WEBVTT - #284 Packers Unscripted: First-round thoughts 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:20.840 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.279 I am Mike Spofford and he is the one and 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.239 only Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from our 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.680 studios at lambeau Field and West. We are inching ever 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.120 closer to the first round of the two thousand eighteen 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.320 NFL Draft. It will be Thursday night, starting at seven 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.680 pm Central Time. So I want to spend a good 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.040 chunk of this show talking about the first round and 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.839 how it might unfold. There are all kinds of scenarios 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:47.880 as far as how this could go for the Green 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:52.400 Bay Packers currently sitting with the number fourteen overall pick. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.600 Do you have a gut feeling as to who might 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:01.240 be available, who the Packers might be choosing from, assuming 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.760 they decided to stay at fourteen for now? Yeah, I 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:05.760 think you do. Uh, this is the first year I 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:09.200 think you can confidently say that the the The contrasting 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.520 part to this, though, Mike, is the fact that out 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.080 of all the years that the Packers we're picking near 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:15.680 the end of the first round, this is probably the 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:17.240 year where you're getting a little bit more bang for 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.720 your buck at the end of the round, depending on 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.080 how many quarterbacks go, depending on if there's a run 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.000 in a certain player. UM not that saying it will 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.479 be picked through by any means at fourteen, but there 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.400 really seems to be The Packers are right on that 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.280 line right now in terms of where I think you're 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.039 truly going to find the elite players. And then when 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.400 you're starting to find guys a little bit based on projection, 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.600 you have the five quarterbacks. I know Mason Rudolph's name 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:40.960 now is getting thrown out there too as a potential 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:42.480 first rounder. I don't know if he ends up in 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:46.520 that vicinity at all. But then you got that next wave, 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:47.960 and in the way I look at it, I think 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:52.160 you have five elite type prospects. As far as the 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:56.560 defense is concerned, it's Bradley Chubb, believe it's Smith from 0:01:56.600 --> 0:02:01.760 Alabama the linebacker, and then the Georgia from Georgia, and 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.640 then the three defensive backs Derwin James mco Fitzpatrick and 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:09.919 Denzel Ward. The Packers would be through the moon if 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.919 Ward was available at fourteen. The only question is, though, 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.760 with him being the top natural cornerback in this spot 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.079 and this being a passing league, whether or not he 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.280 can trickle down that far. Yeah, I would say the 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.760 other guy that I'm hearing. If you're talking about that 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:27.080 the elite defensive prospects, you throw Tremaine Edmunds from Virginia 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.640 Tech into that mix, so that gives you that gives 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:34.680 you six guys there, um two or three linebackers essentially 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.800 in Chubbs, Smith and Edmonds, and then the three defensive 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.040 backs that you mentioned. Really, this whole thing is going 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.600 to be dictated by the quarterbacks. You've got the top 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:48.280 four quarterbacks, Alan, Rosen, Donald, and Mayfield. They could go 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.320 in whatever order. Lamar Jackson being talked about as the 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.880 um as the potential fifth quarterback, Sae Kwon Barkley, Quentin 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:01.079 Nelson running back from Penn State and guard from Notre Dame, respectively, 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.040 also being talked about as as top ten picks, possibly 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:08.600 even top five or six picks. Um, it's where these 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.280 quarterbacks go that are going to that's going to determine 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.600 who will be there for the Packers on that that 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.519 number fourteen line. And I'm gonna throw one other name 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:20.519 into the mix as a as a guy to watch 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:22.840 who could change this holy equation. And I'm talking about 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.840 Mike McGlinchey, the left tackle from Notre Dame. Because this 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.600 is a very Matt There you go, Matt Ryan's cousin. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.600 This is a very thin draft for franchise left tackles, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.160 and McGlinchey, by all accounts, is probably the best one 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.360 on the board. If somebody who needs a left tackle 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.080 is really really enamored with him, that's another guy who 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.360 maybe sneaks up into the top twelve or thirteen picks 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.640 and then pushes another one of those defensive prospects potentially 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.760 down to number fourteen. But you don't really know. You 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:55.960 just don't know how this is gonna go there. There 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.520 are any number of ways. There are any number of 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.320 ways it could go. But I agree with you that 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:04.320 those names you mentioned, particularly the three defensive backs, because 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.040 I don't think Chubb or Smith is going to be 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.760 there at fourteen. I almost write that off, like from 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.760 the beginning, But those three defensive backs, Ward, Fitzpatrick and James, 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.320 if one of those guys is there at number fourteen, 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.360 I think the Packers are going to be pretty happy. Yeah. 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.640 And another thing to bring up to and you mentioned McGlinchey. 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:22.520 This is what you mentioned. It's not a great year 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.520 for a lead offensive tackles. Last year wasn't either, So 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.039 there are gonna be some teams out there that are 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.080 gonna be hungry to try finding them. I think Colton 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.479 Miller falls into that category too. From U c l A. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:33.560 He won't go that high. I think he does go 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.840 in the first round six ft nine six fights from 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.480 U c l A. I think the real I think 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.640 the lynch pin for those first ten picks is what 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.599 the Giants do. Do they go with Barclay or do 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.760 they go with a quarterback. If they take a quarterback, 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.520 that might tempt one of those teams, whether that that 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.400 has a quarterback in place, like like the Chicago Bears, 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.480 you know, maybe like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that they 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.839 were looking at maybe a defensive his Asian to get 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:02.599 them to bite on Barkley if he happens to fall 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.279 that far. Because I have to think that Denver Broncos, 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.920 even though they let C. J. Anderson go, they still 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.320 got to be thinking about quarterback to they're trying to 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.560 find their next guy. So the Giants are the interesting one. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.239 And Okay, so if the Giants do take the quarterback, 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.239 then Barkley is probably not making it past number four 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.960 with the Browns. But if they take Barkley, well, your 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:24.680 hair is on the line with this one in terms 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.720 of I doubt that the Browns are going to take 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.839 another quarterbacks. So then what position does John Dorsey take? 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.440 This is the big question. And then if you want 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.440 to make it just a little bit more confusing, Mike, 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.800 those phones are constantly. There's teams looking to move up. 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.240 There's teams that are, you know, kind of mortgaging their 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.039 future to get the guy that they feel is going 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.200 to help them right starting this day one. Yeah, and 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.880 for those wondering about the hair comment, to clarify for people, 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.039 you mentioned in our Insider Inbox column that if John Dorsey, 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.560 as GM of the Browns takes quarterbacks with both the 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.720 first and the fourth pick, that you would shave my head. 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.520 I was not involved in this decision whatsoever, but you 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:05.800 threw it out there. So now I think the Insider 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.400 Inbox community is going to hold you to it. Oh. Absolutely. 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.360 And I wouldn't put my own hair on this, Mike. 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.000 Look at that some luscious locks that you have going 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.440 on there. If I shape my head it might not 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.360 grow bad. I'm just holding onto whatever I have left 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.279 I would be foolish to put my own hair on 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.760 the line, but I did want to understate the fact 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.160 that it would be tempting, especially in this environment, to 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.880 take two quarterbacks. But you got to remember the position 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.279 you'd be putting those young men in. They want to 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.440 say that they're the franchise you want to rally around 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.800 your guy. How do you rally around a guy when 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.560 you have two of them standing around and they both well, 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.480 and how do and how do you develop two at 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.320 once when you're trying to figure out who the franchise 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.640 guy is. I I you gotta pick one and go 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.560 for it. But Dorsey holding that first and fourth pick, 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:50.800 he's he's also the turnkey guy in this draft. In 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.280 some respect, it's very important because he could trade it. 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.760 He could take a really good football player at that spot. Um, 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:58.400 if you look at it too, they have a lot 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.279 of good guards. They're already they have that side of 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.359 the line kind of fortified, so you wonder if they 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.040 would sap up one of those defensive players. So it's 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:07.840 just it's a lot of question marks, and it's all 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.920 based on what really, to me, the Giants end up 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.320 doing at number two. Yeah, and you mentioned some trade scenarios, 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.280 and I want to talk about those after the Breakback 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:34.920 with Moron Packers Unscripted, right after this Welcome Back to 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.200 Packers unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair, West hodku WIT's 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.080 in that one, okay, West. So if the Packers decide 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:46.400 to trade out of the fourteen spot, do you see them? 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.200 Do you see Brian goudacunt is going up or back? 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.800 I want to go up. They find the Packers. And 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.240 the reason I've said this so long, Mike, it's it's 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.200 probably going to be a broken record at this point, 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.320 but this is an opportunity. I've said it since the 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.600 very end of the season when we knew the Grim 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.680 Bay Packers were going to be picking. This is your 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.760 chance to go and find a guy that on every 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:10.600 single board, unequivocally, the guy has a first round grade 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.960 for the most part. I want to get one of 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.160 those players. And if you feel if and you don't 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.880 want to get married to guys, obviously Brian Goodquin's talk 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.760 this week, you have to be able to to find 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.680 the right balance that that you're not just going out 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.040 of your mind to get a guy that you think 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:30.480 is just the greatest thing since sliced bread, there has 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.920 to be value taken into account. But I just feel, 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.600 especially with those twelve picks, you have that third rounder 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.199 that could be used to move up three or four 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:43.080 spots if you need to. I, if it's me personally, 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:45.560 I would trade up. And that's when you when you 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.559 talk about the value being there, that's all part of 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:52.160 the equation. When we're talking about these quarterbacks, that these four, 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.480 possibly five quarterbacks that could go in the top ten 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.800 or twelve picks, that's pushing down you know, best player 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:02.280 available types areos guys that you know, if you take 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.480 the quarterbacks out of the mix, our top five, top six, 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.120 top seven picks in this draft, but they're gonna drop 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:11.920 down into that ten, eleven, twelve range. And when you 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:16.640 say opportunity, the packers normally have been picking at you know, 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.600 thirty some years. The cost of moving from thirty up 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:26.440 to ten, for example, is way bigger than moving from 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.280 fourteen up to ten if you've got that guy in 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.640 your sites that you want to get. So when I 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:35.560 hear you say opportunity, that's what I'm understanding. You're saying, yeah, absolutely, 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.160 and and hey, I'm not going to discount anything we 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:39.760 don't know what it's like in that draft room. If 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:41.600 there's one of these teams with two first round picks, 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.319 or somebody overwhelms you, and then the draft value chart 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.680 just tells you you're getting a bargain. Okay, you play 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.240 that game. But my thought is is that it's just 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:55.959 you have whether it's somebody's gonna fall like somebody will unequivocally. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.080 So you're gonna get one of the top defensive backs, 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:00.760 You're gonna get one of the top pass structures, You're 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:02.840 gonna get one of the top prospects in this draft 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.800 with over a thousand players will be entering the league here, 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.520 you're gonna get one one of the top one percent 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.480 of that. And I just I really think and when 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.920 you you you want to have swings at the plate. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.160 You want to be able to get as much value 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.720 as you can. But to me, I just look at 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.280 that number fourteen spot is a huge asset and that 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.720 it gives you the power to potentially move up and 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.520 not have to you know, trade future picks, but it 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.680 also gives you the option that depending on what happens 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.280 at the cornerback position, if quarterbacks don't end up going 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.200 in the first ten, and maybe there isn't a guy 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:36.960 there that you like, and somebody wants to come up 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.520 and get one of those quarterbacks that fell another option 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:41.920 on the table as well. Yeah, okay, so let me 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.440 throw this out at you. Go back to two thousand 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.640 and nine. We've said it many times. The last time 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.319 the Packers had a pick in the upper half of 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.440 the first round was two thousand nine when they were 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.000 sitting at number nine and selected b J. Rogie. And 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.240 that was also the year then that Ted Thompson used 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:01.080 second and third round picks to move back into the 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.600 tail end of the first round to select Clay Matthews 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.400 and have two first round picks in one year. Do 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.080 you see that as a possible scenario this year or 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.079 do the Packers maybe not quite have the draft capital 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:14.880 to do it. I really appreciate that you brought this 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.000 question up, because it's a great point you make, because 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.120 the same thing we talked about with moving up from 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.040 thirty to ten, the same holds true in the second round. 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.079 The Packers had those extra picks and had the value 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.040 there to move back into the first round to take 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.559 Clay Matthews, because they just ended up taking b J. 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.760 Raji at number nine. They didn't trade anything to move 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.560 up from that spot, So the same principles are in 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.600 line there. For that reason, if the Packers do sit 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.920 at fourteen, I think that's entirely in play that if 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:42.439 there's a guy that they feel is there at the 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.160 end of the first round that can be a difference 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:48.080 maker that they can potentially move up and get that player. 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:50.720 It all depends on what the prices to play that 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.000 hand though. But you look at two thousand nine, Mic, 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.880 and you can't always replicate history, but you and I 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.800 both know that without b J. Raji and with play Matthews, 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.280 that defense doesn't become what it was in two thousand 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.079 nine and two thousand ten. They don't get to the 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.319 super Bowl. They don't have that instant renovation underneath Dom 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.120 Capers if those two players aren't there. Caper said, right 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.800 from the beginning, you needed the defensive tackle, especially in 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.600 that day and age when they're playing that much space, 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.160 and you needed the pass rusher, and it ended up 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.520 coming up spades for them. Yeah. Well, all the way 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.280 all of these different things could play out. We'll talk 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.960 about this more later, but very quickly, your gut feeling 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.240 as of right now, do the Packers sit at fourteen? 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:32.400 Do they trade up or do they trade down? To me, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.240 I still have this hunch that they're going to trade 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:38.000 up and then no, no, basis all speculation, And when 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:39.800 you look at my draft board, it's just all Caddy 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.800 wombus at this point. I mean, I got I got 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.040 nothing in terms of where all these guys are gonna 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.560 turn out. But I just I think this is a 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.440 chance to make a statement. And I just feel, depending 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.839 on how that board is moving at number seven or eight, 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.679 that if you think the value is there to go 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.560 get a playmaker, I think you take your shot. All right, 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.600 I'm gonna say that they probably just stay at fourteen, 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.160 But we're going to talk about that more on our 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.760 next show. The next thing I want to get to though, is, uh, 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:07.960 there's more to this draft than just the first round. 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.679 So let's get to that after the breakback with more 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:31.400 on Packers Unscripted. Right after this, Welcome back to Packers Unscripted, 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:35.360 Mike Spofford alongside West Hodko. It's okay, West, let's step 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.800 out of the first round for a minute here and 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.319 take a look at, you know, kind of these middle 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:44.120 rounds which is where you know the real drafters, the 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.480 top gm s make hey and make their reputation. Is 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.160 is with these middle round picks. Are there some guys 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.200 and I don't care what position you want to address, 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.440 but are there some guys in the middle rounds that 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:57.959 that you kind of had your eye on that maybe 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.720 you think could be a good fit for the Packers 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.160 that we might see the Packers take on Day two 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.520 or even early on Day three of this draft as 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.080 far as fit, and I don't know how high offensive 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:10.720 line is going to be on their list of needs, 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.760 but Austin Corbett from Nevada is just the guy I've 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.199 really had my eye on because he fits that prototype 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.160 that they've looked for on the offensive line for the 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.520 last decade and that he was a really successful college 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.360 tackle at a mid you know, a mid level tier. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.960 I mean, Nevada is not considered like a big FBS power, 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:30.960 but he's going to transition to being an interior linement 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.480 in the NFL six four, three oh five. I don't 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.080 know about you, they've had a lot of success with 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.160 that body type in the interior of the offensive line. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:39.800 I think that that's a guy that gives you some 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.040 flexibility depending on where you have to use him. I 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:43.880 think he's probably gonna end up being a day to pick, 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.480 and he might be a little too high for forty five, 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.520 So I don't really know if it's gonna equate. But 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.600 in terms of just looking at a guy that screams 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.040 a packer person to meet, Corbett's one of the going 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:55.440 through this whole process is but one of the guys 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.240 I've ever been following. All Right, well, I'm gonna take 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.320 you to the state of Oklahoma first, let's do it 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.560 to keep your on and and I'll bring up these 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.360 guys partly because I did prospect primers on them for 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.520 our website. So then you do a little research on 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.920 these guys and you start to think, uh, yeah, I 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.160 could see these guys, you know, fitting maybe maybe the 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.440 packers are gonna like this guy. And they're both past catchers. 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:18.640 University of Oklahoma tight end Mark Andrews strikes me as 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.760 kind of like another Jimmy Graham. Not as fast, not 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.960 quite as fast anyway, but kind of like another Jimmy Graham, 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.320 just in terms of tall guy, tough matchup, big catching radius, 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:33.320 you can throw the ball all sorts of places, um 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.120 and uh. Um, a guy who's gonna need some time 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.480 to develop, which is why I don't think he's necessarily 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.080 going to be a first or a second round pick. 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.640 He's gonna be he's gonna be taken later in the draft. 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.920 And the other guy that strikes me also from the 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.600 state of Oklahoma. This is Oklahoma State, and I'm talking 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.800 about wide receiver James Washington. I think this guy is 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.120 a mid round type of pick, and he strikes me 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:57.040 as another James Jones, but with a little more speed, 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.600 a little bit more of a deep threat than perhaps 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.400 James Jones was in his very productive career here for 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.760 the Packers. So those are two guys if you want 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.440 to check out the prospect primers on the website. Um, 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.000 I did a little research on those guys. Just guys 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.000 that intrigued me because I think the Packers are going 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:15.280 to restock the past catchers at both wide receiver and 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.120 tight end in this draft. I'm keeping my eye on 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:18.600 those two. Yeah. And then one of the guy to 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.920 throw up, although now he's he's kind of like been um, 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.080 like Vander Esh one of these outside backers that's sort 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.000 of been climbing up boards with Sam Hubbard from Ohio 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.960 State outside linebacker, defensive end, edge rusher. I was originally 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:32.640 thinking he would end up being a mid round guy, 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:34.360 but then I saw I think it was ESPN did 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.760 their mock draft with their beat writers, and Hubbard ended 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.640 up going in the first round. I think there's some 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.720 questions about his upside and just how far his ceiling goes. 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.280 But he he looks the part of a really successful 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:49.240 outside backer six three over six three, um and you 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.920 know about that two sixty pound range, very successful at 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.160 Ohio State. I was another guy kept an eye on 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.280 and then just I mean for my own purposes, just 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.120 trying to keep an eye on it. I mean, Shack 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.600 Griffin is going to be a guy. I think everyone's 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.280 gonna be watching great story. I don't know where he 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.119 goes from what I understood. I think he's going to Dallas, right, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.399 He's gonna be He's gonna be at the draft. Yeah, 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.480 so he might end up first being a Day three pick, 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:12.919 But I mean, you talk about a guy that has 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.240 obviously maximized everything in his life to get to this point. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.640 It's just it's gonna be a great moment for him 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:20.440 whenever his name does get called. Because I think if 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.199 nothing else through this combine process, he assured himself that 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.520 he will get drafted. And when you talk about Hubbard, 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.280 to step back to him for a second, I think 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.160 he's a guy who's going to go sooner rather than 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.919 later because edge rushers are are at a premium. Not 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:35.960 only at a premium, but it's not a very deep 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.600 group of edge rushers in this draft. So that's a 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.640 guy who, you know, maybe from a pure talent standpoint, 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.320 is going to be rated here, but he's going to 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.520 be drafted up here because of the position he plays, 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.080 and there just aren't a lot of those in this 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.480 draft defying there really aren't. And then one last name 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:55.159 for you, Darius Leonard from South Carolina State kind of 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.399 reminds me of a Joe Thomas a little bit but 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.920 a little bit more athletic, and he will get draft 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:01.879 in those middle rounds as well. I don't know what 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:03.440 the need is going to be there for the Packers 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.720 and an inside linebacker with Blake Martinez coming back in 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:08.720 Jake Ryan, but I think he's another guy that could 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.800 be interesting. All right. With that, we will toss to 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.720 another break back with Moron Packers unscripted right after this 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.800 Welcome back to Packers unscripted. Mike Spofford here West, Hodkuh, 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.639 It's over there, So okay, West Packers are at the 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.399 overall pick if they decide to stay there and select 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:45.000 at fourteen. You wrote a story about this on our website, 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.239 packers dot com. There's a little bit of history on 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.680 their side, not only Green Bay Packers history, but NFL 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.520 history in general. With the success of that four pick. 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.560 In Packers history three times they've drafted at number fourteen. 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.359 Two times. It's turned out to be an awfully good player. 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.760 One of those guys is in Canton. Yeah, Dave Robinson, 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.399 who I think. You know, they built the crux of 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.880 that team in the late fifties, you know Jack NISI 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.720 and in the scouting department and the job that Vince 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:16.160 Lombardi did developing him. But Dave Robinson was a fun 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.040 player because he came in sixty I believe it was 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.760 sixty two, um, so that they kind of already turned 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:22.320 things around, but that's when they started to kind of 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.640 fortify things. End up having an incredibly productive career, such 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.960 a big playmaker, twenty seven career interceptions. I think every 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:30.560 year he was in the league, he had at least 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.879 one at the linebacker position working with Ray nich Key. Um, 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.240 just a phenomenal football player. Uh. And then yeah, Bubba Franks. 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.600 I mean, Franks isn't the type of guy that I 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.040 you know, he's not going into Canton, but I think 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.159 for that time and place, he fit what they were 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:45.840 doing so well. And and and to be honest with you, 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.680