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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, you are listening to Deer Movies. I Love you.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast for those who are in a

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Speaker 1: I know, dude, I binge watch the global phenomenon which

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Speaker 2: So sure, good for you. Well, thanks, Millie, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Correction we need. I want to open up the film diary, okay,

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Speaker 1: it's fine and Cut Gems is great. This movie is

436
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: again like a very much about that character, like a

437
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: man who's so driven by his own ego that he

438
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: kind of ruins his own life. I wasn't buying that

439
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: him and Gwyneth Paltrow were like banging out in the

440
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: shower in a hotel. I kind of wasn't buying that

441
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. I did love Tyler the Creator. He

442
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 1: was he was actually really fun. That part with with

443
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: him and Timothy Shallamy and Tyler the Creator was fun

444
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: as hell, like scary and fun and heroin.

445
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: But did you ever see The French Dispatch Wes Anderson's

446
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: French Discatch?

447
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: Yes?

448
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 2: I did, well, because Timothy is banging Francis McDormand in

449
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: that movie, So it's kind of why.

450
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: Did they Why did they always want to get that

451
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: guy in with like much.

452
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: Older women, much older oscar winners from.

453
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: Is that what they think? Is that what Hollywood thinks

454
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: we want as middle aged women is they're like, oh,

455
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: we want Timothy Chalomay to be like banging us out. No,

456
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: not him, what about anything? But Timothy? I like him too,

457
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: trust me. I actually he's one that I completely revised

458
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: my opinion about in terms of just his vibe. But

459
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I feel like, if we're going to

460
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: go in that direction, if you're gonna go find a

461
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: mill hunter after, what about any of the guys from

462
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: Heated Rivalry? Yeah, those guys got a lot of abs,

463
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

464
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I mean Timidity in this movie, he really

465
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: does look like a cartoon mouse, Like yes, and he's he's.

466
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: Like merdy and diminutive, and he just kind of looks

467
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: like a shoe salesman. I think he actually is a

468
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: shoe salesman at one point, And I'm like, really, you

469
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: think he's putting on the old.

470
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: Razzle dazzle got that riz very good. I do want

471
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: to see Marty Supreme, but.

472
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 1: Yeah you should, really you should. I mean I'm not

473
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: saying anything bad about him, saying it's fine, It's fine.

474
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: Are pretty good, Okay, I watch like you. I watched

475
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: a lot of movies, and so I kind of pared

476
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: it down to three of them that I want to

477
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: talk about. I watched DA from nineteen eighty eight, directed

478
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 2: by Rocky Morton and Annabel Jinkle. They later went on

479
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: to direct the Super Mario Brothers movie with Bob Haskins

480
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: and Gently Wizama. Have you seen DOA?

481
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: I've seen the original DA with.

482
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a remake. It was good with Dennis

483
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 2: Quaid and Meg Ryan and Charlotte Rampling. I enjoyed it.

484
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: It's pretty stylish and it's set in Austin, Texas, which

485
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: is kind of interesting to see in the nineteen eighties.

486
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: And yeah, I had a good time with that one.

487
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 2: Then I watched Down with Love with from two thousand

488
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: and three with rene Es Elwigger and Ewan McGregor. Yeah,

489
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: I like, I thought this is fun. I thought it

490
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: was like such a good throwback to like the Rock

491
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: Hudson and is It Doris Doris Stay Yeah type movies.

492
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: I thought it was like so effective that I was like, oh,

493
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: I forgot this is a new movie. Yeah, that was good.

494
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: I thought it was fun, a good time. It's charming.

495
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 2: They charming the pants off me. And then I watched

496
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 2: Notes on a Scandal from two thousand and six. I've

497
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 2: never seen this movie with Judy Dench and Kate Blanchette. Loved.

498
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: I loved this movie. I feel like we did this

499
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: for you did Yeah, we did. Okay, you did it,

500
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: and I saw what you did. It was fantastic, very tight.

501
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: I love a tight film. And I won't go into this,

502
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: but I've had experiences with people of the same sex

503
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: being obsessed with me and having sort of fractured relationships

504
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: in that regard and having them show up at my

505
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: house uninvited late. So wait, yeah, so you're you said

506
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: multiple multiple? So only one? Only one person showed up

507
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: aut my house. But I've had multiple friendships. I had

508
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: two friendships that turned into one in high school and

509
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: one in college that turned into something else and had

510
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: to break off those relationships.

511
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: Was there any Yeah, No, there was none.

512
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: Well, I was just say I related to it in

513
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: the sense that in those relationships I was I, you know,

514
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: they didn't know a secret about me, like Cate Blanchette,

515
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: who's having an affair with a child, you know, But

516
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: I would be in situations where I always owed them,

517
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: or particularly one where it was like I was always

518
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: I'd done something wrong in their eyes, and I felt

519
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: like I always owed them, And I was kind of

520
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: trapped in situations where I was hanging like sort of

521
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: forced to hang out with them because I felt like

522
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: I owed them. You know, there was a lot of manipulation.

523
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is so dark and fucked up. Damn, that

524
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: is a that is a deeply interesting, fascinating road. I

525
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: was going to ask you, were you ever in love

526
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: with a teacher when you were like in high school

527
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: or even college.

528
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: That's interesting. I was never in love with a teacher.

529
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: No.

530
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: I think I had, you know, little crushes, yes, but

531
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: you know I would I was No, I didn't. I

532
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: never had like strong feelings, did you friend of your teachers?

533
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: Well, I had a huge crush on my French He

534
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: wasn't even really a teacher. He was really like a

535
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: teacher's aide. I had a huge crush on my French

536
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: teacher's aid when I was in high school, and really

537
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: it was because he I came into school one day

538
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: it was like the beginning of the semester. And you know,

539
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: when you were in French, did you take French and no,

540
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: I only took Spanish. Spanish, Well, I took French. I

541
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: think it's probably the same where basically you enter the

542
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: classroom and it's like only the language. You're not supposed

543
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: to speak English at all. And I remember, you know,

544
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: he came in. It was like a monsieur blah blah

545
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and like blah, and then he like

546
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: walked around and then when he came to me, I said,

547
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: my name all Francis, and then he was like, you know, Ben,

548
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: wee wee wee. And then he literally leaned into my

549
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: ear and said, I really like your Smith's T shirt.

550
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: And it blew my fucking brain apart. That's all you

551
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: needed to do when I was listen when I was

552
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: in high school, if you liked a band that I liked,

553
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: it was like the currency was it was like a

554
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: million dollar bill. Like I just was like, sure, I

555
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: want to know you, and you have to be in

556
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: my life. I just wanted to be understood so badly.

557
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: I think that I just wanted to But then it

558
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: became we became buddies.

559
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: Basically, when he says that that opens a whole universe

560
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: to you, You're where you're like, who is this guy?

561
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: He's everything? Like it just opens him up to you,

562
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: you know, Like and I, you know, I in high school,

563
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: I think I had a little crush in my Spanish teacher.

564
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: She was like very young too, she was like twenty four.

565
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, this mine was too. He's like twenty five, twenty six.

566
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: And if she had leaned in to my ear and said, nice,

567
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: garden state switch.

568
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: I didn't have a garden state, but it was something

569
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: like that.

570
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: I would I would have it would have It would

571
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: have sent me into an alternate dimension.

572
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: Because it's like the team, like the for there's so

573
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: many levels. It's like breaking the fourth French Wall, which

574
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: is insane, but also a teacher liking any band, you know,

575
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: let alone a band like the Smith. And then it

576
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: just became this thing where like after class I would

577
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: we would talk, and he was into like alternative music

578
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: because he was twenty fucking six years old and this

579
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: was the nineties and he was in a band himself

580
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: and all this shit, and I was just like, I

581
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: love him. He was super nice to me. We'll get

582
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: to this when we talk about Donnie Darko. By the way,

583
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: he was super nice to me in spite of me

584
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: being such a fucking horrible hag in high school. And

585
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: I was in love with him. But you know, he

586
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: never we never had a notes on a scandal relationship.

587
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good to hear. Wow, fabulous. Well we must

588
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: move on. We have to talk about Donnie Erco. Oh,

589
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: well we must close up the film that, we must

590
00:33:47,520 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: close it up. All right, moving on, It's time for

591
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: our main discussion. Donnie Darko Director's Cut from two thousand

592
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 2: and four. This was directed and written by Richard Kelly

593
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: More on him later. I would say the genre of

594
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: this movie, it's a lot of genres. It's a coming

595
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: of age film, It's a I would say, a horror,

596
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: a sci fi sure, sure, yeah, all those things. Some

597
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: of the themes, you know, mental illness, high school crap,

598
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 2: post Reagan eighties. A lot of famous people in this movie.

599
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: I was kind of shocked watching it again. I was like,

600
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: holy shit, true, Barrymore is in this. Holy shit. No

601
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: Wiley's in this, Holy shit. Patrick Swayzey's in this.

602
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also seth Rogen is his first Seth Rogan and

603
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: so this yeah, this was Seth Rogan's first film. And

604
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: here's the weird thing about it. Now, So if you

605
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: like look up the movie, he's built very high in

606
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: the film. When I'm like, he has funny three lines,

607
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: he's barely in it, That's what I mean.

608
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: So that's interesting. Also there's a young Ashley Tisdale in

609
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: this movie. If you know who, she's in high school musical.

610
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: Oh. Also the guy that plays the bully. Fuck's his name? Oh,

611
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: Alex Greenwald? He was in the band? What band was

612
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: he in? Phantom Planet?

613
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: He was a whoa I saw a Phantom Planet in

614
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: concert last year.

615
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Jason Schwartzman's band.

616
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason Shortzman is no longer in the band.

617
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: Oh well back so, but back in the day he

618
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: would have been in the band, right two thousand and one?

619
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Wow, fabulous. What a great tidbit there,

620
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: Uh famous quotes. I feel like there's a there's been

621
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: a meme of this movie where the therapist asked Donnie,

622
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: did you make any friends?

623
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: All right?

624
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: Donnie says I made a new friend. The therapist says

625
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: real or imagine and he says imaginary that's kind of memified.

626
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.

627
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 2: Uh, Millie, what's your personal connection to this movie?

628
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I remember when this movie came out.

629
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: I was.

630
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: Straight up shithead phase college film school. I knew that

631
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: it was an indie movie. Like. That's the thing is that,

632
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, because this was happening kind of

633
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: all over the place in the I would say early

634
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: two thousands, there was a rash of movies that were

635
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: coming out that were sort of like geared towards college

636
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: age kids. The marketing was definitely being sold to us,

637
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: to people of my age group. But I could never

638
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: figure out if it was an indie movie or if

639
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: it was a you know, like a studio film. It

640
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: was kind of like it seemed to me they were

641
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: like studio films, but they were being made for like

642
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: indie audiences, right.

643
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would.

644
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: I would put like Napoleon Dynamite and like Rush War

645
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: and all these like movies into this category.

646
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: I don't think this movie is as good as any

647
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: of the movies you just said, but I would say, no,

648
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: I'm sorry the movie I'm about to say, but the

649
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: Boondocks Saints. I would also put into that category.

650
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: Yes, it was kind of like I feel like the

651
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: marketing of film became a lot more insiduous in this era,

652
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: where they were basically like being like, well, we're gonna

653
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, this movie was made with a lot of money,

654
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 1: but we're gonna make it like cool and like hip

655
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: and like it was just the hipsterification of commercial films.

656
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: Reclaim for Requiem for a Dream is of a dream

657
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 2: rec for a Dream? Yeah, but it was kind of like.

658
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: The waiting moments of like the nineties American independent movement

659
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: that was kind of now being kind of co opted

660
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: by the major studios and stuff, like in a more

661
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: pronounced way right than it was in the nineties. So

662
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: I was kind of a little confused by Donnie Dark.

663
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, is this like a famous so many famous

664
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: people in this movie? What independent director gets to work

665
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: with all these fucking yeah great. I mean it was

666
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: confounding to me. But anyway, I remember seeing this movie

667
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: with like pretty much all guys, like all the guys

668
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: that I knew, and they really loved it. They loved it,

669
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: and so to me, I think I started noticing that

670
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: this movie. I sensed that it was a very important

671
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: movie for dudes and dudes in my life and people

672
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: that I know, So, yeah, what about you?

673
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: Well, yes, it was I would say, I saw I

674
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: had mentioned this at the top. I saw I had

675
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: seen it before, but I saw the director's cut at

676
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 2: a midnight screening in two thousand and five on Halloween,

677
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: and this when I saw this movie, I feel like

678
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: I thought, like, this is the most important movie I

679
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 2: ever remember.

680
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: Oh.

681
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: I just felt like it was like so such a

682
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: rich text was there was so much depth to it,

683
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: I thought tonally, which I still think this way. I

684
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: think tonally, it is a very intriguing film, and it

685
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: feels unlike most movies, and I'd never quite seen I

686
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: seen a movie quite like it before. I was also

687
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: really inspired by the director, Richard Kelly, not because this

688
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 2: is like my was my favorite movie of all time,

689
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: but or that he was my favorite director, but he

690
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: wrote and directed this movie when he was twenty six,

691
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: and he went to USC and I feel like that

692
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: planted a seat in my head in high school. That

693
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 2: was like, I want to have the exact same career

694
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: as Richard Kelly. I want to go to USC and

695
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: then I'll make my first feature with Drew Barrymore immediately thereafter,

696
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: you know, and so he was like he was kind

697
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: of a model for me of like how to be

698
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: a filmmaker or like what your career could look like.

699
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: And so I did apply to USC didn't get in,

700
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: but yeah, So, I mean he was kind of a

701
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: big figure in my life back then. And it's sort

702
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: of interesting because he hasn't made a movie since two

703
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: thousand and nine. So why is that? I don't know.

704
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: I mean I think Southland Tales. Have you seen some

705
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: that is? That was such a big flop and that

706
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 2: was a bigger budget movie. And then he made another

707
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: movie called The Box, which I never saw, with Cameron Diaz.

708
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I think he's got big ideas

709
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: and his movies are kind of messy. And I mean

710
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: that in a complimentary I like that his movies are

711
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: kind of like messy.

712
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: But can I read this quote that I see on

713
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: Wikipedia right now? Please? By the way, I'm just browsing Wikipedia,

714
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: not like I'm doing hard research.

715
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: Sure.

716
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, filmmaker Kevin Smith said of Kelly quote,

717
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: he is insanely creative and is not unlike Christopher Nolan,

718
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: but Nolan wound up in the Warner Brothers system, where

719
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: he got special handling and he got a lot of

720
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: money to make huge art films like Inception. Richard can

721
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: be one of our greatest filmmakers. He is right now,

722
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: but just a lot of people don't realize it. He's

723
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: still a kid, and someone needs to nolan that kid.

724
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 2: And how do you feel about that quote?

725
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean that's I mean, I guess maybe speaking to

726
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: what you just said, right, it's like, okay, so here's

727
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: somebody who seems extremely creative. I mean, that's one thing

728
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: you cannot deny about Donnie Darko. I mean, actually, now

729
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: that I've watched this director's cut that has all this

730
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: extra stuff in it, I'm like, oh, this is like

731
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: an entire mythology and world that he built around this movie.

732
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: And it's very creative. I mean, you know, a little

733
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: dense at times, but it's like interesting. But yeah, I

734
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: mean I guess it makes me, it makes you do

735
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: wonder like, Okay, he hasn't made a movie since two

736
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. I mean, he's only directed three movies

737
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: and wrote four. So it's kind of that thing of

738
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: like okay for somebody who's I don't know, it just

739
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: seems obviously very interesting when someone who can make a

740
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: big movie like Donny Darker that's like really cult appreciated,

741
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: and also you know, it's just kind of beloved by

742
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: people of my generation. Certainly. Why he doesn't work all

743
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: the time, I don't know.

744
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: There just seems to be it seems kind of crazy,

745
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: like he didn't get thrown a TV show like the

746
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 2: Netflix money spending Heyday.

747
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, like.

748
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: I don't know, huh yeah, interesting. So I bet he'll

749
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: make another movie at some point. He's not that old, No,

750
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: he's like my age, right, yeah, like, yeah, a couple

751
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: of years. But it's interesting that someone who gets off

752
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 2: to such a hot start, like he made a big

753
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 2: movie when he was twenty six. You think he would

754
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 2: have kept going.

755
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe that was his Jeff Buckley's grace and

756
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: then yeah, yeah, not that he died obviously, Richard Kelly's

757
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: still alive, but you know that in that way, that's

758
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: kind of like, you make this one huge movie and then.

759
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you make more? Question Mark? Right, Well, I'm

760
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: going to get into the synopsis here, but I must

761
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: say I'm not it's not totally in order, because this

762
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: is such a this is a bit of a confusing movie.

763
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 2: S sure wouldn't you say?

764
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

765
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 2: Uh? So here we go. First part of the film.

766
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: It's October second, nineteen eighty eight in Middlesex, Virginia. Teenager

767
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: Donnie Darko played by Jake Jonhall. He's a troubled team

768
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: with mental problems and he might have paranoid schizophrenia. It's

769
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: never quite determined what is quite wrong with him. But

770
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: he wakes up after a night of sleep walking on

771
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: an abandoned road overlooking a valley. First sh out of

772
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: the movie, and we find out that he frequently wanders

773
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: around at night, and so he's gone out of his

774
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: house pretty frequently at night, and his parents are like,

775
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: where do you go? But one night a jet engine

776
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: falls out of the sky and crashes into his house,

777
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 2: right into his room. But he's not there. He's out wandering,

778
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 2: so he's fine. No one is hurt, but no one

779
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: knows where this jet engine came from. Strange. Also, around

780
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 2: this time, he starts seeing visions of Frank, who is

781
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: a man dressed in a horrifying rab bunny costume, and

782
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: he tells Donnie that the world is going to end

783
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: on Halloween in twenty eight days. So we watched the

784
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: director's cut, and there's this whole intro sequence where Donnie

785
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: is biking around and there's like all these slow motion

786
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: shots of his family and him biking and stuff. And

787
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 2: in the original version, it's the Killing Moon by Echo

788
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: and the Bunnyman playing, but in the director's cut, it's

789
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: never Tear Us Apart by Inexcess, and I much prefer

790
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: the Inxcess song in this sequence. And yeah, so that's

791
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: why I kind of wanted to watch the director's cut.

792
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: I was excited to watch.

793
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that, because this movie, I think

794
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: is beloved for the soundtrack. I certainly think that's why

795
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: a lot of people my age love it, because first

796
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: of all, this movie takes place in nineteen eighty eight, right,

797
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: late eighties. Yes, more about that in a second, by

798
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: the way, But the soundtrack is very like error appropriate, right,

799
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: And so all the music cues that I remembered from

800
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: this movie, they're so memorable. And then when I saw

801
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: it and I watched the director's cut, and I was like,

802
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: wait a second, all the music is different or it's

803
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: different in different places. Yeah, Like I remember them coming

804
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: down the stairs at the Halloween party, to under the

805
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: Milky Way by the Church, and that did not happen.

806
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: That the Church song played in a different And then

807
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: I started thinking, am I misremembering it? Because it just

808
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: felt like all the music was in different places or

809
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: they swapped out songs. Do you know if that's true.

810
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 2: I the only the major one I know of is

811
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: the Never Tearist apart replacement. I don't know about the

812
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: other music cues, if they moved stuff around like that,

813
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: because Love Will Tear Us a part by Joy Division

814
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 2: plays I think in the stair section or that plays

815
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: in the house.

816
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: But the Killing Moon that was that was supposed to

817
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: be the intro song.

818
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: But okay, that was That was the interest song in

819
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: the original theatrical.

820
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: They play it again at a certain it's just at

821
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: a different place.

822
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

823
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: I did not mind the XSS song because I actually

824
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: love that inexcess song. Yeah, but I will say the

825
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: Church song threw me off. I was waiting for that moment.

826
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: But I'm glad that they kept Head over Heels right.

827
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: That was that is?

828
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they have there's some really memorable music sequences,

829
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: and that Head over Heels one is maybe the most famous,

830
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: where Donnie's walking into heist the school for the first time,

831
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: or kind of like going through the hallways while Head

832
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: over Heels by Tears for Fears plays that really not

833
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: when I when I saw that for the first time,

834
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: that really knocked my socks off.

835
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I feel like the I don't

836
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: know now, seeing the director's cut, I'm having like this

837
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: massive Mandela effect about the original movie, Like I'm like, now,

838
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 1: I don't know what was in the original is what?

839
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: But I gotta say just generally, yeah, that kind of

840
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: threw me off. I'm not sure. I don't I don't know.

841
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I liked the director's cut for that

842
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: the music being different, So yeah, there was that.

843
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: I mean that's the problem with director's cuts in general.

844
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: It's kind of like I sort of think director's cuts

845
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: are usually worse than the theatrical version.

846
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, should we have watched theatrical another.

847
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: But I know, but I prefer I think the director's

848
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: cut of Donnie Darko, And I feel like this was

849
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: a very big deal, this director's cut. This is like,

850
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like it's hard for me

851
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: to like think of another movie where like the director's

852
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: cut was like held in such a steam you know.

853
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: Cut, I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, don't mess with

854
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: my music, man. That's what I like the movie for.

855
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: I think that music is one of the best parts

856
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: of the movie.

857
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 2: But you know, yea, so now I'm also we're introduced

858
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: to a character, Charita, which I see you have a

859
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: note about.

860
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: Wasn't sure if we wanted to wait for this next

861
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: section because I have like because so much of this

862
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: movie is obviously about high school stuff. As you mentioned,

863
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: high school crap, and you know, I think it's like

864
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: a private Is it a Catholic school that they go to.

865
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,959
Speaker 2: That's what's confusing. It feels like they're intentionally leaving God out.

866
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: There's no like Christian stuff. But they wear uniforms. They

867
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: do wear uniforms, and it was shot at Loyola High School,

868
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 2: so there are crosses around the building. But yeah, it's

869
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: a private school.

870
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's just say private school. Like a lot

871
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: of these kids that he goes to school with, a

872
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: lot of these boys that he goes to school with

873
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: her fucking terrifying, Like the aforementioned Alex Greenwald bully character

874
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: and his buddy Seth Rogan. They're like terrifying people. Yeah,

875
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,959
Speaker 1: and even just his like even Donny Darko's like bus

876
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: stop buddies. So he gets sent to the bus stop

877
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: with his little sister and there's a crew of people there,

878
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: these two like fucking dumb dudes that are just gross

879
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: and terrible. And then there's this character, Charita, whom is

880
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: a bigger girl Asian and is kind of like a loner.

881
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: She wears ear muffs in a lot of the movie,

882
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: just like the school nerd.

883
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 2: Right.

884
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: And when I tell you, and I thought this back

885
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one, Charita is I and I

886
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: am Charita. I'm telling you, like I was so triggered

887
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: by her back in the day, in the moment she

888
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: came up, I was like, that's me, bitch, this is me.

889
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: If you want to know my plates when I was

890
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: in middle school, in high school, that's me. Like I

891
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: am fairly certain I actually had a boy in middle

892
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: school scream go back to China, bitch in my face,

893
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: Like I'm not joking about that. They definitely call me

894
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: Chinese girl, like I remember them saying to me Chinese girl,

895
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: just like as an insult. I'm not Chinese, by the way,

896
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: just throwing that out there. But it's again like the bullying,

897
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: the bully male culture of like high school kids, especially

898
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: in the eighties was brutal.

899
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 2: Oh shit, and it was just you know, yeah, I'm

900
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: sure it's an accurate representation. Like it is an accurate

901
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: representation because you're saying you experienced something very similar, and

902
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: I'm definitely Sharita.

903
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: As the movie progresses, which she fans, it's turns out

904
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: she's uh in love with Donny Darko because he like

905
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: was nice to her once or whatever and writes his

906
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: name on her on her folder.

907
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah that's me, I'm.

908
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: Telling you, Charita, Like, come on, what else do you

909
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: want me to say?

910
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it is accurate, but it's also like did

911
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: this need to be in this movie?

912
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's you know, I mean the

913
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: device to maybe make him a nice guy or something.

914
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why.

915
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, he was nice to Trida, so we

916
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: know he's a good person. It's like save the.

917
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: Cat, even though he's he's running, he's sliman. He's even

918
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: though fucking Donny Darko is out there sliman in his

919
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: sleep anyway.

920
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: All right, So moving on, Donnie Darko, he meets Gretchen

921
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 2: Ross Jennam Malone, who's the new girl at school because

922
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: on her first day of school, she comes into his

923
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: classroom and their teacher, Karen Pomeroy played by Drew Berrymore

924
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: tells Gretchen sit next to the boy she thinks is cutest. Oh,

925
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: and she sits next to Donnie. Now, well, let me

926
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: finish what I'm about to say. So they start dating,

927
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: and Frank the bunny rabbit keeps appearing to Donnie and

928
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,959
Speaker 2: telling him to do bad things. Donnie breaks the water

929
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 2: made in the school and it floods, and he also

930
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 2: tells Donnie to like investigate time travel. He has something

931
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: about time travel. So we're also introduced to motivational speaker

932
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: Jim Cunningham played by Patrick Swayze, who's like, philosophies have

933
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: kind of like overtaken the school or the community, I

934
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 2: should say back to the Drew Barrymore telling Gretchen to

935
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 2: next to the boy she thinks is cutest. What did

936
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: you think of this this little scene? Do you think

937
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore's character should have been fired for doing something?

938
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: Like?

939
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: God, I was like, where are the ethics in this school?

940
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: My God?

941
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: I feel like that was so crazy, and it is

942
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: sort of an it is sort of emblematic of the

943
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 2: tone of this movie. I found watching it this time,

944
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: I had more trouble with the tone because sometimes it's

945
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: really trying to be like funny, and then other times

946
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: it's supposed to be like real emo, goth kind of vibes,

947
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: and I felt like those two ends were didn't always meet.

948
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 2: You know, did you have any trouble when watching it

949
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 2: this time, or like any thoughts about that the tone?

950
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: Okay, so repeat that you're saying.

951
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 2: I just feel like this movie, like there are some

952
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: parts that are like really trying to be funny. Sure,

953
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: you know, like the whole Patrick swayzey thing is pretty funny, yeah,

954
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: and outrageous, but then it's also like trying to be

955
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 2: this sort of sincere. The movie's trying to be this

956
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: sincere kind of like goth emo type movie. Yeah, and

957
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: I just feel like it's sort of it's sort of

958
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 2: two tones that don't can't coexist very easily.

959
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right about that. The comedy again,

960
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: I think it's like something like the Charita character. I

961
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: could understand like where these things were coming from, which

962
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: is basically like it's trying to becoming of age, which

963
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: means that there's obviously like little moments of funniness or

964
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: calls to like certain archetypes in like eighties school culture

965
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: type of thing. But then yeah, I was trying to

966
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: be serious and then it was just dark like thrillery.

967
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: It was kind of the tone of it is very strange,

968
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 1: I will say to this point, though, there's also something

969
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: happening where One of the things I do not like

970
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: about this movie is that it's clear. You know, obviously

971
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: we've just said the movie takes place in nineteen eighty

972
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: eight in Virginia, but it feels like it doesn't go

973
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: all the way in into like the production design and

974
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: the costumes, and like the Drew Barrymore character for all

975
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: her unethical teaching abilities. Like I know she was a

976
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: producer on the film, Like I think this was produced

977
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: by her production company, Johnny Dark.

978
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: I think she's pretty responsible for getting this movie made.

979
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean she looked like the way she

980
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: looked in two thousand and one, Like I was alive

981
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight. In nineteen eight eight nine, I

982
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: was in school. My teachers did not look like Drew

983
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: Barrymore with her hair parted down the middle kind of

984
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: wearing this you know, I don't know brown that like

985
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: it didn't. Her outfits and her look were not late

986
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 1: eighties at all to me. She kind of looked like, again,

987
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: like too modern. And there were moments of the movie

988
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: that didn't feel er appropriate at all. But then there

989
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: would there would be certain things like the bullies hairy

990
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: and a bullet, you know, there were like these little

991
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: Poppins of like eighty eight, but the whole thing did

992
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: not look that way to me. It looked almost kind

993
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: of too modern, and I don't, I don't know, threw

994
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: me off, Like That's the one thing I do not

995
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: like about this movie is it doesn't commit to the

996
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: period news.

997
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it feels like like the parents

998
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: do not feel like nineteen eighty eight parents. They feel like, no,

999
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: two thousand and one parents, That's what I'm saying.

1000
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: The way that they look does not and talked and yeah,

1001
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: and let me tell you like I would say, I

1002
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: would argue that the late eighties was so ostentatious when

1003
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: it came to the looks, that was the high People

1004
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,479
Speaker 1: don't get this about the eighties. They believe that the

1005
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: early eighties and the late eighties is the same.

1006
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 2: Shit.

1007
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: It's not. Okay, early eighties was much more informed by

1008
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: seventies clothes. And then when you talk about shoulder pads

1009
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: and giant aquinet hairstyles and like the Melanie Griffith and

1010
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: working girl that was so late eighties, that was not

1011
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: you were not that was.

1012
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: Even early nineties exactly.

1013
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: So like a teacher in nineteen eighty one is not

1014
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 1: going to look like a teacher in nineteen eighty nine.

1015
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, like a totally it's like a

1016
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: totally different style change. And so that's why I was like,

1017
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: there's no way that there's like the late eighties was

1018
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: so unsubtle and it was huge. All these people would

1019
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: had permed, big fucking hair with shoulder pads. Drew Barrymore

1020
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: would be wearing the like the fucking easy Spirit pumps

1021
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: with the dark pantyhose and her like giant shoulder pad suits.

1022
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: Like she's not looking like that. I don't care who

1023
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: the fuck you are. Half these people don't dress aer appropriate.

1024
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: That's my one grape about Tony. You know, it's not

1025
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: aer appropriate either. It was very in in the early

1026
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: two thousands to wear an undershirt with an unbuttoned shirt,

1027
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: like to have an under white undershirt. Yes, like that

1028
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: was very common, and I feel like that was not

1029
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: in the eighties. Yake Jake Jillet Hall looked like a

1030
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: two thousand and one kid. He did not look like

1031
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: an eighty eight kid.

1032
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, you don't have to apologize mely.

1033
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: Anyway, And like, and that's the thing too. I will

1034
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: say this, I said this earlier, but like this whole

1035
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: era of like the early two thousands movies I was

1036
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: getting when I was watching this movie again, I was like, Okay,

1037
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: I totally thought this happened in a different movie. Again,

1038
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm having this like Mandela effect about this fucking director's cut.

1039
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, for some reason, I thought Patrick Swayze

1040
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: wasn't Saved, And he wasn't. He was in Johnny Darco.

1041
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: Do you remember the movie Saved from two thousand and.

1042
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 2: I can see why you would think. There's kind of

1043
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 2: a lot of scenes in Saved where there's like a

1044
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: preacher or somebody in the front and high school students

1045
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: are yelling at them. Yeah, so I could see why

1046
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 2: you conflated the two.

1047
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: And then for some reason, I totally believed that the

1048
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: whole Sparkle motion line and the whole Sparkle motion thing,

1049
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: which we'll get to later, was in Napoleon Dynamite. And

1050
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: was it.

1051
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 2: Well, the Happy Hands Club was in Napoleon Dynamite, the

1052
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: Happy Hands Club, and that was the sign Language club

1053
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: that also did like dances. And then Napoleon Dynamite does

1054
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: a dance right at the end, does he does a

1055
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 2: dance miracle?

1056
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so there is a performance. Now I'm getting confused.

1057
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: All these movies are running together to me.

1058
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's okay, that's okay, uh okay. Moving on, Donnie

1059
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: asks his teacher, doctor Kenneth Monotov played by Noah Wiley,

1060
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 2: about time travel. So Doctor Kenneth gives Donnie a book,

1061
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: The Philosophy of Time Travel, written by this local recluse

1062
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 2: named ROBERTA. Sparrow aka Grandma Death. That's what they all

1063
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 2: call her, Gramma Death. And the strange elements in this

1064
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: Philosophy of time travel book kind of coincide with the

1065
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 2: weird things that are happening to Donnie. He's learning all

1066
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,959
Speaker 2: about dimensions, portals, time travel, wormholes, and in the director's cut,

1067
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 2: we actually see snippets of the book all the like

1068
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 2: sort of strange portal talk, and I don't even want

1069
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: to get into it because it's confounding, but learn a

1070
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 2: little bit.

1071
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: They did not have the chapters in the original.

1072
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 2: Correct they did not have the chapters in the original,

1073
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: So I don't know. It was interesting watching this. I

1074
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 2: know you haven't seen Southland Tails, but Southland Tails is

1075
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 2: very similar to Donnie Darko in the sense it's a

1076
01:01:54,160 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: lot of different dimension portal talk, but it's not the same.

1077
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: It's kind of confining. Humane a movie that touches upon

1078
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 2: such similar elements as Donny Darko for his second movie

1079
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 2: and Southland Tails. I people love it. It has a

1080
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 2: cult following. I that movie did not work for me.

1081
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 2: I think I need to rewatch it because when I

1082
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: saw it, I found it it didn't I didn't connect

1083
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: with it in the way that Donnie Darko did. So anyways, Uh,

1084
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: what did you think of all this sci fi time

1085
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: travel stuff? Well, I mean again, I did not clock

1086
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 2: pretty much any of it. Back when I first saw

1087
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: this movie, I think I remember it being much more

1088
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 2: of a coming of age movie than it like to me,

1089
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is like ordinary people with

1090
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: Jake Jillenhall. I did not realize that there was this

1091
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 2: whole sci fi element to it. I mean, I knew

1092
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: that he was having delusions, but I saw it more

1093
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 2: in the framework of just his own mental health struggles

1094
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 2: and not it being this whole other component.

1095
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

1096
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I it does, but it is I feel like

1097
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,919
Speaker 2: there's watching it this time. I was like, damn, there's

1098
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: so much sci fi stuff. It's mostly sci fi.

1099
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: Well, and that's what I was kind of thinking, Like,

1100
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: I was like, is this I saw that on the

1101
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: d meting of the director's cut there was the book

1102
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: The Philosophy of the actual ROBERTA. Spara book, right, and

1103
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: it basically sort of gives all the information about the

1104
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: idea of what the sci fi elements or the plot

1105
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: elements around the whole time travel thing is the whole

1106
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: like tangential universe whatever versus the kind of like primary

1107
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: first universe and although like wormhole shit that they talk

1108
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: about and the or the orbs and everything. Once I

1109
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: kind of went into my research hole about that, Like

1110
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: I went online after I saw the movie obviously, and

1111
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: I was like, what did I just watch? And then

1112
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: I read I read I read about it, and I

1113
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: was kind of like, Okay, I can see how that's interesting,

1114
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: and I feel like it obviously takes a creative person

1115
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: to kind of come up with that mythology or that

1116
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: lore or whatever. I feel though that that when you

1117
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: bring it into the other movie that I saw, the

1118
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: first movie that I saw in like two thousand and one.

1119
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, there's a lot going on. Yeah, and

1120
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: it kind of feels like the director's cut over complicated

1121
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: the movie.

1122
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 2: Does that make people complain that he explained it too much?

1123
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 2: And the director's cut, whereas like in did Donnie Darko

1124
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 2: or Original One, I think it's easier to just be like,

1125
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 2: I don't know, time travel stuff whatever, Who gives a shit?

1126
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 2: It's kind of there, But like in director's cut, you're

1127
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 2: like having to like be faced with it more.

1128
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and like, weirdly enough, I feel like this movie,

1129
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: whatever it became like in the director's cut, is now

1130
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: like what they do in all movies. I mean, there's

1131
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: like it's giving like stranger things. It's giving I saw

1132
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: the TV glow, it's giving a lot of like other

1133
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: that kind of like young kids in this like American environment.

1134
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: But also outside of it in this other like, I

1135
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: was like, I started thinking about weapons when I saw

1136
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: this movie. Like I was like, oh, now, this is

1137
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: like the thing you do, which is that you take

1138
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: like suburban kids or just normal kids and then you

1139
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: put them in this like weird science fiction experimental universe.

1140
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: That's so interesting the stranger things connection. I totally see that,

1141
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 2: do you know what I'm saying? Absolutely, that's a really

1142
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 2: astute observation. Well, thanks, buddy.

1143
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: I just I'm just saying though, like, but in when

1144
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: you watch when you see it though, in Donnie Darko,

1145
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot going

1146
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: on to be like, oh, we have to worry about

1147
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: his family and the events happening to him in this

1148
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: primary universe and his school and his doctor and his

1149
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: you know girlfriend. But then also now wormholes and and

1150
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: there's a wormhole deaths and you know, the fucking whole

1151
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: vibe where I'm just like, damn, it's a lot going on.

1152
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: And the movie is like the fucking director's cut is

1153
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: like over two hours, right, it is.

1154
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a beefy that's a beefy text.

1155
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: That's a fucking long movie.

1156
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 2: It is. It is all right. Donnie and Wretchen go

1157
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 2: on a date to see Evil Dead. During the movie,

1158
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 2: Gretchen falls asleep and Frank comes back and Donnie says,

1159
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 2: take your mask off, and Frank does, and guess what.

1160
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 2: It's James duval Hatti Boombaalatti, James, who you may have

1161
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: seen in some Gregor Rocky movies like Nowhere the Doom Generation.

1162
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 2: I think he's totally fucked up. He's also an Independence Day.

1163
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: Also a let's get serious.

1164
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 2: He's Awasian. He's also in a movie I love called

1165
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: May and I believe that's from the year two thousand.

1166
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 2: He's great. I was delighted to see him. But his

1167
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 2: like eye is like shot out, his eyes like bleeding

1168
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 2: and we'll find out why later. But Frank says, Donnie,

1169
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 2: you gotta go burn down Jim Cunningham's house, which is

1170
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 2: Patrick Swayzey's house, And so he goes and does it.

1171
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 2: And guess what. Jim Cunningham, the motivational speaker, has a

1172
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 2: bunch of quote unquote kitty porn, as they say in

1173
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 2: the movie, and he gets arrested. Also during this time,

1174
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 2: Donnie's youngest sister is in a dance group called Sparkle

1175
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: Motion and they get to be on Ed McMahon's Star Search,

1176
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 2: so they're flying to La to compete. So that leaves

1177
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 2: Donnie and his older sister Elizabeth played by Maggie Jillenhall,

1178
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 2: at home to throw a party on Halloween, which is

1179
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 2: also the same day that Frank told Donnie that the

1180
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 2: world is ending and he thoughts about this second.

1181
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean, listen many number one, I love how Gretchen

1182
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: falls asleep to The Evil Dead.

1183
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 2: Within minutes of the movie starting to well.

1184
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that is what allows Donnie to

1185
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: sneak out to his slime crimes. But it's like, you know,

1186
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: I also love the idea of like going to see

1187
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: a movie with her boyfriend, like The Evil Dead and

1188
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: just fall asleep, like it's so funny. And also throughout

1189
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 1: the arrow, did you notice that in Santa Monica?

1190
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 2: Yep. I love the Aero Theater. Been there many times. Yes,

1191
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 2: great theater.

1192
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: I love it too. This part is where I start

1193
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: to like kind of like lose the plot literally because

1194
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, the idea that Frank is a real dude, Yeah,

1195
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: that is.

1196
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 2: Confusing, confusing.

1197
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I listened, loving that it's James Duvall, as

1198
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 1: we've all talked about Hatty Boombaalai.

1199
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, still hot.

1200
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: By the way. I saw him do a talk with

1201
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: Gregor Rocky and Richard linklater in Austin, like maybe two

1202
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: years ago.

1203
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 2: Dream blunt rotation right there.

1204
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's like it was. It made me

1205
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 1: my heart hurt for my generation. But they but him,

1206
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: I did that, he manifest as an actual person. I'm

1207
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 1: just like, this is fucking I don't know what to

1208
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: think anymore, Like what the hell?

1209
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? And it confusing, like we meet him again later,

1210
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 2: the real Frank, and you're kind of like they're not

1211
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 2: they're not like the same person.

1212
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: Yes, right, because the eye it's trauma. Come on, getting

1213
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: a little esoteric for my my ass, but it's get Yeah.

1214
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: But I will say that this part. I mean, I

1215
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: think a lot of people remember Sparkle Motion. I remember

1216
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: the line what is it I'm doubting your commitment to

1217
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: sparkle motion being a.

1218
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 2: Line, Yeah, I've started to doubt your commitment to sparkle Motion.

1219
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that was said at nauseam back when this

1220
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: movie came out. Maybe that's the famous line from this movie.

1221
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: Having said all I said about the anachronism of this movie,

1222
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: I will say it sparkle motion dance routine to Duran

1223
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: Durand's Notorious is the most authentically late eightiest thing to

1224
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: happen in this entire movie. The dance moves, in particular.

1225
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: I have videos of me from the late eighties where

1226
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 1: I am doing the Roger Rabbit and the Running Man

1227
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: in the same fucking way these girls are doing it.

1228
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: I also entered a lipsyn contest in nineteen eighty eight,

1229
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: and I did not wear a sparkly outfit, but I

1230
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: definitely did some moves like this.

1231
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 2: Now, what was the song and is there any video

1232
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 2: of this?

1233
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: There is there is a video of I have a

1234
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,480
Speaker 1: VHS tape that I could probably digitize.

1235
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,839
Speaker 2: Digitize that much. It's like my acting real. We gotta yeah,

1236
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 2: get it on the socials.

1237
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how I conjure up the confidence to

1238
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: do shit like this sometimes, but like, I entered this

1239
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: lip sync contest in my neighborhood at the rec center.

1240
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: I did the song out of the Blue by Debbie Gibson,

1241
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: which was off of the Out of the Blue album

1242
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: that was very popular back then. I did this shit

1243
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: alone I went to my parents and said, Hi, can

1244
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,959
Speaker 1: you like sign me up for this lip syncing contest.

1245
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: It's probably twenty five dollars write a check to these people,

1246
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: and I want to enter it, and I'm going to

1247
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: perform alone on stage. And I definitely did not win.

1248
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: I mean, there was so many, so many better, more creative,

1249
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: Like there was an entire performance to Nightmare on My Streets,

1250
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: which was the DJ Jazzy Jeff and Fresh Print song

1251
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: about Nightmare on Elm Street. That is now I guess

1252
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: lost in the ether. I don't know what happened to

1253
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: that song. The kids that performed it literally dressed like

1254
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: Freddy Krueger. I mean, it was fucking phenomenal. In the

1255
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: context of this lips and contest, it was fucking phenomenal.

1256
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: And I hear I am being like, here's my little

1257
01:12:55,240 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: Sparkle Motion moves alone on stage. So anyway, I was

1258
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: a fucking flop. But I uh, but I will say,

1259
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: knowing that this was happening in this movie, I was like, Oh,

1260
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: I was there, baby, I was I could have easily

1261
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: been in Sparkle Motion.

1262
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 2: Wow, big time. I when I was in seventh and

1263
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 2: eighth grade, our grade school would put on kind of

1264
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 2: a variety show and a big part of it was

1265
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 2: the lip syncs. That was a big you know. And

1266
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 2: when I was in seventh grade, I was a little shorty.

1267
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: I was like a little guy, and I was like,

1268
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 2: it would be funny if I did Sonny and share

1269
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: with Anna, who is like six feet tall in seventh grade. Yeah,

1270
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 2: and we did it and it was a big hit.

1271
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: Oh that would have been fucking phenomenal.

1272
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 2: It was really funny because I was like so much

1273
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 2: shorter than her.

1274
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: Oh that is so good. Oh see, I wish I

1275
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: would have done something like that. I would have killed Fuck.

1276
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,799
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the ending here, let's wrap

1277
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 2: this up.

1278
01:13:58,320 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 1: Let's go.

1279
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 2: So it's the big Halloween part. And we find out

1280
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 2: that Donnie's sister, Elizabeth's boyfriend is named Frank. Who what

1281
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 2: does that mean. We also find out that Donnie's mom

1282
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 2: and sister are taking a flight back to la because

1283
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 2: they did well at star Search. At mcmannstar Search. Donnie

1284
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 2: is then I can't remember exactly how this happens, but

1285
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 2: he's kind of like summoned to visit Grandma death because

1286
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 2: you know, the end the world is coming to it

1287
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,759
Speaker 2: and he has to talk to this time travel expert

1288
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Speaker 2: I guess. So he and his buddies in Gretchen bike

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01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 2: over there in a very etesque biking scene, and they

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01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 2: go inside and they discover that the bullies, one of

1291
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 2: whom is seth Rogen, they're robbing Grandma death and they

1292
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 2: start fighting them. The fight moves outside. Gretchen gentlem alone

1293
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 2: character is thrown into the street and run over by

1294
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 2: a car fucking crazy, and then out of the car

1295
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 2: walks Frank, the real Frank in his buddy costume, and

1296
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 2: he's like, what's gun on man? And Donnie shoots him

1297
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 2: with a gun in the eye, So that's how he

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01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 2: got the eye injury boy. Okay. Also, while this is happening,

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01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 2: Donnie's mom and little sister around the plane. The plane

1300
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 2: loses the jet engine and starts to crash. Donnie takes

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01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 2: Gretchen's body to the spot where the movie began on

1302
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 2: the abandoned road, and then a portal opens up. I guess,

1303
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 2: and we go back in time, and the jet engine

1304
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 2: comes with Donnie. I guess, and this time we kind

1305
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 2: of go back in time, but Donnie is in his

1306
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 2: room this time when the jet engine falls on his house,

1307
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 2: killing Donnie, and the movie ends with Gretchen biking past

1308
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 2: the house and a boy asks her if she knew

1309
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 2: Donnie Darko, and since we've gone back in time before

1310
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 2: she met him, she says, no, I don't. She doesn't

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01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 2: know who that is. And that's the end. Did I

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01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:56,719
Speaker 2: miss anything?

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01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: No? No, what is it too? But you didn't? I

1314
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: think you're good.

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01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't know what to think of this.

1316
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 2: You know, when I watched it in high school, like

1317
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 2: I said, I thought it was like so important, Yes,

1318
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 2: a very important movie. And then I think I watched

1319
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 2: it again ten years ago and I was like, this

1320
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 2: movie's dumb. And then when I watched it this time,

1321
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I like this movie. This is

1322
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 2: a good movie. So I'm somewhere in between it being

1323
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 2: dumb and it being the most important movie of all time.

1324
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 2: And I don't know, you know, it's just it's it's

1325
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 2: there's a lot going on.

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01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 1: Listen. I I don't want to like lose all of

1327
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: the male friends that I have in my life because

1328
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: they're actually kind of like there's a couple of shitty guys,

1329
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: but I most part like I'm I'm down with my

1330
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: guy friends. Yeah, and I'm sorry if I'm gonna say this,

1331
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: and it's gonna mean that you guys are gonna be

1332
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: able to talk to me for a while or whatever.

1333
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: But like, there's always a movie that exists in every

1334
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: generation that is like supposed to be this like huge

1335
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:21,480
Speaker 1: stumper that like everybody loves because it's like really textured

1336
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: and there's a lot going on and all this stuff.

1337
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 1: But you know, when you scope out of it, you're

1338
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: a little like, Okay, yeah, are we really going fucking

1339
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,560
Speaker 1: nutso about something like this? And like, I feel like

1340
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: this is a movie like this, and I'm not, like

1341
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: I said, I can say that while enjoying it generally, Yeah,

1342
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: and I but I but you know, I'm gonna give

1343
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 1: you a pure example. So I saw that there was

1344
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 1: this little mini documentary that was made about the Cult

1345
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: of Donnie Darko of like a bunch of people getting

1346
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: together talking about why they love this movie so much.

1347
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 1: I found on YouTube. It seems like it's old British people,

1348
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: so I think it was made by British people, which

1349
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 1: I guess has its own kind of interesting this to it.

1350
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: But I was like, literally it was just everybody being like, oh,

1351
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 1: I saw this movie. I was blown away. I love

1352
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 1: this movie so much. I was completely blown away. This

1353
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: movie like really made me think it was so amazing,

1354
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, really, how long is this documentary?

1355
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: Is this all we're gonna what is it about?

1356
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 3: It?

1357
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: Is that? What's blown? Explain it to me? Explain why

1358
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 1: it is a mind blowing movie to you because I

1359
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: watched anyway, I feel like shit saying that, But it's

1360
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: like I kind of want to go to my friends

1361
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: and be like, listen, I get that in two thousand

1362
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: and one or two thousand and four when you were

1363
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: like twenty six or how were you to me I

1364
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: was thirteen. Came fuck yeah, this would have blown my

1365
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: mind at thirteen, but I saw when I was fifteen,

1366
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 1: I think for the first time. Sure, So it means

1367
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: a lot to people like these types of movies, like

1368
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: because you think, wow, what a insane film. Yeah, but

1369
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: then you like you can't possibly continue to think.

1370
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 2: I think we've touched upon this with other movies in

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01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 2: the past, like movies that were near and dear to

1372
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 2: you when you're a teenager, and then you watch them

1373
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 2: and you're like, I've changed.

1374
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: I think.

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01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 2: That this was a really original movie with a really

1376
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 2: original tone, and I really like it, and I think

1377
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 2: it's great that it exists. And uh, I wish we

1378
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 2: had more movies coming out like Donnie Darko all the time.

1379
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 2: And I feel like this was an era of very

1380
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 2: young filmmakers getting their shot, you know, like kids in

1381
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 2: their twenties, and I don't think we get that as

1382
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 2: much nowadays.

1383
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 3: Like.

1384
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 2: Young young filmmakers getting a lot of money to make

1385
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 2: something interesting. So I don't know, it kind of made

1386
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 2: me nostalgic, but I also I did enjoy the movie,

1387
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 2: and I think it's a really creative film.

1388
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 1: So well, you know, maybe i'll pair down a little

1389
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: bit of the criticism there, but I will say that like, yeah,

1390
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 1: I mean as a as a thought experiment from somebody

1391
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: who has not made anything before, it has you know

1392
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: obviously like got a vision and got allure that they

1393
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: want to establish that it's I think it's interesting, yeah,

1394
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 1: but it feels like it's kind of doing a lot,

1395
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 1: and it feels like it's either got to like really

1396
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: push in that direction or and like shave off some

1397
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 1: of the other stuff. Maybe, And I think it would

1398
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: probably be because like I said, I think maybe like

1399
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: when I first saw it, it felt more of a

1400
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 1: coming of age movie about a teenager who was experiencing psychosis.

1401
01:20:58,720 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

1402
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: And then now seeing the director's cut and knowing it's

1403
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:08,719
Speaker 1: more about this actual other thing, I feel like maybe

1404
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: that is more interesting ultimately.

1405
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1406
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they should make that part of it, like

1407
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: leave all the other stuff on the table, Like just go.

1408
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 2: With that more rid of the time travel stuff.

1409
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 1: No, yeah, Like yeah, I'm saying, just make it all

1410
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,719
Speaker 1: about that and get rid of the whole high school

1411
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: sparkle motion fucking you know, eighties nostalgia throwback. Just make

1412
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: it more of your other thing that you actually really

1413
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: wanted to make.

1414
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, there are a lot of ideas in

1415
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 2: this movie. Yeah, a lot of them.

1416
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 1: Doesn't need Does it need to be an eighties movie? Ultimately?

1417
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: Like no, I mean it's like he doesn't need to it,

1418
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 1: does I don't know.

1419
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 2: Just there was like a lot of like Reagan stuff

1420
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 2: where I was like, do Caucus.

1421
01:21:55,720 --> 01:22:00,759
Speaker 1: Baby, I remember when Doccus ran Olympia Ducoc his cousin

1422
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: Michael Tucaccus.

1423
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 2: That was Donny Darko. I enjoyed watching this again. Now

1424
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:20,440
Speaker 2: it is time for our segment. Graps gropes and grits.

1425
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 4: Crabs groups and grits, grabs, groups andrits. I got something

1426
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 4: that's making me obsesson.

1427
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 2: Okay. First one up is from Leela Group regarding your

1428
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 2: recent episode on Zodiac, which I sawt release and rewatch

1429
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,799
Speaker 2: before listening to your show. Yes, I loved it both times.

1430
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 2: I wanted to give a film group parenthesies with permission

1431
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 2: to John Carol Lynch, Millie said he was so good

1432
01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 2: as Lee Allen that she finds it hard to see

1433
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 2: him as any but creepy. But he was so good

1434
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 2: in this film and in his other roles, many of

1435
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 2: them evil baddies, that I understand where she's coming from. However,

1436
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 2: I had the chance to meet him at an HBO

1437
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 2: screening of From the Earth to the Moon back in

1438
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, and he was extremely nice, good humored,

1439
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 2: and down to earth. I remember him as an extremely

1440
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 2: upbeat guy. Now that was nearly thirty years ago, but

1441
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 2: still in many ways he's to me like Tony Goldwin

1442
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 2: is to Casey. Just wanted to pass it along, Leela.

1443
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 2: Isn't that nice?

1444
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 1: Of course? Leela, thank you very much for saying that.

1445
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean, because when it comes down to it. I

1446
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 1: find that a lot of times the actors that have

1447
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: played these like really hardcore, like villain type of roles

1448
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 1: are in real life nothing but like baby Koala bears.

1449
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: They're just like the sweetest, cutest people in the world,

1450
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 1: and they just actually, I gotta be honest, I love

1451
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: that shit. Like I feel like it's great when you

1452
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 1: find out that somebody who plays like the fucking like

1453
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 1: head of the Cusa or something is like slicing people's throats,

1454
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 1: is like just like the sweetest, most gentlest you know,

1455
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 1: grandpa or whatever. You know. I love that narrative. So

1456
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm glad to know that he seemed cool and down

1457
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 1: to earth, because I mean, I'm not saying that he's not.

1458
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: I just was like, he is so incredibly effective in

1459
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 1: Zodiac that it I kind of think that way about

1460
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,759
Speaker 1: Anthony Hopkins too, and Silence of the Lambs, Like he's

1461
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,600
Speaker 1: so good as head of a lecture that it's like

1462
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: I can't even accept that he's in fucking Howard z

1463
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: end or.

1464
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 2: Whatever ye so remains of the day. Yeah, uh yeah,

1465
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 2: that's great. Thank you, Lel. What a great letter. Yeah,

1466
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 2: appreciate that, all right, Milly, I have a voicemail for you.

1467
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 3: Let's go and Casey. This is Valerie from Atlanta, Georgia.

1468
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 3: I am wondering what, in your mind truly brings a

1469
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 3: difference between what makes it a TV show a TV

1470
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 3: show versus a movie a movie. I've heard you both

1471
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 3: recommend short independent films that are like around an hour

1472
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 3: or less, and I'm thinking about episodes like in the

1473
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 3: series Black Mirror, where they're kind of self contained within

1474
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 3: like an hour timeframe, or maybe even like the Twilight Zone.

1475
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 3: But what to you is the difference between a TV

1476
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 3: show and a movie? Thanks so much, love the show.

1477
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 2: An interesting question, incial thoughts, Millie.

1478
01:25:54,200 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 1: It is confusing at this point because of streaming and

1479
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: how a lot of filmmakers have gone to the streaming

1480
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 1: world to make series right, and also how a lot

1481
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 1: of movies that appear on streaming sometimes feel more like

1482
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 1: TV because of the nature of watching it on a

1483
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 1: TV versus they don't get theatrical releases right. Because in

1484
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 1: my mind, you know, obviously, I think in this podcast

1485
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: we're sinophiles. We've been for a long time. You know,

1486
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 1: I can't easily break the notion that a movie is

1487
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: a movie because it's theatrical and shows up in movie theaters,

1488
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: and that a TV show is primarily on my TV

1489
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:44,719
Speaker 1: and not in movie theater. Does that make sense?

1490
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:45,759
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1491
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 1: However, yeah, all that's gotten super complicated. I mean, I

1492
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:56,799
Speaker 1: feel like time is probably the only real indicator, meaning

1493
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: a movie is in the region of an hour to

1494
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 1: three hours type of thing, I mean, just generally, and

1495
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:10,640
Speaker 1: then a TV show has multiple parts. I don't know,

1496
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 1: is it am I being stupid or am I I

1497
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 1: don't know.

1498
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 2: I think it's a difficult question, and it has gotten

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Speaker 2: more complicated, like you said, because of streaming. I think

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Speaker 2: for the longest time, I think the only separation between

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01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 2: a movie and a TV show was time, like you

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01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 2: were saying, and TV shows used to be in a

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01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 2: way that like I mean, the difference is you get

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01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 2: to stay with the characters for longer. So sometimes people

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01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 2: compare TV to a book more than a movie because

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01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 2: you get to spend so much time with these characters.

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01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 2: But I think what's been happening lately, which is really confusing,

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01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 2: is that there's a lot of these like short season

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01:27:56,280 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 2: kind of mini series shows, like all the like premiere

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01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 2: television shows like we're watching Pluribus right now, which is

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01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 2: nine episodes and I'm only four episodes in, but I

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01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 2: was like, this should have been a movie because like half,

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01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 2: like half of the episodes we watched, nothing really happens right,

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01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 2: Whereas like in movies, now, when you watch a movie,

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01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 2: it feels like there's much more urgency to get the

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01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 2: whole story, get the whole arc in a certain amount

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01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 2: of time, where now TV shows really take their time

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01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:33,600
Speaker 2: to kind of like meander through these worlds and with

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01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 2: these characters. They're not in any sort of rush, and

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01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 2: I feel like TV used to be in more of

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01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 2: a rush. There used to be more of an arc

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01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 2: for each episode. I mean, it's still I feel like

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01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 2: there used to be like a beginning, middle, and end

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01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 2: of TV shows, like each episode was its own thing,

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01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 2: whereas now they all kind of like mesh together, and

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01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 2: these nine episodes sort of mini series. TV shows just

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01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: feel like long movies that should have had some of

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01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 2: time cut out of it. Yes, I don't know, I'm

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01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 2: kind of rambling there, but yeah, I don't know. It's

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01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 2: it's it's a complicated question.

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01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think there's obviously sort of like

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01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: academy rules and stuff, like there are Emmy rules and things,

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01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: you know, like these kind of like awards based rules

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01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: for like what can be considered a movie, what can

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01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 1: be considered, you know, as an oscar, you know, in

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01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: the running for the Oscars and Emmys and stuff. But yeah,

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01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 1: I definitely think it's it's gotten a lot more complicated

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01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 1: now than it ever has been. And I think I

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01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: think you're right too. There are certain there's definitely times

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01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: where I watch things and I'm like, shit could have

1541
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:49,639
Speaker 1: been a movie, and vice versa where I think something

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01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 1: could have been a TV show or something, you know.

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01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like like I just watched the

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01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 2: last season A Stranger Things, and there's so much of

1545
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 2: that show where it's like, try to figure this out.

1546
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 2: Oh that didn't work, Let's try this, And I'm like,

1547
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of TV now is built

1548
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 2: in for people to look at their phones while watching

1549
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 2: something because there's just like huge chunks of time where

1550
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 2: like nothing is happening really that doesn't have any sort

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01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 2: of urgency, but you're kind of like you can kind

1552
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 2: of like half pay attention to And so that's why

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01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 2: for now, I feel like television shows feel very different

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01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 2: than movies because you don't have to like actively pay

1555
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 2: attention to them like you do with movies.

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01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I kind of like going back to

1557
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 1: this heated rivalry you think. I mean, I kind of

1558
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 1: wonder that could have probably been a movie, because even

1559
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: though that show is six episodes, they span a lot

1560
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 1: of time, like the whole thing too. And I get

1561
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 1: that it's based on a book too, which just adds

1562
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 1: another layer of complication to it. But I was like,

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01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: in a lot of those episodes, it really was there

1564
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 1: wasn't a shit ton of like plot progression beyond what

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01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 1: was originally a established And I'm like, yeah, imagine if

1566
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: it was just like a two hour movie or like

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01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: an hour thirty seven or something, and then like what

1568
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 1: kind of story could have been told? I mean, I

1569
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 1: don't know. I I know that it's complicated because we

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01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 1: just want people to make their art in a way

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01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 1: that they want to make it.

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01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 2: But yes, yeah, well I think that's the best we're

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01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 2: going to do.

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01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 1: That's it.

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01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 2: That's it, Millie. It's time for employees' picks. Okay, I'll

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01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 2: go first. I'm recommending another Jake Gillenhall vehicle, Jack EG.

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01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 2: I like Jake Jillenhall and my wife is in love

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01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 2: with him. I enjoyed this movie by Danny Velenev from

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01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen called Enemy. Did you ever see this movie?

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01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 3: No?

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01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 1: I did not.

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01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 2: In fact, it's interesting and it's pretty trippy, And basically,

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01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 2: Jake Jollenhall plays a professor and he sees a movie

1584
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 2: where there's a guy that looks exactly like him, exactly

1585
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:09,520
Speaker 2: like him, and he kind of becomes obsessed with finding

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01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 2: this actor and figuring out who he is and how

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01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 2: he's connected to him. And it's good. It's trippy and

1588
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 2: it's weird. So if you want to you know, Donny

1589
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 2: Dark was pretty trippy. It's got Jake John Hall. And

1590
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 2: this was pretty trippy. It's got Jake john Hall. So

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01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 2: I thought it was a good staff pick. And I

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01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:29,440
Speaker 2: enjoyed this movie.

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01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:37,440
Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent. So I'm gonna suggest a movie from twenty

1594
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:41,919
Speaker 1: eleven as my employee pick for this week sort of related.

1595
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 1: It's called We Need to Talk About Kevin. Directed by

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01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:55,719
Speaker 1: Lynn Ramsey. This movie stars Tilda Swinton, who is plays

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01:32:55,760 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: the mother of a son who was played by Ezra

1598
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 1: Miller that is dealing with She's dealing with the idea

1599
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: that her son is basically a psychopath. Because there is

1600
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 1: actually the part of the movie of Donnie Darko that

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01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 1: sort of gets it gets thrown into this big mix

1602
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 1: of ideas, you know that I feel like again sort

1603
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 1: of gets lost in the director's cut because of all

1604
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 1: of the new information, which is that the parents are

1605
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 1: dealing with their son who's taking like medication, he's going

1606
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:38,679
Speaker 1: to like a psychiatrist, and there's that the mother. Donnie

1607
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 1: Darko's mother is played by Mary McDonald from Sneakers, and

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01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 1: she's such an interesting character to me, like one of

1609
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 1: the more interesting moms in all of movies, because she's

1610
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 1: kind of like detached, maybe an alcoholic, but it's sort

1611
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 1: of like concerned, broadly concerned about her son. And there's

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01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: a part where she actually goes into his room and

1613
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: he's basically like, Mom, I'm I'm crazy and she's like,

1614
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: You're not crazy. Like having the conversation of like I'm

1615
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 1: fucked up and having to tell your son you're not

1616
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 1: fucked up, like we love you type of thing. Yeah,

1617
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 1: And that's like a part of the movie that kind

1618
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 1: of it kind of pops back in and out and

1619
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: again that could be its own movie. But I feel

1620
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: like We Need to talk About Kevin is kind of

1621
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 1: that period. It's just kind of like the idea of

1622
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: a family that has a son who is quote unquote crazy,

1623
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 1: fucked up or whatever in their mind and they're just

1624
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 1: trying to like navigate it.

1625
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:47,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, so interesting. I really like that scene in Donny

1626
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:51,479
Speaker 2: Darko where Donnie says to his mom, He's like, what's

1627
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 2: it like having a wacko for a son? Yeah, She's

1628
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 2: like it's great or something like that. It's very sweet,

1629
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 2: a sweet moment. So you're right, that could be. It's

1630
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:03,000
Speaker 2: like own movie, right.

1631
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like it could have been. Plus,

1632
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 1: I I was rocked by We Need to talk About

1633
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 1: Kevin Remimber. When I saw that movie. I was like,

1634
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:12,959
Speaker 1: holy fucking shit, that movie's insane.

1635
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 2: Oh it's deeply upsetting.

1636
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 1: And I love Limn Ramsey's She's incredible.

1637
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 2: So I have not seen Die My Love.

1638
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's like I have it literally on my

1639
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 1: queue on the queue any day.

1640
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 2: Any I think I've seen every one of other of

1641
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 2: her movies though, yeah, I just haven't seen the latest one.

1642
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 2: But I love her Dark Dark Dark. Uh, Well that's

1643
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:43,720
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1644
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,840
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1645
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1654
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Speaker 2: Next week, Millie, are you excited? Have you have you

1659
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 2: seen this movie yet?

1660
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:43,879
Speaker 1: I have not? Actually I have. I bought a ticket

1661
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:45,719
Speaker 1: literally fifteen minutes ago.

1662
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 2: I'm seeing it this Thursday.

1663
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 1: Okay, good?

1664
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 2: Do you want to say? What it is?

1665
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:54,759
Speaker 1: Sure? It is no other choice. The brand New Movie

1666
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 1: by Park Chan Wook and I hear it's good.

1667
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 2: I hear it's good too. This is the director who

1668
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 2: did Old Boy and others.

1669
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 1: It's a decision to leave, which is a great.

1670
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 2: Decision to leave.

1671
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 1: The uh oh and the and the lead actor. Everybody

1672
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 1: will probably know if you watch Squid Game Lee Bung Hun.

1673
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 2: Oh. I didn't realize that.

1674
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the lead of no other choice.

1675
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 2: So that's exciting, very exciting, thrilling. He's also in K

1676
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 2: pop Demon Hunters.

1677
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:38,639
Speaker 1: He is, and I want to say he was in

1678
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 1: g I Joe he was, Yes.

1679
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh but yeah, I'm really excited to watch it.

1680
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 2: I can't wait. All right, Millie, Well, thank you for

1681
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 2: taking us me through the wormhole.

1682
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 1: And uh, thank you. I always love I'd always love

1683
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 1: to talk about a movie that you love so much

1684
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 1: that it made you choose certain things in life.

1685
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,440
Speaker 2: Yes, it affected my life definitely.

1686
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 1: I love it. All right, see you later bye. This

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01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 1: has been an exactly right production hosted by Me Milli

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01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 1: to Cherico and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien.

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01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogal. Our associate producer

1690
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 2: is Christina Chamberlain. Our guest booker is Patrick Cottner and

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01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 2: our artwork is by Vanessa Ilac.

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01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 1: Our incredible theme music is by the best man in

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01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 1: the entire world, The Softies.

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01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 2: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia Hartstark,

1695
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 2: Daniel Kramer and Milli. To Jericho, we love you.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye Beker