WEBVTT - Six Impossible Episodes by Request

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to steph you missed in history class from how

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm Holly Frying. It is

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<v Speaker 1>time for six Impossible episodes. Our last few six Impossibles

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<v Speaker 1>have had a running theme. We had a set of

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<v Speaker 1>six stories that were about frontline heroism from soldiers and spies,

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<v Speaker 1>and before that we had six episodes that sound a

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<v Speaker 1>lot like episodes we had already done. Before that, there

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<v Speaker 1>were six stories that might have been apocryphal, maybe not.

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<v Speaker 1>And so today we once again have six short stories.

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<v Speaker 1>As these things go, but this time it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a hodgepodge. These are all frequent requests, several of them

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<v Speaker 1>very heavily requested, and we're going to talk about them

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<v Speaker 1>all in one go. Um, they don't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of thematic commonality among one another except the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>people have asked us to talk about them. And just

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<v Speaker 1>a quick note that a couple of these are quite violent,

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<v Speaker 1>and the first one includes a couple of brief mentions

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<v Speaker 1>of rape and sexual assault. So first up in July

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<v Speaker 1>of this year, which we are recording in, we got

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of requests via email and social media

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<v Speaker 1>to do a podcast about Olive Yang. Yang died on

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<v Speaker 1>July thirteenth at the age of ninety, and their obituary

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of attention. Yang was born Yang Kin

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<v Speaker 1>sue In and what was then British Burma and is

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<v Speaker 1>now more commonly known as Myan mar This was in

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<v Speaker 1>the Golden Triangle of Southeast Asia, that's our region along

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<v Speaker 1>the border of jan Mart, Laos and Thailand, was a

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<v Speaker 1>major supplier in the global opium trade for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the twentieth century. Yang was descended from the royal

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<v Speaker 1>house of the Shan state of ko Lang, but the

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<v Speaker 1>family fled the region during Japanese invasions in World War Two.

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<v Speaker 1>Yang defied gender expectations and was described as a tomboy,

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<v Speaker 1>wearing boy's clothes and carrying guns, and having no desire

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<v Speaker 1>at all to marry or become a mother. In their

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<v Speaker 1>later years, Olive, whose native language has no gendered pronouns uh,

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<v Speaker 1>what asked to be called Uncle Yang. And all of

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<v Speaker 1>this together is why for this episode we are going

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<v Speaker 1>with the pronoun they when we reference Olive. In spite

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<v Speaker 1>of their protests, Yang was forced into an arranged marriage

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<v Speaker 1>with a younger cousin. Yang's mother died before the wedding

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<v Speaker 1>day and their father was in very ill health, But

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<v Speaker 1>the wedding went on as planned, and Yang then left

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<v Speaker 1>with this unwanted duty of providing an air refused to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, reportedly throwing a chamber pot at the groom

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<v Speaker 1>on their wedding night. Yang's son Jipou was ultimately conceived

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<v Speaker 1>through marital rape. Even before Gepoo was born, Yang had

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<v Speaker 1>already left the family and fallen in with bandits and

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<v Speaker 1>opium traders. With a reputation Asian for a fiery temper

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<v Speaker 1>and always being armed, they wound up being offered the

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<v Speaker 1>command of an army of three hundred men. On the

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<v Speaker 1>way in a take command, Yang's caravan encountered some drunken

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<v Speaker 1>officers trying to extort bribes, so Yang kidnapped the officers

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<v Speaker 1>and brought them along the rest of the way to

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<v Speaker 1>the outpost. This ruffled some feathers. Yeah, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of I'm gonna do what I want, and then people

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<v Speaker 1>being like, okay, that was maybe maybe that that is

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<v Speaker 1>going to raise some eyebrows. After gp was born in

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<v Speaker 1>the one, Yang left him with a wet nurse he

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<v Speaker 1>went on to be raised by a series of uncles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yang then turned their attention to developing the trade routes

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<v Speaker 1>that would turn the region into the world's largest supplier

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<v Speaker 1>of opium for a time, commanding a fighting force of

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<v Speaker 1>up to a thousand men and developing a reputation for

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<v Speaker 1>being particularly fierce. During the Cold War, the United States

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to influence policy and military outcomes in parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the war world where it wasn't really supposed to be operating,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was especially true when it came to attempts

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<v Speaker 1>to stop or roll back the spread of communism. Without

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to publicly intervene, the United States instead turned

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<v Speaker 1>to a number of covert programs to try to achieve

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<v Speaker 1>the same end. One of these was codenamed Operation Paper,

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<v Speaker 1>in which the CIA funded and armed various militias, most

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<v Speaker 1>of them involved in opium trafficking. These forces included remnants

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<v Speaker 1>of the Chinese Nationalist Army Cooman Tang or KMT, which

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<v Speaker 1>had been defeated by Mao Zedong in nineteen forty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the KMT were under Yang's command. Yang's troops

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<v Speaker 1>were on the receiving end of these covert air drops

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<v Speaker 1>at least once. In nineteen fifty two, Yang's force crossed

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<v Speaker 1>the border into Thailand illegally to retrieve weapons that had

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<v Speaker 1>been dropped by an unmarked CIA owned aircraft. The government

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<v Speaker 1>of what was then Burma complained to the UN General Assembly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yang was later arrested sentenced to five years in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of years after being released, Yang took over

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<v Speaker 1>the former army of their elder brother, who had advocated

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<v Speaker 1>his role in the Shan government, and thus became the

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<v Speaker 1>region's de facto leader. In nineteen sixty three, Yang was

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<v Speaker 1>captured again and spent more than six years in prison,

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<v Speaker 1>much of it in solitary confinement. They later reported to

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<v Speaker 1>relatives that they were repeatedly tortured and sexually abused while

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<v Speaker 1>behind bars. After their second release from prison, Yang found

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<v Speaker 1>that one of their lieutenants, Losing Han, had essentially taken

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<v Speaker 1>over the opium trade that Yang had built. Losing Han

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<v Speaker 1>wound up being a far more notorious name in the

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<v Speaker 1>opium trade than Yang did, at least until more recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Following some news coverage, Yang described themselves as a lesbian,

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<v Speaker 1>and their relationships were often the fodder of gossip columns

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<v Speaker 1>and tabloids. Including a reported relationship with actress Wah Wah

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<v Speaker 1>Win Schui in ten Win Schwi did nine that really

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<v Speaker 1>lationship in spite of having lived in a house that

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<v Speaker 1>Yang owned and giving the interview in question in a

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<v Speaker 1>rebuilt house that sat on the same property. Not all

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<v Speaker 1>of Yang's life was so notorious or sensationalized. Though later

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<v Speaker 1>on their active time and the opium trade was essentially over,

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<v Speaker 1>but Yang still had really extensive connections within all of

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<v Speaker 1>these criminal organizations, which led to their being recruited to

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<v Speaker 1>try to negotiate peace agreements with those organizations on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of the government. So obviously there is a lot going

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<v Speaker 1>on here. Al of Yang is a fascinating and complicated

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<v Speaker 1>character who was connected to the opium trade, international dispute,

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<v Speaker 1>and covert CIA programs. Me and mar has been in

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<v Speaker 1>the news a lot over the last few years, but

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<v Speaker 1>for a range of reasons, its history hasn't really been

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<v Speaker 1>covered on our show. So it's not surprising at all

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<v Speaker 1>that people asked for more. But here's the thing about

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make a whole episode about all of Yang.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of what's available in English, pretty much all

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<v Speaker 1>of this information goes back to reporting done by Gabrielle Poluke,

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<v Speaker 1>which was picked up and redistributed by the World from

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<v Speaker 1>p r I. Other outlets that picked it up from

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<v Speaker 1>there either go back to Poluke's reporting or to Poluke

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<v Speaker 1>herself in interviews. So it's clear from all of this

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<v Speaker 1>reporting that other information about al of Yeng exists, but

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<v Speaker 1>most of that isn't really information that we can get

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<v Speaker 1>to as an English speaking podcast on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. And Poluke is reportedly working on a

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<v Speaker 1>book according to the Washington Post, about all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and we would absolutely read that. We absolutely want that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a running theme in this show. There

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be several people who if there were

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<v Speaker 1>you know, uh and uh maybe not official, but if

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<v Speaker 1>there were a comprehensive biography on their life, then probably

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<v Speaker 1>we could do a complete episode. And they are all

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<v Speaker 1>biographies that I would jump on the opportunity to read.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up, we have another request that came in from

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people thanks to the Internet, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was the nineteen seventeen Silent Parade, which was also the

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<v Speaker 1>subject of a Google Doodle, which is what led so

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<v Speaker 1>many people to ask about it. The Silent Parade, known

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<v Speaker 1>at the time as the Negro Silent Protest Parade was

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<v Speaker 1>a protest that took place on July seventeen on Fifth

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<v Speaker 1>Avenue in New York City. The n double a CP

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<v Speaker 1>organized this protest in response to Jim Crow Laws, ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>lynchings and a riot in East St. Louis in which

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<v Speaker 1>a white mob had killed more than one hundred black

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<v Speaker 1>residents and destroyed the homes of about six thousand more.

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<v Speaker 1>The riot had taken place over July one through the third,

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<v Speaker 1>and that had been sparked in part by striking white

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<v Speaker 1>workers resentment that black strikebreakers were replacing them at a

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<v Speaker 1>box site processing plants. So taken from the letter that

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<v Speaker 1>was distributed in advance of the march, sort of as

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<v Speaker 1>instructions quote, we marched because, by the grace of God

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<v Speaker 1>and the force of truth, the dangerous hampering walls of

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<v Speaker 1>prejudice and inhuman injustices must fall. We marched because we

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<v Speaker 1>want to make impossible a repetition of way go Memphis

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<v Speaker 1>and East St. Louis by rousing the conscience of the

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<v Speaker 1>country and bring the murderers of our brothers, sisters, and

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<v Speaker 1>innocent children to justice. We marched because we deem it

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<v Speaker 1>a crime to be silenced in the face of such

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<v Speaker 1>barbaric acts. So that goes on with all of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons that they are marching, and they also gets into

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<v Speaker 1>procedures for the march. And then the letter ended quote

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<v Speaker 1>Yours in righteous indignation, Reverend Chaz Martin, Secretary. A list

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<v Speaker 1>of mottoes, first signs and banners was distributed in advance

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<v Speaker 1>of the march as well, including make America Safe for democracy, Mothers,

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<v Speaker 1>do lynchers go to Heaven, two hundred thousand black men

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<v Speaker 1>fought for your liberty in the Civil War, and Tracy's

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<v Speaker 1>favorite pray for the Lady Macbeth's of East St. Louis. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been a couple of different interpretations that have

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<v Speaker 1>been circulated for that last one, one being that it

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<v Speaker 1>referenced the white women of St. Louis who had egged

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<v Speaker 1>on the mob. So about ten thousand people, all of

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<v Speaker 1>them black, partici the pated in the silent March. The

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<v Speaker 1>organizers went first, and then children and then women who

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<v Speaker 1>were all dressed in white, followed by all the men

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<v Speaker 1>who were in dark suits. The protesters included W. E. B.

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<v Speaker 1>Du Bois and James Walton Johnson, James Weldon Johnson later

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<v Speaker 1>wrote about it and his autobiography, saying, quote, the streets

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<v Speaker 1>of New York have witnessed many strange sites, but I

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<v Speaker 1>judge never one stranger than this. Among the watchers were

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<v Speaker 1>those with tears in their eyes. This was certainly an

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<v Speaker 1>important event in civil rights history. It was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first, if not the first, non violent mass protest

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<v Speaker 1>against racism and racist violence. And the fact that all

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<v Speaker 1>the marchers were black was also important. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>most civil rights organizations and activities were integrated, in part

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<v Speaker 1>because the idea was so contentious that seeing white people

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<v Speaker 1>involved made it somewhat more palatable to other white people.

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<v Speaker 1>Having white people involved also offered at least some degree

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<v Speaker 1>of protection, Like there are so many stories about violence

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<v Speaker 1>during the civil rights movement, and this is a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit earlier than what a lot of people think of

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<v Speaker 1>as the movement. Um, So it wasn't a guarantee of safety,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was like a slight measure of safety sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's likely that there's enough information about this march,

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<v Speaker 1>and archives are special collections to make it into a

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<v Speaker 1>whole episode. But in terms of what's publicly available to

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<v Speaker 1>us right now, that's the overview and we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>some more stories, but first we're gonna pause for a

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<v Speaker 1>little sponsor break. Next up on our list. We have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten several requests for the Massacre of Glencoe, including from

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<v Speaker 1>Haga and Neil Ramona, ros Leia Megan, and almost certainly others,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of these came in around the time

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<v Speaker 1>of the Game of Thrones episode The Reigns of Castomir,

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<v Speaker 1>which also led to requests for another historical event known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Black Dinner. The Glencoe Massacre was one of

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<v Speaker 1>many bloody events in Scottish history that followed in the

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<v Speaker 1>wake of the Glorious Revolution. We talked more about the

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<v Speaker 1>Glorious Revolution in our podcast on the Jacobite Rising of

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five, and we will link to that in the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes, but very briefly, King James the seventh of

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<v Speaker 1>Scotland and second of England was Catholic, and when he

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<v Speaker 1>had a son, James Francis Edward Stewart, Protestants became concerned

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<v Speaker 1>about having another Catholic in the line of succession. So

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<v Speaker 1>Protestants in Scotland and elsewhere had hoped that James would

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<v Speaker 1>die without an heir and then be succeeded by a

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<v Speaker 1>Protestant monarch. With that no longer a possibility, some prominent

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<v Speaker 1>Protestants got in touch with William of Orange and basically

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<v Speaker 1>invited him and his army to come to England and

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<v Speaker 1>take over. So he did, and William and his wife

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<v Speaker 1>Mary became monarchs in sixteen eighty nine. Obviously, that's very

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<v Speaker 1>highly condensed. That's the speed round version. A number of

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<v Speaker 1>Scottish clans remained loyal to King James into the House

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<v Speaker 1>of Stewart for both political and religious reasons. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the basis for the Jacobite movement that we cover in

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<v Speaker 1>that previous episode and just f y I also makes

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<v Speaker 1>up the first chunk of the Outlander TV show and books.

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<v Speaker 1>The new monarchs, William and Mary, recognizing the threat that

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<v Speaker 1>that the Jacobites posed both to their reign and to

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<v Speaker 1>the overall stability of the kingdom, tried to secure the

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<v Speaker 1>Scottish clans loyalty. It took a very stick and carrot approach.

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<v Speaker 1>They offered an indemnity to the clans that agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>sign an oath of allegiance to them, while authorizing attacks

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<v Speaker 1>against the clans that didn't. As time went on, though

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<v Speaker 1>the focus got a lot more heavily on the stick

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<v Speaker 1>than on the carrot. This deadline for signing this oath

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<v Speaker 1>of allegiance was January one of six, and this presented

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<v Speaker 1>a number of logistical problems. Most clan chiefs needed to

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<v Speaker 1>travel somewhere to sign the oath in the presence of

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<v Speaker 1>a magistrate or sheriff, and winter in Scotland made that

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<v Speaker 1>rather difficult. Also, many of the clans had already sworn

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<v Speaker 1>an oath to James Stewart and they couldn't sign another

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<v Speaker 1>one until they were released from that first oath, and

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't happen until mid December. So a number of factors,

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<v Speaker 1>including travel, weather and the magistrate not actually being present

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<v Speaker 1>when they got there, Captain McDonald's of glen Coe from

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<v Speaker 1>meeting the January first deadline. Alistair McLean, chief of the clan,

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<v Speaker 1>arrived in time to do the signing, but he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually do it until January six. Alistair McLean was not

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<v Speaker 1>the only chief in the area who missed the deadline,

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<v Speaker 1>but for whatever reason, he was the only one who

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<v Speaker 1>was not included in an indemnity that was issued for

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<v Speaker 1>everyone who had Instead. McLean and the McDonald's of glen

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<v Speaker 1>co were subject to punishment by the quote utmost extremity

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<v Speaker 1>of the law. It may have just been an oversight

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<v Speaker 1>or an intentional effort to make an example of the

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<v Speaker 1>McDonald's of glen Cove for having been publicly loyal to

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<v Speaker 1>the Stewarts, but the elements of that are still unclear. Regardless,

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<v Speaker 1>and early February, soldiers arrived at glen Coe seeking shelter.

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<v Speaker 1>They reported that they had been assigned to Fort will Um,

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<v Speaker 1>which was not too far away, only to find that

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<v Speaker 1>the fort was already past capacity. So the soldiers were

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<v Speaker 1>billeted in the McDonald's homes, and then on February thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>starting at about five in the morning, the soldiers, along

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<v Speaker 1>with others who joined them from Fort William, massacred members

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<v Speaker 1>of the McDonald plan there in their homes. Alistair McLaine

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<v Speaker 1>was the first to be killed, while he was rising

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<v Speaker 1>from his bed by soldiers who were his guests. About

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight people were killed in the massacre on the thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>but since the soldiers also burned people's homes, many more

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<v Speaker 1>died of exposure. After the actual conflict was over three

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<v Speaker 1>years later, a Scottish Parliamentary Commission described it as quote

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<v Speaker 1>murder under trust. The Campbell clan has long taken the

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<v Speaker 1>blame for having orchestrated and executed this whole thing. There

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<v Speaker 1>was certainly a long standing feud between the Campbells and

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<v Speaker 1>the McDonald's, and the Campbells were heavily represented among the

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<v Speaker 1>military units that committed the massacre. But the Jacobite backdown

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<v Speaker 1>was really a much bigger issue than the Campbell McDonald feud.

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<v Speaker 1>The Campbells might have, and some would say definitely did,

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<v Speaker 1>taken the opportunity to exact some kind of justice after

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<v Speaker 1>years of skirmishes and cattle raids, but it was really

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<v Speaker 1>William and Mary who put such a sharp focus on

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<v Speaker 1>rooting out the Jacobites in the first place. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do a full episode about this one, largely because the

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<v Speaker 1>Game of Thrones episode that prompted so many requests came

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<v Speaker 1>out in at which point you couldn't turn around without

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<v Speaker 1>running into an article about the Glencoe massacre, so ours

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<v Speaker 1>kind of would have been redundant, And after that it

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<v Speaker 1>started to feel like the moment had really passed. That

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<v Speaker 1>was even more true after we did our show on

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<v Speaker 1>the Jacobite rising of since it covers so much of

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<v Speaker 1>the same territory. The Black Dinner, on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the other thing that everyone asked us to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about in response to this Game of Thrones episode

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<v Speaker 1>that's often summed up as a paragraph, so we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to include it. This kind of a bonus seventh

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<v Speaker 1>Impossible episode. In four team forty, sixteen year old William,

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<v Speaker 1>Earl of Douglas and his younger brother David were invited

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<v Speaker 1>to visit King James the Second of Scotland, who was

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<v Speaker 1>then ten, at Edinburgh Castle. So yes, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>completely different King James and the one we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about earlier in this segment. After being served the head

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<v Speaker 1>of a black bull, which was a symbol of death,

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<v Speaker 1>the two boys were taken out into the yard, given

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<v Speaker 1>a mock trial, convicted of treason, and beheaded. All of

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<v Speaker 1>this connects to an ongoing power struggle between the monarch

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<v Speaker 1>and the Douglas clan. At this point really more like

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<v Speaker 1>the monarch's advisors because the monarch himself was only ten

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<v Speaker 1>uh So basically the idea was that they were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to check the Douglas influence. But the whole story is

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<v Speaker 1>really full of said to have and may have been,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's really not clear who arranged this or what

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<v Speaker 1>their endgame was. Now to completely change gears, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're like so completely, so get ready because if you

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<v Speaker 1>may have a bump as we grind through the um.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up, Marian Downs, who is known as the mother

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<v Speaker 1>of pediatric audiology and requested most recently by Lee and Megan.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike so many other doctors we've talked about on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>Downs didn't spend her whole life planning to go into medicine.

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<v Speaker 1>She dropped out of college in the nineteen thirties to

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<v Speaker 1>get married and have children, which was really common among

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<v Speaker 1>female undergraduates at the time. Once her children got a

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<v Speaker 1>little older, though, she decided she wanted to go back

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<v Speaker 1>to school. And this was right after the end of

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two, when colleges and universities were flooded with

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<v Speaker 1>returning soldiers pursuing an education under the g I Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>So when Downs went to register for classes at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Denver, she picked a course of study by

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<v Speaker 1>finding the shortest line, and that line was for speech

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<v Speaker 1>pathology and audiology. Now didn't really know what that was

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<v Speaker 1>when she enrolled but she really excelled at it, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's known today for her pioneering work in infant hearing screenings.

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<v Speaker 1>I love when someone just sort of stumbles a degree

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<v Speaker 1>and exactly what happened has doubled into the short line

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<v Speaker 1>of greatness. Uh. In terms of the brain, a person's

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<v Speaker 1>language ability develops a lot in their first two years

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<v Speaker 1>of life, regardless of whether that language is verbal or

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<v Speaker 1>non verbal. And when Down started practicing, most children didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really get their hearing checked until they were three or

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<v Speaker 1>four years old, and even then that was usually because

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<v Speaker 1>the child's parent was concerned that perhaps their speech was delayed.

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<v Speaker 1>And Downs thought this was a huge disservice, that missing

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<v Speaker 1>out on those early years of language development was actually

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<v Speaker 1>setting people up for lifelong trouble with all aspects of communication,

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<v Speaker 1>including reading, and she was, of course right. So she

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<v Speaker 1>started testing children's hearing while they were still babies and

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<v Speaker 1>fitting them with hearing aids when they were as young

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<v Speaker 1>as a year old if they needed one. She encountered

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of resistance to this, in addition to everything

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<v Speaker 1>that comes along with being one of very few women

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<v Speaker 1>in a male dominated field. Other doctor insisted that a

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<v Speaker 1>child's brain wasn't ready to handle a hearing aid until

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<v Speaker 1>age three or four, and that her work was damaging.

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<v Speaker 1>From a neurology perspective, Downs was right. Her naysayers were

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<v Speaker 1>wrong that that just refusing to fit children with hearing

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<v Speaker 1>aids meant that the people who were hard of hearing

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<v Speaker 1>and with a little support could learn to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>listen and speak, like just denying that brain development time

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of years meant that the brain development

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't happening at all. In nineteen sixty three, Down started

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<v Speaker 1>the first systematic infant hearing screening program in Denver, Colorado. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>percent of children born at hospitals and birthing centers in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States have their hearing tested as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>they are born, maybe not literally the delivery room, but

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<v Speaker 1>before they leave the hospital or birthing center, they have

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<v Speaker 1>a screening. So these tests, of course, are very different

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<v Speaker 1>today than they were in the sixties. When Downs was

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<v Speaker 1>creating her testing protocol, she was using a device to

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<v Speaker 1>play specific sounds and then observing babies responses to them.

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<v Speaker 1>So some of the cues that she was looking for

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<v Speaker 1>could be really subtle, especially in newborns. There were things

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<v Speaker 1>like blinking or widening, their eyes are moving a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have to be really good at observation. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>the screening is usually use a device that plays a

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<v Speaker 1>tone into the ear and then measures basically the echo

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<v Speaker 1>from the inner ear. That's a bit of a simplification,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's an analogy. Another test which is often done

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<v Speaker 1>if that first one UH suggests that the child might

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<v Speaker 1>have hearing loss, that one measures like the actual brain

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<v Speaker 1>stem response to sounds using little sort of electrode attachments.

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<v Speaker 1>And today there's also some debate about what the best

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<v Speaker 1>strategy should be for deaf and heart of hearing babies,

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<v Speaker 1>But at this point there is a lot of evidence

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<v Speaker 1>backing up the fact that there needs to be some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of strategy. Children who don't begin to learn language

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<v Speaker 1>in their first months of life really miss out on

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<v Speaker 1>critical brain development and the effects of that missing space

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<v Speaker 1>are lifelong. Yeah, there's a whole a hole at this

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<v Speaker 1>point body of research about everything from you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to comprehend language to be able to express themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>to children who don't begin to learn some sort of language,

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<v Speaker 1>either verbal or nonverbal, having trouble reading and not being

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<v Speaker 1>able to to read well. For basically the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>their life. So in addition to her work as a doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>Downs was also a teacher. She published nearly a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>books and articles on audiology during her career. Towards the

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<v Speaker 1>end of her life, she also wrote shut Up and

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<v Speaker 1>Live You know How, a ninety three year old skuide

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<v Speaker 1>to living to her rifled age. I kind of want

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<v Speaker 1>to read it now. Uh. Downs died on November at

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<v Speaker 1>the age of one hundred, having made a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>advances in the world of audiology while also surviving a

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<v Speaker 1>plane crash, traveling all over the world, playing tennis, skiing,

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<v Speaker 1>and narrowly avoiding being blown up by a grenade during

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<v Speaker 1>the Vietnam War. It is clear that she was both

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<v Speaker 1>a medical trailblazer and a character or and somebody that

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<v Speaker 1>chooses her life course based on the like for it.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's more medical than personal information available about her

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. So maybe someday someone will write her

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<v Speaker 1>biography and we would certainly read that book as well. Ye,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna take another quick sponsor break before we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about our last two impossible episodes. For our last two segments,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to start with one that came in as

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<v Speaker 1>either a post or a comment on our Facebook page,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't immediately write down who said it, which

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<v Speaker 1>sadly means that's now lost forever. Facebook comments and posts

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<v Speaker 1>are the hardest things to try to track down later on.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you whoever asked us to talk about Lena Himmelstein,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the founder of Lane Bryant. Himmelstein was born

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<v Speaker 1>in a stettle in Lithuania. Her parents died when she

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<v Speaker 1>was young, and she was raised by her grandparents. She

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<v Speaker 1>immigrated to the and In States when she was sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>joining her older sister Anna, and the two of them

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<v Speaker 1>worked in a sweatshop. Haimilstein married a jeweler named David

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<v Speaker 1>Bryant in They had a son together, who they named Rafael,

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<v Speaker 1>but David died not long after Rafael's birth. Widowed and

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<v Speaker 1>without a source of income, Hamilstein returned to sewing, this

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<v Speaker 1>time opening a dress shop where she focused on making

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<v Speaker 1>expensive dresses and lingerie, which were euphemistically called bridal sets.

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<v Speaker 1>In seven a customer asked her to design a maternity dress,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was at the time a new concept in

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<v Speaker 1>American fashion. People generally wore their regular clothes during pregnancy,

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<v Speaker 1>letting out the seams or adding extra material to make

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<v Speaker 1>more room because they're belly swelled and they needed different

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<v Speaker 1>garments fits During very advanced pregnancy. When this was not practical,

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<v Speaker 1>people who could afford to typically just stayed at home.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of people couldn't afford to just stay

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<v Speaker 1>home while pregnant, and there was this huge unmet need

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<v Speaker 1>for a practical, modest, comfortable maternity garment that was appropriate

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<v Speaker 1>to be warned to work. So Haimilstein's first design was

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<v Speaker 1>a simple adjustable dress that used pleats and elastic to

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<v Speaker 1>expand as needed, and it was an immediate success. When

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<v Speaker 1>she realized how much demand there was for maturity clothing,

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<v Speaker 1>Haimilstein branched out into more designs, using elastic and flared

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<v Speaker 1>skirts and draw strings, sashes and ties to try to

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<v Speaker 1>fashion dresses that were comfortable, expandable, and often also concealing.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of them were designed to still be wearable, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>with a little bit of alteration after the baby was born.

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<v Speaker 1>This concealment of pregnancy was actually a really big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first decades of Himilstein's business, people who could

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<v Speaker 1>afford it replaced their regular coursets with maternity coursets which

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<v Speaker 1>were designed to both support the figure and conceal the

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<v Speaker 1>appearance of pregnancy, and you can actually buy these at

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<v Speaker 1>a number of retailers, including Lane Bryant. As I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking to see if I can find a picture of her,

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<v Speaker 1>or like a good historical picture of a of an

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<v Speaker 1>old storefront or something, I kept finding all of these

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<v Speaker 1>maternity corset ads and they were all on scans of

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper pages, and there would be three or four other

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 1>maternity corset ads right around there. So maternity course it's

0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:23.200
<v Speaker 1>hot item at the time. In two Himilstein remarried Lithuanian

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:27.919
<v Speaker 1>American mechanical engineer Albert Malson. They eventually had three children together.

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<v Speaker 1>Milson started working on the financial and logistical side of

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<v Speaker 1>the business, helping it to expand, and the business incorporated

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<v Speaker 1>as Lane Bryant Incorporated in nineteen sixteen, when she had

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<v Speaker 1>opened her first bank account for the business. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>those earlier days of that first dress shop, her name

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<v Speaker 1>had been Lena Bryant, but the bank misspelled it as

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<v Speaker 1>Lane and the name just stuck. So was she going

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<v Speaker 1>by that name? Nope, Nope, I don't think she personally

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<v Speaker 1>was going by the name, but it was just the

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<v Speaker 1>business name. But yeah that when the bank misspelled it

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<v Speaker 1>on her her business account, that definitely stuck for the

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:10.120
<v Speaker 1>business name Gotcha. Sales grew rapidly, from fifty thousand dollars

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 1>to five million dollars between nineteen o nine and ninety three.

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventeen, she also branched out from Eternity, where

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:22.360
<v Speaker 1>in two plus sized clothing, this time after having measured

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>thousands of women and found that they all generally fit

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 1>into one of three body types, so she made clothing

0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 1>in larger sizes for each of those types. By nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine, lane Bryant had more than a hundred stores,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was in spite of cultural taboos that had

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:41.399
<v Speaker 1>prevented Hamilstein herself from being able to advertise in the

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 1>earliest years of the business. Most of her early advertising

0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>was done through word of mouth, and most of her

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:51.440
<v Speaker 1>sales came from mail order catalogs. Even so, for decades,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the women in lane Bryant's advertisements were very slender.

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<v Speaker 1>None of them were visibly pregnant. They were basically like

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<v Speaker 1>people like like women in little little dresses with little

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 1>tiny waists, being like yes, you can expand the stress

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.640
<v Speaker 1>quite a lot. Well, and that's one of those things

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:13.199
<v Speaker 1>that's even carried through into the modern era. Only in

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 1>the fairly recent era in plus sized catalogs have models

0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 1>been anything over like a twelve. So it's changing now,

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:29.000
<v Speaker 1>but slowly, but but happening. Yes. In addition to designing

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 1>and selling clothing for populations that were not really being

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:35.879
<v Speaker 1>served by the fashion industry, Lena Hamilstein was also on

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the forefront of labor rights for retail employees. During her

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 1>time at the company's helm, employees received reimbursements for medical care,

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 1>along with pensions, life insurance, disability coverage, and profit sharing.

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>She was also a philanthropist, donating to the Hebrew Immigrant

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Aid Society and the New York Federation of Jewish Philanthropies,

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<v Speaker 1>among others. Hamilstein died on September nineteen fifty one, at

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<v Speaker 1>which point Lane Bryant was the largest plus sized clothing

0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 1>retailer in the United States. And in today's running theme,

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<v Speaker 1>if someone wrote a full biography of Lena Haimilstein, I

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 1>would read that for sure. Uh, and now once again

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<v Speaker 1>another gear change. Uh. We're gonna go out on a

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<v Speaker 1>much later note. Courtesy of our listener Mike, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is the Great Wyndham Frog Fight of seventeen fifty four.

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<v Speaker 1>At least it's lighter if you're not especially uh soft

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 1>on frogs or really love okay, if you if you

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>like frogs a lot, or just animals in general. Not

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>so much of a lighter story. But it is really weird.

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<v Speaker 1>So things weren't going too well in Wyndham, Connecticut in

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<v Speaker 1>the summer of seventeen fifty four. The French and Indian

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>War has started that May, and the region had also

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>been beset by rout and then on one particularly muggy

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:55.320
<v Speaker 1>night in June, I did not find anywhere that specified

0:29:55.360 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>what night in June specifically, residents were arra find out

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>of their beds by a horrible, inexplicable cacophony. People heard

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of shouts among the clamor and they sounded

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 1>like calls for rum or gin, or the names of

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:16.400
<v Speaker 1>the town's militia leaders, or the names of the people listening,

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>or war cries from an invading army, or the trumpets

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 1>on Judgment Day. Sometimes people call it the frog Fright

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 1>because it was so very frightening. There was just so

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<v Speaker 1>much noise. Some of the local militia did take up

0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>arms and fire into the darkness, but that had little effect.

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>By morning, though the sound had died down. After dawn,

0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 1>the residents of Wyndham left their homes to find hundreds

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:44.959
<v Speaker 1>of bull frogs belly up all over the place, and

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 1>they eventually concluded that they had been fighting over the

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<v Speaker 1>last remnant of water in a nearly dry pond, and

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 1>that those frogs fighting had caused all of this noise.

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 1>We're also taking with a grain of salt how many

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>frog they're really were, because we only have the accounts

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>of people who were frightened out of their wits. Uh

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>So this became a weirdly popular story. In the eighteenth century.

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 1>The town put a frog on its official seal. There

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 1>were poems and ballads and even an operetta written about it.

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 1>The Windham Bank even issued money with a pair of frogs,

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<v Speaker 1>one living in one dead, with the living one kind

0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 1>of like lording over the dead one in a position

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 1>of victory in the lower right corner. Today Wyndham is

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>known as Willomantic, and there's a bridge over the Willomantic

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 1>River has giant bronze frog sculptures on it. So that's

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 1>basically the whole story why that's why we're not doing

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 1>a whole episode on it. It's very weird, but there

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 1>there's just not not a lot more there. I like

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>how it's like the frog spooked us real bad and

0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>now it's our town identity. Exactly what happened? Do you

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 1>have some listener mails? Sure you? Uh? And this is

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<v Speaker 1>from Kara and it goes back all the way back

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<v Speaker 1>to our Her Nana's Versus Texas episode which was earlier

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<v Speaker 1>this fall, and Kara says, Hi, Holly and Tracy, I

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<v Speaker 1>love the show. I listened on my way to work,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love finding out new and interesting things on

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<v Speaker 1>my commute. I had honestly thought I would never have

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<v Speaker 1>a reason to write in about an episode because I

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 1>thought that my life and experience did not particularly intersect

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<v Speaker 1>with history. But then I heard your episode on Her

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Nanda's Versus Texas. I was delighted to hear a brief

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<v Speaker 1>reference to the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals. I'm a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>and after graduating from law school, I clerked for a

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<v Speaker 1>judge on the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals. A clerkship

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>is a one or two year position where a generally

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 1>newly graduated lawyer assists a judge by reviewing petitions, doing research,

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 1>advising the judge, and helping to draft a pit unions.

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<v Speaker 1>My time with this little known court was very interesting

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm so glad for the experience. I still fondly

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<v Speaker 1>remember eating my lunch on a bench outside the Texas

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 1>State Capital nearly every day when looking at the beautiful

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 1>flowers that are planted there. Here's a bit of legal trivia.

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<v Speaker 1>The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals is one of only

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<v Speaker 1>two high courts that exclusively here's criminal cases in Texas.

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 1>The Texas Supreme Court Here's only civil that is, non

0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>criminal cases, while the Court of Criminal Appeals is at

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<v Speaker 1>the same level as the Texas Supreme Court, Here's only

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 1>criminal cases. This explains why Hernandez appealed directly from the

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<v Speaker 1>c c A to the U. S. Supreme Court and

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<v Speaker 1>did not go to the Texas Supreme Court. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>then it follows with a plug for an episode idea

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<v Speaker 1>and then kerasas thanks for all you do, Kara, Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much. Kara. I am so glad that uh

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<v Speaker 1>that we had got this email, because I was actually

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<v Speaker 1>curious about why the case had gone from the Texas

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<v Speaker 1>Court of Criminal Appeal, which just by its name suggests

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<v Speaker 1>that it is an appeals court that would probably be

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>like a rung below a Supreme court. Um why I

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:11.360
<v Speaker 1>had gone directly from that to the U. S. Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was very glad to learn that reason, which

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<v Speaker 1>is one of those like details that I did not

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 1>look up at the time because it was not completely

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 1>pertinent to what we're talking about. So thank you so

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