 5: so there's some experience there. Obviously Ebraflus on the defensi
Speaker 5: side of the balls, it's a little bit different.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 1: You'd get me neutral on that for the spirit of
Speaker 1: the conversation.
Speaker 7: Thirty two years old, that's not all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but he's got a lot of experience. He's
Speaker 1: got a lot of experience. That's like fifty eight in NFL.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, with that, we end the show. Thank you
Speaker 6: so much. We should be back next week. Derek should
Speaker 6: be back in the office as well, and we'll keep
Speaker 6: talking about whatever other moves happen here and before we
Speaker 6: get there, I know soon, and it's exciting. We you
Speaker 6: guys can visit the website. A lot of these guys
Speaker 6: already talked to the media, so you can get an
Speaker 6: inside look of kind of how they speak or you know,
Speaker 6: their thoughts coming into the Star and starting their new
Speaker 6: career here in Dallas. Thank you so much, Brian, Brian
Speaker 6: Nick as well. This has been the Break on dallascowboys
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