Speaker 1: What do you do when life doesn't go according to
Speaker 1: plan that moment you lose a job, or a loved one,
Speaker 1: or even a piece of yourself. I'm Brookshields and this
Speaker 1: is now What, a podcast about pivotal moments as told
Speaker 1: by people who lived them. Each week, I sit down
Speaker 1: with a guest to talk about the times they were
Speaker 1: knocked off course and what they did to move forward.
Speaker 1: Some stories are funny, others are gut wrenching, but all
Speaker 1: are unapologetically human and remind us that every success and
Speaker 1: every setback is accompanied by a choice, and that choice
Speaker 1: answers one question, now what? And is there one of
Speaker 1: your children that's the most like you?
Speaker 2: I think they all have different sides of me. Chloe
Speaker 2: has my nesting side. Her and I are very much
Speaker 2: alike the way we keep our houses, always trying to
Speaker 2: clean something every five minutes. And then Kim is my
Speaker 2: entrepreneurial side, and Courtney is my nostalgic side and loves
Speaker 2: family and kids. And Kendall was over yesterday and she
Speaker 2: loves nature, that little side of me that most people
Speaker 2: don't know about, and she loves her horrors. Kylie has
Speaker 2: this magical quality where she just thinks that, you know,
Speaker 2: she works hard and everything's just going to work out,
Speaker 2: and it does. And I was I think I was
Speaker 2: like that. I was always dreaming but able to capture
Speaker 2: that dream and reality. And then my son Rob is
Speaker 2: so funny and so fear and he's a good person
Speaker 2: and has a great, sweet spirit. So I could sit
Speaker 2: back and see that personalities and every single one of them,
Speaker 2: and then pray that I'm as good of a person.
Speaker 2: You know, my kids, I'm so proud of them because
Speaker 2: they're so great.
Speaker 1: On the side, my guest today is one of the
Speaker 1: most famous moms in the world. Chris Jenner is the
Speaker 1: matriarch of the Kardashian Jenner family and a brilliant businesswoman
Speaker 1: in her own right. She's savvy, gracious, and quite possibly
Speaker 1: the hardest working woman in show business. As someone who
Speaker 1: personally grew up in the public eye, I can understand
Speaker 1: the world that Chris lives in, and I know a
Speaker 1: thing or two about what it means to have a
Speaker 1: mom turned manager. But even so, Chris is one of
Speaker 1: a kind. She spent her fifties creating a TV empire
Speaker 1: and has directly influenced the way so many of us
Speaker 1: spend our time and money. I'm so grateful she agreed
Speaker 1: to chat with me, and I hope that you all
Speaker 1: enjoy this one as much as I did. Here is
Speaker 1: Chris Jenner. How are you, Chris Jenner?
Speaker 2: I'm really good. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the show. I
Speaker 1: know how busy you are, and personally, I'm so busy
Speaker 1: and to think if just one more thing added in
Speaker 1: your schedule, you know, it's enough to make me go
Speaker 1: a little loopy. So I want to just thank you
Speaker 1: very very much. And if I were to introduce you,
Speaker 1: you don't need any introduction, but if you had to
Speaker 1: introduce yourself, forgive yourself three titles, Uh what would those
Speaker 1: titles be?
Speaker 2: Mom? Entrepreneur, manager, producer, and exhausted. Throw that in there
Speaker 2: for good luck.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say mom first. I
Speaker 1: really did think you were going to say mom first,
Speaker 1: because it's the primary, primal relationship and you have multiples
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: I do, I do, and I think mom is what
Speaker 2: I wanted to be since I was a teenager. I
Speaker 2: just thought, what does my future look like as one
Speaker 2: does when they're sixteen, and I thought I want to
Speaker 2: be a mom. You know, I guess it was in
Speaker 2: the late sixties or early seventies when I started feeling
Speaker 2: that and thought, I just want to be a mommy.
Speaker 2: That sounds really great to me, what a great job.
Speaker 1: I answered that question to like Johnny Carson. I think
Speaker 1: it was like in the early second.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, what did you say?
Speaker 1: I said, Mom? He said, what would you what do
Speaker 1: you want to do if you don't act? And what
Speaker 1: you know if this were all all to finish tomorrow?
Speaker 1: And I was thirteen, and I just said, I want
Speaker 1: to be a mom. Yeah, it's all I ever knew
Speaker 1: for sure that I wanted in my life right same.
Speaker 2: And you know what's weird is I always knew I
Speaker 2: was going to have six kids, really, and when I
Speaker 2: ended up getting divorced after four, I thought, wait a second,
Speaker 2: I was so wrong. And then I went on to
Speaker 2: have two more and I went, now, bingo, I got it.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, well I was six the number.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just thought I'm going to have
Speaker 2: six kids. I think part of it was I had
Speaker 2: my mom raised us, my sister and I, and so
Speaker 2: there was two of us, and I always wanted there
Speaker 2: to be like twelve of us. I don't know why
Speaker 2: I wanted a big, loud, noisy, chaotic family.
Speaker 1: You got it, that's what sounded.
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, I achieved that.
Speaker 1: What does your mom do for a living?
Speaker 2: Well, my mom always worked. When I was very very young,
Speaker 2: she worked at a golf course. She worked in the
Speaker 2: pro shop, and she was a pro, one of the
Speaker 2: golf pros at the golf course, which was so like
Speaker 2: interesting because it was such a male dominated sport in
Speaker 2: my mind. And so then she opened a candle store
Speaker 2: and a children's clothing store and a women's clothing store,
Speaker 2: all in different times throughout me growing up. And that
Speaker 2: was my first job was working in My grandmother had
Speaker 2: a candle store also and that was one of my
Speaker 2: first jobs was working at my grandmother's candle store when
Speaker 2: I was like ten.
Speaker 1: So that that's a Those are females as images and
Speaker 1: as examples of what it is to be an entrepreneur,
Speaker 1: probably before women were really even thought right to be
Speaker 1: invited to do such a thing, I know.
Speaker 2: I know, they were always working, always focused on, you know,
Speaker 2: what the next day was going to be and what
Speaker 2: they were going to accomplish. And those are the conversations
Speaker 2: that I grew up on and when I was a
Speaker 2: young girl, you know, all my friends were going to
Speaker 2: the beach during the summer because we lived in San
Speaker 2: Diego and Ma Joya and so my friends were learning
Speaker 2: how to surf, and I was learning how to gift
Speaker 2: wrap in the bathroom at my grandmother's store, and then
Speaker 2: I could go to the beach, you know, after a
Speaker 2: few hours of working. But I loved every second of it.
Speaker 1: And what were you like as a little girl?
Speaker 2: Bossy? I think I was probably bossy And I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, when you're young and you have, I think,
Speaker 2: an outgoing personality, and so I tried to learn as
Speaker 2: much as I could about what adults were doing. Because
Speaker 2: I was wanting to be older than I was. I
Speaker 2: wanted to be able to drive. I couldn't wait till
Speaker 2: I was sixteen, you know, you always want the next milestone,
Speaker 2: at least I did. I liked hanging around, I think
Speaker 2: older people. I think I loved being with my mom
Speaker 2: and her friends and are going to, you know, a
Speaker 2: certain party with my mom if there was a Christmas
Speaker 2: party or something, I thought that was really fun. And
Speaker 2: I had a lot of friends. But I really loved
Speaker 2: being around older people.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting to me, especially giving your trajectory in life, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's clear that you are in many ways
Speaker 1: the brains behind your family's success. But what I find
Speaker 1: fascinating is that yourself taught. Yeah, and you didn't go
Speaker 1: to business school. Correct.
Speaker 2: I did not go to business school. I did not
Speaker 2: go to college. I graduated from high school and I
Speaker 2: became a stewardess slight attendant. They started calling us a
Speaker 2: flight attendant on American airlines. And I loved my job.
Speaker 2: And I did that for I think just under two years.
Speaker 2: And I got married and I got pregnant on my honeymoon.
Speaker 2: You know, the Armenian ladies were counting the day, so
Speaker 2: I knew it was my honeymoon because they were you
Speaker 2: know what. So yeah, it was. It was a dream.
Speaker 2: It was like I was. I was so excited to
Speaker 2: be able to think that I was going to become
Speaker 2: a mom when I was really young.
Speaker 1: You talk about the people that you were surrounded by
Speaker 1: during that marriage and that and that part of your life.
Speaker 1: Do you think they recognized your business savvy?
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if they recognized my business savvy,
Speaker 2: but I certainly almost accidentally recognized theirs. I found it
Speaker 2: fascinating to sit in a room with Irving as Off,
Speaker 2: for example, when he was perhaps having a meeting with
Speaker 2: for other people that was just finishing up before we
Speaker 2: were there for dinner or something like that. And there
Speaker 2: was always something going on no matter where I was.
Speaker 2: And I was exposed to so much at that time
Speaker 2: and during those early years, especially in the music business,
Speaker 2: because everybody that I was surrounded by seemed to be
Speaker 2: in you know, the production business. It was Tony Thamopolis,
Speaker 2: it was Terry Simmle, it was Irving as Off, it
Speaker 2: was I mean, I could go on and on out.
Speaker 2: It was all these people that ran studios and ran
Speaker 2: music businesses and companies and MCA and Universal, and it
Speaker 2: just went on and on. And those were the people
Speaker 2: that were our friends.
Speaker 1: And what did you see like when you saw that,
Speaker 1: what was exciting to you about what you were witnessing?
Speaker 2: I think I had a front row seat to the
Speaker 2: most exclusive lesson in how some of those conversations were happening,
Speaker 2: what they were talking about, what went on behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: you know, things like that was very interesting. And I
Speaker 2: really didn't focus or wasn't aware of the fact that
Speaker 2: these things that I was witnessing or hearing, or you know,
Speaker 2: the world that I was living in would somehow be
Speaker 2: part of my education later in life.
Speaker 1: Did it inspire you to create your own line, your
Speaker 1: own business.
Speaker 2: I don't think at the time that I was inspired
Speaker 2: in general and life like I thought, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: to be able to be in this position and running
Speaker 2: these huge companies and to be doing things that are
Speaker 2: so exciting, you know, I thought, this is how I
Speaker 2: was love to have a life like this. One day.
Speaker 2: I don't think I thought it out loud. I think
Speaker 2: it was in my dream space, in my head. And
Speaker 2: I had a very dear friend, Kathie Lee Gifford, one
Speaker 2: of my dearest friends in life and who's actually Kindle
Speaker 2: and Kylie's godmother. And I watched her in her success
Speaker 2: and she had her talk show for fifteen years on ABC,
Speaker 2: and I was just remarkable what she did and what
Speaker 2: she accomplished, and you know, kind of living that with her,
Speaker 2: you know, taught me a little bit about TV. And
Speaker 2: every single person that I came across and was friends
Speaker 2: with and had relationships in my life gave me a
Speaker 2: little piece of of what it was like to be
Speaker 2: in the industry that we're in today, and I think
Speaker 2: served me well because it was almost like an I
Speaker 2: learned through osmosis of just being there.
Speaker 1: Going back to that time after your first marriage ended,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you didn't ever imagine you would get divorced.
Speaker 1: None of us do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't set yourself up for that.
Speaker 1: But what's interesting to me and relatable to so many women,
Speaker 1: is that at that time in your life, you were
Speaker 1: really ignorant about your own finances.
Speaker 2: I was. I was, I had no idea. So when
Speaker 2: I was married, and it was nineteen seventy eight, I
Speaker 2: had been dating Robert for four years and we were
Speaker 2: getting married, and in the seventies, I don't know, it
Speaker 2: was a different time. It's a different world. I felt
Speaker 2: like I had so much respect for my husband and
Speaker 2: was so grateful and felt so blessed that I had
Speaker 2: this man who was an attorney and really smart, really
Speaker 2: great with me, really great with you know, advice, really great.
Speaker 2: It was just terrific, and I thought, I am living
Speaker 2: the greatest life right now, you know, and I don't
Speaker 2: have to really worry about We didn't sit down and
Speaker 2: you know, have a discussion about paying the bills. You know,
Speaker 2: I knew I was living in this amazing, beautiful home,
Speaker 2: but I didn't sit down and say, Okay, how much
Speaker 2: is the gardener?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And I remember when I got divorced, my girlfriend, Shelley
Speaker 2: said to me, Okay, let's think about your budget, like
Speaker 2: what you know, this is what you're you've got to
Speaker 2: work with, and let's talk about the bills that need
Speaker 2: to be paid and that'll determine really about whether you're
Speaker 2: going to be able to stay in this house. And
Speaker 2: you know, we had to figure it out, and we
Speaker 2: had a pen and paper. How much is the gardener?
Speaker 2: I just looked at her with this blank I don't
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, you know. So anyway, that was a
Speaker 2: big awakening for me because I realized not only listen,
Speaker 2: I realized a few things. I realized that I didn't
Speaker 2: appreciate the life that I was living as much as
Speaker 2: I should because I always lead with gratitude and love.
Speaker 2: I really do, and I'm so grateful every single day
Speaker 2: I get up and I thank God for every single
Speaker 2: thing that I have, for my breakfast, to you know,
Speaker 2: the whole thing. And I remember thinking, oh, I should
Speaker 2: have been more. I didn't realize that some of these
Speaker 2: expenses were bigger than life. And you know, I learned
Speaker 2: lots of lessons that year.
Speaker 1: Was it a struggle emotionally?
Speaker 2: I think it was. It was I was very scared.
Speaker 2: I thought, how am I going to do this? I
Speaker 2: have four kids, But I'm going to figure it out
Speaker 2: and I'm going to throw my sleeves up and I'm
Speaker 2: going to go to work and I'm going to make
Speaker 2: it happen for my kids. And that was my inspiration.
Speaker 2: I had seen my mom do it, I had seen
Speaker 2: my grandmother do it. I had lots of role models,
Speaker 2: and my mom and I talked about it and she
Speaker 2: helped me just I mean motivated me emotionally, you know,
Speaker 2: from the pure like you can do this. This is
Speaker 2: going to be hard, but it's going to be okay.
Speaker 1: Well I call this show now What because it's about
Speaker 1: those moments where you find yourself in an unprecedented situation,
Speaker 1: one that you just you neither anticipated nor ever prepared for.
Speaker 2: I didn't have a plan. I certainly didn't have a plan.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was going to be okay. You know,
Speaker 2: I was very naive in those days about how I
Speaker 2: was going to make it happen, but thank god I
Speaker 2: figured it out.
Speaker 1: That to me seems like a huge now what moment? Yeah,
Speaker 1: are there any other now what moments that come to
Speaker 1: mind that you can look back at and feel.
Speaker 2: Shaped you, oh dear, without crying.
Speaker 1: This is not an intended I just know.
Speaker 2: I mean some really, I mean, you know, you never
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen in your life. And I've
Speaker 2: had so many crazy things happen, and without getting into
Speaker 2: it on Monday morning, I think one of the biggest
Speaker 2: things that happened was when my girlfriend Nicole died, you know,
Speaker 2: she was Nicole Simpson, and that was that was talk
Speaker 2: about now what you know that that was I didn't
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't intend to talk about that this morning,
Speaker 2: but that would be a huge fork in the road
Speaker 2: in my life about life and love and tragedy and
Speaker 2: all of that. So and then I think that and
Speaker 2: now what moment? As I get older, I think I
Speaker 2: look back and think about, you know, the people that
Speaker 2: you lose along the way. That's always really hard for me,
Speaker 2: you know, really hard. And I think the older I get,
Speaker 2: I think about it more like I look at my kids,
Speaker 2: and some of my kids are now in their forties,
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, when I was in my forties.
Speaker 2: I had Kendall when I was forty, and I had
Speaker 2: Kylie when I was forty one, and I think for
Speaker 2: like ten years after that, I mean, you're raising kids
Speaker 2: and you're feeding and babies and grade school, and you're
Speaker 2: still in that mommy mode, which was such a blessing
Speaker 2: for me. I was so thrilled to be doing that
Speaker 2: all over again.
Speaker 1: How do you teach them about loss? How do you
Speaker 1: grapple with that?
Speaker 2: Well, you discover yourself more and more, but as you
Speaker 2: get older, so you don't really you deal with it
Speaker 2: at the time, and then you keep dealing with it
Speaker 2: with each chapter of your life. I think with every
Speaker 2: decade that I get older, I look at losing people
Speaker 2: a lot differently than I did when I was Back
Speaker 2: when I was forty, you know, and you just think
Speaker 2: you're going to live forever, and you think your group
Speaker 2: is going to live forever, and everyone's going to be,
Speaker 2: you know, around always, and then you know, it kind
Speaker 2: of starts with grandparents and you know, unfortunately some friends
Speaker 2: when they're younger. But what I understand now, it affects
Speaker 2: me more now. I think the what now. Moments that
Speaker 2: are the most profound for me are life changing things
Speaker 2: like divorce, meeting someone unexpected and new, or I think
Speaker 2: losing someone you know or the most to me, the
Speaker 2: most you know, or having a child. You know. I
Speaker 2: remember having Courtney like it was yesterday, and that was
Speaker 2: forty three years ago. It's insane, but that much time
Speaker 2: has gone by, and I can tell you what I
Speaker 2: was wearing, you know, what I put her in, and
Speaker 2: the day that we came home from the hospital with
Speaker 2: no instructions, just here you go. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 2: feel like I have and now what moment?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Daily? But but real true, you know, moments like that
Speaker 2: have come, and it's really about how you react.
Speaker 1: I was an only child with my mother, and she
Speaker 1: managed my entire career. And it's funny because Sharon Osborne
Speaker 1: always referred to my mom as like the og mommage
Speaker 1: of her right, you're smart enough to trademarket. My mom
Speaker 1: did not trademarket. But there's such a fine line, and
Speaker 1: this is something we never discussed and we didn't end
Speaker 1: up with a success story. She was not savvy about business,
Speaker 1: and there's so much in it that I remember as
Speaker 1: being positive with having someone who loved me so much
Speaker 1: be the one who was on the front lines for me.
Speaker 1: But there is a fine line between being a savvy,
Speaker 1: savvy business person and being a mom who wants to
Speaker 1: protect her children. How do you walk that line?
Speaker 2: Right? Well, I'm first and foremost always mom, And you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes I can get lost in the business and making
Speaker 2: decisions and trying to get through the to do list
Speaker 2: for the day and the meetings and the zooms and
Speaker 2: you know, the craziness of all of it. But at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, that's where I'm happiest. And
Speaker 2: not to say that your mom wouldn't have been happiest there,
Speaker 2: but I think when you are trying to do something
Speaker 2: that you feel is the best thing for your kids,
Speaker 2: especially in business, and I am a bit impulsive sometimes too,
Speaker 2: probably like your mom was a little bit, But I
Speaker 2: definitely feel like mom is always my first responsibility and
Speaker 2: the place where my heart is. And I think that
Speaker 2: as their mom and their manager and the person who's
Speaker 2: helping them to run businesses, I think that I just
Speaker 2: want the best for them. That's all I want is
Speaker 2: helping them. And I think I've learned by the way
Speaker 2: I can't do it all. And I've had them tell
Speaker 2: me that a million times that I, you know, you're
Speaker 2: trying to do it all. But I think that what
Speaker 2: I have learned along the way is really guiding them
Speaker 2: and helping them to help build the right teams around
Speaker 2: each thing that we do so that we do have
Speaker 2: a support system.
Speaker 1: That to me is a huge, huge piece, because my
Speaker 1: mother would not let anybody come in. And you know,
Speaker 1: there were people who were very prominent, very brilliant agents
Speaker 1: who wanted me as a client, but they wanted her
Speaker 1: out of the way. Yeah, and that was never going
Speaker 1: to happen. And had she had the wherewithal to be
Speaker 1: okay with knowing that she couldn't do it all, you know,
Speaker 1: I think our lives together would have looked a little
Speaker 1: a little bit different. She's always gotten so much flack
Speaker 1: for being my manager, and I will defend her to
Speaker 1: the day I die. I also acknowledge the mistakes and
Speaker 1: acknowledge missteps that I believe she thought she was doing
Speaker 1: the right thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's also intimidating, and it's hard when other
Speaker 2: people may tell you that you're not doing it exactly
Speaker 2: the way that it should be done. Or you know,
Speaker 2: and it can be very threatening.
Speaker 1: How do you respond to that? How do you respond
Speaker 1: because everyde has so much to say. I know it
Speaker 1: makes me nuts, and they're all officionados in your life.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of noise.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of noise.
Speaker 2: So you just have to learn how to take the
Speaker 2: advice that you do take from people or people that
Speaker 2: you respect and love and trust and the people that
Speaker 2: are you know, chiming in. I like to listen to
Speaker 2: some of it, just to hear what others might be saying.
Speaker 2: But I told my kids from the very beginning, stay
Speaker 2: off the internet. You know, in those in the chat rooms.
Speaker 1: I don't think they listen to you.
Speaker 2: They didn't, they didn't. But you know when I say that,
Speaker 2: I mean, don't listen to the ugly comments and that
Speaker 2: it's only going to stress you out. Because I knew
Speaker 2: that for myself, I could hear a thousand people tell
Speaker 2: me beautiful things and one person when yeah, I would
Speaker 2: say something really horrible and it would break my soul,
Speaker 2: like what, you don't know me, you don't even know me,
Speaker 2: how can you you know? So it was, you know,
Speaker 2: it took really developing some thick skin just so you
Speaker 2: can salvage your mental health, you know, learn how to
Speaker 2: deal with And it's still hard. I mean, nobody wants
Speaker 2: to hear something crazy and rude and it you know,
Speaker 2: it can really hurt your feelings. I'm still human, but
Speaker 2: I really try to. We're so busy. That's the good news.
Speaker 2: That's the flip side is we're so busy every single
Speaker 2: hour of every single day. If it's not work, it's kids.
Speaker 2: And if it's not kids, it's grandkids and you know,
Speaker 2: and their friends and travel.
Speaker 1: You get downtime, like do you ever just wish you
Speaker 1: could just turn all the volume down? Like do you
Speaker 1: get some of that?
Speaker 2: I do? I do? I do during the summer. So
Speaker 2: I just came back the night before last from a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks away. That was really I really needed it,
Speaker 2: and I it's such a blessing, it's such a you know,
Speaker 2: I really don't take it for granted. So I try
Speaker 2: to cherish every single day and then come back with
Speaker 2: you know, you feel like, Okay, I'm roll up my sleeves,
Speaker 2: I'm back.
Speaker 1: I have to ask a totally totally personal question. My
Speaker 1: daughter wants to be a model, and it terrifies me.
Speaker 1: You know, my daughter looks at your daughter, Kendall, and
Speaker 1: it's just I mean, she's never been more excited than
Speaker 1: for me to talk to anybody except you. Do you
Speaker 1: have any advice for me? It's such a different world
Speaker 1: now than when I was modeling.
Speaker 2: You know, here's the thing. When Kendall started telling us
Speaker 2: about her desire to be a model, Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: real scary, believe it or not, because you just don't
Speaker 2: know as a parent which direction that you want your
Speaker 2: child to go in. And by the way, you're not
Speaker 2: always going to have that control and be able to
Speaker 2: make those decisions over again, so you don't want to
Speaker 2: make the wrong one. So we had Kendall actually do
Speaker 2: a complete presentation for us as a family, and she
Speaker 2: had to give us all the reasons why and give
Speaker 2: us a look book, and like what does this look
Speaker 2: like for you? And why would you want to do this?
Speaker 2: You know, she had to really off on why she
Speaker 2: wanted to do this at this stage in her life
Speaker 2: and what, you know, why it made sense to her.
Speaker 2: You know, what were those passions about? Because you know,
Speaker 2: everything we did with Kendall was very very specifically thought about.
Speaker 2: I didn't know enough about the modeling world, like, you're
Speaker 2: so savvy with that world. And I saw your documentary
Speaker 2: and to me, what you went through as a young girl,
Speaker 2: I mean, wow, you know, your story is so amazing.
Speaker 2: I really loved your documentary, by the way, and I
Speaker 2: love the way you told your story. You were so
Speaker 2: honest and raw about it, and it was something that
Speaker 2: I think everybody should see. That's a parent, by the way.
Speaker 2: I think that not only your story is remarkable, but
Speaker 2: the way that you know you went through your childhood.
Speaker 2: So I wish I would have seen it earlier too,
Speaker 2: you know, to help me make some decisions. But I
Speaker 2: think that I was really happy about the way that
Speaker 2: Kendall broke into the business because we did it very slowly,
Speaker 2: smart with I hope, you know, we made the right
Speaker 2: decisions about the people that were, you know, surrounding her.
Speaker 2: We tried to get and go to the best in
Speaker 2: the business and make sure she was guarded and you know,
Speaker 2: taken care of. And she did it slowly and and
Speaker 2: her way. Like when she broke into the business and
Speaker 2: had her first fashion shows, we weren't even allowed to
Speaker 2: be in the room. I mean, I was like, are
Speaker 2: we sitting front row? She was like, you're not even
Speaker 2: going to be there, like, no, I'm doing this on
Speaker 2: my own.
Speaker 1: But it's important to know why they want to do
Speaker 1: it exactly. The good news is and this is not
Speaker 1: you know, I hear from a lot of younger people,
Speaker 1: you know, you hear what do you want to be
Speaker 1: when you grow up? And they say famous? And that's
Speaker 1: not a vocation, that is not a passion, that is
Speaker 1: not a life work, you know. And she has been
Speaker 1: very very serious about why she wants to do it
Speaker 1: and how she wants to do it. I'm going to
Speaker 1: have her do that PowerPoint. You all are wrapping that's
Speaker 1: the third season on Hulu.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're the third season is wrapped and we're actually
Speaker 2: filming season four right now, and season three is on Hulu.
Speaker 1: Do you ever see envisioning it at ending or.
Speaker 2: You know, people used to ask me that question in
Speaker 2: the very beginning and they would say, you know, Kindle
Speaker 2: and Kylie were nine and ten when we first started filming,
Speaker 2: and people would say how long you know. We'd be
Speaker 2: on a press tour and they'd say, how long do
Speaker 2: you see this going on? And I would jokingly say, oh,
Speaker 2: when Kylie gets married, or when Kylie has a baby,
Speaker 2: you know, and now Kylie has two kids, and she's
Speaker 2: twenty five years old, and it's quite something and I
Speaker 2: we love.
Speaker 1: What we do. Are you happy to have that time
Speaker 1: capsule when you can when you look back and it's
Speaker 1: like home movies but on a mega scale.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the best, best, best, best home movie catalog
Speaker 2: in the world. I'm so grateful.
Speaker 1: And I think one of the through lines through it
Speaker 1: is how I mean, notably Kim for but you and
Speaker 1: your children seem to almost constantly not reinvent, but re
Speaker 1: reveal a good way to you get more revealed as
Speaker 1: time goes on and you've you've done it. You became
Speaker 1: a mogul in your fifties. And I just want to
Speaker 1: finish by saying, was there a dream that you felt
Speaker 1: you may have had to give up as a younger
Speaker 1: woman or a mom that you feel now that you
Speaker 1: can pursue?
Speaker 2: You know, I think that No. I think I did
Speaker 2: everything that I wanted to do it exactly the time
Speaker 2: that I was doing it.
Speaker 1: What are you excited about now?
Speaker 2: What am I excited about now? I'm excited about doing
Speaker 2: things that are creative. I love working on my house.
Speaker 2: I love, you know, being with my grandkids. I think
Speaker 2: watching them grow up is really exciting and graduating and
Speaker 2: you know, going from grade school to you know, middle
Speaker 2: school and then to high school. And I'm looking at
Speaker 2: all different ages and sizes of the grandkids and that
Speaker 2: I never thought in a million years that I would
Speaker 2: have twelve grandchildren.
Speaker 1: Oh I love.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of Yeah, it's a lot. It's just delicious.
Speaker 2: So I get excited about them, and I get I'm
Speaker 2: really grateful for the time that we get to do
Speaker 2: the show because we all work together and do projects
Speaker 2: together and create businesses together.
Speaker 1: So well, that's what a mom wants. I mean. The
Speaker 1: heartbreak that I have now is, you know, go to college.
Speaker 1: I only have mine for one more year, and I
Speaker 1: need excuses to have to have them be with me,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And I'll be you know, in a business together.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because all you know, we did a
Speaker 1: photo shoot for Hampton's magazine or something, and I sort
Speaker 1: of grappled like do I want to put my kids
Speaker 1: on the cover, Like do they want that? I don't
Speaker 1: know what it's going to be like, they've been sort
Speaker 1: of so far away from all of it, and that
Speaker 1: was one of the best days of my life. I
Speaker 1: got to sit next to them in here and make
Speaker 1: up for four hours, you know, to look natural by
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I know. But that's the beauty of working
Speaker 2: with your kids is creating these memories and this time
Speaker 2: together that you might not have ordinarily had. But I
Speaker 2: think it's really fun for me because our show is
Speaker 2: like the foundation of what we do, but all the
Speaker 2: things that are the offshoot and you know, the things
Speaker 2: that happen because of it, and the businesses that we
Speaker 2: can create together or not or just talk about it
Speaker 2: or dream about it and do things together. And I
Speaker 2: think that's that's the dream. I mean, that makes me
Speaker 2: so happy.
Speaker 1: That was Chris Jenner. For more from her and her
Speaker 1: fabulous family, check out The Kardashians on Hulu. That's it
Speaker 1: for us today. Talk to you next week.
Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: lead producer and wonderful showrunner is Julia Weaver. Additional research
Speaker 1: and editing by Darby Masters and Abu Zafar. Our executive
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