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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: There's lots of science in science fiction. And you brought

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Speaker 2: up Isaac Asimov and he seemed to be a good

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Speaker 2: seventy eighty years before the trend, right, he was part

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Speaker 2: of what we actual reality.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's what we call first fandom in science fiction,

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Speaker 3: and it means a group of people writing science fiction

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Speaker 3: back in the nineteen thirties as they were growing into adulthood.

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Speaker 3: And so he's looked at an awful lot of that

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Speaker 3: sort of thing. But you can take a look at

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Speaker 3: almost any science fiction writer who has predicted something.

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Speaker 4: Arthur C.

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Speaker 3: Clark predicted the communications satellite, for example, and I think

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Speaker 3: Clifford Y Simec did a lot of things. They predicted

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Speaker 3: where we were going to go. So we look at

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Speaker 3: all of that sort of thing. In that respect, time

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Speaker 3: travel has always been kind of problematic. I just watched

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Speaker 3: Somewhere in Time and there's.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you know what I wrote that down to bring

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Speaker 2: up to you. This is a this isn't made for

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Speaker 2: TV movie actually with Christopher Reeves.

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Speaker 4: No, it was theatrically released.

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Speaker 2: It was okay, well, maybe in the n I saw it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: maybe I just saw it when it was on TV.

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Speaker 2: At some point I thought it was a made for

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Speaker 2: TV movie that just took off. But you know, at

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Speaker 2: the Grand Hotel and all that, that is such a

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Speaker 2: that's a really good love story, but when you throw

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Speaker 2: the time travel on it, it's really heartbreaking, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly, certainly is. But there's a major flaw in

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Speaker 3: it that I always wanted to talk about.

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Speaker 4: Oh, let's go, where the hell did the watch come from?

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Speaker 3: She gives it to Christopher Reeve, he takes it back

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Speaker 3: to nineteen twelve, he gives it to her. Where does

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Speaker 3: it come from? Where was it manufactured? And that's one

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Speaker 3: of the problems. And that's one of the problems with

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Speaker 3: time travel. You you you can get into those kind

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Speaker 3: of I guess, paradoxical loops where you know, there's always

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Speaker 3: the great joke, if time travel exists, I will meet

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Speaker 3: those people at this place at this time to see

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Speaker 3: how it works. And there was a wonderful science fiction

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Speaker 3: story where people were looking for other time travelers and

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Speaker 3: where do you go? And they end up literally hundreds

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Speaker 3: of them at the crucifixion of Christ. Because that's such

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Speaker 3: a point in history that they kind of congregate there.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, you can take a look at all

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Speaker 3: of that sort of thing, but I don't think travel

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Speaker 3: into the past is going to be possible. But we

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Speaker 3: are all traveling into the future at.

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Speaker 4: One minute per minute.

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Speaker 3: But if you move closer to relativistic speeds towards the

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Speaker 3: speed of light, then time slows down, so you move

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Speaker 3: into the future literally faster than the people on Earth

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Speaker 3: where would be moving. So there's a theoretical possibility of

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Speaker 3: that sort of time travel, but you can't get back

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Speaker 3: to your original point.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're sort of a rare breather of air because

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Speaker 2: you've got all this military experience in your background, and

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Speaker 2: you've got the science fiction writer in you in your

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Speaker 2: background too, so you can see things. You're like a

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Speaker 2: day walker. You're like a vampire that could walk during

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Speaker 2: the day. You have all these extra powers. You're like

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a superhero in my book. And

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Speaker 2: I remember listening back in a day it was a

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Speaker 2: classic interview. In fact, we played it not too far

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Speaker 2: in the past on Art Bell where hein on Terrence

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Speaker 2: McKenna and Art Bell was saying asking Terrence McKenna about

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Speaker 2: time travel, and his answer was, well, I don't think

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Speaker 2: they've invented the time machine yet because nobody's traveled back

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Speaker 2: here to tell us about it. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: that that's necessarily true, because a lot of people have

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Speaker 2: claimed to have been from the future in coming back.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I don't know. Maybe it's the algorithm that's

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Speaker 2: happened on my Instagram and my YouTube, but I see

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Speaker 2: it quite a bit, and quite a few of them

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Speaker 2: are hoaxes. Some of them, you know, provide video. I've

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Speaker 2: seen this great video of somebody who says he's a

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Speaker 2: time traveler in the future, and he said, unfortunately there

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Speaker 2: was nobody around, and he's walking through this empty building

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Speaker 2: and showing video and you find out that it's all

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Speaker 2: from a science fiction film that was shot somewhere in Germany,

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Speaker 2: like in the nineties, that that video is to fake.

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Speaker 2: So I've seen lots of fakes. I've seen lots of debunks.

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Speaker 2: But let's let me ask you this. Do you think

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Speaker 3: Well, once again, we are traveling in time, yes, and

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Speaker 3: I think I think theoretically we can travel into the future,

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Speaker 3: The past has already sat. This is my own personal opinion.

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Speaker 3: I've written science fiction stories where they're doing traveling in

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Speaker 3: the past. I just published a book called On the

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Speaker 3: Second Tuesday of Next Week, which is sort of a

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Speaker 3: science fiction war novel, and the premise is that there's

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Speaker 3: there was a big battle between forces of Earth and

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Speaker 3: an invading alien race out near the Pluto, and our

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Speaker 3: forces win, and when some of the people get back

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Speaker 3: to the Mars headquarters, they found that they've lost, and

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Speaker 3: the gag is the other side knows time travel, so

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Speaker 3: they know the stakes were made so they could fix it.

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Speaker 3: And then our guys say, well, if time travel is possible,

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Speaker 3: we should do that, And so they get into a

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Speaker 3: big fight over changing this one battle back and forth

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Speaker 3: to the see who to win the battle repeatedly, so

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Speaker 3: they have to come up with a way to end

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope make that a movie. That's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 2: I suppose the Avengers do a little bit of that

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Speaker 2: in the Marvel movies. I don't know if you've seen that,

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Speaker 2: where they pull off out what they call a time heist.

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Speaker 2: Have you have you seen?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: No, they lose a big battle, so they decide to

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Speaker 2: kind of go into the quantum realm to to go

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Speaker 2: back and reverse that, and you know the thing that

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Speaker 2: that split decision that they made that ended up, you know,

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Speaker 2: losing half of every living thing. They try to go

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Speaker 2: and so they're trying to go and pull off a

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Speaker 3: Well, my friend, my friend Bob Cornette and I did

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Speaker 3: a series of books starting with Remember to the Alamo,

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Speaker 3: the Alamo, and then that affects the time sequences and

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Speaker 3: Horn trying to fix that as well, put it back

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Speaker 3: the way it's supposed to be. They have to keep changing,

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Speaker 3: and their influences turned out and usually to be negative.

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Speaker 2: Have you read the book or it was actually a

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Speaker 2: Hulu show too, but the book was much better. Stephen

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Speaker 2: King's nineteen sixty three.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yes, yes, yes, I absolutely love that story.

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Speaker 2: There's a there's a really cool premise, an extra time

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Speaker 2: travel premise in there. So, I mean, the ridiculous thing

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Speaker 2: is there's a like a diner that when you walk

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Speaker 2: into the freezer, you can go back to nineteen sixty one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, well, yeah, you always end up the same

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Speaker 4: So now his.

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Speaker 2: Thing was the guy who went before him kept going

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Speaker 2: back because he thought if he could save Kennedy from

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Speaker 2: being assassinated, then the world would be a much better place.

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Speaker 2: The premise of this book that was really interesting is

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Speaker 2: that time itself, just the nature of things. Once you

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Speaker 2: go back into time, it does not want to change.

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Speaker 2: gonna get arrested. Like the forces of the forces of

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was absolutely great.

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Speaker 3: And he actually does prevent the Kennedy assassination, but in

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Speaker 3: the process for those of you have not read the

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Speaker 4: It's really degraded into.

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Speaker 3: Dystopian world, and he has to go back and try

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Speaker 3: to fix all of that by allowing Kennedy to be assassinated.

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty crazy story. That's a that's a very

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Speaker 2: good time like. I don't know why that didn't get

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Speaker 2: of it on Hulu. I wish it would have been

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Speaker 2: a little better, because the book was great.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: The the one that I can't find a lot of

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Speaker 2: Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. I think at the time

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Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting in there, and.

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Speaker 3: They're doing all this so they can pass their history

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Speaker 3: coil class and get out of high school too. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: what did you think of that we're going we're going

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Speaker 3: back to the past and we're gonna gather all these

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Speaker 2: That's right, And you know, Back to the Future seems

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Speaker 2: to get it. They seem to be pretty pretty dialed

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Speaker 2: in on their their rules of time travel too. What

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Speaker 2: what about that movie you think kind of holds up

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Speaker 2: in these science fiction theory and then what would you

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Speaker 2: totally blast a hole in like somewhere in time?

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Speaker 3: It really blasted a hole in somewhere in time. I

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Speaker 3: just want to know where the watch came from. I

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Speaker 3: thought that was an important point. But all the time

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Speaker 4: You've created a new world.

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Speaker 3: And yet you're moving through it with knowledge of the

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Speaker 3: of problematic. But the I like the first movie and

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Speaker 3: I kind of liked the second movie. I wasn't so

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Speaker 3: thrilled with the third version of it, where he's back

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Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, that one didn't land as hard as

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Speaker 2: the first two. Yeah, the first two were really brilliant,

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Speaker 2: Robert Sims brilliant.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they were. They were very good.

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Speaker 3: And there's not a lot to fault in it if

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Speaker 3: you grant the premise of time travel. And I've always

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Speaker 3: been you know, there's always the big paradox. Well, if

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Speaker 3: you go back in time you and kill your grandfather,

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Speaker 3: then you won't exist. So how can you go back

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Speaker 4: You have to exist.

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Speaker 3: If you go back and kill your grandfather, you may

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Speaker 3: wipe out your whole family at that point, but you

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that okay, I gotta sit in that for

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Speaker 2: a second. That's pretty deep. The grandfather paradox were calling this.

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Speaker 2: So if you go back in time to eliminate your grandfather,

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Speaker 2: the fact that you were able to go back in

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Speaker 2: time and eliminate your grandfather means that other people in

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Speaker 2: your family won't exist, but you still will because you're

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Speaker 2: the agent of change.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you have to exist to make the change. Why

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Speaker 3: did a science fiction novel too? I'm now a short

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Speaker 3: story I think quite a long time ago where they

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Speaker 3: go back in time to kill Hitler, which, of course

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Speaker 3: everybody that's the premise. Everybody does, let's go back and

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Speaker 3: kill Hitler. But in this one, because they Hitler was killed,

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Speaker 3: the Germans win World War two and it changes the

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Speaker 3: whole future, and so they're going to go back and

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Speaker 3: try to fix that. But I guess it would be

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Speaker 3: the Gestapo arrest all the people were involved in the

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Speaker 3: fix history the way it's supposed to be, with the

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Speaker 3: Nazis losing the Second World War because Hitler was a

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Speaker 3: problem with the battlefield instructions and making just disastrous and catastrophic.

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Speaker 4: Orders about how they're supposed to act, and.

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Speaker 3: Without him in the way, the German high command is

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Speaker 2: I know that from watching Ancient Aliens that there was

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Speaker 2: a pretty big search in a scientific exploration by the

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Speaker 2: Germans during World War two to build the time machine,

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Speaker 2: and it seems like from their estimation, they thought that

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Speaker 2: for that very reason that if they lost the battle,

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Speaker 2: again until they won. Is there any truth out or

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Speaker 2: is that? Does that mean just getting sucked in by

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Speaker 2: ecient aliens?

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Speaker 3: I think as you getting sucked in by each an alien,

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Speaker 3: But no, I haven't. But I also say that that

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Speaker 3: the Nazis. The Germans were really into the New Age

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Speaker 3: Noah's arc, not no as arc, but the ark of

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Speaker 3: the Covenant arc in the Covenant, Thank You. And they

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Speaker 3: were into a lot of psychic phenomenon as well, which

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Speaker 3: didn't pan out for them, but but they were. They

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Speaker 3: were doing a lot of research into that. The Soviets

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Speaker 3: same thing in the in the eighties and nineties, trying

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Speaker 3: to trying to develop these psychic I guess psychic powers

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Speaker 4: Some of it was based on the NAJE.

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Speaker 3: I used to do a radio show in El Paso,

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Speaker 3: Texas on KTSM Radio and we had Irene Hughes, I

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Speaker 3: think was the big psychic at the time, and Brad

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Speaker 3: Steiger actually helped her help.

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Speaker 3: There were four teams left in the playoffs, and so

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Speaker 3: going to be in it. And after I signed off

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Speaker 3: from that part of those segment, I said, you know,

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Speaker 3: she's completely wrong, because we know it's going to be

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Speaker 3: the Cowboys and the Steelers, and the Cowboys are going

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Speaker 3: to win by ten points. I got the teams right

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Speaker 3: and called the spread. Basically, she got the two teams wrong.

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Speaker 3: So I thought that was kind of interesting, but I

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