WEBVTT - What Kris Jenner wants for her next chapter 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:06.120 What do you do when life doesn't go according to 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.760 plan that moment you lose a job, or a loved one, 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:14.080 or even a piece of yourself. I'm Brookshields and this 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:18.759 is now What, a podcast about pivotal moments as told 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.600 by people who lived them. Each week, I sit down 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:23.840 with a guest to talk about the times they were 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:26.920 knocked off course and what they did to move forward. 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:33.080 Some stories are funny, others are gut wrenching, but all 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:38.320 are unapologetically human and remind us that every success and 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:42.800 every setback is accompanied by a choice, and that choice 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:50.680 answers one question, now what? And is there one of 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:52.640 your children that's the most like you? 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.080 I think they all have different sides of me. Chloe 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.000 has my nesting side. Her and I are very much 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.440 alike the way we keep our houses, always trying to 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:06.840 clean something every five minutes. And then Kim is my 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:13.360 entrepreneurial side, and Courtney is my nostalgic side and loves 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.600 family and kids. And Kendall was over yesterday and she 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.280 loves nature, that little side of me that most people 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:25.160 don't know about, and she loves her horrors. Kylie has 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:29.280 this magical quality where she just thinks that, you know, 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.600 she works hard and everything's just going to work out, 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.120 and it does. And I was I think I was 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:38.480 like that. I was always dreaming but able to capture 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.880 that dream and reality. And then my son Rob is 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.600 so funny and so fear and he's a good person 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:49.200 and has a great, sweet spirit. So I could sit 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.600 back and see that personalities and every single one of them, 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.639 and then pray that I'm as good of a person. 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.000 You know, my kids, I'm so proud of them because 0:01:59.000 --> 0:01:59.600 they're so great. 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:06.240 On the side, my guest today is one of the 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.600 most famous moms in the world. Chris Jenner is the 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:15.200 matriarch of the Kardashian Jenner family and a brilliant businesswoman 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:20.280 in her own right. She's savvy, gracious, and quite possibly 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.720 the hardest working woman in show business. As someone who 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.520 personally grew up in the public eye, I can understand 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.240 the world that Chris lives in, and I know a 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.080 thing or two about what it means to have a 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.919 mom turned manager. But even so, Chris is one of 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:40.160 a kind. She spent her fifties creating a TV empire 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.799 and has directly influenced the way so many of us 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.880 spend our time and money. I'm so grateful she agreed 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:49.200 to chat with me, and I hope that you all 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.480 enjoy this one as much as I did. Here is 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:56.880 Chris Jenner. How are you, Chris Jenner? 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.600 I'm really good. Thank you for having me. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:01.840 Thank you so much for coming on the show. I 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:05.560 know how busy you are, and personally, I'm so busy 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.240 and to think if just one more thing added in 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.080 your schedule, you know, it's enough to make me go 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.360 a little loopy. So I want to just thank you 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.960 very very much. And if I were to introduce you, 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.240 you don't need any introduction, but if you had to 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:24.760 introduce yourself, forgive yourself three titles, Uh what would those 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:25.280 titles be? 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:35.680 Mom? Entrepreneur, manager, producer, and exhausted. Throw that in there 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:36.320 for good luck. 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.400 I thought you were going to say mom first. I 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.280 really did think you were going to say mom first, 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:46.800 because it's the primary, primal relationship and you have multiples 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:47.080 of it. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.320 I do, I do, and I think mom is what 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.000 I wanted to be since I was a teenager. I 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.880 just thought, what does my future look like as one 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.960 does when they're sixteen, and I thought I want to 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.000 be a mom. You know, I guess it was in 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.680 the late sixties or early seventies when I started feeling 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.120 that and thought, I just want to be a mommy. 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.680 That sounds really great to me, what a great job. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.440 I answered that question to like Johnny Carson. I think 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.039 it was like in the early second. 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:19.560 Oh wow, what did you say? 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.320 I said, Mom? He said, what would you what do 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.560 you want to do if you don't act? And what 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.240 you know if this were all all to finish tomorrow? 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:32.880 And I was thirteen, and I just said, I want 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.680 to be a mom. Yeah, it's all I ever knew 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.760 for sure that I wanted in my life right same. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:43.360 And you know what's weird is I always knew I 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.640 was going to have six kids, really, and when I 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:51.279 ended up getting divorced after four, I thought, wait a second, 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.680 I was so wrong. And then I went on to 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.760 have two more and I went, now, bingo, I got it. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.080 Wow, yeah, well I was six the number. 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.640 I don't know. I just thought I'm going to have 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.520 six kids. I think part of it was I had 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.599 my mom raised us, my sister and I, and so 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:10.720 there was two of us, and I always wanted there 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.120 to be like twelve of us. I don't know why 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.920 I wanted a big, loud, noisy, chaotic family. 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:18.960 You got it, that's what sounded. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:22.640 I know, yeah, I achieved that. 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.440 What does your mom do for a living? 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:29.160 Well, my mom always worked. When I was very very young, 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.280 she worked at a golf course. She worked in the 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.760 pro shop, and she was a pro, one of the 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.880 golf pros at the golf course, which was so like 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.240 interesting because it was such a male dominated sport in 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:45.000 my mind. And so then she opened a candle store 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:50.000 and a children's clothing store and a women's clothing store, 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.560 all in different times throughout me growing up. And that 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.240 was my first job was working in My grandmother had 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.919 a candle store also and that was one of my 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.640 first jobs was working at my grandmother's candle store when 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:02.760 I was like ten. 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:07.760 So that that's a Those are females as images and 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.440 as examples of what it is to be an entrepreneur, 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.440 probably before women were really even thought right to be 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.920 invited to do such a thing, I know. 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:22.960 I know, they were always working, always focused on, you know, 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:24.720 what the next day was going to be and what 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.160 they were going to accomplish. And those are the conversations 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.400 that I grew up on and when I was a 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.200 young girl, you know, all my friends were going to 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.839 the beach during the summer because we lived in San 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.880 Diego and Ma Joya and so my friends were learning 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.359 how to surf, and I was learning how to gift 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:46.560 wrap in the bathroom at my grandmother's store, and then 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:48.599 I could go to the beach, you know, after a 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.960 few hours of working. But I loved every second of it. 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:53.920 And what were you like as a little girl? 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:59.320 Bossy? I think I was probably bossy And I thought, 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.920 you know, when you're young and you have, I think, 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:08.039 an outgoing personality, and so I tried to learn as 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.559 much as I could about what adults were doing. Because 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.600 I was wanting to be older than I was. I 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.840 wanted to be able to drive. I couldn't wait till 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.480 I was sixteen, you know, you always want the next milestone, 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.520 at least I did. I liked hanging around, I think 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.720 older people. I think I loved being with my mom 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.760 and her friends and are going to, you know, a 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.880 certain party with my mom if there was a Christmas 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:37.000 party or something, I thought that was really fun. And 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.840 I had a lot of friends. But I really loved 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:42.280 being around older people. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.920 That's so interesting to me, especially giving your trajectory in life, right. 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.120 I mean, it's clear that you are in many ways 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:54.559 the brains behind your family's success. But what I find 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:59.000 fascinating is that yourself taught. Yeah, and you didn't go 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.080 to business school. Correct. 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.160 I did not go to business school. I did not 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:08.640 go to college. I graduated from high school and I 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:12.960 became a stewardess slight attendant. They started calling us a 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:17.880 flight attendant on American airlines. And I loved my job. 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.280 And I did that for I think just under two years. 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:25.480 And I got married and I got pregnant on my honeymoon. 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.480 You know, the Armenian ladies were counting the day, so 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.280 I knew it was my honeymoon because they were you 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.800 know what. So yeah, it was. It was a dream. 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.880 It was like I was. I was so excited to 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.920 be able to think that I was going to become 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:43.400 a mom when I was really young. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.400 You talk about the people that you were surrounded by 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.960 during that marriage and that and that part of your life. 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.800 Do you think they recognized your business savvy? 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:58.760 You know, I don't know if they recognized my business savvy, 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:04.520 but I certainly almost accidentally recognized theirs. I found it 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:09.200 fascinating to sit in a room with Irving as Off, 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.800 for example, when he was perhaps having a meeting with 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.199 for other people that was just finishing up before we 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.480 were there for dinner or something like that. And there 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.200 was always something going on no matter where I was. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:25.320 And I was exposed to so much at that time 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.240 and during those early years, especially in the music business, 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.600 because everybody that I was surrounded by seemed to be 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.599 in you know, the production business. It was Tony Thamopolis, 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.160 it was Terry Simmle, it was Irving as Off, it 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:41.800 was I mean, I could go on and on out. 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:45.200 It was all these people that ran studios and ran 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:50.760 music businesses and companies and MCA and Universal, and it 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:52.640 just went on and on. And those were the people 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.199 that were our friends. 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.679 And what did you see like when you saw that, 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.920 what was exciting to you about what you were witnessing? 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.679 I think I had a front row seat to the 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:11.320 most exclusive lesson in how some of those conversations were happening, 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.960 what they were talking about, what went on behind the scenes, 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.120 you know, things like that was very interesting. And I 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:23.680 really didn't focus or wasn't aware of the fact that 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.280 these things that I was witnessing or hearing, or you know, 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.040 the world that I was living in would somehow be 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:34.480 part of my education later in life. 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:39.199 Did it inspire you to create your own line, your 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:39.760 own business. 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.040 I don't think at the time that I was inspired 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.880 in general and life like I thought, Oh my goodness, 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.520 to be able to be in this position and running 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:56.079 these huge companies and to be doing things that are 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.720 so exciting, you know, I thought, this is how I 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.920 was love to have a life like this. One day. 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.120 I don't think I thought it out loud. I think 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.400 it was in my dream space, in my head. And 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.839 I had a very dear friend, Kathie Lee Gifford, one 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.840 of my dearest friends in life and who's actually Kindle 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.880 and Kylie's godmother. And I watched her in her success 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:24.360 and she had her talk show for fifteen years on ABC, 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:28.240 and I was just remarkable what she did and what 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.880 she accomplished, and you know, kind of living that with her, 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:34.600 you know, taught me a little bit about TV. And 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.880 every single person that I came across and was friends 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.960 with and had relationships in my life gave me a 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:45.600 little piece of of what it was like to be 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.720 in the industry that we're in today, and I think 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.800 served me well because it was almost like an I 0:11:51.880 --> 0:12:00.840 learned through osmosis of just being there. 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.720 Going back to that time after your first marriage ended, 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:09.560 I'm sure you didn't ever imagine you would get divorced. 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:10.360 None of us do. 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:12.680 Yeah, you don't set yourself up for that. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:17.280 But what's interesting to me and relatable to so many women, 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.560 is that at that time in your life, you were 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:26.000 really ignorant about your own finances. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:30.760 I was. I was, I had no idea. So when 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.600 I was married, and it was nineteen seventy eight, I 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:39.080 had been dating Robert for four years and we were 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:43.360 getting married, and in the seventies, I don't know, it 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.520 was a different time. It's a different world. I felt 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:50.520 like I had so much respect for my husband and 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.440 was so grateful and felt so blessed that I had 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:59.360 this man who was an attorney and really smart, really 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.280 great with me, really great with you know, advice, really great. 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:07.080 It was just terrific, and I thought, I am living 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.680 the greatest life right now, you know, and I don't 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.720 have to really worry about We didn't sit down and 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.560 you know, have a discussion about paying the bills. You know, 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:20.000 I knew I was living in this amazing, beautiful home, 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.400 but I didn't sit down and say, Okay, how much 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:23.120 is the gardener? 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:23.680 Right? 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.600 And I remember when I got divorced, my girlfriend, Shelley 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.600 said to me, Okay, let's think about your budget, like 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.960 what you know, this is what you're you've got to 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.280 work with, and let's talk about the bills that need 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.120 to be paid and that'll determine really about whether you're 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:40.800 going to be able to stay in this house. And 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:42.880 you know, we had to figure it out, and we 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:44.840 had a pen and paper. How much is the gardener? 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.760 I just looked at her with this blank I don't 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:51.560 I'm not sure, you know. So anyway, that was a 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:57.680 big awakening for me because I realized not only listen, 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.160 I realized a few things. I realized that I didn't 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:04.000 appreciate the life that I was living as much as 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:09.040 I should because I always lead with gratitude and love. 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.400 I really do, and I'm so grateful every single day 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:15.040 I get up and I thank God for every single 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.800 thing that I have, for my breakfast, to you know, 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.840 the whole thing. And I remember thinking, oh, I should 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.880 have been more. I didn't realize that some of these 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.760 expenses were bigger than life. And you know, I learned 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:31.600 lots of lessons that year. 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.080 Was it a struggle emotionally? 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.200 I think it was. It was I was very scared. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.080 I thought, how am I going to do this? I 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.600 have four kids, But I'm going to figure it out 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.360 and I'm going to throw my sleeves up and I'm 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.200 going to go to work and I'm going to make 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.040 it happen for my kids. And that was my inspiration. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:51.480 I had seen my mom do it, I had seen 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:56.280 my grandmother do it. I had lots of role models, 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:01.000 and my mom and I talked about it and she 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:05.680 helped me just I mean motivated me emotionally, you know, 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.920 from the pure like you can do this. This is 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.440 going to be hard, but it's going to be okay. 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.040 Well I call this show now What because it's about 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:19.359 those moments where you find yourself in an unprecedented situation, 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:24.560 one that you just you neither anticipated nor ever prepared for. 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.880 I didn't have a plan. I certainly didn't have a plan. 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.880 I just thought it was going to be okay. You know, 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:34.880 I was very naive in those days about how I 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.880 was going to make it happen, but thank god I 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:38.760 figured it out. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.119 That to me seems like a huge now what moment? Yeah, 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:46.000 are there any other now what moments that come to 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.440 mind that you can look back at and feel. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:53.080 Shaped you, oh dear, without crying. 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.760 This is not an intended I just know. 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.800 I mean some really, I mean, you know, you never 0:15:59.880 --> 0:16:01.680 know what's going to happen in your life. And I've 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:06.160 had so many crazy things happen, and without getting into 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.680 it on Monday morning, I think one of the biggest 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:13.320 things that happened was when my girlfriend Nicole died, you know, 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:17.360 she was Nicole Simpson, and that was that was talk 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:21.880 about now what you know that that was I didn't 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.440 I mean, I didn't intend to talk about that this morning, 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:28.280 but that would be a huge fork in the road 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:33.440 in my life about life and love and tragedy and 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:35.880 all of that. So and then I think that and 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.400 now what moment? As I get older, I think I 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.400 look back and think about, you know, the people that 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.280 you lose along the way. That's always really hard for me, 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.640 you know, really hard. And I think the older I get, 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.160 I think about it more like I look at my kids, 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.120 and some of my kids are now in their forties, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.760 and I think, you know, when I was in my forties. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.960 I had Kendall when I was forty, and I had 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.840 Kylie when I was forty one, and I think for 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.760 like ten years after that, I mean, you're raising kids 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.800 and you're feeding and babies and grade school, and you're 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.440 still in that mommy mode, which was such a blessing 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.120 for me. I was so thrilled to be doing that 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:17.040 all over again. 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.879 How do you teach them about loss? How do you 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:21.720 grapple with that? 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:26.080 Well, you discover yourself more and more, but as you 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.280 get older, so you don't really you deal with it 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:33.560 at the time, and then you keep dealing with it 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.440 with each chapter of your life. I think with every 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:40.800 decade that I get older, I look at losing people 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.760 a lot differently than I did when I was Back 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.080 when I was forty, you know, and you just think 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.160 you're going to live forever, and you think your group 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.160 is going to live forever, and everyone's going to be, 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:53.040 you know, around always, and then you know, it kind 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:58.439 of starts with grandparents and you know, unfortunately some friends 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:02.800 when they're younger. But what I understand now, it affects 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:06.359 me more now. I think the what now. Moments that 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.520 are the most profound for me are life changing things 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:17.040 like divorce, meeting someone unexpected and new, or I think 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.000 losing someone you know or the most to me, the 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:24.040 most you know, or having a child. You know. I 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.639 remember having Courtney like it was yesterday, and that was 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:32.400 forty three years ago. It's insane, but that much time 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:34.560 has gone by, and I can tell you what I 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.000 was wearing, you know, what I put her in, and 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.040 the day that we came home from the hospital with 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:44.359 no instructions, just here you go. Yeah, I mean I 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.760 feel like I have and now what moment? 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:47.520 You know? 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:52.640 Daily? But but real true, you know, moments like that 0:18:52.800 --> 0:19:01.879 have come, and it's really about how you react. 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:10.280 I was an only child with my mother, and she 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:16.520 managed my entire career. And it's funny because Sharon Osborne 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:20.800 always referred to my mom as like the og mommage 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.560 of her right, you're smart enough to trademarket. My mom 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:28.840 did not trademarket. But there's such a fine line, and 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.280 this is something we never discussed and we didn't end 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:36.439 up with a success story. She was not savvy about business, 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:40.000 and there's so much in it that I remember as 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.080 being positive with having someone who loved me so much 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.119 be the one who was on the front lines for me. 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.800 But there is a fine line between being a savvy, 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:54.359 savvy business person and being a mom who wants to 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:58.760 protect her children. How do you walk that line? 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:04.479 Right? Well, I'm first and foremost always mom, And you know, 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:09.439 sometimes I can get lost in the business and making 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.240 decisions and trying to get through the to do list 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:14.399 for the day and the meetings and the zooms and 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.000 you know, the craziness of all of it. But at 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:21.600 the end of the day, that's where I'm happiest. And 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.440 not to say that your mom wouldn't have been happiest there, 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:30.160 but I think when you are trying to do something 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.480 that you feel is the best thing for your kids, 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:38.400 especially in business, and I am a bit impulsive sometimes too, 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.760 probably like your mom was a little bit, But I 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:47.199 definitely feel like mom is always my first responsibility and 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.159 the place where my heart is. And I think that 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.879 as their mom and their manager and the person who's 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.280 helping them to run businesses, I think that I just 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.919 want the best for them. That's all I want is 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.080 helping them. And I think I've learned by the way 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.960 I can't do it all. And I've had them tell 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:11.800 me that a million times that I, you know, you're 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:14.080 trying to do it all. But I think that what 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:17.720 I have learned along the way is really guiding them 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:22.640 and helping them to help build the right teams around 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.800 each thing that we do so that we do have 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:26.840 a support system. 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:31.040 That to me is a huge, huge piece, because my 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:36.439 mother would not let anybody come in. And you know, 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:41.400 there were people who were very prominent, very brilliant agents 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:44.639 who wanted me as a client, but they wanted her 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.840 out of the way. Yeah, and that was never going 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:51.679 to happen. And had she had the wherewithal to be 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:55.639 okay with knowing that she couldn't do it all, you know, 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.480 I think our lives together would have looked a little 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.800 a little bit different. She's always gotten so much flack 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:06.000 for being my manager, and I will defend her to 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:10.080 the day I die. I also acknowledge the mistakes and 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:13.960 acknowledge missteps that I believe she thought she was doing 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:14.600 the right thing. 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:20.600 Yeah. Well, it's also intimidating, and it's hard when other 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:24.280 people may tell you that you're not doing it exactly 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:26.560 the way that it should be done. Or you know, 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:28.320 and it can be very threatening. 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.200 How do you respond to that? How do you respond 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:33.600 because everyde has so much to say. I know it 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:37.800 makes me nuts, and they're all officionados in your life. 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:38.920 Well, there's a lot of noise. 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:40.040 There's a lot of noise. 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:44.080 So you just have to learn how to take the 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.320 advice that you do take from people or people that 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:51.919 you respect and love and trust and the people that 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:56.280 are you know, chiming in. I like to listen to 0:22:56.760 --> 0:23:01.320 some of it, just to hear what others might be saying. 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:03.680 But I told my kids from the very beginning, stay 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:07.200 off the internet. You know, in those in the chat rooms. 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:08.639 I don't think they listen to you. 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:13.919 They didn't, they didn't. But you know when I say that, 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.520 I mean, don't listen to the ugly comments and that 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:19.760