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Speaker 1: Three two one zero, all engine running liptof We have

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Speaker 1: a liptoc. Welcome back to the UFO Show. I'm Tie,

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Speaker 1: he is Dan. This is the Solid Verbal. If you've

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Speaker 1: we do a weird thing on this here college football

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Speaker 1: show every Friday where we make it space themed. Dan.

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Speaker 1: We had not we had a two's cruise last year

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Speaker 1: which was nautically themed. Wanted to shift away from that

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Speaker 1: in true magic school bus style and go somewhere new.

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Speaker 1: And so far this season we've been perusing the galaxy, Daniel,

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Speaker 1: seeing what's out there the great unknown.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if this is too much information,

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Speaker 2: but you've been pushing this for a while that twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one you want to do an S and M theme.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's fully appropriate for college football. I

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Speaker 2: I really am.

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Speaker 1: about over the last few weeks.

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Speaker 2: What was our breaking news that was actually breaking news

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Speaker 2: during our preview show? I know it was Tennessee anmbing canceled.

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Speaker 2: Did we also announced LSU Alabama? Was that us who

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Speaker 2: broke this? I think yeah, I think it was us.

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Speaker 2: We had our pipeline of course into ed Orgeron. No,

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Speaker 2: I think I think it was you know, of course

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Speaker 1: Of course. I think it was the Alabama LSU game.

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Speaker 2: That subsequently Maryland Ohio State has been canceled.

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Speaker 1: Georgia Miszoo is also off Georgia Miszoo, right, Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: running joke in the soliverb Slack is that this could

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Speaker 1: maybe be the last week of the college football season.

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Speaker 2: At our current ring, this is okay, So I hope

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Speaker 2: it's not, and it doesn't look like it will be.

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Speaker 2: But when I see people talking about, like, well, how

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Speaker 2: do you reschedule the playoff? How do you push it back?

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Speaker 2: Because then you run into NFL issues, Like, guys, that's

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Speaker 2: that's not the point of twenty twenty. I would argue

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Speaker 2: it's not the point of any year, but especially twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: Like what do we This is not we're we're worrying

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Speaker 2: about mid November. So uh yeah, it definitely a different

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Speaker 2: type of week. And hope everybody is asymptomatic and comes

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Speaker 2: back without any issues. But more SEC games canceled or

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Speaker 2: off or postponed than not. It's not a great look.

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Speaker 1: I saw.

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Speaker 2: This is the quote I saw the SEC Commissioner Greg

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Speaker 2: Sankie is shaken, but not deterred.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, look at that. Look at that.

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Speaker 2: That's a quote, So that was he was deep in

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly shaken Sankie set of recent developments, but not deterred.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he had that planned or is that

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Speaker 1: something that he uses on the regular. Definitely on the regular. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: at this point you have your go tos, like you

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Speaker 1: his He has a fifteen year old who failed an

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Speaker 1: ap BIO test. He's shaken, but he's not deterred. That's

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Speaker 1: really good. That's really good. The SEC, the state of

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Speaker 1: A and M Tennessee, Georgia, MISSOO and Auburn, Mississippi State. That,

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Speaker 1: That's the extent of it. I saw.

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame football was not affected by the crowd rushing.

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Speaker 2: According to Brian Kelly, I don't know about the Notre

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Speaker 2: sure you saw Journey Brown officially retired from football, huge

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm saddened by that. Yeah, you're right, and

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Speaker 1: so adding more complexity to an already disappointing LSU season. Again,

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Speaker 1: a lot of new faces coming off of that campaign

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Speaker 1: grossly underperformed, just not going in a great direction for LSU. No.

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Speaker 2: I did see that urban Meyer was the one it

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Speaker 2: like people say from COVID. And I saw this. I

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Speaker 2: Ohio State Indiana is canceled next week. Now I believe

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Speaker 2: Ohio State Maryland's cancelation was due to a Maryland situation

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Speaker 2: on an Ohio State one. But if Ohio State Indiana

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Speaker 2: Big Ten East because they'd have one fewer cancelation off Indiana,

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to laugh because it's obviously a serious situation.

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Speaker 1: But there is a component to this season across the

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Speaker 1: off the back of a truck. Correct.

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Speaker 2: If Indiana goes undefeated, which I suppose would include wins

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Speaker 2: over Michigan, Penn State, Perdue currently undefeated Perdue old oaken bucket.

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Speaker 2: If Indiana goes undefeated with more wins and is thus

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Speaker 2: of Ohio State. WHOA, how fun with your playoff?

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Speaker 1: Everybody? That? All right? That does it for news? Should

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Speaker 1: we get to our game this evening?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm calling it the Unclustered, But if you can

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Speaker 2: come up with a better name, I'm for you. I'm

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Speaker 1: Now I think unclustered as perfect. Actually, let's do that unclustered,

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Speaker 1: the unclustered Friday Orbit. Today, Dan, we're going to be

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Speaker 1: talking about things called globular clusters. Are we not?

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Speaker 2: We are a globular cluster? Per are good friends at Wikipedia?

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Speaker 2: A spherical collection of stars that orbits a galactic core?

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Speaker 2: What's a galactic core? Unclear to me at this point.

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Speaker 2: I'm only going to deep dive into a Wikipedia that.

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Speaker 1: Idea for call a black hole some sort of other celestial.

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Speaker 2: Body rotational center of the Milky Way galaxy. So whatever

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Speaker 2: them a spherical shape and relatively high stellar density towards

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Speaker 1: So that just looks like a big grouping.

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Speaker 2: I'm a fan of clusters, non covid era clusters of

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Speaker 2: all kinds. Tie, you got a cluster of like peanut

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Speaker 2: a good chocolate cluster there. Love the term cluster F.

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Speaker 1: That's a great one. Well, I was going to say

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Speaker 1: cluster f could be something we use like synonymously with

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Speaker 1: some of these groupings that we've got this evening.

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Speaker 2: Correct, and so what we are doing to uncluster And

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Speaker 2: by the way, our dear dear friend Chaz Messia, who

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Speaker 2: into that.

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Speaker 1: Smoothly to get it. It was it was committed to

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Speaker 1: your bit. You committed to the bit. It was muscle memory.

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Speaker 1: I'm proud of you, Chas Messia.

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Speaker 2: What We'll get to him later, just like we got

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Speaker 2: to our most interesting human of the twentieth century last

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Speaker 2: week near the end.

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Speaker 1: Of the show.

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Speaker 2: Chas Messia. Fascinating dude when it comes to the modern

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Speaker 2: French fathers of astronomy. But what we're doing to uncluster

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Speaker 2: looking at five teams that look to be clustered in

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Speaker 2: we're starting to see everybody beating themselves up in the

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Speaker 2: duty to honor Chaz Messaa once nicknamed the Comet Ferret.

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Speaker 2: The comment is discovering the comet ferret because he would

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Speaker 2: He also crossed over with Halle of Halle's commet Edmund Halle.

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Speaker 2: So that's a nice little like you like your Forrest

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Speaker 2: Gump comparison, Edmund Haley, So, Edmund Haley, I thought it

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Speaker 2: was Halley's comment. Haley's comment, I don't know. Come on, well,

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Speaker 2: we'll have to get we have to get a ruling

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Speaker 2: from dear friend of the show, John. What conference would

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about the middle class of these conferences, right,

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Speaker 1: or what we deem.

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Speaker 2: As the Yeah, it's like a bunch of two and

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The Big twelve to me is the most interesting

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Speaker 1: one because there's it almost feels like everything's the middle

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Speaker 1: there feels like there's a lot of clustering. There's no

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Speaker 2: Ye i'd remove see, I'd say i'd remove Oklahoma, but

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Speaker 2: they've lost to two of these teams, So why would

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Speaker 1: Well, we rememver we played this game. It's impossible. Pit

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Speaker 1: that's it's hard to be worse, right, it's hard to

432
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Speaker 1: be worse, so by default they're a little bit better. Maryland.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of Maryland. I have

434
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Speaker 1: no idea what to make of Maryland. I'm inclined to

435
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Speaker 1: just leave them off this list as well, because Telea

436
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: Tungovi Loola looks pretty good.

437
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: They've won multiple games in a row. They are on

438
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 2: a winning streak. Tie that is a perfect shooting star direction.

439
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: Maryland's off this list, so that leaves us with Michigan State, Michigan,

440
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Speaker 1: and Iowa. Dan right, they have any thoughts, any hot takes.

441
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: Well, Michigan State beat Michigan, so it's hard to argue

442
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 2: that Michigan State is free falling to a more dramatic

443
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: degree than Michigan.

444
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Speaker 1: Michigan State than Michigan.

445
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: Iowa losing to Purdue and Northwestern suddenly look a little

446
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: bit more respectable, though the lows of Iowa on offense

447
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: don't seem to be indicating going in any sort of

448
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: interesting direction, and Michigan State is hard to judge because

449
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: they just hired a new coach and they also beat

450
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: their rival at home. I think I'm inclined to say

451
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: Michigan's on free fall and the team as sending most

452
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: dramatically is Maryland.

453
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Speaker 1: I think I could get behind that. I have real

454
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Speaker 1: problems with the question of who is ascending most rapidly,

455
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 1: But who like of these teams?

456
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: Right is Iowa? So they finished their season scoring a

457
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: ton of points against USC, but also didn't do much

458
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 2: on offense. Last year with a very experienced Nate Stanley

459
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: at quarterback and a very good defense on the other side,

460
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 2: giving them good field position. Michigan had stretches last year

461
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: of impressive offense, but still I assume it was an

462
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: underwhelming effort in terms of what Michigan fans looked at

463
00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: Josh Gattis's first season as and look to be improved

464
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: against Minnesota, but we can now rule on that is

465
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: slightly different than we thought of it early on. Maryland

466
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: scored a ton of points against Minnesota, which is what

467
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: Michigan did one in wonky fashion, and beat a Penn

468
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: State team that is certainly very disappointing, but they have

469
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: less talent than Penn State. The expectations for Maryland relative

470
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: to Penn State were certainly lesser given with the both

471
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Speaker 2: what both teams have on hand and the experience of

472
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: both of those coaching staffs. So I can't imagine whatever

473
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Speaker 2: Maryland finishes, they might lose the rest of their games,

474
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Speaker 2: they might look terrible, But Michigan losing the way that

475
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: they have and Maryland, yes, getting killed by Northwestern is

476
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: not amazing, But relative to the context of both of

477
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: these rosters and situations, I think Maryland's the ascending team.

478
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, what's your case. Are you

479
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: making that it's not Maryland?

480
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: I just have a hard time saying it is because

481
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: my read on them preseason, which feels like an eternity ago,

482
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: was that they were going to be dreadful. Sure, and uh,

483
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's the competition, I don't know, but

484
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: they have not looked dreadful. The offense has been pretty potent,

485
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: even if the defense has been, you know, sort of

486
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: all over the place and seems like they did find

487
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: a quarterback. So it it's.

488
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: If Maryland hero I'll ask you this, I'll phrase it

489
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: this go ahead. If Maryland can score twenty seven points

490
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: against the rest of their schedule, who of these teams?

491
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Speaker 2: Can they beat? Ohio State, No, gonna say no. Michigan State, Yes,

492
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: they can be. Michigan State, Okay, if they score twenty

493
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: seven points. Can they beat Indiana?

494
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

495
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: But that's I think probably not. But it's and it's

496
00:28:52,640 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: in Bloomington, right, Michigan Ooh, probably twenty seven has beaten

497
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: Michigan this year? Yeah, probably another one of these that was, Yeah,

498
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: they lost to Michigan State twenty seven, twenty four, thirty eight,

499
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: twenty one to Indiana. I think with what Michigan's defense

500
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: looks like right now, and you're able to correct things,

501
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: You're able to tweak things, you're able to overhaul things

502
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: to whatever degree during a season, and that game isn't

503
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: ann Arbor. I think it's possible. I think it can

504
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: happen for maybe three point six out of ten times. Okay,

505
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: Michigan's how sloppy Michigan's defense, then Rutgers definitely, And I

506
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: guess the only other case would be like Michigan State

507
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: for beating Michigan, but they lost to Rutgers. They lost

508
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: to another one of these teams, and they looked pretty

509
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: ugly and losing to another one of these teams in Iowa,

510
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: so it's not them. Iowa just feels like they're standing

511
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: pat So I don't know. I think that leaves us

512
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: by default at Maryland.

513
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right again that falling off the

514
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: back of a truck niss part of the season, probably Maryland.

515
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: I can't stress enough that Maryland lost by forty points

516
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: to Northwestern and still feels like the default correct answer

517
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: among these fives just from the depths of where they

518
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: were last year.

519
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: I think that you have to consider that do we

520
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: have any other conferences here, I think these are the

521
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: four main ones. These are the four.

522
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Speaker 2: Do you have any thought do you have any pack

523
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Speaker 2: twelve thoughts about like just in general, not necessarily fully

524
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: related to what we saw from the conference last week,

525
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: especially since we didn't see four teams play, right, but

526
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: do you have any thoughts about teams that you feel

527
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: certain are ascending or in the midst of ascending based

528
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: on off season, based on last season, based on the

529
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: last couple of seasons, and a team or two that

530
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: is descending or that you just like all this team standing, Pat.

531
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Speaker 1: I have a team that I'm not at all confident in,

532
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: but okay, I'd like to muse over the potential that

533
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: they are ascending. And that's Arizona State. So okay, Asu,

534
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: You'll remember go back a couple of years to hire

535
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: Herm Edward. It's a weird presser. It's a weird hire. Frankly, sure,

536
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: and he comes in. He's gonna do weird things and

537
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: restructure the football program. And we all thought jokingly it

538
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: was going to be a disaster. It's not been a disaster,

539
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: it really hasn't. I think Herm's done a good job

540
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: now and as we saw a week ago, like Jane

541
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: Daniels wasn't great as a thrower, but as a runner

542
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: he was really good. They had some I just thought,

543
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: bright spots on offense running the football against Well.

544
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: They legitimately have a quarterback of the future they can

545
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: build around, which is not a thing a lot of

546
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: teams can say.

547
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: So it feels like that component on offense has has

548
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: come along, okay, And you know, I'm intrigued to get

549
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 1: your thoughts as sort of like our Pac twelve guru

550
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: here as to each direction that programs, because if anything

551
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, I would have expected by now, if

552
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, previous assumptions were true, for them to be

553
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: the team floating off in the wrong direction. But if anything,

554
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: it feels like ASU is trending ever so gradually in

555
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: in a good spot, if only because of Jayden Daniels.

556
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: And it seems like, you know, there's been relative stability

557
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: there for two seasons running.

558
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: I don't even think it's just Jayden Daniels. They they

559
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: ran well last week against USC across the board. I

560
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: know they brought in a JC running back. They lose

561
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: Frank Darby early on in that game. Who's supposed to

562
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: be their go to receiver, and I think it's lbs

563
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: Leven Bunkley Shelton. He stepped up, I mean in as

564
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: much as anybody can in a down passing game. Rashad

565
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: White out of the backfield was good. They have guys

566
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: on defense, Chase Lucas feels like he's been making plays

567
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: there for a while. So based on one what ASU

568
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 2: has shown on the field to what they're doing on

569
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: the recruiting trail, they've recruited really well. They've hired some

570
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: younger coaches, especially with southern California connections, to perhaps pick

571
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: off some guys that otherwise would have gone to you know,

572
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: high three stars, four stars, maybe they have gone to

573
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: UCLA or something like that. And the fact remains, you

574
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: look at the rest of that division, Utah doesn't seem

575
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: like they're going in any direction because it feels like

576
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: we just watch the same Utah team every year, a

577
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: really strong defense with solid, if not efficient offenses that

578
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 2: don't fully perform near the end of the year. And

579
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: then Colorado and UCLA are at best holding steady in

580
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: in a not so good place. So relative to what

581
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: surrounds them, I think, yeah, As was definitely moving in

582
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: the right.

583
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: Direction Arizona if we stay in the in the state

584
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: of Arizona. The Wildcats didn't play last week, They're scheduled

585
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: to play this week against USC. I feel like this

586
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: is a program that's been going in the wrong direction

587
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: for a while now, and the move to bring in

588
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: Kevin someone hasn't really changed much of anything. It's kind

589
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: of more the same in Tucson. If you look at

590
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: their projected win probabilities for their remaining five games. We've

591
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: got a loss against USC, a loss against Washington, a

592
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: loss at UCLA, a loss at home against Colorado, and

593
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: then another loss at home to close out the year

594
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: against Arizona State. So at least the efficiency metrics are

595
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: not feeling great about or Arizona. Excuse me, it stands

596
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: to reason again, there's no body of work to go off.

597
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: This is just based on a number of preseason factors,

598
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: at least to the best of anyone's ability. But wow,

599
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: it's not saying much for at least where the computers

600
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: feel the state of the Arizona program is at.

601
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Speaker 2: I'm fascinated because I think you're right, but I'm fascinated

602
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: by Washington right now with a new coach, new offensive coordinator,

603
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: A wide open at the time we're recording this on

604
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: Thursday afternoon Eastern time, A wide open quarterback race who

605
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: I haven't seen who necessarily has the edge there. And

606
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: in Jimmy Lake's first year and first class that he's

607
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: putting together, it's I guess it's not his technical first

608
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: full class. That'll be next year's class. But it seems

609
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: like they've taken a step down recruiting wise and have

610
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: seated a good amount of ground to Oregon on the

611
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: recruiting trail and obviously on the field, losing the last

612
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: couple to the Ducks after looking really strong against Oregon

613
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 2: during those years with Chris Peterson, those two years, one

614
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: of which they went to the playoff and scored seventy

615
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: in the process at odds and I don't know if

616
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: it means they're heading in the wrong direction, But I

617
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: don't think anybody has a really solid read on where

618
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 2: Washington is right now with so much new on offense,

619
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: with the new coaching staff, and it doesn't feel I

620
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: felt like Washington was going to get more buzz under

621
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: Jimmy Lake, like he was going to be doing things

622
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: differently enough that they people are gonna be like, oh,

623
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: you gotta watch these guys and this guy and that guy, and.

624
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: I don't know.

625
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: It feels pretty quiet from a Husky perspective. So one

626
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: of the more fascinating teams, just because there seems to

627
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: be so many unknowns. So I'm hopeful they going in

628
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: upward direction. I don't know beyond the secondary that there

629
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: is a clear indicator that they are so we'll see.

630
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: That to me is fascinating in the Pac twelve. Anyway,

631
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: you want to talk about Chaz Messier before we let

632
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: the good please.

633
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: Please talk to me about Chaz Messier. Please. Okay, I

634
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: was hoping you'd get to this.

635
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: By the way, Chaz MESSI I looked up to confirm

636
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: whether or not he was the father of modern French astronomy.

637
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: Jean Picard, oh tie, Okay, you might recognize that name

638
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: from I guess star Trek, but he came a couple

639
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: centuries before then. But Charles Messier does a lot of

640
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: his work in the seventeen hundreds, he's elected to the

641
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 2: Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences. Is all sorts of places.

642
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: He discovers thirteen comets, tie comet hunter. Yeah, he is

643
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: the comment hunter, the Comet Ferret. He lived to be

644
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: eighty something years old, which is an incredible in the

645
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Speaker 2: eighteenth and nineteenth century. He lived that long eighty six

646
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Speaker 2: years old. And then this was my favorite thing. Did

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Speaker 2: you see the thing I sent you about the Messia Marathon.

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Speaker 2: Did you see that I sent it to you? I

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Speaker 2: sent you a message about the Messia Marathon.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: The Messia Marathon has become somewhat of a rite of

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Speaker 2: passage for amateur astronomers around the world. The goal of

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Speaker 2: it is to see how many of the hundred objects

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Speaker 2: can be of the one hundred objects can be located

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Speaker 2: and viewed in a single night. The Messia Catalog is

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Speaker 2: considered by many to contain the best deep sky objects

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Speaker 2: visible in the northern hemisphere. Wow, it reminds me of

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Speaker 2: the scene in the Social Network where they had like

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Speaker 2: the code off, like oh damn mess Marathon time. And

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Speaker 2: that's what budding astronomers do when they go. There was

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Speaker 2: a movie with Steve Martin and Jack Black called The

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Speaker 2: Big ar Okay, where they try to see how many

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Speaker 2: birds they could see in like a year. It's like

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Speaker 2: a whole thing. Apparently it's a real thing. It reminds

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Speaker 2: me of that. Okay, I like that the objects you've

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Speaker 2: got M one through M one to ten.

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Speaker 1: I love M ninety three. Is that real? Is that true?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: This guy accomplished the met the ferret tie. He was

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Speaker 2: in the French Navy. This guy accomplished I want to

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Speaker 2: read more about Chas Messier. This kind of thing does

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Speaker 2: it for me? People that just accomplish a ton that

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Speaker 2: are the modern father of something. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: chance we have to become the modern fathers of something?

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Speaker 1: Are we? Would you let's let's take a moment. Are

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Speaker 1: we the modern fathers of college football podcasting? Uh? I

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Speaker 1: guess we would be.

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Speaker 2: Based on more time than content or both correct on

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Speaker 2: both fronts. Yeah, I remember in the bleachers Michael Felder

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Speaker 2: was podcasting real early on right.

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Speaker 1: He was one of the first. Yeah, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: think which other ones were out there. We started this

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Speaker 1: show in two thousand and eight, Yeah, and there were

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Speaker 1: there were a couple shows that came around. I remember Michael.

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Speaker 1: Michael was one of our first guests on the show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I think you're right about that. I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say yes. I'm gonna say yes. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's anything to brag about. It's not all

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Speaker 1: the point of fact.

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Speaker 2: Now, we were just dumb enough to start doing this

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Speaker 2: early on, and I don't think we ever put a

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Speaker 2: guest on speakerphone.

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Speaker 1: So that's the feather in our cap. That's all I have.

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Speaker 1: Time unclustered, particularly crowded regions of the sky, namely the

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Speaker 1: Virgo Cluster and the Milky Ways Galactic Center can prove

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Speaker 1: to be challenging to an observer as well, and a

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Speaker 1: Messia marathon will generally budget time for those regions. Accordingly,

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Speaker 1: why FYI case you're wondering how they handle the Virgo Cluster.

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Speaker 2: He's got a crater on the Moon. The lunar crater

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Speaker 2: Messia and the asteroid seventy three F Messia were named

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Speaker 2: in his honor.

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Speaker 1: See having a creator named after you on the Moon.

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Speaker 1: It's like that's big Time's that's huge. That's the cardboard

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Speaker 1: cutout in the empty stadium on mega ultrasteroids right there.

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Speaker 2: Chaz's interest in astronomy was stimulated by the appearance of

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Speaker 2: the Great six tailed Comet of seventeen forty four six

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Speaker 2: tails I'm looking at it right now and it looks

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Speaker 2: rad as hell.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody painted it in the mid eighteenth century.

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Speaker 1: That looks like scataicle. Wow yeah, Well this has been

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Speaker 1: something solid. Verbal dot com is the website. Don't forget

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Speaker 1: to subscribe to the show if you haven't already going

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Speaker 1: out to verballers dot com if you want to check

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Speaker 1: out what we offer on the Patreon. Got all sorts

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Speaker 1: of excitement coming up there, and of course give us

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Speaker 1: call four oh eight Verbal one. It is a weird

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Speaker 1: week of college football games given circumstances, but as always,

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Speaker 1: we're going to get your calls. We're going to mash

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Speaker 1: them together. We're going to put them into a spot.

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Speaker 1: We like to call it the Reverbs. It's a hit.

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Speaker 1: Everybody listens for it, and we do too. We have

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun putting these together and having a

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Speaker 1: chance to interact with folks each and every week. So

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Speaker 1: it gives a call four oh eight Verbal one. Four

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Speaker 1: oh eight eight three seven two two five one.

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Speaker 2: Dan.

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Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated. I'm still on Messier.

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Speaker 2: I'm always fascinated by somebody in like the seventeen hundreds

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Speaker 2: or eighteen hundreds that modern medicine seems like a nightmare, right,

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Speaker 2: You're talking about leeches and blood letting and no knowledge

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Speaker 2: of the human body in any sort of meaningful way,

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Speaker 2: and the towns are dirty, and there's no irrigation places

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Speaker 2: and running water. All these things are just it's so

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Speaker 2: it feels so primitive. And they're throwing poop on the

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Speaker 2: streets out the window. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's true.

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Speaker 2: And then Chas Messier is drawing the orian Nebula. Like

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Speaker 2: the fascination I have is with certain people who are

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Speaker 2: just like doing great things with seemingly again primitive things

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Speaker 2: happening all over all around them. I'm struggling to make

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Speaker 2: a college football comparison to that. I'm sure somebody listening can.

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Speaker 2: But that's that's my goal right now, is to think

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Speaker 2: about who is doing advanced things while everybody else around

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Speaker 2: them is just like, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know, what if we have fish suck out our blood

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Speaker 1: something like that that I love. It does look check,

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Speaker 1: it does look as if that was beautiful, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It does look as if the Hubbles based telescope also

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Speaker 1: captured a commet with six tails, damn see in twenty thirteen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a thing.

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Speaker 2: All right, we got to stop talking about messaa at

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Speaker 2: least into microphones.

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Speaker 1: We can carry this on into a into like the

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Speaker 1: discord Chat, discord Chat or Bruine, which we're going to

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Speaker 1: take care of it. Oh that's true. Available to Patreon subscribers.

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Speaker 1: Look everyone out there, have a happy, have a safe,

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Speaker 1: have a fun weekend. Watch that college football. Give us

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Speaker 1: a holler again. Four wad verbal one. Hit us up

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Speaker 1: on social, drop us an email Sliverbal at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: We will be back this weekend to recap all the

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Speaker 1: action that was in the meantime for that guy over there,

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Speaker 1: my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for my self, Tie Hildebrand.

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Speaker 1: Talk to y'all, students, Stay solid. Peace,