WEBVTT - Luke Reese - One for the Memory Banks 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.040 Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:08.240 Today's episode I am joined by Luke Reese. Luke is 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.200 the author of a new book, One for the Memory Banks. 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:15.280 It's a story about traveling around Scotland and learning to 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.480 play golf and kind of the culture of Scottish golf 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:22.160 and golf in the UK. Really, Luke I have known 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:24.920 for a long time. I caddied at a club he's 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.639 a member at. He has had a long career in 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.479 the golf world that started with Wilson Golf, but he 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.440 has also been the president and chairman of the board 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.040 of Peter Malar and is currently the chairman of the 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.080 board of Shoe the apparel company. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:40.560 Luke wrote this book. 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.560 He sent me an advance copy and we've been planning 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.680 to do this podcast for a while. But really interesting 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.720 book for any golf lover. It's got a little bit 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.200 of everything for everybody. And one of the neat things 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:56.040 that he's doing is that he is doing a large 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:01.040 donation of the proceeds. Ten dollars from every book if 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.680 you use our link, will be donated to the National 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.600 Links Trust, a organization that we have covered in great 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:12.280 detail on the website and the podcast that is just 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:17.360 took over the leases of the Washington d C Municipal Courses, 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:22.040 National Parks Courses East Potomac, Rock Creek and Langston and 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:27.240 are a nonprofit that's raising money to restore those golf courses. 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.279 So figure that's a pretty good cause and it fits 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.920 well with The Fried Egg. So we are going to 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:37.120 for every book purchased of one for the Memory Banks, 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.520 Luke is donating ten dollars of the twenty seven dollars 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:44.440 book to the National Links Trust. And to do that, 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.960 all you have to do is go to the Memory 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:53.040 Banks dot com, forward slash the Fried Egg and if 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.560 you make your purchase through there, ten dollars of your 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.639 book will go to the National Links Trust. So, without 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:04.080 further ado, here is Luke Reaes and Uh a story 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:08.160 of really his golf life and UH playing golf in 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:09.680 in the UK, I miss. 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.240 A green, for example, I'm already upset when I find 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.359 my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. And when 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.799 I find my ball in a bright egg Friday egg, 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:21.000 the dreaded Frida egg, Frida Egg egg bride egg Lie, 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:22.240 I'm about ready to run. 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:22.760 Off of the hump. 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.800 Being somebody that's been in the golf business for Is 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:39.160 there anything that compares to this in terms of the 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:40.240 demand for playing. 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.640 No, nothing, nothing's even remotely close. 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.400 I mean, this has been I think right now we're 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:51.600 experiencing in golf is just a people have gotten back 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.120 to the love of the game and they're playing, and 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:58.080 they realize it's outdoor, it's activity, you can do stuff, 0:02:58.120 --> 0:02:59.920 you can be with people, you can be socially just, 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.000 and you can also be sort of close to each other. 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.399 I think rounds of play are going to stay up. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:07.000 I would expect them. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:08.560 I think you're going to get a lot of people 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:12.000 who have suddenly realized this is a good game and 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.280 this is fun and it's a fun place to play, 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.560 and you know, I think rounds of play are going 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.839 to stay up. I think the only question that we'll 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:24.040 have is as over time, as people start to get 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.520 back towards having to work in an office, are they 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.200 going to be able to slip out and play nine 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.360 or slip out and practice chipping and putting or that 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:31.880 sort of thing. 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:33.560 And that's that's the big question to me. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.480 But I'm I think that people have realized that golf 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:39.280 is a really good thing to do. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.480 I think I think you hit on one of the things. 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.240 It's like, it's a great safe way to spend time, 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.200 spend time with people and your friends, and that kind 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.760 of ties into your book that just came out One 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:56.160 for the Memory Banks. A uh Rivet agreed. I think 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.760 it's neat because you've got you've got golf and architecture 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.720 mixed in with human interest in a story of a 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:10.640 great friendship, and ihip golf friendship as an adult is way. 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.480 It's like underrated because of how much time you spend 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:15.640 when you golf with somebody. 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:16.960 I've thought about this a lot. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.359 It's like, you know, even my best friends say, I 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:24.000 see him once a month now, and I you know, 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.160 I spend a couple hours with them. If I play 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:29.520 golf with the same person every weekend, I'm gonna spend 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.560 way more time over the course of the year with 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.440 that person than even your best friend. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:36.880 Well hopefully they become your best friend. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.320 Okay, hopefully hopefully your best friend is the person with 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.400 whom you're golf. I mean, I sort of I got 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:46.000 just incredibly lucky, and I guess you know, first of all, 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.320 you know, I came late to the game. I didn't 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.120 start playing it's till my mid thirties, and I was 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.320 a tennis player before that. Tennis is not a place 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.640 where you play for fun with people. You're hitting the 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.600 ball at somebody, they're hitting it at you. It's you 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:00.760 against them. By definition. 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:05.680 Golf is sort of a combination of you against the course. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.080 And it's and if it's match play, it can have 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.760 a whole competitive element to it that can have a 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:12.920 fun element to it, and you can celebrate their good 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.560 shot and at the same time try to beat it. 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.240 And I think that you know what where I got 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.040 lucky was learning to play with some Scottish guys who 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:25.680 were just amazing people and then who cared massively about 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.560 architecture and who at the same time wanted to play 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.880 new courses and wanted to play match play. And all 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.080 three or four of those coalesced into this like perfect 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.520 boiling pot for me of just an amazing golf experience. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:40.720 And so you know, I count myself as the luckiest 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.800 guy on the planet because I happened to run into 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:48.440 a former Scottish amateur champ and a low handicapped older 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:52.080 Scotsman who gave me a golf architecture book as my 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:53.279 first presence. 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.640 And you know, it's a great way. 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:57.320 It's a great way to get to get to know 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.840 the game. And so you know, back your comment about 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.160 your best friends, my best friends, the people with whom 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.880 I'm texting until ten o'clock last night about whether you 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.159 know they want to buy the new T three hundred 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.720 irons or whether they want the TSI two driver or three. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:15.560 I mean, these are the kind of things that you 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.760 sit back and look and go, that's the kind of 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.760 stuff we talk about. And then we're talking about changes 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:24.640 to MPCC Shorge Course and the new pro there, and 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.479 it's just these are the types of things that have 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:29.719 infinite variety. 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.120 No one has ever called me and said, let's. 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.960 Go play a tennis course at a new place, you know, 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.239 a tennis court. It's just like they're all the same. 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.799 They all have the same measurements, all the same dimensions, 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.440 and it's just who am I going to play with? 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.240 And we might be wearing different outfits, but that's it. 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.839 And so it's just to meet. Golf is just this 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.640 infinite variety. And then you have the history and then 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.120 you have the architecture and it's all there. It's just 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:56.480 a it's a cool thing to do. 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:03.240 Yeah, Golf the course obviously, I mean this podcast covers courses. 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.280 We think courses are infinitely interesting because of that variety. 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.840 I something I really appreciated from your book was reading 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:15.960 about how you got into the game late in life, 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.720 but then you got a different upbringing than all of 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.040 US Americans. You know, I always say that I want 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.640 to denounce my American golf citizenship, that I want to 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.840 be like A I want to be either an Australian 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.920 golfer or a or a UK golfer. Of all my 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:33.880 friends are like, you got to go there before you 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.960 can even say that, you know, but I I constantly 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:40.480 want to just I'm no longer an American system. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:41.320 You can. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.040 You have a legitimate claim. So you were take us there, 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.280 you know. I don't want to spoil the book too much. 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:47.920 It take us. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.680 You're working for Wilson's Sporting Goods at this point and 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.760 you you're working in their European office, and uh, that's 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:56.840 how you get into the game. 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.480 Yeah, it's so it's. 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.880 Very funny talking about renouncing your American golf citizenship. Don't 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.240 do that yet, but I will say, we are so 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:10.080 fixated on what did you shoot today? And we are 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.440 so fixated on the pro game. We talk about the 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:15.120 pro game so often as opposed to where are we 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:19.640 going to play? And the benefit of the UK is manyfold. 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:20.560 You know. 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.840 Number one, you can play almost every single one of 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.360 their courses as a regular person. You just have to 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:28.920 write a letter, you have to show up, you have 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.120 to be respectful, and it doesn't cost that much. So 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:37.240 the great courses are open, they're members, they're frequently members clubs, 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.640 but they're also open to us. The second thing is 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.480 these golfing societies. Crewis around and they play there on 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.480 different days and they're always playing the great places. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.400 So here's where I got lucky. 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.880 I was a tennis player, played college tennis, blah blah blah, 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.679 and I joined Wilson, which is the powerhouse tennis company. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.959 And you know, those of us from the golf industry 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.760 don't think of Wilson in quite the same esteem as 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.280 those from the tennis side. The tennis side, we're, you know, 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:09.079 we're essentially the titleist of tennis, and we had this 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.480 kind of power there and I came from it from 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.120 that side, and all the top managers were all tennis guys. 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.280 And somebody said to me, well, you know, golf in 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.199 Europe is going to grow, and I thought I probably 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.920 ought to figured this game out, okay, And I was 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.079 fresh off of this really disastrous scenario which I was 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:33.080 described the book of playing at Ballybunion before I even 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:34.599 knew how to play golf. It's sort of like my 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.200 third or fourth round of golf in life. And I 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:38.719 went out in a fifty mint our wind, in a 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.080 barber jacket and tried to play at Ballybunion, and I 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.199 was like, why would anyone pay money to do this? 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:46.360 It was just a disaster. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.520 And it's you know, I feel like that's the scenario 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.800 that so many Americans get dropped into, minus the leather, 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.080 but it's at a golf course with water. Really it's 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:01.760 really challenging for beginner and it's like, why do we 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:02.080 do this? 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.360 People should play from teas that are way further forward. 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.880 They should play easier golf courses until they can handle them. 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.440 And none of us can hit the heroic shots we 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.520 watch on the TV. And so to me this is 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.840 just sort of the funny part. But I'm in a 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.559 meeting one day in my offices in Munich and I'm basically. 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.199 A young sales rep. And I asked some guy to 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:24.800 critique my. 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:28.800 Swing, and he, in his Scottish brogue, goes, you know, 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.440 as a and he sort of pulled the whole crowd in. 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:32.800 This guy had that like presence. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:36.800 He's sort of like the you know, a combination Winston 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:42.199 Churchill Arnie Palmer type personality. Everybody listened to everything he said, 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:46.120 and he pulls me and goes, young, mister Reese, as 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.520 a golfer, you'd make a fine salesman. 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.959 Now here's my tip. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:54.920 And then he gave me a tip which was basically, 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.720 never touched the grip of a club in front of 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:03.120 a golf pro. Just basically, you will lose all credibility 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.280 the moment you try to address try to waggle, he said, 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.559 they'll know you don't know anything about golf. Okay, and 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.560 the whole crew crowd just cracked up, and everybody thought 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.320 it was funny. And I was sort of like slightly 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:16.600 humiliated as a young. 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.000 Salesman trying to sell. 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.760 You're trying to go sell the self clubs, so you 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:22.719 can't even grab yeah, and. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.600 I'm bribing self clubs and I could speak languages and 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.080 I could tell people like how wonderful this club was 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.319 and why the off center hits went straight and everything else, 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:35.440 but I sure couldn't actually do it. And so I 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.400 was like, oh my god, this guy's humiliating, but it 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.120 was sort of it was funny at the same time. 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.880 And the next week, sitting you know, showing up in 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.360 a little package. This is before FedEx and all these 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.679 kind of things. A little package shows up and it 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.480 was Donald Steele's Classic Links in the UK, and it 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.000 was a book and it was a little note from 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.480 this guy. And this guy was like seventeen years older 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.120 than I was. He was a senior sales manager and 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.640 he sends me this book and just says start reading 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:01.120 this book. 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.880 And I was like, oh my god. 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.400 And there's a picture of Turnberry on the front, on 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.160 the front, and you know, just and he just he 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.240 told me what pays to turn It was his home course, 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.880 which is basically western Gales, and he's like, you know, 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.439 come learn about golf and learn this is where golf 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:19.200 is really played. 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.600 And I was like, okay, I could figure this out. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.240 I'll get it. And then I just became fascinated. And 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.160 over the winter I just started reading more and more 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:28.880 about this thing. 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.480 And then James Dodson's book Final Rounds came out, and 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.560 about that same time and To the Links Land with 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.480 Michael Bamberger came out, and I was like reading these 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:41.280 books and I'm like, this is authentic, this is real, 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.080 and it's like and it appealed to me. It struck 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.920 this chord that was so much deeper than anything tennis 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.520 had ever done. In tennis, we'd sit back and talk 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.520 about how Labor used to beat Rosewall but that was 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.600 it okay, and you might beat him on a different 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:57.480 surface or something. 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.760 But in golf, it was like, wow, Bobby Jones played here, 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.880 specifically at this course and this is where he shot 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.360 the perfect round. I'm like, well, let's go play there, 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.320 let's go truck it, let's go see what happened. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.520 So it was a chance to actually do what the 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:17.400 pros do, what's happened in history, and for me, Links 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.080 and UK golf just appeal to every. 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:20.520 Aspect of that. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.920 And obviously I was lucky because we had a factory 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:28.199 in Urban Scotland and Urban is right next to Western Gales, 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:32.599 Glasgow Gals, Royal Troon, Prestwick, you know, just down the 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.440 road from Turnbury, you could play a lot of good 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.480 links golf and there are ten courses I didn't name 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.079 that are phenomenal. And so we would just sneak out 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.080 after work every day six o'clock at night and we'd 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:48.800 get eighteen in and then go to dinner. And I 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.320 just that's how I learned how to play. And so 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.040 it was always fast, it was always fun. It was 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.680 always match play. Never kept track of the score. So 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:58.920 you don't get debilitated by having by shooting a nine 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:00.680 on a hole. You pick up them and you've lost 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:01.480 the hole and you move on. 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.680 So I think the match play is so critical to 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.840 that because like the the concept of you're out of 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:10.439 the hole, you just pick up and you're get to 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.320 move to the next one and it only costs you 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:18.040 one is so valuable to a beginner, Like it's the penalty. 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.120 Of a bad hole is so much less. 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.040 If you play match play as a beginner, then as 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.080 as a stroke play it is. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:30.360 And if you take stroke play, you ruin around with 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.200 two bad holes. If you take match play, it's ten 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.240 percent of the round, okay, or roughly, you know, it's 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.400 a little more than ten percent, but not much more. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.520 So it's just like two bad holes. It's just two. 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.040 It's two points against you. 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:47.320 And that to me allowed me to get to move 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.840 along and start focusing on trying to make pars as. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:52.840 Opposed to worrying about making a quad. 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.960 Okay, and you know, a bad score just didn't matter 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.480 because literally you just pick it up. It Also, it's funny, 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.720 and it's what it's one probably a problem that I 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:02.400 have in golf. 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.680 I don't put nearly as well for a birdie as 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.400 I do for a par lots. 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.480 You know, it's just because it's it's exactly right, because 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.880 so you know, if I'll sit down, I've got a 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.240 ten footer for par I guarantee you the ball is 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.400 going to go slightly past that hole and it's going 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.920 to have a little more direct line. If it's for Bertie, 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.200 I'm like, whatever you do, don't make bogie in this hole, okay, 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.680 you know. So it's just, you know, it's it's just 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.680 that's the match play non killer instinct where you're just like, okay, 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:34.000 for a half, I'll ram this thing in for for 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.280 a victory, I'm gonna make sure I get the half, 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:36.600 you know. 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.600 So that's sort of the and I also played the 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.000 guy who was a world class taunter. 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.480 I mean his if you've read the book, you know 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.000 BONDI was able to get in your head on every 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.280 single putting stroke, every single time, and he could do 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.720 it in the most subtle, you know, classic British way. 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.440 But he'd say things and you'd sort of go, is 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:57.760 this uphill? Sit downhill? 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.640 Is it left or right? Is it right to left? 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.040 What happens if it goes too far past? So it 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:04.320 was it was nothing but fun. 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.920 You're making me miss I haven't played a good match 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.320 in a while, and I missed being those subtle lays, 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.360 the sneaky subtle aays to just kind of rattle some 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.400 face cage. They're the vest where they don't even they 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.120 think you're room for them, but you're just you're just 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:20.840 getting a little bit in their kitchen. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.800 I mean it's just sometimes like some of the things 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.120 that that guy would do and I just still laugh. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.400 It's like he'd give you a gimme, but make you 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.200 wait for a second. It's like icing your kicker in football, 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.400 but everybody knows you're going to ice the kicker. The 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.240 kicker's like, okay, are they going to actually use this 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:38.960 timeout or am I gonna have to kick this one? 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.120 And in putting, once you've been given a couple of 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.680 pluts early on, you get somebody gives you a four footer, 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.560 you know, early on instead instead of having you make it, 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.440 and especially if it's a straight up to four footer, 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:55.040 you give it now. Suddenly, you know, on about fourteen 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.080 or fifteen, you go, man, don't you wish you'd practiced 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:58.160 those four footers. 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:58.280 A little more? 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.880 You know, and it's just you're like, oh, crap, I 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:02.120 hope I don't miss this one, you know. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:06.520 So that's yeah, it's that's like a perfect example of 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:11.680 of GoF is you know, playing playing in stroke play stuff, 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.679 I always I didn't like having a five footer early 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.200 in a round, but I always liked if I had 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.199 one and I made it, I felt like it was 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.080 going to be a great day because it like you 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.720 feel like you just you get you're you're in the 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.520 right by set. And that's the thing that mashplay could do, 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.399 is that you could get thrown off because you just 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.439 don't put any of them, and then you're on your 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.440 heels all day well and. 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.840 You're standing back in match play and the Scots are 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.639 world class with this. They're really good at giving generous 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.280 gimmeis early on. They just don't make you put early 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.560 things early on, and then they slowly tighten device. 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:45.880 It's like playing against the python. 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.240 You know, they're just they just wrapped themselves around you, 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.200 and all of a sudden you're like, I actually could 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.120 win this thing. And now you're like, god, I hope 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.119 I don't give myself a four foot of a testy 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.200 four footer, and certainly not a left or right with 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:58.040 a little downhill. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.920 You know those are those are you know the Oh god, 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:01.520 I don't want to do it. 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.240 I don't want to go past, you know, for a 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.680 victory and then something you have to have a comebacker 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:06.240 for a half. 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:11.160 So psychological aspects of putting are just unbelievable. So I'm 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:15.159 curious as somebody who who writes occasionally a moonlight as 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.840 a as a writer on my website, I don't I 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.360 wouldn't say I'm regular on it anymore. But uh, you're 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:25.160 not a writer by trade, You've never been one. How 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.560 do you just sit down and write a book like 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.520 what did what did you do? What preempted it? And 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.119 uh and how did how did the whole process of 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.680 actually writing a book go for you? 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:40.160 First of all, hang on, shame on you. You are 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:40.600 a writer. 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.919 I enjoy your headlines and your wise ass stuff. 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:44.879 I enjoy it. 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.360 I don't even write. I don't even write that anymore. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.760 Though. Whoever wrote nobody beats Cockrock two d and thirty 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.560 three times in a row? That's really okay. I that 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.000 was a belly laugh for me. I I've opened up, 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:58.480 I have my cup of coffee. I look over and 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.560 I'm like, okay, that's just okay. So so don't tell 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:02.320 me you're not a writer. 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:07.359 That was well nice, Okay, I'm like a month contributor 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:07.920 at this point. 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.560 Then guess what, You're a great editor. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:12.879 At a minimum, you're a great I don't even edit 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.359 either yet. I've taken myself completely out of the writing. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:18.520